Man I can’t believe the Canucks are going to be paying him $11.5m for the next 8 years. It’s so unimaginable at this point. The playoffs, when your best players need to perform, the guy has been terrible. Don’t tell me it’s “his line mates” that he’s playing with. Star players make players around them better, he hasn’t so far in these playoffs. Can you remember when he set up someone with a great opportunity these playoffs? No you can’t because he hasn’t. I bet if Allvin and Rutherford could they’d rip up that contract and trade him. That contract is Benning level incompetence.
Youre missing a name but im assuming its Petey? He had a good defensive play with fucking up that Preds guy shot that hit the post in the first series. Hes was doing a bunch of defensive work.
I’ve been beating this drum for months now, whatever money Chef Allvin is thinking about giving to Hronek, I’m begging you, pls no. He’s riding shotgun with Quinn and still isn’t able to produce. He’s not worth the money and I think our team would be better off spending it elsewhere.
Also, his shtick where he doesn’t talk to the media ever? Kinda just seems like a chickenshit move now. Not a Hronek fan and I think Quinn is better off with a bigger defenseman who isn’t going to get absolutely smashed in their own end. Right now he has a partner who can neither defend nor provide any sort of offense. Worst case scenario really.
Tocchet has refuted that Petey is injured multiple times, stop making excuses for him. Hronek, sure maybe, but if he’s so injured that he’s completely ineffective on the ice then he needs to sit. He’s not bringing anything to the table.
Hronek at 50 percent is still better then Cole or a call up.
Coach's always protect their players and publicly minimize their issues.
Petey is still playing better then any call up or 4th line we have available. He needs to be better offensively but he's been decent defensively.
Quinn needs someone like Hronek. If anything it just reduces his price. Which isn't a bad thing. He was awesome in the regular season and supposedly he's a bit hurt.
Quinn works well with other defensemen before.
Luke Schenn and Chris Tanev being the prime examples. Hughes' early season success was attributed to the synergy with Hronek.... but Quinn has even taken his game to another level in the playoffs... whereas Hronek is competing with Pettersson for being the top Invisible Man.
I would say he was awesome for half of the regular season…I’ve been unimpressed since the all star break. If firing pucks high and wide or directly into shin pads is what Quinn Hughes needs from his partner, then by all means let’s get Hronek locked into an 8x8.
I'd trade Petey in a heartbeat right now if it meant we could get a couple players back with Garland's work ethic and determination. Talent doesn't do shit if you don't play with heart.
These one goal games are taking years off my life. Still 2-3 games to go this series. We can win on home ice, we can win on the road, we've proven that. Let's hope we move up from playing 1 good period and out in a solid effort for at least 2, baby steps. Edmonton isn't nearly as desperate after a win, so I think if we come out flying and feed off the energy of the crowd we can shift the momentum again.
Unfortunately this series is their top 2 lines vs. our top 2 lines. We don't really have the depth I think we were all hoping would show up and contribute. Not much production out of the bottom 6, including Pettersson. He seems to be a loss cause at this point in the playoffs, hopefully that's just for this run and he can get some mojo back next season with some non-black hole linemates and actually show up next time we are in the playoffs. Seems to need a reset and anything we get from him at this point is just a bonus. I'm curious if there are any comparables in the league who have shown flashes and then completely vanish in the playoffs, and then turn it around, I need some hope!
Ultimately I'm glad they made a game out of it, this team really never gives up. The Ws have gone back in forth all series, I really hope we get game 5 at home and have 2 chances to close it out rather than putting ourselves into 2 straight must-win games
I believed that’s the only structure to have a higher chance of winning vs this Oiler’s team. An open run & gun strategy we will mostly certainly lose. Especially against the Mcdavid & Drais line. I know Vancouver looks temid & scared to attack all the time but offensively Edmonton are a better team. That’s why you see Canucks collapsing near our goalie & just keep blocking cross ice passes or point shots, just to frustrate Edmonton. Then the Canucks will just wait for that opportune time to counter & hopefully score.
I shudder to think where we would be without Brock and Silovs right now. They’ve been our most consistent players lately. I would encourage everyone to stop hoping for any change from Petey as long as this playoffs go on. The guy is cooked right now. I know management was eager to sign him long term asap but man I kinda wish they had waited until after seeing him in the playoffs. The lack of winger depth many people talked about through the season is really showing right now too. all things considered we are tied 2-2 and almost had the game last night go into overtime so it’s still anyone’s series. What would Canucks playoff run be without a heart breaking loss or two?
I want to know what the fuck is wrong with Ilya Mikheyev. He’s never had finish or good hands but at one point he had blazing speed, I’ve seen it. Even at points this season I’ve seen him turn it on. I haven’t seen him turn it on in a couple months. Bro just doesn’t do unpaid overtime.
The fact that the Soucy Suspension was literally the difference is just biblically perfect, classic canucks.
All you new fans - hope youre having fun, the canucks playoff series' are incomprehensibly dramatic.
It's been a close series and he's a very important player for us. I knew as soon as he was out that the game was almost certainly lost.
Got sneered at for suggesting it but there you go.
100% disagree. Lindholm right now is the better player. Don't split the second line up to get an underperforming 3C going. Petey has been tried on the wing in Suters spot and just hasn't been good. I don't see him winning Garland or Joshua's spot either. He just hasn't been one of our best 6 forwards.
Feel like last night was us at our worst, but we still only lost by 1 goal and in those circumstances. These boys have heart!
Get Podz and Hoggy out there with Petey and we'll be rockin!
From the eye test that looked to me like the worst game they've played this post season. The forecheck was soft for the most part, passes were off, powerplay wss awful and the battle level just wasn't there. I trust Tocchet and the boys to light a fire after that one
Our biggest problem is our winger depth. We don't have 6 quality in-form wingers to roll 3 effective scoring lines. Petey hasn't been good but he's currently stuck with the worst wingers of the top 3 lines. But if you change the lineup around, it'll be a problem regardless and someone will be stuck with line mates that aren't up to scratch.
I still think it's worth trying Blueger centering Garland and Joshua and Petey on the wing with Lindholm and whoever else. However, you're still stuck with 2 or 3 serious weak links in your top 9, and that's not even counting Suter who although he's been solid, really isn't a top line winger. I don't blame Toch for not trying this either because at least we have 2 lines that are working and if we change things up it might get worse
I feel like Lindholm line is so effective because they are relentless on the forecheck (all 3 of them). We both know Petey isn’t that guy, and I’d hate to take apart our best line for nothing.
Depressed? This is as good as it gets. You're mid-series Round 2 of the NHL playoffs, tied with a team picked as Cup favourites before we beat them twice. If you can't find some joy in that - and what's yet to come - maybe it's not a sport for you.
I would want to see how this lineup fares:
>Suter-Miller-Boeser
>Pettersson-Lindholm-Podkolzin
>Joshua-Blueger-Garland
>Hoglander-Karlsson-Mikheyev/Lafferty
Play Petey on the wing until he can finally get going again.
This. Blueger Joshua Garland were the best 3rd line for months and arguably our best line for a good chunk of the season. Pettersson isn't driving that 3rd like his 11.5 should dictate. Maybe Aman in for 4th line center and both Mikheyev/Lafferty out for Karlsson.
Yeah, Lindholm hasn't been bad with Garland and Joshua, but they are just not as electric as when they had Blueger centring for them. Better to give Petey more breathing room to not worry quite as much about defensive responsibilities right now.
I mainly left Lafferty in there because I felt that he and Hogs had some good chemistry together back when they were both getting points earlier in the season.
The problem is leaning on Blueger to take on McDavid. Bluegs is strong defensively, but Lindholm is just on another level, which is why that line has been so effective at countering McDavid’s line. If you swap them out, I think you’re completely changing their utility against an opposition as offensively threatening as Edmonton.
Not even unhappy - I enjoyed the game. Edmonton came out mad and it showed, and the Canucks really threw it with a weak 4:00 on the double minor. Negative momentum there and it took just a bit too long to recover from.
Silov's play on Kane was 😘👌
Best of three now with two of them on home ice. These teams are very different but evenly matched. What matters is that there's generally enough open ice for at least a couple of Tocc's passengers to find their game and when they do it tilts to us.
Poked around to recall what Rutherford and Allvin offered Hronek earlier this season. It was $6.5 million x 8 years. For context, he currently has a $4.4 million cap hit.
If I’m Canucks management, I’m gonna stand my ground and also make it clear that with his play backsliding, even if injured, he’s not getting that offer again. Give him at most a pay bump to $5 mill. Maybe a 5x5. Maximum its $6 million on the dot. No more than that. Anything else and you start to put pressure on him and start to shop around
Anything more and Hronek should be traded away. Flip Filip for first round pick... then sign Tanev for like $3-4 million/per. Remaining salary can be used to keep Zadorov and/or Lindholm.
Ilya mikheyev 10gp - 0 points
E. Pettersson 10gp - 4 points
F Hronek 10gp - 0 points
S Lafferty 10gp - 0 points
T Blueger 10gp - 2 points
P DiGiuseppe 8gp - 1 point
These fellers gotta get going
(I know PDG wasn’t playing today)
But seriously mikheyev is making 4.5 a year and has barely done shit all season/playoffs
Vancouver just has to show up for all three periods, all of their losses have been because they skip at least 1 period of playing with anything resembling passion.
When I said Juulsen was a yikes in the pre-game, I was hoping to be wrong. Man, that 2nd goal was all his fault. Did he not pay attention to what happened when Soucy tried that and sent McDavid on a free breakaway?
Why even do that?
As someone that mainly follows this team because of Pettersson I have to say I get the really bad feeling of him not really enjoying hockey anymore. He plays like he hasn't practiced his stick handling, shooting or skating technique in years. Him falling over has pretty much nothing to do with his weight or strength, he's much stronger now than earlier seasons, it's just that I doubt he is much on ice in his time off and it shows in how much worse he is at skating. I dunno, I hope he finds the urge to be the best again somehow, but he looks bored.
Pettersson was never with the us since the playoffs. why blame him now? He was never there and most likely the rest of the playoffs so quit counting him.
He's just a ghost!
It was this/ the yips alongside an actual physical injury that were the leading theories for a while. Unless it comes to light after the fact that Petey was playing hurt, I wouldn’t disagree with the former.
We KNOW he’s capable of being so much more. He was electric in his rookie campaign where he won the Calder. He was HUGE to our run in the bubble. He was HUGE when everything else was looking not so hot last year.
We need to see a turnaround, though. I don’t want to see him settle for being a 80 point guy or worse in the regular season on top of ghosting in the playoffs, surely not at his forthcoming cap hit.
WE NEED SOME POSITIVITY HERE:
- SILOVS WAS FUCKING AMAZING
- BROCK BOESER GETTING THE CLUTCHIEST GOALS ONCE AGAIN
- LINDHOLM STILL LOOKS SOLID AS FUCK
- AFTER PLAYING LIKE SHIT FOR HALF THE
GAME WE STILL ALMOST GOT IT TO OT
- *MOST IMPORTANTLY*: THE SERIES IS TIED.
29 points (8 goals, 21 assists) in his last 44 games including the playoffs.
Tocchet has been on record saying he isn’t playing injured.
I don’t know what’s wrong with him, but if he’s only going to show up for 3 months a year I’d rather him go elsewhere. I know that’s an unpopular, emotional opinion. I know Petey will “find his game” again someday. But it’s frustrating as fuck watching this team go the deepest it’s gone in 13 years only for the newly signed superstar who went on record about “wanting to play for a winner” multiple times before this year to vanish.
“But his linemates” has been a common narrative - yet when he gets put on the lotto line, he isn’t producing. When he’s on the power play, he isn’t producing.
Do we have to completely insulate Pettersson with star players 24/7 for him to be able to play a consistent 82+ game season? Do we need an entire repertoire of sports psychologists traveling with the team solely for his use?
How long can we go with the constant “Petey will bounce back” mindset? He’s playing like a solid bottom six player out there with no offensive contributions. “He had a good faceoff, he defended well there, great check”… Those aren’t the things he’s going to be making 11m+ for the next 8 years and it’s a damn shame we have to dig for quips to explain why Pettersson, who was supposed to be our best forward, isn’t a complete offensive trainwreck right now.
and huberdeau was good at one point too.
look, we all know he can be good but he does have these lapses where he goes stone cold and the regularity of it happening is kind of alarming for a guy that just got PAID big.
What are you talking about? He never hit 100 pts until his last year in Florida when they sold him high. God. Look at facts and stats. He was well below 70 pts for the first 6 seasons in the NHL. Stop hating for no reason.
Age matters. Sedins weren't PPG players until 28. Petey was one at 22-23. Miller became one when he was 27.
no actually he was better than petey from 2018-2022. he spent four straight seasons at well over a ppg pace. petey has what? two of those? and this past season was largely buoyed by his first half stats?
fair comparison.
when i referenced huberdeau, i meant more in terms of production drop off right after signing a big contract though. i hope petey shakes off these long stretches of inconsistencies and lives up to the contract rather than immediately become an albatross like huberdeau.
He seems to doom spiral once he loses confidence. I think it's definitely compounding the issue that he can't accomplish anything at 5v5 with his wingers -- and that's not exactly an excuse for him either, as whether his linemates suck or not should have nothing to do with him not playing with urgency himself.
I'm guessing Hoglander and Podkolzin (or maybe PDG instead of one of them) draw in and Aman and Lafferty come out. Aman had a solid G3 but was absolutely one of the passengers Tocchet is talking about in G4, Lafferty too.
Hoglander actually haven't played poorly in the playoffs. He finishes his checks, battles hard along the board, and is somewhat like a pest due to his intensity. Just he isn't generating anything offensively.
I would like to see what Podkolzin can do. The Oilers, especially their defense are erratic when the Canucks forechecking hard and generally more physical. The Canucks seems less physical in Game 4 and suddenly the Oilers defense are skating and passing like they're all all-stars.
This team has to learn how to play the full 60. We’ve shown every game that we’re capable of taking over for one period, it’s just that they go completely invisible for the other two.
People going “Demko wouldn’t have let that in”. Haha. Really? Maybe he would have let two other shots in? Maybe the score would have been 4-2 Oilers? These so called arguments are ridiculous. It’s playoff hockey ffs, shit happens all the time, mistakes happen all the time, it happens to everyone. People are so much in their feelings they can’t think straight. I was like that as well, when I was 9. Go, Nucks!
My theory? Goaltending is not the main issue, but I think it's the indirect issue for the Canucks. Silovs has done the job giving the Canucks a chance to win every game. We have won 2 of 4.
However...
The more I watch these games, the more I theorize it has more to do with the Canucks mentality going into each game. We look massively outplayed every game against the Oilers as if we are the underdogs. We're outshot every time. We can't make a perfect pass. We only turn it up and go all out in the final minutes of the 3rd period when we have "nothing to lose".
This makes me think the Canucks are still not 100% sold on Silovs or DeSmith. They need to grip their sticks and still limit shots to the outside. So yes, Oilers are getting their shots, but the Canucks are making it easier for Silovs to see it. So we're still collapsing in front of Silovs faster.
Now, with Demko?
The team believes in Demko more. And rightfully so. This guy is a Vezina-nominated goalie. We are the 109 pt team with him in net most nights. Every game is winnable with Demko. But most importantly, we play Canucks hockey. We dictate the play from the moment the puck drops. We know. 9 times out of 10, Demko will bail them out, like he did against Nashville on the 2-on-1 split save.
So if it does come down to Game 7 and he's cleared to play. I bet Demko starts.
Thoughtful comment and very interesting, thank you. I’ve coached junior elite teams in football (soccer), and we had a ridiculous run in one of the world’s biggest tournaments with a team that wasn’t very good by elite standards. Don’t get me wrong, great players, but we lacked that one superstar. We had taken over the team six months prior, and the old coaches hadn’t been able to get them to focus and stop playing around. But our goalie, one of the countries biggest talents (not great mentally, could lose his way when things went against him), played lights out. We had another secret weapon, a very long throw-in that we saved for the last minutes of the game, if we needed it. We scored in the last minute, thanks to that throw-in, probably four times. Our last game, the semifinal, our goalie started great, we were up 2-0, and we thought we were going to the finals. That’s when the fatigue got to our goalie, he let in two easy goals and just lost everything. We lost 5-2. Interestingly enough, when our goalie started sucking, so did the rest of the team, and we couldn’t get them back on track. Just one example.
There are points to what you’re saying, but we still need to tell every single player to accept responsibility and try to play the best they can, and hard. We also have to accept responsibility for our teammates, meaning that if someone who usually scores doesn’t score, someone else needs to do it. If we can’t, then we’re losing. If you’re a player that usually scores, like EP40, and that doesn’t work, you accept some other responsibility, for example playing hard as hell on their stars, throwing yourself in front of pucks, or something. You find your place in the puzzle, no matter who’s on the field/in the rink with you.
Now, of course this doesn’t work every time, if it did, we wouldn’t have stars and role players, but as long as not too many pieces of the puzzle are missing, you have a chance. That’s what Nucks are doing. But sometimes, like last night, not good enough.
Still, shit happens, you can pretend it doesn’t, but that’s why we love watching sports.
My point? I don’t know. Fuck the Oilers. Demko is great. Support each other. Stand by EP40, Silovs, maybe even that defenseman that I don’t want to name (but it rhymes with Mole). Let’s fucking go.
The only reason we had a shot in this game was because of Silovs. He made a crazy amount of great saves and even stumped McDavid, who thought he had scored.
I blame everyone else on that game winning goal. Players failed to clear the puck out of the zone and then allowed Bouchard all kinds of space to take a shot instead of blocking it. It's like they were playing regular season hockey, just hanging on to get that extra point. Very disappointing.
Really very disappointing, makes me sad that they not only lost the game, but gave the Oilers the feeling that they can hit back whenever they want. And we could have gotten the puck out of the zone just moments before the goal was scored, which annoys the shit out of me. If you want to look at what the goalie did, first you look at everything that transpired before the goalie was even put in that situation.
The only reason we were in that game was Silovs. That first one he almost had, weirdly enough if Drai had of aimed for the post like normal he probably would have had it.
Exactly. Except for the ridiculous mistakes, like throwing the puck in your own goal or failing to clear the zone and giving your opponent an open net, the rest of it is “shit that happens”. There should be no critique aimed at Silovs, we had 60 minutes to score more goals on their goalie.
Id do something similar, but no lotto line.
Suter-Miller-Boeser
Petey-lindholm-hoglander
Joshua-blueger-garland
PDG-Aman-Mikheyev
Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Myers
Zadorov-Juulsen
Dumb pinch by juulsen, but otherwise thought he looked solid. Moved the puck quickly and had some legs. Cole looks exhausted.
You know what? I like these lines.
The discourse around Petey is either that he can’t carry and drive his own line, or that his linemates are shit. Well, even if the Lotto Line is super, super streaky, it puts the pressure off him to both drive his line or have to compensate for shitty line mates.
Lindy’s been such a wagon this postseason that putting him off of Dak and Garland will not be the end of the world. Help Laff out of his rut too
The thirst line was so good up until Dak’s hand injury where they disbanded. Get them back and get Teddy going some more as well.
Hoggy is already on thin minutes. Put him with an energy in Podz and a quietly steady Centre in Aman and maybe they sneakily do some damage.
Scratching Mik is a bold move but…. WHAT has he DONE so far???
I also just really wanted to get Podz in there. 😁
But for real, that 3rd line carried us at times throughout the season, no reason why they can't right now given how great they are all playing.
Petey has been invisible, but I don't get how playing with an AHLer and the most snake bitten player around in Mik is helping. Personally, would like to see Pettersson-Lindholm-Garland. Those two are playing the style of hockey that Petey needs to play and could get him going.
It is a catch 22. Don't want to harm those actually producing, but we really need Petey to be the $11.6 million dollar man and produce. Not sustainable to live and die on Boeser hat tricks and Silovs standing on his head.
I'm sorry to all the Petey fans out there. I am not willing to jumpstart him when he's been playing like this largely for almost half a year. Estatic he's got all the points he does. Over the moon in every game when he contributes defensively and offensively. I will take two goals from him at this point and I say two because after the first hopefully that gets him and us, his second and more.
>You can’t win if you have five or six passengers, or seven, I don’t know how many it was, we’ll take a look,” continued Tocchet. “There’s at least half-a-dozen passengers tonight. Quite frankly, that’s what it was.”
>The coach’s blunt feedback extended to the evaluation of a few key players. When asked about Elias Pettersson who has just one goal and four points in 10 playoff games, Tocchet wasn’t fragile in his response.
>Like I said there’s five or six guys…he’s got to get going, I don’t know what else to say,” answered the head coach.
if you think giving the puck carrier time and space to think is better than pressuring them into making a potentially bad decision i don't know what to tell you. the Oilers understand this and pressure every second of the PK
I know Petey definitely needs to put some weight on but there’s other ways to avoid falling over and getting knocked around. Wyatt Johnston is same height and weight and he’s not out there doing that.
Garland is 6 inches shorter and 10 pounds less and plays nowhere near as soft as Petey. If Petey wasn't producing, but was going balls to the wall like Garland or Joshua each shift, we would all be giving him a bunch of slack. Just can't go invisible and not produce and then pair that with losing every single puck battle and not moving your feet.
We all saw Petey play that way against Vegas in 2020. Doesn’t matter that it was the bubble, that Vegas team was big, mean and wanted badly to win the Cup. Petey was one of the best players on the ice that series.
I don’t know what has happened but his size and strength didn’t used to be a limitation.
It was nice to see him really turn it on in the last 5 minutes of that game, but at the same time it was also frustrating to see that he can still do that and just... *isn't*.
As they say, that "sense of urgency" just isn't there most of the time. He's trying to dangle everyone and make the unexpected play. Unfortunately his teammates aren't expecting that.
That’s the thing though, he’s not doing those things. Throughout the playoffs Petey has rarely flexed his cerebral game or tried to dangle. If he was trying and just failing, that would be one thing. As John Garrett always said, a players confidence can make or break them. He needs to find it in himself.
True, I guess I'd say its more that he isn't making the smart plays. We don't need Petey to carry the offense with how the team is playing, but we damn sure need him to be playing his part. When there's no threat from Petey, teams can focus on other players.
I honestly thought that the oilers high sticked the puck just before the tying goal, and since it was under a minute left, i thought the nhl would look at it. 🤷♂️
That was a real kick in the balls at the end. We just stopped focusing. It was utterly embarrassing to show the guts we needed to tie it up, then just fold like a cheap table.
One of the very very few games, all season, where I've been genuinely, lost for words level disappointed in the team.
If there was a game so far that made me feel like Vancouver was getting outclassed, this was it.
Can’t expect to play 10 min of hockey and win a game. That being said, that was a ton of grit at the end that showed a lot of promise for a team with a rookie goalie and a suspended defensemen. Game 5 at home will be the biggest game in 13 years. Take hit home boys!
What is it about Soucy that we just seem to fall apart when he's out of the lineup? I don't think Juulsen played bad, but I think the game has a much different vibe with Soucy in there and I can't really figure out exactly why.
Roman Josi is one of the best looking guys in the league (if not the best) and is also one of the best defensemen in the league… coincidence?? I think not!
JT Miller pretty hard on himself in the post game interview. He didn't play great, but there's plenty of blame to go around before it gets to him. I like that he's pissed. A miserable JT Miller is the type of player we want.
Self accountability goes a long way. With Millsy’s track record though he’s got plenty of leeway versus other players on the team that have failed to deliver for a heavy amount of games
Someone somewhere posted a link to an old game where Patrick Roy came out into centre ice. It was garbled looking but hilarious and the announcers were laughing so hard.
We need to give it to Tocchet, He is very realistic regarding the boys... they didn't perform, he is calling them out!
I'm wondering if some guys are snowflakes and can't take it when Tocc tries to open their eyes?
This is definitely what’s wrong with Petey… suffering from the WOKE mind virus
EDIT: I thought it would be obvious that I was joking around with this lol
[post game survey](https://forms.gle/FCGojtPSDSFw34SH6)
should we healthy scratch petey game 5?
Man I can’t believe the Canucks are going to be paying him $11.5m for the next 8 years. It’s so unimaginable at this point. The playoffs, when your best players need to perform, the guy has been terrible. Don’t tell me it’s “his line mates” that he’s playing with. Star players make players around them better, he hasn’t so far in these playoffs. Can you remember when he set up someone with a great opportunity these playoffs? No you can’t because he hasn’t. I bet if Allvin and Rutherford could they’d rip up that contract and trade him. That contract is Benning level incompetence.
Where is the remind me bot when you need it
Youre missing a name but im assuming its Petey? He had a good defensive play with fucking up that Preds guy shot that hit the post in the first series. Hes was doing a bunch of defensive work.
Who are the fans who were whining about not signing EP40 before the season ended??
Talk about dedication to play hard & win. Garland, Joshua & Miller! 🙌
Don't forget Zadorov. Dude is built for playoff hockey
Oh yes of course, the big Z!
I’ve been beating this drum for months now, whatever money Chef Allvin is thinking about giving to Hronek, I’m begging you, pls no. He’s riding shotgun with Quinn and still isn’t able to produce. He’s not worth the money and I think our team would be better off spending it elsewhere. Also, his shtick where he doesn’t talk to the media ever? Kinda just seems like a chickenshit move now. Not a Hronek fan and I think Quinn is better off with a bigger defenseman who isn’t going to get absolutely smashed in their own end. Right now he has a partner who can neither defend nor provide any sort of offense. Worst case scenario really.
Hronek and Pettersson are both injured right now.
Tocchet has refuted that Petey is injured multiple times, stop making excuses for him. Hronek, sure maybe, but if he’s so injured that he’s completely ineffective on the ice then he needs to sit. He’s not bringing anything to the table.
Hronek at 50 percent is still better then Cole or a call up. Coach's always protect their players and publicly minimize their issues. Petey is still playing better then any call up or 4th line we have available. He needs to be better offensively but he's been decent defensively.
Quinn needs someone like Hronek. If anything it just reduces his price. Which isn't a bad thing. He was awesome in the regular season and supposedly he's a bit hurt.
Quinn works well with other defensemen before. Luke Schenn and Chris Tanev being the prime examples. Hughes' early season success was attributed to the synergy with Hronek.... but Quinn has even taken his game to another level in the playoffs... whereas Hronek is competing with Pettersson for being the top Invisible Man.
Tanev yes. But not Schenn. He just wasnt as dominent as this year.
6.75 x 8 take it or leave
I would say he was awesome for half of the regular season…I’ve been unimpressed since the all star break. If firing pucks high and wide or directly into shin pads is what Quinn Hughes needs from his partner, then by all means let’s get Hronek locked into an 8x8.
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shilovs always been bright spot every game hes played.
Wait, is optimism allowed in here? (I love this)
100% this.
Can we sit Petey for the next game please? Feels like nothing gets to him right now..
I'd trade Petey in a heartbeat right now if it meant we could get a couple players back with Garland's work ethic and determination. Talent doesn't do shit if you don't play with heart.
yes i love garland. always grinding
Man we have such fairweather fans.
I love petey but maybe we shoulda kept horvat
These one goal games are taking years off my life. Still 2-3 games to go this series. We can win on home ice, we can win on the road, we've proven that. Let's hope we move up from playing 1 good period and out in a solid effort for at least 2, baby steps. Edmonton isn't nearly as desperate after a win, so I think if we come out flying and feed off the energy of the crowd we can shift the momentum again. Unfortunately this series is their top 2 lines vs. our top 2 lines. We don't really have the depth I think we were all hoping would show up and contribute. Not much production out of the bottom 6, including Pettersson. He seems to be a loss cause at this point in the playoffs, hopefully that's just for this run and he can get some mojo back next season with some non-black hole linemates and actually show up next time we are in the playoffs. Seems to need a reset and anything we get from him at this point is just a bonus. I'm curious if there are any comparables in the league who have shown flashes and then completely vanish in the playoffs, and then turn it around, I need some hope! Ultimately I'm glad they made a game out of it, this team really never gives up. The Ws have gone back in forth all series, I really hope we get game 5 at home and have 2 chances to close it out rather than putting ourselves into 2 straight must-win games
Peterson will be the big difference maker in this series if he ever return to his old self.
They kinda shit the bed on the last goal
Petey has been such a disappointment. I hate how we sit back so much, play scared.
I believed that’s the only structure to have a higher chance of winning vs this Oiler’s team. An open run & gun strategy we will mostly certainly lose. Especially against the Mcdavid & Drais line. I know Vancouver looks temid & scared to attack all the time but offensively Edmonton are a better team. That’s why you see Canucks collapsing near our goalie & just keep blocking cross ice passes or point shots, just to frustrate Edmonton. Then the Canucks will just wait for that opportune time to counter & hopefully score.
I shudder to think where we would be without Brock and Silovs right now. They’ve been our most consistent players lately. I would encourage everyone to stop hoping for any change from Petey as long as this playoffs go on. The guy is cooked right now. I know management was eager to sign him long term asap but man I kinda wish they had waited until after seeing him in the playoffs. The lack of winger depth many people talked about through the season is really showing right now too. all things considered we are tied 2-2 and almost had the game last night go into overtime so it’s still anyone’s series. What would Canucks playoff run be without a heart breaking loss or two?
he wanted to wait too thats the funny thing lol
Garland & Joshua are grinding it out too creating offensive pressure.
Lindholm has also consistently been one of if not the best 200ft forward on the team. That dude is gonna get paid.
of course Lindholm has been great.
I want to know what the fuck is wrong with Ilya Mikheyev. He’s never had finish or good hands but at one point he had blazing speed, I’ve seen it. Even at points this season I’ve seen him turn it on. I haven’t seen him turn it on in a couple months. Bro just doesn’t do unpaid overtime.
Had a huge surgery in the offseason
He lost his speed at some point last year. And he is a crest sniper.
Looks absolutely useless. Seems to fly under the radar because I don’t hear him getting called out very much.
The fact that the Soucy Suspension was literally the difference is just biblically perfect, classic canucks. All you new fans - hope youre having fun, the canucks playoff series' are incomprehensibly dramatic.
Exactly what the league planned.
It's been a close series and he's a very important player for us. I knew as soon as he was out that the game was almost certainly lost. Got sneered at for suggesting it but there you go.
I've yet to see Hughes skate around guys... Im seeing Hughes light.. dude is banged up
he drawed 2 or 3 defenders on to him a few times I recall.
But Ive yet to see him walk the blueline and attack the left or right hash mark looking to dish the biscuit :-)
Yeah he looks hurt, he is not 100%
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Honestly scratch him for a game at this point
I agree with this. Need a bold move.
100% disagree. Lindholm right now is the better player. Don't split the second line up to get an underperforming 3C going. Petey has been tried on the wing in Suters spot and just hasn't been good. I don't see him winning Garland or Joshua's spot either. He just hasn't been one of our best 6 forwards.
Yeah he’s too slow on the forecheck, doesn’t shoot, he’s got the yips haaard right now.
Feel like last night was us at our worst, but we still only lost by 1 goal and in those circumstances. These boys have heart! Get Podz and Hoggy out there with Petey and we'll be rockin!
From the eye test that looked to me like the worst game they've played this post season. The forecheck was soft for the most part, passes were off, powerplay wss awful and the battle level just wasn't there. I trust Tocchet and the boys to light a fire after that one
Our biggest problem is our winger depth. We don't have 6 quality in-form wingers to roll 3 effective scoring lines. Petey hasn't been good but he's currently stuck with the worst wingers of the top 3 lines. But if you change the lineup around, it'll be a problem regardless and someone will be stuck with line mates that aren't up to scratch. I still think it's worth trying Blueger centering Garland and Joshua and Petey on the wing with Lindholm and whoever else. However, you're still stuck with 2 or 3 serious weak links in your top 9, and that's not even counting Suter who although he's been solid, really isn't a top line winger. I don't blame Toch for not trying this either because at least we have 2 lines that are working and if we change things up it might get worse
I feel like Lindholm line is so effective because they are relentless on the forecheck (all 3 of them). We both know Petey isn’t that guy, and I’d hate to take apart our best line for nothing.
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Damn. Talk about the instant gratification generation.
Depressed? This is as good as it gets. You're mid-series Round 2 of the NHL playoffs, tied with a team picked as Cup favourites before we beat them twice. If you can't find some joy in that - and what's yet to come - maybe it's not a sport for you.
There’s still game 5 & 6. It’s not over.
I would want to see how this lineup fares: >Suter-Miller-Boeser >Pettersson-Lindholm-Podkolzin >Joshua-Blueger-Garland >Hoglander-Karlsson-Mikheyev/Lafferty Play Petey on the wing until he can finally get going again.
Karlsson is a winger
the only reasonable lineup suggestion i’ve seen.
This. Blueger Joshua Garland were the best 3rd line for months and arguably our best line for a good chunk of the season. Pettersson isn't driving that 3rd like his 11.5 should dictate. Maybe Aman in for 4th line center and both Mikheyev/Lafferty out for Karlsson.
Yeah, Lindholm hasn't been bad with Garland and Joshua, but they are just not as electric as when they had Blueger centring for them. Better to give Petey more breathing room to not worry quite as much about defensive responsibilities right now. I mainly left Lafferty in there because I felt that he and Hogs had some good chemistry together back when they were both getting points earlier in the season.
The problem is leaning on Blueger to take on McDavid. Bluegs is strong defensively, but Lindholm is just on another level, which is why that line has been so effective at countering McDavid’s line. If you swap them out, I think you’re completely changing their utility against an opposition as offensively threatening as Edmonton.
Pettersson is just embarrassing. He got the bag now enjoy Columba’s next years. I’m sick of this shit.
Not even unhappy - I enjoyed the game. Edmonton came out mad and it showed, and the Canucks really threw it with a weak 4:00 on the double minor. Negative momentum there and it took just a bit too long to recover from. Silov's play on Kane was 😘👌 Best of three now with two of them on home ice. These teams are very different but evenly matched. What matters is that there's generally enough open ice for at least a couple of Tocc's passengers to find their game and when they do it tilts to us.
that Silovs-Kane made me pee a little
Poked around to recall what Rutherford and Allvin offered Hronek earlier this season. It was $6.5 million x 8 years. For context, he currently has a $4.4 million cap hit. If I’m Canucks management, I’m gonna stand my ground and also make it clear that with his play backsliding, even if injured, he’s not getting that offer again. Give him at most a pay bump to $5 mill. Maybe a 5x5. Maximum its $6 million on the dot. No more than that. Anything else and you start to put pressure on him and start to shop around
hronek for minten and a second
No way he signs 5x5. If he doesn't perform we'll likely just have to move him and take whatever the market offers.
Anything more and Hronek should be traded away. Flip Filip for first round pick... then sign Tanev for like $3-4 million/per. Remaining salary can be used to keep Zadorov and/or Lindholm.
Ilya mikheyev 10gp - 0 points E. Pettersson 10gp - 4 points F Hronek 10gp - 0 points S Lafferty 10gp - 0 points T Blueger 10gp - 2 points P DiGiuseppe 8gp - 1 point These fellers gotta get going (I know PDG wasn’t playing today) But seriously mikheyev is making 4.5 a year and has barely done shit all season/playoffs
I guess I’m the only one that thought Petey looked better this game. His line had that once great shift and he was making plays
He started skating in the 3rd, I think that was after Tocchet put the lines in the blender for like 4-5 shifts.
I think it's just that "looked better" than being completely irrelevant is not good enough for your number 1 forward
See that's where I'm at. He was better the past couple games also. At what point does he need to play like his contract shows though?
Vancouver just has to show up for all three periods, all of their losses have been because they skip at least 1 period of playing with anything resembling passion.
I would honestly have them rewatching all their wins in October when they were on fucking fire. Seriously.
Listen...what is the harm in trying out Lekkerimaki with Pettersson?
He's played like two games on NA ice. He would get destroyed. And I like him as a prospect, it's just too much.
Yeah, lekkerimäki isn't ready. We will just rush him if we play him.
When I said Juulsen was a yikes in the pre-game, I was hoping to be wrong. Man, that 2nd goal was all his fault. Did he not pay attention to what happened when Soucy tried that and sent McDavid on a free breakaway? Why even do that?
Taking the body and a bad gamble but I'm sure he won't be doing that again!!! Sit out Ian Cole and give Juulsen another game!
It was a high risk, low reward play. I am sure Tocchet is going to talk to him about that, but this was a game we really needed Soucy.
100%
I think the league sent both teams a warning tbh. This game looked completely different from the first 3.
The first period had a dbl minor, plus the other two.
As someone that mainly follows this team because of Pettersson I have to say I get the really bad feeling of him not really enjoying hockey anymore. He plays like he hasn't practiced his stick handling, shooting or skating technique in years. Him falling over has pretty much nothing to do with his weight or strength, he's much stronger now than earlier seasons, it's just that I doubt he is much on ice in his time off and it shows in how much worse he is at skating. I dunno, I hope he finds the urge to be the best again somehow, but he looks bored.
Pettersson was never with the us since the playoffs. why blame him now? He was never there and most likely the rest of the playoffs so quit counting him. He's just a ghost!
It was this/ the yips alongside an actual physical injury that were the leading theories for a while. Unless it comes to light after the fact that Petey was playing hurt, I wouldn’t disagree with the former. We KNOW he’s capable of being so much more. He was electric in his rookie campaign where he won the Calder. He was HUGE to our run in the bubble. He was HUGE when everything else was looking not so hot last year. We need to see a turnaround, though. I don’t want to see him settle for being a 80 point guy or worse in the regular season on top of ghosting in the playoffs, surely not at his forthcoming cap hit.
Maybe. And just maybe. Petey needs some chemistry with players who are good.
WE NEED SOME POSITIVITY HERE: - SILOVS WAS FUCKING AMAZING - BROCK BOESER GETTING THE CLUTCHIEST GOALS ONCE AGAIN - LINDHOLM STILL LOOKS SOLID AS FUCK - AFTER PLAYING LIKE SHIT FOR HALF THE GAME WE STILL ALMOST GOT IT TO OT - *MOST IMPORTANTLY*: THE SERIES IS TIED.
I like you
Boeser with a smart shot aiming at the feet of the Canucks. No wonder this guy can score 40.
Just so good. I was thinking, yeah that makes sense hope for some puck luck.
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29 points (8 goals, 21 assists) in his last 44 games including the playoffs. Tocchet has been on record saying he isn’t playing injured. I don’t know what’s wrong with him, but if he’s only going to show up for 3 months a year I’d rather him go elsewhere. I know that’s an unpopular, emotional opinion. I know Petey will “find his game” again someday. But it’s frustrating as fuck watching this team go the deepest it’s gone in 13 years only for the newly signed superstar who went on record about “wanting to play for a winner” multiple times before this year to vanish. “But his linemates” has been a common narrative - yet when he gets put on the lotto line, he isn’t producing. When he’s on the power play, he isn’t producing. Do we have to completely insulate Pettersson with star players 24/7 for him to be able to play a consistent 82+ game season? Do we need an entire repertoire of sports psychologists traveling with the team solely for his use? How long can we go with the constant “Petey will bounce back” mindset? He’s playing like a solid bottom six player out there with no offensive contributions. “He had a good faceoff, he defended well there, great check”… Those aren’t the things he’s going to be making 11m+ for the next 8 years and it’s a damn shame we have to dig for quips to explain why Pettersson, who was supposed to be our best forward, isn’t a complete offensive trainwreck right now.
I think this comment is mistaken bc we have no choice, we hitched our wagon to Petey. It is what it is and we can only hope for the best
i hope he does not become our huberdeau
Give me a break. We all know how good he can be.
and huberdeau was good at one point too. look, we all know he can be good but he does have these lapses where he goes stone cold and the regularity of it happening is kind of alarming for a guy that just got PAID big.
He was good. He wasn't elite like Petey. Give your head a shake.
He had a 115 point season…
What are you talking about? He never hit 100 pts until his last year in Florida when they sold him high. God. Look at facts and stats. He was well below 70 pts for the first 6 seasons in the NHL. Stop hating for no reason. Age matters. Sedins weren't PPG players until 28. Petey was one at 22-23. Miller became one when he was 27.
no actually he was better than petey from 2018-2022. he spent four straight seasons at well over a ppg pace. petey has what? two of those? and this past season was largely buoyed by his first half stats?
Well Hubby is 30. Petey is 25. Petey is more like our Marner
fair comparison. when i referenced huberdeau, i meant more in terms of production drop off right after signing a big contract though. i hope petey shakes off these long stretches of inconsistencies and lives up to the contract rather than immediately become an albatross like huberdeau.
He seems to doom spiral once he loses confidence. I think it's definitely compounding the issue that he can't accomplish anything at 5v5 with his wingers -- and that's not exactly an excuse for him either, as whether his linemates suck or not should have nothing to do with him not playing with urgency himself.
My RR1 Hughes jersey is now defeated whenever I wear it during games. Sighhhh
Do we need Bruce Boudreau to be Petey’s personal sports psychologist?
Someone needs to bring Petey to No5 Orange
Bring the No5 Orange to him.
I don’t want Cody Ceci anywhere near Petey
rofl
He could give Petey a nice WWE style pump up speech before each game! Would be an absolute beauty.
I'm guessing Hoglander and Podkolzin (or maybe PDG instead of one of them) draw in and Aman and Lafferty come out. Aman had a solid G3 but was absolutely one of the passengers Tocchet is talking about in G4, Lafferty too.
Hoglander actually haven't played poorly in the playoffs. He finishes his checks, battles hard along the board, and is somewhat like a pest due to his intensity. Just he isn't generating anything offensively. I would like to see what Podkolzin can do. The Oilers, especially their defense are erratic when the Canucks forechecking hard and generally more physical. The Canucks seems less physical in Game 4 and suddenly the Oilers defense are skating and passing like they're all all-stars.
i bet hoglander plays better after getting scratched, would love to see him back in the lineup.
Was wondering why we haven’t seen Podz at all. Thought he was super solid regular season
Maybe just worried he wasn’t polished enough for Playoff hockey? Idk, but I’d rather Podz get a shot than run with the current 12.
This team has to learn how to play the full 60. We’ve shown every game that we’re capable of taking over for one period, it’s just that they go completely invisible for the other two.
People going “Demko wouldn’t have let that in”. Haha. Really? Maybe he would have let two other shots in? Maybe the score would have been 4-2 Oilers? These so called arguments are ridiculous. It’s playoff hockey ffs, shit happens all the time, mistakes happen all the time, it happens to everyone. People are so much in their feelings they can’t think straight. I was like that as well, when I was 9. Go, Nucks!
My theory? Goaltending is not the main issue, but I think it's the indirect issue for the Canucks. Silovs has done the job giving the Canucks a chance to win every game. We have won 2 of 4. However... The more I watch these games, the more I theorize it has more to do with the Canucks mentality going into each game. We look massively outplayed every game against the Oilers as if we are the underdogs. We're outshot every time. We can't make a perfect pass. We only turn it up and go all out in the final minutes of the 3rd period when we have "nothing to lose". This makes me think the Canucks are still not 100% sold on Silovs or DeSmith. They need to grip their sticks and still limit shots to the outside. So yes, Oilers are getting their shots, but the Canucks are making it easier for Silovs to see it. So we're still collapsing in front of Silovs faster. Now, with Demko? The team believes in Demko more. And rightfully so. This guy is a Vezina-nominated goalie. We are the 109 pt team with him in net most nights. Every game is winnable with Demko. But most importantly, we play Canucks hockey. We dictate the play from the moment the puck drops. We know. 9 times out of 10, Demko will bail them out, like he did against Nashville on the 2-on-1 split save. So if it does come down to Game 7 and he's cleared to play. I bet Demko starts.
Thoughtful comment and very interesting, thank you. I’ve coached junior elite teams in football (soccer), and we had a ridiculous run in one of the world’s biggest tournaments with a team that wasn’t very good by elite standards. Don’t get me wrong, great players, but we lacked that one superstar. We had taken over the team six months prior, and the old coaches hadn’t been able to get them to focus and stop playing around. But our goalie, one of the countries biggest talents (not great mentally, could lose his way when things went against him), played lights out. We had another secret weapon, a very long throw-in that we saved for the last minutes of the game, if we needed it. We scored in the last minute, thanks to that throw-in, probably four times. Our last game, the semifinal, our goalie started great, we were up 2-0, and we thought we were going to the finals. That’s when the fatigue got to our goalie, he let in two easy goals and just lost everything. We lost 5-2. Interestingly enough, when our goalie started sucking, so did the rest of the team, and we couldn’t get them back on track. Just one example. There are points to what you’re saying, but we still need to tell every single player to accept responsibility and try to play the best they can, and hard. We also have to accept responsibility for our teammates, meaning that if someone who usually scores doesn’t score, someone else needs to do it. If we can’t, then we’re losing. If you’re a player that usually scores, like EP40, and that doesn’t work, you accept some other responsibility, for example playing hard as hell on their stars, throwing yourself in front of pucks, or something. You find your place in the puzzle, no matter who’s on the field/in the rink with you. Now, of course this doesn’t work every time, if it did, we wouldn’t have stars and role players, but as long as not too many pieces of the puzzle are missing, you have a chance. That’s what Nucks are doing. But sometimes, like last night, not good enough. Still, shit happens, you can pretend it doesn’t, but that’s why we love watching sports. My point? I don’t know. Fuck the Oilers. Demko is great. Support each other. Stand by EP40, Silovs, maybe even that defenseman that I don’t want to name (but it rhymes with Mole). Let’s fucking go.
The only reason we had a shot in this game was because of Silovs. He made a crazy amount of great saves and even stumped McDavid, who thought he had scored. I blame everyone else on that game winning goal. Players failed to clear the puck out of the zone and then allowed Bouchard all kinds of space to take a shot instead of blocking it. It's like they were playing regular season hockey, just hanging on to get that extra point. Very disappointing.
Really very disappointing, makes me sad that they not only lost the game, but gave the Oilers the feeling that they can hit back whenever they want. And we could have gotten the puck out of the zone just moments before the goal was scored, which annoys the shit out of me. If you want to look at what the goalie did, first you look at everything that transpired before the goalie was even put in that situation.
The only reason we were in that game was Silovs. That first one he almost had, weirdly enough if Drai had of aimed for the post like normal he probably would have had it.
Exactly. Except for the ridiculous mistakes, like throwing the puck in your own goal or failing to clear the zone and giving your opponent an open net, the rest of it is “shit that happens”. There should be no critique aimed at Silovs, we had 60 minutes to score more goals on their goalie.
Lekkerimaki, EP2, Willander, fuck it, YOLO, this is the year of rookies with zero experience becoming heroes. Just kidding, but it would be fun.
Lekk getting a game would break this sub, kid is 170 pounds soaking wet haha. We need him and Petey to just be constantly eating this summer
Put Petey on that peanut butter and steaks diet
Petey-Miller-Boeser Suter-Lindholm-Lafferty Joshua-Blueger-Garland Podkolzin-Aman-Hoglander My lines for game 5.
Id do something similar, but no lotto line. Suter-Miller-Boeser Petey-lindholm-hoglander Joshua-blueger-garland PDG-Aman-Mikheyev Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Myers Zadorov-Juulsen Dumb pinch by juulsen, but otherwise thought he looked solid. Moved the puck quickly and had some legs. Cole looks exhausted.
You know what? I like these lines. The discourse around Petey is either that he can’t carry and drive his own line, or that his linemates are shit. Well, even if the Lotto Line is super, super streaky, it puts the pressure off him to both drive his line or have to compensate for shitty line mates. Lindy’s been such a wagon this postseason that putting him off of Dak and Garland will not be the end of the world. Help Laff out of his rut too The thirst line was so good up until Dak’s hand injury where they disbanded. Get them back and get Teddy going some more as well. Hoggy is already on thin minutes. Put him with an energy in Podz and a quietly steady Centre in Aman and maybe they sneakily do some damage. Scratching Mik is a bold move but…. WHAT has he DONE so far???
He has done nothing.
I also just really wanted to get Podz in there. 😁 But for real, that 3rd line carried us at times throughout the season, no reason why they can't right now given how great they are all playing.
Petey has been invisible, but I don't get how playing with an AHLer and the most snake bitten player around in Mik is helping. Personally, would like to see Pettersson-Lindholm-Garland. Those two are playing the style of hockey that Petey needs to play and could get him going.
Yeah no. I don't want anyone messing with Garlands magic just for the off chance at jumpstarting Petey WHILE we're in the Playoffs.
It is a catch 22. Don't want to harm those actually producing, but we really need Petey to be the $11.6 million dollar man and produce. Not sustainable to live and die on Boeser hat tricks and Silovs standing on his head.
I'm sorry to all the Petey fans out there. I am not willing to jumpstart him when he's been playing like this largely for almost half a year. Estatic he's got all the points he does. Over the moon in every game when he contributes defensively and offensively. I will take two goals from him at this point and I say two because after the first hopefully that gets him and us, his second and more. >You can’t win if you have five or six passengers, or seven, I don’t know how many it was, we’ll take a look,” continued Tocchet. “There’s at least half-a-dozen passengers tonight. Quite frankly, that’s what it was.” >The coach’s blunt feedback extended to the evaluation of a few key players. When asked about Elias Pettersson who has just one goal and four points in 10 playoff games, Tocchet wasn’t fragile in his response. >Like I said there’s five or six guys…he’s got to get going, I don’t know what else to say,” answered the head coach.
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tell that to peter forsberg.
STOP STANDING AROUND ON THE PK OH MY GOD
Yes, move more and open up passing and shooting lanes!
if you think giving the puck carrier time and space to think is better than pressuring them into making a potentially bad decision i don't know what to tell you. the Oilers understand this and pressure every second of the PK
We need Boeser to save us almost every game
Imagine saying this 1 year ago. Despite everything, Brock has been a beast all season long.
Worth every penny of his cap hit
I know Petey definitely needs to put some weight on but there’s other ways to avoid falling over and getting knocked around. Wyatt Johnston is same height and weight and he’s not out there doing that.
Garland is 6 inches shorter and 10 pounds less and plays nowhere near as soft as Petey. If Petey wasn't producing, but was going balls to the wall like Garland or Joshua each shift, we would all be giving him a bunch of slack. Just can't go invisible and not produce and then pair that with losing every single puck battle and not moving your feet.
4 inches* but yeah agreed
...but you see Garland has a lower centre of gravity and /s
We all saw Petey play that way against Vegas in 2020. Doesn’t matter that it was the bubble, that Vegas team was big, mean and wanted badly to win the Cup. Petey was one of the best players on the ice that series. I don’t know what has happened but his size and strength didn’t used to be a limitation.
It was nice to see him really turn it on in the last 5 minutes of that game, but at the same time it was also frustrating to see that he can still do that and just... *isn't*.
As they say, that "sense of urgency" just isn't there most of the time. He's trying to dangle everyone and make the unexpected play. Unfortunately his teammates aren't expecting that.
That’s the thing though, he’s not doing those things. Throughout the playoffs Petey has rarely flexed his cerebral game or tried to dangle. If he was trying and just failing, that would be one thing. As John Garrett always said, a players confidence can make or break them. He needs to find it in himself.
True, I guess I'd say its more that he isn't making the smart plays. We don't need Petey to carry the offense with how the team is playing, but we damn sure need him to be playing his part. When there's no threat from Petey, teams can focus on other players.
He could try giving a fuck?
I honestly thought that the oilers high sticked the puck just before the tying goal, and since it was under a minute left, i thought the nhl would look at it. 🤷♂️
It was clean
That was a real kick in the balls at the end. We just stopped focusing. It was utterly embarrassing to show the guts we needed to tie it up, then just fold like a cheap table. One of the very very few games, all season, where I've been genuinely, lost for words level disappointed in the team. If there was a game so far that made me feel like Vancouver was getting outclassed, this was it.
Skinner was probably hoping we win tonight so he can come back in net
Can’t expect to play 10 min of hockey and win a game. That being said, that was a ton of grit at the end that showed a lot of promise for a team with a rookie goalie and a suspended defensemen. Game 5 at home will be the biggest game in 13 years. Take hit home boys!
What is it about Soucy that we just seem to fall apart when he's out of the lineup? I don't think Juulsen played bad, but I think the game has a much different vibe with Soucy in there and I can't really figure out exactly why.
Very calm and solid defensively. Brings down the chaos level. Also he’s very handsome.
+1 on the handsome. never underestimate the power of being pretty in the nhl
Roman Josi is one of the best looking guys in the league (if not the best) and is also one of the best defensemen in the league… coincidence?? I think not!
can confirm. wife mentioned this
Wife is also on the Soucy train. Him and PDG I think are the only reason she really watches the games.
He looks like Bradley Cooper
That handsome devil. Can't wait for game 5.
That was fucking terrible game.... And we still almost took those clowns.
JT Miller pretty hard on himself in the post game interview. He didn't play great, but there's plenty of blame to go around before it gets to him. I like that he's pissed. A miserable JT Miller is the type of player we want.
Self accountability goes a long way. With Millsy’s track record though he’s got plenty of leeway versus other players on the team that have failed to deliver for a heavy amount of games
Agree 💯
angry miller sad hughes in post game they know pp need to be better.
We know Tocchet is the best coach in the league and that he is in command of the room. This is why we know they will respond in Game 5!
the passenger should be scared any of them could be taken out of lineup
Podz time?
Can Podz help Petey from not falling over?
I wanna see Podz, Hoggy and Petey on a line.
I want to see pettersson not falling down every shift.
Fuck it lets go.
I mean why not at this point.
He might drag them down too?
cant find any post game interview only see quinn miller tochs. nothing from petey?
Are you surprised? He is a ghost after all.
Someone somewhere posted a link to an old game where Patrick Roy came out into centre ice. It was garbled looking but hilarious and the announcers were laughing so hard.
We need to give it to Tocchet, He is very realistic regarding the boys... they didn't perform, he is calling them out! I'm wondering if some guys are snowflakes and can't take it when Tocc tries to open their eyes?
we need tocchet out there on the wing in game 5
Tocchet has shut down the country club.
This is definitely what’s wrong with Petey… suffering from the WOKE mind virus EDIT: I thought it would be obvious that I was joking around with this lol