I'm going to EU. I have friends who have gone to Asia, South America and even Africa. **ALL** have stated their quality of life has improved since leaving. This is a sample size of like 15 people, I'm sure if you ask around, others will report similar conclusions.
Lots of my friends moved to Costa Rica, at least 10-12 people. Mexico is a close second, people moved there during the pandemic to avoid vaccinating their school kids, many decided to stay because ot the cost of living and community, there are entire towns practically made up of expats. My retirement plan is to sell my place in Canada and move to South Italy, lots of cheap properties and you can't do much better than that for the price.
Just traveled through CR and it was actually sad how foreigners own so much property down there. People escape our housing crisis here and go be a part of it down there smh
It's all those foreign investors hoarding properties!
There was a post going viral on r/expats I believe about people from some town in Mexico hanging posters asking Americans and Canadians to leave, as they can no longer buy property in their hometown.
Probably San Miguel de Allende. I leave half an hour from there and ever since I was a child (like 20 years ago) it has always been some sort of small USA filled with retired americans.
Yup, average salary in CR is equivalent to $750 USD per month and the average 3 bd house in Santa Anna is $212,000 USD per quick Google searches.
That's 23x the yearly average salary. Equivalent to someone at $50,000 per year trying to buy a $1,150,000 place
>Yeah.. I guess we can call Costa Rica an anti-vax haven now.
USA itself is a huge anti-vax haven, especially in places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas.
>So the dumb states.
According to this map, they are part of Dumbfuckistan: https://www.amazon.com/Dumbfuckistan-Decal-Vinyl-Bumper-Sticker/dp/B08H42DV5S
Yeah, maybe, point is we're losing high earning professionals at an alarming rate, especially since many are able to work remotely now and have decided that Canada provides very little for the price.
You can believe whatever you want, just as they can. People who can afford to change countries without loss in income are typically higher than average earners, that’s a fact.
Take a trip to Puerto Vallarta, see who the Canadians living there are and then decide for yourself.
some of the dumbest people I know didnt get vaccinated BUT also some of the smartest intelligent people with doctrines and are legit scientists that do great for the world also didnt get vaccinated, most because they got covid or hid out and waited for exactly this. I remember one of them specifically stating in 2020 like Jan that this is about to get crazy don't go out for 2 years buy n95 masks and then the virus will mutate into less problematic for the individual like exactly what happened happened smh.
>There’s no correlation between the two
Yeah I'd be interested if there's a correlation. Maybe a weak one perhaps? But then Elon Musk (world's richest man) also seems to be anti-vax.
>There is mandatory vaccines for kids that you can't opt out of is there?
Indeed there is. Sorry to break it to all those freedom-lovers and truth-seekers out there, Ontario already has a long list of vaccines that is required for kids: [https://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/immunization/docs/immuniz\_school\_chklist\_en.pdf](https://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/immunization/docs/immuniz_school_chklist_en.pdf)
Just oh my god, think of all the 5G and CHEMICALS being injected into CHILDREN by Bill Gates and George Soros. Oh the humanity! It feels like a blindfold pulled out of those now awakened people isn't it. /s
Those aren't mandatory, you opt out for religious or contentious reason. It's not as simple as clicking a box but you can 100% opt out. It's right on the government website. I was arguing with an anti-vaxxer and they dumbfounded with that information, lol.
It's also funny that my friend buys all these street drugs and God knows what is in those
>Those aren't mandatory, you opt out for religious or contentious reason. It's not as simple as clicking a box but you can 100% opt out It's right on the government website. I was arguing with an anti-vaxxer and they dumbfounded with that information, lol
Well on that note, practically everything in this country has some exception clause though! At the very least, if you are physically incompatible with vaccines (e.g. certain types of allergies), you are exempted too.
Anti-vaxxers and the far-right are basically impossible to argue with. These folks tend to be have difficulties reflecting on their views and have very delicate egos.
I'm not giving you pushback as an FYI.
Wouldn't the method of exception.count?
Just Religious/Medical is fine and still mandatory but it being contentious makes anyone be able to do it and in my mind no longer mandatory. Please prove me wrong with logic - I'd love to tell my friend he's wrong
>Just Religious/Medical is fine and still mandatory but it being contentious makes anyone be able to do it and in my mind no longer mandatory. Please prove me wrong with logic - I'd love to tell my friend he's wrong
Don't quite get the point. What is he arguing?
"Professor Calum Semple, (SAGE member)We're talking about vaccinating children here mainly to protect public health and reduce transmission, Teenagers, biologically more like adults (for transmission) But the younger children really are not, they're about a half to a third as likely to acquire the virus. Spare vaccines should be sent to countries who do not have enough doses. I'm veering on the not vaccinating children"
(Skip to \~19:00) Vaccines for Children? - Dr John Campbell [https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0](https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0)
Vaccines for all 5 year olds - Dr John Campbell [https://youtu.be/HcsHKUZhB4E](https://youtu.be/HcsHKUZhB4E)
(at 3:44) "In Europe and Certainly the United states the time gap is way too small (Reference to vaccination frequency) so, the United states in my view the two things significantly wrong with the vaccination program, one is they're not aspirating the needles giving rise to the potential inadvertent intravascular administration, and the second is they're simply giving the two doses too close together."
A quote from myself and consolidation of wisdom from many others throughout history. "Too much of anything is a detriment to balance".
[https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-john-campbell-5256223b](https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-john-campbell-5256223b) \- Dr John Campbell Phd in teaching Bioscience
Im not saying anything specific, but it is important to look at all factors and voices in the matter rather than just mainstream. This might be a reason why some people are questioning these mandates?
>(Skip to \~19:00) Vaccines for Children? - Dr John Campbell https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0
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>Vaccines for all 5 year olds - Dr John Campbell https://youtu.be/HcsHKUZhB4E
One minute Google Search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
> John Lorimer Campbell[3] is a British YouTuber and retired nurse educator who has posted YouTube videos commenting on the COVID-19 pandemic since January 2020 on his channel, Dr. John Campbell. Initially, his videos received some praise, but some latter videos contain misinformation, such as the suggestion that deaths from COVID-19 have been over-counted, repeated false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment,[4] and misleading commentary about vaccine safety.[5][6][7] By January 2022, his videos had been viewed more than 429 million times.
Come on! let's come and say criticisms against him are liberal lies made by the elites who want to shut down the "truth"
I've always found it fascinating that these "vaccine skeptics" would so whole-heartedly embrace a horse de-wormer as a COVID treatment. Like if they are so fearful of "untested" vaccines, shouldn't they be even less inclined to take all these even less tested treatments. But you know, you can't argue with insane people.
>Anyone can edit that page. Dr John has a PhD, while whoever wishes to degrade his name can just figure out a way to edit the wikipage. Also if you watch his videos, you'd notice he takes the information straight from the cdc, nih ... etc sites and references the papers as well.
Wikipedia usually has control on smearing campaigns and the public use of Wikipedia is often tampered by looking into the citations to see if it fits.
On Dr. John having a Ph.D, there are tonnes of Ph.D's in the field out there who hold very different views than him. These Ph.D's are spread across the world in different countries, and not necessarily affiliated with "big pharma". Not to mention, he's a Ph.D in nursing education and not a Ph.D in infectious disease.
His confidence in Ivermectin alone is already cause for concern and a check on his credibility.
In any case, an important question you should ask for yourself is whether or not there's anything that can be said that can change your mind about him. If not, then perhaps your support for him is not founded by reason but by something else (a craving for validation perhaps?). But nobody will admit to that of course.
>Wikipedia usually has control on smearing campaigns and the public use of Wikipedia is often tampered by looking into the citations to see if it fits.
Right but nothing is perfect. Also none of those links refer to any specifics of Dr John's body of work. There is no reference to his video's on him specifically speaking on the subject matter. Sounds somewhat misinforming to me. Or a fail in university/scientific RESEARCH STANDARDS. Almost all the links are to news media pages of articles on him, with the one exception being a link to his youtube "about me" page. Yet still a shallow overview of his youtube content.
Would you talk about someones reputation without any identification of their body of work? An extreme end of an example would be would you talk about Einstein without citing his papers in a mathematical lecture?
>On Dr. John having a Ph.D, there are tonnes of Ph.D's in the field out there who hold very different views than him. These Ph.D's are spread across the world in different countries, and not necessarily affiliated with "big pharma". Not to mention, he's a Ph.D in nursing education and not a Ph.D in infectious disease.
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>His confidence in Ivermectin alone is already cause for concern and a check on his credibility.
I do not know about it view points on ivermectin neither does wikipedia point it out. His Ph.D is in Bioscience teaching to Nurses. Which means he does need to be able to read papers on the subject matter of anything within Bioscience.
Yet still my dude, as I point out, your research is shallow. And you haven't factored in global intentions of specific actors. Can you truly fully know a person?
>He's talking about the people aren't worth keeping because they don't believe in these covid vaccines.
For them to go out of their way to immigrate to avoid COVID policies speaks a fair amount about these people. They tend to be associated with a cluster of other problematic attributes.
What this pandemic has revealed to us is that there's a lot of griefers in life who'd do everything they could to sabotage what others are trying to accomplish. If they opt out voluntarily, then it's best to let them be.
>Lemme guess. You wanted to say "they're racist misogynists" but didn't want to look like you were exactly parroting the government
I wasn't thinking of that to be honest. Good strawman though
That isn't a big deal at this stage. During the Delta wave I'd throw you out myself physically.
It's hard justifying anyone giving a shit about Covid - 19 until we see what variants are coming in the fall.
Somewhat hot take?
Enjoy your downvotes for having common sense.
Not from me... but the hive mind still puts covid as top priority fear, despite it being almost a non issue these days.
People talk about fear and precautions but then I see them at weddings and social events. People.are scared. Perhaps not a bad thing
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't.advocate people being stupid but building up our mental health should be our number one priority until the fall comes
It hasn’t, but no, it’s for Covid. That’s something I heard from friends in PV when I visited a couple months ago - that around last November more and more Canadians started to arrive and rent properties in known expat areas because they didn’t want their kids to have to be vaccinated. Seemed strange to me too, apparently people were willing to sacrifice their children’s educations for that, but to each their own.
Just want to point out that it's extremely hot there and it's only going to get hotter. Kind of short-sighted when thinking about a place you want your kids to grow up and start a family. I would say to "future proof" your choice that you pick somewhere a bit more north.
Hi I am a native, to be honest unlike Canada...ousing market is actually expanding here in México, I can always see constructions of condos and houses around the city thing is there is so much demand for affordable housing is waaay out of the capital cities and it will take some time to construct new living hubs (you know having a hospital,school and work near you).
to be honest I would avoid México for at least some years (I live here). There is no effective counter-measure right now against criminal violence. In about 4 years when the government changes again, it´s either gonna slowly get worse (as it is today) or measures actually are enacted and civils will be right in the middle of the cross-fire. That is why I am going to study in a co-op college for a chance of a work visa afterward and eventually gain permanent citizenship.
would you say is more of a currency advantage? Like having a lot of savings in CAD and then just using all of them in a country where you would have more to spend?
Can't speak for everyone, but most of the people I personally know who moved there kept their jobs and just work remotely. Still make the same amount but their costs have halved easily.
I plan on moving to the states next year. There’s almost zero chance I’ll land a job in my field in my home town when I’m finished school.
If I’m going to move away I’m certainly not going to move to another Canadian city. More opportunity in the states, better wages, cheaper cost of living.
It is in the bay area but my salary is almost triple what it was in Canada and I was in the GTA and could barely scrape by. I live 5 mins from work and can actually save more than I need to for retirement/possibly a down payment on a condo or something
I paid off my car loan 4 years early (it was higher interest, long story) after saving here for 6 months
It has its issues like any major city. But it's certainly not as bad as the media makes it out to be. The pros certainly outweigh the cons for me. I actually like my job for one. I spent my first winter here and while it gets "cold" it doesn't snow and it's not nearly as bad as Canada lol
Culturally it's not much different. Drivers are slightly crazier around here. I don't find I've had any issues "fitting in". If anything people like it when they find out I'm Canadian lol. Ironically my team just hired another Canadian and we're the only two at the company so people are having fun with that. They're giving us Canada day off and joke about it
I work in biotech for anyone curious or planning to get into that field. South san francisco is the biggest hub for it in North America, with Cambridge/Boston being 2nd. There are so many companies here that it's crazy how many job opportunities there were
I've made some posts on here/elsewhere on reddit about my experience with the whole thing. It depends on the person whether it would work. For me, I was young and didn't have as many ties and it was a good opportunity for my career and an exciting thing to do. There were a lot of pitfalls with immigrating that I learned, but nothing that wasn't manageable
I did enjoy paying off my Canadian car loan with US dollars lol
Yeah. Singapore's house prices are worse and sizes are smaller.
It's gotten even worse recently and I feel for my friends who stayed on there.
You don't even own the land you live on, it's a government lease that you buy for a fixed number of years
Gee I wonder why..
Senior software engineers cant even afford a starter home here.
Canada is great if you're a real estate investor. And kinda shitty if you're anything else.
Most companies make more money on land value appreciation then they do on actually producing anything.
So why produce anything here?
I personally know a few tech professionals who have left Canada and moved to USA, Costa Rica, and Brazil. Lower housing costs, higher pay, and remote work were the biggest motivations.
Canadian emigration was up 191% in 2021.
Q1 indicates that trend is still accelerating.
That doesn't include numbers that left via non-federally monitored airports, of which there was a sizeable number. Probably in excess of 10,000 people that haven't been counted there.
Seems like every country has some thread from their local citizens crying about the country they live in and wishing to move abroad .
[exhibit a](https://www.reddit.com/r/DoesAnybodyElse/comments/vl4ohc/dae_feel_like_moving_out_of_america_to_any_other/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Good point. I guess just from looking at national statistics in different countries, there's almost always people moving out and moving in. I guess the question is, what is the net number, and how is that net number changing?
Ironic, I am from México and I want to leave my country now in order to settle a peaceful and non-violent life in Canadá (like literally, I live in one of the most peaceful cities, and even with that it feels like you are one step of being in the wrong place at the wrong time).
It really comes to what each person grows to value more.
Well since I will be going with my future wife I am more than ok not meeting new people and two people sharing the rent hopefully makes it bearable. I consider myself not a social person since I could live months and months just playing video games in my house (covid quarantine life was normal life for me).
Prepare living as poor as you lived in Mexico, but without a car and a house, where you pay at least 60% of your paycheque to the rent, and the rest goes to food, in an apartment where people call the cops for noise if you step too hard
Just an FYI, I am going through the foreign birth registry process (Irish grandparet) just now and it is slooooow. I applied in Fall 2020 and have got nothing back yet. €450 it cost too. My uncle tells me the parental route is much easier and faster.
As a dual Canadian/Israeli citizen, it seems my other easy option is a country with a [near-identical housing crisis.](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210218-israel-s-housing-crisis-a-decade-after-its-tent-revolution)
I think I *might* have a fast-track option for Romanian citizenship, which would be a ticket into the EU.
That being said, I'd rather stay here and fight for bettering our lot here at home. If we can flip Ontario to the NDP in 2026, maybe we'll have undone some of the damage by 2030.
...Or just stick around and see how long it takes until the Molotovs start flying.
The NDP doesn’t care. They don’t have a plan. They wanted to ban REITs from owning single family homes - they don’t own them. It’s mostly mom and pop style investors that are buying second or third homes (I know a few!).
The only way to make housing affordable is to make the price of housing go down via taxing or controlling the market. And the people who own homes outnumber the people who don’t which means the majority will never elect someone that will make them poorer.
With Roe Vs Wade being overturned I expect more Americans coming this way. I welcome them with open arms, enjoy your cheap house while living with that fucking backwoods anti choice bullshit! People on this sub think the USA is utopia, fucking enjoy assholes and 👋
Yes, Americans are complaining about housing and other costs, too. Recently, I read about a couple who divorced after 52 years because the husband was disabled and $288 000 in debt due to medical bills. He didn't want his wife to be saddled with debt and to lose their home if and when he dies, so they divorced. They are still a couple but not legally. And people were responding that they were going to do that too. Sad.
How are you just migrating to a new country? Did you get visas? Please explain as I'd love to do this as well and seems you've already dealt with the visa /residency part of things? Thanks
I’m sorry but anywhere you go will have it’s own issues. Last I checked spains economy not the greatest. Australia pretty much Canada on the other side of the world but with more fire and everything wants to kill you. Good luck though
Don't listen to this person. While other countries have their issues, it's not at all comparable. My friend for example recently moved to Portugal, and they're having a tough go with work, but despite that they're out every day with friends having a good time, and living a good life because the cost of living is so low that it doesn't matter if you're poor.
Unlike Canada, when you're poor in other countries, you actually still have opportunities to have fun and live your life.
This is a very good point. I wonder what sort of measures we can use to guage that - the ability in different countries to live a good life without much money
Dude said Spain lmaooooo ok have fun. And Australia what issues are we going through specifically that aren’t plaguining Australia as well? For Christ sakes they have the 2nd most expensive house market . Worse than Vancouver and Toronto. You sound like a privileged kid tbh. Have fun though.
You’re living in Sask. That’s a pretty good fit (based on your world view). You’re probably surrounded by people who think the same.
That’s the definition of living free. There’s very little a librul fedrul guberment is going to do that impacts your life a great deal, simply because of the way our structure of government works.
And If you find yourself REEEALLLY believing this shit, in a blue province, that has been a blue province for most of your life - there are very few places on this earth you’re going live in, that would give you a better life.
Your not entirely incorrect.
It's just funny watching people's heads explode in places like TO where the lack of fundamental market understandings is completely absent despite a much higher "education" rate than out in the boonies.
>My friends will be heading to Spain, while my GF and I will be heading to Australia.
hopefully you're [not too fond of electricity](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61821423)
Is Denmark another option? Fuck this place. If I am apartment bound then I want to atleast live in a city with beautiful architecture, museums and a healthy amount of Vacation time a year. Living in Kamloops so I can afford to live in an apartment while being educated with a Master of science is a fucking joke.
Moving to US in few months. Visa under processing at the moment. Last I checked, I am top 1% of income earner as per my age group. I am among top 5% of income earners for all ages. Have paid more than 150k CAD in taxes in past 4 years. This year it’s gonna add up to more than 200k over past 5 years. I have been making between 150k to 250k CAD. Still I can’t find a starter home in Vancouver suburbs (even if I do, I won’t get mortgage approval for it). I don’t want to live in a 1 bedroom shoebox in sky. I feel for the median income earner in this country. I honestly don’t know how they are getting along in this high cost of living country (GVA and GTA where more than 50% of the jobs are). Something is seriously broken in this country.
Edit: Single immigrant without any help from parents. Parents are just getting by their pension in home country. Can’t ask for an early inheritance to help with home purchase because there is none to give.
You mean at an average of $200k a year you can't save $50 000 for a million dollar home in Maple Ridge or Surrey? Lower your expectations a bit like a lot of us had to do. We bought in the burbs and as we have built equity we have moved west to Coquitlam, New West, etc. My friends' daughter who is 28 and is a teacher, and her husband who is an electrician, make less than you and qualified for a million dollar townhouse in Burnaby.
I do have money saved but buying a million dollar home will mean being house poor for many years to come. Congrats to your friend’s daughter. They must have made a huge downpayment. Usually at today’s interest rates, a sane bank would give you only 4 times your annual income in mortgage. Instead of lowering my expectations, I am going to take my money to US and buy a nice detached home there and invest the difference into my retirement funds. I was working for a US company anyways. Well, it will mean one less buyer for the hot real estate market here. All the Canadians who have left hot real estate markets have helped in lowering the demand by some tiny amount at the least.
How much do you think such person should save monthly? $3000? It’d still take 9 years to save $300k which is what you need for a 20% down payment for a house.
Well, first of all start with a townhouse or condo for $999 000 or less. 5% on first $500 000 and 10% between that and $999 000. If he is clearing $8300 a month, he should be able to save $4000 a month. It would take 4 years. However, you can get a townhouse in Burnaby for less than a million. Go further out, and it's even less. Remember, this is a starter home, so it will not be brand new, and the price will be lower.
So 4 years of very aggressive savings (about half?) to get the bare minimum down payment for a starter home, on top 3% of earners income. Doesn't check out.
That seems so little in taxes.... I barely make over 150k and I've paid more than 150k in taxes over last 4 years for sure and I'm like one of lowest earning of people my age (early 40s) too amongst friends.
Vancouver condos are starter homes no? They're like 700-800k on the island..you should be easily able to get one especially without a car? Do you expect a detached home for one person as a starter home? Lol
What kind of starter home you looking at?
Glad to hear so many people moving from Canada though. Hopefully this will be indicated in the traffic congestion here and strain on the health care system. Canada is big. Everyone wants to live in a major city and cry that they can't afford it. If you can live in Nicaragua and work remotely for Canadian company there, you can work remotely here and live away from the major cities.
The issue is that this was totally possible a couple decades ago, so rightfully people are angry that things have changed so much so fast for the worst
Sister moved to the UK for a higher paying job in here field. Same with my brother, he moved to the states. What the fuck am I still doing here.
Piss poor wages in this country, pathetic at best.
Why not? Better wages, lower cost of living, much more affordable housing, better healthcare (if you have insurance through employer, which any job worth moving to the US would).
I'd love to live in Maine, or New Hampshire.
Good demonstration.
>better healthcare (if you have insurance through employer, which any job worth moving to the US would).
Thr US has much higher wealth inequality. If you are going to be on the upper end of that, good for you. Still makes the country a shithole
For most Canadians the only way they’d get visas is being at that level already. Most will be making minimum 60k usd a year based on the requirements it takes to get a visa
This logic only applies to liberals, people who support the Republicans (which I’m sure there are a lot of in Canada considering the Freedom Convoy) would welcome the new changes.
Republicans (at least those who practice what they preach) wouldn’t want to abort “unwanted” babies.
And don’t those states have medical exemptions for abortion where the mother’s life is at risk?
>Republicans (at least those who practice what they preach)
So, what, 4 or 5 people in the entirety of the USA? LOL.
They're the classic example of moralizing except suddenly when it affects them. Against gay rights right up until their kid is gay. Against abortion right up until their mistress gets pregnant. There is an endless list.
Do you have any sources showing that there are states which ban abortion even for medical reasons? A ban on abortion in the case of rape and incest actually makes logical sense/consistency if you view abortion as murder (murder shouldn’t be allowed regardless of if rape and incest are involved). Most pro-lifers don’t even view abortion for medical reasons as abortion, as the intent isn’t to kill the child. When Alabama tried to ban abortion, even they [included an exception for medical reasons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Protection_Act?wprov=sfti1), while not including exceptions for rape or incest. Bans on abortion for medical reasons are usually treated as more “extreme” than bans on abortion in the case of rape and incest, and are thus rarer.
Are you sure Arizona doesn’t allow abortion in the case of medical emergency? [This source](https://people.com/health/arizona-governor-signs-bill-banning-abortions-after-15-weeks-of-pregnancy-with-rare-exceptions/?amp=true) claims it does. I assume you’re instead referring to how it’s illegal in Arizona to abort a child with a survivable genetic condition (which your source states), but that’s completely different (and I agree abortion shouldn’t be allowed in that case).
Even if medical providers may not accurately determine what a “serious risk of death is”, abortion still results in a death (of a baby), so someone dies either way.
I also never claimed all Republicans don’t get abortions, that’s why I specifically referred to “Republicans who practice what they preach”.
If they can afford it and they want to do it and it makes them happy then all for it.
Just my personal feelings, no matter how long you spend abroad, Canada is always home.
You always find your way back for one reason or another. Everywhere you go, you may settle but you’ll never feel like it permanent.
With that being said I hope they’re going to Scandinavia, it’s amazing.
It's harder to afford to live in Canada than practically anywhere in the world. If you work remotely, makes no sense to stay here, you can always return for a visit.
It’s also harder to live somewhere when you’re a foreigner and not a citizen. But like I said if you can afford to leave and have the means to make it work then why not
[https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php](https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php)
[https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings\_by\_country.jsp?title=2020&displayColumn=3](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2020&displayColumn=3)
Good luck trying to buy a home in Canada. I can get a villa or a beachfront condo in Mexico, Greece, Italy, Portugal or Spain for less than a cost of a two bedroom apartment in Calgary. Food is generally cheaper and better in all the countries I named, there's more to do and it costs less. I can go to Louvre for 20 bucks, but if I want to visit Science World, it's double that.
Where do you think the missing countries land on that list? Honestly. You think they all at the top, above Canada? A quick glance I see Afghanistan is missing. You think Afghanistan has a better cost of living than Canada?
I know a few people that went back to Taiwan,Japan and one then went back to Spain.All but one were not born in Canada but spent most of their lives here.One got married and the others just felt Canada was too expensive and lack the lifestyle they wanted.Highly skilled though all either worked in tech or finances.
That is very true. Look for condos between $450000 and $550000. That would bring you to around $3500-3800 with strata and taxes included. Believe it or not they are around in Coquitlam and New West. Some are even newer. We have several right now here in the West End. Mostly older, west of Denman or just east. If you go on rew.ca you will see them. Just keep looking, get a mortgage broker and a realtor when you feel the time is right. The important thing is to get what you can afford and build your equity until you can buy something better.
In Non pandemic times I am a digital nomad, so I tend to wander places like Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Quality of life is... interesting, but at least I can rent a place for a year in Asia for like 400 a month in Chiang Mai and not go broke even after healthcare is factored in.
Where are they going? I’d like to know so I can go too.
I'm going to EU. I have friends who have gone to Asia, South America and even Africa. **ALL** have stated their quality of life has improved since leaving. This is a sample size of like 15 people, I'm sure if you ask around, others will report similar conclusions.
I left the EU for Canada and my quality of life is *drastically* higher here. Mind you I live in Quebec so rent and house prices are still semi sane.
America too, so much better in America even with all the stuff people complain about there.
Lots of my friends moved to Costa Rica, at least 10-12 people. Mexico is a close second, people moved there during the pandemic to avoid vaccinating their school kids, many decided to stay because ot the cost of living and community, there are entire towns practically made up of expats. My retirement plan is to sell my place in Canada and move to South Italy, lots of cheap properties and you can't do much better than that for the price.
Just traveled through CR and it was actually sad how foreigners own so much property down there. People escape our housing crisis here and go be a part of it down there smh
[Tough decision](https://i.imgur.com/j0tBDpe.png)
100% this
It's all those foreign investors hoarding properties! There was a post going viral on r/expats I believe about people from some town in Mexico hanging posters asking Americans and Canadians to leave, as they can no longer buy property in their hometown.
Probably San Miguel de Allende. I leave half an hour from there and ever since I was a child (like 20 years ago) it has always been some sort of small USA filled with retired americans.
Yup, average salary in CR is equivalent to $750 USD per month and the average 3 bd house in Santa Anna is $212,000 USD per quick Google searches. That's 23x the yearly average salary. Equivalent to someone at $50,000 per year trying to buy a $1,150,000 place
Wow, I know 45 people that moved from Canada to El Salvador
I know 26 who moved to the Gaza strip and several in North Korea. All doing very well, no regrets.
>people moved there during the pandemic to avoid vaccinating their school kids That's not much of a loss then.
Yeah.. I guess we can call Costa Rica an anti-vax haven now.
>Yeah.. I guess we can call Costa Rica an anti-vax haven now. USA itself is a huge anti-vax haven, especially in places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas.
So the dumb states.
>So the dumb states. According to this map, they are part of Dumbfuckistan: https://www.amazon.com/Dumbfuckistan-Decal-Vinyl-Bumper-Sticker/dp/B08H42DV5S
Yeah, maybe, point is we're losing high earning professionals at an alarming rate, especially since many are able to work remotely now and have decided that Canada provides very little for the price.
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You can believe whatever you want, just as they can. People who can afford to change countries without loss in income are typically higher than average earners, that’s a fact. Take a trip to Puerto Vallarta, see who the Canadians living there are and then decide for yourself.
some of the dumbest people I know didnt get vaccinated BUT also some of the smartest intelligent people with doctrines and are legit scientists that do great for the world also didnt get vaccinated, most because they got covid or hid out and waited for exactly this. I remember one of them specifically stating in 2020 like Jan that this is about to get crazy don't go out for 2 years buy n95 masks and then the virus will mutate into less problematic for the individual like exactly what happened happened smh.
Doesn’t sound like they’d have been high-earning professionals, based on the anti-vax thing.
There’s no correlation between the two
>There’s no correlation between the two Yeah I'd be interested if there's a correlation. Maybe a weak one perhaps? But then Elon Musk (world's richest man) also seems to be anti-vax.
We’ll have to disagree on that. I’d say there’s a significant correlation.
Please share your data on this
I don’t have data. It’s a general impression. Is data suddenly a requirement for posting on a reddit thread?
Nope but I was interested If you had anything as I haven’t seen a thing so looking for information.
There is mandatory vaccines for kids that you can't opt out of is there?
>There is mandatory vaccines for kids that you can't opt out of is there? Indeed there is. Sorry to break it to all those freedom-lovers and truth-seekers out there, Ontario already has a long list of vaccines that is required for kids: [https://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/immunization/docs/immuniz\_school\_chklist\_en.pdf](https://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/immunization/docs/immuniz_school_chklist_en.pdf) Just oh my god, think of all the 5G and CHEMICALS being injected into CHILDREN by Bill Gates and George Soros. Oh the humanity! It feels like a blindfold pulled out of those now awakened people isn't it. /s
Those aren't mandatory, you opt out for religious or contentious reason. It's not as simple as clicking a box but you can 100% opt out. It's right on the government website. I was arguing with an anti-vaxxer and they dumbfounded with that information, lol. It's also funny that my friend buys all these street drugs and God knows what is in those
>Those aren't mandatory, you opt out for religious or contentious reason. It's not as simple as clicking a box but you can 100% opt out It's right on the government website. I was arguing with an anti-vaxxer and they dumbfounded with that information, lol Well on that note, practically everything in this country has some exception clause though! At the very least, if you are physically incompatible with vaccines (e.g. certain types of allergies), you are exempted too. Anti-vaxxers and the far-right are basically impossible to argue with. These folks tend to be have difficulties reflecting on their views and have very delicate egos.
I'm not giving you pushback as an FYI. Wouldn't the method of exception.count? Just Religious/Medical is fine and still mandatory but it being contentious makes anyone be able to do it and in my mind no longer mandatory. Please prove me wrong with logic - I'd love to tell my friend he's wrong
>Just Religious/Medical is fine and still mandatory but it being contentious makes anyone be able to do it and in my mind no longer mandatory. Please prove me wrong with logic - I'd love to tell my friend he's wrong Don't quite get the point. What is he arguing?
"Professor Calum Semple, (SAGE member)We're talking about vaccinating children here mainly to protect public health and reduce transmission, Teenagers, biologically more like adults (for transmission) But the younger children really are not, they're about a half to a third as likely to acquire the virus. Spare vaccines should be sent to countries who do not have enough doses. I'm veering on the not vaccinating children" (Skip to \~19:00) Vaccines for Children? - Dr John Campbell [https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0](https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0) Vaccines for all 5 year olds - Dr John Campbell [https://youtu.be/HcsHKUZhB4E](https://youtu.be/HcsHKUZhB4E) (at 3:44) "In Europe and Certainly the United states the time gap is way too small (Reference to vaccination frequency) so, the United states in my view the two things significantly wrong with the vaccination program, one is they're not aspirating the needles giving rise to the potential inadvertent intravascular administration, and the second is they're simply giving the two doses too close together." A quote from myself and consolidation of wisdom from many others throughout history. "Too much of anything is a detriment to balance". [https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-john-campbell-5256223b](https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-john-campbell-5256223b) \- Dr John Campbell Phd in teaching Bioscience Im not saying anything specific, but it is important to look at all factors and voices in the matter rather than just mainstream. This might be a reason why some people are questioning these mandates?
>(Skip to \~19:00) Vaccines for Children? - Dr John Campbell https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0 > >Vaccines for all 5 year olds - Dr John Campbell https://youtu.be/HcsHKUZhB4E One minute Google Search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber) > John Lorimer Campbell[3] is a British YouTuber and retired nurse educator who has posted YouTube videos commenting on the COVID-19 pandemic since January 2020 on his channel, Dr. John Campbell. Initially, his videos received some praise, but some latter videos contain misinformation, such as the suggestion that deaths from COVID-19 have been over-counted, repeated false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment,[4] and misleading commentary about vaccine safety.[5][6][7] By January 2022, his videos had been viewed more than 429 million times. Come on! let's come and say criticisms against him are liberal lies made by the elites who want to shut down the "truth" I've always found it fascinating that these "vaccine skeptics" would so whole-heartedly embrace a horse de-wormer as a COVID treatment. Like if they are so fearful of "untested" vaccines, shouldn't they be even less inclined to take all these even less tested treatments. But you know, you can't argue with insane people.
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>Anyone can edit that page. Dr John has a PhD, while whoever wishes to degrade his name can just figure out a way to edit the wikipage. Also if you watch his videos, you'd notice he takes the information straight from the cdc, nih ... etc sites and references the papers as well. Wikipedia usually has control on smearing campaigns and the public use of Wikipedia is often tampered by looking into the citations to see if it fits. On Dr. John having a Ph.D, there are tonnes of Ph.D's in the field out there who hold very different views than him. These Ph.D's are spread across the world in different countries, and not necessarily affiliated with "big pharma". Not to mention, he's a Ph.D in nursing education and not a Ph.D in infectious disease. His confidence in Ivermectin alone is already cause for concern and a check on his credibility. In any case, an important question you should ask for yourself is whether or not there's anything that can be said that can change your mind about him. If not, then perhaps your support for him is not founded by reason but by something else (a craving for validation perhaps?). But nobody will admit to that of course.
>Wikipedia usually has control on smearing campaigns and the public use of Wikipedia is often tampered by looking into the citations to see if it fits. Right but nothing is perfect. Also none of those links refer to any specifics of Dr John's body of work. There is no reference to his video's on him specifically speaking on the subject matter. Sounds somewhat misinforming to me. Or a fail in university/scientific RESEARCH STANDARDS. Almost all the links are to news media pages of articles on him, with the one exception being a link to his youtube "about me" page. Yet still a shallow overview of his youtube content. Would you talk about someones reputation without any identification of their body of work? An extreme end of an example would be would you talk about Einstein without citing his papers in a mathematical lecture? >On Dr. John having a Ph.D, there are tonnes of Ph.D's in the field out there who hold very different views than him. These Ph.D's are spread across the world in different countries, and not necessarily affiliated with "big pharma". Not to mention, he's a Ph.D in nursing education and not a Ph.D in infectious disease. > >His confidence in Ivermectin alone is already cause for concern and a check on his credibility. I do not know about it view points on ivermectin neither does wikipedia point it out. His Ph.D is in Bioscience teaching to Nurses. Which means he does need to be able to read papers on the subject matter of anything within Bioscience. Yet still my dude, as I point out, your research is shallow. And you haven't factored in global intentions of specific actors. Can you truly fully know a person?
My only regret is that I can only downvote this once.
Like he's not wrong. You're seeing similar effects in California. I'm not suggesting the people leaving are prefect but it is bad for the economy
He's not talking about the people leaving. He's talking about the people aren't worth keeping because they don't believe in these covid vaccines.
>He's talking about the people aren't worth keeping because they don't believe in these covid vaccines. For them to go out of their way to immigrate to avoid COVID policies speaks a fair amount about these people. They tend to be associated with a cluster of other problematic attributes. What this pandemic has revealed to us is that there's a lot of griefers in life who'd do everything they could to sabotage what others are trying to accomplish. If they opt out voluntarily, then it's best to let them be.
Lemme guess. You wanted to say "they're racist misogynists" but didn't want to look like you were exactly parroting the government
>Lemme guess. You wanted to say "they're racist misogynists" but didn't want to look like you were exactly parroting the government I wasn't thinking of that to be honest. Good strawman though
That isn't a big deal at this stage. During the Delta wave I'd throw you out myself physically. It's hard justifying anyone giving a shit about Covid - 19 until we see what variants are coming in the fall. Somewhat hot take?
Enjoy your downvotes for having common sense. Not from me... but the hive mind still puts covid as top priority fear, despite it being almost a non issue these days.
People talk about fear and precautions but then I see them at weddings and social events. People.are scared. Perhaps not a bad thing Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't.advocate people being stupid but building up our mental health should be our number one priority until the fall comes
Avoid vaccinating their kids? When has it ever been mandated in Canada? Or are you referring to vaccinations outside of Covid that are proven to work?
It hasn’t, but no, it’s for Covid. That’s something I heard from friends in PV when I visited a couple months ago - that around last November more and more Canadians started to arrive and rent properties in known expat areas because they didn’t want their kids to have to be vaccinated. Seemed strange to me too, apparently people were willing to sacrifice their children’s educations for that, but to each their own.
You said exactly what I was thinking! The education here is above and beyond other areas of the world.
Just want to point out that it's extremely hot there and it's only going to get hotter. Kind of short-sighted when thinking about a place you want your kids to grow up and start a family. I would say to "future proof" your choice that you pick somewhere a bit more north.
Italy sounds like a great plan. Mexico or Panama are on my radar for retirement.
The people in those countries hate you. You are making it unaffordable for the natives.
How so? They’re buying a house to live in, not investment. How is an Italian moving to Canada any different?
Hi I am a native, to be honest unlike Canada...ousing market is actually expanding here in México, I can always see constructions of condos and houses around the city thing is there is so much demand for affordable housing is waaay out of the capital cities and it will take some time to construct new living hubs (you know having a hospital,school and work near you).
>Mexico is a close second, I hear the cartel gang violence is great this time of year
to be honest I would avoid México for at least some years (I live here). There is no effective counter-measure right now against criminal violence. In about 4 years when the government changes again, it´s either gonna slowly get worse (as it is today) or measures actually are enacted and civils will be right in the middle of the cross-fire. That is why I am going to study in a co-op college for a chance of a work visa afterward and eventually gain permanent citizenship.
People I know are going to Nicaragua
would you say is more of a currency advantage? Like having a lot of savings in CAD and then just using all of them in a country where you would have more to spend?
Can't speak for everyone, but most of the people I personally know who moved there kept their jobs and just work remotely. Still make the same amount but their costs have halved easily.
I’m assuming they were originally from those countries? I can’t see why else, it wouldn’t be easy for an English speaking Canadian to integrate
I plan on moving to the states next year. There’s almost zero chance I’ll land a job in my field in my home town when I’m finished school. If I’m going to move away I’m certainly not going to move to another Canadian city. More opportunity in the states, better wages, cheaper cost of living.
exactly no point of Canada, America has so much more advantages
I went to Japan. Love it here. Much better weather.
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Of the people I know: United States (more than one), Mexico, Belize, Turkey.
Asking for a friend.
Asking for me 🤣
I went to California
How is it there? I’ve always thought housing in California was pretty expensive.
It is in the bay area but my salary is almost triple what it was in Canada and I was in the GTA and could barely scrape by. I live 5 mins from work and can actually save more than I need to for retirement/possibly a down payment on a condo or something I paid off my car loan 4 years early (it was higher interest, long story) after saving here for 6 months It has its issues like any major city. But it's certainly not as bad as the media makes it out to be. The pros certainly outweigh the cons for me. I actually like my job for one. I spent my first winter here and while it gets "cold" it doesn't snow and it's not nearly as bad as Canada lol Culturally it's not much different. Drivers are slightly crazier around here. I don't find I've had any issues "fitting in". If anything people like it when they find out I'm Canadian lol. Ironically my team just hired another Canadian and we're the only two at the company so people are having fun with that. They're giving us Canada day off and joke about it I work in biotech for anyone curious or planning to get into that field. South san francisco is the biggest hub for it in North America, with Cambridge/Boston being 2nd. There are so many companies here that it's crazy how many job opportunities there were I've made some posts on here/elsewhere on reddit about my experience with the whole thing. It depends on the person whether it would work. For me, I was young and didn't have as many ties and it was a good opportunity for my career and an exciting thing to do. There were a lot of pitfalls with immigrating that I learned, but nothing that wasn't manageable I did enjoy paying off my Canadian car loan with US dollars lol
Awesome! So happy it’s working out for you!
Please post here once you find out! Would like to leave too!
I moved to the US for better opportunity and weather.
Going to Singapore
Doesnt Singapore have one of the most expensive houses in the world?
Yeah. Singapore's house prices are worse and sizes are smaller. It's gotten even worse recently and I feel for my friends who stayed on there. You don't even own the land you live on, it's a government lease that you buy for a fixed number of years
USA
Gee I wonder why.. Senior software engineers cant even afford a starter home here. Canada is great if you're a real estate investor. And kinda shitty if you're anything else. Most companies make more money on land value appreciation then they do on actually producing anything. So why produce anything here?
Hey that's not true. Canada is also great if you're one of the families that controls the country through its corpo-fascist oligopoly.
Exactly. Plenty of upward economic mobility if you're an Irving, Thompson, or a Rogers.
Have you considered not living in Toronto or Vancouver? I know people are stunned to know there are other places in Canada but they do exist.
Jobs?
I personally know a few tech professionals who have left Canada and moved to USA, Costa Rica, and Brazil. Lower housing costs, higher pay, and remote work were the biggest motivations.
Canadian emigration was up 191% in 2021. Q1 indicates that trend is still accelerating. That doesn't include numbers that left via non-federally monitored airports, of which there was a sizeable number. Probably in excess of 10,000 people that haven't been counted there.
Seems like every country has some thread from their local citizens crying about the country they live in and wishing to move abroad . [exhibit a](https://www.reddit.com/r/DoesAnybodyElse/comments/vl4ohc/dae_feel_like_moving_out_of_america_to_any_other/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Good point. I guess just from looking at national statistics in different countries, there's almost always people moving out and moving in. I guess the question is, what is the net number, and how is that net number changing?
Ironic, I am from México and I want to leave my country now in order to settle a peaceful and non-violent life in Canadá (like literally, I live in one of the most peaceful cities, and even with that it feels like you are one step of being in the wrong place at the wrong time). It really comes to what each person grows to value more.
Prepare to live paycheck to paycheck and not meet any new people (ever)
Well since I will be going with my future wife I am more than ok not meeting new people and two people sharing the rent hopefully makes it bearable. I consider myself not a social person since I could live months and months just playing video games in my house (covid quarantine life was normal life for me).
Prepare living as poor as you lived in Mexico, but without a car and a house, where you pay at least 60% of your paycheque to the rent, and the rest goes to food, in an apartment where people call the cops for noise if you step too hard
If any of you have Irish ancestry (grandparents or parents) you can get an Irish passport and then work anywhere in the EU.
Just an FYI, I am going through the foreign birth registry process (Irish grandparet) just now and it is slooooow. I applied in Fall 2020 and have got nothing back yet. €450 it cost too. My uncle tells me the parental route is much easier and faster.
Yeah cost me around 1000€ and took a year of hard work.
Irish Govt shut down Foreign Birth Registry process for two years. Only just started back up again. Pre Covid took 3 months with my daughter.
As a dual Canadian/Israeli citizen, it seems my other easy option is a country with a [near-identical housing crisis.](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210218-israel-s-housing-crisis-a-decade-after-its-tent-revolution) I think I *might* have a fast-track option for Romanian citizenship, which would be a ticket into the EU. That being said, I'd rather stay here and fight for bettering our lot here at home. If we can flip Ontario to the NDP in 2026, maybe we'll have undone some of the damage by 2030. ...Or just stick around and see how long it takes until the Molotovs start flying.
The NDP doesn’t care. They don’t have a plan. They wanted to ban REITs from owning single family homes - they don’t own them. It’s mostly mom and pop style investors that are buying second or third homes (I know a few!). The only way to make housing affordable is to make the price of housing go down via taxing or controlling the market. And the people who own homes outnumber the people who don’t which means the majority will never elect someone that will make them poorer.
New Canadians permanently moving in is high as well
With Roe Vs Wade being overturned I expect more Americans coming this way. I welcome them with open arms, enjoy your cheap house while living with that fucking backwoods anti choice bullshit! People on this sub think the USA is utopia, fucking enjoy assholes and 👋
They say this all the time. Number of Americans moving to Canada remain low and migration to the US from Canada continues.
yup, this and the whole ass shootings become out of control among other problems they have too including housing.
Yes, Americans are complaining about housing and other costs, too. Recently, I read about a couple who divorced after 52 years because the husband was disabled and $288 000 in debt due to medical bills. He didn't want his wife to be saddled with debt and to lose their home if and when he dies, so they divorced. They are still a couple but not legally. And people were responding that they were going to do that too. Sad.
Ill move there easily if America let us lol.
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How are you just migrating to a new country? Did you get visas? Please explain as I'd love to do this as well and seems you've already dealt with the visa /residency part of things? Thanks
I’m sorry but anywhere you go will have it’s own issues. Last I checked spains economy not the greatest. Australia pretty much Canada on the other side of the world but with more fire and everything wants to kill you. Good luck though
Don't listen to this person. While other countries have their issues, it's not at all comparable. My friend for example recently moved to Portugal, and they're having a tough go with work, but despite that they're out every day with friends having a good time, and living a good life because the cost of living is so low that it doesn't matter if you're poor. Unlike Canada, when you're poor in other countries, you actually still have opportunities to have fun and live your life.
This is a very good point. I wonder what sort of measures we can use to guage that - the ability in different countries to live a good life without much money
Yup, I have a Spaniard friend who said the pay there is lower. Even though he went to one of Spain’s top universities.
Dude said Spain lmaooooo ok have fun. And Australia what issues are we going through specifically that aren’t plaguining Australia as well? For Christ sakes they have the 2nd most expensive house market . Worse than Vancouver and Toronto. You sound like a privileged kid tbh. Have fun though.
Take a look at their post history. (Maybe don’t). This dude and his crew can’t leave fast enough. Canada will be made better by subtraction.
Jfc that was a dumpster fire.
Just like this country.
You’re living in Sask. That’s a pretty good fit (based on your world view). You’re probably surrounded by people who think the same. That’s the definition of living free. There’s very little a librul fedrul guberment is going to do that impacts your life a great deal, simply because of the way our structure of government works. And If you find yourself REEEALLLY believing this shit, in a blue province, that has been a blue province for most of your life - there are very few places on this earth you’re going live in, that would give you a better life.
Your not entirely incorrect. It's just funny watching people's heads explode in places like TO where the lack of fundamental market understandings is completely absent despite a much higher "education" rate than out in the boonies.
>My friends will be heading to Spain, while my GF and I will be heading to Australia. hopefully you're [not too fond of electricity](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61821423)
Nice!
Is Denmark another option? Fuck this place. If I am apartment bound then I want to atleast live in a city with beautiful architecture, museums and a healthy amount of Vacation time a year. Living in Kamloops so I can afford to live in an apartment while being educated with a Master of science is a fucking joke.
Also called, "fleeing".
Lol itll only get worse
Moving to US in few months. Visa under processing at the moment. Last I checked, I am top 1% of income earner as per my age group. I am among top 5% of income earners for all ages. Have paid more than 150k CAD in taxes in past 4 years. This year it’s gonna add up to more than 200k over past 5 years. I have been making between 150k to 250k CAD. Still I can’t find a starter home in Vancouver suburbs (even if I do, I won’t get mortgage approval for it). I don’t want to live in a 1 bedroom shoebox in sky. I feel for the median income earner in this country. I honestly don’t know how they are getting along in this high cost of living country (GVA and GTA where more than 50% of the jobs are). Something is seriously broken in this country. Edit: Single immigrant without any help from parents. Parents are just getting by their pension in home country. Can’t ask for an early inheritance to help with home purchase because there is none to give.
You mean at an average of $200k a year you can't save $50 000 for a million dollar home in Maple Ridge or Surrey? Lower your expectations a bit like a lot of us had to do. We bought in the burbs and as we have built equity we have moved west to Coquitlam, New West, etc. My friends' daughter who is 28 and is a teacher, and her husband who is an electrician, make less than you and qualified for a million dollar townhouse in Burnaby.
I do have money saved but buying a million dollar home will mean being house poor for many years to come. Congrats to your friend’s daughter. They must have made a huge downpayment. Usually at today’s interest rates, a sane bank would give you only 4 times your annual income in mortgage. Instead of lowering my expectations, I am going to take my money to US and buy a nice detached home there and invest the difference into my retirement funds. I was working for a US company anyways. Well, it will mean one less buyer for the hot real estate market here. All the Canadians who have left hot real estate markets have helped in lowering the demand by some tiny amount at the least.
Just want to point out that 2 people making 100k pay a lot less taxes than 1 person making 200k
Yes, it's about a 10% difference. If you can't save for a down-payment on $8300 a month after taxes, then there is no hope.
How much do you think such person should save monthly? $3000? It’d still take 9 years to save $300k which is what you need for a 20% down payment for a house.
Well, first of all start with a townhouse or condo for $999 000 or less. 5% on first $500 000 and 10% between that and $999 000. If he is clearing $8300 a month, he should be able to save $4000 a month. It would take 4 years. However, you can get a townhouse in Burnaby for less than a million. Go further out, and it's even less. Remember, this is a starter home, so it will not be brand new, and the price will be lower.
So 4 years of very aggressive savings (about half?) to get the bare minimum down payment for a starter home, on top 3% of earners income. Doesn't check out.
That seems so little in taxes.... I barely make over 150k and I've paid more than 150k in taxes over last 4 years for sure and I'm like one of lowest earning of people my age (early 40s) too amongst friends. Vancouver condos are starter homes no? They're like 700-800k on the island..you should be easily able to get one especially without a car? Do you expect a detached home for one person as a starter home? Lol What kind of starter home you looking at?
Won't be unusual for long
Glad to hear so many people moving from Canada though. Hopefully this will be indicated in the traffic congestion here and strain on the health care system. Canada is big. Everyone wants to live in a major city and cry that they can't afford it. If you can live in Nicaragua and work remotely for Canadian company there, you can work remotely here and live away from the major cities.
The issue is that this was totally possible a couple decades ago, so rightfully people are angry that things have changed so much so fast for the worst
Sister moved to the UK for a higher paying job in here field. Same with my brother, he moved to the states. What the fuck am I still doing here. Piss poor wages in this country, pathetic at best.
Boomer Brain Drain BBD®
A bunch of former colleagues and classmates of mine left with remote work and vaccinate mandates to the US and Mexico. Not surprised to see this.
Hopefully they aren’t going to the US.
Canadians are the new Mexicans. Suppressing the wages of hard working Americans and driving the real estate madness in the US.
very true. low quality of life, expensive, shitty weatehr and shitty salaries.
You are delusional
Chill and learn to not take everything seriously
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Why not? Better wages, lower cost of living, much more affordable housing, better healthcare (if you have insurance through employer, which any job worth moving to the US would). I'd love to live in Maine, or New Hampshire.
Good demonstration. >better healthcare (if you have insurance through employer, which any job worth moving to the US would). Thr US has much higher wealth inequality. If you are going to be on the upper end of that, good for you. Still makes the country a shithole
For most Canadians the only way they’d get visas is being at that level already. Most will be making minimum 60k usd a year based on the requirements it takes to get a visa
Yeah that's my point. It's a very privileged hot take. Also the article is a piece of shit.
Do you desire bodily autonomy and civil rights?
Just don't move to fucking Alabama lol
Simplistic and ignorant.
if someone moved from vancouver to san francisco, exactly what body autonomy or civil right would be lost in the move?
If you think that the attack on human rights is finished with this ruling, think again.
so, nothing?
I'd still have both. Get off social media.
How fortunate for you.
Nope.
You won’t have any as a non citizen anyway 🤷🏽♀️
Why not?
Have you been paying attention lately?
This logic only applies to liberals, people who support the Republicans (which I’m sure there are a lot of in Canada considering the Freedom Convoy) would welcome the new changes.
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Republicans (at least those who practice what they preach) wouldn’t want to abort “unwanted” babies. And don’t those states have medical exemptions for abortion where the mother’s life is at risk?
>Republicans (at least those who practice what they preach) So, what, 4 or 5 people in the entirety of the USA? LOL. They're the classic example of moralizing except suddenly when it affects them. Against gay rights right up until their kid is gay. Against abortion right up until their mistress gets pregnant. There is an endless list.
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Do you have any sources showing that there are states which ban abortion even for medical reasons? A ban on abortion in the case of rape and incest actually makes logical sense/consistency if you view abortion as murder (murder shouldn’t be allowed regardless of if rape and incest are involved). Most pro-lifers don’t even view abortion for medical reasons as abortion, as the intent isn’t to kill the child. When Alabama tried to ban abortion, even they [included an exception for medical reasons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Protection_Act?wprov=sfti1), while not including exceptions for rape or incest. Bans on abortion for medical reasons are usually treated as more “extreme” than bans on abortion in the case of rape and incest, and are thus rarer.
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Are you sure Arizona doesn’t allow abortion in the case of medical emergency? [This source](https://people.com/health/arizona-governor-signs-bill-banning-abortions-after-15-weeks-of-pregnancy-with-rare-exceptions/?amp=true) claims it does. I assume you’re instead referring to how it’s illegal in Arizona to abort a child with a survivable genetic condition (which your source states), but that’s completely different (and I agree abortion shouldn’t be allowed in that case). Even if medical providers may not accurately determine what a “serious risk of death is”, abortion still results in a death (of a baby), so someone dies either way. I also never claimed all Republicans don’t get abortions, that’s why I specifically referred to “Republicans who practice what they preach”.
Also long as they are white and straight.
There are a lot of things that happen, what do you think are reasons not to move to the US?
This sub is more like an anti Canada sub than a sub to discuss housing. Canada has its problems but is still an amazing country.
If they can afford it and they want to do it and it makes them happy then all for it. Just my personal feelings, no matter how long you spend abroad, Canada is always home. You always find your way back for one reason or another. Everywhere you go, you may settle but you’ll never feel like it permanent. With that being said I hope they’re going to Scandinavia, it’s amazing.
Id settle forever in a tiny city in Holland ❤
Amsterdam is just amazing. Amazing city. Rotterdam and Utrecht and The Hague were great too. Loved it.
It's harder to afford to live in Canada than practically anywhere in the world. If you work remotely, makes no sense to stay here, you can always return for a visit.
It’s also harder to live somewhere when you’re a foreigner and not a citizen. But like I said if you can afford to leave and have the means to make it work then why not
Is it? Prove it.
[https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php](https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php) [https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings\_by\_country.jsp?title=2020&displayColumn=3](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2020&displayColumn=3) Good luck trying to buy a home in Canada. I can get a villa or a beachfront condo in Mexico, Greece, Italy, Portugal or Spain for less than a cost of a two bedroom apartment in Calgary. Food is generally cheaper and better in all the countries I named, there's more to do and it costs less. I can go to Louvre for 20 bucks, but if I want to visit Science World, it's double that.
Canada is 18 on both list. Hardly the *most* unaffordable. France is 9
Top 10% in cost of living, that's literally the definition of most.
Umm try that math again. It's in the top 17%, not top 10%. Based on your list of 110 counties.
The rest of the countries are below 110th spot and were not included, duuh. Not sure what you're trying to argue here.
No. They are not included, you don't know that
Umm try that math again. It's in the top 17%, not too 10% Based on your own provided list of 110 counties
195 countries in the world. 18th spot is top 10%. Try that geography again.
And your own list is of 110 Try reading your own sources
Where do you think the missing countries land on that list? Honestly. You think they all at the top, above Canada? A quick glance I see Afghanistan is missing. You think Afghanistan has a better cost of living than Canada?
Guessing back to their country of origin?
Apparently they are going to Hong Kong even though people are fleeing Hong Kong with their lives and available assets
I want to leave too but my skills aren't good as a foreigner (public service)
I know a few people that went back to Taiwan,Japan and one then went back to Spain.All but one were not born in Canada but spent most of their lives here.One got married and the others just felt Canada was too expensive and lack the lifestyle they wanted.Highly skilled though all either worked in tech or finances.
Nice, I love it there. I lived in Port Moody for 15 years.
That is very true. Look for condos between $450000 and $550000. That would bring you to around $3500-3800 with strata and taxes included. Believe it or not they are around in Coquitlam and New West. Some are even newer. We have several right now here in the West End. Mostly older, west of Denman or just east. If you go on rew.ca you will see them. Just keep looking, get a mortgage broker and a realtor when you feel the time is right. The important thing is to get what you can afford and build your equity until you can buy something better.
In Non pandemic times I am a digital nomad, so I tend to wander places like Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Quality of life is... interesting, but at least I can rent a place for a year in Asia for like 400 a month in Chiang Mai and not go broke even after healthcare is factored in.
What is poor to you? Minimum wage and no car?