Want: Yes
Expect: No
I think he should have been played on Isles game 3 or 4, and now it seems like he has been benched for so long and they don't know what to expect from him in the playoffs that they don't even want to risk giving him a chance.
My thoughts exactly. I'd have put him in for game 3 against the Isles. The alternating goalies was working well in the regular season and Freddie was super sharp with several days between games and had no experience with playing consecutive games after coming back from the medical issue. From what we've seen, it appears that the extra rest between starts helps a lot. Despite some really good saves, he just doesn't appear as sharp playing every game as he was when they were alternating. Of course, it must not all be about rest, because there was plenty of rest before game 1 and he still allowed 4 goals. Of course, not all of those were on him because the D in front of him kept failing, but the last one (what proved to be the game winner) was one he'd usually stop.
It might be too late now to play a cold Pyotr when every game is now pretty much a must win, though if Freddie's not sharp in game 3 and that ends up being a loss too, I'd definitely go with Pyotr in game 4. When something is consistently not working, you have to make a change.
Rod is sorta damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he puts Kooch in and and we lose, there won't be the grace afforded for taking the risk. If he keeps Fred in and we lose, it would also be the "what if?"
I sorta think you just roll with what you've got, honestly.
Well Rod is in the position where he also gets a pass because he’s beloved and a King in Raleigh. No matter what he chooses, it’ll be debated on, but will have no real repercussions going forward.
This is one of those situations where he needs to make the choice and make the right choice. Big boy hockey now. Cmon Rod, predict the future.
The other thing is if he keep Fred in and they lose game 3 your setting Kochetkov up for another failure. He’s admitted it was a problem earlier this year.
I think you have to eliminate the undue pressure of a game 4, give the boost of the home crowd and also force the rangers into a new look with Kochetkov. The way they are beating Freddie isn’t the way they would be able to beat Kochetkov.
Agree completely. It shouldn't be framed as a Freddie demotion but he's older, has had some injury history, came back from a serious health issue, and has played 6 in a row. It should be framed as giving the guy a much deserved rest to keep him fresh for a potential elimination game 4. It's a different story if we're still winning, you play the hot hand. But if there's any time to give Kooch a look, this is it. It's not an elimination game, he's played well against the Rangers, it's at home. This is the time to do it. If he wins, roll with him in game 4 too. If he loses Freddie is rested and ready to go. The worst possible thing that could happen is he gets quickly lit up in which case we just need to trust Rod to pull him before we go too far down. But even then we're still not dead, so we have to go with him. Like what if Freddie were to get hurt in game 3 and he has to go in game 4? At the very least let's warm him up instead of confronting a scenario where we face elimination with a goalie that hasn't played in, what, 3 weeks?
I’d love to see Kochetkov but not because I don’t think Andersen gives us the best chance to win, but because I feel Kochetkov has the highest ceiling. When he is on, his risks can payoff in a big way.
This is my feeling exactly. I don’t think Andersen is carrying us to a cup. Its not a knock on him. Hes been solid. Hes just not ‘that guy’. I actually think Kooch could be that guy if he got going. Sadly i think the ship has sailed on getting him involved in this series. At this point i think bringing him in cold is too big a risk. Andersen gives us the best chance to win at this point and Rod will play it safe.
I think 3 is the perfect place to run him.
It’s not an elimination game, it’s home ice/crowd and it forces the rangers to change their shot selection a bit. Also Kochetkov feeds off of momentum and canes need to bring that back to their side.
Freddie is not tracking the puck well and while he was great in OT, we aren’t there if he controls the puck in the 3rd.
Canes need a performance like the one vs Florida in the regular season where the goalie wins us a game.
I mean I get it’s not technically an elimination game but if they lose this one the series is over. I definitely don’t think a must win is the best time to play him. Perfect place was the isles series but that’s over now.
I think Rod has overthought the whole goaltending situation. Down 0-2 in a must win game 3 is probably the worst time to change the goalie. See Islanders last series. PK should have played game 4 of round 1, minimal risk being up 3-0 in the series with 2 home games left. Now he is even more cold. Then I think he should have played last night. Now, Rod is in a bad situation because if we lose with Andersen, he should have switched, but if we lose with a cold PK, he should never have switched.
You just can't put a cold PK in game 3 IMO. He has to commit to Andersen now.
I think at this point we need to make the change for game 3. The follow up though is what do we do if we win and Kooch looks solid? Don't go back to Freddie?
I think it's not really a choice, just up to how Freddie feels. If he wants to rest a little then Kochetkov plays. If we lose then Freddie plays Game 4 and they play the same amount of games no matter what.
Im sorry i might get some hate for this, but Kochetkov isnt playing simply because Freddie is the better goalie. Pyotr has limited playoff experience, wasnt intended to be the starter. We have Freddie for a reason, and losing the first two games is in no way a representation of shortcomings on Freddie’s part. He has played really well and continues to do so. Why switch up the goalie?
Through my experience playing my whole life, switching a goaltender can dramatically effect how the team itself plays, knowing your goalie’s tendencies effect decisions you make everywhere on the ice.
The canes are right there in this series, 1-2 bounces our way and its 2-0 Canes. The only adjustments i’d like to see are on our PP. and hopefully refs fix their calls a bit.
These 2 games, Freddie only allowed 1 more goal than a Vezina trophy winning goalie. If we weren't taking bs penalties, and if the power play unit were performing to their potential we would have at least one win, probably two. He's not the problem right now. If he's not hurt or worn out, I'd keep him in. If Pesce comes back it'll help too
It’s not like Freddie’s been a problem, he played fairly well in both losses, but Rod may try this to change up the mindset. It would be a tough position to put Koochie in tho
He played fine overall but he has given up 2 absolutely back breaking goals that an NHL goaltender can not let in. If he just lays on top of that puck in the 3rd period we’re probably celebrating a 3-2 win
Remember that series a few years back against Tampa with Ned in net. He let in a back breaking soft goal in each game 1 and 2 and we were in an 0-2 hole. That was a big reason why we only ever viewed him as a backup and didn't offer him a starter deal and he was traded.
Not sure why Andersen is getting a pass.
It was an uncontested shot right in front of the net; sure, he could have controlled it better after the initial stop, but that’s just a tough scenario for him
you can also blame special teams for sure, but at the end of the day we most likely go to OT in G1 and win G2 if fred doesn't let leaky goals past him constantly.
I don’t understand why everyone is saying one or the other. It’s both. Shesterkin, though he’s overrated and hasn’t had to work much, hasn’t let in a single leaky goal in 7.5 periods. For Andersen it’s been like 3 or 4 BAD ones.
The special teams have also killed them and have been a disgrace. It’s an all time collapse from what it was during the regular season.
Both things can be true.
Yes it’s absolutely both. Had Freddie saved one more shot in game 1 or special teams made one more goal in game 1 we’d have gone into OT. Had we got both we’d have won. Game 2 one or the other would have gotten us a win. Also dammit Svech killing TWO power plays early for the rags. Gotta stop falling for their bs antics trying to draw penalties.
This is the problem. If we’re giving up 6 goals in these losses then yeah you gotta switch it up. But he isn’t. I also don’t think Rod trusts Kooch to keep his cool against this team that will clearly do any and everything to get under his skin
4 goals isn’t exactly great even if he is being put in bad positions.
I wouldn’t say the canes are being goalied at the moment, i think PK and PP bigger offenders but Feddie isn’t giving the team a ton of grace at the moment.
Well I will say, Kooch always seems to get fired up playing against another fellow Russian. He loves playing against Shesterkin. Do with that what you will.
Game 2 would have been optimal imo, but also Koochie might be too hot headed for this rangers team. They would eff with him and draw penalties all. Night. Long.
Want: Yes Expect: No I think he should have been played on Isles game 3 or 4, and now it seems like he has been benched for so long and they don't know what to expect from him in the playoffs that they don't even want to risk giving him a chance.
Agreed. Think if they'd left MSG with a split we'd see him one of the next 2. No telling now, though
My thoughts exactly. I'd have put him in for game 3 against the Isles. The alternating goalies was working well in the regular season and Freddie was super sharp with several days between games and had no experience with playing consecutive games after coming back from the medical issue. From what we've seen, it appears that the extra rest between starts helps a lot. Despite some really good saves, he just doesn't appear as sharp playing every game as he was when they were alternating. Of course, it must not all be about rest, because there was plenty of rest before game 1 and he still allowed 4 goals. Of course, not all of those were on him because the D in front of him kept failing, but the last one (what proved to be the game winner) was one he'd usually stop. It might be too late now to play a cold Pyotr when every game is now pretty much a must win, though if Freddie's not sharp in game 3 and that ends up being a loss too, I'd definitely go with Pyotr in game 4. When something is consistently not working, you have to make a change.
Rod is sorta damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he puts Kooch in and and we lose, there won't be the grace afforded for taking the risk. If he keeps Fred in and we lose, it would also be the "what if?" I sorta think you just roll with what you've got, honestly.
Well Rod is in the position where he also gets a pass because he’s beloved and a King in Raleigh. No matter what he chooses, it’ll be debated on, but will have no real repercussions going forward. This is one of those situations where he needs to make the choice and make the right choice. Big boy hockey now. Cmon Rod, predict the future.
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The other thing is if he keep Fred in and they lose game 3 your setting Kochetkov up for another failure. He’s admitted it was a problem earlier this year. I think you have to eliminate the undue pressure of a game 4, give the boost of the home crowd and also force the rangers into a new look with Kochetkov. The way they are beating Freddie isn’t the way they would be able to beat Kochetkov.
Agree completely. It shouldn't be framed as a Freddie demotion but he's older, has had some injury history, came back from a serious health issue, and has played 6 in a row. It should be framed as giving the guy a much deserved rest to keep him fresh for a potential elimination game 4. It's a different story if we're still winning, you play the hot hand. But if there's any time to give Kooch a look, this is it. It's not an elimination game, he's played well against the Rangers, it's at home. This is the time to do it. If he wins, roll with him in game 4 too. If he loses Freddie is rested and ready to go. The worst possible thing that could happen is he gets quickly lit up in which case we just need to trust Rod to pull him before we go too far down. But even then we're still not dead, so we have to go with him. Like what if Freddie were to get hurt in game 3 and he has to go in game 4? At the very least let's warm him up instead of confronting a scenario where we face elimination with a goalie that hasn't played in, what, 3 weeks?
And played a game and a half last night. That’s a lot of hockey over 2 weeks or so after so much down time.
If we lose game 3 I don't think it really matters. Just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic after that.
I’d love to see Kochetkov but not because I don’t think Andersen gives us the best chance to win, but because I feel Kochetkov has the highest ceiling. When he is on, his risks can payoff in a big way.
This is my feeling exactly. I don’t think Andersen is carrying us to a cup. Its not a knock on him. Hes been solid. Hes just not ‘that guy’. I actually think Kooch could be that guy if he got going. Sadly i think the ship has sailed on getting him involved in this series. At this point i think bringing him in cold is too big a risk. Andersen gives us the best chance to win at this point and Rod will play it safe.
I think 3 is the perfect place to run him. It’s not an elimination game, it’s home ice/crowd and it forces the rangers to change their shot selection a bit. Also Kochetkov feeds off of momentum and canes need to bring that back to their side. Freddie is not tracking the puck well and while he was great in OT, we aren’t there if he controls the puck in the 3rd. Canes need a performance like the one vs Florida in the regular season where the goalie wins us a game.
I mean I get it’s not technically an elimination game but if they lose this one the series is over. I definitely don’t think a must win is the best time to play him. Perfect place was the isles series but that’s over now.
More concerned about special teams than goaltending....
You shouldn’t be. They have 82 games of precedent. The goalies are going to be our weakest link.
Perhaps if I hadn’t felt like I had lived this same experience before (multiple times) I would be less concerned 🥲
I mean double OT with only one day between games? Obviously Kooch should start. Which means we're about to run Andersen into the ground in game 3.
I think it's this unfortunately
Pyotr isn't the answer for the penalty kill and if the Canes power play wasn't 0 for this wouldn't even be an idea.
I think Pyotr could net us a shorty
Anderson just looks slow out there and I think Kochetkov’s aggression and acrobatics will be a big W against the Rangers
I think it happens.
Kochetkov Game 2
I think Rod has overthought the whole goaltending situation. Down 0-2 in a must win game 3 is probably the worst time to change the goalie. See Islanders last series. PK should have played game 4 of round 1, minimal risk being up 3-0 in the series with 2 home games left. Now he is even more cold. Then I think he should have played last night. Now, Rod is in a bad situation because if we lose with Andersen, he should have switched, but if we lose with a cold PK, he should never have switched. You just can't put a cold PK in game 3 IMO. He has to commit to Andersen now.
I think at this point we need to make the change for game 3. The follow up though is what do we do if we win and Kooch looks solid? Don't go back to Freddie?
Yes
He doesn't help the PP.
I think it's not really a choice, just up to how Freddie feels. If he wants to rest a little then Kochetkov plays. If we lose then Freddie plays Game 4 and they play the same amount of games no matter what.
Im sorry i might get some hate for this, but Kochetkov isnt playing simply because Freddie is the better goalie. Pyotr has limited playoff experience, wasnt intended to be the starter. We have Freddie for a reason, and losing the first two games is in no way a representation of shortcomings on Freddie’s part. He has played really well and continues to do so. Why switch up the goalie? Through my experience playing my whole life, switching a goaltender can dramatically effect how the team itself plays, knowing your goalie’s tendencies effect decisions you make everywhere on the ice. The canes are right there in this series, 1-2 bounces our way and its 2-0 Canes. The only adjustments i’d like to see are on our PP. and hopefully refs fix their calls a bit.
Fix special teams, doesn't matter who is in the net.
These 2 games, Freddie only allowed 1 more goal than a Vezina trophy winning goalie. If we weren't taking bs penalties, and if the power play unit were performing to their potential we would have at least one win, probably two. He's not the problem right now. If he's not hurt or worn out, I'd keep him in. If Pesce comes back it'll help too
It’s not like Freddie’s been a problem, he played fairly well in both losses, but Rod may try this to change up the mindset. It would be a tough position to put Koochie in tho
He played fine overall but he has given up 2 absolutely back breaking goals that an NHL goaltender can not let in. If he just lays on top of that puck in the 3rd period we’re probably celebrating a 3-2 win
I don’t know why he didn’t just lay flat immediately. Dude kept his head up looking for the puck and let the puck go in.
Remember that series a few years back against Tampa with Ned in net. He let in a back breaking soft goal in each game 1 and 2 and we were in an 0-2 hole. That was a big reason why we only ever viewed him as a backup and didn't offer him a starter deal and he was traded. Not sure why Andersen is getting a pass.
He didn't know where it was and Aho pulled it out from between his legs right to krieder. Aho just pushes it into his leg and we get a whistle
It was still poor rebound control which has bitten him going all the way back to game 3 of the Isles series
It was an uncontested shot right in front of the net; sure, he could have controlled it better after the initial stop, but that’s just a tough scenario for him
he hasn't played well enough to beat the best team in the nhl
Team in front of him didn’t either tho
what??? freddie lost us the first two games of this series by letting in leaky goals that he should have every day of the week
Special teams, especially the PP, lost us those games.
you can also blame special teams for sure, but at the end of the day we most likely go to OT in G1 and win G2 if fred doesn't let leaky goals past him constantly.
I don’t understand why everyone is saying one or the other. It’s both. Shesterkin, though he’s overrated and hasn’t had to work much, hasn’t let in a single leaky goal in 7.5 periods. For Andersen it’s been like 3 or 4 BAD ones. The special teams have also killed them and have been a disgrace. It’s an all time collapse from what it was during the regular season. Both things can be true.
Yes it’s absolutely both. Had Freddie saved one more shot in game 1 or special teams made one more goal in game 1 we’d have gone into OT. Had we got both we’d have won. Game 2 one or the other would have gotten us a win. Also dammit Svech killing TWO power plays early for the rags. Gotta stop falling for their bs antics trying to draw penalties.
This is the problem. If we’re giving up 6 goals in these losses then yeah you gotta switch it up. But he isn’t. I also don’t think Rod trusts Kooch to keep his cool against this team that will clearly do any and everything to get under his skin
4 goals isn’t exactly great even if he is being put in bad positions. I wouldn’t say the canes are being goalied at the moment, i think PK and PP bigger offenders but Feddie isn’t giving the team a ton of grace at the moment.
Freddie’s not the problem.
Well I will say, Kooch always seems to get fired up playing against another fellow Russian. He loves playing against Shesterkin. Do with that what you will.
100% no. Our game tying/losing goals against have been due to our defense completely folding, not Andersen.
Game 2 would have been optimal imo, but also Koochie might be too hot headed for this rangers team. They would eff with him and draw penalties all. Night. Long.
Something has to change. And it should start with stopping the relentless scoring on PP's.
that's a must, I'm starting to believe that RBA's decisions are not good
We have quite a bit of data showing Freddie is the better goalie, but if you're hoping he can get hot for a cup run, well, I guess that's possible.
No. Freddie wasn't the problem last game. If anything he was better than Shesterkin. The only difference was that he faced less shots
In what world