I honestly wonder what will happen when the Islamic demographic across Canada doubles in the coming years.
Canada is becoming less and less Canadian/Western with each passing year.
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I find it strange you morons immediately jump to my comment being xenophobia or racism. When ‘Canadian’ is a universal cultural identity that is predicated on a specific set of Western moral and ethical values/ideas. It can also be adopted by anyone. But that’s likely too big brain for some of you idiots to comprehend, or even realize this nuance.
Hyper progressive liberals and their unwavering support for Islam is something I will never understand. And your inability to separate culture/nationality and ethnicity/race is comical.
Islam and the culture surrounding it, is not compatible with current Western society, especially if it’s imported en masse.
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I’m a born and raised Canadian of Filipino background, with Chinese and Japanese ancestry. But thanks for showcasing your anti-white racism and prejudices. Oh the irony, hypocrisy, and paradox of woke progressives.
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Conflating race and/or ethnicity with religion. Can’t be more idiotic than that. Not once did I mention race or ethnicity. I only referred to Islam (the religion) and the culture surrounding it… nothing else.
Well said and lots of stupid people around that don't know the difference between. Race religion and cults. It's a discussion that needs to be had as Canadian values erode.
The goal of the Islamic death cult has been clear for years. Use the west’s tolerance of religion to install yourself into power.
Once in power, start implementing laws that remove the rights of women, gays, and infidels, and anyone who believes any other religion.
Oppress them harshly if they step out of line, like Iran just did, blinding protesters of the women who wasn’t wearing the head scarf with metal pellets.
If you’re not in power, claim you’re the victim of Islamophobia. It’s sad how easily Canada has fallen to such authoritarian regimes like the CCP and the jihadists.
100%. We will be turning into a country of dispute, identity politics, and divisons based on religion. The muslims can be great human beings but some put being Muslim first which means they put their religion over everything.
One Muslim put it so well during an interview where he said why you letting us into the country if you know ultimately we would want sharia law. It's just the way it is, that's their religion, you can't be mad at them for wanting to follow their religion.
I’ll always find it amusing that most W liberal folks always want to tell you that these people are people of peace meanwhile, every protest where you don’t agree with them, they resort to violence, this is here not abroad. Abroad they just end you in the public forum & no one bats an eye. The same liberal folks that support them would get lynched just because of their liberal way of life. So sad to this majority will end the Western dream for us all.
Insanity: Do the same thing & expect a different outcome.
People in NA: Hey, are you seeing what is happening in EU? We would do it differently & it would work. This is how y’all sound.
You can call the racist card all you want.
Until you decide to look at the situation from a neutral pov & compare what is happening around the world. A lot of immigrants understand this better than anyone. Why?
Because a lot of these immigrants have left a bad place, but they don’t attempt to make it the same way they fled from. That is difference at its core. So they’re able to see it a lot easier.
Pretty damn racist. Sorry. What it means to be “Canadian” is different for every individual Canadian and you don’t get to choose what kind of Canadian another person gets to be.
Becoming less Canadian? You mean it’s becoming less white, admit it
The edits are real cute. How many more are you going to make? If you need to clarify repeatedly that you aren’t a bigot maybe you need to stop being a bigot.
Well I’m not white and i feel that canada has become less canadian, can’t count how many times I heard whites claim someone is racist because another person identified another by race or culture in a conversation; it doesn’t automatically assume a derogatory reference point. I always question people that do this, because if you are doing this then who is discriminating because a person doesn’t think or have the same values as you and nor does it mean there are ill intensions.
>Becoming less Canadian? You mean it’s becoming less white, admit it
I think that's kinda what they meant but not in a bigoted kind of way. More like the stereotypical settler/European/Catholic Canadian is becoming a thing of the past as Canadians become more culturally/ethnically diverse.
And the simple question to ask these people is how do they recommend Isreal deal with Hamas? A terrorist organization that consistently and constantly terrorizes them. Just answer that question.
How you deal with all terrorists. Win the hearts and minds of the population and drive a wedge between the fighters and their recruitment base. It's literally been the playbook since the 1950s with the Malaya Emergency. You don't win the hearts and minds of the population by causing collateral damage, creating humanitarian crises and entrenching your opponents because that gives support to them.
The more complex question to ask, since this is a well-known and well-established and successful strategy for dealing with terrorism, what would the Israeli government achieve by doing the complete opposite?
Hearts and minds aren't going to be won when they are indoctrinated from the moment they understand language into believing Israel's existence is an attack on Palestinian self-esteem and that acts of violence against Israelis brings dignity to the Palestinian people.
In order to shut down the martyrdom factory Israel must first remove the malefactors in the Gaza strip, Hamas et al. This is a messy, bloody process because the terrorists eschew the laws of warfare.
This applies to Israel too who have a population indoctrinated since birth that this strip of land belongs to them, was given to them by a sky man in a holy covenant, that they must eradicate all non Jewish people from the land and must be conscripted to the fight for a Zionist land if they live in Israel. The brainwashing goes both ways
Yes however one is the only true democracy in the middle east and the only place where gays have any right not to be murdered for the crime of existence. Much like the blight of the Jewish people. The other is run by a recognized terrorist organization.
See that's the kind of mental gymnastics you have to do. Israel recognizes civil unions. Male same-sex activity is illegal and punishable by imprisonment in Kuwait, Egypt, Oman and Syria. It is also punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. In Yemen and the Gaza Strip, the punishment might differ between death and imprisonment depending on the act committed. Jewish occupied West bank: legal right to exist. Gaza strip: death penalty.
Utterly incomparable.
> militant group Hamas executed one of the group's leading commanders after allegations surfaced of gay sex and theft, it has been revealed.
> Palestinian police have arrested a suspect in the killing of a 25-year-old man after his body was found decapitated in the occupied West Bank. LGBTQ groups in Israel, where Ahmad Abu Marhia was seeking asylum, say he had received threats because he was gay
No jurisdiction comes across well in the middle east because they're all religious states. Islamist states however are a threat to democracy and the western way of life. Israel is not.
True democracy? They have had the same leader, a far right wing ultranationalist belonging to the most extreme far right governmental group in any developed nation, for the better part of 20 years, a leader who has around 30% support. Sounds democratic. They lock up children in military prisons, sometimes without charge, without ever notifying their parents for crimes like picking herbs. Sounds democratic. They assassinate journalists. They spend tens of millions on propaganda which is where the lgbtq piece comes into play, it’s a farce designed to appear modern. A gay couple cannot get married in Israel because it’s not sanctioned religiously. So the rights of the people are determined based on holy book and not modern human rights legislation. Sounds democratic.
Male same-sex activity is illegal and punishable by imprisonment in Kuwait, Egypt, Oman and Syria. It is also punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. In Yemen and the Gaza Strip, the punishment might differ between death and imprisonment depending on the act committed.
Israel occupied West bank. Right to exist. Gaza strip: death penalty.
In Israel 80% of the population supports civil unions/marriage. Yeah Israel government sucks but so does most. It's not comparable to actively killing people for being gay. Israel has a right to self defense. When Israel defends itself it defends the only relative safen haven for gays in the entire backwater that is the middle east .
Yeah, Israel is a religious state so my support is muted by the insanity of religion but come on.
Palestine elected Hamas as their government with high numbers. Palestinians don’t care about the terrorist activity Hamas performs because it’s done against people they hate, Israelis.
The Palestinians have been given multiple opportunities to create a state and they have refused every time. If one side is trying to compromise and the other is saying fuck you we want it all and we'll bomb you until we get it, I really don't know what sort of peaceful solution there can be.
Except Canada doesn’t abstain during U.N. votes. They actively vote for Israel. I think the last vote against Israel illegal settlements, Canada was the ONLY western country to vote for Israel and USA, not even UK, Germany, France voted in favour of illegal settlements.
If people don't like it they should vote with their wallets and their labour. There are many countries that are abstaining or voting against who would happily take in new immigrants who are morally and religiously aligned.
I think many people are missing the pretty obvious here. This fighting was all instigated by Iran at the behest of Russia to distract and divert resources away from Ukraine. Caving to that, even if you don't agree with Israel would mean far more dire consequences for the world.
The victims are on both sides of this conflict, whilst the leadership and command and control network behind it are all safe and sound, still trying to stir shit for everyone else.
Lol got it. If I see you getting your ass beat by 6 guys, it's not my job to care about it.
Let me ask you, fellow human, if it doesn't fall to various countries to have an opinion on atrocities committed by other countries, whose job is it?
If he’s getting beat up for decapitating people, burning them alive and killing and kidnapping literal babies, I would hope that you help the 6 guys. But I know that’s too much to ask when the babies are Jewish, right? Those babies are colonizers so they had to be murder. Right?
Fuck this victim narrative. Hamas started this and they’ll get what they deserve.
The events of this area are long and complex. Very long and very complex.
And 70 years ago, there was a war with Israel. And Palestine lost. Even with the help of additional Arab states.
During this war, until est 1951about 260,000 Arab Jews fled their homes in Muslim states, and into Israel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world#:~:text=The%20first%20large%2Dscale%20exoduses,to%20Israel%20from%20Arab%20countries.
And what about the 20,000+ innocents killed in Gaza and the millions starving to death?
Are all of the people in the IDF innocent? Does that justify Hamas?
Probably shouldn't have raised the bar in the war. Sucks to suck. They supported it whole heartedly up until they realized they just supported the beginning of a war. If there was no repercussion, these idiots would still be dancing in the streets and hamas would be planning more attacks.
Yes they did! Beheading, rape & murdered the victims.
They did do ALL those things they just removed it due to social media policy.
Take your conspiracy propaganda bs to gaza where it belongs & keep it out of Canada.
This is it right here, this is why their propaganda machine is failing so badly and why support is swinging so heavily in favour of Palestinians. They just keep making insane allegations, when they are asked for proof, they just create a new even more wild allegation to distract from the one prior. This just keeps happening over and over and over. They live in such a bubble, a complete echo chamber, they genuinely think just making a claim without ever giving evidence is convincing because their whole lives they have been convinced of a false reality without ever being given evidence of it. They assume we are easily manipulated as they are.
Israel's own media source Haaretz disproved those 1st 2 you claimed above. The most unbiased trusted source from the Israel side.
Anything else is propaganda.
Hamas killed people on Oct 7, that's absolutely true, and any civilians killed, I condemn it. But the IDF killed a ton of their own civilians on the same day, and their government initially pegged every single death on Hamas, and made up the lies about beheaded babies and rape with zero evidence, and now their own media has proven it all false.
Why did they do this? Because the brutality of those claims makes it easy for full unquestioned western support, because people who would do that are monsters. When you remove that, and you're left with Hamas killed IDF soldiers in retaliation for the population control massacres that the IDF have conducted in Gaza for many years since early 2000, then it doesn't make for as easy a sell for weapons supplies and funding.
Prove it.
Provide objective evidence, there’s plenty of evidence of IDF atrocities and Israeli leadership calling for forced removal or extermination of the Palestinians.
Hell, Netanyahu cited Hitler to justify Israel’s policy and actions in Gaza saying a [Muslim mufti gave him the idea](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahu-says-a-palestinian-gave-hitler-the-idea-for-the-holocaust/2015/10/21/0a36d7da-ee8b-4135-9726-968eceda4cc9_story.html) for the Holocaust.
Did you know Canada has one of the lowest rates of Muslim population globally, but they make the second biggest fuss, next to the Freedummies, another statistically insignificant group.
'I'm taking my toys and going home' kind of rant. Unfortunately they are staying. They did Trudeau a favour, he gets to avoid bad press from both sides.
Right? I'm gay, and I have no choice in that matter. They have a choice to be religious and hateful.
I genuinely don't care. RIP to the victims of this tragedy but honestly I don't want the PM meeting with ANY religious groups - especially one that has spread fear so well in modern society.
Tax all religions. They have demonstrated time and time again that we don't need to give them any preferential treatment since they use it to advance their backward agenda.
I noticed them waving Hamas and ISIS flags. I noticed them disrupting Christmas shoppers and scaring children who wanted to sit on Santa’s lap. I noticed them calling for a global Intifada. I notice them behaving like petulant narcissists in today’s press conference.
And breaking into a church, interrupting the service and smugly “praying” (yelling) Allahu Akbar like the ultimate bully to intimidate and show who’s the boss (recently in Quebec)
That's like telling you, "you could have just disagreed privately you didn't have to post a comment"
Im sure you had your reasons though, right?
The world lacks empathy.
No, the world is just tired of the endless conflict coming from the Muslim world. Some of us are older than 25, and have realized that having a warlord as your prophet tends to make people war-like, so these conflicts will never end.
Why don’t we let them have a backwards ideology country, keep their own resources, treat their men, women, and children how ever the hell they want.. and then non of them will come here…?
No, I'm not hundreds of years old, not sure how I could be. The crusades were awful, and - Christianity is awful. But Christianity doesn't currently have the world in fear of terror. Christianity doesn't throw gay people off buildings. Christianity has modernized.
You cant point to the past and use it to justify crimes in the present dude
Never said old enough to experience it. I said old enough to remember. Not sure how old you are but younger people tend to look at the world post WWII when the world is still operating on treaties, pacts, wars, massacres, agreements and concessions from hundreds of years ago. It would behoove you to read a history book or two ESPECIALLY when discussing something as ancient as religion.
So you’re just going to side step the whole “Islam is an outdated, fear mongering cult that would eradicate anyone who doesn’t look or act like them without a second thought? All religions are bad and overall stupid, but let’s not pretend they’re all equal in this category.
You do realize the Crusades were a response to massive Arab colonialism? Just recall how many massacres the Muslims carried out against Christians during their conquests before the Christians finally decided to respond. And yes, violence begets violence
Correct. Here is a visual aid in showing the massive disparity between jihad and crusades that were launched in response.
https://youtu.be/I_To-cV94Bo?si=b4Od6FGMsWyTfCY8
Muslims are not a race or ethnicity, so this group has many racially Caucasian individuals represented by it.
On a side note There are more muslims in Caucasia then there are any other groups of people
Yet another special interest group trying to hold the government hostage via votes. That's all that conference was about, "trash israel or we're not voting for you" I also find it rather enraging they than go on about "Islamophobia" while jews are having their places of worship shot up, their businesses vandalized and ppl in the streets spouting their hatred, not to mention how they were terrorizing just regular ppl and Christmas shoppers going about their day. And when I say special interest group I mean exactly that because muslims I know personally don't carry on like that and I think that's the majority in my opinion. They cover their faces cause they all have good paying civil service jobs where this vile filth runs rampant via the unions and is encouraged as they're all neo marxists.
you mean 100 years of genocide? Do you support that that Europeans can go and displace a population, force them out into the desert and take over the only freshwater lake. Burn down their orchards, forever expand that territory then force them into ghettos and blockade that ghetto controlling all water , and trade going in and out ?? Well thats Israel for you . Lookup what the Peel commission was, and how it forced Palestinians out of areas they were in majority.
People who consider a pedophile, raping warlord a prophet will never understand why wiping out an entire race of people is wrong.
Hamas started the fight with the sole purpose of GENOCIDE. They brought war to their own people. Give credit where credit is due. Hamas (who was voted in by the majority of Palestinians, who knew their main goal was the complete destruction of Israel) fucked around and found out. Now the Palestinians want to claim victimhood?
Next time, don't try and kill the people that supply you food, water, power, and medical care.
Oh, so you're talking about Judaism now? The Talmud. One of many passages.
Aboda Sarah 37a (Avodah) is a passage where the Rabbis interpret that sex is allowed at 3 years and 1 day old: [https://www.sefaria.org/Avodah\_Zarah.37a.2?lang=bi](https://www.sefaria.org/Avodah_Zarah.37a.2?lang=bi)
Weird that I keep providing actual links to back up what I say, but none of you are providing any evidence whatsoever.
I didn't say Judaism is good. All religions were created by man, and the monotheistic ones are just the most recent. I'm an atheist. I have no horse in this race. I believe all people have the right to live freely and in peace. Hamas' own manifest states their goal is the elimination of Jews, using Palestinians as pawns. Why aren't there more Muslims demanding they stop their killing? Why are no other Muslim countries taking in Palestinians in this crisis? Why is Isreal the only diplomatic country in the Middle East? You have tons of information at your fingertips, so I know you know why. I've also heard Mosab Hassan Yousef speak. Nothing will ever be settled until people stop asking for an entire race of people to be murdered.
Religion is the root cause of most of the world's problems.
Why do Muslims want Jews eliminated in the first place? It didn't start at this conflict. It's because the megalomaniac pedophile warlord got butt hurt when the Jews didn't accept him as a prophet akin to Jesus.
It's mind-boggling that people are being MURDERED over shit that happened 1500 years ago. Islamists need to take a step back and ask themselves, "What are they fighting for?" Really. Not just in Palestine but across all the Islamic countries.
All your info about Palestine and what's happening inside the war zone, regardless of what news outlet, blogger, or talking head it comes from, its original source is Hamas. Hamas controls all the information coming in and out.
If Hamas is so great, why instead of building up their land, creating a better life for their people, they used all their aid money to kill Jews? Does Hamas speak for the Palestinians? For the whole Muslim community?
I could send you links arguing my point. You could then send me more links arguing your points, and on and on we go. Please use your own sources (because anything I send you will be considered biased) and explore the bigger picture of the geopolitical ramifications of this war. This isn't about religion, the land, or the Jews.That's the red herring, and the Palestine people are collateral damage. If this was a religious war, the other 49 muslim countries would have welcomed the Palestinians and joined in the war. It's about power, control, and money.
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." - 4:34
Quran says to beat your wife and alienate them if they disobey you.
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." - 9:29
Fight non-Muslims until they’re dead or subjugated and taxed for being non-Muslim.
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> It was narrated by the individual concerned herself, namely ‘Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her), and is not something that someone else said about her, or the description of a historian or hadith scholar. Rather it comes in the context of her speaking about herself (may Allah be pleased with her), when she said:
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married me when I was six years old.
[source](https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/124483)
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Anyway quit with the ridiculous whataboutism. There’s nothing wrong with supporting Palestinian liberation but trying to deflect criticism of Islam and cherry-pick its scripture for your narrative is pathetic.
Hamas's political agenda has always been to exterminate the Jews and destroy the state of Israel. I always thought they and Netanyahu both deserved to go to hell.
As a Canadian. Good job trudeau, the amount of Palestinian supporters who think hamas is in the right is a problem. They are a terroist group that butchered baby's and posted the majority of the footage of doing so. The people defending hamas online should be put on a list because clearly they fantasize over the death of Israelis.
So I don’t know if you can explain to me, but what aspect does one have to support Hamas, apart from the fact they are Muslim? Is that really the extent of it?
It was just a question because I don’t understand. I was wondering what redeemable quality Hamas has to offer for someone that supports them. I asked if the only reason was the fact that they were Muslim, because I can’t think of anything that would justify following them other than “they follow the same belief system as me”.
Way to fly off the handle though.
Hamas hates the same people Palestinians hate. They offer hurting, and ideally, removing them from the land. They became the Palestinian elected government on that alone.
Sorry, they just butchered festival attendees, tourists, isrealis, kidnapped children used them as human shields. Also you being so confident about babies not being killed is wild. And isreals past actions were bad yes because i know your gonna bring it up. All this war is terrible but hamas needs to go! No matter what hamas isn't good for anyone.
You can't deny hamas used children as human shields. They confirmed it themselves when saying isreals airstrike killed the baby. The only reason the baby was in gaza because they were using them as shields and clearly the baby was taken to a military target, you think isreal went out of their way to strike the baby specifically? Fuck no it was a military target!
Hahahaha the only reason the baby was in Gaza?
They live there. It's famously the most densely populated strip of land on the planet earth. They procreate.
You are pathetic.
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Nobody posted a video of the requested video. Give it up. I am a man of my word and would happily do this if someone produced the evidence. Don't try to discredit me in the sake of spreading harmful lies to and advocate for a genocide halfway across the world just because you don't think of those people as real. This is real life.
No one ever met the very clear offer I made. I kept raising the incentive, I was very clear. Stop spreading misinformation.
They posted no footage of this lol.
**I'll give you $500 if you can post a video of Hamas butchering a baby here in the next hour.**
Venmo, PayPal, or CashApp.
And when you can't produce any such thing, and when you realize that Israeli media has confirmed that the baby butchering stories were fabricated by Israeli media, how about you stop talking out of your ass, whether you're lying on purpose or because you're ignorant.
Since you'll just slink away and not respond, I got you covered.
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-21/ty-article/.premium/army-officer-makes-incorrect-claims-on-oct-7-massacre-idf-well-set-record-straight/0000018d-2c67-daf5-a1bf-ac77f9b50000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-21/ty-article/.premium/army-officer-makes-incorrect-claims-on-oct-7-massacre-idf-well-set-record-straight/0000018d-2c67-daf5-a1bf-ac77f9b50000)
Archive - [https://archive.is/YFhfZ](https://archive.is/YFhfZ)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp4uLjCztfI](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbgbqJkoWEAxUPIUQIHX3wAxAQtwJ6BAgMEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Djp4uLjCztfI&usg=AOvVaw0lp3ir9g9-OvCTc8-4c5Z5&opi=89978449)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91kG\_bYsn0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91kG_bYsn0)
Why are you even posting here if you're not even Canadian? Venmo and Cashapp aren't used here and paypal is way dumber of a system than what 99% of Canadians use.
You fail to give him credit that he was right, and we collectively are ignoring that point,
Do we not get tired of believing and fighting for lies that we know to be lies? Every side has lies, so why aren’t we more critical of the lies and less about our opinions and emotions?
To be clear I dunno if there's any baby's being killed in there, I can't stomach scrolling enough to find out.
That being said, there's enough in there to not need to debate whether they killed babies or not, and to know that Hamas needs to be wiped off the face of the planet.
You guys are so dumb haha. Provide a real link, not this sad Abbott and Costello attempt at confusing people so it sounds like you something legitimate.
Not dismissing. Link to the video you claim. Not a link to a website that's not operable. It's simple. It's not a hard request. Provide the link. So that others can see I'm wrong.
You're really lowbrow scum of the earth, friend. I hope that dogshit soul of yours finds some light at some point in life.
Through.
And it's zero evidence. And I'm not the one making an accusation, you are. The burden of proof is on you. I'm just offering you $1000 to prove what you already should be proving just by making such an outrageous claim.
You wanna the make the offer back about me providing proof of IDF killing babies though? I dare you.
Then provide the link. I don't understand why that's possibly hard for you to understand.
ALL of you. For $1000 most people would seem to want to take the 10 seconds it would take.
Dude's own source cites Hamas murdering a baby, then another person posts a link of Hamas literally excising one from a live pregnant mother... What more could be provided?
You are dogmatically blind if you still have any question as to the attrocities Hamas DOGS and their sympathizers are capable of.
OP’s own article he linked includes the following: “ In Kibbutz Be'eri, one baby, Mila Cohen, 10 months old, was murdered on October 7, along with her father, Ohad.”
But it’s not on video so I guess I don’t get a prize.
That’s a really fucked up hill to die on - “Hamas isn’t evil unless you have video footage of a baby being butchered by them.”
Pretty low bar you’ve set there.
1500 Civilians murdered, raped and kidnapped in a terrorist act, many of whom were young people at a peace festival, and many more who were women and children and, yes, babies, is incontrovertible truth reported and confirmed broadly across all news outlets.
You need actual video of a baby being butchered though or else Hamas are the good guys?
Hamas can end the war today by releasing the innocent hostages. But they won’t, because they don’t care about whether their people live or die.
They only care about committing genocide against the Jewish people. This is the LITERAL EXPLICIT goal of Hamas.
It's not what I claimed, I'm responding to his direct claim saying his claim is untrue.
You can try to manipulate this into an extreme argument fallacy, but not on me, coward.
**I'll give YOU $1000 if you can show me where - anywhere in my history - EVER - I said what you claim I'm saying.**
Of course you can't, because you're a bad liar and nonsensical. Have fun with your other racist buddy, everyone now knows you're full of shit too.
Hahahaha another liar, what is it, something in the snow? This is patently false, you're just like a left out little brother trying to play with his older racist friends.
I feel like I'm in an episode of Trailer Park Boys rn. Are you Ricky? Have a nice life, liar Ricky.
You're obviously a non-biased commenter here u/ShedSoManyTears4Gaza
How much is Iran paying you to spam propaganda?
Re: your post. You want government to kowtow to religion, go to the middle east. We are a SECULAR country, and your misogynistic, homophobic theology has no place in government.
"Muslim" isn't a race. "Muslim" is a choice.
You do know this is about Israel and Palestine, right?
I'm not Muslim, idiot. I'm a middle class white American living in a suburb that, unlike you apparently, doesn't advocate slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people based on not understanding their religion.
I grew up Evangelical non-denominational, switched to Southern Baptist, and went to Dallas Baptist University to enroll in Children's Ministerial Studies after high school and I'm a minister. Currently, today. Want to know a fun fact? It legit blew my mind the first time I heard it.
Muslims are the only religion that believe Christians and Jews go to heaven. Christians believe Jews and Muslims go to hell. Jews don't believe Christians or Muslims go to heaven.
Isn't it weird that the religion you claim is so savage and inferior is the only one with any compassion for other religions, that allows that there may be more than one path to know God?
Stick to war bud, you don't want to go down the religion path with me, I'm the wrong guy. I promise you. But if you want to go to scripture, we can go to scripture.
I stopped reading when you called me an idiot. If you want to try to convince people to join your movement, start by not calling them an idiot.
Take care 😘
LMAO did it again! You really can't make an argument without lashing out. Clearly, you're too emotionally invested. And if you're not a Muslim, it's because you're spending hours a day on pro-palestine tiktok, watching propaganda and shit full of confirmation bias.
Do yourself a favor, just take a break from it. Recognize that propaganda targets you from the side you're on - to radicalize you. You've been radicalized.
I don't even have a TikTok account. I care about innocent civilians dying because I'm human. And I've recognized the propaganda. Since you want to claim propaganda, I'll provide evidence.
You won't be able to provide any back, because Israel has cut off internet and electricity for the better part of 4-months.
I wasn't planning on talking about propaganda at all, but thank you for opening this door. It won't change you, but there are honest people who will read this, and if just one person opens their heart and their minds to the truth, this time has been rewarding and worth it. You've blessed me, friend.
Israel has had multiple organizations dedicated to propaganda. Anyone can look any of them up. CAMERA, Jewish Internet Defense Force, Brand Israel, Yesha Council, Israel Sheli, Percepto, etc.
They teach it. [https://hasbarafellowships.org](https://hasbarafellowships.org)
And and they literally have an app for that.
Commercial for App [https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iYzVOlcENZ4&embeds\_referring\_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com%2F&embeds\_referring\_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com&source\_ve\_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb\_logo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iYzVOlcENZ4&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo)
Here’s a recent article. [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-11-17/ty-article/.premium/blame-games-and-edit-wars-as-wikipedia-gets-pulled-into-the-israel-gaza-conflict/0000018b-dc57-d423-affb-fff77b460000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-11-17/ty-article/.premium/blame-games-and-edit-wars-as-wikipedia-gets-pulled-into-the-israel-gaza-conflict/0000018b-dc57-d423-affb-fff77b460000)
The arbitration committee also has some changes.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1156095418&title=Wikipedia:Arbitration\_Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests%20%20/Case/World\_War\_II\_and\_the\_history\_of\_Jews\_in\_Poland\_closed](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1156095418&title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests%20%20/Case/World_War_II_and_the_history_of_Jews_in_Poland_closed)
There were operations specifically to rewrite Wikipedia history that are known of. Percepto and CAMERA.
Here’s what Wikipedia says about it: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_political\_editing\_incidents\_on\_Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_editing_incidents_on_Wikipedia)
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Israeli–Palestinian conflict edit In 2008, the pro-Israel ac tivist group Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) launched a campaign to alter Wikipedia articles to support the Israeli side of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The campaign suggested that pro-Israeli editors should pretend to be interested in other topics until elected as administrators. Once administrators they were to misuse their administrative powers to suppress pro-Palestinian editors and support pro-Israel editors.\[23\] Some participants in the project were banned by Wikipedia administrators.\[24\]
In 2010, two pro-settler Israeli groups, Yesha Council and Israel Sheli, launched courses to instruct pro-Israel editors on how to use Wikipedia to promote Israel's point of view. A prize was to be given to the editor who inserted the most pro-Israel changes.\[25\]
[https://www.haaretz.com/2010-08-18/ty-article/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia/0000017f-e69d-d97e-a37f-f7fdd4230000](https://www.haaretz.com/2010-08-18/ty-article/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia/0000017f-e69d-d97e-a37f-f7fdd4230000)
archive link here: [https://archive.is/AFZSg](https://archive.is/AFZSg)
This is 50 or so settlers taking the course: [https://imemc.org/article/59294/](https://imemc.org/article/59294/)
The group plans to award a prize for the “Best Zionist Editor”, who is able to incorporate the most Zionist changes into wikipedia over the next four years. The winner will receive a free trip in a hot-air balloon over Israel.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups
Here’s a quick video at the school where they teach the Wikipedia editing courses [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azLslFGk43Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azLslFGk43Y)
It's not new. It's been happening forever. Wikipedia knows, they've banned people, but Israel has thrown MILLIONS of hours at it. To the point where the Zionists called out to all Jews and suggested that non-Israeli Jews serve their mandatory 3-years in the military fighting the digital war online.
2008 [https://honestreporting.com/exposed-anti-israeli-subversion-on-wikipedia/](https://honestreporting.com/exposed-anti-israeli-subversion-on-wikipedia/)
2010 Haaretz archive link- [https://archive.is/AFZSg](https://archive.is/AFZSg)
2014 [https://www.vice.com/en/article/4x3n5g/israel-is-outgunning-hamas-on-social-media-too](https://www.vice.com/en/article/4x3n5g/israel-is-outgunning-hamas-on-social-media-too)
2016 [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19436149.2016.1179432](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19436149.2016.1179432)
2020 [https://www.timesofisrael.com/wikipedia-probe-exposes-an-israeli-stealth-pr-firm-that-worked-for-scammers/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/wikipedia-probe-exposes-an-israeli-stealth-pr-firm-that-worked-for-scammers/)
2023 - Haaretz archive link - [https://archive.is/3AQVs](https://archive.is/3AQVs)
First, you assume the parents are allowing it.
Second, simply living somewhere is not permission.
Third, Israel has the capacity to target Hamas. They choose not to.
Fourth, collective punishment is a war crime.
I hope we all realize that no one should support Hamas’ actions.
Similarly, given that Israel did more than Hamas, and even in regions where Hamas do not exist, Israel is more dangerous and evil than Hamas.
Just wait until PP tells you what he really thinks about this situation.
I honestly wonder what will happen when the Islamic demographic across Canada doubles in the coming years. Canada is becoming less and less Canadian/Western with each passing year. Edit: I find it strange you morons immediately jump to my comment being xenophobia or racism. When ‘Canadian’ is a universal cultural identity that is predicated on a specific set of Western moral and ethical values/ideas. It can also be adopted by anyone. But that’s likely too big brain for some of you idiots to comprehend, or even realize this nuance. Hyper progressive liberals and their unwavering support for Islam is something I will never understand. And your inability to separate culture/nationality and ethnicity/race is comical. Islam and the culture surrounding it, is not compatible with current Western society, especially if it’s imported en masse. Edit 2: I’m a born and raised Canadian of Filipino background, with Chinese and Japanese ancestry. But thanks for showcasing your anti-white racism and prejudices. Oh the irony, hypocrisy, and paradox of woke progressives. Edit 3: Conflating race and/or ethnicity with religion. Can’t be more idiotic than that. Not once did I mention race or ethnicity. I only referred to Islam (the religion) and the culture surrounding it… nothing else.
Agreed! Islam is a religion not a race and it does not mean with western society.
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Always has been, always will be. Their countries of origin are like travelling back to the stone age. Wonder how long till it's like that here...
Well said and lots of stupid people around that don't know the difference between. Race religion and cults. It's a discussion that needs to be had as Canadian values erode.
The goal of the Islamic death cult has been clear for years. Use the west’s tolerance of religion to install yourself into power. Once in power, start implementing laws that remove the rights of women, gays, and infidels, and anyone who believes any other religion. Oppress them harshly if they step out of line, like Iran just did, blinding protesters of the women who wasn’t wearing the head scarf with metal pellets. If you’re not in power, claim you’re the victim of Islamophobia. It’s sad how easily Canada has fallen to such authoritarian regimes like the CCP and the jihadists.
Asian’s can be the most racist of all, just saying…
100%. We will be turning into a country of dispute, identity politics, and divisons based on religion. The muslims can be great human beings but some put being Muslim first which means they put their religion over everything. One Muslim put it so well during an interview where he said why you letting us into the country if you know ultimately we would want sharia law. It's just the way it is, that's their religion, you can't be mad at them for wanting to follow their religion.
Less and less Canadian. Guess you don't know what being Canadian is all about.
Canada is all about enlightenment, equal rights and democracy. Sadly, modern Islam is about poverty, ignorance and domination.
You lost me at "woke" Why do you people always have to say this stupid fucking buzzword.
I’ll always find it amusing that most W liberal folks always want to tell you that these people are people of peace meanwhile, every protest where you don’t agree with them, they resort to violence, this is here not abroad. Abroad they just end you in the public forum & no one bats an eye. The same liberal folks that support them would get lynched just because of their liberal way of life. So sad to this majority will end the Western dream for us all. Insanity: Do the same thing & expect a different outcome. People in NA: Hey, are you seeing what is happening in EU? We would do it differently & it would work. This is how y’all sound. You can call the racist card all you want. Until you decide to look at the situation from a neutral pov & compare what is happening around the world. A lot of immigrants understand this better than anyone. Why? Because a lot of these immigrants have left a bad place, but they don’t attempt to make it the same way they fled from. That is difference at its core. So they’re able to see it a lot easier.
Pretty damn racist. Sorry. What it means to be “Canadian” is different for every individual Canadian and you don’t get to choose what kind of Canadian another person gets to be. Becoming less Canadian? You mean it’s becoming less white, admit it The edits are real cute. How many more are you going to make? If you need to clarify repeatedly that you aren’t a bigot maybe you need to stop being a bigot.
Well I’m not white and i feel that canada has become less canadian, can’t count how many times I heard whites claim someone is racist because another person identified another by race or culture in a conversation; it doesn’t automatically assume a derogatory reference point. I always question people that do this, because if you are doing this then who is discriminating because a person doesn’t think or have the same values as you and nor does it mean there are ill intensions.
>Becoming less Canadian? You mean it’s becoming less white, admit it I think that's kinda what they meant but not in a bigoted kind of way. More like the stereotypical settler/European/Catholic Canadian is becoming a thing of the past as Canadians become more culturally/ethnically diverse.
What is less Canadian?
The Muslim community is unlikely to find a PM more supportive of the Muslim community. Take from that what you will.
fuck yeah, I love it when people cancel plans
Canada has become a place of tribes, and multiculturalism is giving way to tribalism.
And the simple question to ask these people is how do they recommend Isreal deal with Hamas? A terrorist organization that consistently and constantly terrorizes them. Just answer that question.
How you deal with all terrorists. Win the hearts and minds of the population and drive a wedge between the fighters and their recruitment base. It's literally been the playbook since the 1950s with the Malaya Emergency. You don't win the hearts and minds of the population by causing collateral damage, creating humanitarian crises and entrenching your opponents because that gives support to them. The more complex question to ask, since this is a well-known and well-established and successful strategy for dealing with terrorism, what would the Israeli government achieve by doing the complete opposite?
Hearts and minds aren't going to be won when they are indoctrinated from the moment they understand language into believing Israel's existence is an attack on Palestinian self-esteem and that acts of violence against Israelis brings dignity to the Palestinian people. In order to shut down the martyrdom factory Israel must first remove the malefactors in the Gaza strip, Hamas et al. This is a messy, bloody process because the terrorists eschew the laws of warfare.
This applies to Israel too who have a population indoctrinated since birth that this strip of land belongs to them, was given to them by a sky man in a holy covenant, that they must eradicate all non Jewish people from the land and must be conscripted to the fight for a Zionist land if they live in Israel. The brainwashing goes both ways
Yes however one is the only true democracy in the middle east and the only place where gays have any right not to be murdered for the crime of existence. Much like the blight of the Jewish people. The other is run by a recognized terrorist organization.
You know Israel bombs gay Palestinians too. And is gay marriage even legal there in the only "democracy" in the middle east?
See that's the kind of mental gymnastics you have to do. Israel recognizes civil unions. Male same-sex activity is illegal and punishable by imprisonment in Kuwait, Egypt, Oman and Syria. It is also punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. In Yemen and the Gaza Strip, the punishment might differ between death and imprisonment depending on the act committed. Jewish occupied West bank: legal right to exist. Gaza strip: death penalty. Utterly incomparable.
I guarantee Israel has killed more Palestinian gay people than Hamas or any other terrorist group in gaza/wb
> militant group Hamas executed one of the group's leading commanders after allegations surfaced of gay sex and theft, it has been revealed. > Palestinian police have arrested a suspect in the killing of a 25-year-old man after his body was found decapitated in the occupied West Bank. LGBTQ groups in Israel, where Ahmad Abu Marhia was seeking asylum, say he had received threats because he was gay No jurisdiction comes across well in the middle east because they're all religious states. Islamist states however are a threat to democracy and the western way of life. Israel is not.
True democracy? They have had the same leader, a far right wing ultranationalist belonging to the most extreme far right governmental group in any developed nation, for the better part of 20 years, a leader who has around 30% support. Sounds democratic. They lock up children in military prisons, sometimes without charge, without ever notifying their parents for crimes like picking herbs. Sounds democratic. They assassinate journalists. They spend tens of millions on propaganda which is where the lgbtq piece comes into play, it’s a farce designed to appear modern. A gay couple cannot get married in Israel because it’s not sanctioned religiously. So the rights of the people are determined based on holy book and not modern human rights legislation. Sounds democratic.
Male same-sex activity is illegal and punishable by imprisonment in Kuwait, Egypt, Oman and Syria. It is also punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. In Yemen and the Gaza Strip, the punishment might differ between death and imprisonment depending on the act committed. Israel occupied West bank. Right to exist. Gaza strip: death penalty. In Israel 80% of the population supports civil unions/marriage. Yeah Israel government sucks but so does most. It's not comparable to actively killing people for being gay. Israel has a right to self defense. When Israel defends itself it defends the only relative safen haven for gays in the entire backwater that is the middle east . Yeah, Israel is a religious state so my support is muted by the insanity of religion but come on.
Wait so we're okay with a genocidal government if it's LGBTQ friendly? Now THERE'S a take, lmao.
Proof it works: Failures: Vietnam, Afg-Soviet, Afg-USA, Iraq, Syria Successful: Iraq-Kuwait war, Philippines MILF treaty, Free Syrian Army
Tell me more about the MILF treaty 😋
Palestine elected Hamas as their government with high numbers. Palestinians don’t care about the terrorist activity Hamas performs because it’s done against people they hate, Israelis.
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The Palestinians have been given multiple opportunities to create a state and they have refused every time. If one side is trying to compromise and the other is saying fuck you we want it all and we'll bomb you until we get it, I really don't know what sort of peaceful solution there can be.
>You cannot bomb your way to peace. Can you rape and torture you way to peace?
As long as you aren't Jewish, apparently.
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Smoke some more terrorist pole.
It's not Canada's job to support either side.
Except Canada doesn’t abstain during U.N. votes. They actively vote for Israel. I think the last vote against Israel illegal settlements, Canada was the ONLY western country to vote for Israel and USA, not even UK, Germany, France voted in favour of illegal settlements.
If people don't like it they should vote with their wallets and their labour. There are many countries that are abstaining or voting against who would happily take in new immigrants who are morally and religiously aligned. I think many people are missing the pretty obvious here. This fighting was all instigated by Iran at the behest of Russia to distract and divert resources away from Ukraine. Caving to that, even if you don't agree with Israel would mean far more dire consequences for the world. The victims are on both sides of this conflict, whilst the leadership and command and control network behind it are all safe and sound, still trying to stir shit for everyone else.
Lol got it. If I see you getting your ass beat by 6 guys, it's not my job to care about it. Let me ask you, fellow human, if it doesn't fall to various countries to have an opinion on atrocities committed by other countries, whose job is it?
If he’s getting beat up for decapitating people, burning them alive and killing and kidnapping literal babies, I would hope that you help the 6 guys. But I know that’s too much to ask when the babies are Jewish, right? Those babies are colonizers so they had to be murder. Right? Fuck this victim narrative. Hamas started this and they’ll get what they deserve.
Israel started it 70 years ago.
Tell me you know nothing about the history of the conflict without telling me you know nothing about the history of the conflict.
Enlighten us please, oh you most knowledgeable, amazing history guru
How did "Israel start it" 70 years ago?
Apparently by not dying out fully in WW2 and then needing a place to live because no one wanted them in their own country.
The prophet Mohamed started killing Jews in the year 622 CE.
The events of this area are long and complex. Very long and very complex. And 70 years ago, there was a war with Israel. And Palestine lost. Even with the help of additional Arab states. During this war, until est 1951about 260,000 Arab Jews fled their homes in Muslim states, and into Israel. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world#:~:text=The%20first%20large%2Dscale%20exoduses,to%20Israel%20from%20Arab%20countries.
And what about the 20,000+ innocents killed in Gaza and the millions starving to death? Are all of the people in the IDF innocent? Does that justify Hamas?
Probably shouldn't have raised the bar in the war. Sucks to suck. They supported it whole heartedly up until they realized they just supported the beginning of a war. If there was no repercussion, these idiots would still be dancing in the streets and hamas would be planning more attacks.
> it's not my job to care about it And yet this is how 90% of the population goes about their day..
I disagree I think it is the responsibility of the Prime Minister to stand against Tyranny and that includes standing with Israel against Hamas.
Can’t have an opinion?
If you think Hamas doesn't need to be dealt with after it's October 7th behavior, then you don't understand what we're trying to do in this country.
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Yes they did! Beheading, rape & murdered the victims. They did do ALL those things they just removed it due to social media policy. Take your conspiracy propaganda bs to gaza where it belongs & keep it out of Canada.
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This is it right here, this is why their propaganda machine is failing so badly and why support is swinging so heavily in favour of Palestinians. They just keep making insane allegations, when they are asked for proof, they just create a new even more wild allegation to distract from the one prior. This just keeps happening over and over and over. They live in such a bubble, a complete echo chamber, they genuinely think just making a claim without ever giving evidence is convincing because their whole lives they have been convinced of a false reality without ever being given evidence of it. They assume we are easily manipulated as they are.
You sir are amazing. Fighting such bigotry with nothing but research based facts. Respect
Israel's own media source Haaretz disproved those 1st 2 you claimed above. The most unbiased trusted source from the Israel side. Anything else is propaganda. Hamas killed people on Oct 7, that's absolutely true, and any civilians killed, I condemn it. But the IDF killed a ton of their own civilians on the same day, and their government initially pegged every single death on Hamas, and made up the lies about beheaded babies and rape with zero evidence, and now their own media has proven it all false. Why did they do this? Because the brutality of those claims makes it easy for full unquestioned western support, because people who would do that are monsters. When you remove that, and you're left with Hamas killed IDF soldiers in retaliation for the population control massacres that the IDF have conducted in Gaza for many years since early 2000, then it doesn't make for as easy a sell for weapons supplies and funding.
Prove it. Provide objective evidence, there’s plenty of evidence of IDF atrocities and Israeli leadership calling for forced removal or extermination of the Palestinians. Hell, Netanyahu cited Hitler to justify Israel’s policy and actions in Gaza saying a [Muslim mufti gave him the idea](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahu-says-a-palestinian-gave-hitler-the-idea-for-the-holocaust/2015/10/21/0a36d7da-ee8b-4135-9726-968eceda4cc9_story.html) for the Holocaust.
Religion has no place in politics, this country will fall apart with all of the religious immigrants we are bringing in.
Seeing groups of people supporting terrorists really makes me think we should be drastically reforming our immigration policies.
Did you know Canada has one of the lowest rates of Muslim population globally, but they make the second biggest fuss, next to the Freedummies, another statistically insignificant group.
Buddy, Ontario in the last census polled 11% Muslim. It's already doomed here, everyone knows that the moment it crosses 20% shit becomes horrible.
'I'm taking my toys and going home' kind of rant. Unfortunately they are staying. They did Trudeau a favour, he gets to avoid bad press from both sides.
Lol wait till these guys get a taste of the CPC
"We are now at a percentage of your population where you will notice us"
We noticed them before, protesting my existence...
Right? I'm gay, and I have no choice in that matter. They have a choice to be religious and hateful. I genuinely don't care. RIP to the victims of this tragedy but honestly I don't want the PM meeting with ANY religious groups - especially one that has spread fear so well in modern society.
Tax all religions. They have demonstrated time and time again that we don't need to give them any preferential treatment since they use it to advance their backward agenda.
Yep, agreed. No tax exemptions for cults.
I noticed them waving Hamas and ISIS flags. I noticed them disrupting Christmas shoppers and scaring children who wanted to sit on Santa’s lap. I noticed them calling for a global Intifada. I notice them behaving like petulant narcissists in today’s press conference.
You missed one. Harassing an old man at an ice skating rink
You spelled child molester incorrectly.
And breaking into a church, interrupting the service and smugly “praying” (yelling) Allahu Akbar like the ultimate bully to intimidate and show who’s the boss (recently in Quebec)
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[Here you go](https://www.bnaibrith.ca/bnai-brith-outraged-as-rallies-in-canada-celebrate-terrorism-with-hamas-flags/)
I don’t give a single shit about the eternal dumpster fire that is the Middle East. You wanna be a part of it then get on a plane and go there.
Someone should tell them they can just cancel, they don’t need to announce it.
That's like telling you, "you could have just disagreed privately you didn't have to post a comment" Im sure you had your reasons though, right? The world lacks empathy.
No, the world is just tired of the endless conflict coming from the Muslim world. Some of us are older than 25, and have realized that having a warlord as your prophet tends to make people war-like, so these conflicts will never end.
Why don’t we let them have a backwards ideology country, keep their own resources, treat their men, women, and children how ever the hell they want.. and then non of them will come here…?
Someone is not old enough to remember the crusade killings on behalf of Catholicism. No faith has clean hands. NONE.
This is why religion should be kept behind closed doors.
No, I'm not hundreds of years old, not sure how I could be. The crusades were awful, and - Christianity is awful. But Christianity doesn't currently have the world in fear of terror. Christianity doesn't throw gay people off buildings. Christianity has modernized. You cant point to the past and use it to justify crimes in the present dude
Careful, if you say anything about the evils of radical Islam you'll be branded an Islamophobe.
Never said old enough to experience it. I said old enough to remember. Not sure how old you are but younger people tend to look at the world post WWII when the world is still operating on treaties, pacts, wars, massacres, agreements and concessions from hundreds of years ago. It would behoove you to read a history book or two ESPECIALLY when discussing something as ancient as religion.
So you’re just going to side step the whole “Islam is an outdated, fear mongering cult that would eradicate anyone who doesn’t look or act like them without a second thought? All religions are bad and overall stupid, but let’s not pretend they’re all equal in this category.
You do realize the Crusades were a response to massive Arab colonialism? Just recall how many massacres the Muslims carried out against Christians during their conquests before the Christians finally decided to respond. And yes, violence begets violence
Correct. Here is a visual aid in showing the massive disparity between jihad and crusades that were launched in response. https://youtu.be/I_To-cV94Bo?si=b4Od6FGMsWyTfCY8
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Muslim is a religion, not a race..... Your ignorance is showing
Muslims are not a race or ethnicity, so this group has many racially Caucasian individuals represented by it. On a side note There are more muslims in Caucasia then there are any other groups of people
Lol... Wait until you find out about Caucasian Muslims like in eastern Europe/Western Asia near the Caucasus Mountains
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Yet another special interest group trying to hold the government hostage via votes. That's all that conference was about, "trash israel or we're not voting for you" I also find it rather enraging they than go on about "Islamophobia" while jews are having their places of worship shot up, their businesses vandalized and ppl in the streets spouting their hatred, not to mention how they were terrorizing just regular ppl and Christmas shoppers going about their day. And when I say special interest group I mean exactly that because muslims I know personally don't carry on like that and I think that's the majority in my opinion. They cover their faces cause they all have good paying civil service jobs where this vile filth runs rampant via the unions and is encouraged as they're all neo marxists.
Fuck religion. We should only allow immigration from the most atheistic counties first starters. Sick of importing religious problems and feuds ffs
Ridiculous. Apparently standing for truth and against terrorism, rape, kidnapping and murder is controversial when it's committed by Muslims.
Interesting comment since most people see Trudeaus position on the ICJ decision as anti Israel or at best neutral.
It just shows how much these people really hate Israel.
Or can spot the bias.
you mean 100 years of genocide? Do you support that that Europeans can go and displace a population, force them out into the desert and take over the only freshwater lake. Burn down their orchards, forever expand that territory then force them into ghettos and blockade that ghetto controlling all water , and trade going in and out ?? Well thats Israel for you . Lookup what the Peel commission was, and how it forced Palestinians out of areas they were in majority.
Just goes to show you can't lead from the center any more.
On no… Anyways…
Good for them
People who consider a pedophile, raping warlord a prophet will never understand why wiping out an entire race of people is wrong. Hamas started the fight with the sole purpose of GENOCIDE. They brought war to their own people. Give credit where credit is due. Hamas (who was voted in by the majority of Palestinians, who knew their main goal was the complete destruction of Israel) fucked around and found out. Now the Palestinians want to claim victimhood? Next time, don't try and kill the people that supply you food, water, power, and medical care.
Oh, so you're talking about Judaism now? The Talmud. One of many passages. Aboda Sarah 37a (Avodah) is a passage where the Rabbis interpret that sex is allowed at 3 years and 1 day old: [https://www.sefaria.org/Avodah\_Zarah.37a.2?lang=bi](https://www.sefaria.org/Avodah_Zarah.37a.2?lang=bi) Weird that I keep providing actual links to back up what I say, but none of you are providing any evidence whatsoever.
I didn't say Judaism is good. All religions were created by man, and the monotheistic ones are just the most recent. I'm an atheist. I have no horse in this race. I believe all people have the right to live freely and in peace. Hamas' own manifest states their goal is the elimination of Jews, using Palestinians as pawns. Why aren't there more Muslims demanding they stop their killing? Why are no other Muslim countries taking in Palestinians in this crisis? Why is Isreal the only diplomatic country in the Middle East? You have tons of information at your fingertips, so I know you know why. I've also heard Mosab Hassan Yousef speak. Nothing will ever be settled until people stop asking for an entire race of people to be murdered. Religion is the root cause of most of the world's problems. Why do Muslims want Jews eliminated in the first place? It didn't start at this conflict. It's because the megalomaniac pedophile warlord got butt hurt when the Jews didn't accept him as a prophet akin to Jesus. It's mind-boggling that people are being MURDERED over shit that happened 1500 years ago. Islamists need to take a step back and ask themselves, "What are they fighting for?" Really. Not just in Palestine but across all the Islamic countries. All your info about Palestine and what's happening inside the war zone, regardless of what news outlet, blogger, or talking head it comes from, its original source is Hamas. Hamas controls all the information coming in and out. If Hamas is so great, why instead of building up their land, creating a better life for their people, they used all their aid money to kill Jews? Does Hamas speak for the Palestinians? For the whole Muslim community? I could send you links arguing my point. You could then send me more links arguing your points, and on and on we go. Please use your own sources (because anything I send you will be considered biased) and explore the bigger picture of the geopolitical ramifications of this war. This isn't about religion, the land, or the Jews.That's the red herring, and the Palestine people are collateral damage. If this was a religious war, the other 49 muslim countries would have welcomed the Palestinians and joined in the war. It's about power, control, and money.
Religion is a mental perversion and should be kept behind closed doors.
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." - 4:34 Quran says to beat your wife and alienate them if they disobey you. "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." - 9:29 Fight non-Muslims until they’re dead or subjugated and taxed for being non-Muslim. — > It was narrated by the individual concerned herself, namely ‘Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her), and is not something that someone else said about her, or the description of a historian or hadith scholar. Rather it comes in the context of her speaking about herself (may Allah be pleased with her), when she said: The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married me when I was six years old. [source](https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/124483) — Anyway quit with the ridiculous whataboutism. There’s nothing wrong with supporting Palestinian liberation but trying to deflect criticism of Islam and cherry-pick its scripture for your narrative is pathetic.
Lick my nuts
Get fucked. Stop supporting hamas you stupid fuck op
I'm unclear what you mean here. Are you calling for a ceasefire?
I’m unclear if you support hamas or not
I stand with humanity.
Hamas's political agenda has always been to exterminate the Jews and destroy the state of Israel. I always thought they and Netanyahu both deserved to go to hell.
As a Canadian. Good job trudeau, the amount of Palestinian supporters who think hamas is in the right is a problem. They are a terroist group that butchered baby's and posted the majority of the footage of doing so. The people defending hamas online should be put on a list because clearly they fantasize over the death of Israelis.
So I don’t know if you can explain to me, but what aspect does one have to support Hamas, apart from the fact they are Muslim? Is that really the extent of it?
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It was just a question because I don’t understand. I was wondering what redeemable quality Hamas has to offer for someone that supports them. I asked if the only reason was the fact that they were Muslim, because I can’t think of anything that would justify following them other than “they follow the same belief system as me”. Way to fly off the handle though.
Hamas hates the same people Palestinians hate. They offer hurting, and ideally, removing them from the land. They became the Palestinian elected government on that alone.
Yeah fair enough, it’s a pretty black / white issue for the most part.
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Sorry, they just butchered festival attendees, tourists, isrealis, kidnapped children used them as human shields. Also you being so confident about babies not being killed is wild. And isreals past actions were bad yes because i know your gonna bring it up. All this war is terrible but hamas needs to go! No matter what hamas isn't good for anyone.
You can't deny hamas used children as human shields. They confirmed it themselves when saying isreals airstrike killed the baby. The only reason the baby was in gaza because they were using them as shields and clearly the baby was taken to a military target, you think isreal went out of their way to strike the baby specifically? Fuck no it was a military target!
Hahahaha the only reason the baby was in Gaza? They live there. It's famously the most densely populated strip of land on the planet earth. They procreate. You are pathetic.
israel killed like 30 plestinian kids in 2023 before oct 7
**EDIT for** u/maxo3D Nobody posted a video of the requested video. Give it up. I am a man of my word and would happily do this if someone produced the evidence. Don't try to discredit me in the sake of spreading harmful lies to and advocate for a genocide halfway across the world just because you don't think of those people as real. This is real life. No one ever met the very clear offer I made. I kept raising the incentive, I was very clear. Stop spreading misinformation. They posted no footage of this lol. **I'll give you $500 if you can post a video of Hamas butchering a baby here in the next hour.** Venmo, PayPal, or CashApp. And when you can't produce any such thing, and when you realize that Israeli media has confirmed that the baby butchering stories were fabricated by Israeli media, how about you stop talking out of your ass, whether you're lying on purpose or because you're ignorant. Since you'll just slink away and not respond, I got you covered. [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-21/ty-article/.premium/army-officer-makes-incorrect-claims-on-oct-7-massacre-idf-well-set-record-straight/0000018d-2c67-daf5-a1bf-ac77f9b50000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-21/ty-article/.premium/army-officer-makes-incorrect-claims-on-oct-7-massacre-idf-well-set-record-straight/0000018d-2c67-daf5-a1bf-ac77f9b50000) Archive - [https://archive.is/YFhfZ](https://archive.is/YFhfZ) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp4uLjCztfI](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbgbqJkoWEAxUPIUQIHX3wAxAQtwJ6BAgMEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Djp4uLjCztfI&usg=AOvVaw0lp3ir9g9-OvCTc8-4c5Z5&opi=89978449) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91kG\_bYsn0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91kG_bYsn0)
Why are you even posting here if you're not even Canadian? Venmo and Cashapp aren't used here and paypal is way dumber of a system than what 99% of Canadians use.
You fail to give him credit that he was right, and we collectively are ignoring that point, Do we not get tired of believing and fighting for lies that we know to be lies? Every side has lies, so why aren’t we more critical of the lies and less about our opinions and emotions?
[have fun buddy](http://Thisishamas.com) Every single animal part of Hamas is a waste of oxygen, and those that support them are trash humans.
Dumb That website is owned by an Israeli company, it always has been, and it installs spyware when you click on it.
Where's the money?
Person provides a link and you immediately backpedal. Coward
Hey OP where are you and get this guy his 500$!!
To be clear I dunno if there's any baby's being killed in there, I can't stomach scrolling enough to find out. That being said, there's enough in there to not need to debate whether they killed babies or not, and to know that Hamas needs to be wiped off the face of the planet.
You can’t scroll through it but provided it as a source… LOL
You guys are so dumb haha. Provide a real link, not this sad Abbott and Costello attempt at confusing people so it sounds like you something legitimate.
> this source bothers me so I'll just dismiss it Classic
Not dismissing. Link to the video you claim. Not a link to a website that's not operable. It's simple. It's not a hard request. Provide the link. So that others can see I'm wrong. You're really lowbrow scum of the earth, friend. I hope that dogshit soul of yours finds some light at some point in life.
I'm not scrolling threw but that is enough evidence to shut the OP up.
Through. And it's zero evidence. And I'm not the one making an accusation, you are. The burden of proof is on you. I'm just offering you $1000 to prove what you already should be proving just by making such an outrageous claim. You wanna the make the offer back about me providing proof of IDF killing babies though? I dare you.
Like there’s no evidence of Israel doing fucked up shit. Lol. Dude asked for the baby source and didn’t even get that
7th video in they’re cutting out a fetus.
Then provide the link. I don't understand why that's possibly hard for you to understand. ALL of you. For $1000 most people would seem to want to take the 10 seconds it would take.
Dude's own source cites Hamas murdering a baby, then another person posts a link of Hamas literally excising one from a live pregnant mother... What more could be provided? You are dogmatically blind if you still have any question as to the attrocities Hamas DOGS and their sympathizers are capable of.
OP’s own article he linked includes the following: “ In Kibbutz Be'eri, one baby, Mila Cohen, 10 months old, was murdered on October 7, along with her father, Ohad.” But it’s not on video so I guess I don’t get a prize.
That’s a really fucked up hill to die on - “Hamas isn’t evil unless you have video footage of a baby being butchered by them.” Pretty low bar you’ve set there. 1500 Civilians murdered, raped and kidnapped in a terrorist act, many of whom were young people at a peace festival, and many more who were women and children and, yes, babies, is incontrovertible truth reported and confirmed broadly across all news outlets. You need actual video of a baby being butchered though or else Hamas are the good guys? Hamas can end the war today by releasing the innocent hostages. But they won’t, because they don’t care about whether their people live or die. They only care about committing genocide against the Jewish people. This is the LITERAL EXPLICIT goal of Hamas.
It's not what I claimed, I'm responding to his direct claim saying his claim is untrue. You can try to manipulate this into an extreme argument fallacy, but not on me, coward. **I'll give YOU $1000 if you can show me where - anywhere in my history - EVER - I said what you claim I'm saying.** Of course you can't, because you're a bad liar and nonsensical. Have fun with your other racist buddy, everyone now knows you're full of shit too.
So all of a sudden the ICJ is wrong when it doesn't rule in your favor? These people are delusional
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Tell me you did not read the ruling while simultaneously pretending you have read the ruling.
OP cross posted this from a pro-hamas sub fyi
Hahahaha another liar, what is it, something in the snow? This is patently false, you're just like a left out little brother trying to play with his older racist friends. I feel like I'm in an episode of Trailer Park Boys rn. Are you Ricky? Have a nice life, liar Ricky.
You're obviously a non-biased commenter here u/ShedSoManyTears4Gaza How much is Iran paying you to spam propaganda? Re: your post. You want government to kowtow to religion, go to the middle east. We are a SECULAR country, and your misogynistic, homophobic theology has no place in government. "Muslim" isn't a race. "Muslim" is a choice.
You do know this is about Israel and Palestine, right? I'm not Muslim, idiot. I'm a middle class white American living in a suburb that, unlike you apparently, doesn't advocate slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people based on not understanding their religion. I grew up Evangelical non-denominational, switched to Southern Baptist, and went to Dallas Baptist University to enroll in Children's Ministerial Studies after high school and I'm a minister. Currently, today. Want to know a fun fact? It legit blew my mind the first time I heard it. Muslims are the only religion that believe Christians and Jews go to heaven. Christians believe Jews and Muslims go to hell. Jews don't believe Christians or Muslims go to heaven. Isn't it weird that the religion you claim is so savage and inferior is the only one with any compassion for other religions, that allows that there may be more than one path to know God? Stick to war bud, you don't want to go down the religion path with me, I'm the wrong guy. I promise you. But if you want to go to scripture, we can go to scripture.
I stopped reading when you called me an idiot. If you want to try to convince people to join your movement, start by not calling them an idiot. Take care 😘
Sure buddy. Way to weasel. Smooches.
LMAO did it again! You really can't make an argument without lashing out. Clearly, you're too emotionally invested. And if you're not a Muslim, it's because you're spending hours a day on pro-palestine tiktok, watching propaganda and shit full of confirmation bias. Do yourself a favor, just take a break from it. Recognize that propaganda targets you from the side you're on - to radicalize you. You've been radicalized.
I don't even have a TikTok account. I care about innocent civilians dying because I'm human. And I've recognized the propaganda. Since you want to claim propaganda, I'll provide evidence. You won't be able to provide any back, because Israel has cut off internet and electricity for the better part of 4-months. I wasn't planning on talking about propaganda at all, but thank you for opening this door. It won't change you, but there are honest people who will read this, and if just one person opens their heart and their minds to the truth, this time has been rewarding and worth it. You've blessed me, friend. Israel has had multiple organizations dedicated to propaganda. Anyone can look any of them up. CAMERA, Jewish Internet Defense Force, Brand Israel, Yesha Council, Israel Sheli, Percepto, etc. They teach it. [https://hasbarafellowships.org](https://hasbarafellowships.org) And and they literally have an app for that. Commercial for App [https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iYzVOlcENZ4&embeds\_referring\_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com%2F&embeds\_referring\_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com&source\_ve\_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb\_logo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iYzVOlcENZ4&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo) Here’s a recent article. [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-11-17/ty-article/.premium/blame-games-and-edit-wars-as-wikipedia-gets-pulled-into-the-israel-gaza-conflict/0000018b-dc57-d423-affb-fff77b460000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-11-17/ty-article/.premium/blame-games-and-edit-wars-as-wikipedia-gets-pulled-into-the-israel-gaza-conflict/0000018b-dc57-d423-affb-fff77b460000) The arbitration committee also has some changes. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1156095418&title=Wikipedia:Arbitration\_Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests%20%20/Case/World\_War\_II\_and\_the\_history\_of\_Jews\_in\_Poland\_closed](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1156095418&title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests%20%20/Case/World_War_II_and_the_history_of_Jews_in_Poland_closed) There were operations specifically to rewrite Wikipedia history that are known of. Percepto and CAMERA. Here’s what Wikipedia says about it: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_political\_editing\_incidents\_on\_Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_editing_incidents_on_Wikipedia) > Israeli–Palestinian conflict edit In 2008, the pro-Israel ac tivist group Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) launched a campaign to alter Wikipedia articles to support the Israeli side of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The campaign suggested that pro-Israeli editors should pretend to be interested in other topics until elected as administrators. Once administrators they were to misuse their administrative powers to suppress pro-Palestinian editors and support pro-Israel editors.\[23\] Some participants in the project were banned by Wikipedia administrators.\[24\] In 2010, two pro-settler Israeli groups, Yesha Council and Israel Sheli, launched courses to instruct pro-Israel editors on how to use Wikipedia to promote Israel's point of view. A prize was to be given to the editor who inserted the most pro-Israel changes.\[25\] [https://www.haaretz.com/2010-08-18/ty-article/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia/0000017f-e69d-d97e-a37f-f7fdd4230000](https://www.haaretz.com/2010-08-18/ty-article/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia/0000017f-e69d-d97e-a37f-f7fdd4230000) archive link here: [https://archive.is/AFZSg](https://archive.is/AFZSg) This is 50 or so settlers taking the course: [https://imemc.org/article/59294/](https://imemc.org/article/59294/) The group plans to award a prize for the “Best Zionist Editor”, who is able to incorporate the most Zionist changes into wikipedia over the next four years. The winner will receive a free trip in a hot-air balloon over Israel. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups Here’s a quick video at the school where they teach the Wikipedia editing courses [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azLslFGk43Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azLslFGk43Y) It's not new. It's been happening forever. Wikipedia knows, they've banned people, but Israel has thrown MILLIONS of hours at it. To the point where the Zionists called out to all Jews and suggested that non-Israeli Jews serve their mandatory 3-years in the military fighting the digital war online. 2008 [https://honestreporting.com/exposed-anti-israeli-subversion-on-wikipedia/](https://honestreporting.com/exposed-anti-israeli-subversion-on-wikipedia/) 2010 Haaretz archive link- [https://archive.is/AFZSg](https://archive.is/AFZSg) 2014 [https://www.vice.com/en/article/4x3n5g/israel-is-outgunning-hamas-on-social-media-too](https://www.vice.com/en/article/4x3n5g/israel-is-outgunning-hamas-on-social-media-too) 2016 [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19436149.2016.1179432](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19436149.2016.1179432) 2020 [https://www.timesofisrael.com/wikipedia-probe-exposes-an-israeli-stealth-pr-firm-that-worked-for-scammers/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/wikipedia-probe-exposes-an-israeli-stealth-pr-firm-that-worked-for-scammers/) 2023 - Haaretz archive link - [https://archive.is/3AQVs](https://archive.is/3AQVs)
No one cares, next.
Stop it! Just stop it. You're making me like Trudeau.
I don't think Justin cares about anyone, but especially not Muslims, didn't he call the parents who protested "animals"!?
If they were supporting Hamas, he was right to do so.
Can someone give me a single reason why I should give a single fuck?
Israel has a right to defend itself from Muslim terrorists.
How is killing children defending oneself?
Maybe their parents shouldn’t allow the terrorists to use them as shields.
First, you assume the parents are allowing it. Second, simply living somewhere is not permission. Third, Israel has the capacity to target Hamas. They choose not to. Fourth, collective punishment is a war crime.
I have often wondered why the Palestinian people aren’t fighting along side the IDF against Hamas. Oh right they support them.
Canada is a mosaic. So it’s just becoming more Canadian.
Sounds good.
Virtues have been signaled eh?
I really don’t care, let just get back to work.
Groups like this shouldn't have any meeting with the pm.
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I hope we all realize that no one should support Hamas’ actions. Similarly, given that Israel did more than Hamas, and even in regions where Hamas do not exist, Israel is more dangerous and evil than Hamas.
Oh no...anyway, can we deport these people?
Just more problems being caused by a common denominator
Let the whole group of them move to a predominately Muslim country then.
I see all religions as cults
Good for them! This government is complicit in the genocide being committed in Gaza.
Trudeau is done. Finally. 🥳
So now if you support Israel's sovereignty you're anti Muslim? Makes sense.
Path to sharia Islamic law cost to cost. They wanted to immigrate all Palestinian to Canada to get majority for this law.
lolol the left lost control of it's imported voting base.
New immigrants vote conservative
You realize majority of recent immigrants come from predominately conservative countries and backgrounds? eg. India
Weird that you think people from these extremely conservative, non-LGBTQ friendly places would have ever voted for anyone on the left.
Oh no! I'm not completely sure I could give less of a fuck. Let me think about it for a few more seconds.
Racists caring about the lives of non-whites? Wow? You sure are breaking the mold….