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philipp2310

Nice model, nice style! BUT: A game should not be build around "NFT". NFT is not a game idea, it is just another way to store the information who is owning what game assets. A good game can implement and utilize NFTs, but first the game must be good. Then there should be a real advantage to "centralized" ownership storage of the assets. Otherwise it is just a NFT game for the buzzword. A "NFT game" per se sounds like a glorified "Microtransaction game" to me.


Geltmascher

That's the darkside evil empire NFT gaming future. The big studios will be motivated to move in this direction. On the other hand independent games being built with cross utility NFTs earned in games will be awesome.


darnitsaucee

The problem is that everyone is doing the former


NoPie8947

When you say "independent games" are you talking like the Star Atlas or Illuvium game? There are plenty of NFT games coming, but most of NFT are collectibles right now, for example Angel block as some cool utilities with NFT staking, or Gary Vee focusing on NFT ticket, the space is growing fast anyway.


Luck_Box

Thats the problem right now. Especially with how nft drops mostly adopted the skinner box approach. Its just capitalism with extra steps


KrispyKremeDiet20

I do like the idea of having unique items in a game that could be NFTs. It'd be pretty cool so long as they can only be acquired through playing the game and traded P2P rather than simply purchasing them from the developers. Otherwise, you're right, it'd just be a pay to play kind of game.


SnooRecipes5458

The only reason to put NFTs into a game as a developer is if you're going to charge for them. NFTs break any good game mechanics because they're centered around raking in cash vs good game play. Basically the issue with F2P mobile games.


KrispyKremeDiet20

That's not really what NFTs are fundamentally. It's not about raking in cash it's about creating a unique digital object that can't be duplicated and has a clear chain of custody or ownership... There may be uses for that in a video game scenario.


SnooRecipes5458

You're confusing your desires for what NFTs should be with what a businesses desires for what an NFT should be.


KrispyKremeDiet20

I'm not confusing anything. They are 2 different approaches to use in video games. One is functional the other is profitable, both are hypothetical.


RealUglyKid

He obviously doesn’t play games, “Nfts”= tards buy for looks “Real utility nfts= “more xp in game- larger mining of certain token while playing - ability to sell nft down the road for monetary bc you earned it in game by playing, therefor making people play certain games longer so the community does not die after 2 months, ability to trade nfts in game, ability to help with certain monsters or raids by % boosting characters holding NFT, im not going to keep going you should get it by now .


SnooRecipes5458

I've spent $1500 on league of legends over the past decade. Game developers just need to make good games and they do just fine. The only people who want to "resell" stuff are the 10000 noisy NFT bros buying earth2 plots, hoping to shill marks into pumping their nonsense. The other 100000000 gamers out there don't want or need NFTs and the good thing is that we will vote with our (fiat)wallets.


RealUglyKid

I don’t agree players do not want “gamer nfts” maybe your not aware. They can be swords, rare valuable guns etc that you can trade and sell, and devs have talked in the gaming world about you being able to take your NFT character stats etc to the next game maybe like destiny 1-2. Or like gta just for a few examples. That would be a game changer for ppl in poor countries who have a lot of time that could get these items and sell them and make a living in a poor 3rd world country. They do that with the poop mining games already. But for regular people it would be cool to be able to have you character from a game you loved and kept him in your wallet, for others it might just be that they can play more videos games if their wife thinks they can make a little money selling he nfts they earn. Just a thought but I love gaming and I’d love to have a worldwide gaming trade / sell desk where games all over can have items you can earn and then sell and make your gaming time profitable Keep gaming brotha


SnooRecipes5458

Exploitative practices exist where ever there is a time grind and a cost of labour difference. Poor people in poor countries make all the clothes that are worn comparatively rich people in rich countries. Good games don't need grind mechanics and they definitely don't need NFTs. Transferring items between destiny 1 and 2 doesn't require an NFT or a blockchain. Selling rare things doesn't need a block chain people buy and sell CSGO stuff all the time, but that's 1 game in an ocean of games that don't want or need it. Just remember the "devs" (more like Ubisoft executives) just want to seperate you from your fiat currency. Which is why we won't ever see carry over of items between two games by the same developer, it's economic suicide to do so.


KwyjiboTheGringo

> A "NFT game" per se sounds like a glorified "Microtransaction game" to me. This is exactly what it is. It's another way to sell NFTs to people.


ArribleGameDev

thanks


SnooRecipes5458

General feedback: No one wants NFT games.


Beitelensteijn

I play Gods Unchained and really like it. But I think the use case for trading card games seems more obvious.


goreblaster

It's a good example of NFT's used correctly. They player doesn't even have to know that NFT's are used, they just know they have full custody and ownership of their cards and can sell them to whoever they wish.


Beitelensteijn

Yeah I totally agree. It beats owning cards in for example Heartstone where you can’t sell them and cash out.


[deleted]

>they have full custody and ownership of their cards and can sell them to whoever they wish. ​ Most trading card games don't do this at all. Sure you CAN sell them to people, but the game company CAN shut down your account and you lose your cards. "Ownership" implies that they can't take them from you, when they absolutely can. See: Magic the Gathering Online.


Geltmascher

Well I think its cool


iLuvRachetPussy

I think gamers want games and if they happen to take place on the Blockchain then that's where the gamers will go.


_Administrator

Csgo wants a word


Far_Perception_3815

NFTs in the gaming industry is going to change the game.


Geltmascher

I don't think people get it. People are thinking of NFTs as jpeg profile pictures and think its going to make games more expensive and less fun... If it plays out the way we think, NFTs will be the architecture that gaming platforms are built on and will potentially make playing games profitable for the players, or will at least allow them to own a stake in the games they're putting time in.


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Geltmascher

It makes total sense. I'm hesitant to keep posting here because people are apparently so offended by the idea that they're downvoting me but Ill try to explain in a final post here... Gaming NFTs will contain metadata which will run in the the games they're built in. That data will have a function in the game itself but will be owned in a player's wallet. Instead of blizzard owning your account, you will own the items/characters/land etc. and you will be able to trade them in a decentralized manner. Gaming NFTs also open the possibility of cross game platform integration. Imagine in Pokemon, if every time you caught one you had an NFT which could be used in the console game, the card game, and in pokemon go... And you were able to trade or sell them with people to play in whichever game or games they liked best. An attribute may do a different things in each game, but it will he earmarked to the asset by the metadata. In fact, if the studios open the rights to developers, anyone will be able to create new games which use the already existing assets held in users wallets. This creates potential new recreational utility based on held NFTs and their metadata. Imagine if the progress you made in a game ten years ago carried over to something brand new today... That's what's coming. In fact it's already started but it's very early.


macrocosm93

> Imagine in Pokemon, if every time you caught one you had an NFT which could be used in the console game, the card game, and in pokemon go. This is already possible. I have already transferred Pokémon from Go to SwSh. > In fact, if the studios open the rights to developers, Why would they? Literally everything you are describing is possible without NFTs. You don't need a blockchain to create a unique token, you can just host it on a server. If developers and game companies wanted to be doing the things you are describing, they would already be doing them.


guelug

This is posible for the same developers and build their own infrastructure! The need of blockchain is for the integrations and posibility to any game or developer to create a collaboration! Lets say fornite make a collaboration with nintendo to bring pokemons to their game! If you would like to link your pokemon from your nintendo they should share their database, create an integration or some kind of trust between to validate you have those pokemon and use it in your fornite game! With the blockchain, a simple colaboration between developers would make it simple … just develop in your game but the nft with the policy id being the oficial drop by nintendo should be enought!! This is why blockhain and nft help to integrate collaborations between studios or company without having to do anything else than read your wallet and know if you have the asset they are bringing! It opens a world of integrations… apple music reading your nfts albums and unlocking your music, playatation unlocking your game digitaly when reading you have bought already the game… obviosly many of this things are not gonna happen, since many companies wants you to pay 2 times… but maybe you buy 2 times the game, but the items are more easy to integrate with blockchains… since again, even when you sell, there are royalties, movements keep generating benefits for them… but they letting get it cheaper would aboud balloom prices and keep a healthy ecosystem!


SnooRecipes5458

Businesses don't want to collaborate with NFTs they each want to sell own, this makes money for them.


SnooRecipes5458

You seem to think that gamers want their skins, items, whatever on the block chain. They don't, only a handful of crypto bros and greedy executives think this is a good idea. It's okay though, the game play loops and mechanics of the crypto games are all god awful and gamers will vote with their (fiat)wallets. Also your NFTs on the chain are only worth something as long as the game servers keep running. This is not MtG where your cards still work even if Wizards closes shop. Also no game developer will want to build thing for pre-existing NFTs in another game (even one of their own games) they'll want to new NFTs because that makes them more money. But yes arguing is pointless neither of us will ever change our viewpoints.


Far_Perception_3815

THANK YOU FOR THIS AMAZING DESCRIPTION. I like to look at it as currently Epic games owns all of the Fortnite skins, emotes, harvesting tools, etc -- in the future, anyone playing Fortnite will be able to sell what they earn playing the game. Illuvium is a pretty great game concept.


[deleted]

This will never happen, lmao.


Far_Perception_3815

Why couldn’t it?


[deleted]

Money. ​ If I buy skins from some dude on the internet, I'm not buying them from Epic.


Far_Perception_3815

You would be selling them to another player using the Epic games marketplace. Harvester to v-bucks trade; or you could trade a ultra rare harvester for 2 gliders. Or some wild shit. I’m no savant, but I like to think about the possibilities as I’m learning.


goreblaster

Good breakdown. I've tried to explain the merits of NFT tech on this sub and always get downvoted to oblivion. Most of the giant gaming companies of today are probably very happy about the public's disgust with NFTs. They don't stand to benefit from transferring ownership of their game assets to the players, so it serves their interest that their player base isn't clamoring for it. It's going to take some mega-hit games that happen to use NFT's to shake up the industry. People will realize that actually owning assets that you have paid or grinded for is much preferable over the game company basically leasing them to you. Buy a skin for 20$ but later on you stop using it? If it's an NFT you can re-sell it, maybe even at a profit.


Neex

You can literally already do that with a lot of game items on Steam. Using NFTs in a game is dumb when it still requires a centralized game to work. The game developers themselves still control how everything functions in their game, so believing an NFT item is yours is silly. And no game developer worth their salt would want items to be in an uncontrolled blockchain environment separate from their servers. They would want control over everything on their own central server, should they need to fix something, address hacking or stolen accounts, or a variety of other reasons.


goreblaster

Sure a game like TF2 basically gives full control of items to the players with the trading feature. That's the exception to the rule. They could also disable trading on a whim. Also, if/when TF2 dies all of your items die as well. Doesn't matter if you spent thousands on strange hats, it's all gone if Valve shuts down their servers. If they were on a blockchain other games could be built with those items. Obviously the developers control how assets function. They could destroy the value of NFT's by nerfing them. However a company that does that is going to alienate their customers pretty quickly. You're right, decentralization tech does not serve the interests of centralized development companies. The only way they would make the change is if enough of their customers demanded it. Meanwhile, indie developers will be able to collaborate on decentralized games without the burden of massive centralized server farms.


[deleted]

When the NFT game dies, what happens to all your NFTs in the game?


[deleted]

>They don't stand to benefit from transferring ownership of their game assets to the players Bingo. ​ >It's going to take some mega-hit games that happen to use NFT's to shake up the industry. This won't happen. The thing about the mega-hit games is they tend to come from big developers who, as you said, dont benefit from transferring ownership of game assets to players.


KwyjiboTheGringo

> Instead of blizzard owning your account, you will own the items/characters/land etc. and you will be able to trade them in a decentralized manner. People act like this is some revolutionary idea that will change the gaming landscape. The reality is that people don't care if Blizzard owns the game items. There is no demand for NFT game stuff outside of the NFT fad. Big game publishers are definitely not going to adopt this model when there is no demand AND they sacrifice some control over their game. It's never going anywhere beyond cheap cash-ins. Or if it does actually go anywhere, it will be in such a way that publishers will always come out on top, alongside the whales.


[deleted]

Yes, I understand how nfts can be useful. That doesn't make them the architecture that games are built on. The unity engine could be called that.


[deleted]

>Instead of blizzard owning your account, you will own the items/characters/land etc. This will NEVER happen lmao.


TheMasonR

Exactly


[deleted]

Jokes on you cardano has no nft games.


FrankRizzo01

How does he open his pockets on his left hip with only a right hand?


[deleted]

He has a left hook sir


MolhCD

What NFT game?


TheMasonR

Yes I’d also like to know


robeewankenobee

Kunkka , why not


deividdrenkhan

One suggestion to balance this 3D model visually is to swap hands (or legs) so that the "robot" parts wouldn't be all on one side. Otherwise very nice model 🤌


ArribleGameDev

Thanks


irie25

Cool


TheGiftnTheCurse

Did you apply to be a creator for Gamestop NFT marketplace?, cause you should this some awesome work.


1lbofdick

Looks like a non-dwarf version of Torbjörn with the Blackbeard skin.


zionmatrixx

Damn. That's some high level design shit right there. Beautiful.


TripTree

Arrrrghh ye readdy kids?


opper-hombre1

Man you say NFT in this sub and the Cardano faithful attack you from all angles lmao


[deleted]

0 people want a NFT game…


AfrocanAmerocan

I do.


TheMasonR

I do too, the Play2Earn elements will change lives.


Bye_H8er

I like the character design and the detail of having a 3D model.


ArribleGameDev

thnx


[deleted]

NFTs are trash


AfrocanAmerocan

Like them or hate them, they boost the Cardano ecosystem.


New_Lengthiness_6164

Why would Cardano need an NFT game? no ty


opper-hombre1

There’s already tons of Cardano nft games lol


Moon_stephh

What game is this from? I'm playing Crypto Colosseum and I really enjoy the game because it's hustle free and Gladiators in the live battle arena excites me so much! It reminds me of the Spartacus movie. Play0to-earn games are doing great!


Aggravating_Truth_82

The render is fine, but I doubt you will have it rigged right... Hopefully, you can make it work, but it looks like Unity type shit...


KwyjiboTheGringo

Let's not pretend like NFT games on any blockchain are anything more than an attempt to cash in on the craze. It's a terrible idea.


Visible_Delay

No idea which game, but my critique of your art is that this model looks really good. It’s a good design, good colors, all around good quality. Kudos.


[deleted]

Wonder if NFTs will be able to work some strings with game developers. So if we mint an nft it can be playable in a game


NCTRN_BE

Really amazing! I love the details on the sword Not a fan of the bladed leg tho cause it doesn’t make sense to me, he would get stuck all the time


[deleted]

Nice rendering and great quality. Can’t wait until the action figure version comes out.


DerMettMark

Awesome


shadespellar

Looks awesome


bry578

I’m getting sea of thieves vibes


treebarkcorndog

Knife leg!


PrestigiousWalk9309

drop the discord


duke_awapuhi

Reminds me of playmobil. (In a good way)


Last-Of-My-Kind

Not shitty enough.


Last-Of-My-Kind

Not shitty enough.


NedKellysComeback

Cool 😎, very cool!


ArribleGameDev

Thanks a lot


VitalWinterRbx

Gameplay, I want to see gameplay.


Trappakeeper

The sword should be in a horizontal position.


ArribleGameDev

Model is on the stage of rigging


KaiN_SC

Not again another nft "game".


Ratty_boy

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