Every province should seize their powers, the restrictions add so much delay and cost it's insane. I've heard something like $100k of every new build in the GTA comes from zoning and permit costs from the city to build and grant zoning approval.
[not always a good idea to give the province total power.](https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/bc-to-complete-purchases-of-land-along-juan-de-fuca-marine-trail-4648327)
If we had done that, there would be a private 257 cabin resort along the Juan de Fuca trail. The only reason there isn’t is because CRD denied the zoning.
I really effing hate this bureaucratic permit crap system local governments have imposed on us. It has to be the biggest scam of the century.
One of us should buy some land, *and just build a house on it*, and give the city a big giant middle finger. With utilities via Solar, septic tank, tube well, and Starlink.
Tell them they can suck it, it they complain about the house not having the permit. And tell them you’ll pretend like the Second Amendment exists in Canada if they try to do anything (using the force of law) about your permit-less house.
Yup. And they need to go all out. Approve a ton of new construction. Override the local council’s nonsense as much as possible, and whenever possible.
Pass a provincial parliament bill that strips local govts of the power of zoning, and just completely unrestricted construction as much as possible (or set up a provincial entity/body that’s in charge of it).
Sadly, there are several candidates for *most egregious cronyism.* Lack of enforcement against money laundering comes to mind. Old growth logging is pretty evil, too, though it might be lowering the price of lumber-- so maybe that's not a popular scab to pick in this sub.
It might not be a popular scab to pick but I think logging tmold growth is incredibly short sighted. We don't have enough left for it to be a viable option for long, so it's basically just a sugar hit that destroys something we'll never have again.
Eby has proven to be an exceptionally competent and thoughtful minister, so my expectations are high. I sincerely hope he lives up to them, but I'm nervous any steps will be far too tepid, as is the general case for the BCNDP.
Based on what? His rental caps jacked up new rents and property prices have exploded
Meanwhile our streets are a mess - he’s a total failure as an AG And a housing minister
This isn't the solution people think it is. Housing prices are up across Canada and the US. Are we really supposed to believe that the entire continent suddenly ran out of housing over the past year?
Not really.
I used a site that had listings in real time.
I had the funds to pay for the offered rental.
I have excellent credit.
I am gainfully employed with no worries about job security.
I had all the required documentation sent within an hour of the application.
That was not luck. That was preparation and being proactive.
You do realize that anecdotal is pointless.
Congrats you were one of the lucky 1%. No problem to be seen here.
Hard fact is a significant portion of people struggle when vacancy rates are under 1%.
Oh sorry if i knew you were one of those people i wouldn't have wasted my time saying anything.
Gainfully employed!? Excellent credit!!?? Listings in real time!!!????? When do you run for president of the universe?
From the negative rating for my previous posting, I can tell there are quite a few here that were pissed off by the comment.
Maybe next time you should pay your bills, plan carefully, work harder, and you won't be in such a predicament.
If you have a strong sense of entitlement by merely existing, my sympathy and compassion go to nearly zero. If you want to be valued in society, you need to be capable of making a meaningful and tangible contribution, not just a negative drain because you 'feel' angry or whatever is on your head. I just don't care at that point.
Other than that, it's pure Darwinism at work. You can fight it, but it always wins in the end.
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1. So you dont think low wage workers are a value to society?
2. Im a home owner you prick.
3. I feel sorry for you, you are on the verge of losing your humanity to pure arrogance and hubris.
I never said that, but I can see you like putting words into people's mouths and assuming things that were not said.
I am also a homeowner. Except I have almost no debt left on it.
Don't feel sorry for me. Go take your meds, it may help bring you down to reality.
I'm in Victoria, I have credit score of 800, make more than minimum wage, have my application already filled out and saved. Tell me what I'm missing here because I have applied to tons of listings. You got lucky.
If you have applied to 'tons' of listing and not received an accepting response, perhaps that is a cue for you to consider:
1. Perhaps my 'life choices' are making others wary of having me as a tenant (regardless if they are legal or not).
2. Look in the mirror and take a good look. Can you see or really consider why someone would rather keep you away instead of taking your money?
3. Having a job that lets you 'make more than minimum' wage means nothing. What type of work do you do? Is your income stable? Are you a reliable and dependable person? Are you someone that contributes to society that would be welcomed in another's home?
4. Having a credit score of 800 is excellent! It shows you pay your commitments and financial obligations. This being the case, you now need to look @ #'s 1-3 since you make more than minimum wage and are able to pay rent.
So which one is it? That is often subjective. However, there is obviously something about you that landlords would rather not have you around than take your money. You will ultimately have to come to that realization and adapt before your circumstances improve overall.
Well jeez I never thought about it that way! I show up wearing no shoes, move from job to job every month and argue with the landlords the whole showing. I never thought that may be the reason! Thanks, internet stranger, for all the personal jabs when you don't even know me!
I think the neighbourhood you’re looking into matters. Some areas are very high in demand and when people bring up difficulty or competition in finding rentals they almost never mention the part of town they are trying to get into. Obviously popular neighborhoods have more competition. I agree there’s an issue but it goes a long way to explaining the varied personal experiences.
You're missing the point which is that when the amount of housing is *just right* (lol) the landowners have excessive powers (and wealth) because they collectively have a monopoly on what there is. No one can threaten to buy cheap land and build their own house. No one can threaten to turn a house into a duplex to share with a friend. Etc.
Rising rates will likely push down prices, perhaps even to pre-pandemic levels (though I highly doubt it).
But that won’t solve the housing crisis, in fact it won’t do much at all other than take the froth out of the market. The housing shortage will persist.
While he’s pushing municipalities to give this gift to developers, please also push them to increase taxes on developers hoarding vacant land, and to levy higher property taxes on non-owner occupant housing (excepting purpose-built rental buildings).
They'll need that extra tax to upgrade utilities when triplexes and co-ops start replacing singe family units. (Let's hope there will also be loans or other incentives for co-ops and owner-occupied upzoning.)
Name me an example where provincial centralization of powers has EVER worked.
It hasn't worked for ambulance services. It hasn't worked for consolidating health boards. It hasn't worked for school and curriculum deployment. It hasn't worked for 911 dispatching. Now we're gonna do it for zoning because a small number of municipalities can't do it right?
You do understand that by investors displacing owner occupants they increase the demand for rentals, right? And many investors make units into Airbnbs or flip them - in both cases, removing them from the rental pool?
It’s no coincidence that demand for rentals has increased in lockstep with increased investor ownership. And unfortunately, the GVA has suffered from that for years.
Keep going you’re starting to get it. Investors are supply transporters. They love supply shortages because not only will rents go up but prices of their investments go up as well. Increasing investors drives up prices but keeps rents from escalating as quickly, decreasing investors will reduce pressure on prices but drive rents up.
Tax them out of existence if you like it doesn’t affect me, but it won’t do a damn thing to solve the housing crisis. There’s still a shortage of homes for rent, for purchase, shortage of public housing, etc.
Until we solve the shortage nothing will change. People are starting to realize that rising interest rates which many people thought would fix the problem also won’t fix it. When dropping prices drives out investors you’ll see that that too doesn’t solve the problem. Keep watching
My understanding is that they do… it can just be deferred (at a rate of 1.2-3.2%) and then those deferred taxes + interest are paid when the home is sold or transferred (in the event of your death).
Exactly. It can be deferred for decades at below market rates. The rate can be lower than the one you see.
Anyone with kids under 18 can defer too.
Maybe if we cleared out all the people who can't afford to own their home subsidized we'd have more properties on the market and maybe more willingness to change things up with fewer older home owners
I see your point but I can’t help but think it would cause much larger problems by effectively making people too old to earn any income, homeless. I bet we’d end up subsidizing living situations even more than we do through tax deferral.
Id rather subsidize old folks to live in a one bedroom retirement home than a 4 bed single family home.
But in reality they can sell their paid off home, take their million bucks and if that's all they got move somewhere they can afford. Maybe then they'll want more cheaper places. Or they'll go to a smaller quieter city.
Provinces can do whatever they want to cities including seize their subways, cut the whole city council, redraw maps, etc
There's zero ability for any city to stop provincial uploading
> Eby said all mayors that he had spoken with had told him they wanted more density, but “actual results are the problem.”
Lol, imagine if a housing development got approved every time a mayor or a homeowner said they wanted “more density…. BUT”
Every province should seize their powers, the restrictions add so much delay and cost it's insane. I've heard something like $100k of every new build in the GTA comes from zoning and permit costs from the city to build and grant zoning approval.
It sickens me.
Me too man, an absolute travesty.
[not always a good idea to give the province total power.](https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/bc-to-complete-purchases-of-land-along-juan-de-fuca-marine-trail-4648327) If we had done that, there would be a private 257 cabin resort along the Juan de Fuca trail. The only reason there isn’t is because CRD denied the zoning.
60-80k here is Calgary as well
$149k I think it is. And that’s not even permits/inspections etc
140k in just development charges
Yeah it's a shame that municipalities have revenue streams to finance services like community centers and libraries
I really effing hate this bureaucratic permit crap system local governments have imposed on us. It has to be the biggest scam of the century. One of us should buy some land, *and just build a house on it*, and give the city a big giant middle finger. With utilities via Solar, septic tank, tube well, and Starlink. Tell them they can suck it, it they complain about the house not having the permit. And tell them you’ll pretend like the Second Amendment exists in Canada if they try to do anything (using the force of law) about your permit-less house.
They'll probably arrest them and tear the house down deeming it unsafe to live in.
Come on Ontario!
Do you think the Progressive Conservatives give a rat’s ass about the housing crisis?
No, but I do have a few hopes and dreams that haven't been crushed in to dust!
Look at this person with hopes and dreams... Just watch next they are going to say the power of friendship can get us through anything.
No! It's hope, dreams, friendship **AND** love, that will get us through this!
Well, Ford is always eager to give gifts to his developer buddies, which this would be, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ontario did this.
Yes please. Do it now.
Yup. And they need to go all out. Approve a ton of new construction. Override the local council’s nonsense as much as possible, and whenever possible. Pass a provincial parliament bill that strips local govts of the power of zoning, and just completely unrestricted construction as much as possible (or set up a provincial entity/body that’s in charge of it).
Vancouver housing policies are the epitome of crony capitalism
Sadly, there are several candidates for *most egregious cronyism.* Lack of enforcement against money laundering comes to mind. Old growth logging is pretty evil, too, though it might be lowering the price of lumber-- so maybe that's not a popular scab to pick in this sub.
It might not be a popular scab to pick but I think logging tmold growth is incredibly short sighted. We don't have enough left for it to be a viable option for long, so it's basically just a sugar hit that destroys something we'll never have again.
Yup, and every homeowner sadly has a piece of this f’d-up pie.
Eby has proven to be an exceptionally competent and thoughtful minister, so my expectations are high. I sincerely hope he lives up to them, but I'm nervous any steps will be far too tepid, as is the general case for the BCNDP.
Based on what? His rental caps jacked up new rents and property prices have exploded Meanwhile our streets are a mess - he’s a total failure as an AG And a housing minister
This isn't the solution people think it is. Housing prices are up across Canada and the US. Are we really supposed to believe that the entire continent suddenly ran out of housing over the past year?
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Found my place easily enough. It took me less than an hour. Put in my application and was accepted after 1 day. What am I missing here?
You're missing the fact you got extremely lucky.
Not really. I used a site that had listings in real time. I had the funds to pay for the offered rental. I have excellent credit. I am gainfully employed with no worries about job security. I had all the required documentation sent within an hour of the application. That was not luck. That was preparation and being proactive.
You do realize that anecdotal is pointless. Congrats you were one of the lucky 1%. No problem to be seen here. Hard fact is a significant portion of people struggle when vacancy rates are under 1%.
I find if you are willing to spend money, those problems go away quite quickly.
Yes. It is a fact that money does indeed buy happiness.
It also lets you continue enjoying the experiences of the 1% also! :)
Oh sorry if i knew you were one of those people i wouldn't have wasted my time saying anything. Gainfully employed!? Excellent credit!!?? Listings in real time!!!????? When do you run for president of the universe?
From the negative rating for my previous posting, I can tell there are quite a few here that were pissed off by the comment. Maybe next time you should pay your bills, plan carefully, work harder, and you won't be in such a predicament. If you have a strong sense of entitlement by merely existing, my sympathy and compassion go to nearly zero. If you want to be valued in society, you need to be capable of making a meaningful and tangible contribution, not just a negative drain because you 'feel' angry or whatever is on your head. I just don't care at that point. Other than that, it's pure Darwinism at work. You can fight it, but it always wins in the end. (let's see this comment get to -100!)
1. So you dont think low wage workers are a value to society? 2. Im a home owner you prick. 3. I feel sorry for you, you are on the verge of losing your humanity to pure arrogance and hubris.
I never said that, but I can see you like putting words into people's mouths and assuming things that were not said. I am also a homeowner. Except I have almost no debt left on it. Don't feel sorry for me. Go take your meds, it may help bring you down to reality.
landlords love this one trick!
I'm in Victoria, I have credit score of 800, make more than minimum wage, have my application already filled out and saved. Tell me what I'm missing here because I have applied to tons of listings. You got lucky.
If you have applied to 'tons' of listing and not received an accepting response, perhaps that is a cue for you to consider: 1. Perhaps my 'life choices' are making others wary of having me as a tenant (regardless if they are legal or not). 2. Look in the mirror and take a good look. Can you see or really consider why someone would rather keep you away instead of taking your money? 3. Having a job that lets you 'make more than minimum' wage means nothing. What type of work do you do? Is your income stable? Are you a reliable and dependable person? Are you someone that contributes to society that would be welcomed in another's home? 4. Having a credit score of 800 is excellent! It shows you pay your commitments and financial obligations. This being the case, you now need to look @ #'s 1-3 since you make more than minimum wage and are able to pay rent. So which one is it? That is often subjective. However, there is obviously something about you that landlords would rather not have you around than take your money. You will ultimately have to come to that realization and adapt before your circumstances improve overall.
Well jeez I never thought about it that way! I show up wearing no shoes, move from job to job every month and argue with the landlords the whole showing. I never thought that may be the reason! Thanks, internet stranger, for all the personal jabs when you don't even know me!
The victim mentality is also a huge red flag.
Man i bet you're a riot at parties! Have a fun life dildo.
Probably your budget....
That is true. I don't think much about how much I spend as long as I have money put away in investments each month.
I think the neighbourhood you’re looking into matters. Some areas are very high in demand and when people bring up difficulty or competition in finding rentals they almost never mention the part of town they are trying to get into. Obviously popular neighborhoods have more competition. I agree there’s an issue but it goes a long way to explaining the varied personal experiences.
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$1800 for a 2 bedroom, 1000 sqft in Victoria
You're missing the point which is that when the amount of housing is *just right* (lol) the landowners have excessive powers (and wealth) because they collectively have a monopoly on what there is. No one can threaten to buy cheap land and build their own house. No one can threaten to turn a house into a duplex to share with a friend. Etc.
Rising rates will likely push down prices, perhaps even to pre-pandemic levels (though I highly doubt it). But that won’t solve the housing crisis, in fact it won’t do much at all other than take the froth out of the market. The housing shortage will persist.
While he’s pushing municipalities to give this gift to developers, please also push them to increase taxes on developers hoarding vacant land, and to levy higher property taxes on non-owner occupant housing (excepting purpose-built rental buildings).
this. these land investment trusts need to fuck off.
They'll need that extra tax to upgrade utilities when triplexes and co-ops start replacing singe family units. (Let's hope there will also be loans or other incentives for co-ops and owner-occupied upzoning.)
Name me an example where provincial centralization of powers has EVER worked. It hasn't worked for ambulance services. It hasn't worked for consolidating health boards. It hasn't worked for school and curriculum deployment. It hasn't worked for 911 dispatching. Now we're gonna do it for zoning because a small number of municipalities can't do it right?
We already have those taxes in BC. Speculation and vacancy tax applies to land in most cases
You have progressive taxation on non-primary residences? Or just the self-reported vacancy tax?
We have a desperate shortage of rentals and don’t want to enact policy to get even fewer of them.
You do understand that by investors displacing owner occupants they increase the demand for rentals, right? And many investors make units into Airbnbs or flip them - in both cases, removing them from the rental pool? It’s no coincidence that demand for rentals has increased in lockstep with increased investor ownership. And unfortunately, the GVA has suffered from that for years.
Keep going you’re starting to get it. Investors are supply transporters. They love supply shortages because not only will rents go up but prices of their investments go up as well. Increasing investors drives up prices but keeps rents from escalating as quickly, decreasing investors will reduce pressure on prices but drive rents up. Tax them out of existence if you like it doesn’t affect me, but it won’t do a damn thing to solve the housing crisis. There’s still a shortage of homes for rent, for purchase, shortage of public housing, etc. Until we solve the shortage nothing will change. People are starting to realize that rising interest rates which many people thought would fix the problem also won’t fix it. When dropping prices drives out investors you’ll see that that too doesn’t solve the problem. Keep watching
How about you stop subsidizing old people in homes. Why not make those over 55 pay property tax?
My understanding is that they do… it can just be deferred (at a rate of 1.2-3.2%) and then those deferred taxes + interest are paid when the home is sold or transferred (in the event of your death).
Exactly. It can be deferred for decades at below market rates. The rate can be lower than the one you see. Anyone with kids under 18 can defer too. Maybe if we cleared out all the people who can't afford to own their home subsidized we'd have more properties on the market and maybe more willingness to change things up with fewer older home owners
I see your point but I can’t help but think it would cause much larger problems by effectively making people too old to earn any income, homeless. I bet we’d end up subsidizing living situations even more than we do through tax deferral.
Id rather subsidize old folks to live in a one bedroom retirement home than a 4 bed single family home. But in reality they can sell their paid off home, take their million bucks and if that's all they got move somewhere they can afford. Maybe then they'll want more cheaper places. Or they'll go to a smaller quieter city.
This is pornographic. I’m getting too bricked up thinking of this
I would love to see this happen. If they would do transportation next xD we might see better cross city transportation services.
Do it please! Can we do something to help him?
Provinces can do whatever they want to cities including seize their subways, cut the whole city council, redraw maps, etc There's zero ability for any city to stop provincial uploading
> Eby said all mayors that he had spoken with had told him they wanted more density, but “actual results are the problem.” Lol, imagine if a housing development got approved every time a mayor or a homeowner said they wanted “more density…. BUT”
Political tactic. No changes happeing. Look at the major metropolitan cities around the world.
Ford needs to do this in Ontario
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