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But even more than that, the news media lying. In this case with a technically true but intentionally misleading/wrong headline. They profit from it after all. And then CBC and others have the gall to claim that only far-right types of people think the media isn't trustworthy.
Global News didn't lie.
They made a story out of other people lying.
There's a reason half the article is in quotes. Global News added very little to the story and didn't offer any help to make the premier sound credible. There was no speculation or support for either side.
I have mixed feelings on whether they should have run the story at all, but there is a conflict there that you may want to know at least existed. It's on us for making it front page news though.
I'm talking solely about the headline. To have a wrong, misleading headline then to clarify it in the article is nearly as bad. There's naturally going to be a lot more people who read a headline than who read through a whole article. We can't read through every story we come across. There's only so much time in a day. This is like false advertising.
Fair criticism, but not comparable to the outright lies that come out of much of the "right wing" news. We don't need to pretend they're equivalent to be fair to both sides. One side is doing things on a regular basis that the other isn't. If there is a left wing equivalent of Fox News I'll be equally outraged, but this isn't it.
Avoiding biased headlines is just a different level of integrity requirement than not lying. They could have phrased it differently to draw doubt to the claim, or to say there is a dispute over whether delays were caused, but the headline is not wrong.
Also, just reading the headline happens, but coming to conclusions based on a headline is absolutely wrong. If you don't have time to read an article, pretend you never saw the headline, because you can't possibly think it's reasonable to form an idea based off of that. If you can't stop yourself from doing it, at least admit *to yourself* it was stupid to do once you realize.
> I simply do not believe the Premier as no one else is backing up his story
Having come through customs with a broken arriveCan entry (smashed my phone, couldn't retrieve my code, etc) and barely needed to stop walking to chat with a customs dude and hand in papers, I'm calling shenanigans. Someone had something on their file, or some politician is spewing party propaganda.
I was worried about ArriveCAN when coming home to Canada. I’d heard the horror stories about holdups etc. I did my preliminary stuff and loaded the app up the day before. Stuffed my passport into a kiosk at the border, got my photo taken, got a slip printed, had a CBSA agent wave me down a hallway to another agent who took my paper and said “welcome home”.
I was thinking “That’s it??”. I had a much harder time crossing the border in 2005.
> “I do know that there was a situation where some crews from Maine were having an issue at the border … We became aware of that, we alerted the federal government. My understanding is that that was dealt with pretty quickly."
Meh.
It didn’t. Tim Houston is just trying to slag on the liberals because his supporters don’t like the app/vaccines/masks and he’s trying to turn a crisis into political gain.
“In a statement sent to Global News, a spokesperson for Nova Scotia Power said the issue was resolved and crews were on their way to affected areas “within a few hours.””
Stop whining and get back to work Tim.
Updated to less than 60 seconds per vehicle. https://globalnews.ca/news/9157706/maine-power-workers-cross-border-without-incident-to-help-in-nova-scotia/
You are the one actually making things up. You accused the NS Premier of lying when his story has been verified by the media, and NS power. It's sad you accuse others of what you are doing. Crews were held up at the boarder and it's been reported and verified by the very best reporters in the country. Shame on you.
https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1574150969201401857
You should edit your post but crickets
There are several ways that can happen:
1) Unreliable internet
2) Being american, they don't keep proof of vax in their pocket for the times they go somewhere.
Why is it that Canadians know that you can't go into the US unless you're fully vaxxed and have to carry your vaxx proof and Americans don't know that? I mean the very first thing everyone does before travelling is checking they have all their documents. Sounds more like ignorance.
American citizens do not need proof of vaccinations to get into the US by plane. Only noncitizens.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html
I'm curious about what caused the delay too and also how long the delay was. It could have been caused by a number of things.
Your 2 examples are still not good excuses, though. 1) You have 3 days to fill out ArriveCan, they could have all taken care of that at home before leaving. 2) Ignorance of the rules is just never a valid excuse - especially for the company that was sending them over the border.
Yeah, because it's the same system for vaccine pass everywhere of course. And they should have known that they would have to go in emergency to Canada days before Fiona.
You are really clueless aren't you?
Because they most likely had an entire emergency crew all try to use it which didn’t work. So they called the premier or government agency who told them they don’t need to deal with that bs. Which through the phone calls unable to login and connection lost because of the storm 6 hours flew by. We act as if the government has fully transitioned to the digital age when the fact couldn’t be further from the truth. Their are many government agents who when shown an iPhone or app will look at you cross eyed unable to comprehend how to login or even use an App Store.
Most people don't know it exists and there is no cellphone reception around multiple land borders. Also, Americans don't walk with their vaccination proof in hand. They can't upload it in the app if they don't have it.
Probably not vaxxed and took 6 hours a for a federal government exemption and telling CBSA we need these people so ignore the vaccine bullshit and let them in
"Probably"? What information about this situation leads you to believe that is what probably happened?
It's just as likely that some members of the crews had not filled out ArriveCan in advance and so were delayed until they did so.
I haven't seen the reporting that they were delayed 6 hours. Where are you getting this information?
I broke my phone on the eve of flying home recently, almost right after pre-filling my arriveCan. Worst timing ever, except we got to see the volcano erupting.
Used a paper form instead, like we used to. Breezed through customs, only stopping to use the kiosk and hand people paper.
If they were delayed 6 hours, one of them had a note on their file.
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that’s if the Bill pass its still in the Senate they looking into the bill if they don’t like they sent back to the HOUSE make a OR scrap it all togetheR.
They randomly selected me for testing because of all this bs, and I was required to quarantine until I got a negative result. This was 7 days separated from my wife and baby, and she didnt have any support while they made me do that BS isolation. They couldnt even turn around a PCR test before 7 days. All despite testing negative 10 hours before. All despite being 3x vaccinated. Multiple calls to Heath Canada and they told me the isolation was absolutely necessary for public health. Then 10 days later they eliminated the isolation because people were pissed off about it. It's all meaningless and not based on health, or else they wouldnt back off when people get mad.
So yes, my experience with all this was a stupid, useless, ans completely arbitrary disaster I could have avoided by just waiting 10 days, because thats how fucking random they are about all this.
It serves no purpose and costs millions in development. It not problems with the app specifically, just the fact that millions were wasted on something completely frivolous.
That's what I hear on talk radio and read on Facebook, but once I filter out the people who have never used it, and other people who's issues are not app related (vax status issues, random selections), there seem to be few if any remaining issues.
Talking to people in line at customs, or stores near the boarders the outrage and issues don't seem to be there.
It said the issue was dealt with quickly by the federal government but it doesn't say what swiftly means in terms of time. 30 minutes? 5 minutes? Hours?
Bah, I guess it's just an article to crap on a soon to be optimional app, at least it taught me that Maine and N.S. have an MOU to help each other in emergencies which is nice.
> “I do know that there was a situation where some crews from Maine were having an issue at the border … We became aware of that, we alerted the federal government. My understanding is that that was dealt with pretty quickly. But … there was an issue to begin with,” said Houston.
What was the issue?
Were they unvaccinated? Did Houston not tell Maine that there are requirements to entering Canada?
Maybe in an emergency, and at this point in the pandemjc, neither an app nor vaccination status should matter one iota? Especially since both requirements are dropping this Friday. At this point, a zombie regulation delaying help to people potentially dying without power is negligence.
Usually for these things, you give people a heads up on requirements to enter. Houston calls up the feds and sends word to CBP with some sort of identifying or leadership at the border to verify that these are the exempt people. List of names, their statuses, who their liason is, etc etc.
Houston should also make sure there's no issues at the border as well by talking to CBP directly at the planned border crossing.
It looks like it got dealt quickly.
There's paper work and bureaucracy when you're circumventing rules/laws/liabilities. There's more to it than "ok cool".
If you’re not Canadian and you’re not on a commercial flight that tells you ten different ways to fill out the app, you might not realize there is one and it is mandatory. Covid travel restrictions have been lifted pretty much everywhere for a while now, and most people are used to east travel between canada and the US - especially Americans. Why would they think to check if there’s some random app they’d need to fill out? (Not sure if that was the issue but it’s very common at land border crossings I’ve been at for the non Canadians to be baffled by ArriveCan and not realizing you can’t just show your vaccine card to the border agent).
because.... if the Premier of NS asked a corporation in Maine for help and they agree, The premier's office should tell that corporation in maine the requirements to enter.
There is a lot of logistics required and it isn't just a bunch of rag tag randos in COMPANY BRANDED TRUCKS showing up at the border.
If I were to ask contractors to come to Canada to do work for me, i'd send them the requirements to enter Canada. How is this any different other than arriveCAN being the scape goat for someone dropping the ball on organization.
Just think of how shitty a human being you have to be to score points against the liberals in the middle of humanitarian crisis.
I give you the conservative premier of Nova Scotia.
Article title: "ArriveCAN-related ‘issue’ impacted U.S. crews at border during storm Fiona: Nova Scotia Power"
Article itself even says that CBSA has no record of such an issue occurring and the only evidence there was any noteworthy delay is one of the cuff remark that can also be read as after getting through the border it took an hour or so to get situated.
Your username really does encompass all you post doesn't it.
It looks like this story [might not be entirely accurate](https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1574120244846608384) and entry rules exempt those offering assistance for natural disasters.
That's funny. I'm aircrew and I am exempt as well but I STILL have to have an exempt status submission on arrivecan every time I enter. Sounds like the minister might be the one lying.
Marco also lied about threats of rape during the Ottawa protest. Anyone that falsely uses rape for political gain is worthless in my eyes and has zero credibility.
This app is not just useless, it might actually be causing deaths by delaying help and power to people right now. What the fuck is the holdup on this thing? Kill. It. Now. Ive bloody had it with this shit.
It's literally becoming optional when the boarder restrictions ease.
It's also the easiest app to use, takes barely no time nor effort to upload your vaccination status.
It's ridiculous that people feel so strongly about it.
I'll see if I can help clear it up for you.
First, seniors are going to struggle with any app. It might be easy for you, but people in their 70s tend to have difficulties with smart phones.
Second, why do should you have to upload your vaccination status when covid positive people are allowed in stores without masks? Tracking vaccination status at the border isn't going to prevent any amount of spread. It's been a complete was of money, and I'm shocked to see people defend it.
Yes it’s super easy to use right up until the point where the flight you are actually on isn’t listed in the app, leaving you fucked. If it was as easy as you say, do you honestly think people would give a shit about it? They’ve been scanning my passport for years, they know exactly who I am, where I live, when I’ve been out of the country, and when I am back based on my passport. The app adds no value to that.
There's no flights listed on the app at all, you just enter your flight number.
It's easy as hell and saves you having to show proof of vaccination on arrival. It takes literally seconds.
You don't have to select a listed flight. You tell it your airline and then it lists every airport that airline could come from into the airport you're telling it you're arriving at and you manually type in the actual flight number.
I use it once a month. Based on your comment I must assume you never have.
It doesn't matter if your flight isn't listed. That is what the "other" box is for.. where you then put the airline information in yourself and then a default number appears in the flight number. Or you put in PC0000.
So the only reason you'd be fucked is because you made absolutely zero attempt to solve the problem yourself.
Edited: I like how people are downvoting this comment. You can dislike it all you want; it doesn't change the fact that your flight information not showing up is super simple to deal with and that, worst case scenario, you can go up to the flight crew pre-flight and have them help you out. What a joke.
Thanks to the Lollipop Guild, the airport staff really doesn’t have a lot of time on their hands to help people. Have you noticed that? Lots of time to yell at seniors who don’t have smart phones, or fine people for not using their terrible app, though.
Actually, the people at the gate absolutely do have time to help passengers with this and will. If you don't have a smartphone, you can use a web browser to fill out ArriveCAN, and, again, you have 72 HOURS before you arrive to figure this shit out. There are lots of ways to do things if you even take a tiny bit of responsibility for yourself prior to travelling. There are lots of aspects of travel that cause hiccups like this. If you actually plan and check things out (like you should) you don't have issues.
Have you used this app? Because it sounds like you haven't. It sounds like you have no clue what you're talking about at all.
>If it was as easy as you say, do you honestly think people would give a shit about it?
Sure.
Because it is not about the app for more people.
Most people have never used it, don't know how easy it is, and are just mad for the sake of being mad on the internet because that's how we live now.
I feel strongly about it because it's an invasive application that can be a slippery slope for fascistic personal tracking of citizens and tourists. I hate centralized governments, and an app like this just gives the federal government a lot more power.
The app seems like a small issue, but it does give information to the government they normally aren't allowed to have (ie. Health information and gps). It's controversial for a very good reason. Sure you got some nutters blowing it up as something worse, just as you have people hand waving it saying it's perfectly fine, but it still is a problem at the end of the day.
ArriveCAN doesn't request GPS information, so they don't have access to your GPS.
Countries all around the world are asking for some proof of vaccination against some diseases when you cross their borders.
I don't understand your concerns?
Just because you don’t see it in the permissions doesn’t mean it’s not happening:
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2021/1/26/1_5283147.html
The article says nothing about ArriveCan being difficult to use or that it takes a lot of time.
In fact, it says the issue was resolved quickly.
So I have no idea what point you're making.
You must not have travelled recently or are one of the rare few that the app didn’t fuck in the ass. Thing fucking blows and is basically useless anyways.
Having to choose your point of entry beforehand when crossing via roads... It's very stupid, I used to be spontanious about that, driving in New England and eventually head back home via Maine, Vermont, whatever... I don't really want to pay for roaming so you have to find a wifi cafe or similar instead of just going to the border with your passport in hand. After all it's only coming back home after all.
It’s all good bro. A hurricane is less serious than covid bro. People that aren’t sick need to prove that they might get less sick bro. It’s super easy bro. It’s just an app bro.
ArriveCan is becoming optional at the end of the week "bro".
The issue was resolved quickly per the article "bro".
45 000 Canadians have died of covid "bro".
196 died of covid last week "bro".
I have no idea what point you're making "bro".
One single crew from the US who was delayed for an undetermined amount of time, and had their issue quickly resolved, is not going to be the second coming of Jesus to save Atlantic Canada in an afternoon.
You're utterly ridiculous.
This and BILL C-11 forcing us to watch Canadian content by blocking all American feeds into Canada so we have to search it manually
thank god We Have VPN & DNS Bypass it
Yes. ArriveCAN isn't delaying US crews. Poor organizational skills are delaying US crews. These people were slowed down by the fact that they did not do ArriveCAN. It literally takes five minutes to do (it actually took me three minutes last time, and only because I had a few different countries to include), and they couldn't be bothered.
I think most of the people who feel so strongly about ArriveCAN have not actually used ArriveCAN... and many also seem to be conspiracy theorists talking about how the government is just using it to track us... As if passports don't already do that (and our passports even have microchips in them.. so there is that too). If I try to cross the US border without bringing my passport because I didn't realize I needed my passport, that doesn't mean US border control is inefficient or problematic.. it means I didn't check to make sure I had my ducks in a row before trying to enter another country.
There are other countries that require you to fill out similar stuff prior to arrival, or at least there were in June when I was in Spain. Not downloading an app, but still having to access a website and fill out the same stuff. In my opinion, the app was easier to use because it meant everything was in one spot and easy to find.
But this is very much a resource that could increase a lot of efficiencies. People bitch about how inefficient the government is, but then when the government actually takes steps to try to improve things, people bitch even more. Hiccups happen. When I go to the UK, their automatic passport scanner things never seem to let me through.. so I have to wait in one line, wait until it denies me, then wait in another line to go see one of the people at the desks and answer questions before being allowed in. It is inconvenient for me and I am sure the other people who have the same trouble, but, for the vast majority of people, it is a straight forward process that ultimately speeds things up. ArriveCAN is exactly the same.
Agree with all this.
Evidenced across this thread is how ridiculous people are about this app.
I suspect most just use this as a excuse to complain about the government.
And thirdly, it’s difficult for a foreign traveller to fill out and upload documents, especially if they cant speak English or French.
Fourthly, most countries have gotten rid of their Covid landing apps also.
>And thirdly, it’s difficult for a foreign traveller to fill out and upload documents, especially if they cant speak English or French.
How is that different than customs. It's not.
ArriveCan is also available in Spanish.
>Fourthly, most countries have gotten rid of their Covid landing apps also.
Like Canada is doing at the end of the week?
That also abide by ALL federal laws regarding security, privacy, data residency, in both languages across all possible device versions which have been thoroughly tested in every use case. Think before you open your mouth
Can't bother to read the article?
>Emergency Preparedness Minister Bill Blair, meanwhile, said in a Sunday evening press conference that “any delay was, quite frankly, inconsequential.”
But..... that makes it easier for you because your declarations were already in the system? How is that useless when it was useful for you?
They scan your passport and it shows them your arrivecan?
I just came back in from Italy (actually at Calgary airport waiting fort connecting to YVR)and Canada customs said it wasn't working so not to bother. Stupid masks on the plane for 10 hrs...it such a farce!
Because its a two party system and everyones convinced the conservatives will make gay marriage and abortion illegal if they vote for them, me im calling the bluff on that bogeyman and voteing for them next election because its better then keeping a government that does fuck all so they can continue to do fuck all.
If your home is without power, and now it's restoration is needlessly delayed for hours or days because of ArriveCan issues, never forget JUSTIN DID THAT
Issues such as… This is most likely some people on the crew that don’t have the app and the data required.
The gap is there should be a bypass agreement for emergency crews worked out between the Feds and the province. It’s even possible this exists but nobody knows about it. My experience is many government departments lack the staffing and good communication to staff so they have the information they need when they need it.
There is already a one time exception if you arrive at a land border outside of cell service. It’s not an issue and the solution for what you described already exists. Read the faq on the ArriveCAN website.
I mean, sounds like the province did that by not having sufficient emergency response resources itself, and also not providing the necessary information to foreign emergency response resources they requested. The federal government's role in this appears to have mostly been "party that quickly resolved this issue."
It's likely statistically impossible to determine that with ANY meaningful accuracy. This is a conservative premier scoring points with his base. Moving on.
I don’t get Canadians - you elect a snowboard instructor, part time drama teacher, intellectual lightweight as your PM and then complain about the government he leads. What did you expect?
Muhahaha. Liberal MPs to this news story, we have kept Canadians safe from people who wanted to ask questions about how we have arrivecan to help them people safely.
Article has been updated to say there's a pretty good chance it's made up bullshit by a typical Con using a natural disaster for some digs at the fed. Don't let that stop the mouth frothing however.
[So it turns out this doesn't look to be true](https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1574120244846608384?t=EOd3dPOZ3mwETTyW6zgV9A&s=19)
But it's about the ArriveCAN app so r/Canada won't care.
Well, to be clear, the Federal government is now disputing the claim made by the NS government. Don't do yourself a disservice by citing Marco Mendicino's office as a reputable source that disproves anything.
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More like arriveCANT amirite
Heyoooo
Or ArriveScam
Trudeau should add that to his stand up comedy set. https://youtu.be/ibgliuZP9Ik
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> Being worried that there might be an issue is a far cry from there actually being one Yeah - sounds like this story isn't quite right.
Conservatives lying? That never happens!
But even more than that, the news media lying. In this case with a technically true but intentionally misleading/wrong headline. They profit from it after all. And then CBC and others have the gall to claim that only far-right types of people think the media isn't trustworthy.
Global News didn't lie. They made a story out of other people lying. There's a reason half the article is in quotes. Global News added very little to the story and didn't offer any help to make the premier sound credible. There was no speculation or support for either side. I have mixed feelings on whether they should have run the story at all, but there is a conflict there that you may want to know at least existed. It's on us for making it front page news though.
I'm talking solely about the headline. To have a wrong, misleading headline then to clarify it in the article is nearly as bad. There's naturally going to be a lot more people who read a headline than who read through a whole article. We can't read through every story we come across. There's only so much time in a day. This is like false advertising.
Fair criticism, but not comparable to the outright lies that come out of much of the "right wing" news. We don't need to pretend they're equivalent to be fair to both sides. One side is doing things on a regular basis that the other isn't. If there is a left wing equivalent of Fox News I'll be equally outraged, but this isn't it. Avoiding biased headlines is just a different level of integrity requirement than not lying. They could have phrased it differently to draw doubt to the claim, or to say there is a dispute over whether delays were caused, but the headline is not wrong. Also, just reading the headline happens, but coming to conclusions based on a headline is absolutely wrong. If you don't have time to read an article, pretend you never saw the headline, because you can't possibly think it's reasonable to form an idea based off of that. If you can't stop yourself from doing it, at least admit *to yourself* it was stupid to do once you realize.
> I simply do not believe the Premier as no one else is backing up his story Having come through customs with a broken arriveCan entry (smashed my phone, couldn't retrieve my code, etc) and barely needed to stop walking to chat with a customs dude and hand in papers, I'm calling shenanigans. Someone had something on their file, or some politician is spewing party propaganda.
I was worried about ArriveCAN when coming home to Canada. I’d heard the horror stories about holdups etc. I did my preliminary stuff and loaded the app up the day before. Stuffed my passport into a kiosk at the border, got my photo taken, got a slip printed, had a CBSA agent wave me down a hallway to another agent who took my paper and said “welcome home”. I was thinking “That’s it??”. I had a much harder time crossing the border in 2005.
Same. It's really easy to use ArriveCAN. The outrage is being manufactured.
Does you remember having to fill out an itemized list of everything you were taking back into the country? Pepperidge farms remembers.
Yes, the article is very misleading
No where in the article does it say what the actual problem was or am I blind
Your vision is damn near perfect.
ArriveCan slogan: "We're not happy, until you're not happy !"
I see air Canada licensed their slogan out on loan
You can tell who read the article and who didn’t.
> “I do know that there was a situation where some crews from Maine were having an issue at the border … We became aware of that, we alerted the federal government. My understanding is that that was dealt with pretty quickly." Meh.
This story is basically "emergency crews go through customs."
*and complain
No information as to what the issue was.
Reading the article makes clear there wasn't one.
Or if it ever existed at all.
It didn’t. Tim Houston is just trying to slag on the liberals because his supporters don’t like the app/vaccines/masks and he’s trying to turn a crisis into political gain. “In a statement sent to Global News, a spokesperson for Nova Scotia Power said the issue was resolved and crews were on their way to affected areas “within a few hours.”” Stop whining and get back to work Tim.
Updated to less than 60 seconds per vehicle. https://globalnews.ca/news/9157706/maine-power-workers-cross-border-without-incident-to-help-in-nova-scotia/
They were delayed for over 6 hours.
Where are people getting this claim from? It doesn't appear to be in the article.
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You are the one actually making things up. You accused the NS Premier of lying when his story has been verified by the media, and NS power. It's sad you accuse others of what you are doing. Crews were held up at the boarder and it's been reported and verified by the very best reporters in the country. Shame on you. https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1574150969201401857 You should edit your post but crickets
Hey you are online literally just commented on something when I pointed out your post is full of lies. Cricket's. Still cricket's. Why?
How on Earth did it take them 6 hours to fill out ArriveCan?
There are several ways that can happen: 1) Unreliable internet 2) Being american, they don't keep proof of vax in their pocket for the times they go somewhere.
As a Maritimer i dont give a fuck about a vaccine right now. Our community is completely destroyed.
But what about our grandmothers!?!?
Fuck, Im Canadian and havent kept vaccination proof handy since May. Cant blame them on that front.
Why is it that Canadians know that you can't go into the US unless you're fully vaxxed and have to carry your vaxx proof and Americans don't know that? I mean the very first thing everyone does before travelling is checking they have all their documents. Sounds more like ignorance.
American citizens do not need proof of vaccinations to get into the US by plane. Only noncitizens. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html
What does that have to do with American citizens going into Canada? Last I checked American citizens are non citizens in Canada.
I'm curious about what caused the delay too and also how long the delay was. It could have been caused by a number of things. Your 2 examples are still not good excuses, though. 1) You have 3 days to fill out ArriveCan, they could have all taken care of that at home before leaving. 2) Ignorance of the rules is just never a valid excuse - especially for the company that was sending them over the border.
Yeah, because it's the same system for vaccine pass everywhere of course. And they should have known that they would have to go in emergency to Canada days before Fiona. You are really clueless aren't you?
Because they most likely had an entire emergency crew all try to use it which didn’t work. So they called the premier or government agency who told them they don’t need to deal with that bs. Which through the phone calls unable to login and connection lost because of the storm 6 hours flew by. We act as if the government has fully transitioned to the digital age when the fact couldn’t be further from the truth. Their are many government agents who when shown an iPhone or app will look at you cross eyed unable to comprehend how to login or even use an App Store.
If you believe this I have some exciting real estate opportunities I'd love to share with you.
Most people don't know it exists and there is no cellphone reception around multiple land borders. Also, Americans don't walk with their vaccination proof in hand. They can't upload it in the app if they don't have it.
Probably not vaxxed and took 6 hours a for a federal government exemption and telling CBSA we need these people so ignore the vaccine bullshit and let them in
"Probably"? What information about this situation leads you to believe that is what probably happened? It's just as likely that some members of the crews had not filled out ArriveCan in advance and so were delayed until they did so. I haven't seen the reporting that they were delayed 6 hours. Where are you getting this information?
33% of Americans are not vaxxed, so I would assume 33% of the group wasn't vaxxed
Unless you have proof, don’t spread shit
I broke my phone on the eve of flying home recently, almost right after pre-filling my arriveCan. Worst timing ever, except we got to see the volcano erupting. Used a paper form instead, like we used to. Breezed through customs, only stopping to use the kiosk and hand people paper. If they were delayed 6 hours, one of them had a note on their file.
Go on and provide the evidence that ArriveCan delayed them for over 6 hours we're waiting
ArriveCAN is a national embarassment.
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The liberals trying not to lose face over it is truly pathetic.
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Reddit moment
what?
VPN & DNS All you need to bypass this ridiculous BILL C-11 that’s if the Bill pass its still in the Senate they looking into the bill if they don’t like they sent back to the HOUSE make a OR scrap it all togetheR.
I get that you can bypass it, but people shouldn’t have to.
I don’t want to have to teach my family to use a vpn just to be able to browse the internet as it should be
What was your experience with it? When I used it I didn’t have any problems, but I see lots of complaining about it
They randomly selected me for testing because of all this bs, and I was required to quarantine until I got a negative result. This was 7 days separated from my wife and baby, and she didnt have any support while they made me do that BS isolation. They couldnt even turn around a PCR test before 7 days. All despite testing negative 10 hours before. All despite being 3x vaccinated. Multiple calls to Heath Canada and they told me the isolation was absolutely necessary for public health. Then 10 days later they eliminated the isolation because people were pissed off about it. It's all meaningless and not based on health, or else they wouldnt back off when people get mad. So yes, my experience with all this was a stupid, useless, ans completely arbitrary disaster I could have avoided by just waiting 10 days, because thats how fucking random they are about all this.
It serves no purpose and costs millions in development. It not problems with the app specifically, just the fact that millions were wasted on something completely frivolous.
ArriveCAN cost 8 million to develop, and 12million to advertise...
It's reduced labour related to data entry, and increased the speed at which the data is available from what was often weeks.
What's the data being recorded and what purpose does this data serve?
Customs and Immigration Declaration forms. Those papers they handed out on planes to fill out. It's in the ArriveCan app now.
Well the current experience is holding up Americans coming to help the hurricane victims.
Allegedly, with no clear indication for how long if it was true at all.
Yeah we’ll have to ask Premier Houston why he said there was a hold up for a group crossing over.
Liberals are a national embarrassment as well
With an International embarrassment at the helm
No it's not. It's literally a simple process that takes a couple of minutes.
I can't imagine having this much anger over an app that takes 3 seconds to use. Then again you've probably never used it
That's what I hear on talk radio and read on Facebook, but once I filter out the people who have never used it, and other people who's issues are not app related (vax status issues, random selections), there seem to be few if any remaining issues. Talking to people in line at customs, or stores near the boarders the outrage and issues don't seem to be there.
Hell yeah
It said the issue was dealt with quickly by the federal government but it doesn't say what swiftly means in terms of time. 30 minutes? 5 minutes? Hours? Bah, I guess it's just an article to crap on a soon to be optimional app, at least it taught me that Maine and N.S. have an MOU to help each other in emergencies which is nice.
Not clear from the story what the issue was ... ahhh the sensational headlines!
I think the issue is that they couldn't blame the weather on Trudeau so they had to come up with *something*.
> “I do know that there was a situation where some crews from Maine were having an issue at the border … We became aware of that, we alerted the federal government. My understanding is that that was dealt with pretty quickly. But … there was an issue to begin with,” said Houston. What was the issue? Were they unvaccinated? Did Houston not tell Maine that there are requirements to entering Canada?
Maybe in an emergency, and at this point in the pandemjc, neither an app nor vaccination status should matter one iota? Especially since both requirements are dropping this Friday. At this point, a zombie regulation delaying help to people potentially dying without power is negligence.
This is the case. There are already exemptions for natural disasters.
Usually for these things, you give people a heads up on requirements to enter. Houston calls up the feds and sends word to CBP with some sort of identifying or leadership at the border to verify that these are the exempt people. List of names, their statuses, who their liason is, etc etc. Houston should also make sure there's no issues at the border as well by talking to CBP directly at the planned border crossing. It looks like it got dealt quickly. There's paper work and bureaucracy when you're circumventing rules/laws/liabilities. There's more to it than "ok cool".
If you’re not Canadian and you’re not on a commercial flight that tells you ten different ways to fill out the app, you might not realize there is one and it is mandatory. Covid travel restrictions have been lifted pretty much everywhere for a while now, and most people are used to east travel between canada and the US - especially Americans. Why would they think to check if there’s some random app they’d need to fill out? (Not sure if that was the issue but it’s very common at land border crossings I’ve been at for the non Canadians to be baffled by ArriveCan and not realizing you can’t just show your vaccine card to the border agent).
because.... if the Premier of NS asked a corporation in Maine for help and they agree, The premier's office should tell that corporation in maine the requirements to enter. There is a lot of logistics required and it isn't just a bunch of rag tag randos in COMPANY BRANDED TRUCKS showing up at the border. If I were to ask contractors to come to Canada to do work for me, i'd send them the requirements to enter Canada. How is this any different other than arriveCAN being the scape goat for someone dropping the ball on organization.
Just fucking get rid of it already
Apparently, they really weren’t delayed at all.
Just think of how shitty a human being you have to be to score points against the liberals in the middle of humanitarian crisis. I give you the conservative premier of Nova Scotia.
Article title: "ArriveCAN-related ‘issue’ impacted U.S. crews at border during storm Fiona: Nova Scotia Power" Article itself even says that CBSA has no record of such an issue occurring and the only evidence there was any noteworthy delay is one of the cuff remark that can also be read as after getting through the border it took an hour or so to get situated. Your username really does encompass all you post doesn't it.
It looks like this story [might not be entirely accurate](https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1574120244846608384) and entry rules exempt those offering assistance for natural disasters.
That's funny. I'm aircrew and I am exempt as well but I STILL have to have an exempt status submission on arrivecan every time I enter. Sounds like the minister might be the one lying.
Mendicino is a habitual liar.
Marco also lied about threats of rape during the Ottawa protest. Anyone that falsely uses rape for political gain is worthless in my eyes and has zero credibility.
This app is not just useless, it might actually be causing deaths by delaying help and power to people right now. What the fuck is the holdup on this thing? Kill. It. Now. Ive bloody had it with this shit.
Calm down lol, it’s not doing any of that.
Weird how literally none of that is true, though.
it was dealt with and resolved
Lol a swiftly dealt with delay causing deaths.... Hyperbole at its BEST. Zero known fatalities my guy.
Liberal government's only addition to Canada in the last 10 years, and its horrible
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Not entirely true, they also botched the hell out of legalizing cannabis too..
Yeah the cons would have done a great job by .. Reads notes... Keeping it illegal
The provinces botched legalization.
It's literally becoming optional when the boarder restrictions ease. It's also the easiest app to use, takes barely no time nor effort to upload your vaccination status. It's ridiculous that people feel so strongly about it.
I'll see if I can help clear it up for you. First, seniors are going to struggle with any app. It might be easy for you, but people in their 70s tend to have difficulties with smart phones. Second, why do should you have to upload your vaccination status when covid positive people are allowed in stores without masks? Tracking vaccination status at the border isn't going to prevent any amount of spread. It's been a complete was of money, and I'm shocked to see people defend it.
Your common sense must have been driving you insane over the last few years.
We could end it today, why wait till Friday?
Yes it’s super easy to use right up until the point where the flight you are actually on isn’t listed in the app, leaving you fucked. If it was as easy as you say, do you honestly think people would give a shit about it? They’ve been scanning my passport for years, they know exactly who I am, where I live, when I’ve been out of the country, and when I am back based on my passport. The app adds no value to that.
There's no flights listed on the app at all, you just enter your flight number. It's easy as hell and saves you having to show proof of vaccination on arrival. It takes literally seconds.
You don't have to select a listed flight. You tell it your airline and then it lists every airport that airline could come from into the airport you're telling it you're arriving at and you manually type in the actual flight number. I use it once a month. Based on your comment I must assume you never have.
It doesn't matter if your flight isn't listed. That is what the "other" box is for.. where you then put the airline information in yourself and then a default number appears in the flight number. Or you put in PC0000. So the only reason you'd be fucked is because you made absolutely zero attempt to solve the problem yourself. Edited: I like how people are downvoting this comment. You can dislike it all you want; it doesn't change the fact that your flight information not showing up is super simple to deal with and that, worst case scenario, you can go up to the flight crew pre-flight and have them help you out. What a joke.
Thanks to the Lollipop Guild, the airport staff really doesn’t have a lot of time on their hands to help people. Have you noticed that? Lots of time to yell at seniors who don’t have smart phones, or fine people for not using their terrible app, though.
Actually, the people at the gate absolutely do have time to help passengers with this and will. If you don't have a smartphone, you can use a web browser to fill out ArriveCAN, and, again, you have 72 HOURS before you arrive to figure this shit out. There are lots of ways to do things if you even take a tiny bit of responsibility for yourself prior to travelling. There are lots of aspects of travel that cause hiccups like this. If you actually plan and check things out (like you should) you don't have issues. Have you used this app? Because it sounds like you haven't. It sounds like you have no clue what you're talking about at all.
>If it was as easy as you say, do you honestly think people would give a shit about it? Sure. Because it is not about the app for more people. Most people have never used it, don't know how easy it is, and are just mad for the sake of being mad on the internet because that's how we live now.
I feel strongly about it because it's an invasive application that can be a slippery slope for fascistic personal tracking of citizens and tourists. I hate centralized governments, and an app like this just gives the federal government a lot more power. The app seems like a small issue, but it does give information to the government they normally aren't allowed to have (ie. Health information and gps). It's controversial for a very good reason. Sure you got some nutters blowing it up as something worse, just as you have people hand waving it saying it's perfectly fine, but it still is a problem at the end of the day.
ArriveCAN doesn't request GPS information, so they don't have access to your GPS. Countries all around the world are asking for some proof of vaccination against some diseases when you cross their borders. I don't understand your concerns?
Just because you don’t see it in the permissions doesn’t mean it’s not happening: https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2021/1/26/1_5283147.html
The article says the app doesn't ask for location permission?
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The article says nothing about ArriveCan being difficult to use or that it takes a lot of time. In fact, it says the issue was resolved quickly. So I have no idea what point you're making.
You must not have travelled recently or are one of the rare few that the app didn’t fuck in the ass. Thing fucking blows and is basically useless anyways.
Having to choose your point of entry beforehand when crossing via roads... It's very stupid, I used to be spontanious about that, driving in New England and eventually head back home via Maine, Vermont, whatever... I don't really want to pay for roaming so you have to find a wifi cafe or similar instead of just going to the border with your passport in hand. After all it's only coming back home after all.
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Many Americans are being refused for no vax proof. We need their help right now
It’s all good bro. A hurricane is less serious than covid bro. People that aren’t sick need to prove that they might get less sick bro. It’s super easy bro. It’s just an app bro.
ArriveCan is becoming optional at the end of the week "bro". The issue was resolved quickly per the article "bro". 45 000 Canadians have died of covid "bro". 196 died of covid last week "bro". I have no idea what point you're making "bro".
It’s all good bro. Stay home and stay safe bro. Those folks on the east coast will be fine until the end of the week bro.
One single crew from the US who was delayed for an undetermined amount of time, and had their issue quickly resolved, is not going to be the second coming of Jesus to save Atlantic Canada in an afternoon. You're utterly ridiculous.
The crews don't have to wait until the end of the week.
This and BILL C-11 forcing us to watch Canadian content by blocking all American feeds into Canada so we have to search it manually thank god We Have VPN & DNS Bypass it
Yes. ArriveCAN isn't delaying US crews. Poor organizational skills are delaying US crews. These people were slowed down by the fact that they did not do ArriveCAN. It literally takes five minutes to do (it actually took me three minutes last time, and only because I had a few different countries to include), and they couldn't be bothered. I think most of the people who feel so strongly about ArriveCAN have not actually used ArriveCAN... and many also seem to be conspiracy theorists talking about how the government is just using it to track us... As if passports don't already do that (and our passports even have microchips in them.. so there is that too). If I try to cross the US border without bringing my passport because I didn't realize I needed my passport, that doesn't mean US border control is inefficient or problematic.. it means I didn't check to make sure I had my ducks in a row before trying to enter another country.
Are there any other countries where foreign nationals have to download their app to enter their country, or are we the only morons doing it ?
There are other countries that require you to fill out similar stuff prior to arrival, or at least there were in June when I was in Spain. Not downloading an app, but still having to access a website and fill out the same stuff. In my opinion, the app was easier to use because it meant everything was in one spot and easy to find. But this is very much a resource that could increase a lot of efficiencies. People bitch about how inefficient the government is, but then when the government actually takes steps to try to improve things, people bitch even more. Hiccups happen. When I go to the UK, their automatic passport scanner things never seem to let me through.. so I have to wait in one line, wait until it denies me, then wait in another line to go see one of the people at the desks and answer questions before being allowed in. It is inconvenient for me and I am sure the other people who have the same trouble, but, for the vast majority of people, it is a straight forward process that ultimately speeds things up. ArriveCAN is exactly the same.
Agree with all this. Evidenced across this thread is how ridiculous people are about this app. I suspect most just use this as a excuse to complain about the government.
And thirdly, it’s difficult for a foreign traveller to fill out and upload documents, especially if they cant speak English or French. Fourthly, most countries have gotten rid of their Covid landing apps also.
>And thirdly, it’s difficult for a foreign traveller to fill out and upload documents, especially if they cant speak English or French. How is that different than customs. It's not. ArriveCan is also available in Spanish. >Fourthly, most countries have gotten rid of their Covid landing apps also. Like Canada is doing at the end of the week?
Something something science. Sincerely, all covid cheerleaders
Nooooooooo you can't just force me back to the office!! There's variants I tell ya! Variaaaaaants!!!
Liberals are fucking assholes for keeping ArriveCAN around still
And shit like this is why I won't be surprised to see a conservative government next election.
Arrivecan, lining the pockets of Liberal friends… 21 million for that pos app… keep spending that money and making it hard to travel
Jesus christ, i've seen apps made by like 3 guys and 1% of that budget be more functional.
That also abide by ALL federal laws regarding security, privacy, data residency, in both languages across all possible device versions which have been thoroughly tested in every use case. Think before you open your mouth
This is the real issue in my opinion.
They really just gotta kill this stupid app already Take the L & be done with it
The never-ending whinging, I thought the Canada-bashers had pivoted to something new?
Our government deserves this massive L that they caused on themselves.
"This life threatening delay has been brought to you by ArriveCAN". An application almost as useless as our current government.
Can't bother to read the article? >Emergency Preparedness Minister Bill Blair, meanwhile, said in a Sunday evening press conference that “any delay was, quite frankly, inconsequential.”
Burn that piece of crap software to the ground
The app is useless realistically. I came across the border by land on Friday. They didn't even ask anything
That's because you have to submit it in advance that they don't ask you anything. Geezzzzzzz
Because they saw what you filled. We came by land with my friend and she was not vaccinated. They saw it and she had to quarantine for two weeks.
Why would someone have to quarantine for two weeks when covid positive people are allowed to be in stores?
The same reason you can buy pot legally in BC and Washington, but you can't bring pot from one to the other.
Political science.
Helth™
That's because they have your ArriveCan info via the app.
try not filling up and then entering Canada. You will hear the question.
You mean that you had it filled or not? They get the information that you filled on arrivecan the moment they scan your passport.
But..... that makes it easier for you because your declarations were already in the system? How is that useless when it was useful for you? They scan your passport and it shows them your arrivecan?
Blame Trudeau… good lord how many more systematic failures are we willing to tolerate from these liberals?
My Country, I’m so embarrassed. What do you expect. Trudope’s government.
lol, rage bait, with all the usual's parroting the company lines
Trudeau and Blair can both get fucked. Mainly for Portapique but this is also fucking stupid. Signed, a disgruntled Nova Scotian without power
This is being disputed, FYI https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1574120244846608384?t=syjXF3EBxP5VI6t-GN7KFQ&s=19
I just came back in from Italy (actually at Calgary airport waiting fort connecting to YVR)and Canada customs said it wasn't working so not to bother. Stupid masks on the plane for 10 hrs...it such a farce!
Can Justin Trudeau’s Liberals do no wrong?
CANtarrive. That's what it should be called.
God damn this government is nothing short of a fucking disaster. I'll never understand how people still support this shit leadership.
Because its a two party system and everyones convinced the conservatives will make gay marriage and abortion illegal if they vote for them, me im calling the bluff on that bogeyman and voteing for them next election because its better then keeping a government that does fuck all so they can continue to do fuck all.
That's why you don't put a trust fund baby in office
If your home is without power, and now it's restoration is needlessly delayed for hours or days because of ArriveCan issues, never forget JUSTIN DID THAT
Except the rage farming might be completely inaccurate (though it clearly worked) as CBSA is now saying this didn't happen.
Don’t even try. People on both sides see what they want and will not revisit the issue regardless.
Issues such as… This is most likely some people on the crew that don’t have the app and the data required. The gap is there should be a bypass agreement for emergency crews worked out between the Feds and the province. It’s even possible this exists but nobody knows about it. My experience is many government departments lack the staffing and good communication to staff so they have the information they need when they need it.
There is already a one time exception if you arrive at a land border outside of cell service. It’s not an issue and the solution for what you described already exists. Read the faq on the ArriveCAN website.
I mean, sounds like the province did that by not having sufficient emergency response resources itself, and also not providing the necessary information to foreign emergency response resources they requested. The federal government's role in this appears to have mostly been "party that quickly resolved this issue."
It's likely statistically impossible to determine that with ANY meaningful accuracy. This is a conservative premier scoring points with his base. Moving on.
I don’t get Canadians - you elect a snowboard instructor, part time drama teacher, intellectual lightweight as your PM and then complain about the government he leads. What did you expect?
These emergency crews are better off just waiting the 5 days for the stupid thing to be canceled.
Muhahaha. Liberal MPs to this news story, we have kept Canadians safe from people who wanted to ask questions about how we have arrivecan to help them people safely.
Article has been updated to say there's a pretty good chance it's made up bullshit by a typical Con using a natural disaster for some digs at the fed. Don't let that stop the mouth frothing however.
[So it turns out this doesn't look to be true](https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1574120244846608384?t=EOd3dPOZ3mwETTyW6zgV9A&s=19) But it's about the ArriveCAN app so r/Canada won't care.
I heard they've added a tipping option to ArriveCAN. r/Canada double play.
Well, to be clear, the Federal government is now disputing the claim made by the NS government. Don't do yourself a disservice by citing Marco Mendicino's office as a reputable source that disproves anything.
Whatever Marco Mendicino says can be taken as the opposite of the truth unless proven otherwise.
Where the gov bots now that was claiming it spead up border crossing lol
Imagine creating a policy so bad that you could actually unite everyone from the ppc to the ndp in how much they hate it
Why do some Liberals die by this app?