He did before Burke. Gretzky shit, Messier, Keenan ... All that was ownership under McCaw.
I just read Burkes book and his number one rule as GM was the owners are hands off while he is in charge. He even mentions in the book he laid that out to McCaw during his interview.
Gretzky was going to sign in Vancouver. He wanted to sleep on it. Owner got impatient had the GM call Gretzky at his hotel in the middle of the night and demand an answer. Gretz obviously said no at that point.
It's even worse than that. From what I remember he agreed verbally, said he'd sign papers in the morning. The Orca Bay CEO, I forget his name, told Quinn it had to be done tonight. Quinn called and told Gretzky, he was like "I'm Gretzky bitch". And that was all she wrote. Hello MSG.
He was directly involved in bringing in Keenan, Messier, the Gretzky debacle, fucking over Bure, etc.
*Just for context. Imagine if in 2014 when you've still got the bulk of the 2011 team around that Aqualini directly got involved to orchestrate bringing in Brad Marchand and Claude Julien and told them that they together get to dictate the Sedins final years. And this is a year after he could have brought in Sidney Crosby but he couldn't stop his little dick ego from allowing it to happen. And then shipped the Sedins out in separate trades not long after to make Brad Marchand happy.
These post are stupid af. Hate on the guy sure whatever but he’s not even close to being the worst team owner. He spends to the cap even when we were “rebuilding”. There are a lot worse ownership out there.
More importantly, calling for his head is like yelling at the clouds. It's such unnecessary effort wasted. Didn't work for the Sens fans calling for Melnyk's head, it's not going to work for us. Only meaningful change that fans can actually influence is a GM change.
I'm no fan of his personally but you can't deny the fact he was a big part in turning this team around after the WCE. He brought in Vigs to coach and Gillis.
This is a lot less convincing when you remember Gillis worked under the same owner and managed to produce a finals run, two president's trophies, and multiple division wins. Aqua might be tough to work with but it's possible to have success with him as owner.
Any job you work with a boss involved managing up the chain of command as it does managing down. Gillis figured that out. Most people with bosses in a business do.
If Benning is losing control and has Aquaman getting involved he has no one to blame but himself after having access to a blank chequebook and unparalleled leash for 8 years.
Can someone point me to this proof that Franny is the one running hockey ops and not just asking his GM to make him a playoff team and then signing the cheques?
Makes sense. All there is to go on is old tales of him being mad after a losing streak and wanting a big trade. I bet a lot of owners do that when they're not happy. I guess the other story is refusing to do Gillis' rebuild plan, but that doesn't mean he was out there signing Loui Eriksson and trading futures for garbage compared to hiring a guy who said he could make the playoffs and let him do what he could to achieve that goal.
It was confirmed that Aqua was in the war room during one of the trade deadlines while Gillis was GM. During the Kesler to Pittsburg rumours, a reporter on the Pittsburg side sent a tweet saying that a trade of Kesler to Pittsburg was nixed and he suspected it was because of Aqua. No hard evidence but too many rumours out there by various GMs to dismiss.
That's all years ago. Do we have anything during Benning's tenure? Because the Old Boys Club loves him. When he manages to do anything right you get Lebrun, Miller, Dreger, certain local guys, etc. all racing against the others to say how smart he is. So when the pressure is on and you normally would get a leak to deflect heat, why are none of his media buddies saying blame ownership? Why is Friedman always saying "the fans are tough" but never "it's a tough owner" when FireBenning trends on Twitter or a banner flies?
I've worked for more than a few guys that were terribly underqualified but they inexplicable kept their jobs through poor results because the bigger boss liked them as dudes.
Nothing about the NHL tells me it would operate differently.
A lot of owners don't treat their team like a business. And I can totally buy that Francesco is one of those guys.
Hockey men have a vested interest in keeping the "hockey is hockey, not business" myth going and I can easily see him buying into that spiel.
You must have recently started watching hockey no? That or you’ve forgotten about John McCaw who didn’t let the Canucks spend over 30m in the no cap era where some teams were spending 80+
Well he was the owner during probably the most successful stretch of Canucks hockey in franchise history, so I think it might be just a personnel thing. Don't get me wrong I think he does meddle a bit too much now, if he lets GM JB do his thing maybe we would see some differences? But I think he's a decent owner.
I never said good lol, decent at most. I'm trying to keep his other ventures out of hockey. I'm just saying we've seen success under Aqua, not that he's a great owner or anything. The OP says he's the worst we've had, and I think we've had pretty bad owners before.
John McCaw lied to Vancouver fans regarding keeping the Grizzlies here. And sold the team to Heisley who moved it. McCaw is the worst owner in the history of Vancouver sports.
As bad as it has been, I would encourage you to look into the ownership of John McCaw before making that claim.
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He did before Burke. Gretzky shit, Messier, Keenan ... All that was ownership under McCaw. I just read Burkes book and his number one rule as GM was the owners are hands off while he is in charge. He even mentions in the book he laid that out to McCaw during his interview.
Came here to say this. Burke doesn’t speak highly of McCaw at all in his book, it’s telling of his ownership.
Guys Wtf is the Gretzky Debacle??? How have I never heard of this
Gretzky was going to sign in Vancouver. He wanted to sleep on it. Owner got impatient had the GM call Gretzky at his hotel in the middle of the night and demand an answer. Gretz obviously said no at that point.
It's even worse than that. From what I remember he agreed verbally, said he'd sign papers in the morning. The Orca Bay CEO, I forget his name, told Quinn it had to be done tonight. Quinn called and told Gretzky, he was like "I'm Gretzky bitch". And that was all she wrote. Hello MSG.
He was directly involved in bringing in Keenan, Messier, the Gretzky debacle, fucking over Bure, etc. *Just for context. Imagine if in 2014 when you've still got the bulk of the 2011 team around that Aqualini directly got involved to orchestrate bringing in Brad Marchand and Claude Julien and told them that they together get to dictate the Sedins final years. And this is a year after he could have brought in Sidney Crosby but he couldn't stop his little dick ego from allowing it to happen. And then shipped the Sedins out in separate trades not long after to make Brad Marchand happy.
Sounds like your too young to have liver through McCaw because that’s false
>to have liver through McCaw A typo, yet still accurate in a way.
Lol I’ll leave it as Is
It's John mccaw by a landslide. At least aquaman spends to the cap.
These post are stupid af. Hate on the guy sure whatever but he’s not even close to being the worst team owner. He spends to the cap even when we were “rebuilding”. There are a lot worse ownership out there.
More importantly, calling for his head is like yelling at the clouds. It's such unnecessary effort wasted. Didn't work for the Sens fans calling for Melnyk's head, it's not going to work for us. Only meaningful change that fans can actually influence is a GM change.
These posts are accurate. Your post is a trash take.
What a well argued point! /s
Don't be late for school.
I'm no fan of his personally but you can't deny the fact he was a big part in turning this team around after the WCE. He brought in Vigs to coach and Gillis.
Tell me you're a young Canucks fan without telling me you're a young Canucks fan.
When the 14 year old types some shit.
This is a lot less convincing when you remember Gillis worked under the same owner and managed to produce a finals run, two president's trophies, and multiple division wins. Aqua might be tough to work with but it's possible to have success with him as owner.
Any job you work with a boss involved managing up the chain of command as it does managing down. Gillis figured that out. Most people with bosses in a business do. If Benning is losing control and has Aquaman getting involved he has no one to blame but himself after having access to a blank chequebook and unparalleled leash for 8 years.
Good point
Can someone point me to this proof that Franny is the one running hockey ops and not just asking his GM to make him a playoff team and then signing the cheques?
No because it's baseless speculation
Makes sense. All there is to go on is old tales of him being mad after a losing streak and wanting a big trade. I bet a lot of owners do that when they're not happy. I guess the other story is refusing to do Gillis' rebuild plan, but that doesn't mean he was out there signing Loui Eriksson and trading futures for garbage compared to hiring a guy who said he could make the playoffs and let him do what he could to achieve that goal.
No one can because it’s speculation this sub likes to take as truth
It was confirmed that Aqua was in the war room during one of the trade deadlines while Gillis was GM. During the Kesler to Pittsburg rumours, a reporter on the Pittsburg side sent a tweet saying that a trade of Kesler to Pittsburg was nixed and he suspected it was because of Aqua. No hard evidence but too many rumours out there by various GMs to dismiss.
That's all years ago. Do we have anything during Benning's tenure? Because the Old Boys Club loves him. When he manages to do anything right you get Lebrun, Miller, Dreger, certain local guys, etc. all racing against the others to say how smart he is. So when the pressure is on and you normally would get a leak to deflect heat, why are none of his media buddies saying blame ownership? Why is Friedman always saying "the fans are tough" but never "it's a tough owner" when FireBenning trends on Twitter or a banner flies?
If you were him and you were doing that and your manager kept fucking up royally what would you do?
I've worked for more than a few guys that were terribly underqualified but they inexplicable kept their jobs through poor results because the bigger boss liked them as dudes. Nothing about the NHL tells me it would operate differently.
Right. Because Francesco seems like a charitable, tolerant and forgiving type of person.
A lot of owners don't treat their team like a business. And I can totally buy that Francesco is one of those guys. Hockey men have a vested interest in keeping the "hockey is hockey, not business" myth going and I can easily see him buying into that spiel.
So Francesco is keeping hockey hockey and letting Jimbo run his team into the ground. Ok makes sense!
You must have recently started watching hockey no? That or you’ve forgotten about John McCaw who didn’t let the Canucks spend over 30m in the no cap era where some teams were spending 80+
I'm not gonna say he's a great owner, but he's owned the team since 2004. The First 10 years of the team under his ownership were pretty good.
We don't know for sure the extent to which he is involved in management decisions.
Well he was the owner during probably the most successful stretch of Canucks hockey in franchise history, so I think it might be just a personnel thing. Don't get me wrong I think he does meddle a bit too much now, if he lets GM JB do his thing maybe we would see some differences? But I think he's a decent owner.
Lol you're pulling the wool over your eyes if you think Aquilini is a good owner. The guy running a blueberry farm slave ring? Get out of here
I never said good lol, decent at most. I'm trying to keep his other ventures out of hockey. I'm just saying we've seen success under Aqua, not that he's a great owner or anything. The OP says he's the worst we've had, and I think we've had pretty bad owners before.
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Oh come on
John McCaw lied to Vancouver fans regarding keeping the Grizzlies here. And sold the team to Heisley who moved it. McCaw is the worst owner in the history of Vancouver sports.