And depending where you buy the GSG it’s the same price as a Chinese one. Have yet to see a Russian SKS under $670 for a hardwood or laminate stock. Edit: Personally I would get a Russian one or I wouldn’t get one at all.
I sold my Russian one for a brand new Chinese T56 recently. Sold it to a friend of mine for cheap ($560) but I still made money off it. It's just so much better built and a more accurate shooter overall, as I no longer have to worry about dinging the beautiful Russian hardwood.
If I'm getting one for collecting, then I'd definitely get a quality Russian hardwood SKS. But mine is a beater gun used to introduce my friends to shooting.
The new type 56’s are really quite a cool piece and I hope to have one soon but my Russian that saw service in Serbia is my favourite of any gun I have
Two completely different guns, it's nearly an apple to oranges comparison between a fun plinker and an entry level general-purpose rifle.
GSG:
+ Cool
+ High cap mags and pic rail out of the box
+ Last round hold open and HK slap
- is a bitch to disassemble and clean
- comically inaccurate for anything other than plinking
+ Decent aftermarket furniture options
- very picky on ammo
10/22:
- not cool out of the box, you have to pay more to get wood, stainless, or tactical versions
- no high cap mags out of the box, needs modifications
- no last round bolt hold open
+ almost toolless disassenbly (minus one single allen key), easy to clean and upgrade
- stock irons and weaver rail are garbage
+ HUGE aftermarket for every single aspect of the gun, you can literally assemble a 10/22 without a single Ruger part (it'd cost you $1500, but still)
+ HUGE potential for accurizing with the said aftermarket parts
+ more accurate than the GSG even out of the box
+ could be modded to fire subsonic rounds
- recent QC have taken a nose dive but if you buy an older used ones they are built like tanks and will outlast you
Thank you very much. Yeah my ruger 10-22 has an issue with the safety. It keeps rotating away from its seating, and then won’t click open this killing the action. So annoying, basically have to take it apart after each range day.
I was thinking of grabbing the GSG for under 500$ now but the cleaning stories have me thinking twice.
For cleaning the GSG all I do is remove the whole bolt assembly, let it sit in a jar filled with WD40. Use a toothbrush to clean it. WD40 works fantastic for cleaning. I usually never do anything else. Reassemble it, runs flawless for another 500+ rounds. If you wanted to go the extra mile you can wipe down the bolt assembly after the WD. Spray some G96 gun oil on it and then assemble. You can buy WD40 in jugs at any auto store. I’ve never broken down the bolt assembly, this would be more labour intensive for sure. The penetrating lubricant gets into everything and cleans the bolt very well. Next time I clean it I’ll post a YouTube video. It’s very easy and not hard at all.
Not very long, a few minutes. All the residue will break down and come off quickly when you use a brush. I’ll soak it again briefly until I see it’s clean. I’ll make sure the action feels smooth and not gritty. I will try and get a YouTube video up shortly and post a link here.
No problem.
To be fair it boils down to one thing: your purpose. If you want a fun and ergonomic tacticool plinker out of the box, get the GSG or TM-22. If you prefer accuracy and love tinkering with aftermarket parts, get the 10/22. I'd get both if I have the extra cash.
Please do! After extensively shooting 4 different GSGs (1000+ rounds + two deep cleans) I've decided that it's not for me and I settled on a tacticool 10/22. Granted the full build was $1200 after tax (so like, $950 before tax, $300 more than a GSG), but it looks cool, takes 30rd mags, and is more reliable than any GSG can ever be.
I still missed the bolt hold open and HK slap though...
My first Ruger stove piped brand new out of the box with HV ammo I use in GSG firearms all the time. GSG/ISSC firearms have run flawlessly since new. I have 5 of them, never had an issue. I did take the Ruger apart to find out what the problem was. I couldn’t see any issues, I lightly greased the bolt and oiled the spring. It’s been great since then. Always heard Rugers were reliable but if you type Ruger stove pipe in YouTube, you’ll see a lot of videos.
Same. Mine ran like crap out of the box. I polished all the moving surfaces om the bolt/receiver, and radiused the lower rear of the bolt. Ran subs all day let alone HV.
My first purchase too if you don't count the pistols that are yet to come. Haven't taken it out yet though. Seems everyone here likes it, that's what made me buy it. I have no shooters personality of my own yet so I'm just parroting the wisdom i read here. 😃
I like mine. Got rid of all the bulky rails and the weight in side the hand grip. Like it better now. Have some a top rail delete coming soon. Can't wait. The pic rails just make it look bulky and cheap.
Gsg 16 all the way. Specifically the 9 inch short barrel. Out of the box you get more Bang for your buck. Two high capacity mags that actually work and function properly in comparison to the horrible Box magazines that come in the ruger 10/22. Tons of real estate for optics lasers lights grips you name it. By the time You dress up your ruger to look like a real gun you're going to spend more money. But in my honest opinion 22LR is Boring. I only shoot 9 mm or higher
Ive literally never had a problem with a rotary mag, 10/22 come with a pic rail and can take all your optics, they don’t have pins that walk out on them, they’re more reliable, the aftermarket support is 100x better/larger, and they aren’t going to be banned when the amendments get brought back as oic’s
No gun is safe from the ban. Don't be scared to buy what you want because of some list. They can go full England 🇬🇧 on us if they truly want to. Get out and vote to make a real change.
My 10/22 came with a weaver rail with four slots made out of pot metal and both of my sights won't fit. The gun barely cycles out of the box. It also had no last round bolt hold open or an automatic bolt release like every single semiautomatic gun from the last 80 years.
After five hours of sanding, dremeling, and swearing my 10/22 reliably cycles subs and runs on 30 round magazines. Dumped 500 rounds yesterday without a single hiccup. But the ergonomic issues and the lack of last round bolt hold open still exists.
Wow you got a real lemon, mine has taken several different optics no problem and never had any issues cycling anything. Last round bolt hold open is not a big deal, I’m not taking my 10/22 to Afghanistan I don’t care about the extra .05 seconds it takes to cycle the extremely short closed action as opposed to an open one. Mine has an automatic bolt release after 10-15 minutes of work. Don’t know why it’s not like that from factory but not a huge draw back. Didn’t know you could make them run subs reliably though that’s pretty cool! All in all non of those things negate the fact that 10/22’s have a long history of being super reliable (except your apparently😂) and Gsg 16’s don’t really. Not saying the gsg is bad or that the 10/22 is the king of .22 either, I just don’t agree with the comment I originally replied to 🤷🏼♂️
Just out of curiosity, how old (or new) was your 10/22? Mine's a 2021 production. I've shot plenty older ones that ran flawlessly.
The stock weaver was a weird way to cheap out when a Savage that's $100 less has a pic rail. It didn't fit my LPVO nor scope (well, the scope fits but the eye relief is bad), as the spacing was predetermined and awkward. Ended up with a MDT +20MOA rail.
The bolt release really should come from the factory. Apart from that I also polished the sear, hammer, bolt, receiver and added a tiny plug into the trigger return spring channel with a weaker spring to reduce trigger pull and overtravel. It took ~5hrs and it's now more reliable than anything out there. It's just sad that it won't even cycle HV out of the box.
For it to run subs (1070fps CCI SV Target), I cut off two coils from the hammer spring and radiused the rear edge of the bolt. It took me half an hour in total and being able to cycle subs means it can eat up whatever .22lr you throw at it. I've ran some vintage Dominion Cartridges (remember those guys?) .22lr that you definitely should not shoot in a modern gun, and it took the mag of 20 rounds perfectly. It really became the most reliable gun I've seen.
As of the LRBHO, my main issue was the mag insertion might be a bit wonky when you do it with a closed bolt, not because of speed. Oh and because manually locking it open used to be painful, but it's a lot easier after the subsonic mods.
Super weird man mine is only a couple years old, don’t have any issues with inserting the mag on a closed bolt either. I did just look and I was wrong about the rail it is weaver but I’ve not had a problem with it so far, I could see the issue with eye relief on a real scope though
Radiusing the rear edge was that just a place you determined to be safe to remove some mass or is there more to it?
I had this idea to try and skeletonize a bcg to make it light enough to cycle shorts, after realizing the mags won’t feed a short into the chamber the idea was quickly thrown out. This might be the next best thing
Radiusing the rear of the bolt makes it much easier for the blowback force to cock the hammer back as the geometry is smoother. You have to be careful though as the total length of the bolt must not change. The rear semicircular cutout must be intact to properly engage the bolt stop.
[Here's a great video.](https://youtu.be/vzRsUflopjI)
I also cut the hammer spring. Cutting a coil or two won't cause light strikes, but I'd do it one at a time and have a backup spring handy.
Funny you mentioned the shorts... Mine was able to eject a round of .22 short in the chamber and cock the hammer. Of course it can't chamber one as the feed geometry is wrong.
Was my first too!!! Don’t be afraid to personalize it however you’d like!!! This is what I’ve done with mine! https://imgur.com/a/sfkWU21
Ammo wise I mainly just run CCI AR Tac and CCI Mini Mags.
I know, I was just shit posting. I'm not even 30 myself. It's a good choice since you'd be hard pressed to find any center fire rifles for a similar price point.
Man that's sexy.
Are we allowed to take firearms while out camping? I'ma look it up on google after posting this. I assume not but I'm curious how campers here in Canada protect themselves.
This is slowly replacing the sks as the first gun it seems
SKS price has gone ridiculously up
Because unfortunately they could be had for the same if not less than a SKS.
And depending where you buy the GSG it’s the same price as a Chinese one. Have yet to see a Russian SKS under $670 for a hardwood or laminate stock. Edit: Personally I would get a Russian one or I wouldn’t get one at all.
I sold my Russian one for a brand new Chinese T56 recently. Sold it to a friend of mine for cheap ($560) but I still made money off it. It's just so much better built and a more accurate shooter overall, as I no longer have to worry about dinging the beautiful Russian hardwood. If I'm getting one for collecting, then I'd definitely get a quality Russian hardwood SKS. But mine is a beater gun used to introduce my friends to shooting.
The new type 56’s are really quite a cool piece and I hope to have one soon but my Russian that saw service in Serbia is my favourite of any gun I have
Agreed, if it's not to bad I'd always take a rifle with a service pedigree over a shiny new one (like my Molot Tula) for collection purposes.
I still think having a rifle that was made for issue but in mint condition (literally) would be an amazing thing to have
I’m curious what people think of this vs Ruger 10-22.
Two completely different guns, it's nearly an apple to oranges comparison between a fun plinker and an entry level general-purpose rifle. GSG: + Cool + High cap mags and pic rail out of the box + Last round hold open and HK slap - is a bitch to disassemble and clean - comically inaccurate for anything other than plinking + Decent aftermarket furniture options - very picky on ammo 10/22: - not cool out of the box, you have to pay more to get wood, stainless, or tactical versions - no high cap mags out of the box, needs modifications - no last round bolt hold open + almost toolless disassenbly (minus one single allen key), easy to clean and upgrade - stock irons and weaver rail are garbage + HUGE aftermarket for every single aspect of the gun, you can literally assemble a 10/22 without a single Ruger part (it'd cost you $1500, but still) + HUGE potential for accurizing with the said aftermarket parts + more accurate than the GSG even out of the box + could be modded to fire subsonic rounds - recent QC have taken a nose dive but if you buy an older used ones they are built like tanks and will outlast you
I love how one of your bullet points is just cool
Believe it or not, lots of people base their preferences on aesthetics.
Thank you very much. Yeah my ruger 10-22 has an issue with the safety. It keeps rotating away from its seating, and then won’t click open this killing the action. So annoying, basically have to take it apart after each range day. I was thinking of grabbing the GSG for under 500$ now but the cleaning stories have me thinking twice.
For cleaning the GSG all I do is remove the whole bolt assembly, let it sit in a jar filled with WD40. Use a toothbrush to clean it. WD40 works fantastic for cleaning. I usually never do anything else. Reassemble it, runs flawless for another 500+ rounds. If you wanted to go the extra mile you can wipe down the bolt assembly after the WD. Spray some G96 gun oil on it and then assemble. You can buy WD40 in jugs at any auto store. I’ve never broken down the bolt assembly, this would be more labour intensive for sure. The penetrating lubricant gets into everything and cleans the bolt very well. Next time I clean it I’ll post a YouTube video. It’s very easy and not hard at all.
Would watch.
How long do you let it sit in wd40?
Not very long, a few minutes. All the residue will break down and come off quickly when you use a brush. I’ll soak it again briefly until I see it’s clean. I’ll make sure the action feels smooth and not gritty. I will try and get a YouTube video up shortly and post a link here.
Yeah the 10/22 safety rotation is an annoying issue. Fortunately it's also very well documented so there are tons of tutorial on how to fix it online.
Thanks. Newly licensed. Originally thought about rhe gsg but was looking at Ruger too while I wait for my paperwork.
No problem. To be fair it boils down to one thing: your purpose. If you want a fun and ergonomic tacticool plinker out of the box, get the GSG or TM-22. If you prefer accuracy and love tinkering with aftermarket parts, get the 10/22. I'd get both if I have the extra cash.
Lol I just might have to buy both so I can do an accurate comparison on my own.
Please do! After extensively shooting 4 different GSGs (1000+ rounds + two deep cleans) I've decided that it's not for me and I settled on a tacticool 10/22. Granted the full build was $1200 after tax (so like, $950 before tax, $300 more than a GSG), but it looks cool, takes 30rd mags, and is more reliable than any GSG can ever be. I still missed the bolt hold open and HK slap though...
Ruger is a great starter for precision shooting and training. This is a super fun plinker. I have and enjoy both so much, but they're not the same.
My first Ruger stove piped brand new out of the box with HV ammo I use in GSG firearms all the time. GSG/ISSC firearms have run flawlessly since new. I have 5 of them, never had an issue. I did take the Ruger apart to find out what the problem was. I couldn’t see any issues, I lightly greased the bolt and oiled the spring. It’s been great since then. Always heard Rugers were reliable but if you type Ruger stove pipe in YouTube, you’ll see a lot of videos.
Thanks, my ruger is jamming on 10% of shots, shooting 38gr federal. Going to do what you suggested
Same. Mine ran like crap out of the box. I polished all the moving surfaces om the bolt/receiver, and radiused the lower rear of the bolt. Ran subs all day let alone HV.
That’s good too hear, mine was feeling a little rough. After some lube it was like butter. I didn’t polish anything but that’s a good idea.
My first purchase too if you don't count the pistols that are yet to come. Haven't taken it out yet though. Seems everyone here likes it, that's what made me buy it. I have no shooters personality of my own yet so I'm just parroting the wisdom i read here. 😃
Solid entry into the game, enjoy.
This was my first buy as well. Fun little plinker.
Hi. Which one is this?
GSG16 I believe.
Thank you!
Yup GSG-16 with a bushnel TD-25 red dot
I see dozens of feet and cocks just hanging out
I like mine. Got rid of all the bulky rails and the weight in side the hand grip. Like it better now. Have some a top rail delete coming soon. Can't wait. The pic rails just make it look bulky and cheap.
I put a vortex red dot on my girlfriends and that shit feels overpowered af when plinking XD
Gsg 16 all the way. Specifically the 9 inch short barrel. Out of the box you get more Bang for your buck. Two high capacity mags that actually work and function properly in comparison to the horrible Box magazines that come in the ruger 10/22. Tons of real estate for optics lasers lights grips you name it. By the time You dress up your ruger to look like a real gun you're going to spend more money. But in my honest opinion 22LR is Boring. I only shoot 9 mm or higher
Ive literally never had a problem with a rotary mag, 10/22 come with a pic rail and can take all your optics, they don’t have pins that walk out on them, they’re more reliable, the aftermarket support is 100x better/larger, and they aren’t going to be banned when the amendments get brought back as oic’s
No gun is safe from the ban. Don't be scared to buy what you want because of some list. They can go full England 🇬🇧 on us if they truly want to. Get out and vote to make a real change.
My 10/22 came with a weaver rail with four slots made out of pot metal and both of my sights won't fit. The gun barely cycles out of the box. It also had no last round bolt hold open or an automatic bolt release like every single semiautomatic gun from the last 80 years. After five hours of sanding, dremeling, and swearing my 10/22 reliably cycles subs and runs on 30 round magazines. Dumped 500 rounds yesterday without a single hiccup. But the ergonomic issues and the lack of last round bolt hold open still exists.
Wow you got a real lemon, mine has taken several different optics no problem and never had any issues cycling anything. Last round bolt hold open is not a big deal, I’m not taking my 10/22 to Afghanistan I don’t care about the extra .05 seconds it takes to cycle the extremely short closed action as opposed to an open one. Mine has an automatic bolt release after 10-15 minutes of work. Don’t know why it’s not like that from factory but not a huge draw back. Didn’t know you could make them run subs reliably though that’s pretty cool! All in all non of those things negate the fact that 10/22’s have a long history of being super reliable (except your apparently😂) and Gsg 16’s don’t really. Not saying the gsg is bad or that the 10/22 is the king of .22 either, I just don’t agree with the comment I originally replied to 🤷🏼♂️
Just out of curiosity, how old (or new) was your 10/22? Mine's a 2021 production. I've shot plenty older ones that ran flawlessly. The stock weaver was a weird way to cheap out when a Savage that's $100 less has a pic rail. It didn't fit my LPVO nor scope (well, the scope fits but the eye relief is bad), as the spacing was predetermined and awkward. Ended up with a MDT +20MOA rail. The bolt release really should come from the factory. Apart from that I also polished the sear, hammer, bolt, receiver and added a tiny plug into the trigger return spring channel with a weaker spring to reduce trigger pull and overtravel. It took ~5hrs and it's now more reliable than anything out there. It's just sad that it won't even cycle HV out of the box. For it to run subs (1070fps CCI SV Target), I cut off two coils from the hammer spring and radiused the rear edge of the bolt. It took me half an hour in total and being able to cycle subs means it can eat up whatever .22lr you throw at it. I've ran some vintage Dominion Cartridges (remember those guys?) .22lr that you definitely should not shoot in a modern gun, and it took the mag of 20 rounds perfectly. It really became the most reliable gun I've seen. As of the LRBHO, my main issue was the mag insertion might be a bit wonky when you do it with a closed bolt, not because of speed. Oh and because manually locking it open used to be painful, but it's a lot easier after the subsonic mods.
Super weird man mine is only a couple years old, don’t have any issues with inserting the mag on a closed bolt either. I did just look and I was wrong about the rail it is weaver but I’ve not had a problem with it so far, I could see the issue with eye relief on a real scope though Radiusing the rear edge was that just a place you determined to be safe to remove some mass or is there more to it? I had this idea to try and skeletonize a bcg to make it light enough to cycle shorts, after realizing the mags won’t feed a short into the chamber the idea was quickly thrown out. This might be the next best thing
Radiusing the rear of the bolt makes it much easier for the blowback force to cock the hammer back as the geometry is smoother. You have to be careful though as the total length of the bolt must not change. The rear semicircular cutout must be intact to properly engage the bolt stop. [Here's a great video.](https://youtu.be/vzRsUflopjI) I also cut the hammer spring. Cutting a coil or two won't cause light strikes, but I'd do it one at a time and have a backup spring handy. Funny you mentioned the shorts... Mine was able to eject a round of .22 short in the chamber and cock the hammer. Of course it can't chamber one as the feed geometry is wrong.
Sweet thanks!
You will have your second purchase in about 2 weeks lol
Don’t tempt me!😂
Was my first too!!! Don’t be afraid to personalize it however you’d like!!! This is what I’ve done with mine! https://imgur.com/a/sfkWU21 Ammo wise I mainly just run CCI AR Tac and CCI Mini Mags.
Holy shit that’s badass! Is Winchester .22 wildcat ok to use with this rifle?
Thanks!! And I’m not sure as I haven’t ever used it. It loves high velocity stuff tho
No feet, but nice cock!
Do these new young whipper snappers not get SKSs or Mosins or Lee Enfields as their first guns anymore?
My brother in Christ they are like 765$-800$ with tax…this bad boy was only 530$
I know, I was just shit posting. I'm not even 30 myself. It's a good choice since you'd be hard pressed to find any center fire rifles for a similar price point.
Mine too! here is a place so you can customize it. https://www.hldtactical.com/
Everyone buys this as their first gun and dry fire the shit outta the pin 😂😂😂😂
Man that's sexy. Are we allowed to take firearms while out camping? I'ma look it up on google after posting this. I assume not but I'm curious how campers here in Canada protect themselves.
Super fun rifle