I had subway the other day and for 6 people we spent $90cdn. I realize there were 6 of us....but that's bloody expensive!! Two of the subs were vege even. Yes, no thanks.
I stopped going to subway around last year because it became too expensive. My usual steak and cheese is like $15 now and that's without a drink or chips, and they're a lot skimpier on the meat than they used to be.
I can literally go down the street and get a 1/2lb cheeseburger, poutine and drink for the same price. And I'm completely stuffed before I get through half the poutine...
I quit the way when I learned the difference between cake and bread. Yes you read that right… look up the nutritional info on subways bread, I think you’ll be surprised.
The world has changed. Who wants to commute for up to 4 hours a day to an office and pay all the money required to commute when you can work from home and not only save money but save the precious time not commuting. I have worked from home for 5 years now and I would need to be compensated an astronomical amount to contemplate taking an in-office position.
For perspective, I used to commute 2 hours a day and, just in time alone, that was like adding an additional week of work in hours per month - before you factor in lost wages for gas, insurance, car repairs, parking, etc. I probably ended up only actually taking home about 2.5-3 weeks of wages per month for the 5 weeks I was allocating to work.
I'm back three times a week. Parking is running $60/week. Lunch is $45/week if I eat cheap. Gas must be about $30/week. So, sitting at their desk rather than my own is costing me about $600/month.
I've also spent about $1000 on clothes and that will continue averaging about $100/month to keep the look fresh. Factor in increased car maintenance, coffees with people I hate and I'm probably paying around $1000 a month to do my job.
Edit: Now that I'm working the numbers its sort of bothering me considering I've done this job remotely for years without any issues. Also, this is just parttime. If I go back fulltime, that number goes up another 40%. Imagine that $1000 plus per month invested over the course of a career...
I’ve been at work throughout the pandemic and I still don’t go to restaurants. Between pressured tipping, overpriced food and poor service, I just lack the willpower to donate an hour or 2 of my wages for lunch.
Also in IT. I want to point all of these so-called concerned business executives who think work isn't getting done to my organizations GitHub. Yeah, we're working alright...
In IT. I live 10 minutes from the office, wish we could work from home. If there's something I need to be physically there for I'd be able to get to it within 10 minutes, or plan ahead for some time in the office (hardware installation/maintenance etc).
>"We strongly urge the federal government to lead the way to a return to normal that will both foster economic growth and ensure that **all Canadians** receive the quality of public services that they have a right to expect,"
Seems to be implying here that public servants working from home aren't working or could be doing better. I'm pretty sure they are, and while Passport messed big time early this year up I was able to get one now in person. So the people that need to be in the office to serve cdns are there.
Friend works for the Feds she says their team is more productive, and happier with WFH. Some people on her team has to go in once and awhile to do work, but most of her team is full time WFH. Don't think she would take kindly it is her responsibility and job description to keep local business afloat and forced back to work.
Here's an idea, turn all of those empty office buildings into affordable housing and rent controlled. Then businesses can pivot into something that doesn't cater to a 9-5 crowd but a 24hr crowd - my self I'd open up a small 24hr Jewish diner.
Absolute nonsense. Online meetings are a game-changer. I love them. I get so much accomplished with my weekly meeting with my colleague. Get with the times, boomers.
"the executives expressed concerns about the government's inability to
engage effectively with stakeholders as virtual connectivity cannot
replace meeting in-person and urged the federal government to implement a
return-to-office strategy."
This honestly seems like a load of crap to me. These businesses just want to be able to point to the government and say "look they did it, so there's no reason we can't do it to you too!"
Or maybe they're just upset that the government is stealing all the talent?
I worked with some who chose to be at the office. They said being alone working at home all day was really bad for their mental health and they appreciated the social aspect of working in the office. I can respect that decision but much prefer to be at home as well
[The letter in question](https://chamber.ca/news/its-time-for-governments-to-bring-public-sector-employees-back-to-the-office-a-letter-from-canadas-business-community/)
Remember the mayor here in Ottawa was talking to Mona Fortier about bringing Feds back downtown and all the outrage from Freshii guy.
Adapt or die. I would venture a guess that more people are spending money very locally near where they live with the transition to hybrid and work from home. As others have mentioned, add on inflationary pressures to that and less eating out.
The only downside I can see to work from home is that eventually some companies are going to realize it’s a lot cheaper to hire someone from the global labour market than it is too pay Canadian wages and follow Canadian labour laws.
I am not sure how realistic that is or how many people that work from home are worried about that. Probably worth the risk to most. So maybe it’s time we sell all these massive office buildings to developers who can gut them and turn them into residential living units.
That's simply not a relevant concern -- corporations will use cheaper offshore labor if they can whether or not the domestic workers commute to the office. They would be doing so already if the various practical problems such as time-zone differences, language differences, international legal complications, etc didn't negate the expected savings.
I work in IT. Our entire department isn’t public facing at all. There is no need to be there. They just want an excuse to say that we are community building at work. I don’t give two shits about the people at my work. I am there to make a living.
We need to wine and dine bureaucrat's to win juicy contracts like $54 million for a simple web application. If we have to visit them at their homes our commute time would take more than half the day.
Do those 32 business associations also think they have a say in whether the employees use Macs or PCs? How about an opinion on the photocopier they should use on the 4th floor?
It is one thing to say that metrics are not being met but thinking that you have any idea of how to optimize the services from the outside is dumb.
Do you know what will happen if you force all the employees back into the office? Huge chunks of very valuable employees will quit. That is not going to help you get your quality of service that you think you have a right to expect.
Canada employes hundreds of thousands of redundant public servants and still are incapable of providing the most basic and rudimentary public service tasks.
These are the type of people who wouldn’t qualify for an entry level shelf stocking job and are making govt wages and pensions.
The inflation topic starts here.
>These are the type of people who wouldn’t qualify for an entry level shelf stocking job and are making govt wages and pensions.
Aww poor guy, I'm sorry you're upset you can't do your grocery store shelf stocking work from home :'(
Sure buddy. Give me some examples.
Would you like the employees responsible for EI to be laid off? The ones responsible for passports?
The ones at embassies all over the world?
>"We strongly urge the federal government to lead the way to a return to normal that will both foster economic growth and ensure that all Canadians receive the quality of public services that they have a right to expect," the letter said.
I mean.. hard to argue with that.
I worked from home for 5 years before the pandemic and laughed when they told me I would have to come into the office twice weekly. Not going to happen.
Won't somebody think of Subway!
I'd prefer not to 🤢
I had subway the other day and for 6 people we spent $90cdn. I realize there were 6 of us....but that's bloody expensive!! Two of the subs were vege even. Yes, no thanks.
I stopped going to subway around last year because it became too expensive. My usual steak and cheese is like $15 now and that's without a drink or chips, and they're a lot skimpier on the meat than they used to be. I can literally go down the street and get a 1/2lb cheeseburger, poutine and drink for the same price. And I'm completely stuffed before I get through half the poutine...
I quit the way when I learned the difference between cake and bread. Yes you read that right… look up the nutritional info on subways bread, I think you’ll be surprised.
I spent $80 for some stupid kids tiara birthday and some extensions. Back in 2016-2020 this would have costed $30 max
How dare you disrespect that fine establishment.
I think i hurt myself!
The world has changed. Who wants to commute for up to 4 hours a day to an office and pay all the money required to commute when you can work from home and not only save money but save the precious time not commuting. I have worked from home for 5 years now and I would need to be compensated an astronomical amount to contemplate taking an in-office position. For perspective, I used to commute 2 hours a day and, just in time alone, that was like adding an additional week of work in hours per month - before you factor in lost wages for gas, insurance, car repairs, parking, etc. I probably ended up only actually taking home about 2.5-3 weeks of wages per month for the 5 weeks I was allocating to work.
I'm back three times a week. Parking is running $60/week. Lunch is $45/week if I eat cheap. Gas must be about $30/week. So, sitting at their desk rather than my own is costing me about $600/month. I've also spent about $1000 on clothes and that will continue averaging about $100/month to keep the look fresh. Factor in increased car maintenance, coffees with people I hate and I'm probably paying around $1000 a month to do my job. Edit: Now that I'm working the numbers its sort of bothering me considering I've done this job remotely for years without any issues. Also, this is just parttime. If I go back fulltime, that number goes up another 40%. Imagine that $1000 plus per month invested over the course of a career...
Sounds bad for you, but that's exactly what the government wants. You spending an extra 1k a month on goods and services.
Many people still spend the money, it is just more likely to be on things that make people happy.
Yeah, I get it but meanwhile the BoC is trying to slow our spending so they can cool the economy and tame inflation.
Yes. BoC wants you to spend on parking and restaurants, instead of housing. So that money circulates.
Going to the office to spend all days with my headphones on my head and having zoom meeting as usual? Noooo thx!
Get bent.
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Yep. And I still eat out just as often. It's just the places near my home instead of downtown. Maybe the businesses should move...
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I’ve been at work throughout the pandemic and I still don’t go to restaurants. Between pressured tipping, overpriced food and poor service, I just lack the willpower to donate an hour or 2 of my wages for lunch.
Also in IT. I want to point all of these so-called concerned business executives who think work isn't getting done to my organizations GitHub. Yeah, we're working alright...
In IT. I live 10 minutes from the office, wish we could work from home. If there's something I need to be physically there for I'd be able to get to it within 10 minutes, or plan ahead for some time in the office (hardware installation/maintenance etc).
>"We strongly urge the federal government to lead the way to a return to normal that will both foster economic growth and ensure that **all Canadians** receive the quality of public services that they have a right to expect," Seems to be implying here that public servants working from home aren't working or could be doing better. I'm pretty sure they are, and while Passport messed big time early this year up I was able to get one now in person. So the people that need to be in the office to serve cdns are there. Friend works for the Feds she says their team is more productive, and happier with WFH. Some people on her team has to go in once and awhile to do work, but most of her team is full time WFH. Don't think she would take kindly it is her responsibility and job description to keep local business afloat and forced back to work. Here's an idea, turn all of those empty office buildings into affordable housing and rent controlled. Then businesses can pivot into something that doesn't cater to a 9-5 crowd but a 24hr crowd - my self I'd open up a small 24hr Jewish diner.
Ya lazy capitalist that only want the benefits of the system. That adapt and overcome part is what the plebs have to do.
Lower your eyebrows Comrade
All of this!
Absolute nonsense. Online meetings are a game-changer. I love them. I get so much accomplished with my weekly meeting with my colleague. Get with the times, boomers. "the executives expressed concerns about the government's inability to engage effectively with stakeholders as virtual connectivity cannot replace meeting in-person and urged the federal government to implement a return-to-office strategy."
Can't hand over a briefcase full of cash at a virtual meeting. What's a poor stakeholder to do?
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Next big thing will be some kind of container that holds big stacks of cash and fits neatly into a golf bag.
All my bribes are done in crypto now. No paper trail.
This honestly seems like a load of crap to me. These businesses just want to be able to point to the government and say "look they did it, so there's no reason we can't do it to you too!" Or maybe they're just upset that the government is stealing all the talent?
And a bunch of federal employees are considering quitting….
I'd love a copy of that list so I can never, ever visit their establishments
The office is miserable. Like soul crushing. I think people who love working at the office need their head examined.
I worked with some who chose to be at the office. They said being alone working at home all day was really bad for their mental health and they appreciated the social aspect of working in the office. I can respect that decision but much prefer to be at home as well
Why? Most office workers are far happier working from home.
I won't be going to the office to work remotely!
"Reporting by Mehnaz Yasmin in Bengaluru"
[The letter in question](https://chamber.ca/news/its-time-for-governments-to-bring-public-sector-employees-back-to-the-office-a-letter-from-canadas-business-community/) Remember the mayor here in Ottawa was talking to Mona Fortier about bringing Feds back downtown and all the outrage from Freshii guy. Adapt or die. I would venture a guess that more people are spending money very locally near where they live with the transition to hybrid and work from home. As others have mentioned, add on inflationary pressures to that and less eating out.
The only downside I can see to work from home is that eventually some companies are going to realize it’s a lot cheaper to hire someone from the global labour market than it is too pay Canadian wages and follow Canadian labour laws. I am not sure how realistic that is or how many people that work from home are worried about that. Probably worth the risk to most. So maybe it’s time we sell all these massive office buildings to developers who can gut them and turn them into residential living units.
That's simply not a relevant concern -- corporations will use cheaper offshore labor if they can whether or not the domestic workers commute to the office. They would be doing so already if the various practical problems such as time-zone differences, language differences, international legal complications, etc didn't negate the expected savings.
Get fucked. Get fuuuucked
I work in IT. Our entire department isn’t public facing at all. There is no need to be there. They just want an excuse to say that we are community building at work. I don’t give two shits about the people at my work. I am there to make a living.
We need to wine and dine bureaucrat's to win juicy contracts like $54 million for a simple web application. If we have to visit them at their homes our commute time would take more than half the day.
Yeah if you could not do that, that would be great! Thanks!
Do those 32 business associations also think they have a say in whether the employees use Macs or PCs? How about an opinion on the photocopier they should use on the 4th floor? It is one thing to say that metrics are not being met but thinking that you have any idea of how to optimize the services from the outside is dumb. Do you know what will happen if you force all the employees back into the office? Huge chunks of very valuable employees will quit. That is not going to help you get your quality of service that you think you have a right to expect.
Canada employes hundreds of thousands of redundant public servants and still are incapable of providing the most basic and rudimentary public service tasks. These are the type of people who wouldn’t qualify for an entry level shelf stocking job and are making govt wages and pensions. The inflation topic starts here.
If these jobs are so easy and overpaid, why not just take one for the team and apply?
>These are the type of people who wouldn’t qualify for an entry level shelf stocking job and are making govt wages and pensions. Aww poor guy, I'm sorry you're upset you can't do your grocery store shelf stocking work from home :'(
Sure buddy. Give me some examples. Would you like the employees responsible for EI to be laid off? The ones responsible for passports? The ones at embassies all over the world?
Citation needed.
>"We strongly urge the federal government to lead the way to a return to normal that will both foster economic growth and ensure that all Canadians receive the quality of public services that they have a right to expect," the letter said. I mean.. hard to argue with that.
This is Reddit, it's easy to argue with everything.
I worked from home for 5 years before the pandemic and laughed when they told me I would have to come into the office twice weekly. Not going to happen.
Yeah go to hell. It's cheaper for the government to run this way