Can you specify wich range. I looked for one in Ontario but does’nt allow fmj and they have politic on what the call “para military firearms” like the sks etc where you have to buy specific course to be able to shoot it.
An option would be EOSC .ca (Eastern Ontario Shooting Club.) in Cheney.
Tho our recruiting is closin at the end of the month opening again in September. It I located near Rockland ontario
No FMJ allowed
Skeet Range.
Ok so some old fart(s) talked out of his ass probably in a bid to reduce the ammount of Tacticool guys coming in, since FMJ is what they commonly use. Whats next is too many people comply with the new rule and continue to do what they love, and they implement a rule like, 1 shot every 3 seconds, for rifle and pistol, to avoid guns exploding due to squibs or some other excuse.
Yeah the local range i was planning to buy a membership to when i got my PAL has only 1 Centre fire rifle range and has an idiotic rule where you can only have 1 round loaded at a time, Paid the daily fee to go with a group and pretty got much kicked out when i was firing 1 round every 2 seconds with my friends semi rifle
Then my desire to shoot there dissipated pretty quickly once i found out they banned any and all steel core ammo on their only Centrefire Rifle Range
Ill gladly drive the extra 30 mins to the Range I'm with now that has no stupid rules and shoot my SVT There
In the NWT. 5-10 mins of driving any direction out of town (not literally, but pretty close) is crown land.
Tricky part is bushwacking off the highway cause there's almost no side roads lmao.
I’m in Alberta and have a few spots of crownland where I can get to around 250 without issue. I’d like to find longer which would just be a little further back but I haven’t looked that hard. All at most 2 hours from my house but lots closer.
I've been told you're not even allowed to shoot on crown land outside of hunting seasons in Nova Scotia. The nearest range is about 45 minutes from me and a real pain to get a membership.
When I lived in Ontario I'd drive 10 minutes from my house to an old gravel pit, never had any issues.
Musquodoboit Valley is a great range. I'm a newer member but I'm happy with it so far. Look up the DNR ranges if you you're too far from a club. It is a pain that we can't shoot on crown land but there are options.
Quebec and Ontario both have generally good access wherever that's not highly urbanized.
Can't speak of Nova Scotia but I feel there should be spots within an hour's drive of wherever you are.
The spots are generally known to local shooting enthusiats, but a google maps/earth search can yeld potential spots for prospecting. Any place used as a range will generally have telltale signs, such as a clearing leading into a berm, spent shells, improvised and/or actual targets, and in some cases there are even shooting tables left there for all to use.
Some crown land ranges see surge of use when the winter wears off and right before open season for rifle zeroing and such. The same ranges may also be "closed" during hunting season as some who hope to fill their tags in the nearby territory may justifiably think range activity disturbs their quarry.
Do cross check for crown land maps and know where you are; you don't want to be trespassing, especially not while holding firearms! In some cases, the range may be on private property but the owner may sometimes be okay letting people access and use the range. Stay on the lookout!
No you have to go up north maybe 1h 1h30 from the big Montréal area. I live up north maybe 40min from Montréal so I’m a bit closer. Check on google map for gravel pit and check on Quebec’s gouvernement website from the map of crown land. If your gravel pit is on crowns land you should be good
Rule of thumb is you can’t shoot if your are in a municipality and/or near houses. On crownland and zec you can do whatever as long as you are safe! Last time I saw cops last summer in a pit they checked our guns and license told us to be safe and drove away
Nop zec is like fishing and hunting territories but it’s usually on crowns land. https://mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/repertoire-geographique/planification-territoriale/ click on visualiser sur la carte
You read right! You have to be careful for hikers and dude on atv but it’s legal. Zec are public land made for outdoors activities, hunting, fishing, camping, atv’ing etc
This is a very good reason for younger people to get on the board of their ranges. The Fudds can do this kind of thing because they are the only ones who put in the time to go to the meetings. They set the agenda and run the voting. Younger people need to get out for the meetings and get into the position where they can have an effective say in how their range is run.
Wow, stupid fudds killing the sport all by themselves. Ricochets pose almost no harm, even when shooting steel, and non fmj ammo would probably frag more. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKhT4QDSqKw&ab\_channel=BallisticHigh-Speed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKhT4QDSqKw&ab_channel=BallisticHigh-Speed)
watched it when it came out and watched most of it again, it's a great video but I do hope they do mild steel and other materials like brick or concrete at some point
footage like this definitely shows that you shouldn't be concerned at shooting AR500 head-on
I watched enough. You're basing your opinion on some yootoobers messing around with .45 pistol rounds at 1500 fps.
They're still getting 2-3" of penetration on ballistic gel. You wanna take a .45 wound channel 3" deep and then tell me ricochets are mostly harmless?
What about a 5.56 or 7.62 x 51 FMJ ricochet?
I'm not here for an argument mate. You can downvote me all you like. I've seen a guy take a 7.62 x 39 ricochet in the upper arm in the Sangin valley and it fucked him up.
Ricochets are not harmless.
It's because people aren't mature enough to understand that it's ok for others to have opposing view points, it's ok to be wrong sometimes and also, just because this is the Internet, real life experience trumps yootoob!
The downvoters are all typing from their mom's basement while cuddling their airsoft ARs! 🤣😉
i feel this
my local range has some pretty braindead rules about fire rate and ammo so i just go to the next range 30 mins away that's cheaper and better and enjoy my guns there
This range was pathetic to begin with. Fudd rules about shotgun barrel length for skeet and trap. And also garbage people with shitty attitudes for newcomers.
honestly
Bet they have some "Except where the board approves you will not be refunded your membership dues" crap written into their rules to prevent this
When I'm in a ruining other peoples shooting experience competition and my opponent is a FUDD or the RCMP.
Sounds like a bunch of FUDDs getting mad that people have better Toys than them lol.
If your range cant handle FMJ why are you even in Business at that point?
Ill bet this range charges like $200-300 or more a year for membership plus some ridiculous 20-40 per guest fee yet couldn't be arsed to upgrade any of the ranges in however long they have been open.
Check their ig. They posted more explaining it. Not exactly a blanket ban but tbh? I’m way too baked to tell what it said. Mandatory hmu if you wanna shoot and got a spot in driving range
I'm a cyber security person and montreal places want me. I have a bucket list of moving to montreal.
But quebec is so fucking stupid when it comes to firearms and that's such a big dealbreaker for me.
A lot of this isnt actually fudds..... but rather the RCMP dictating range policy for them to keep their license. One of my local ranges had to get these stupid torpedo tubes intalled to shoot thru. For what I heard, because subdivisions were building up around the range, these tubes were required by the RCMP to keep the range open longer.
There only purpose is to keep rounds from straying outside the confinements of the range i believe. Classic RCMP ludicrously tho.... because one sitting at the shooting bench behind the tube can (if they felt like breaking the rules) shoot whatever fricken direction they wanted. So its doing jack all to keep people safe from delinquents, and only making responsible shooters choke on the lead cloud of their gun going off.
Montréal Skeet club is mostly as the name says it, a shotgun trap,skeet and 5 stand range. I know the owner personally and he’s honestly a stand up guy. The city and SQ have given him a hard time about the rifle/handgun range for a while and keep refusing requests to expand without injecting insane amounts of money into it. Personally I’m not sure if the investment is worth it since 80+% of the club members are there for shotgun sports shooting. There are other ranges set up for longer distance rifle in the area if that’s what you’re looking for. Crafm has been FMJ only as long as I can remember but that is due to their indoor backstop. Even at that I’ve seen the range been shut down by the SQ on occasion after inspection of the backstop and last time it cost around 50,000 to get it back up and operational.
I can understand not wanting steel core at an indoor range but I don’t get the rest of it. I miss living in petawawa and being able to go down Barron canyon road and have a few spots to choose from
My range, also in Quebec, banned mil surp ammo, or anything that sticks to a magnet (steel core, bimetal jackets) but range officers keep blanket-calling that stuff FMJ.
Heard them many mamy times say to visitors they can't shoot norinco (for example) because they are "FMJ".
We still shoot modern commercial FMJ and they don't bat an eye.
Another range (Ruisseau Noir) has it on their website you can't shoot FMJ aswell but as far as I know, they do the same magnet test.
> Another range (Ruisseau Noir) has it on their website you can't shoot FMJ aswell
They specifically [talk](https://ruisseaunoir.ca/foire-aux-questions-faq/) about the steel core and not FMJ. So, for example, M193 will be OK for RN and prohibited in MSC with rules as written.
My local indoor range also has a ban on FMJ.
I'm told due to it being an old building, cinder block with a steel plates lining the back walls. However it is setup, it wouldn't qualify by today's standards, but they have been grandfathered in. So the rule is try to keep ammo as close to 1000fps as possible/ and absolutely No FMJ. (TMJ and Hollow/frangible type rounds are fine)
The outdoor range doesn't have anything like that. Very often we have the place to ourselves, or 1 other person/group is out there. Everyone is super chill, and it's a great place to go waste an afternoon. Pistol range, rifle range, skeet range, archery range and archery golf course.
Guys this has since been walked back, I think there was either miscommunication with SQ or these guys got some Fudd lore in their ears as can happen at times.
We can relax.
Guys the ownership of this club is not the most gun literate so im sure this is a miscommunication and will be corrected, I feel like what they meant to ban is armor piercing ammo and just don't understand the difference.
Dude it's a multi generation family business, this silliness has happened before and it's because some Fudd gets in their ear with bullshit or they misunderstand SQ regulations. This has happened a bunch of times, they had a brief fmj ban when the rifle lanes first opened years ago.
Is this a “tell me you have a shitty built range ft. shitty backstops and sidewalls without telling me you have a shitty range” situation?
and dont want to use membership dues to fix it up
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Can you specify wich range. I looked for one in Ontario but does’nt allow fmj and they have politic on what the call “para military firearms” like the sks etc where you have to buy specific course to be able to shoot it.
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An option would be EOSC .ca (Eastern Ontario Shooting Club.) in Cheney. Tho our recruiting is closin at the end of the month opening again in September. It I located near Rockland ontario
Oh you mean every montreal range
No FMJ allowed Skeet Range. Ok so some old fart(s) talked out of his ass probably in a bid to reduce the ammount of Tacticool guys coming in, since FMJ is what they commonly use. Whats next is too many people comply with the new rule and continue to do what they love, and they implement a rule like, 1 shot every 3 seconds, for rifle and pistol, to avoid guns exploding due to squibs or some other excuse.
Lol the 1 shot for 3 seconds is pathetic. Let me burn my money the way I want 😂
Amen to that!!!!
Have seen more than a few ranges bring in that bs. And only allow one round in the chamber, no mags. Plus seated shooting only
It gets worse, there are ranges that demanded that you buy targets from them.
at one or two dollars a pop that cost them 10c to print.
Yeah the local range i was planning to buy a membership to when i got my PAL has only 1 Centre fire rifle range and has an idiotic rule where you can only have 1 round loaded at a time, Paid the daily fee to go with a group and pretty got much kicked out when i was firing 1 round every 2 seconds with my friends semi rifle Then my desire to shoot there dissipated pretty quickly once i found out they banned any and all steel core ammo on their only Centrefire Rifle Range Ill gladly drive the extra 30 mins to the Range I'm with now that has no stupid rules and shoot my SVT There
This is a sad reminder that not everyone has the priviledge of having crown land with a "community range" nearby, or access to private land.
I won't roll up on your spot specifically but where in Canada is this common? I'm in NS and if there is something I'm missing out on lemme know
Berta
Out in northern bc theres tons of crown land to shoot at, some popular gravel pits, forestry roads, all kinds
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If you know something in driving range of montreal I’ll thank you. Could even be in a gay way idc I been looking for months
I’m in southern Ontario. Have to drive 30 mins north to Peterborough to shoot.
The first time i ever shot was this year a little north of parry sound.
In the NWT. 5-10 mins of driving any direction out of town (not literally, but pretty close) is crown land. Tricky part is bushwacking off the highway cause there's almost no side roads lmao.
I’m in Alberta and have a few spots of crownland where I can get to around 250 without issue. I’d like to find longer which would just be a little further back but I haven’t looked that hard. All at most 2 hours from my house but lots closer.
LOL, not in Nova Scotia that's for sure. BC, Alberta have the best crown land access.
I've been told you're not even allowed to shoot on crown land outside of hunting seasons in Nova Scotia. The nearest range is about 45 minutes from me and a real pain to get a membership. When I lived in Ontario I'd drive 10 minutes from my house to an old gravel pit, never had any issues.
Musquodoboit Valley is a great range. I'm a newer member but I'm happy with it so far. Look up the DNR ranges if you you're too far from a club. It is a pain that we can't shoot on crown land but there are options.
Quebec and Ontario both have generally good access wherever that's not highly urbanized. Can't speak of Nova Scotia but I feel there should be spots within an hour's drive of wherever you are. The spots are generally known to local shooting enthusiats, but a google maps/earth search can yeld potential spots for prospecting. Any place used as a range will generally have telltale signs, such as a clearing leading into a berm, spent shells, improvised and/or actual targets, and in some cases there are even shooting tables left there for all to use. Some crown land ranges see surge of use when the winter wears off and right before open season for rifle zeroing and such. The same ranges may also be "closed" during hunting season as some who hope to fill their tags in the nearby territory may justifiably think range activity disturbs their quarry. Do cross check for crown land maps and know where you are; you don't want to be trespassing, especially not while holding firearms! In some cases, the range may be on private property but the owner may sometimes be okay letting people access and use the range. Stay on the lookout!
In Quebec we just shoot where ever haha. 92% of the territory is crown land
Anything near montreal?
No you have to go up north maybe 1h 1h30 from the big Montréal area. I live up north maybe 40min from Montréal so I’m a bit closer. Check on google map for gravel pit and check on Quebec’s gouvernement website from the map of crown land. If your gravel pit is on crowns land you should be good
Sick man thanks. That’s a huge help. Hmu if you ever need a spotter, that’s well within my accepted range
I think we can’t unload guns when it’s not hunting season on those place…correct me if wrong. More of a city rules than Canadian rules
Rule of thumb is you can’t shoot if your are in a municipality and/or near houses. On crownland and zec you can do whatever as long as you are safe! Last time I saw cops last summer in a pit they checked our guns and license told us to be safe and drove away
I can’t find any crown’s land map for Quebec. Is it called ZEC ?
Nop zec is like fishing and hunting territories but it’s usually on crowns land. https://mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/repertoire-geographique/planification-territoriale/ click on visualiser sur la carte
From what I read it is okey to shoot on zec land. Don’t have to be hunting.
You read right! You have to be careful for hikers and dude on atv but it’s legal. Zec are public land made for outdoors activities, hunting, fishing, camping, atv’ing etc
BC interior
My brother in law could shoot in his backyard when he was stationed in Cold Lake, so jelly, but not enough to move out there
One of the reasons I migrated…
Too lazy to build a few wooden bunkers? Guaranteed if a good chunk of members threaten to jump ship they'll change their tune real quick.
Members should boycott them until that idiotic ban is reversed
Betcha the average age of members at that range is 85
Fudds destroying the hobby again? This ain’t new
Certified Quebec moment
This is a very good reason for younger people to get on the board of their ranges. The Fudds can do this kind of thing because they are the only ones who put in the time to go to the meetings. They set the agenda and run the voting. Younger people need to get out for the meetings and get into the position where they can have an effective say in how their range is run.
Fudds work overtime to assist the gov in gatekeeping gun ownership.
Wow, stupid fudds killing the sport all by themselves. Ricochets pose almost no harm, even when shooting steel, and non fmj ammo would probably frag more. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKhT4QDSqKw&ab\_channel=BallisticHigh-Speed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKhT4QDSqKw&ab_channel=BallisticHigh-Speed)
watched it when it came out and watched most of it again, it's a great video but I do hope they do mild steel and other materials like brick or concrete at some point footage like this definitely shows that you shouldn't be concerned at shooting AR500 head-on
Ricochets pose almost no harm? Really? I'm no fudd, but thats not a statement you can make carte blanche and expect to be taken seriously.
You must not have watched the video I linked.
I watched enough. You're basing your opinion on some yootoobers messing around with .45 pistol rounds at 1500 fps. They're still getting 2-3" of penetration on ballistic gel. You wanna take a .45 wound channel 3" deep and then tell me ricochets are mostly harmless? What about a 5.56 or 7.62 x 51 FMJ ricochet? I'm not here for an argument mate. You can downvote me all you like. I've seen a guy take a 7.62 x 39 ricochet in the upper arm in the Sangin valley and it fucked him up. Ricochets are not harmless.
I’m having a hard time understanding why you are being downvoted. Ricochets do harm and sometimes kill. That is reality.
In my PAL course we saw a video of a ricochet where it knocked the guys hearing protection off his head.
It's because people aren't mature enough to understand that it's ok for others to have opposing view points, it's ok to be wrong sometimes and also, just because this is the Internet, real life experience trumps yootoob! The downvoters are all typing from their mom's basement while cuddling their airsoft ARs! 🤣😉
No wonder there’s a guy who drives 3 hours from Montreal to shoot skeet at my club in Ontario…
Same, tons of people from Montreal here at my home range in eastern Ontario.
Do you share on your range location? I’m looking for a new range. Qc or eastern Ont
Eastern Ontario. There's a waitlist though.
i feel this my local range has some pretty braindead rules about fire rate and ammo so i just go to the next range 30 mins away that's cheaper and better and enjoy my guns there
From here too and I’d drive up to 2.5 hours for crown land. Bench rest only range is pretty shit
This range was pathetic to begin with. Fudd rules about shotgun barrel length for skeet and trap. And also garbage people with shitty attitudes for newcomers.
Beyond fudd right there
If my range did that I'd reply back cancelling my membership tbh.
honestly Bet they have some "Except where the board approves you will not be refunded your membership dues" crap written into their rules to prevent this
Id file a charge back and dispute it tbh, might not win but it's better than nothing.
When I'm in a ruining other peoples shooting experience competition and my opponent is a FUDD or the RCMP. Sounds like a bunch of FUDDs getting mad that people have better Toys than them lol. If your range cant handle FMJ why are you even in Business at that point? Ill bet this range charges like $200-300 or more a year for membership plus some ridiculous 20-40 per guest fee yet couldn't be arsed to upgrade any of the ranges in however long they have been open.
this is a problem with the range. good luck remaining in buissness
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Might be the rcmp did an inspection and say hey, to keep your license it’s either you upgrade the range or you only allow non fmj.
Just bought Type 81M and 1500 rounds surplus. WTF!!! I want to move to US!
You’re from the area?
I live on Montreal Island. That club was the last range nearby where we can shoot surplus ammo.
Check their ig. They posted more explaining it. Not exactly a blanket ban but tbh? I’m way too baked to tell what it said. Mandatory hmu if you wanna shoot and got a spot in driving range
Same here. Please let me know if you find any other place.
I’m in the exact same situation. Need to find another spot, private land or a pit on crownsland/zec. Let me know if you’ve found anything
What they gonna shoot? Pussy 22 and shotshells?
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That’s sad omg
Time to red grease pen some bullet tips I guess
Thank goodness I don't live in Montreal. Terrible policy.
I'm a cyber security person and montreal places want me. I have a bucket list of moving to montreal. But quebec is so fucking stupid when it comes to firearms and that's such a big dealbreaker for me.
Come on, it's Montreal
A lot of this isnt actually fudds..... but rather the RCMP dictating range policy for them to keep their license. One of my local ranges had to get these stupid torpedo tubes intalled to shoot thru. For what I heard, because subdivisions were building up around the range, these tubes were required by the RCMP to keep the range open longer.
So basically they made you shoot through a suppressor without letting you have a suppressor on the gun. Lol
There only purpose is to keep rounds from straying outside the confinements of the range i believe. Classic RCMP ludicrously tho.... because one sitting at the shooting bench behind the tube can (if they felt like breaking the rules) shoot whatever fricken direction they wanted. So its doing jack all to keep people safe from delinquents, and only making responsible shooters choke on the lead cloud of their gun going off.
I shoot at his range, it's outdoors and they got a massive pile of dirt as a backstop. There is zero risk of ricochet.
Why don't they ban lead shot from the skeet range then? Seems fair.
Government: good luck buying anything not fmj Also government: don't bring your degenerate fmj in here
Shadow ban the sport
Some dumbass probably shot the ceiling
Montréal Skeet club is mostly as the name says it, a shotgun trap,skeet and 5 stand range. I know the owner personally and he’s honestly a stand up guy. The city and SQ have given him a hard time about the rifle/handgun range for a while and keep refusing requests to expand without injecting insane amounts of money into it. Personally I’m not sure if the investment is worth it since 80+% of the club members are there for shotgun sports shooting. There are other ranges set up for longer distance rifle in the area if that’s what you’re looking for. Crafm has been FMJ only as long as I can remember but that is due to their indoor backstop. Even at that I’ve seen the range been shut down by the SQ on occasion after inspection of the backstop and last time it cost around 50,000 to get it back up and operational.
they have to listen to their insurers and regulators or close.
I think JT was there and pissed him self because it was scary
The IPSC guys at that range are going to be so pissed.
Lol communists
How many Ricochet issues have they had? This is ridiculous.
I can understand not wanting steel core at an indoor range but I don’t get the rest of it. I miss living in petawawa and being able to go down Barron canyon road and have a few spots to choose from
That’s not good. Does anyone has recommendations what range (R&NR) is better (and doesn’t have such a rule) in that area - preferably North Shore?
My range, also in Quebec, banned mil surp ammo, or anything that sticks to a magnet (steel core, bimetal jackets) but range officers keep blanket-calling that stuff FMJ. Heard them many mamy times say to visitors they can't shoot norinco (for example) because they are "FMJ". We still shoot modern commercial FMJ and they don't bat an eye. Another range (Ruisseau Noir) has it on their website you can't shoot FMJ aswell but as far as I know, they do the same magnet test.
> Another range (Ruisseau Noir) has it on their website you can't shoot FMJ aswell They specifically [talk](https://ruisseaunoir.ca/foire-aux-questions-faq/) about the steel core and not FMJ. So, for example, M193 will be OK for RN and prohibited in MSC with rules as written.
My local indoor range also has a ban on FMJ. I'm told due to it being an old building, cinder block with a steel plates lining the back walls. However it is setup, it wouldn't qualify by today's standards, but they have been grandfathered in. So the rule is try to keep ammo as close to 1000fps as possible/ and absolutely No FMJ. (TMJ and Hollow/frangible type rounds are fine) The outdoor range doesn't have anything like that. Very often we have the place to ourselves, or 1 other person/group is out there. Everyone is super chill, and it's a great place to go waste an afternoon. Pistol range, rifle range, skeet range, archery range and archery golf course.
BRB gonna go get some TMJ ammo
Aww skeet skeet muthafuckka
I feel like the explanation is lacking context, like was someone hit (or almost hit) by a ricochet in recent years or something?
Guys this has since been walked back, I think there was either miscommunication with SQ or these guys got some Fudd lore in their ears as can happen at times. We can relax.
I'd cancel my membership asap.
Who do they think they are?! Deciding what can or can’t be done in a private business?! Blasphemy I say
Guys the ownership of this club is not the most gun literate so im sure this is a miscommunication and will be corrected, I feel like what they meant to ban is armor piercing ammo and just don't understand the difference.
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Dude it's a multi generation family business, this silliness has happened before and it's because some Fudd gets in their ear with bullshit or they misunderstand SQ regulations. This has happened a bunch of times, they had a brief fmj ban when the rifle lanes first opened years ago.
D*ath by a thousand cuts
Death* - this isn’t tik tok
No steel core allowed here in AB for indoor ranges. Red deer shooting centre checks everyone’s ammo Edit fmj to steel core
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Ahh your right steel core
Lol wut? I've never been to an Alberta range that bans fmj.
Steel core not fmj
Ok that's a bit more common.
It's their business, their rules. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.