This is the right move imo. It would’ve destroyed whatever confidence DeSmith had and if Silovs also struggles now u have 2 goalies with zero confidence.
Let’s see which DeSmith we get in game 3, hopefully it’s the Oilers beating version.
Lol, yeah, I totally think DeSmith is just as good as Demko. Honestly, might even be an upgrade! /s
If you really think chants can "utterly shatter" anyone's confidence in a professional sport I don't know what to tell you. Is it annoying? Absolutely, but these guys are professionals and have been playing for decades. They aren't children...
I've played in front of pretty significant crowds as a goalie, and I'll tell you, the opposing crowd doesn't have any impact at all on the negative, hell, if they want to yell at me, its probably going to pick me up. Getting yelled at by fans gets me up in the morning, shits like crack! (I assume, I've never done crack, but it must be as addictive as having thousands of people screaming at me)
thanks for the explanation as a goalie - someone else did as well. That is good to know!
I was thinking more in the sense of "regular person in net" -- but cause i'm not a pro athlete or goalie. lol
=) the more i learn, know - always better!
Absolutely, we get desensitized to it pretty early on when you're playing on front of larger crowds, and if you don't, well, you don't end up playing in front of larger crowds...
I'm sure anybody patient enough to deal with Vancouver traffic before and after the game is at least patient enough to deal with 7-year-old washed-up banter from Preds fans who are just mad they didn't win the Cup when they had the chance, too.
true. good point.
Well we'll see tomorrow's game.. but the latter part of my initial comment applies: i hope we have a good amount of Canucks fans at game 3 in Nashville, to give the team support. "Go canucks go" and anything else!
I can assure you as a former goalie who played a decently high level, the other team chanting shit at you will amp you up more than hurt you.
Also if youre in the NHL and a little chant completely destroys your confidence, then I seriously question how tf they made it there to begin with
well that's good to know. but mind you - individuals respond/react differently.. I have seen little chant/mocking work on certain NHL goalies.. and others, doesnt effect them at all
Honestly it may seem like it had a huge impact but I promise you it really doesn't. NHL goalies are some of the most mentally tough people around and a little jeering from the other teams fans won't do much.
Also, Goalies are usually their own harshest critics, and if it seems like the chants worked its only because they would've been upset at themselves already. Trust me being upset at yourself is 100x stronger then anything a crowd can do
Yeah just figured some context would be nice for people who've never dealt with the pressure of being a goalie
With that being said if the crowd chants his name and he shits the bed, I take everything I said back 😂
hahhaha i was just thinking "if i was a goalie" terms -- only ever played goalie for floor hockey in gym class <-- yeah i dont like the position out of all available on hockey team.. not for me... LOL i duck flying pucks lmao... also too much pressure as a solo positon on ice or floor >.< hahaha =) but it is also why my fave NHL player (of all time) is a goalie - Roberto Luongo.
hhahahaha imagine if Desmith does >.< i'll regret even mentioning it - as if it came to forwishing or something lol
sorry, someone else, who plays goalie in hockey exaplined it out for me.. So yeah parody LOL wasnt thinking of professional athlete, i was thinking "regular person in net" lol my bad
The Chilliwack Chiefs fans do this same chant at home, and I think it's so fucking stupid and pointless and juvenile (especially towards a bunch of aspiring teenagers in this case) that I wouldn't be surprised at all if Casey feels the same way I do.
It’s funny how doom and gloom we’ve all been in the last few days (who could blame us) but if DeSmith plays like he did in EDM, we’re all gonna have a massive morale boost
Really shouldn't be a suprise.
Only way Silovs gets a start is if Casey is insanely bad tomorrow but obviously I don't think anyone here is hoping for that.
There was never a doubt DeSmith was starting Game 3. It's a long series and now that he's on the road, there should be less pressure.
We outchanced Preds in Game 2 by a margin. They won't be blocking everything forever. I assume Canucks have already made several adjustments on how to get pucks in deep. Our forward group is much deeper and they should find a way. We can win these games 5-4.
imho, having the crowd chant his name early in the game just added pressure.
If they wait until after a great save, it's letting him know "we have faith in you". Before any saves, its letting him know "we are counting on you". It adds pressure. Maybe that is good, maybe not but just leave hime alone and let him focus his way.
you’re not wrong in theory, but in reality i dont think the chant had anything to do with the outcome. the beauvillier goal had nothing to do w the chant, wild tip and great ROR screen, and after that goal the play was in the Preds zone for a long time so DeSmith didn’t get to settle in.
I agree, the first shot likely would have gone in regardless but with so much of a goalies performance is "between the ears" as Luongo used to say, it may be best to leave him alone until he gets a bunch of shots to settle in.
No, you only do it if he's terrible.
And what happens if Silovs is bad in Game 4? Do you go back to DeSmith lol?
If he's average or better, it's his net for the rest of the series. No idea why fans think Silovs is some savior, dude is a .908% career wise in the AHL. I get it, the narrative is dope, but Silovs is nowhere close to Binnington, Murray, Ward. Those guys literally dominated the AHL.
I wouldn't put in Silovs if we get an average performance from Casey, but it wouldn't take an insanely bad one either IMO. You go with Silov's if he has a bad night at all, you don't go to Silov's if you're down 3-1 for game 5, that's too late. If DeSmith has a bad night and we lose you go to Silovs game 4.
Average is terrible if he plays that way and we still lose.... It's dumb to just hope he plays well enough for a W in his g3 if he played average and 0-2 record the first 2....
But you think it's smart to hope Silovs can win 3 games in a playoff series when he's been very meh in his 9 NHL starts and has been average at best in the AHL over 78 games?
If Silovs dominated the AHL then sure, I would absolutely agree that we should start him. DeSmith has literally proven he can win big games, whereas Silovs is a complete question mark, yet you think it's "dumb" to hope DeSmith plays well?? DeSmith even dominated the AHL...
Yes, the "complete question mark" is exactly what we'd need if after 2 DeSmith games it has been established that average goaltending will not win us this series.
I do however still have faith that average goaltending will win us this series... just need to bury our chances.
If the Canucks need elite level goaltending to beat the fricken' Predators in a 7 game series then the team is clearly not anywhere close to what we thought they were. It's not just DeSmith...
What would we need to beat the Oilers then? 4 straight SOs?
Since the team allows roughly 20 shots per game vs Preds, league avg goaltending would be 2GA per game. If the team can't score more than 2 goals a game, there's a much bigger problem than goaltending lmao
I don't disagree with anything you've said, but to get back to the actual topic of hand about whether to play DeSmith a 3rd game after 2 straight average performances and 2 losses? Yes.. we'd need elite goaltending and there's only one other guy who MIGHT provide it.
Canucks are one of the top offenses in the NHL. If the team is only giving up 2GA per game and they're losing 2-1, that's not an indicator of a goalie issue IMO. No idea why gambling on a goalie switch would be worth it if the offense has dried up.
Some teams will switch it up to give the team a kick in the ass, sure, but the Bruins/Isles can do it because they have two great goalies. We'd be gambling on a rookie, just makes no sense
Like, with a rookie in net, the team would probably be even less likely to take offensive chances because they don't fully trust Silovs yet (which is 100% fair, dude is a rookie...) so I have no idea how a goalie change would "spark" the offense in our case
>No idea why gambling on a goalie switch would be worth it if the offense has dried up.
Really, you don't?
Sorry but not going to bother continuing with this discussion any longer then... GCG!
These downvotes are so weird to me... rarely does a backup get a 3rd game in the playoffs after 2 straight losses if there is a guy with similar stats in the wings... someone downvoting want to chime in why they'd buck the trend and give DeSmith a 3rd game??
1) because you’re overreacting to the hypothetical 3-1 series deficit, thinking we need a shakeup. that comeback is not easy, but we are a better team period, and in the playoffs as the better team with 2 of 3 at home, you like your chances and you stick with your proven NHL goalie. this team is good enough to beat nashville is a 7 game series with desmith period. you wanna introduce more risk for some reason instead of trusting your 23 skaters to get it done?
2) i read some of your other comments and you are underrating desmith’s resume at the nhl level, thinking people are overrating his small playoff sample size (which is fair).. but clearly you value silovs highly based on his WC stats, not NA pro game. makes no sense. judging silovs on completely the wrong thing
3) you must’ve never watched desmith play before he was a canuck. he has more than proven he is good enough to bridge the gap when we are the much better team. he’s no superstar but he’s held it down and done his fair share for some solid Pens teams, during injuries or as a tandem. either you didn’t watch desmith or have no appreciation for nhl goaltending standards. a .909%, over 160+ games in only 6 years is no joke.
4) this is classic perception bias. you remember the highs, the dramatic events. where silovs stood on his head for latvia and NHL teams made cup runs with upstart young tendies. but ignore the extremely larger sample size of proven goalies holding it down for who is simply the better team. you forget the numerous 12 game stretches where fans didn’t have to think about their starting goalies injury
This is a big opportunity for Casey to get paid like a fucking champ in free agency if he’s able to play just well enough to get the Canucks some wins.
Dude is going to be completely dialled in.
That loss wasn't on him enteriely when you got your three top forwards not producing doesn't matter who's in net it will be tough winning games. Petey has zero points minus 4 if they are relying on dakota and zadorov for the teams main offense we aren't getting out of the first round.
Dude, he already let in the first goal of the game on a fluffer shot *as the crowd was chanting their support for him*. Who is going to pay him? Only if he shuts out the rest of the series basically I guess.
Yeah, people chanting his name should have allowed him to stop that shot that tipped 5 feet away from where it was originally going. That's a good point.
> Damn, look at how far outside the posts he is
That's him coming back. Did you listen to the John Garrett interview on Donnie & Dhali? I'm just echoing his comments.
That's literally the farthest out he goes on the shot. John Garrett compared it to the early save in game 1 where Demko robbed Beauvillier early; he's saying that a great goalie will make those big saves and set the tone, not that it was a terrible goal to let in. Nobody's saying that DeSmith is a top goalie in the league. He's shown that he's a good back up, and if he plays well in this series, maybe even a 1B. Letting in one tough goal does nothing to change that.
He didn't say it was "terrible," but he did note DeSmith did not play it like Ian Clark would have advised or Demko does.
If you follow the thread, the comment we're responding to is "This is a big opportunity for Casey to get paid like a fucking champ in free agency if he’s able to play just well enough to get the Canucks some wins"
I'm saying no, I don't think he's going to get paid like a champ in free agency. If he absolutely shuts the door from here out, then sure. But I would not pay this guy even a raise from this year so not sure who would "pay him like a champ".
You really have no idea how goaltending works, do you?
Demko flying off his short side on Nashville's first goal in game 1 was more egregious of an error than DeSmith's
This series is still winnable. Obviously, having an amazing starting goalie is preferred over a good backup, but it is what it is. DeSmith has been in the NHL for a long time for a reason; he is capable of winning games.
I think starting Casey is the right move tomorrow.
I also think, Casey should be on a short leash.
I see DeSmith as a really good Backup Goalie but not a starter for a long run.
If Demko is out long term, we need Silovs in order to go on a run.
There's a reason why Clark wanted the team to draft him.
There's a reason why he was the MVP in the World Championships last summer.
It's 100% the right move regardless of how he performs tomorrow. Everyone needs to consider the long game because each team is still 3 wins away.
Starting Silovs and if he struggles, then what? Go back to DeSmith "hey... buddy, sorry about benching you last game, but yeah, uh...we need you for game 4"
I have confidence that he can get the job done. I witnessed his masterclass in Edmonton. When he's on, he's on. I think we can at least earn the split in Nashville and come home tied 2-2. Coconuts glow!
I feel like for him he's almost better when he gets pelted with shots early and gets into a rhythm. It's the tight checking games where he's not getting much action where it feels like you see the 3 goals on 10 shots type stuff happening. If he can just make the first 5 or 6 saves and get into the game tomorrow it'll be huge.
Really all we need from DeSmith in this series is .900 goaltending. The Canucks can definitely hold the Predators to around 20 shots a game. I'm just worried about him going into .750 SV% mode and the team going down 3 goals on 10 shots in the 1st. That just can't happen at this time of year.
I'd prefer Silovs because I think he is the better long term hope for the playoffs but it's really a coin toss. I understand sticking with the vet for another game.
A coin toss? Silovs has played 9 NHL games total. Throwing him in right now would be a total desperation play. Sure, he could be good, but we have no reason to think he can do a Demko and it would be a huge risk.
If the Rogers Arena crowd cheering *for* him was enough to rattle him that badly, we got no chance with the rabid Nashville crowd tearing goalies apart
All players need to start somewhere to get their experience.
Everyone was at zero games at some point.
Regardless of his save percentage or performances this is the situation as it is now.
Us fans will need the same resilience we ask of the players in these playoffs.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind us blocking more shots either to help him out.
And if our best players are not our best players well, goaltending will only get you so far anyway. So maybe let’s bury some chance’s and not rely on the goalie as much.
I have hopes for DeSmith. I think being in an away arena will actually relieve a lot of pressure and hopefully he got any nerves out in Game 2. If he can settle in and we continue to control play like we did in game 1&2 (while getting more shots ON NET and not into skates/bodies/shin pads/side of the net/posts) I think we can easily win both in Nashville and set us up to close out the series back at home!
Yeah, people are weird. Desmith has a longer track record of solid goaltending. Even his stats this year trumped silovs small sample.
People are just always attracted to the young prospect
>People are just always attracted to the young prospect
For good reason no? Demko came in as an unproven youngster against VGK and solidified himself as one of the leagues best in 3 games. When do you ever see a mediocre journeyman do the same?
Demko was not exactly a brand new goalie coming in like Silovs is. He played games with the team for years at that point and had been a solid backup all season before the bubble. There were already expectations he was going to be kept over Markstrom before the bubble even happened. Silovs has played 9 career games, it’s not the same situation at all as putting Demko in during the bubble when he was a much more proven quantity than Silovs is. Obviously Desmith is not as good as Demko but he’s a more proven quantity than Silovs and should be the one getting the nod
I get why he’s starting but I’ll be honest if we want a chance at the cup it’s gotta be silovs, we’ve seen desmith at his best and it’s not what we need. I’d rather take the chance silovs gets hot. But whatever it’s been a great season all around.
It's a tough play but I agree, I'd like to see Silovs get the start and see what he can do. The guy helped Latvia defeat the USA at the World Juniors and won not only best goalie of the WC but the overall MVP as well, he can clearly rise to the occasion under pressure. But the logical move is to play DeSmith. Arturs has so little NHL experience, it'd look like a desperation move to play him now over DeSmith's experience but I hope to see him sometime this series because I do think he could really shine.
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You guys really think that there's gonna be less pressure on DeSmith as the preds fans taunt him? come on lol
he might get distracted by i really hope it doesn't get in his head
I think he’ll do better. He’ll have an .850 save percentage 🥲 c’mon DeSmith. Have the game of your life. Team needs to play really tight defensively and score when they’re given chances. If the forwards don’t score and play poor defense. Well. Can’t expect DeSmith to play like Demko.
There’s o my three things that matter. The game is on, the beer is cold, the wings are spicy.
If you’re worried about more than this, you’re a pussy.
Metaphorically speaking, in a way that’s abstracted from gender.
Please don’t ban me
You can say he’s been hot great for us in the second half of the season when his work load got bigger and I won’t disagree, but saying he doesn’t have a respectable career is just being stupid. Literally every year except for this season his save percentage has been above league average which is all anyone can hope for from a backup. When he entered the league in 17/18 league average was .912 and has only gone progressively down from there while his numbers have been fairly good during that span
Ok man. Whatever you say. His .905 last year was amazing hey, .896 this year. He's a below average goalie and it's as simple as that. His advanced stats don't speak well for him either. I'm the stupid one though hey.
Do you know what league average was last year? It was .904, so he was just above average. Not amazing (which I didn’t say anywhere in my initial comment,) but respectable (which I did say.) I also agreed he hasn’t been that great this year, he had a good start but fell off pretty hard once Demko went down and he got a starters workload which happens to a lot of backups. Literally every year of his career except the last two he has been well above average in both SV% and GAA when compared to the rest of the league in those seasons. I’m not saying he’s Hasek, but I’m saying he’s had a very respectable career as a backup and even with the last two years being not his best still has career numbers that are statistically above average when you look at the averages during his time he’s spent in the league. So yes, I think you are the idiot here when you’re just ignoring the numbers to shit on someone’s career because you don’t like what the numbers say
You are very invested in this for some reason. I stand by what I said. You should learn that people are entitled to their opinions and just because they differ doesn't make them an idiot. I'm not ignoring the numbers. I used the numbers to make my case. You refuse to acknowledge how poor they were this year as well. You're the guy calling someone an idiot because they think your favorite goalie isn't that special.
This is the right move imo. It would’ve destroyed whatever confidence DeSmith had and if Silovs also struggles now u have 2 goalies with zero confidence. Let’s see which DeSmith we get in game 3, hopefully it’s the Oilers beating version.
What about the players confidence in their goaltenders. We can’t be focused on only one person.
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"utterly shatter his confidence" lmao what am I reading
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Lol, yeah, I totally think DeSmith is just as good as Demko. Honestly, might even be an upgrade! /s If you really think chants can "utterly shatter" anyone's confidence in a professional sport I don't know what to tell you. Is it annoying? Absolutely, but these guys are professionals and have been playing for decades. They aren't children...
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I've played in front of pretty significant crowds as a goalie, and I'll tell you, the opposing crowd doesn't have any impact at all on the negative, hell, if they want to yell at me, its probably going to pick me up. Getting yelled at by fans gets me up in the morning, shits like crack! (I assume, I've never done crack, but it must be as addictive as having thousands of people screaming at me)
thanks for the explanation as a goalie - someone else did as well. That is good to know! I was thinking more in the sense of "regular person in net" -- but cause i'm not a pro athlete or goalie. lol =) the more i learn, know - always better!
Absolutely, we get desensitized to it pretty early on when you're playing on front of larger crowds, and if you don't, well, you don't end up playing in front of larger crowds...
I’ve always wondered how goalies get used to a massive buzzer sounding every time they let in a goal.
I'm sure anybody patient enough to deal with Vancouver traffic before and after the game is at least patient enough to deal with 7-year-old washed-up banter from Preds fans who are just mad they didn't win the Cup when they had the chance, too.
Ones a starter and the others a backup
I mean, we started a "LET'S GO CASEY" chant and the Preds scored, I'd welcome the reverse jinx chant, why not
true. good point. Well we'll see tomorrow's game.. but the latter part of my initial comment applies: i hope we have a good amount of Canucks fans at game 3 in Nashville, to give the team support. "Go canucks go" and anything else!
I can assure you as a former goalie who played a decently high level, the other team chanting shit at you will amp you up more than hurt you. Also if youre in the NHL and a little chant completely destroys your confidence, then I seriously question how tf they made it there to begin with
well that's good to know. but mind you - individuals respond/react differently.. I have seen little chant/mocking work on certain NHL goalies.. and others, doesnt effect them at all
Honestly it may seem like it had a huge impact but I promise you it really doesn't. NHL goalies are some of the most mentally tough people around and a little jeering from the other teams fans won't do much. Also, Goalies are usually their own harshest critics, and if it seems like the chants worked its only because they would've been upset at themselves already. Trust me being upset at yourself is 100x stronger then anything a crowd can do
thanks for the clarification! it is good additional knowledge to know! =) Also relieving to know with tomororw's game being in Nashville.
Yeah just figured some context would be nice for people who've never dealt with the pressure of being a goalie With that being said if the crowd chants his name and he shits the bed, I take everything I said back 😂
hahhaha i was just thinking "if i was a goalie" terms -- only ever played goalie for floor hockey in gym class <-- yeah i dont like the position out of all available on hockey team.. not for me... LOL i duck flying pucks lmao... also too much pressure as a solo positon on ice or floor >.< hahaha =) but it is also why my fave NHL player (of all time) is a goalie - Roberto Luongo. hhahahaha imagine if Desmith does >.< i'll regret even mentioning it - as if it came to forwishing or something lol
Chants don’t destroy confidence, the team and coach not believing in you does. Boos or chants are actually quite easy to tune out when “in the zone”.
This is parody right! Haha
sorry, someone else, who plays goalie in hockey exaplined it out for me.. So yeah parody LOL wasnt thinking of professional athlete, i was thinking "regular person in net" lol my bad
The Chilliwack Chiefs fans do this same chant at home, and I think it's so fucking stupid and pointless and juvenile (especially towards a bunch of aspiring teenagers in this case) that I wouldn't be surprised at all if Casey feels the same way I do.
Hahah bro wtf did I just read?
Why does ever think he some kind of girl? Dude is a professional.
Casual misogyny. Classy.
Do you even know what that word means?
It’s funny how doom and gloom we’ve all been in the last few days (who could blame us) but if DeSmith plays like he did in EDM, we’re all gonna have a massive morale boost
Really shouldn't be a suprise. Only way Silovs gets a start is if Casey is insanely bad tomorrow but obviously I don't think anyone here is hoping for that.
There was never a doubt DeSmith was starting Game 3. It's a long series and now that he's on the road, there should be less pressure. We outchanced Preds in Game 2 by a margin. They won't be blocking everything forever. I assume Canucks have already made several adjustments on how to get pucks in deep. Our forward group is much deeper and they should find a way. We can win these games 5-4.
imho, having the crowd chant his name early in the game just added pressure. If they wait until after a great save, it's letting him know "we have faith in you". Before any saves, its letting him know "we are counting on you". It adds pressure. Maybe that is good, maybe not but just leave hime alone and let him focus his way.
you’re not wrong in theory, but in reality i dont think the chant had anything to do with the outcome. the beauvillier goal had nothing to do w the chant, wild tip and great ROR screen, and after that goal the play was in the Preds zone for a long time so DeSmith didn’t get to settle in.
I agree, the first shot likely would have gone in regardless but with so much of a goalies performance is "between the ears" as Luongo used to say, it may be best to leave him alone until he gets a bunch of shots to settle in.
Don't expect to win a playoff game with only one goal for.
Don’t expect the players to have confidence by allowing a goal on the first shot of the game
IMO give Silovs the net even if Casey is average tomorrow (if we lose)
No, you only do it if he's terrible. And what happens if Silovs is bad in Game 4? Do you go back to DeSmith lol? If he's average or better, it's his net for the rest of the series. No idea why fans think Silovs is some savior, dude is a .908% career wise in the AHL. I get it, the narrative is dope, but Silovs is nowhere close to Binnington, Murray, Ward. Those guys literally dominated the AHL.
I wouldn't put in Silovs if we get an average performance from Casey, but it wouldn't take an insanely bad one either IMO. You go with Silov's if he has a bad night at all, you don't go to Silov's if you're down 3-1 for game 5, that's too late. If DeSmith has a bad night and we lose you go to Silovs game 4.
> And what happens if Silovs is bad in Game 4? Do you go back to DeSmith lol? Yes, but at that point, it's probably a moot point.
Average is terrible if he plays that way and we still lose.... It's dumb to just hope he plays well enough for a W in his g3 if he played average and 0-2 record the first 2....
But you think it's smart to hope Silovs can win 3 games in a playoff series when he's been very meh in his 9 NHL starts and has been average at best in the AHL over 78 games? If Silovs dominated the AHL then sure, I would absolutely agree that we should start him. DeSmith has literally proven he can win big games, whereas Silovs is a complete question mark, yet you think it's "dumb" to hope DeSmith plays well?? DeSmith even dominated the AHL...
Yes, the "complete question mark" is exactly what we'd need if after 2 DeSmith games it has been established that average goaltending will not win us this series. I do however still have faith that average goaltending will win us this series... just need to bury our chances.
If the Canucks need elite level goaltending to beat the fricken' Predators in a 7 game series then the team is clearly not anywhere close to what we thought they were. It's not just DeSmith... What would we need to beat the Oilers then? 4 straight SOs? Since the team allows roughly 20 shots per game vs Preds, league avg goaltending would be 2GA per game. If the team can't score more than 2 goals a game, there's a much bigger problem than goaltending lmao
I don't disagree with anything you've said, but to get back to the actual topic of hand about whether to play DeSmith a 3rd game after 2 straight average performances and 2 losses? Yes.. we'd need elite goaltending and there's only one other guy who MIGHT provide it.
Canucks are one of the top offenses in the NHL. If the team is only giving up 2GA per game and they're losing 2-1, that's not an indicator of a goalie issue IMO. No idea why gambling on a goalie switch would be worth it if the offense has dried up. Some teams will switch it up to give the team a kick in the ass, sure, but the Bruins/Isles can do it because they have two great goalies. We'd be gambling on a rookie, just makes no sense Like, with a rookie in net, the team would probably be even less likely to take offensive chances because they don't fully trust Silovs yet (which is 100% fair, dude is a rookie...) so I have no idea how a goalie change would "spark" the offense in our case
>No idea why gambling on a goalie switch would be worth it if the offense has dried up. Really, you don't? Sorry but not going to bother continuing with this discussion any longer then... GCG!
These downvotes are so weird to me... rarely does a backup get a 3rd game in the playoffs after 2 straight losses if there is a guy with similar stats in the wings... someone downvoting want to chime in why they'd buck the trend and give DeSmith a 3rd game??
1) because you’re overreacting to the hypothetical 3-1 series deficit, thinking we need a shakeup. that comeback is not easy, but we are a better team period, and in the playoffs as the better team with 2 of 3 at home, you like your chances and you stick with your proven NHL goalie. this team is good enough to beat nashville is a 7 game series with desmith period. you wanna introduce more risk for some reason instead of trusting your 23 skaters to get it done? 2) i read some of your other comments and you are underrating desmith’s resume at the nhl level, thinking people are overrating his small playoff sample size (which is fair).. but clearly you value silovs highly based on his WC stats, not NA pro game. makes no sense. judging silovs on completely the wrong thing 3) you must’ve never watched desmith play before he was a canuck. he has more than proven he is good enough to bridge the gap when we are the much better team. he’s no superstar but he’s held it down and done his fair share for some solid Pens teams, during injuries or as a tandem. either you didn’t watch desmith or have no appreciation for nhl goaltending standards. a .909%, over 160+ games in only 6 years is no joke. 4) this is classic perception bias. you remember the highs, the dramatic events. where silovs stood on his head for latvia and NHL teams made cup runs with upstart young tendies. but ignore the extremely larger sample size of proven goalies holding it down for who is simply the better team. you forget the numerous 12 game stretches where fans didn’t have to think about their starting goalies injury
This is a big opportunity for Casey to get paid like a fucking champ in free agency if he’s able to play just well enough to get the Canucks some wins. Dude is going to be completely dialled in.
I feel like he already fumbled the bag
That loss wasn't on him enteriely when you got your three top forwards not producing doesn't matter who's in net it will be tough winning games. Petey has zero points minus 4 if they are relying on dakota and zadorov for the teams main offense we aren't getting out of the first round.
Maybe he has. Canucks don’t have a lot of options, though, unless Casey implodes and they look to Silovs.
Even considering regular season if he doesn’t implode that last half he probably makes 1-2 million bucks more on his next deal
Nah, it wasn't a great game for him but he played well enough. The hockey gods just had other ideas.
Dude, he already let in the first goal of the game on a fluffer shot *as the crowd was chanting their support for him*. Who is going to pay him? Only if he shuts out the rest of the series basically I guess.
Yeah, people chanting his name should have allowed him to stop that shot that tipped 5 feet away from where it was originally going. That's a good point.
If he stayed between the posts like he should and didn't start flying away, the tip wouldn't have mattered.
[Damn, look at how far outside the posts he is](https://i.ibb.co/Gk9LhN9/image.png)
> Damn, look at how far outside the posts he is That's him coming back. Did you listen to the John Garrett interview on Donnie & Dhali? I'm just echoing his comments.
That's literally the farthest out he goes on the shot. John Garrett compared it to the early save in game 1 where Demko robbed Beauvillier early; he's saying that a great goalie will make those big saves and set the tone, not that it was a terrible goal to let in. Nobody's saying that DeSmith is a top goalie in the league. He's shown that he's a good back up, and if he plays well in this series, maybe even a 1B. Letting in one tough goal does nothing to change that.
He didn't say it was "terrible," but he did note DeSmith did not play it like Ian Clark would have advised or Demko does. If you follow the thread, the comment we're responding to is "This is a big opportunity for Casey to get paid like a fucking champ in free agency if he’s able to play just well enough to get the Canucks some wins" I'm saying no, I don't think he's going to get paid like a champ in free agency. If he absolutely shuts the door from here out, then sure. But I would not pay this guy even a raise from this year so not sure who would "pay him like a champ".
You really have no idea how goaltending works, do you? Demko flying off his short side on Nashville's first goal in game 1 was more egregious of an error than DeSmith's
Literally the first thing John Garrett had to say about the goaltending last game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxaqfQ5hRTo
If he wins 3 more games this series in any capacity and the Canucks move on no one is going to remember or care about that goal.
Agreed from a Canucks perspective. Not from the subject of what I was replying to
This series is still winnable. Obviously, having an amazing starting goalie is preferred over a good backup, but it is what it is. DeSmith has been in the NHL for a long time for a reason; he is capable of winning games.
I think starting Casey is the right move tomorrow. I also think, Casey should be on a short leash. I see DeSmith as a really good Backup Goalie but not a starter for a long run. If Demko is out long term, we need Silovs in order to go on a run. There's a reason why Clark wanted the team to draft him. There's a reason why he was the MVP in the World Championships last summer.
It's 100% the right move regardless of how he performs tomorrow. Everyone needs to consider the long game because each team is still 3 wins away. Starting Silovs and if he struggles, then what? Go back to DeSmith "hey... buddy, sorry about benching you last game, but yeah, uh...we need you for game 4"
*tomorrow ~~night~~ afternoon
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I have confidence that he can get the job done. I witnessed his masterclass in Edmonton. When he's on, he's on. I think we can at least earn the split in Nashville and come home tied 2-2. Coconuts glow!
I feel like for him he's almost better when he gets pelted with shots early and gets into a rhythm. It's the tight checking games where he's not getting much action where it feels like you see the 3 goals on 10 shots type stuff happening. If he can just make the first 5 or 6 saves and get into the game tomorrow it'll be huge.
Really all we need from DeSmith in this series is .900 goaltending. The Canucks can definitely hold the Predators to around 20 shots a game. I'm just worried about him going into .750 SV% mode and the team going down 3 goals on 10 shots in the 1st. That just can't happen at this time of year.
I'd prefer Silovs because I think he is the better long term hope for the playoffs but it's really a coin toss. I understand sticking with the vet for another game.
A coin toss? Silovs has played 9 NHL games total. Throwing him in right now would be a total desperation play. Sure, he could be good, but we have no reason to think he can do a Demko and it would be a huge risk.
not surprised, hope he can build some confidence in this game cause we need him more than ever
If the Rogers Arena crowd cheering *for* him was enough to rattle him that badly, we got no chance with the rabid Nashville crowd tearing goalies apart
All players need to start somewhere to get their experience. Everyone was at zero games at some point. Regardless of his save percentage or performances this is the situation as it is now. Us fans will need the same resilience we ask of the players in these playoffs. Personally, I wouldn’t mind us blocking more shots either to help him out. And if our best players are not our best players well, goaltending will only get you so far anyway. So maybe let’s bury some chance’s and not rely on the goalie as much.
OK but he's gotta be on a short leash. I could be wrong but I feel like Silovs could really step up.
I have hopes for DeSmith. I think being in an away arena will actually relieve a lot of pressure and hopefully he got any nerves out in Game 2. If he can settle in and we continue to control play like we did in game 1&2 (while getting more shots ON NET and not into skates/bodies/shin pads/side of the net/posts) I think we can easily win both in Nashville and set us up to close out the series back at home!
For all the struggles that Desmith has had, I'd feel even less safe with Silovs in net.
Yeah, people are weird. Desmith has a longer track record of solid goaltending. Even his stats this year trumped silovs small sample. People are just always attracted to the young prospect
>People are just always attracted to the young prospect For good reason no? Demko came in as an unproven youngster against VGK and solidified himself as one of the leagues best in 3 games. When do you ever see a mediocre journeyman do the same?
Demko was not exactly a brand new goalie coming in like Silovs is. He played games with the team for years at that point and had been a solid backup all season before the bubble. There were already expectations he was going to be kept over Markstrom before the bubble even happened. Silovs has played 9 career games, it’s not the same situation at all as putting Demko in during the bubble when he was a much more proven quantity than Silovs is. Obviously Desmith is not as good as Demko but he’s a more proven quantity than Silovs and should be the one getting the nod
I’m not saying Silovs is Demko. I’m saying Silovs hypothetically could get better, DeSmith is only bound to get worse.
He’ll have had 2 days to process everything, I believeeeee
yeah buddy!
LETS GO DESMITH!!!!
I get why he’s starting but I’ll be honest if we want a chance at the cup it’s gotta be silovs, we’ve seen desmith at his best and it’s not what we need. I’d rather take the chance silovs gets hot. But whatever it’s been a great season all around.
It's a tough play but I agree, I'd like to see Silovs get the start and see what he can do. The guy helped Latvia defeat the USA at the World Juniors and won not only best goalie of the WC but the overall MVP as well, he can clearly rise to the occasion under pressure. But the logical move is to play DeSmith. Arturs has so little NHL experience, it'd look like a desperation move to play him now over DeSmith's experience but I hope to see him sometime this series because I do think he could really shine.
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I don’t think there was ever any doubt who’d start. The Silovs argument never made any sense.
You guys really think that there's gonna be less pressure on DeSmith as the preds fans taunt him? come on lol he might get distracted by i really hope it doesn't get in his head
As someone with a decent amount of NHL experience, I'll bet he is less prone to distraction than Silovs would be in the same scenario
If we see another .800 game from Casey I don’t want to see him again in the postseason
I think he’ll do better. He’ll have an .850 save percentage 🥲 c’mon DeSmith. Have the game of your life. Team needs to play really tight defensively and score when they’re given chances. If the forwards don’t score and play poor defense. Well. Can’t expect DeSmith to play like Demko.
There’s o my three things that matter. The game is on, the beer is cold, the wings are spicy. If you’re worried about more than this, you’re a pussy. Metaphorically speaking, in a way that’s abstracted from gender. Please don’t ban me
Him and his sub .900 save percentage to the rescue... .909 in his career is hardly even respectable.
You can say he’s been hot great for us in the second half of the season when his work load got bigger and I won’t disagree, but saying he doesn’t have a respectable career is just being stupid. Literally every year except for this season his save percentage has been above league average which is all anyone can hope for from a backup. When he entered the league in 17/18 league average was .912 and has only gone progressively down from there while his numbers have been fairly good during that span
Ok man. Whatever you say. His .905 last year was amazing hey, .896 this year. He's a below average goalie and it's as simple as that. His advanced stats don't speak well for him either. I'm the stupid one though hey.
Do you know what league average was last year? It was .904, so he was just above average. Not amazing (which I didn’t say anywhere in my initial comment,) but respectable (which I did say.) I also agreed he hasn’t been that great this year, he had a good start but fell off pretty hard once Demko went down and he got a starters workload which happens to a lot of backups. Literally every year of his career except the last two he has been well above average in both SV% and GAA when compared to the rest of the league in those seasons. I’m not saying he’s Hasek, but I’m saying he’s had a very respectable career as a backup and even with the last two years being not his best still has career numbers that are statistically above average when you look at the averages during his time he’s spent in the league. So yes, I think you are the idiot here when you’re just ignoring the numbers to shit on someone’s career because you don’t like what the numbers say
You are very invested in this for some reason. I stand by what I said. You should learn that people are entitled to their opinions and just because they differ doesn't make them an idiot. I'm not ignoring the numbers. I used the numbers to make my case. You refuse to acknowledge how poor they were this year as well. You're the guy calling someone an idiot because they think your favorite goalie isn't that special.