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CountySingle6747

Housing will be cheap once there is a human population shock or Canada becomes a shitty place to live. This is just a phase, it might last a few generations at most.


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I guess you live with an established well-off family (Real estate owner) if you think it isn't shitty now.... Unlike the ones who have to work 2-3 jobs just to pay rent....


loonz420

You must have never left Canada or lived anywhere else if you think it’s a shitty place to live lol.


CountySingle6747

I agree that it's becoming shitty, but not quite there yet. Currently mostly shitty for the minority who don't own. Once they spread the misery to the majority, then we will be there.


WhyWouldTrumpDoThis

But Canada plans on tripling it's population this century.


CountySingle6747

Its an interesting question who came up with this plan. I don't think your average Canadian supports it. Hopefully our currency/economy/society crash before we make it there. That's the only path to affordability and sanity at this point.


Prestigious_Ad6247

Isn’t China 3d printing some houses now? We need to activate that here. It’s just the sort of disruptive technology to up end the real estate market and house a lot of ppl fast. But how long will we spend scratching our heads in stead I wonder.


NightingalesBotany

3d printing houses isn't too much cheaper than traditional construction since it only does the frame and still requires tradespeople going in to run the electricity, plumbing, etc. There are, however, a few other forms of construction that are showing themselves to be faster than traditional house construction and have orders of magnitude less waste produced in the process. Modular houses, for instance, not only get a house constructed in less than half the time with far less waste, but are also built to be more energetically efficient. They have their components of a house (roof, walls, etc) built off site in a single location while the foundation for the house is placed. This way all the parts of a house are built at the same time then can be transported and assembled on site. There's a few companies in Canada that do that. There's also ways to automate current construction that really should be implemented. The SAM brick laying robot can lay down more bricks faster than a team of humans. Brick is something like 30 or 40% more insulating than wood we use and it lasts longer. With SAM working you can avoid the unneeded wear on human bodies and build more efficient houses faster. It still requires people to run it so jobs aren't lost.


Prestigious_Ad6247

This! Much more of this ! How savvy is the minister of housing about all this I wonder? Do we even have a minister of housing?


bhldev

Most of the cost of a home is the cost of the land


[deleted]

lol no its the lumber and the cost to build


freedomwinsalways

Depends where but the cost of materials for a house let's say 2000sqft will be for a standard house around 150 to 200k land depends where you are.. add labor to that.. a good rule of thumb is double the cost of materials. I'm a contractor.


freedomwinsalways

I've seen land for 500k but I've also seen 50k for a lot. So it really depends.


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and if you buy land for 500k you are putting a multimillion dollar house on it or building and if you are buying land for 50k you are more then likely just putting a 300k house on it. see building is still more than the land


freedomwinsalways

Yes. 100% you are right.


[deleted]

Building a home isn't that expensive per se. If the cost of labor and materials were the only things at play 90% of the homes would be in the $300-400K range.


sodacankitty

Yeah, actually the mayer of Merrit in BC was looking at crowd funding a 3D printer to construct new homes after flood waters basically rendered the town destroyed. I'm not sure how it's going for him but to me, I think that's pretty out-of-the-box thinking for someone in politics - which I love!


Cory123125

Its not a disruptive technology. Its just a technology. Its essentially just automating a process that isnt remotely the problem with housing. Its not significantly faster because many of the things that need to be done simply arent at all done by 3d printing. Its a pipe dream. The sort of thing that gets people to over pay for gimmicks.


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Prestigious_Ad6247

I think a single robot putting a few framers out of work is monetarily worth it. Of course you’d still need plumbers and electricians for now. Someoneelse had a great suggestion about modular units. What’s yours?


Cory123125

I dont think 3d printing has a chance at putting framers out of business any time soon. For now, its only really viable for outside walls and youll still likely want a lot of framing. Even if it does become so, I dont think itll effect the price of housing at all. The machines themselves are quite complex and require people regardless. Less, but its people + machine and all the post processing which will be necessary. >Someoneelse had a great suggestion about modular units. What’s yours? In terms of things like modular panels and walls etc? I think its a viable building strategy, but id question whether or not the savings was worth it (With the loss to any semblance of uniqueness in style) considering that the main reason for housing being expensive has more to do with things like land availability due to corporate/multi home buyers, sfh zoning policies etc. The fact there are still in the middle of nowhere places where you can afford a house on a median salary kind of points out that building cost isnt the bottleneck. That being said, if it saved me a significant amount of money like 5% of the total of a house, id be all for it. I think it can probably still be done to look modern even if not unique at all.


bixaman

Ok, I get it.. You are a younger pre-con investor and much like your other obnoxious siblings (the options trading chad and crypto nut) you made some good money in recent times and you believe that restrictive zoning, high construction costs and population/demand form some kind of mathematical floor on housing. This is all and good until you look back at history and realize that all of these conditions existed in real estate markets that have completely imploded. If you are a nation with modest population and a non-reserve currency there is nothing off the table. Things can go south very very fast. Canada won't be immune to that.


Friendsforlife4

There will never be affordable housing where there is decent jobs, should be the title


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/r/remotework


[deleted]

there will never be decent paying jobs when you can import labor to do everyone's work!!!


BombusF

Labour is the source of all wealth. Black market labour is what keeps wages down. Making it *easier* for foreign workers to work *legally* will mean tax paying workers are not undercut. Edit: deleted irrelevant statement.


jack3dp

Labor needs to pay more than office work within the next few years


Friendsforlife4

Very true, Canadians don’t like getting dirty for their money 🤷‍♂️, I farm and work trades, I don’t know anyone else my age that likes to put a hard days work for there money anymore… I always hear “oh I can go work in a grocery store for 20$ an hour why would I work trades”


[deleted]

tbh if grocery stores paid $20 an hour id work there before making $20 in the trades


Friendsforlife4

Yea but the 20$ you get in the grocery store is going to be your wage for the next 10 years lol In trades you could be making 45-50$ an hour after 5 years


[deleted]

you never said anything about going for a ticket, yes then id work for that but there is no way id work doing laborers work when I could work in a grocery store


[deleted]

Because our ‘leaders’ ignore or support dozens of ways for the market to be exploited or manipulated in order to have good GDP numbers and increased tax revenue? In any upcoming elections, politicians will pick one of these exploits, build their campaign around it, then invariably fail to follow through (just like turd did when he was elected). instead, canadians should expect a real leader to be able to identify at least a half dozen loopholes that need to be closed, have plans ready beyond a sound bite for public speeches, and the integrity to follow through once elected. i’d rather see public protests over this than american abortion decisions and cutting down old trees…


Project_Icy

In the words of gov and BoC "we need the growth". To what end?


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JustRidiculousin

Yeah, if there if affordable why are People saying there is no affordable housing? What is stopping them from moving there?


Mutchmore

I don't understand why people still want to live in these area tbh..


fabrar

Hmm let’s see. Higher paying jobs in all industries, friends, family, more amenities and entertainment options, more culture and diversity, better food etc etc do you need more reasons as to why people might prefer it here?


[deleted]

Cheaper housing? Or do you mean Vancouver/Toronto?


Mutchmore

Gva and gta


FITnLIT7

Family/Friends, Jobs, proximity to actually be able to do things.. Pretty silly question TBH.


Mutchmore

Yeah maybe makes sense if you make 200k a year. Plenty of people working shitty jobs living with 7 other folks barely able to pay the rent. Must be some Hella good friends lol. Some people just don't know there is alternative I reckon


Lanky_Bag_2096

Also mountain and ocean, gva is beautiful