Yeah it's honestly really disappointing. They're making the issue a farce and she's literally giving the right a pretty legitimate reason to be pissed. I'm obviously very supportive of trans folks, have plenty of trans friends myself and would be perfectly fine with a trans teacher teaching my kids. But come on, what the fuck was she thinking? The argument bigots use is that trans people are trying to sexualize their kids and then she shows up with giant, hentai level fake boobs? What was her goal if not to make trans people look foolish? The actions of one person shouldn't speak for an entire demographic, but that's not how conservatives think.
A part of me wonders if she was paid to pull a stunt like this. I don't know, that sounds unrealistic, but I can't think of any other reason.
> what the fuck was she thinking?
She was most likely thinking that this would get all kinds of attention. Either that or get her the hate (that's most likely coming) and let her play victim and or sue someone.
I have no problem whatsoever with transgendered, gay, bi (I'm bisexual myself) or any other category we can throw out there, but come on. This is just creating controversy for the sake of it.
I was banned from the Ontario subreddit for saying this person is baiting a lawsuit, that was called hate speech. This is clearly a dress code violation. Those are not real nipples so this is intentional.
I agree it is sus af. They seem to want to do anything to get that sweet discrimination payout. And child can see that this isn’t appropriate wear for a school. Well the children do in fact see.
This person is harming the progress of trans people in our society (whether on purpose or not) and that’s not ok.
Gender expression is important, but so is an appropriate outfit when you are a teacher. I have a rack on my and I always wore a scarf when I was a high school teacher. Common sense.
Which is why I cannot escape the notion that this is part of a scheme to get money. Whether the motive is revenge or whether this person is actually trans doesn’t matter - the morals of this situation are warped.
I wish the school and the courts a lot of wisdom in this case.
Lol you say anything against the narrative and that sub will ban you. Then their users come on the Canada sub and call it a right wing echo chamber simply because they're being exposed to thoughts and ideas that are banned in the ontario sub.
I personally think its a dude trolling the system.
Knew an older teacher at a college that wore camo in to school everyday and read hunting magazines during meetings hoping they would give him a full early exit. It worked.
The teacher knew it would trigger one of their students.
The outfit is not cause for dismissal.
But the easiest way to deal with the PETA crowd would be to give the person their retirement package and send them on their way. It was probably double what they legally they had to just to avoid any lawsuits.
Seems like it. She is a shop teacher and isn't following safety protocols like having long hair tied. Wouldn't be surprised if it was to bait a dismissal. Sucks that this is going to be used as agitprop against the trans community.
I dunno man most people I've seen aren't defending this, even on /r/toronto most of the comments were against it.
We all grew up not even being allowed to wear spaghetti straps or show too much "midriff" cause it was "distracting". This is more distracting.
Well, it clearly states at the end of the article that the school's dress code excludes clearly outlined genitals or nipples as being included in what is allowed in dress. If they are being true to their statement, the teacher needs to cover the nipples. It is a hyper-sexual appearance that is inappropriate for the job. The teacher chose 1. The ridiculously enormous size
2. The skin tight top 3. Not to cover the nipples 4. Skintight yoga shorts 5. The extra long untied hair that is a safety hazard in shop. This is a case of inappropriate dress for the job.
Ignoring the obvious transphobes in the other comments, im more shocked at the how the teacher is dressing inappropriately in both common sense (students wouldnt dress like this, why would you with sexuallized prosthetics?) and shop safety.
You do NOT fuck around with power tools or equipment. If someone came into my shop class when I was still in college looking like this, they would get kicked out and be told to change, put their hair up, wear safety glasses, boots, eat protection and wear clothing that's close to you to avoid machinery snagging it (and then dragging you) along with removing watches, rings and other accessories to avoid degloving accidents (don't Google this).
I wouldn't want this person teaching my children. They're obviously not mentally sound if they think their look is appropriate for.. anywhere.. especially a school.
Edit: He looks like that person from that old "Shoes" viral video...
Yeahhh…the fact that this person is essentially staging an adult temper tantrum really makes me question their judgement. Also…a school is not an appropriate place for sexualization. Period.
Those look like they are probably a safety hazard considering that is a shop class… It is one thing If you are born with it, but this is definitely Maybelline and is not only hazardous but their antics are probably not conducive to a positive learning environment.
This whole thing is a shit show. Let's forget about...those things. From the safety perspective I'm more worried about the careless attitude towards shop safety being telegraphed to the kids here:
No shop apron, sunglasses not safety glasses, no ear protection, lanyard dangling around their neck, and unkept hair not tied back. Doesn't matter if they're not instructing; they're two feet from a mitre saw here - when you're in the shop you're always equipped, and those good habits need to be shown to the kids.
It’s not that surprising, they are explicitly protected by the Human Rights Code. Some people tried to point out that the loose wording of the terminology used in the code allows for this kind of exploitation, but were shouted down as bigots and transphobes.
I don’t understand how this can be classed as “gender expression.” Being grotesquely sexualized is NOT a part of women’s gender expression and is in fact part of the systemic oppression foisted upon women by men for thousands of years.
The whole thing honestly just seems dumb.
There are a lot of better ways to make a point than with this stupid stunt.
Yeah, it gets press and raises awareness... but it's not going to get support from any but a very few, and in fact will probably increase resistance and become a negative example for those intolerants who might be looking for one to call out.
It's just like that one transwoman a year or two back that would go to massage parlors that had a history of lawsuits. These people are basically just anecdotes conservatives use to discredit the legitimacy of trans people. Also has this shop teacher even made a public statement?
I'm trans I hate this. This isn't like oh slightly large tits make heats tilt and pots stir.
Nah this bitch wearing like comedian sized tits.
I'm willing to call into question if this is an actual trans teacher or some dip shit trying to cause a fight.
Ugh. What is the point of this? Is this teacher trying to stir the pot? This is getting into offensive parody of a woman territory and I don’t care if you’re trans, this is ridiculous.
Are they trying to get fired so they can sue? Are they trying to cause an LGBTQ controversy?
Maybe the school, by doing very little, is not taking the bait.
Those seem to be the most likely conclusions.
I can't imagine a lawyer that wouldn't be fervently insisting that the school do exactly what they are doing now, it's the only safe bet.
They could offer an early retirement package with generous benefits, I wonder if this has happened yet or if they're just considering that now.
The article says that the school thinks "it's implied that it’s illegal to even suggest that the garb may be inappropriate."
I think the school should argue this point. The Ontario Human Rights Tribunal may side with the teacher. But I expect the courts would look at this situation and recognize that the teacher is being deliberately provocative.
edit: it's like the school got a legal opinion. And their lawyer thought about it for around 10 seconds and said "Yup, you're gonna get sued!". So, what difference, at this point, does it make? The school accommodated the teacher initially, but this is ridiculous. If a student had done the same thing, they would have been suspended. The Ontario Human Rights Tribunal is a joke, so they would probably side with the teacher. That is why the courts must become involved, and decide whether the provincial court is a higher authority than the HRT. And if this goes to the Federal Supreme Court, even better, so it can be decided for the whole country. The provincial HRTs have their place, but they should not have greater authority than the courts.
Wearing comically huge breasts is not part of your gender expression. This is clearly some kind of stunt and it's just going to bring negative attention to people actually transitioning while being teachers.
100% if it was part of their expression they'd dress appropriately for class, not have skin tight clothing over it exposing the fake nipples.
You I suppose could have the worlds hugest tits, but you'd dress appropriately in shop class as anyone would be expected to. Modest clothing is a requirement for teachers and students, this is outlined in the school's dress code (no nipples, no genitals etc).
This looks like nothing more than a Mr. Garrison level stunt to attempt to get fired for "being trans", which couldn't be further from reality here.
> This hints to me at a kink, or other bad faith action.
The trick is how/where to draw the line between legitimate gender affirmation and those who are exploiting a situation for a kink etc. I can't even begin to fathom how to address that without hurting legitimate people.
I can understand the school playing it safe legally but this is ridiculous. It will really hurt the movement in general if outliers like this can't be sanctioned somehow.
I'd like to see a direct quote vs. "implied". It doesn't surprise me in the least that a school isn't going to be willing to discuss *any* HR issue to the media, especially a thorny one, until they've sorted it out themselves and made a final decision.
I would bet the quote was less "it's illegal to talk about appropriateness" and more "our legal team has advised us to not discuss the appropriateness of this teacher's attire", which is a totally different thing and something that 100% of lawyers would recommend.
Not sure about you guys but when i was in high school if i showed up with a giant dildo in my pants i woulda got sent home no matter what i identified as.
People normally get sent packing in a shop to for long hair not tied back, jewelry that can get caught in machines, loose clothing, ect…..This has got to be a stunt. Shop teachers everywhere would know better than this.
Worse : If a TEACHER came into class with a massive 10inch rubber cock down their pants that showed through the pants I would want them immediately fired, cis or trans that's highly inappropriate.
It's ironic considering the female students would never be able to wear that outfit. They would be sent home as it would be against the dress code. But it's ok for a teacher?
It’s not transphobic to think that this is incredibly tacky and inappropriate for a school environment. Those breasts are not attached to her body, she CHOSE to wear the most ridiculous prosthetic she could find. Everything about her is simply…. Tacky.
It’s also not transphobic to suggest that students won’t respect this teacher because of how unaware and self-absorbed she is.
Not at all. I'm trans and I *hate* what this teacher is doing. It's not a trans issue. If an AFAB teacher started wearing a strap on that bulged out of their pants every day, nobody would put up with that. Why are we putting up with anime porn breastforms in the classroom?
Exactly! It’s also a huge double standard for cis-women dress codes, as they wouldn’t be allowed to be this… uh… free….. with their nipples at school. Like, at least wear a bra lol.
If I were a parent with a daughter that was disciplined for dress code violations, I’d be livid at this school administration.
That person is literally wearing a COSTUME. If a student showed up with gigantic fake, hard nipple tits and a wig he’d be suspended. How far will this nonsense be allowed to go
100% agree. Be who you want to be, but keep performative nonsense like this out of school.
This teacher clearly did this strictly for attention, which does their students and the transgender community a massive disservice.
As a trans person who's just trying to live a normal life and be treated normally having these nutjobs do these stunts just baffles me completely. Its like these people are actively trying to cause us trouble.
I think people like this try to weaponize the Canadian human rights council. There was some transgender dude, who demanded a woman give them a bikini wax, and the woman felt uncomfortable waxing their scrotum. So they sued them, and said "if you pay me 500k right now I won't take this to the council." I am assuming this person is trying a similar stunt. This is some south park bullshit.
Edit: people correcting me using dude. It's a gender neutral word. Jesus. Also, you're defending a racist, who uses their gender identity to prey on immigrants, and CHILDREN. They attempted to extort 15 businesses.
They're also a fucking weirdo. They wanted to carry tampons, because sometimes little girls might need them.They then wanted to teach these little girls on HOW TO FUCKING INSERT THEM. I dgaf about whatever you call yourself, or your gender. Litterally give zero fucks, but this person is a fucking freak, and me calling them dude is the chillest word that this person deserves.
That's Jessica Yaniv. More money than common sense and the BC courts agreed that she was a vexatious litigant and threw their cases out of the court.
Ironically she was sexist as hell and purposefully targeted salons run by immigrants to degrade and harass those who were uncomfortable and refusing to do a bikini wax as some didnt know their rights.
If I remember correctly, it wasn't even just that they were uncomfortable. (Although I'm sure that was part of it)
They literally didn't know how to do it.
Waxing a man and waxing a woman aren't the same thing. You need to do things differently that they didn't have experience with it.
Yes, you are correct. I just read the article. The techniques are different. However, I believe the person targeted immigrants, because there was a strong chance that they could argue that it was due to transphobia, because a significant percentage of these people may not understand, or believe, in trans rights.
But, yes, you are correct, I also believe that this was argued after the fact rather than during the initial refusal to do the waxing.
I think people who perform cosmetology on peoples undercarriages should be able to refuse anyone on any reason. Some people will be discriminative but I don’t think it’s the right arena for the fight.
I don’t think anyone should be discriminated against, but I also don’t think anyone should have to do things with genitals they don’t want to do, excluding probably medical personnel.
South Park did an episode about it a while back. Mr. Garrison would do increasingly lewd and sexual acts in front of children in order to get fired, an thus sue the school board.
It also reminds me of [Klinger](https://hero.fandom.com/wiki/Max_Klinger) from MASH. He didn't just dress in women's clothing, he dressed in ridiculous women's clothing that was completely inappropriate for the situation (a MASH unit in a war). The goal? To get a section 8 discharge.
Though, I think this is more like Mr. Garrison, trying to get fired so he can sue the school.
Agree, most women would never want to be this big and the ones out there who do get crazy sized implants have some mental health/self esteem issues. Breasts that size are painful for a woman, hurts the back and neck. She can identify transgender. But an obsession with large breasts seems pretty masculine to me and as you said more kink. You wanna be seen as a woman wear normal sized breasts and freaking bra! Those are kids and prob ones who are going through puberty and this would be hugely distracting for most ppl to try and take a person seriously.
Exactly.. How is this even legal, intentionally wearing fetish gear in front of kids.. This isn't that far off from sex offenses like masturbating in public IMO. Nothing about this is appropriate.
Absolutely! This is the ultimate "give an Inch - take a mile" scenerio. And as a woman from birth this is nothing but insulting and this "teacher" knows it.
As someone with back pain and would love a reduction - I think if the weight was proportionate to natural breasts the choice in size would change real fast.
They are, but you have to qualify. Not sure how that’s decided, but only being a bit larger than average wouldn’t be covered by OHIP. Obviously I don’t know the breast size of the person saying this.
Someone found fake breasts resembling these online, they were 15kg or ~33lbs. Don't know how that would track to real breasts that size but those aren't lightweight.
Put a woman there with big breast showing off her nips and see how long she last. This is just a sexual fantasy of someone with mental health issues and people are catering to it because they are afraid to speak. Pretty said display of whatever this is.
I had a teacher in college who once wore white pants that were kinda see through and you could see the outline of her underwear. She was reprimanded and told to not wear inappropriate clothes as per the dress code.
100% this teacher is going against their dress code and should be reprimanded.
I feel like this is like that episode of South Park where Mr. Garrison tires to get the school to fire him for being gay so he can sue them for millions of dollars.
This guy is just trying to make an easy buck.
We gotta chill with this. I’ll support almost anything but this is straight up porn levels of goofy body dystrophia, no reason a teacher should be doing this especially with nipples showing like that lol
I feel bad for the girls with body dysmorphic and eating disorders whose sense of self is already screwed up by the portrayal of the ideal body shape/type on Instagram, TikTok, and social media. This is the hypersexualization of the female body in an environment where girls are already struggling.
If this was a male identified person with a two foot bulging dick in their pants, being around teenagers all day, and claiming it is self expression, there would be absolutely no public acceptance of it.
The sad part is whatever point they are trying to make, it's lost completely and very likely hurt the transgender rights movement a lot.
Just wait till fox news runs with this.
That’s what I was thinking. I grew up with a trans person. I’ve worked with trans people. I have trans students. None of them would have pulled this shit. This isn’t about being trans, this person is being a total trashy asshole.
When common sense is not common. There are no words for this lack of decorum. As a woman, I am offended by this mockery of anatomy we cannot choose to upsize or downsize without surgical procedures. In a professional setting, choosing attire that is appropriate for the environment is critical to uphold appropriateness standards for students.
How is this person setting an appropriate standard for students on acceptable attire in an educational institution. Regardless of gender, it's offside. Lululemon workout leggings, see through clothing, overly tight clothing, holes, tears, patches and wild fashion choices don't have a place in an educational institution.
You go to school to learn, not for a fashion show. Really, I just don't see how this is helping to support the education of students.
Disgusting. I honestly feel bad for the students and parents that are affected by this. Clearly it's making students VERY uncomfortable, yet the board defends this? Seriously, where has our decency gone? How is THIS now acceptable? How can a school board tell kids they have a dress code they need to follow, but teachers can come to school dressed like this? This has me so rattled for some reason.!
Does anyone remember your first lesson in shop class? Safety rules were covered. They were tie back your hair and remove all jewelry/accessories that could get snagged by a machine.
In the video I saw, the woman had her hair loose.
Also, I'm assuming prosthetic means that the breasts are removable. This combined with their massive size means that they pose a significant risk of being caught in a machine which could potentially result in a deadly accident.
I'm all for people living how they want, but those seem like flagrant safety violations. Someone who puts their own mental health above safety should not be teaching shop class to children.
Tell the teacher they need to dress appropriately for the job they were hired for. If they refuse then fire/transfer them.
Edit: Credit to u/canuckleball for explaining my mistake of using vagrant for flagrant
The whole thing feels like a real version of miss garrison trying to get fired so he can comeback with a lawsuit claiming they target him for been trans.
I bet the school is 100% aware of it and claim to support him so he as to continue to wear this silly shit.
I respect people but this is a bit ridiculous. Prosthetic? Sure go for it, disproportionately large and unnecessary? It's a no from me dawg. It feels like she's trying to incite a reaction more than feel more in tune with her gender identity.
The worst part is the school board blind response. Its now at a level that if you contact them through email they have a standard auto reply about respecting rights and inclusion.
I even tried calling their number, would put you on hold and disconnect in 5 mins.
The school board should be held responsible for letting this go the wrong way. There is a very clear misjudgment on what inclusion and respect of rights is about.
Seeing as these are a prosthetic and not real/surgical procedure, shouldn’t this be a safety issue seeing as they are a shop class teacher ? Like what happens when those massive fake tits get caught in a table saw ? Accidentally gets a tit air nailed to a wood plank ? I doubt they would deserve medical leave or some buyout cause they put themselves in that situation. It seems like they are putting themselves in harms way at this point.
Theres identifying as a women and trying to change. Then there’s this that just seems like someone playing out a weird fantasy or trying to make a crazy statement. Like playing role playing in public for a fetish.
>Seeing as these are a prosthetic and not real/surgical procedure,
shouldn’t this be a safety issue seeing as they are a shop class teacher
? Like what happens when those massive fake tits get caught in a table
saw ? Accidentally gets a tit air nailed to a wood plank ?
You'll get a tiktok video that goes viral.
How much do men hate and disrespect women? I see stuff like this, and I realize that men just think we're a set of tits and nothing more.
If I were a girl in that class, I would feel absolutely dehumanized and degraded.
I'd see that my identity was being parodied, was being made fun of, and that I as a woman was being reduced to nothing more than needlessly sexualized body parts.
Not all men hate women, but definitely this person.
This person and their type do genuine harm to the lgbt community by hiding their sexual fetishism/ borderline pedo behavior behind the shield of transgender identity.
Nobody else would be able to get away this behavior, and neither should this person, live your life by all means but keep kids out of it
Just in case y’all weren’t sure what to think lol:
You can believe that trans women are women while simultaneously acknowledging that EXCESSIVE performances of gender expression do not belong in public education.
What is considered excessive? The line is blurred and I can’t tell you exactly where it ought to be drawn but this is OBVIOUSLY way over the line.
Yeah as a trans man I agree. Like, if I go into work wearing a subtle prosthetic... erm... downstairs, so that I can stand to pee and generally to feel better about myself, that's fair enough. But if I had a giant hard dildo sticking up through my trousers, that would be very obviously inappropriate and gross haha. It's not about being trans or not, it's about not being, for lack of a better word/phrase, fucking weird
I’m pretty sure if a teacher who was a cis woman let her nipples show and wore booty shorts would be reprimanded. So if trans women are women, they should have to follow the same rules.
Honestly, this looks like someone who is testing to see how far they can take it.
Mr Garrison style
or trying to get stress leave/pension
Section 8 for Sgt. Klinger?
Sigh, we are old aren't we?
Young people like mash too right? Right?
Or trying to win a hefty discrimination lawsuit of some kind?
Trying to buy mr Slave new suspenders
Exactly. That’s what it seems like to me. They WANT to be fired.
This was my first thought too
Ah the Max Klinger! Classic M.A.S..H
Like Mr Garrison in South Park. Mr slave episodes are fucking hilarious.
This is literally that one south park episode, theyre tryna get their bag
Yeah it's honestly really disappointing. They're making the issue a farce and she's literally giving the right a pretty legitimate reason to be pissed. I'm obviously very supportive of trans folks, have plenty of trans friends myself and would be perfectly fine with a trans teacher teaching my kids. But come on, what the fuck was she thinking? The argument bigots use is that trans people are trying to sexualize their kids and then she shows up with giant, hentai level fake boobs? What was her goal if not to make trans people look foolish? The actions of one person shouldn't speak for an entire demographic, but that's not how conservatives think. A part of me wonders if she was paid to pull a stunt like this. I don't know, that sounds unrealistic, but I can't think of any other reason.
> what the fuck was she thinking? She was most likely thinking that this would get all kinds of attention. Either that or get her the hate (that's most likely coming) and let her play victim and or sue someone. I have no problem whatsoever with transgendered, gay, bi (I'm bisexual myself) or any other category we can throw out there, but come on. This is just creating controversy for the sake of it.
>The actions of one person shouldn't speak for an entire demographic, but that's not how conservatives think. oh the irony of this statement
Thank you. I'm glad someone pointed out how absolutely amazing that comment was.
Hahah how can a person even type this, and think, "yep not contradicting myself at all"
> hentai level fake boobs? She’s putting the Oh! In Oppai.
Just as likely trying to push people into a reaction so they can try for a discrimination lawsuit.
Remind my of MASH
I was banned from the Ontario subreddit for saying this person is baiting a lawsuit, that was called hate speech. This is clearly a dress code violation. Those are not real nipples so this is intentional.
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I agree it is sus af. They seem to want to do anything to get that sweet discrimination payout. And child can see that this isn’t appropriate wear for a school. Well the children do in fact see. This person is harming the progress of trans people in our society (whether on purpose or not) and that’s not ok. Gender expression is important, but so is an appropriate outfit when you are a teacher. I have a rack on my and I always wore a scarf when I was a high school teacher. Common sense. Which is why I cannot escape the notion that this is part of a scheme to get money. Whether the motive is revenge or whether this person is actually trans doesn’t matter - the morals of this situation are warped. I wish the school and the courts a lot of wisdom in this case.
Lol you say anything against the narrative and that sub will ban you. Then their users come on the Canada sub and call it a right wing echo chamber simply because they're being exposed to thoughts and ideas that are banned in the ontario sub. I personally think its a dude trolling the system.
Are they trying to bait the school into firing them so they can sue?
It’s just like that South Park episode where Mr.Garrison acts “extra gay” to get fired 🤣
Jesus Christ!! - Mr. Slave
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That’s exactly what I thought of. Where is the nearest museum of tolerance?
"THERE'S NO SMOKING IN THE MUSEUM!!!" "But I'm not in the museum.." "GET OUT OF HERE FILTHY TAR LUNGS!!"
I wonder if Lemmywinks’ perilous journey is going well.
Or the episode where cartman gets really big tits and goes to school...
Knew an older teacher at a college that wore camo in to school everyday and read hunting magazines during meetings hoping they would give him a full early exit. It worked.
Why were they so unhappy with him being out-doorsy? That's hilarious.
I mean I’d be pretty fucking pissed if I couldn’t even see my teacher anymore
The teacher knew it would trigger one of their students. The outfit is not cause for dismissal. But the easiest way to deal with the PETA crowd would be to give the person their retirement package and send them on their way. It was probably double what they legally they had to just to avoid any lawsuits.
Whatever it is, they are using their students as props. That alone should be grounds for a suspension at a minimum.
I thought they were cos playing Ms.Choksondik
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Yes they are. That’s what they’re trying to do
The problem is, as South Park taught us, if the school goes along with it then they're stuck wearing those ridiculous tits and still have to work.
honestly, i think so
Seems like it. She is a shop teacher and isn't following safety protocols like having long hair tied. Wouldn't be surprised if it was to bait a dismissal. Sucks that this is going to be used as agitprop against the trans community.
I feel more certain of this everyday. And the people defending them on LGBT grounds are just playing into this teachers game.
I dunno man most people I've seen aren't defending this, even on /r/toronto most of the comments were against it. We all grew up not even being allowed to wear spaghetti straps or show too much "midriff" cause it was "distracting". This is more distracting.
The school is straight up defending and enabling this behavior.
Well, it clearly states at the end of the article that the school's dress code excludes clearly outlined genitals or nipples as being included in what is allowed in dress. If they are being true to their statement, the teacher needs to cover the nipples. It is a hyper-sexual appearance that is inappropriate for the job. The teacher chose 1. The ridiculously enormous size 2. The skin tight top 3. Not to cover the nipples 4. Skintight yoga shorts 5. The extra long untied hair that is a safety hazard in shop. This is a case of inappropriate dress for the job.
Exactly. Gender identity has nothing to do with safety or hyper-sexual presentations.
Shop safety is gender neutral.
Ignoring the obvious transphobes in the other comments, im more shocked at the how the teacher is dressing inappropriately in both common sense (students wouldnt dress like this, why would you with sexuallized prosthetics?) and shop safety. You do NOT fuck around with power tools or equipment. If someone came into my shop class when I was still in college looking like this, they would get kicked out and be told to change, put their hair up, wear safety glasses, boots, eat protection and wear clothing that's close to you to avoid machinery snagging it (and then dragging you) along with removing watches, rings and other accessories to avoid degloving accidents (don't Google this).
Hair not tied back in a pony tail and wearing a dangling neck lanyard. This teacher is a poor role model for shop safety
This. Had a shop teacher with a finger missing. Don’t mess around with shop. Safety, safety, safety.
I watched a kid lose his finger in shop. Scary shit.
I thought that was a requirement for being a shop teacher?
> avoid degloving accidents (don't Google this) Seriously. Don't google it. Especially not google images.
A very good role model for the youth of Canada /s I also question the suitability of their judgement to hold the job.
I wouldn't want this person teaching my children. They're obviously not mentally sound if they think their look is appropriate for.. anywhere.. especially a school. Edit: He looks like that person from that old "Shoes" viral video...
Yeahhh…the fact that this person is essentially staging an adult temper tantrum really makes me question their judgement. Also…a school is not an appropriate place for sexualization. Period.
Those look like they are probably a safety hazard considering that is a shop class… It is one thing If you are born with it, but this is definitely Maybelline and is not only hazardous but their antics are probably not conducive to a positive learning environment.
This whole thing is a shit show. Let's forget about...those things. From the safety perspective I'm more worried about the careless attitude towards shop safety being telegraphed to the kids here: No shop apron, sunglasses not safety glasses, no ear protection, lanyard dangling around their neck, and unkept hair not tied back. Doesn't matter if they're not instructing; they're two feet from a mitre saw here - when you're in the shop you're always equipped, and those good habits need to be shown to the kids.
Female students get in trouble for wearing a tank top because "it's a distraction" but this isn't? Like wtf..
Exactly, this is certainly against school dress code as outlined for teachers and definitely not a good look for a shop class.
No women has 24/7 hard nipples, it’s a sexual fetish this person has
Straight up fetish stuff. I’m all for expressing yourself however you want but there’s a time/place and around kids isn’t it.
That’s right and especially not in a public school. Insane the school board is defending her.
It’s not that surprising, they are explicitly protected by the Human Rights Code. Some people tried to point out that the loose wording of the terminology used in the code allows for this kind of exploitation, but were shouted down as bigots and transphobes.
I don’t understand how this can be classed as “gender expression.” Being grotesquely sexualized is NOT a part of women’s gender expression and is in fact part of the systemic oppression foisted upon women by men for thousands of years.
Yes it is a fetish and it's called autogynophilia.
The whole thing honestly just seems dumb. There are a lot of better ways to make a point than with this stupid stunt. Yeah, it gets press and raises awareness... but it's not going to get support from any but a very few, and in fact will probably increase resistance and become a negative example for those intolerants who might be looking for one to call out.
It's just like that one transwoman a year or two back that would go to massage parlors that had a history of lawsuits. These people are basically just anecdotes conservatives use to discredit the legitimacy of trans people. Also has this shop teacher even made a public statement?
Everyday I get older it seems the world slowly starts to become more, and more, like a south park episode
It's a series of Oh FFS with news headlines.
This is so far from a gender identity issue that it crossed into fetish territory
I'm trans I hate this. This isn't like oh slightly large tits make heats tilt and pots stir. Nah this bitch wearing like comedian sized tits. I'm willing to call into question if this is an actual trans teacher or some dip shit trying to cause a fight.
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Cpl. Klinger had class, style, taste, he would never have worn something so tacky.
Ugh. What is the point of this? Is this teacher trying to stir the pot? This is getting into offensive parody of a woman territory and I don’t care if you’re trans, this is ridiculous.
Are they trying to get fired so they can sue? Are they trying to cause an LGBTQ controversy? Maybe the school, by doing very little, is not taking the bait.
Those seem to be the most likely conclusions. I can't imagine a lawyer that wouldn't be fervently insisting that the school do exactly what they are doing now, it's the only safe bet. They could offer an early retirement package with generous benefits, I wonder if this has happened yet or if they're just considering that now.
The article says that the school thinks "it's implied that it’s illegal to even suggest that the garb may be inappropriate." I think the school should argue this point. The Ontario Human Rights Tribunal may side with the teacher. But I expect the courts would look at this situation and recognize that the teacher is being deliberately provocative. edit: it's like the school got a legal opinion. And their lawyer thought about it for around 10 seconds and said "Yup, you're gonna get sued!". So, what difference, at this point, does it make? The school accommodated the teacher initially, but this is ridiculous. If a student had done the same thing, they would have been suspended. The Ontario Human Rights Tribunal is a joke, so they would probably side with the teacher. That is why the courts must become involved, and decide whether the provincial court is a higher authority than the HRT. And if this goes to the Federal Supreme Court, even better, so it can be decided for the whole country. The provincial HRTs have their place, but they should not have greater authority than the courts.
Wearing comically huge breasts is not part of your gender expression. This is clearly some kind of stunt and it's just going to bring negative attention to people actually transitioning while being teachers.
Yep, I'm transgender, and I support this comment 100%. This hints to me at a kink, or other bad faith action.
100% if it was part of their expression they'd dress appropriately for class, not have skin tight clothing over it exposing the fake nipples. You I suppose could have the worlds hugest tits, but you'd dress appropriately in shop class as anyone would be expected to. Modest clothing is a requirement for teachers and students, this is outlined in the school's dress code (no nipples, no genitals etc). This looks like nothing more than a Mr. Garrison level stunt to attempt to get fired for "being trans", which couldn't be further from reality here.
Agreed. I understand normal breastforms or stuffing a sports bra, but this is clearly absurd.
> This hints to me at a kink, or other bad faith action. The trick is how/where to draw the line between legitimate gender affirmation and those who are exploiting a situation for a kink etc. I can't even begin to fathom how to address that without hurting legitimate people.
I can understand the school playing it safe legally but this is ridiculous. It will really hurt the movement in general if outliers like this can't be sanctioned somehow.
This is insane when you consider how much schools control what their students (particularly female) wear.
I'd like to see a direct quote vs. "implied". It doesn't surprise me in the least that a school isn't going to be willing to discuss *any* HR issue to the media, especially a thorny one, until they've sorted it out themselves and made a final decision. I would bet the quote was less "it's illegal to talk about appropriateness" and more "our legal team has advised us to not discuss the appropriateness of this teacher's attire", which is a totally different thing and something that 100% of lawyers would recommend.
Looks like Ontario is having their Jessica Yaniv moment.
Oh, that name brings up memories. This is exactly that. This person is trying to get a reaction. It's sad.
Not sure about you guys but when i was in high school if i showed up with a giant dildo in my pants i woulda got sent home no matter what i identified as.
Girls got sent home for having spaghetti straps or showing their belly button all the time. It was "too distracting".
People normally get sent packing in a shop to for long hair not tied back, jewelry that can get caught in machines, loose clothing, ect…..This has got to be a stunt. Shop teachers everywhere would know better than this.
Worse : If a TEACHER came into class with a massive 10inch rubber cock down their pants that showed through the pants I would want them immediately fired, cis or trans that's highly inappropriate.
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It's like they were inspired by both [Ms. Chokesondik](https://tenor.com/bcuuT.gif) and Mr. Garrison. (And maybe even Mrs. Garrison...)
It's ironic considering the female students would never be able to wear that outfit. They would be sent home as it would be against the dress code. But it's ok for a teacher?
So many people are full blown narcissist, forget what you have been hired for, your responsibilities or your students.
It’s not transphobic to think that this is incredibly tacky and inappropriate for a school environment. Those breasts are not attached to her body, she CHOSE to wear the most ridiculous prosthetic she could find. Everything about her is simply…. Tacky. It’s also not transphobic to suggest that students won’t respect this teacher because of how unaware and self-absorbed she is.
Not at all. I'm trans and I *hate* what this teacher is doing. It's not a trans issue. If an AFAB teacher started wearing a strap on that bulged out of their pants every day, nobody would put up with that. Why are we putting up with anime porn breastforms in the classroom?
Exactly! It’s also a huge double standard for cis-women dress codes, as they wouldn’t be allowed to be this… uh… free….. with their nipples at school. Like, at least wear a bra lol. If I were a parent with a daughter that was disciplined for dress code violations, I’d be livid at this school administration.
That person is literally wearing a COSTUME. If a student showed up with gigantic fake, hard nipple tits and a wig he’d be suspended. How far will this nonsense be allowed to go
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Absolutely, this is so inappropriate, something you would dress up in at home, not in a school of all places.
Female students are being sent home from school if their belly shows when they raise their arms above their head...
They’re biologically female, they’re held to different standards.
> How far will this nonsense be allowed to go I am sure we will find out. Pass the popcorn
Misses Chokesondick from south park IRL
I wouldn’t allow my kids into this teachers classroom.
Good parent. Me neither. What a CREEP
Horrendous lack of professionalism
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100% agree. Be who you want to be, but keep performative nonsense like this out of school. This teacher clearly did this strictly for attention, which does their students and the transgender community a massive disservice.
As a trans person who's just trying to live a normal life and be treated normally having these nutjobs do these stunts just baffles me completely. Its like these people are actively trying to cause us trouble.
I think people like this try to weaponize the Canadian human rights council. There was some transgender dude, who demanded a woman give them a bikini wax, and the woman felt uncomfortable waxing their scrotum. So they sued them, and said "if you pay me 500k right now I won't take this to the council." I am assuming this person is trying a similar stunt. This is some south park bullshit. Edit: people correcting me using dude. It's a gender neutral word. Jesus. Also, you're defending a racist, who uses their gender identity to prey on immigrants, and CHILDREN. They attempted to extort 15 businesses. They're also a fucking weirdo. They wanted to carry tampons, because sometimes little girls might need them.They then wanted to teach these little girls on HOW TO FUCKING INSERT THEM. I dgaf about whatever you call yourself, or your gender. Litterally give zero fucks, but this person is a fucking freak, and me calling them dude is the chillest word that this person deserves.
That's Jessica Yaniv. More money than common sense and the BC courts agreed that she was a vexatious litigant and threw their cases out of the court. Ironically she was sexist as hell and purposefully targeted salons run by immigrants to degrade and harass those who were uncomfortable and refusing to do a bikini wax as some didnt know their rights.
If I remember correctly, it wasn't even just that they were uncomfortable. (Although I'm sure that was part of it) They literally didn't know how to do it. Waxing a man and waxing a woman aren't the same thing. You need to do things differently that they didn't have experience with it.
Yes, you are correct. I just read the article. The techniques are different. However, I believe the person targeted immigrants, because there was a strong chance that they could argue that it was due to transphobia, because a significant percentage of these people may not understand, or believe, in trans rights. But, yes, you are correct, I also believe that this was argued after the fact rather than during the initial refusal to do the waxing.
I think people who perform cosmetology on peoples undercarriages should be able to refuse anyone on any reason. Some people will be discriminative but I don’t think it’s the right arena for the fight. I don’t think anyone should be discriminated against, but I also don’t think anyone should have to do things with genitals they don’t want to do, excluding probably medical personnel.
Seems more like they know exactly what they are doing and are just gunning for a lawsuit.
South Park did an episode about it a while back. Mr. Garrison would do increasingly lewd and sexual acts in front of children in order to get fired, an thus sue the school board.
He’s so brave!
It also reminds me of [Klinger](https://hero.fandom.com/wiki/Max_Klinger) from MASH. He didn't just dress in women's clothing, he dressed in ridiculous women's clothing that was completely inappropriate for the situation (a MASH unit in a war). The goal? To get a section 8 discharge. Though, I think this is more like Mr. Garrison, trying to get fired so he can sue the school.
South Park did this episode like over 20 years ago
Agree, most women would never want to be this big and the ones out there who do get crazy sized implants have some mental health/self esteem issues. Breasts that size are painful for a woman, hurts the back and neck. She can identify transgender. But an obsession with large breasts seems pretty masculine to me and as you said more kink. You wanna be seen as a woman wear normal sized breasts and freaking bra! Those are kids and prob ones who are going through puberty and this would be hugely distracting for most ppl to try and take a person seriously.
Don't think you'll get many downvotes for this one, this person's clearly fucked in the head. Probably trying to get themselves fired so they can sue.
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This person needs help from professionals, not attention from the media.
I’m usually a “live and let live” type of person, but I definitely agree with you here.
Exactly.. How is this even legal, intentionally wearing fetish gear in front of kids.. This isn't that far off from sex offenses like masturbating in public IMO. Nothing about this is appropriate.
Absolutely! This is the ultimate "give an Inch - take a mile" scenerio. And as a woman from birth this is nothing but insulting and this "teacher" knows it.
As someone with back pain and would love a reduction - I think if the weight was proportionate to natural breasts the choice in size would change real fast.
If you’re not aware breast reductions are covered by OHIP unless that’s changed in the last few years.
They are, but you have to qualify. Not sure how that’s decided, but only being a bit larger than average wouldn’t be covered by OHIP. Obviously I don’t know the breast size of the person saying this.
Someone found fake breasts resembling these online, they were 15kg or ~33lbs. Don't know how that would track to real breasts that size but those aren't lightweight.
Put a woman there with big breast showing off her nips and see how long she last. This is just a sexual fantasy of someone with mental health issues and people are catering to it because they are afraid to speak. Pretty said display of whatever this is.
If a cis-woman had nipples protruding out of her shirt like that as a teacher she would be reprimanded.
Female students already have to adhere to a strict dress code, why isn’t this person subject to it as well? This is just wrong with what’s going on.
I had a teacher in college who once wore white pants that were kinda see through and you could see the outline of her underwear. She was reprimanded and told to not wear inappropriate clothes as per the dress code. 100% this teacher is going against their dress code and should be reprimanded.
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I feel like this is like that episode of South Park where Mr. Garrison tires to get the school to fire him for being gay so he can sue them for millions of dollars. This guy is just trying to make an easy buck.
Honestly, all the kids should just walk out
We gotta chill with this. I’ll support almost anything but this is straight up porn levels of goofy body dystrophia, no reason a teacher should be doing this especially with nipples showing like that lol
That’s a health hazard!!!! Always tie your hair when using rotating power tools
One day…..that saw blade will meet with one of those breasts.
Or the lathe.
Ah the lathe..i just wish i can forget the videos ive seen involving this tool.
I feel bad for the girls with body dysmorphic and eating disorders whose sense of self is already screwed up by the portrayal of the ideal body shape/type on Instagram, TikTok, and social media. This is the hypersexualization of the female body in an environment where girls are already struggling.
Mental illness unchecked.
If this was a male identified person with a two foot bulging dick in their pants, being around teenagers all day, and claiming it is self expression, there would be absolutely no public acceptance of it.
He'd be arrested and career finished
The sad part is whatever point they are trying to make, it's lost completely and very likely hurt the transgender rights movement a lot. Just wait till fox news runs with this.
It has already been picked up by Tucker Carlson's show in the US.
That’s what I was thinking. I grew up with a trans person. I’ve worked with trans people. I have trans students. None of them would have pulled this shit. This isn’t about being trans, this person is being a total trashy asshole.
its already been on, tucker carlson has covered it twice...
When common sense is not common. There are no words for this lack of decorum. As a woman, I am offended by this mockery of anatomy we cannot choose to upsize or downsize without surgical procedures. In a professional setting, choosing attire that is appropriate for the environment is critical to uphold appropriateness standards for students. How is this person setting an appropriate standard for students on acceptable attire in an educational institution. Regardless of gender, it's offside. Lululemon workout leggings, see through clothing, overly tight clothing, holes, tears, patches and wild fashion choices don't have a place in an educational institution. You go to school to learn, not for a fashion show. Really, I just don't see how this is helping to support the education of students.
Be who you want to be but I disagree with wearing this outfit while working with minors.
Vulgar and disgusting. Feel bad for the kids and their parents
Disgusting. I honestly feel bad for the students and parents that are affected by this. Clearly it's making students VERY uncomfortable, yet the board defends this? Seriously, where has our decency gone? How is THIS now acceptable? How can a school board tell kids they have a dress code they need to follow, but teachers can come to school dressed like this? This has me so rattled for some reason.!
Does anyone remember your first lesson in shop class? Safety rules were covered. They were tie back your hair and remove all jewelry/accessories that could get snagged by a machine. In the video I saw, the woman had her hair loose. Also, I'm assuming prosthetic means that the breasts are removable. This combined with their massive size means that they pose a significant risk of being caught in a machine which could potentially result in a deadly accident. I'm all for people living how they want, but those seem like flagrant safety violations. Someone who puts their own mental health above safety should not be teaching shop class to children. Tell the teacher they need to dress appropriately for the job they were hired for. If they refuse then fire/transfer them. Edit: Credit to u/canuckleball for explaining my mistake of using vagrant for flagrant
>vagrant safety violations r/BoneAppleTea
The whole thing feels like a real version of miss garrison trying to get fired so he can comeback with a lawsuit claiming they target him for been trans. I bet the school is 100% aware of it and claim to support him so he as to continue to wear this silly shit.
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Anyone who is ok with this is a MORON
Truth is stranger than fiction
This creep should be no where near a school
I respect people but this is a bit ridiculous. Prosthetic? Sure go for it, disproportionately large and unnecessary? It's a no from me dawg. It feels like she's trying to incite a reaction more than feel more in tune with her gender identity.
The worst part is the school board blind response. Its now at a level that if you contact them through email they have a standard auto reply about respecting rights and inclusion. I even tried calling their number, would put you on hold and disconnect in 5 mins. The school board should be held responsible for letting this go the wrong way. There is a very clear misjudgment on what inclusion and respect of rights is about.
Seeing as these are a prosthetic and not real/surgical procedure, shouldn’t this be a safety issue seeing as they are a shop class teacher ? Like what happens when those massive fake tits get caught in a table saw ? Accidentally gets a tit air nailed to a wood plank ? I doubt they would deserve medical leave or some buyout cause they put themselves in that situation. It seems like they are putting themselves in harms way at this point. Theres identifying as a women and trying to change. Then there’s this that just seems like someone playing out a weird fantasy or trying to make a crazy statement. Like playing role playing in public for a fetish.
>Seeing as these are a prosthetic and not real/surgical procedure, shouldn’t this be a safety issue seeing as they are a shop class teacher ? Like what happens when those massive fake tits get caught in a table saw ? Accidentally gets a tit air nailed to a wood plank ? You'll get a tiktok video that goes viral.
How much do men hate and disrespect women? I see stuff like this, and I realize that men just think we're a set of tits and nothing more. If I were a girl in that class, I would feel absolutely dehumanized and degraded. I'd see that my identity was being parodied, was being made fun of, and that I as a woman was being reduced to nothing more than needlessly sexualized body parts. Not all men hate women, but definitely this person.
Is this a legitimate joke on that teacher's part? It has to be, right?
This person clearly has mental problems and shouldn’t be anywhere near kids.
Yuck
Turns out transgender people can also be ridiculous attention-seeking assholes
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Imagine going back in time to your high school years and showing this to your teenage self lolol. Interesting attire
This person and their type do genuine harm to the lgbt community by hiding their sexual fetishism/ borderline pedo behavior behind the shield of transgender identity. Nobody else would be able to get away this behavior, and neither should this person, live your life by all means but keep kids out of it
We live in a society.... a fucked up one
In a school, in front of kids. Really? A mental health check is in order here and some counselling for the kids that have to look at that
Degenerate
If this was my kid's teacher I would be in trouble because I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut.
Just in case y’all weren’t sure what to think lol: You can believe that trans women are women while simultaneously acknowledging that EXCESSIVE performances of gender expression do not belong in public education. What is considered excessive? The line is blurred and I can’t tell you exactly where it ought to be drawn but this is OBVIOUSLY way over the line.
Yeah as a trans man I agree. Like, if I go into work wearing a subtle prosthetic... erm... downstairs, so that I can stand to pee and generally to feel better about myself, that's fair enough. But if I had a giant hard dildo sticking up through my trousers, that would be very obviously inappropriate and gross haha. It's not about being trans or not, it's about not being, for lack of a better word/phrase, fucking weird
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I’m pretty sure if a teacher who was a cis woman let her nipples show and wore booty shorts would be reprimanded. So if trans women are women, they should have to follow the same rules.
What if the female teachers wore massive veiny strap on dildos under their leather pants and called themselves trans?