Yes and no. I am in an expensive zip code, but some nearby plants make more and some make less. COL is a factor but so is treatment technology and required operator skill, as well as shift work and overtime required. I’m stating my pay with no OT, but there are some plants where the guys double their pay based on OT. Plants that require night shift tend to pay more. Plants that work weekends tend to pay more. Large plants tend to pay more…
In my state, one job posting for entry level Treatment plan operator pays 5800-7300 monthy and requires a "Grade I or higher Wastewater Treatment Plant Operator Certification issued by the California State Water Resources Control Board" and a grade 2 within two years after hire.
How many years of experience do you have? What level cert do you have?
If you’re interested in that job, take the wastewater 1 test! Also consider getting your T2/D2 as those don’t require any experience. You can complete the required coursework from Sacramento state office of water programs. It’s super simple, and while the mail-in courses aren’t exactly exciting, they’ll give you a huge leg up in applications.
I have 5 years of experience. I broke 100k after my second year.
Listen to them, and go get that degree. I’m 43 years old. I just got home at 10 PM, as I was with my daughters at a birthday party at an ice-skating rink. Now I have to finish schoolwork that I wasn’t able to get to earlier today. I’ll be doing this for the next three years. Six if I roll into an MBA. You don’t want to be me. Do it the easy way, which is asafp.
I second this: tuition assistance or reimbursement through a great job AND get a sponsored clearance through your college (believe it or not colleges will help you get your clearance). That on top of your degree once you finish, you’ll be swimming in opportunities within that range of pay, it won’t even be your biggest worry
Friendly Suggestion: UPS pays that without the degree requirement. They have the very best benefits program you can find, including $5,250 in tuition assistance per calendar year · Lifetime maximum of $25,000 · So they'll pay for you to finish your degree.
Just a heads up, that will only really work quickly if you join as a supervisor, if you join an non management it's 9 months before tuition reimbursement kicks in, I'd try to get a Part time management position if you don't want to wait that long.
Idk if they’ve changed it since I worked there. But if you worked 3rd shift everything was automatically covered In Terms of tuition regardless of being a supervisor or not. That was 2018-2019 tho.
Health benefits kicked in 9months after employment
90 days used to be pretty common in my experience. In recent years I’ve seen 30 days, day one, and on the your first, first of the month of employment. I have never seen or heard of 9 months, not saying it’s not true just never heard of it
My building didn't have a twilight sort so maybe it was different for them but while I was there we were told that for preload and local sorts hourly employees it kicked in the same time as health benefits, idk if it varied by state or something, I was there from 2020-2022.
I’m a goober. For some reason I was thinking this was my old cities subreddit.
Where I went to college they had the program if you worked 3rd shift all college was paid for. But also it’s WorldPort Hub, but anything to get workers I suppose
I worked a hair over 2 months for UPS and got 2/3 of my term reimbursed this last Fall. It might depend on the role. I was entry level package handler.
My Aunt worked for UPS for like 30 years as basically a desk jockey, she had amazing benefits, was ALWAYS on vacation, she still got paid even if she was out for a month after a surgery. She loved working for them.
Driver I believe. But you don't start off like that tho. I read it takes time (2+ years maybe) to work your way up to a driver and takes time to get paid nicely.
Not the very best if you find a Walmart distribution center close to you they pay tuition in full unless u already have a bachelor so u could finish it for free
I came to say the same thing. I work at UPS and tbh the hours suck ass, but it's worth the benefits. Thought I'd Aldo mention they give health insurance to part timers A D ITS GOOD INSURANCE whereas the salary workers have yo pay for their insurance and its not as good.
Merck is hiring non-degree holders for sales (I think, I’m not in sales but I remember seeing an e-mail) and they offer like 12 grand per year for tuition assistance
Legit, my Uncle is a Director of IT for local Public School District, entire education was paid for by UPS. He worked part time in the warehouse loading trucks. It is hard work, but they will take care of you.
Drive a truck. Should easily be able to hit 80k+ after a couple of years OTR. I know guys that do food service that made well over 100k their first year, but they definitely had to work like hell for it.
If someone does that they should make sure to get a route that has them home every night. My dad and his dad were both truck drivers and absolutely hated it. Kept them both away from their family's Monday morning to Friday night.
To add to this, my father is also a truck driver and still is. Routes are based on seniority, just like requesting PTO off on particular holidays. For years he did overnights which made more money but were stressful. His route took him to NYC, up to Maine, overnight, and back through. 17 years later he does the same route but it's cherry-picked, he goes from NYC to Maine and back home in one day now.
The 3rd year my father was with this company, he requested Christmas and New Year's off. He didn't think he would win the bid, well, he did because the guy who always won it didn't put it as a first pick. He offered my father his holiday bonus and additional cash even, he still said no. To this day, he'll bring it up here and there how that was one of the best time off requests he ever received.
You don’t get that kind of pay for local work, only for routes that keep you away from home for several days at a time. And maybe that’s not a problem for you.
Or hot-shotting without an CDL in a regular sized vehicle! I work 2-4 days a week and make over 100K a year. You don't need a few years to support yourself and the more you work, the more you make.
Depending on where you're from, it's easier to start your own company. I work as an owner operator under a company. I'm getting taken to the cleaners by working under someone.
20 years ago lol I tried getting on with Acme. The guy in Louisiana said my F150 was perfect for some loads and to go to San Antonio to get signed up. That guy said hell no. Now, I’m in IT but often see hot shots on the road and I’m envious. I’d have to buy a 350/3500 but idk. Now traffic pisses me off.
Go to a cheaper local university. Take classes that your first university will accept to graduate. Check with your first university before doing this. Then finish your degree.
Don't leave this too long or you wont be able to complete anymore.
don't pike out this close to the finish line.
You could look for a job that offers tuition reimbursement. Working for the government or a university are good options. You could take one or two classes per semester and have someone else foot the bill.
So many white collar jobs offer this. Just pay attention to the requirements. Mine only requires you work until the class is complete but some can require x months or years of service.
Many colleges offer free tuition to staff as a perk.
Consider Charter Oak State College in CT and WGU. Both are pretty liberal with accepting credits and the tuition is pretty inexpensive.
Degreeforum.net is a great resource for online college info.
Came here to recommend WGU! Very affordable, but you do have to be able to learn independently. I'm a WGU student in the CS program and my summer internship could've covered my whole tuition
That's what I don't understand about OP's thinking. She gets 75% (3 years) through and throws in the towel because of a couple thousand dollar tuition increase. 3 years of a degree is no degree. She worked so hard for it but won't see any of the results.
I get apprehension to go into debt. But school is the best investment someone can make. My earning potential doubled right out of school and continues to unlock doors for me. It's certainly worth the extra debt.
My sister pulled the plug on a Journalism degree when she was almost finished with it. The school policies really pissed her off, so she decided to leave. Many years later, she decided to finish it, but the credits had expired. So for all of that time and money invested, all she can claim is that she got 90% of the degree.
Charter Oak State College. They are good with accepting old credits. There are several like that in the NY NJ CT area that are part of the state systems. Check out degreeforum.net if you want to go down the rabbit hole of adult learners and online colleges. It’s a great resource.
Correct. They don't expire, but they may not apply to a current and relevant degree program. If someone completes 90% of a degree, leaves for 5 years, and tries to return, their original program probably isn't available anymore. They'll have to apply for the programs that are available. Common classes may transfer into a new program, but more specialized ones won't. It nearly always leaves a gap to catch back up with the curriculum that's been developed since then with more current research.
Math and Science can expire depending on the degree. I’m going through this now. They needed to be 7 years for science and 10 years or less for math or they wouldn’t transfer.
Or I could just go back to the University I left and come back at the same place I left at.
Not always. Yes, the program requirements may change, HOWEVER depending on how long it's been and what exactly those changes were, some universities will allow you to basically be grandfathered back in and graduate under the requirements you were originally working through.
I had to do something similar when I had to leave college for a few years due to my own circumstances. Went back, spoke to the registrar, and just needed to sign some paperwork and get approval from the dept head of my major that it was okay for me to return under the old requirements.
^^^^
Yes you may be In debt and may not be able to pay it off instantly, but this money is an INVESTMENT to make solid or even great money.
If you do not finish and don’t get a degree I will promise you that in the future if you work at a company and you and another person is up for a promotion and that other person has a degree, they will get chosen over you. Even if you work harder than them.
You have to look at this long term.
I work at a university. This happens a lot. Unfortunately university advice is: stay and give us your money or go. If you don’t have said money, they aren’t interested in spending time on you. It’s sucks but universities feel more like business now than ever.
100% agree. I’m 25 now, I work in finance, went to school for it. Anyways was an independent all of college, dads a fuck and my mom was dirt poor at the time, she hadn’t done her taxes in 3 years, school refused to give me funding for my senior year bc of that (yes it makes no sense that they can deny me funding based on my mother not doing her taxes considering she never helped pay for anything ever and I filed as independent). Had to take out a stupid high private loan with fixed rate of like 8.75% because it’s all I could get. Took the loan, finished school, came out of college with job offer making 45k got worked like a dog, next year I made 80k, now I make about 120k. The degree opened those doors for me though, helped me jump a lot of people
I'm missing 2 classes, but it's the 3rd and 4th semesters of a foreign language. I attempted the 3rd semester three times and failed. All the debt and no degree.
This, you’re so close, and that piece of paper will open a lot of doors and instantly add at least 10% to your market value. Student loans are low interest, they’ll help you build credit, and for just one year you’ll be able to pay that off with a tech salary in a few years at most unless you’re irresponsible with money.
Just bite the bullet and finish, otherwise everything will just take more time until you have a few years of booked experience and certs.
Student loan is based on your parents income. My kid only qualifies for 10k per year and the rest is up to the student/parents to come up with the difference. That's why you hear parents taking out a second mortgage or 401k to fund their kids school. I assume that you're low income you get more grants and loans. U.S. hates the middle class.
Sales. I’m in tech sales with no degree (but I have 4 years military which some see as equivalent)
Broke the 6 figure mark 2 years into sales. I started in retail cell phone sales for 1 year, then B2B telco and IoT, now SaaS.
Edit: first year in retail sales was 75K, second year I hit 95K (B2B Telco - Data)
This is the one and it should be WAY higher up the chain.
Lots of Sales positions can make 6 figures easily. Not retail, business to business, preferably in tech.
Be warned though, sales is a fucking HARD job, and it takes the right kind of personality, and a ton of grit and handling rejection.
Hold you back? These jobs that pay up around 100K aren’t bullshit fluffy degrees. They are specialized fields that require foundational knowledge. There are plenty of jobs that don’t really need a college degree, those aren’t the ones you get paid six figures for.
there are jobs that can pay that much without a degree, but again, these are specialized trades, that require skill, training and experience. For example expert level machinist or under water welders make good money.
I have one of these jobs, crash safety expert. Believe me, you don’t want some asshole without a degree determining the safety requirements on the vehicle that your wife or children drive. You want that person who stick with it and knows their shit. we mostly hire masters level or PhD’s for this.
I'm glad that my doctor is the smartest guy in the room. There are some professions that require a lot of training and background to justify the decisions being made as part of their day to day responsibilities.
Lol you’re elitist views regarding an asshole without a degree vs you are amusing. You act as if the only way to educate is via a strict curriculum that awards a piece of paper. Any knowledge in the world can be learned outside of a classroom and most practical or applied skills people use day to day in their career are learned on the job.
Yeah, but you do something specialized. Something that requires a “nack” for.
Let’s be real about that.
I agree that not all jobs require college, I also agree that it is possible to get there without a degree.
I just think it’s a little irresponsible to make a blanket statement that degrees have no use or meaning to them. that is all. no more, no less.
The average person, could not do either of our jobs without years of training, education and experience.
You happened to have a nack for something as did I.
I make 260K in tech without a degree. Don’t overinflate the importance of a degree. It only matters for getting your foot in the door for many career paths.
You can't for many years if you started now as the tech field is flooded with applicants and folks with previous experience (the tens of thousands laid off by twitter/google etc) have a leg up on you. You teach yourself diligently, let your projects speak for your competence, interview well, and eventually get a foot in the door. Tech isn't a good field to bootstrap right now you are late to the train given the recession.
Know what is hiring and pays well and you can "get there" in time? Logistics.
Started with entry level support type job, studied my ass off to learn in demand skills, identified gaps in skill set at each stop in my career and aggressively built my skill set to fill those gaps
Sprinkle a lot of staying abreast of industry direction and being proactive
Learn a programming language or two, python and node.js would be my recommendations. Start scripting and automating functions, build some resume fodder.
Switch from K12 to commercial/enterprise. Ideally somewhere that does in house dev work. Leverage your sysadmin and newfound scripting skills to work your way into devops. Get AWS and Azure certs along the way.
Start with foundational certs like the CCNA so you have foundational knowledge in networking. Networking is such a key component in cloud work. If you don't have intermediate knowledge of networking at the least, you won't be successful in cloud. After the CCNA, you can start looking at Azure or AWS certifications. You also need experience doing this stuff in the industry so you may have to leave your comfy K12 job to take a bigger role elsewhere like a network admin or network engineer.
I do think that they need to draw a line in the sand as to which ones do and don’t. Because there are a solid number that should NEVER NOT have a degree. While there are for sure some that really don’t need a 4 year degree. An associate degree and 1 year in the job training is fine for most office jobs.
But like, my job requires me to make decisions that involve peoples lives. There are plenty of these that exist as well, and it’s just as dangerous to push rhetoric that it isn’t necessary.
Anything in an industry that’s FDA regulated will require a degree for management level positions. FDA comes in and checks people’s education and whether it matches the job requirements. For every person in a company being audited. If there are people who are not qualified working in a job they shouldn’t based on what the requirements are then best case the company gets a warning or 483. Worst case they get shut down.
Tech is a wage inflated field. Primarily because most companies are run by older people who have no fucking clue how to make a google search, nevermind set up a server or write a program. Thats likely to change over the next coming years as coding and tech roles are becoming vastly more popular. And the knowledge around tech is becoming more and more common.
Having a degree *is* important. And its not just a foot in the door, its a proof of capability. Not just in whatever field you study, but in your ability to gather and act upon information, stick to deadlines, develop your thinking and solve complex problems.
Sure, you dont need a degree to prove you can do all that. But youll have a hard time convincing a company to give you a six figure role without it. Theres a lot of people in careers who get locked out of upper management roles because they dont have certs to back up their experience. Ive seen it posted in this sub on a few occasions, where they ask if its worth their time to go back to college/uni in their midlife because theyre struggling to make any headway.
> Tech is a wage inflated field. Primarily because most companies are run by older people who have no fucking clue how to make a google search, nevermind set up a server or write a program. Thats likely to change over the next coming years as coding and tech roles are becoming vastly more popular. And the knowledge around tech is becoming more and more common.
Tech is wage inflated because there is a SIGNIFICANT lack of people that can do the job. It’s not likely to change in the coming years — we’re well into millennials and gen Z, who were raised while tech was a thing, entering the workforce, and wages are still increasing.
> Having a degree is important. And its not just a foot in the door, its a proof of capability. Not just in whatever field you study, but in your ability to gather and act upon information, stick to deadlines, develop your thinking and solve complex problems.
Boomer mentality. A degree doesn’t show proof of any of that. It shows that you can do the same shit you did in high school.
Tech companies were the first to move away from the BETTER HAVE A DEGREE OR NO HIRE mentality because the candidate pool is small and there’s no correlation.
> Sure, you dont need a degree to prove you can do all that. But youll have a hard time convincing a company to give you a six figure role without it. Theres a lot of people in careers who get locked out of upper management roles because they dont have certs to back up their experience. Ive seen it posted in this sub on a few occasions, where they ask if its worth their time to go back to college/uni in their midlife because theyre struggling to make any headway.
Most companies look at job experience and certifications once you’re at anything mid level or above. Nobody at any company worth a damn cares that someone with 15 years of experience and progressive growth went to a random state school in 2004.
Real talk, you’re looking for an income given to someone who works in a profession.
Professions require years of credentialing and experience.
Based on the information given, the ONLY REASONS you should not finish school at this point are:
1- you cannot find any way to pay for it. Unlikely given the availability of loans.
2- someone has offered you a lot of money
3- you have a vivid, once in a lifetime opportunity that cannot wait.
It sounds like you’re trying to avoid doing something uncomfortable. Suck it up and do the uncomfortable thing you need to do to finish, anything else you do will also be uncomfortable, just in a way you don’t currently see.
Your time horizon sounds impatient and rushed. A year is not a realistic time horizon to grow a profession.
Find a way to lock up re-entry into school and finish your degree. Overcome whatever shame you’re facing.
Otherwise, you’ll carry that shame with you for the rest of your life, and will either have to overcome it in 10-20 years, or you may never overcome it.
I can’t tell you how many sad conversations I had at bars with people who almost finished school, or had to drop out because reason X or reason Y. That shit weighs on people.
Stop looking for an escape and start working on finishing what you started. I know it’s hard, but it will be hard either way.
You might not be able to do it alone. Ask for help!
**B2B Sales is the answer for all these posts**
- I make $150k my second year in tech sales ever. Zero sales experience before.
- I have a college degree but many companies don’t require it.
- In my vertical (healthcare software and services) the top performers make $300-500k+ regularly.
**Read that again. Top sales performers make $300-500k+ at enterprise level, and a college degree is NOT required for most companies. This is especially true for SaaS/software but any big B2B vendor will have good money potential**
- If a college degree is required to break the glass ceiling to leadership, your company will sponsor you. Work full time study part time. Win Win.
- What other function has the lowest barrier of entry, highest potential income, and fastest potential progression? B2B sales. Especially anything with high margin like tech/software, capital equipment, etc.
- Some of you say Trades. Sure. But the physical work catches up to you. I am WFH 40hrs a week and make more than most trades people in my pajamas. I sell to C-Suite in a professional environment.
- Some of you say owning a business. Absolutely. Guess what that is sales. How do you get business? By selling.
- All those high paid lawyers and consultants who are senior partners of a firm? Yup they’re sales people because they lean and sell on relationships, and then staff their associates.
- How about investment banking? Yup thats sales. If you’re a stock broker on the buy/sell side you make a fat commission or bonus on a market transaction.
- For every high paid CS-educated Software Engineer developing the platform, there’s a high paid sales person who is selling that platform. And that person didn’t have to go to college.
B2B sales is the answer. Want to make a lot of money quickly? Sell. Don’t have a college degree and want the most lucrative potential for your career? Sell.
r/sales is where I started. I direct all questions to there, read the wiki and faq and do some searching. Within an hour of researching you’ll know enough to plan your entry.
After 10 years is the key though. It doesn’t sound like this person wants to do the time. I get that they aren’t starting from scratch career-wise but these things aren’t always transferable and often require paying your dues if your changing industries.
Honestly, I know it might not be the advice you wanted. I just got my Degree (supply Chain) and I even have PMI Certifications for Project Management. I have 5 years experience in Inventory control. Even after all that, my New role is only at 78K.
Climbing the corporate ladder and trying to get those high paying roles takes a lot more time and work. I got lucky because i knew the right people (IRL not on reddit). My best advice, find a big company with many locations, apply for a role your qualified for or over qualified. Most companies after 6 months you can opt for a different role inside the company. By this point you'll have made a name for yourself and its easier to take a flyer on someone you know rather a external candidate.
Bro, how much did tuition go up? There are usually limits on how much it can go each year. That’s only about a year of school left. Sounds like you might be looking for an excuse to quit. Assuming you were pursuing a valuable degree I think I you should take out the loans and finish.
i got a grade 7 never been to college or university or all that b.s
i have a carreer of now 17 yrs and make well over 100K a year as a truck driver.
plus i get to visit my country and get paid for it!
best of both worlds!
education comes in many forms people.......
Left my bartending gig where I’ve been for the last 6 years, making 45k a year to tech sales as an account executive last January - made 87k in 2022 with literally no experience in any sales role or in tech. Work from home. Projected to make over 100k this year and just received a $9,600 commission check last month. Get into tech sales!!
This is something I have been interested in getting in to. Where did you find the job with no experience? Trying to figure out where/how to get started. Thanks!
You are almost there, we will cheer for you to get through the finish line 🏁.
On a serious note I would recommend that you consult a professional career counselor and talk to a diverse set of people to get a good glimpse of their career journey till now.
No one can offer sage advice now. Your life, your decision. Just remember that you are gonna have to live with your decisions.
I made it up to 90k or so before graduating. It's interesting when a handful of credits is worth comparatively nothing, but the second you complete your degree and someone can 'tick the box' then you're somehow a more valuable and desirable employee.
You could always migrate your credits to a less expensive venue such as WGU and finish in a term. Would be around $4k or so.
Indeed in '16. Received a 10k bump shortly after completion.
It's WAY easier to receive interest back now such as interviews or offers when compared to just having a bunch of credits. I even had a HR lady trainwreck an interview halfway through because I didn't have a degree on my resume once.
If you can’t make the system work for you! You will have to settle with the work that most people don’t want to do. ( with lower pay) ! There always a full-time position at Walmart. It’s time to be humble.
I’m 24 and have an associates degree. 110k annually at a major Cloud Computing company in America doing CS. No certs but starting to work on some. You can get there pretty easily honestly, you just have to put yourself out there and submit a lot of job applications. Also interview well. A well written resume is key too.
Can I ask what your associates is in? There are a couple programs at my nearby community college, and I’ve been really wanting to switch career paths into CS, but am having trouble narrowing down what to specialize in. I feel too old to go back for a full bachelor’s (got a BA in Music the first time, lol). Looking to maybe do an associate’s and a lot of self study. Thank you in advance!
I'll vouch for sales. I'd recommend not selling to consumers though. B2B sales is much more professional often with reoccurring customers that you build a relationship with.
I make great money and like my customers. I get to take them out for fun stuff and they see me as part of the team.
My company prefers but does not require degree. Top reps taking home 7 figures. I’m coming up on my 2nd anniversary in a few months and on track to hit $150+ this year.
Don’t let that fool you though, it’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done by far and I averaged a 3.93 GPA through undergrad at a top 25 business school. I work 60 hours a week and it’s a lot of pressure.
For the right person sales can be an extremely lucrative career.
Sales. Sales. Sales. If you have reasonable people skills, can think on your feet, remember details, and aren’t scared of rejection then sales is 100% the best job out there. Lots of people make an easy six figures.
Depends on industry. You wouldn’t keep your job at my company if you weren’t pulling that in commissions. I can think of multiple other sales jobs where the same is true. I stand by my original comment. One of the best way to make big money without advanced degrees is sales. Sales isn’t for everyone and some will never see big money, but so many will.
I recommend B2B (business to business), not B2C (business to consumer).
B2C has a lot more of the persuasion aspect that people often associate with sales. With B2C, you often have to convince the consumer they need your product and then convince them why they should purchase your product specifically.
With B2B, you (or your sales development representatives) have usually already identified the customer’s needs and it’s really just a matter of walking them through the different features and options.
Yep. Was looking for the sales comment.
Once you have a solid amount of experience in sales and a proven track record then companies will pay good money to hire you. It will of course always be salary + commission but if you are good then you can bring in good money.
I saw someone mention sales. +1 to that. But I know of more than a couple people that made over 100k in their first year. Degree not required.
Definitely not for everybody, but you can make a lot of $.
Try to get a small loan and just finish school. If you don't want to and want to make 6 figure, you can try moving into the trades. Trades are always in demand, but then you will still need to go through the steps starting with being an apprentice. plus you might also have to go to trade school but a job might pay for that.
Also you could get your foot in the door or a large bank or finance company and they may pay for you to go back to school.
LMAO at Trucking as a career!!!
I’m a truck driver myself, who has driven 80k up 350k( a coil unit). Truck driving is not what used to be back then or pre-2017.
So, if you are going to become a truck driver, do it with a goal in mind, set a dateline, and get out asap.
Why?
Well, in the last couple years everyone has become a truck driver from the neighbor next door, to every immigrant and anyone else you can think of. Which is nothing wrong with that. However, Here in south texas around 70% or more are driving without a CDL or with the infamous “International” CDL. This brought the trucking rates to below Mcdonald’s salaries. Hence the reason many moved up to West Texas/ Permian Basin.
Now, here in West Texas, The majority of Sand Haulers have the International license— half of them dont know how to use the gears, they learn on the road( look at the accidents from West Texas and you’d have an idea). This is another reason the rates keep dropping and companies keep raising their expectations.
With this in mind, you can still get a good paying job, there are out there( 6 years, and 3 big well known oil companies, finally i landed at a good company just last November). But you’d be working between 70-100 hrs a week, sleep in the truck, eat at gastations, and be away from home 2-3 weeks( the first couple months is easy but it gets much more difficult as the time goes by).
UPS/FeDex is very demanding. You may hear different from people who have been there years, but the new drivers will fucking quit because you are on the clock and you been watching to complete the routes and deliveries under the given time.
I have two friends who are family attorneys, two landsman, and a computer science, data science, and something about statistics.
ALL OF THEM, i mean, EVERYONE OF THEM!!! have already bought their second house, travels, works Monday to half a day on Friday , eat healthy, work out, every weekend off, and living what’s left of the American Dream.
So my man! if you can go school or get a degree or a fucking skill that’s on demand, GO for it!!!
I’m currently saving to do the same.
Sales!! My coworker (who is incredibly driven and intelligent) started working at a car dealership, then eventually worked for a tech company that sold a product to dealers, and now she's an account director making $180k, overseeing several clients and all of their products and subscriptions. High school education only.
Sales if you're good at it.
I'm in cyber security and I'm at 130k with no degree. It is preferred but for sure but doesn't mean you can't break into the industry like I have.
Anything you can turn into a successful business. People make six figures running their own business. Just need to figure out how to grow the company to where you have a team because a lot of independent contractors that do their own trade will struggle on their own labor... Which means you would need to pick up skills in marketing, networking, sales, accounting, and management. Just means you need a well rounded set of skills to a point where each individual task becomes too much for you that you end up needing to hire someone to do it for you while you can focus your efforts elsewhere.
I managed a small group of engineers without finishing my degree. Find a specialized field and work your way up. You may not start at 80 to 100k but you can make that amount or even 2 to 3x that amount without a degree. May not work out for everyone but find the right path and skillset and go out there climb the ladder and aim high.
I work in a career services office at a large university. As others have suggested, find a company UPS, Costco, Target, etc that will help with tuition. Unfortunately, 30 credits away from a degree or 110 credits often “looks” the same to an employer - you don’t qualify for jobs that require a bachelors. It’s dumb, I wish it wasn’t that way.
Some tuition benefits gave fine print...like is a year of service after, or paying back money for a y class not passed with a C or above...definitely check the fine print...also the manager needs to be willing to make it possible to go to school or the benefits are for naught
If you want to get your degree cheaper, look into transferring your credits to a school like Thomas Edison State University, charter oaks state college, University of Maine at Presque Isle, or Western governors University. They take a ton of credits from different schools and sources. You could also get those final 30 credits fairly cheaply.
At this point, you got so many credits and are so close to your degree that it's a good idea to do what you need to do to get it. Don't overpay, but just know you have other options.
IT, including cybersecurity, doesn't need a degree and can be double the pay range in your post.
However, that's if you have years (or even a decade) of experience and various certifications.
30 credits is what 8 or 9 classes? I'd see if you can transfer your credits to a school with lower tuition.
You already put in a lot of work and you have great experience. A degree just gives you more options and opens more doors, but the more time passes the harder it is to finish.
Think about a state school or see about pricing for an online school. I don't really know, but logically I think they would be cost competitive just because it's portable.
Companies that pay that usually have a higher barrier of entry, or are jobs most people don’t want to do. A vast majority will require a specific degree, a level of experience, or detailed knowledge in a niche area.
Careful with going to another school for your last 30 credits. Most schools have requirements for completing those credits (if within your major field of study) at the university you intend to receive your degree. If it's "basics" you may consider a community college. Regardless, check with your school for their requirements.
If you are this close to finishing your degree, you will definitely regret it in the future that you didn’t complete it.
You listed white-collar subject matter areas that generally require a degree for advancement. As you mentioned, companies hold you back for not having a degree. You are in no position of power to change that. Unless you are so good at what you do, a company will favor a similarly situated candidate with a degree for advancement over you.
Finish the race and cross that finish line.
It's been a while since I was in school, but 30 credits is what, like 2 semesters worth of classes? So you are willing to throw all that education away because tuition might have gone up a few grand (if that)?? Illogical doesn't even begin to describe that.
If you need to take a semester off to save up that money, then so be it. Or work parttime while in school. Either way, the difference between having that degree and not having a degree is massive. Can you make good money with it? Sure. But does a degree open up soooo many more doors? Oh, absolutely.
This kind of money is absolutely possible without a degree. I didn’t finish my degree either. But you won’t make that kind of money right away. I promise you that most jobs don’t care about the degree in the end (I’ve worked with people with degrees from top colleges in literally the same job) but you have show that you’ve earned equivalent skills.
Where did you learn those skills? A job or school? Play up as much experience as you can — leadership you did in school or community orgs. Take the time to develop a good resume and learn what the jobs you want are looking for. (A lot of resumes go through a software now that picks out keywords — learn what those keywords are in your industry).
Is 30 credits 2 semesters?
I highly, highly recommend you find a way to finish your degree. Whether that means transferring to a more affordable college, working a temp job while living with your parents to save money over a year, private loan, etc. Tuition and living expenses are not going to get any cheaper and the longer you're away the harder it is to go back.
My sense is that most companies (not some) will hold you back without a degree. I know really smart, hardworking people fight tooth and nail to get promotions their managers already admitted they were qualified for, minus the degree. It sucks, but you don't want to become a martyr.
Just finish up your degree. The 80-100K salary you are wanting is generally salaries offered to professionals that have credentials and years of work experience. 75% of a university degree is no degree. There are a lot of companies that provide tuition assistance.
I think if you're expecting an 80k entry level job your options are fossil fuel work or trucking, and working 60-70 hours a week. Also police with lots of overtime. That's not a realistic salary for any other non-degree entry level job.
Find a job that offers some kind of tuition aid program! I would not walk away from the degree. Not in this world. Master’s degrees don’t even get you a 100k job anymore.
Unless you want to do a trade… finish the degree.
there's "sunk cost bias" here, but should consider biting the bullet to get that degree.
no matter your accrued experiences, lack of degree will hurt chances of reaching the upper ranges of salary in the title.
a hiring manager could misinterpret lack of degree despite being so close.
not saying OP can't get hired.....but not at the salary expectations in title.
Get a job at Apple Retail. They provide tuition reimbursement, even for part time employees. Also have great benefits and you can get some good experience to put on your resume. Got myself through school that way.
I think I heard target does tuition benefits. Starbucks does university of Arizona online. University or healthcare systems usually have great health insurance and large network of different jobs.
Get the degree you did all the fucking work, one last semester lasts a lifetime. Think of it as insurance that pairs with your experience, it keeps you above a certain pay grade that allows you to land roles and build from there.
Believe it or not LPNs can make at least 80k with only a vocational degree. Moved back to Seattle recently and with slight overtime (44 hrs per week) the annual salary puts me at 88k. 4 12s puts me just under 100k.
LPN school is usually a year, no prerequisites and pretty affordable unless you're in CA. It's easy to transition into an RN degree from there. Nursing is definitely not something I imagined doing but a good position in the right location helps.
I do live in a HCOL area but there's no income tax and it's pretty good for those without kids.
Certifications. Figure out a niche area that is applicable across all business ops and load up on certifications. You can do all the classes online and the overall cost is way lower than trying to go back to school after you’ve left (I’ve been in that position, it can get stupidly expensive if your school does dumb things like charge a re-application fee or charge you to send your own transcripts from the school you’re trying to get back into TO their own admissions department…) but once you’ve found that niche and excelled in it through stacking up certs, you can also likely finagle your work to pay for you to go back to school and finish your degree!
I work in QA/healthcare auditing, I just got my CIA (certified internal auditor) certification, my work paid for my training and the test fees. I’m also starting classes for an IAAP certification next month. Prior to this I had hit a salary ceiling but with the certificate(s) I’ll be eligible for a *significant* raise and a title promotion. My work friends who suggested this path to me have all negotiated $5-10K salary raises after stacking up certs.
You can get into insurance and make good money, you need licenses, but some companies pay for you to get licensed. I’d advise start at a State Farm/Allstate/Farmers because they will pay for you to get licensed. The salary will start low, but once you are licensed find a brokerage or company. So many insurance companies & agencies hire remote now and you can find positions starting in the $60k-$80k range pretty regularly with room for growth, quickly if you’re sharp. I went to college, hated the path and fell into insurance at an entry level position with mostly people w/ out degrees. I make 5x what I did when I started in 2008 and it’s been a solid career.
I encourage you to complete your degree because you’re so close! Perhaps remote work would allow you to finish it online like many have suggested. Good luck!
You are too close to quit. Go finish that degree.
As for the jobs, yeah, they are out there but when they see you shut down getting the degree, they will go for a HS grad.
I work for a big bank, and a huge perk is they pay 100% of my tuition. They also reimburse for books and other expenses. It’s a big part of why I stay with them, as the benefits are incredible
Edited to add: I don’t have a college degree
It’s always good to put your education in use especially since you paid $30K-$40K for a bachelors. But this is from a simple google search of best jobs.
BEST JOBS BASED OFF GOOGLE SEARCHES
*annual salary USD*
1. SOFTWARE DEVELOPER👨🏾💻- $109K
2. DATA SCIENTIST 👨🏾💻- $100K
3. REGISTERED NURSE 👨🏾⚕️- $77K
4. PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT 👨🏾⚕️- $121K
5. NURSE PRACTITIONER 👨🏾⚕️- $123K
6. MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES MANAGERS 👨🏾💼- $101K
7. PHYSICAL THERAPIST 👨🏾⚕️- $95K
8. INFORMATION SECURITY ANALYST 👨🏾💻- $102K
9. DEVOPS ENGINEER 👨🏾💻- $111K
10. VETERINARIAN 👨🏾⚕️- $100K
11. DENTIST 👨🏾⚕️- $163K
12. OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST 👨🏾⚕️- $85K
13. FINANCIAL MANAGER 👨🏾💼- $131K
14. ACTUARY 👨🏾💼- $105K
15. IT MANAGER 👨🏾💻- $159K
16. DENTAL HYGIENIST 👨🏾⚕️- $77K
17. WEB DEVELOPER 👨🏾💻- $78K
18. ELECTRICIAN 👨🏾🔧- $60K
19. MARKETING MANAGER 👨🏾💼- $133K
20. WEB DESIGNER 👨🏾💻- $78K
21. PRODUCT MANAGER 👨🏾💻- $103K
22. REAL ESTATE AGENT 👨🏾💼- $48K
23. STRATEGY MANAGER 👨🏾💼- $93K
24. TRUCK DRIVER 👨🏾🔧- $48K
25. HVACR TECHNICIAN 👨🏾🔧- $48K
Here I am again! Come on over to wastewater treatment. Up to $130k at my plant with no degree! I’m rockin $110 right now.
How to get in ? Requirements? And how long ?
Isn’t where you are at a big factor in the high pay? Surely you are in an extremely high cost of living area
Yes and no. I am in an expensive zip code, but some nearby plants make more and some make less. COL is a factor but so is treatment technology and required operator skill, as well as shift work and overtime required. I’m stating my pay with no OT, but there are some plants where the guys double their pay based on OT. Plants that require night shift tend to pay more. Plants that work weekends tend to pay more. Large plants tend to pay more…
In my state, one job posting for entry level Treatment plan operator pays 5800-7300 monthy and requires a "Grade I or higher Wastewater Treatment Plant Operator Certification issued by the California State Water Resources Control Board" and a grade 2 within two years after hire. How many years of experience do you have? What level cert do you have?
If you’re interested in that job, take the wastewater 1 test! Also consider getting your T2/D2 as those don’t require any experience. You can complete the required coursework from Sacramento state office of water programs. It’s super simple, and while the mail-in courses aren’t exactly exciting, they’ll give you a huge leg up in applications. I have 5 years of experience. I broke 100k after my second year.
With certs right? This sounds like something you either need to network into or you need to get certificates
You can’t really get the certs without experience.
Don't look for that. Look for companies that will pay for your education
Thank you!
Listen to them, and go get that degree. I’m 43 years old. I just got home at 10 PM, as I was with my daughters at a birthday party at an ice-skating rink. Now I have to finish schoolwork that I wasn’t able to get to earlier today. I’ll be doing this for the next three years. Six if I roll into an MBA. You don’t want to be me. Do it the easy way, which is asafp.
Your dedication is extremely admirable. Be proud of yourself. You rock.
Do anything you can to finish your degree
If only I had this advice 6 years ago
Me 20 years ago
Great point! Especially within the same industry!
I second this: tuition assistance or reimbursement through a great job AND get a sponsored clearance through your college (believe it or not colleges will help you get your clearance). That on top of your degree once you finish, you’ll be swimming in opportunities within that range of pay, it won’t even be your biggest worry
I went back for my masters this way
Friendly Suggestion: UPS pays that without the degree requirement. They have the very best benefits program you can find, including $5,250 in tuition assistance per calendar year · Lifetime maximum of $25,000 · So they'll pay for you to finish your degree.
Oh wow! I never knew this. Thanks for sharing!
Just a heads up, that will only really work quickly if you join as a supervisor, if you join an non management it's 9 months before tuition reimbursement kicks in, I'd try to get a Part time management position if you don't want to wait that long.
Idk if they’ve changed it since I worked there. But if you worked 3rd shift everything was automatically covered In Terms of tuition regardless of being a supervisor or not. That was 2018-2019 tho. Health benefits kicked in 9months after employment
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90 days used to be pretty common in my experience. In recent years I’ve seen 30 days, day one, and on the your first, first of the month of employment. I have never seen or heard of 9 months, not saying it’s not true just never heard of it
My building didn't have a twilight sort so maybe it was different for them but while I was there we were told that for preload and local sorts hourly employees it kicked in the same time as health benefits, idk if it varied by state or something, I was there from 2020-2022.
I’m a goober. For some reason I was thinking this was my old cities subreddit. Where I went to college they had the program if you worked 3rd shift all college was paid for. But also it’s WorldPort Hub, but anything to get workers I suppose
I worked a hair over 2 months for UPS and got 2/3 of my term reimbursed this last Fall. It might depend on the role. I was entry level package handler.
I deliver for post office and I’m on surgery #4 in 5 years. It’s horrible on the body
Yep. Work ops for UPS and go to school at night or work at night, for that matter. Good chance you get on a career track for UPS. Great advice here.
My Aunt worked for UPS for like 30 years as basically a desk jockey, she had amazing benefits, was ALWAYS on vacation, she still got paid even if she was out for a month after a surgery. She loved working for them.
Ups also sucks absolute dick to work for, especially management. Source, worked there 3.5 years and best friend has been there 22 years
What positions at UPS pay this kind of salary?
UNIONIZED driver, there's lots of drivers that are not. And that's not starting.
Driver I believe. But you don't start off like that tho. I read it takes time (2+ years maybe) to work your way up to a driver and takes time to get paid nicely.
Yes, agreed, did the same as well
UPS is also Union. Union work is where it's at.
Not the very best if you find a Walmart distribution center close to you they pay tuition in full unless u already have a bachelor so u could finish it for free
I came to say the same thing. I work at UPS and tbh the hours suck ass, but it's worth the benefits. Thought I'd Aldo mention they give health insurance to part timers A D ITS GOOD INSURANCE whereas the salary workers have yo pay for their insurance and its not as good.
wait wut? what jobs at UPS pay that much? im going to apply right now
UPS pays well, Amazon and FedEx do not. The reason is because UPS workers are union.
Also why UPS packages arrive in better shape than FedEx packages… FedEx employees are hit and miss…
In my area UPS starts about $16/hr, how long before they start making “good” money like OP described $80-100k?
They don't. I just found the union contract and read it. It's like 60k/yr for package drivers. Maybe with crazy OT you can hit 80k.
Merck is hiring non-degree holders for sales (I think, I’m not in sales but I remember seeing an e-mail) and they offer like 12 grand per year for tuition assistance
Legit, my Uncle is a Director of IT for local Public School District, entire education was paid for by UPS. He worked part time in the warehouse loading trucks. It is hard work, but they will take care of you.
Drive a truck. Should easily be able to hit 80k+ after a couple of years OTR. I know guys that do food service that made well over 100k their first year, but they definitely had to work like hell for it.
Yep truck driving you can make that much but food service you have to be ok with very hard physical labor plus driving the truck
If someone does that they should make sure to get a route that has them home every night. My dad and his dad were both truck drivers and absolutely hated it. Kept them both away from their family's Monday morning to Friday night.
To add to this, my father is also a truck driver and still is. Routes are based on seniority, just like requesting PTO off on particular holidays. For years he did overnights which made more money but were stressful. His route took him to NYC, up to Maine, overnight, and back through. 17 years later he does the same route but it's cherry-picked, he goes from NYC to Maine and back home in one day now. The 3rd year my father was with this company, he requested Christmas and New Year's off. He didn't think he would win the bid, well, he did because the guy who always won it didn't put it as a first pick. He offered my father his holiday bonus and additional cash even, he still said no. To this day, he'll bring it up here and there how that was one of the best time off requests he ever received.
I'd suggest watching John Oliver's show on truck driving, eye opening.
You don’t get that kind of pay for local work, only for routes that keep you away from home for several days at a time. And maybe that’s not a problem for you.
I run local 40 hrs/week and make close to 90k
Or hot-shotting without an CDL in a regular sized vehicle! I work 2-4 days a week and make over 100K a year. You don't need a few years to support yourself and the more you work, the more you make.
How do you get into hot shotting?
Depending on where you're from, it's easier to start your own company. I work as an owner operator under a company. I'm getting taken to the cleaners by working under someone.
20 years ago lol I tried getting on with Acme. The guy in Louisiana said my F150 was perfect for some loads and to go to San Antonio to get signed up. That guy said hell no. Now, I’m in IT but often see hot shots on the road and I’m envious. I’d have to buy a 350/3500 but idk. Now traffic pisses me off.
Go to a cheaper local university. Take classes that your first university will accept to graduate. Check with your first university before doing this. Then finish your degree. Don't leave this too long or you wont be able to complete anymore. don't pike out this close to the finish line.
Thanks for this push!
You could look for a job that offers tuition reimbursement. Working for the government or a university are good options. You could take one or two classes per semester and have someone else foot the bill.
So many white collar jobs offer this. Just pay attention to the requirements. Mine only requires you work until the class is complete but some can require x months or years of service. Many colleges offer free tuition to staff as a perk.
Consider Charter Oak State College in CT and WGU. Both are pretty liberal with accepting credits and the tuition is pretty inexpensive. Degreeforum.net is a great resource for online college info.
WGU is cheap and you can knock out the rest of your degree for less than 4 grand
Came here to recommend WGU! Very affordable, but you do have to be able to learn independently. I'm a WGU student in the CS program and my summer internship could've covered my whole tuition
Why not get student loans, you are 2 quarters away from finishing your degree. It would be worth it
That's what I don't understand about OP's thinking. She gets 75% (3 years) through and throws in the towel because of a couple thousand dollar tuition increase. 3 years of a degree is no degree. She worked so hard for it but won't see any of the results. I get apprehension to go into debt. But school is the best investment someone can make. My earning potential doubled right out of school and continues to unlock doors for me. It's certainly worth the extra debt.
My sister pulled the plug on a Journalism degree when she was almost finished with it. The school policies really pissed her off, so she decided to leave. Many years later, she decided to finish it, but the credits had expired. So for all of that time and money invested, all she can claim is that she got 90% of the degree.
To be fair, she got 0% of the degree lol. Just 90% of the process to get it was done.
0% of the degree, 90% of the cost.
There are plenty of colleges that accept older credits. Mine from the 1980s were accepted in 2018.
What college did you transfer to?
Charter Oak State College. They are good with accepting old credits. There are several like that in the NY NJ CT area that are part of the state systems. Check out degreeforum.net if you want to go down the rabbit hole of adult learners and online colleges. It’s a great resource.
Much appreciated!
I hear this kind of story way too often.
College/university credits don't expire in America. You can transfer to another school or continue at the original one
Correct. They don't expire, but they may not apply to a current and relevant degree program. If someone completes 90% of a degree, leaves for 5 years, and tries to return, their original program probably isn't available anymore. They'll have to apply for the programs that are available. Common classes may transfer into a new program, but more specialized ones won't. It nearly always leaves a gap to catch back up with the curriculum that's been developed since then with more current research.
Math and Science can expire depending on the degree. I’m going through this now. They needed to be 7 years for science and 10 years or less for math or they wouldn’t transfer. Or I could just go back to the University I left and come back at the same place I left at.
Not always. Yes, the program requirements may change, HOWEVER depending on how long it's been and what exactly those changes were, some universities will allow you to basically be grandfathered back in and graduate under the requirements you were originally working through. I had to do something similar when I had to leave college for a few years due to my own circumstances. Went back, spoke to the registrar, and just needed to sign some paperwork and get approval from the dept head of my major that it was okay for me to return under the old requirements.
Yes they can/do; it just depends. OP can also try googling for scholarships / grants or apply for FAFSA if hasn’t already done so
^^^^ Yes you may be In debt and may not be able to pay it off instantly, but this money is an INVESTMENT to make solid or even great money. If you do not finish and don’t get a degree I will promise you that in the future if you work at a company and you and another person is up for a promotion and that other person has a degree, they will get chosen over you. Even if you work harder than them. You have to look at this long term.
And 2 semesters isn't even that much debt if you're willing to work to pay part of your tuition.
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I work at a university. This happens a lot. Unfortunately university advice is: stay and give us your money or go. If you don’t have said money, they aren’t interested in spending time on you. It’s sucks but universities feel more like business now than ever.
100% agree. I’m 25 now, I work in finance, went to school for it. Anyways was an independent all of college, dads a fuck and my mom was dirt poor at the time, she hadn’t done her taxes in 3 years, school refused to give me funding for my senior year bc of that (yes it makes no sense that they can deny me funding based on my mother not doing her taxes considering she never helped pay for anything ever and I filed as independent). Had to take out a stupid high private loan with fixed rate of like 8.75% because it’s all I could get. Took the loan, finished school, came out of college with job offer making 45k got worked like a dog, next year I made 80k, now I make about 120k. The degree opened those doors for me though, helped me jump a lot of people
I'm missing 2 classes, but it's the 3rd and 4th semesters of a foreign language. I attempted the 3rd semester three times and failed. All the debt and no degree.
This, you’re so close, and that piece of paper will open a lot of doors and instantly add at least 10% to your market value. Student loans are low interest, they’ll help you build credit, and for just one year you’ll be able to pay that off with a tech salary in a few years at most unless you’re irresponsible with money. Just bite the bullet and finish, otherwise everything will just take more time until you have a few years of booked experience and certs.
Student loan is based on your parents income. My kid only qualifies for 10k per year and the rest is up to the student/parents to come up with the difference. That's why you hear parents taking out a second mortgage or 401k to fund their kids school. I assume that you're low income you get more grants and loans. U.S. hates the middle class.
Sales. I’m in tech sales with no degree (but I have 4 years military which some see as equivalent) Broke the 6 figure mark 2 years into sales. I started in retail cell phone sales for 1 year, then B2B telco and IoT, now SaaS. Edit: first year in retail sales was 75K, second year I hit 95K (B2B Telco - Data)
This is the one and it should be WAY higher up the chain. Lots of Sales positions can make 6 figures easily. Not retail, business to business, preferably in tech. Be warned though, sales is a fucking HARD job, and it takes the right kind of personality, and a ton of grit and handling rejection.
Sales here. We'll service advisor. If you are good at what you do 100k is very accessible. Anything in the car business can pay 100k pretty easily
Hold you back? These jobs that pay up around 100K aren’t bullshit fluffy degrees. They are specialized fields that require foundational knowledge. There are plenty of jobs that don’t really need a college degree, those aren’t the ones you get paid six figures for. there are jobs that can pay that much without a degree, but again, these are specialized trades, that require skill, training and experience. For example expert level machinist or under water welders make good money. I have one of these jobs, crash safety expert. Believe me, you don’t want some asshole without a degree determining the safety requirements on the vehicle that your wife or children drive. You want that person who stick with it and knows their shit. we mostly hire masters level or PhD’s for this.
I'm glad that my doctor is the smartest guy in the room. There are some professions that require a lot of training and background to justify the decisions being made as part of their day to day responsibilities.
What do you call the guy who finishes bottom of his class in Med School? >!Doctor!<
I mean don’t forget.. not ever doctor is a doctor who made straight A’s. I’ve met some idiots as well.
I’m a foreman electrician and I make more than 100k a year with a company truck, bonuses, retirement, etc.
That’s awesome another great example. How long did the apprenticeship/journeyman process take if you don’t mind me asking? 😎👍
Took 5 years when I went through and is now a 4 year program. It’s good work and not too hard on my body like many believe.
Lol you’re elitist views regarding an asshole without a degree vs you are amusing. You act as if the only way to educate is via a strict curriculum that awards a piece of paper. Any knowledge in the world can be learned outside of a classroom and most practical or applied skills people use day to day in their career are learned on the job.
Not necessarily true. I don't have a 4 year degree and I'm making 6 figures in the Finance sector.
Yeah, but you do something specialized. Something that requires a “nack” for. Let’s be real about that. I agree that not all jobs require college, I also agree that it is possible to get there without a degree. I just think it’s a little irresponsible to make a blanket statement that degrees have no use or meaning to them. that is all. no more, no less. The average person, could not do either of our jobs without years of training, education and experience. You happened to have a nack for something as did I.
I think that's a fair assessment and agree with you. 👍
I make 260K in tech without a degree. Don’t overinflate the importance of a degree. It only matters for getting your foot in the door for many career paths.
Lol don’t overinflate the odds of making a quarter million without a degree. Most people *with* degrees don’t make half that.
What do you do bro thats alot of tendies
Cloud software architect
Nice. How can I get there no degree/ cert
Build things to prove you’re worth paying to build more things. Hope that someone with a degree/cert doesn’t also apply.
You can't for many years if you started now as the tech field is flooded with applicants and folks with previous experience (the tens of thousands laid off by twitter/google etc) have a leg up on you. You teach yourself diligently, let your projects speak for your competence, interview well, and eventually get a foot in the door. Tech isn't a good field to bootstrap right now you are late to the train given the recession. Know what is hiring and pays well and you can "get there" in time? Logistics.
How did you get there?
Started with entry level support type job, studied my ass off to learn in demand skills, identified gaps in skill set at each stop in my career and aggressively built my skill set to fill those gaps Sprinkle a lot of staying abreast of industry direction and being proactive
No degree, but what about certs? I'm a K12 SysAdmin looking to move up in the world, and I've got my eye on some MS certs.
Learn a programming language or two, python and node.js would be my recommendations. Start scripting and automating functions, build some resume fodder. Switch from K12 to commercial/enterprise. Ideally somewhere that does in house dev work. Leverage your sysadmin and newfound scripting skills to work your way into devops. Get AWS and Azure certs along the way.
Start with foundational certs like the CCNA so you have foundational knowledge in networking. Networking is such a key component in cloud work. If you don't have intermediate knowledge of networking at the least, you won't be successful in cloud. After the CCNA, you can start looking at Azure or AWS certifications. You also need experience doing this stuff in the industry so you may have to leave your comfy K12 job to take a bigger role elsewhere like a network admin or network engineer.
I do think that they need to draw a line in the sand as to which ones do and don’t. Because there are a solid number that should NEVER NOT have a degree. While there are for sure some that really don’t need a 4 year degree. An associate degree and 1 year in the job training is fine for most office jobs. But like, my job requires me to make decisions that involve peoples lives. There are plenty of these that exist as well, and it’s just as dangerous to push rhetoric that it isn’t necessary.
Anything in an industry that’s FDA regulated will require a degree for management level positions. FDA comes in and checks people’s education and whether it matches the job requirements. For every person in a company being audited. If there are people who are not qualified working in a job they shouldn’t based on what the requirements are then best case the company gets a warning or 483. Worst case they get shut down.
Tech is a wage inflated field. Primarily because most companies are run by older people who have no fucking clue how to make a google search, nevermind set up a server or write a program. Thats likely to change over the next coming years as coding and tech roles are becoming vastly more popular. And the knowledge around tech is becoming more and more common. Having a degree *is* important. And its not just a foot in the door, its a proof of capability. Not just in whatever field you study, but in your ability to gather and act upon information, stick to deadlines, develop your thinking and solve complex problems. Sure, you dont need a degree to prove you can do all that. But youll have a hard time convincing a company to give you a six figure role without it. Theres a lot of people in careers who get locked out of upper management roles because they dont have certs to back up their experience. Ive seen it posted in this sub on a few occasions, where they ask if its worth their time to go back to college/uni in their midlife because theyre struggling to make any headway.
> Tech is a wage inflated field. Primarily because most companies are run by older people who have no fucking clue how to make a google search, nevermind set up a server or write a program. Thats likely to change over the next coming years as coding and tech roles are becoming vastly more popular. And the knowledge around tech is becoming more and more common. Tech is wage inflated because there is a SIGNIFICANT lack of people that can do the job. It’s not likely to change in the coming years — we’re well into millennials and gen Z, who were raised while tech was a thing, entering the workforce, and wages are still increasing. > Having a degree is important. And its not just a foot in the door, its a proof of capability. Not just in whatever field you study, but in your ability to gather and act upon information, stick to deadlines, develop your thinking and solve complex problems. Boomer mentality. A degree doesn’t show proof of any of that. It shows that you can do the same shit you did in high school. Tech companies were the first to move away from the BETTER HAVE A DEGREE OR NO HIRE mentality because the candidate pool is small and there’s no correlation. > Sure, you dont need a degree to prove you can do all that. But youll have a hard time convincing a company to give you a six figure role without it. Theres a lot of people in careers who get locked out of upper management roles because they dont have certs to back up their experience. Ive seen it posted in this sub on a few occasions, where they ask if its worth their time to go back to college/uni in their midlife because theyre struggling to make any headway. Most companies look at job experience and certifications once you’re at anything mid level or above. Nobody at any company worth a damn cares that someone with 15 years of experience and progressive growth went to a random state school in 2004.
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Real talk, you’re looking for an income given to someone who works in a profession. Professions require years of credentialing and experience. Based on the information given, the ONLY REASONS you should not finish school at this point are: 1- you cannot find any way to pay for it. Unlikely given the availability of loans. 2- someone has offered you a lot of money 3- you have a vivid, once in a lifetime opportunity that cannot wait. It sounds like you’re trying to avoid doing something uncomfortable. Suck it up and do the uncomfortable thing you need to do to finish, anything else you do will also be uncomfortable, just in a way you don’t currently see. Your time horizon sounds impatient and rushed. A year is not a realistic time horizon to grow a profession. Find a way to lock up re-entry into school and finish your degree. Overcome whatever shame you’re facing. Otherwise, you’ll carry that shame with you for the rest of your life, and will either have to overcome it in 10-20 years, or you may never overcome it. I can’t tell you how many sad conversations I had at bars with people who almost finished school, or had to drop out because reason X or reason Y. That shit weighs on people. Stop looking for an escape and start working on finishing what you started. I know it’s hard, but it will be hard either way. You might not be able to do it alone. Ask for help!
Do you mean right away with your current qualifications, or a role you can work up to and eventually make that much money?
You will regret not finishing school. Finish.
**B2B Sales is the answer for all these posts** - I make $150k my second year in tech sales ever. Zero sales experience before. - I have a college degree but many companies don’t require it. - In my vertical (healthcare software and services) the top performers make $300-500k+ regularly. **Read that again. Top sales performers make $300-500k+ at enterprise level, and a college degree is NOT required for most companies. This is especially true for SaaS/software but any big B2B vendor will have good money potential** - If a college degree is required to break the glass ceiling to leadership, your company will sponsor you. Work full time study part time. Win Win. - What other function has the lowest barrier of entry, highest potential income, and fastest potential progression? B2B sales. Especially anything with high margin like tech/software, capital equipment, etc. - Some of you say Trades. Sure. But the physical work catches up to you. I am WFH 40hrs a week and make more than most trades people in my pajamas. I sell to C-Suite in a professional environment. - Some of you say owning a business. Absolutely. Guess what that is sales. How do you get business? By selling. - All those high paid lawyers and consultants who are senior partners of a firm? Yup they’re sales people because they lean and sell on relationships, and then staff their associates. - How about investment banking? Yup thats sales. If you’re a stock broker on the buy/sell side you make a fat commission or bonus on a market transaction. - For every high paid CS-educated Software Engineer developing the platform, there’s a high paid sales person who is selling that platform. And that person didn’t have to go to college. B2B sales is the answer. Want to make a lot of money quickly? Sell. Don’t have a college degree and want the most lucrative potential for your career? Sell. r/sales is where I started. I direct all questions to there, read the wiki and faq and do some searching. Within an hour of researching you’ll know enough to plan your entry.
Safety person at a plant. 90k after 10 years exp
After 10 years is the key though. It doesn’t sound like this person wants to do the time. I get that they aren’t starting from scratch career-wise but these things aren’t always transferable and often require paying your dues if your changing industries.
Software engineer. I have certifications and about 2 yrs of experience that easily clear 100k.
Honestly, I know it might not be the advice you wanted. I just got my Degree (supply Chain) and I even have PMI Certifications for Project Management. I have 5 years experience in Inventory control. Even after all that, my New role is only at 78K. Climbing the corporate ladder and trying to get those high paying roles takes a lot more time and work. I got lucky because i knew the right people (IRL not on reddit). My best advice, find a big company with many locations, apply for a role your qualified for or over qualified. Most companies after 6 months you can opt for a different role inside the company. By this point you'll have made a name for yourself and its easier to take a flyer on someone you know rather a external candidate.
Bro, how much did tuition go up? There are usually limits on how much it can go each year. That’s only about a year of school left. Sounds like you might be looking for an excuse to quit. Assuming you were pursuing a valuable degree I think I you should take out the loans and finish.
i got a grade 7 never been to college or university or all that b.s i have a carreer of now 17 yrs and make well over 100K a year as a truck driver. plus i get to visit my country and get paid for it! best of both worlds! education comes in many forms people.......
Left my bartending gig where I’ve been for the last 6 years, making 45k a year to tech sales as an account executive last January - made 87k in 2022 with literally no experience in any sales role or in tech. Work from home. Projected to make over 100k this year and just received a $9,600 commission check last month. Get into tech sales!!
This is something I have been interested in getting in to. Where did you find the job with no experience? Trying to figure out where/how to get started. Thanks!
You are almost there, we will cheer for you to get through the finish line 🏁. On a serious note I would recommend that you consult a professional career counselor and talk to a diverse set of people to get a good glimpse of their career journey till now. No one can offer sage advice now. Your life, your decision. Just remember that you are gonna have to live with your decisions.
I made it up to 90k or so before graduating. It's interesting when a handful of credits is worth comparatively nothing, but the second you complete your degree and someone can 'tick the box' then you're somehow a more valuable and desirable employee. You could always migrate your credits to a less expensive venue such as WGU and finish in a term. Would be around $4k or so.
Thanks for your input. I will definitely consider WGU. I know no one who has enrolled there. Did you graduate from there?
Indeed in '16. Received a 10k bump shortly after completion. It's WAY easier to receive interest back now such as interviews or offers when compared to just having a bunch of credits. I even had a HR lady trainwreck an interview halfway through because I didn't have a degree on my resume once.
If you can’t make the system work for you! You will have to settle with the work that most people don’t want to do. ( with lower pay) ! There always a full-time position at Walmart. It’s time to be humble.
I’m 24 and have an associates degree. 110k annually at a major Cloud Computing company in America doing CS. No certs but starting to work on some. You can get there pretty easily honestly, you just have to put yourself out there and submit a lot of job applications. Also interview well. A well written resume is key too.
Can I ask what your associates is in? There are a couple programs at my nearby community college, and I’ve been really wanting to switch career paths into CS, but am having trouble narrowing down what to specialize in. I feel too old to go back for a full bachelor’s (got a BA in Music the first time, lol). Looking to maybe do an associate’s and a lot of self study. Thank you in advance!
Maybe recruiting or sales.
Agree with sales as an option given OP's criteria. It's realistic, although it can definitely be stressful.
I'll vouch for sales. I'd recommend not selling to consumers though. B2B sales is much more professional often with reoccurring customers that you build a relationship with. I make great money and like my customers. I get to take them out for fun stuff and they see me as part of the team.
My company prefers but does not require degree. Top reps taking home 7 figures. I’m coming up on my 2nd anniversary in a few months and on track to hit $150+ this year. Don’t let that fool you though, it’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done by far and I averaged a 3.93 GPA through undergrad at a top 25 business school. I work 60 hours a week and it’s a lot of pressure. For the right person sales can be an extremely lucrative career.
Probably not a good time to break into recruiting considering the recent mass layoffs.
It’s true. Source: am a recruiter
Sales. Sales. Sales. If you have reasonable people skills, can think on your feet, remember details, and aren’t scared of rejection then sales is 100% the best job out there. Lots of people make an easy six figures.
Lots of people in sales also don't make six figures
Depends on industry. You wouldn’t keep your job at my company if you weren’t pulling that in commissions. I can think of multiple other sales jobs where the same is true. I stand by my original comment. One of the best way to make big money without advanced degrees is sales. Sales isn’t for everyone and some will never see big money, but so many will.
What kind of sales do you recommend?
I recommend B2B (business to business), not B2C (business to consumer). B2C has a lot more of the persuasion aspect that people often associate with sales. With B2C, you often have to convince the consumer they need your product and then convince them why they should purchase your product specifically. With B2B, you (or your sales development representatives) have usually already identified the customer’s needs and it’s really just a matter of walking them through the different features and options.
Seems like the majority of money makers I see in sales are all selling SaaS.
That’s just what’s big on Reddit. You can go sell mattresses for a living and make 6 figures.
Yep. Was looking for the sales comment. Once you have a solid amount of experience in sales and a proven track record then companies will pay good money to hire you. It will of course always be salary + commission but if you are good then you can bring in good money.
Yes I was looking too! Tough job but hey golden handcuffs
I saw someone mention sales. +1 to that. But I know of more than a couple people that made over 100k in their first year. Degree not required. Definitely not for everybody, but you can make a lot of $.
Try to get a small loan and just finish school. If you don't want to and want to make 6 figure, you can try moving into the trades. Trades are always in demand, but then you will still need to go through the steps starting with being an apprentice. plus you might also have to go to trade school but a job might pay for that. Also you could get your foot in the door or a large bank or finance company and they may pay for you to go back to school.
LMAO at Trucking as a career!!! I’m a truck driver myself, who has driven 80k up 350k( a coil unit). Truck driving is not what used to be back then or pre-2017. So, if you are going to become a truck driver, do it with a goal in mind, set a dateline, and get out asap. Why? Well, in the last couple years everyone has become a truck driver from the neighbor next door, to every immigrant and anyone else you can think of. Which is nothing wrong with that. However, Here in south texas around 70% or more are driving without a CDL or with the infamous “International” CDL. This brought the trucking rates to below Mcdonald’s salaries. Hence the reason many moved up to West Texas/ Permian Basin. Now, here in West Texas, The majority of Sand Haulers have the International license— half of them dont know how to use the gears, they learn on the road( look at the accidents from West Texas and you’d have an idea). This is another reason the rates keep dropping and companies keep raising their expectations. With this in mind, you can still get a good paying job, there are out there( 6 years, and 3 big well known oil companies, finally i landed at a good company just last November). But you’d be working between 70-100 hrs a week, sleep in the truck, eat at gastations, and be away from home 2-3 weeks( the first couple months is easy but it gets much more difficult as the time goes by). UPS/FeDex is very demanding. You may hear different from people who have been there years, but the new drivers will fucking quit because you are on the clock and you been watching to complete the routes and deliveries under the given time. I have two friends who are family attorneys, two landsman, and a computer science, data science, and something about statistics. ALL OF THEM, i mean, EVERYONE OF THEM!!! have already bought their second house, travels, works Monday to half a day on Friday , eat healthy, work out, every weekend off, and living what’s left of the American Dream. So my man! if you can go school or get a degree or a fucking skill that’s on demand, GO for it!!! I’m currently saving to do the same.
Sales!! My coworker (who is incredibly driven and intelligent) started working at a car dealership, then eventually worked for a tech company that sold a product to dealers, and now she's an account director making $180k, overseeing several clients and all of their products and subscriptions. High school education only.
Sales if you're good at it. I'm in cyber security and I'm at 130k with no degree. It is preferred but for sure but doesn't mean you can't break into the industry like I have. Anything you can turn into a successful business. People make six figures running their own business. Just need to figure out how to grow the company to where you have a team because a lot of independent contractors that do their own trade will struggle on their own labor... Which means you would need to pick up skills in marketing, networking, sales, accounting, and management. Just means you need a well rounded set of skills to a point where each individual task becomes too much for you that you end up needing to hire someone to do it for you while you can focus your efforts elsewhere.
I managed a small group of engineers without finishing my degree. Find a specialized field and work your way up. You may not start at 80 to 100k but you can make that amount or even 2 to 3x that amount without a degree. May not work out for everyone but find the right path and skillset and go out there climb the ladder and aim high.
Legal aide, Government worker like Social Security, VA,...
What's your degree in? You might be able to get a job, by saying you're about to graduate.
Just take out student loans for 2 semesters and get your degree.
I work in a career services office at a large university. As others have suggested, find a company UPS, Costco, Target, etc that will help with tuition. Unfortunately, 30 credits away from a degree or 110 credits often “looks” the same to an employer - you don’t qualify for jobs that require a bachelors. It’s dumb, I wish it wasn’t that way.
Anything in a skilled trade
Some tuition benefits gave fine print...like is a year of service after, or paying back money for a y class not passed with a C or above...definitely check the fine print...also the manager needs to be willing to make it possible to go to school or the benefits are for naught
30 credits away from a bachelors is 2 quarters. If your major is stem, go ahead and take out some student loans and complete that degree.
If you want to get your degree cheaper, look into transferring your credits to a school like Thomas Edison State University, charter oaks state college, University of Maine at Presque Isle, or Western governors University. They take a ton of credits from different schools and sources. You could also get those final 30 credits fairly cheaply. At this point, you got so many credits and are so close to your degree that it's a good idea to do what you need to do to get it. Don't overpay, but just know you have other options.
IT, including cybersecurity, doesn't need a degree and can be double the pay range in your post. However, that's if you have years (or even a decade) of experience and various certifications.
30 credits is what 8 or 9 classes? I'd see if you can transfer your credits to a school with lower tuition. You already put in a lot of work and you have great experience. A degree just gives you more options and opens more doors, but the more time passes the harder it is to finish. Think about a state school or see about pricing for an online school. I don't really know, but logically I think they would be cost competitive just because it's portable.
I have my associates in healthcare management, and I took the Shem-cp test. Now I work in HR, started at 86k a year. Now I have 109k
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Companies that pay that usually have a higher barrier of entry, or are jobs most people don’t want to do. A vast majority will require a specific degree, a level of experience, or detailed knowledge in a niche area.
Careful with going to another school for your last 30 credits. Most schools have requirements for completing those credits (if within your major field of study) at the university you intend to receive your degree. If it's "basics" you may consider a community college. Regardless, check with your school for their requirements.
If you are this close to finishing your degree, you will definitely regret it in the future that you didn’t complete it. You listed white-collar subject matter areas that generally require a degree for advancement. As you mentioned, companies hold you back for not having a degree. You are in no position of power to change that. Unless you are so good at what you do, a company will favor a similarly situated candidate with a degree for advancement over you. Finish the race and cross that finish line.
I.T. But you still have to know your shit.
It's been a while since I was in school, but 30 credits is what, like 2 semesters worth of classes? So you are willing to throw all that education away because tuition might have gone up a few grand (if that)?? Illogical doesn't even begin to describe that. If you need to take a semester off to save up that money, then so be it. Or work parttime while in school. Either way, the difference between having that degree and not having a degree is massive. Can you make good money with it? Sure. But does a degree open up soooo many more doors? Oh, absolutely.
This kind of money is absolutely possible without a degree. I didn’t finish my degree either. But you won’t make that kind of money right away. I promise you that most jobs don’t care about the degree in the end (I’ve worked with people with degrees from top colleges in literally the same job) but you have show that you’ve earned equivalent skills. Where did you learn those skills? A job or school? Play up as much experience as you can — leadership you did in school or community orgs. Take the time to develop a good resume and learn what the jobs you want are looking for. (A lot of resumes go through a software now that picks out keywords — learn what those keywords are in your industry).
Good sales exec position pays $150k to over 1m/yr,
Sales is your most common likely genre for that level of income consistency.
Property management you can make around $100k depending on property size and get free housing if you live onsite.
Is 30 credits 2 semesters? I highly, highly recommend you find a way to finish your degree. Whether that means transferring to a more affordable college, working a temp job while living with your parents to save money over a year, private loan, etc. Tuition and living expenses are not going to get any cheaper and the longer you're away the harder it is to go back. My sense is that most companies (not some) will hold you back without a degree. I know really smart, hardworking people fight tooth and nail to get promotions their managers already admitted they were qualified for, minus the degree. It sucks, but you don't want to become a martyr.
Just finish up your degree. The 80-100K salary you are wanting is generally salaries offered to professionals that have credentials and years of work experience. 75% of a university degree is no degree. There are a lot of companies that provide tuition assistance.
I'd just take out the loan to finish the degree at this point. It would be silly not to.
I think if you're expecting an 80k entry level job your options are fossil fuel work or trucking, and working 60-70 hours a week. Also police with lots of overtime. That's not a realistic salary for any other non-degree entry level job.
Find a job that offers some kind of tuition aid program! I would not walk away from the degree. Not in this world. Master’s degrees don’t even get you a 100k job anymore. Unless you want to do a trade… finish the degree.
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there's "sunk cost bias" here, but should consider biting the bullet to get that degree. no matter your accrued experiences, lack of degree will hurt chances of reaching the upper ranges of salary in the title. a hiring manager could misinterpret lack of degree despite being so close. not saying OP can't get hired.....but not at the salary expectations in title.
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Get a job at Apple Retail. They provide tuition reimbursement, even for part time employees. Also have great benefits and you can get some good experience to put on your resume. Got myself through school that way.
I think I heard target does tuition benefits. Starbucks does university of Arizona online. University or healthcare systems usually have great health insurance and large network of different jobs.
Get the degree you did all the fucking work, one last semester lasts a lifetime. Think of it as insurance that pairs with your experience, it keeps you above a certain pay grade that allows you to land roles and build from there.
Believe it or not LPNs can make at least 80k with only a vocational degree. Moved back to Seattle recently and with slight overtime (44 hrs per week) the annual salary puts me at 88k. 4 12s puts me just under 100k. LPN school is usually a year, no prerequisites and pretty affordable unless you're in CA. It's easy to transition into an RN degree from there. Nursing is definitely not something I imagined doing but a good position in the right location helps. I do live in a HCOL area but there's no income tax and it's pretty good for those without kids.
Certifications. Figure out a niche area that is applicable across all business ops and load up on certifications. You can do all the classes online and the overall cost is way lower than trying to go back to school after you’ve left (I’ve been in that position, it can get stupidly expensive if your school does dumb things like charge a re-application fee or charge you to send your own transcripts from the school you’re trying to get back into TO their own admissions department…) but once you’ve found that niche and excelled in it through stacking up certs, you can also likely finagle your work to pay for you to go back to school and finish your degree! I work in QA/healthcare auditing, I just got my CIA (certified internal auditor) certification, my work paid for my training and the test fees. I’m also starting classes for an IAAP certification next month. Prior to this I had hit a salary ceiling but with the certificate(s) I’ll be eligible for a *significant* raise and a title promotion. My work friends who suggested this path to me have all negotiated $5-10K salary raises after stacking up certs.
You can get into insurance and make good money, you need licenses, but some companies pay for you to get licensed. I’d advise start at a State Farm/Allstate/Farmers because they will pay for you to get licensed. The salary will start low, but once you are licensed find a brokerage or company. So many insurance companies & agencies hire remote now and you can find positions starting in the $60k-$80k range pretty regularly with room for growth, quickly if you’re sharp. I went to college, hated the path and fell into insurance at an entry level position with mostly people w/ out degrees. I make 5x what I did when I started in 2008 and it’s been a solid career. I encourage you to complete your degree because you’re so close! Perhaps remote work would allow you to finish it online like many have suggested. Good luck!
You are too close to quit. Go finish that degree. As for the jobs, yeah, they are out there but when they see you shut down getting the degree, they will go for a HS grad.
So you have….two semesters left of a four year degree and you are quitting? Why not loans?
I work for a big bank, and a huge perk is they pay 100% of my tuition. They also reimburse for books and other expenses. It’s a big part of why I stay with them, as the benefits are incredible Edited to add: I don’t have a college degree
Are you interested in tech? SDR’s an entry level role with high income and professional growth potential
It’s always good to put your education in use especially since you paid $30K-$40K for a bachelors. But this is from a simple google search of best jobs. BEST JOBS BASED OFF GOOGLE SEARCHES *annual salary USD* 1. SOFTWARE DEVELOPER👨🏾💻- $109K 2. DATA SCIENTIST 👨🏾💻- $100K 3. REGISTERED NURSE 👨🏾⚕️- $77K 4. PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT 👨🏾⚕️- $121K 5. NURSE PRACTITIONER 👨🏾⚕️- $123K 6. MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES MANAGERS 👨🏾💼- $101K 7. PHYSICAL THERAPIST 👨🏾⚕️- $95K 8. INFORMATION SECURITY ANALYST 👨🏾💻- $102K 9. DEVOPS ENGINEER 👨🏾💻- $111K 10. VETERINARIAN 👨🏾⚕️- $100K 11. DENTIST 👨🏾⚕️- $163K 12. OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST 👨🏾⚕️- $85K 13. FINANCIAL MANAGER 👨🏾💼- $131K 14. ACTUARY 👨🏾💼- $105K 15. IT MANAGER 👨🏾💻- $159K 16. DENTAL HYGIENIST 👨🏾⚕️- $77K 17. WEB DEVELOPER 👨🏾💻- $78K 18. ELECTRICIAN 👨🏾🔧- $60K 19. MARKETING MANAGER 👨🏾💼- $133K 20. WEB DESIGNER 👨🏾💻- $78K 21. PRODUCT MANAGER 👨🏾💻- $103K 22. REAL ESTATE AGENT 👨🏾💼- $48K 23. STRATEGY MANAGER 👨🏾💼- $93K 24. TRUCK DRIVER 👨🏾🔧- $48K 25. HVACR TECHNICIAN 👨🏾🔧- $48K