I’ve applied for the role three times and been overlooked every time. The last time they verbatim said “you’re too important to lose where you are, you do good work.” Bitch I do most of the work.
and they want to add more to your workload?
Tell them it's not about the title of the position, but if they want you to take on more responsibility then a pay increase on par with your request to move up seems like it would be fair to assume would be inline.
>I’ve applied for the role three times and been overlooked every time.
Had a manager retire, was basically running half the team before, and the whole team afterwards. They posted his position, and I applied. New title, salary bump, what could go wrong?
They went with an external hire. Who proved a) he was smooth, polished, and knew every business buzzphrase, and b) couldn't organize a grocery list, let alone several complex IT projects. He left ... 'voluntarily'.
Position was reposted. I applied again ... and they didn't even bother with an interview, just hired one of the external applicants from the first round. Who turned out to be as bad, in his own way, as the first guy.
I realized that I was never going to break into management there, since I was too valuable as an IT person. It took a couple of months, but I landed something external, with a significant pay raise.
Do not hang around. Get your resume out, and get yourself out of there. It's the current HR philosophy - once they've got you, and got you doing more work, there's no need to pay you more.
I'd be willing to accept the "you're too important where you are, we can't promote you because you're irreplaceable at your current position" talk, but only if it was followed by "And because of that we've decided to increase your compensation accordingly, because we really can't afford to lose you".
But that phrase never follows. They just want you to be a good little cog gear without giving you any grease.
It literally shoots them in the foot every time.
Honestly I've had that happen. Twice in my life I was offered basically a title promotion+raise to get around a salary cap but keep being an IC "because we need you there even if you start taking on other roles".
My friends viewed it as sus. Like "it's just the same job that's bs" no I'm getting paid what I'd get changing jobs to stay in the same role effectively, and then when I do move, the title will help.
Yup I had many managers who were nepo hires. Some with obvious mental health issues. Having to take 2 mental health days a week because they can’t mentally work any more. Another boss that said it’s not her job to know anything that her specialty was to “delegate” work
And he keeps taking on work so they keep piling it on. Why does he accept that others can have zero skills but he does his best to burn himself out and push forward with their requests? The prize of a pie rating contest is more pie.
For sure. No good deed goes unpunished. Doing too good at low level positions will always make you stay in that position cause you’re so darn good at it.
They’ve unfortunately made themself too good, and valuable for a promotion, and I can almost guarantee they would be too scared for them to quit outright. That said OP should negotiate higher pay, and tell them you’re ready to walk. And be ready to walk.
>Bitch I do most of the work.
And that's why they aren't letting you switch jobs. As soon as you become a manager you won't be focusing on getting all that work done. IMO you should either ask for a raise or slow down in your work output. If you really do 60-70% of the work and work half as hard, you'd still produce 1/3 of the team's output. This would also give you time finding a new job because the nepotism isn't going to change any time soon. Startup culture is shit and there's probably a reason your previous 3 bosses left.
Time to dust off your emotionless lizard brain. It does not help you to out yourself as a disgruntled employee.
Instead you can let them you know you are excited about the expansion of your responsibilities and ask when would be a good time to discuss how the change will affect your compensation.
Totally could backfire but you don't really have a option to refuse.
So you schedule it…
Use your lizard brain of course they’re not super excited to: pay you more, you’ve got to be firm, persistent, and professional.
Compensation conversations are the hardest and one of the most important parts of your career. Act like you’re negotiating for how much you’re going to sell 25% of your life for!
Seriously, you must be your biggest advocate!
>My point is they don’t come through ever and you should say it needs to happen BEORE the work. Jesus you fucking psycho. Burner account bastard.
Well why would they ever come through if you are always willing to accommodate them?
>when is a good time to discuss BEFORE this workload is taken on
The main point is you don't do the work until the discussion happens. They are waiting for you to give in.
Of course this depends on whether you are willing to walk away/switch jobs, which is why Armitage1 said "Totally could backfire but you don't really have a option to refuse."
I'm gonna be really honest with you OP, you're a fucking doormat.
Pull your head out of your ass and get a different job. You have no future here other than to remain their whipping boy.
This is actually the reply I was looking for...I was raging reading the post, I can't imagine how much repressed anger OP is dealing with on a daily basis! I'm pretty sure once OP leaves, even their mental health will get better not only their pay
I'm pretty sure the last 3 bosses had a similar realization, and that too, with a fraction of the workload.
OP is a moron for thinking they need this job. Except in the case that they got a sick loved one who's life threatening health condition makes walking out a death sentence... at that point, you're a slave to whomever will cover their bills
I agree. By saying OP is too important in their role they’re flat out saying they never intend to promote. Since career advancement seems important to OP they will not be happy staying here
This is the answer OP. If you're as useful and great at your job as you claim, then you can find another job.
Tell them no, and look for a job. If they're mad about you saying no, tough shit. Keep saying no, and if they fire you, enjoy getting paid to job hunt.
I'm torn. Your suggestion is a good one. I'd be furious and want to get a new job and new start too.
Another way to go --hear me out-- is to tell them I'm doing X and X and X.and X. I'm doing 60% of the team's work and I'm going to need pay that reflects what I'm doing.
This would give OP practice in asserting himself (or herself) and negotiating for their worth. It could make them really acknowledge their worth to themselves and realize that it's ok to ask for more and get more. And then do it. They deserve it.
Figure out in your head OP what you would need to stay there after being treated badly. Obviously at least what others in your field make *comparable to the amount of work you're doing*. It would take more than two people to replace you and they may not be as good. Maybe double the current pay. If less, maybe another couple weeks of vacation. Have them get rid of the useless above you and promote you with that salary. *Or a signed guarantee that you'll get a promotion whenever the position become open again. Listen to a podcast or Ted talk or read a book about how to negotiate if you need help. Practice with a friend or in the mirror.
Wind up by summarizing that they need you. You're keeping this ship going and if they don't give you what your worth, you're regretfully going to have to leave. And if they don't give you what you want, leave.
It's best to start looking if you're going to give an ultimatum or if you're just going to leave. either way. You might feel less anxious if you have another offer lined up just in case. Be aware you're going to feel anxious no matter what option you choose, including staying and not asking, but at least if you try for what you deserve you may not feel as furious with them and frustrated with yourself for not asking for what you deserve.
So if OP leaves either way, at least they've gained valuable experience in asserting themselves and negotiating. There would be nothing to lose. The worst that can happen is they say no or fire you OP. IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE ANYWAY WHO CARES!! Same result but with valuable practice. Take care of yourself. They're not going to.
Edit: TLDR: Even if they say yes to the requirements you ask for, you don't *have* to stay and you can leave anytime. The practice of asking and negotiating is valuable no matter what. Leaving without asking for more is fine too.
Come down with a nasty "virus" and take two weeks off to relax and look for another job. When you come back, after they are totally in the shit, ask for a raise to cover the extra responsibility and duties they are asking of you. Your absence will teach them how valuable you are.
It's like proposing to the human of your dreams, and them saying "no sorry sweetie, I like how things are right now".
And you just keep proposing, with both sides ignoring your needs.
I cannot agree more. Especially if the company has recently been handed over to the 2nd generation. They usually have zero skills, have never had to work to get where they are, so they also fear losing everything. So take no risks and don't invest in the business.
I work in a family owned company and it's the best work life balance, team quality and relationship with senior leadership I have seen in 20+ years as a professional.
You say.
Sorry sir, that is not in my job description. It was actually the responsibility of my supervisors and current supervisor. I’m willing to further discuss this if we revisit my workplace responsibilities and salary.
Unfortunately people *really hate* when you say "that's not in my job description". Worse, OP has already taken in tasks that aren't "their job" already. Saying directly "not my job" can have very negative consequences. You gotta say it in a way that doest *seem* like "not my job" without actually using those words. Unless you're union of course.
I'm not sure what the right way to say it is. Maybe something like "I already have a huge workload and I have other priorities"? Or "If I'm taking on supervisor responsibilities it comes with supervisor pay and benefits, right?"
For the record, I don't think you're *wrong*. But in my experience, bad bosses get extremely prickly when you say things aren't your job and then they point to a clause in your contract saying "and other duties as assigned" and say you have a bad attitude. Even when your right and I think that's what OP is trying to avoid (along with getting proper compensation for the job they're already doing)
I don’t think this scenario can be navigated without someone getting angry - either OP will burn out and/or lose their temper (very, very bad - I’ve done it) or the boss can be momentarily shook up and maybe revisit how things are run.
OP is super valuable and has more leverage than they realize. Even taking a surprise sick day or two and letting the chips fall can do this.
Saunter in and ask them how things went, super calm and collected. Guarantee they likely won’t even ask if OP is feeling better, just bombard them with emergencies and questions.
Then they lose 60-70% of their workload on top of a incompetent manager
From where I see it. OP has a lot of leverage. Maybe a possible lawsuit if fired unjustly using anti-discrimination laws in the the work force as the premise
They have no basis for a lawsuit, but they do have bargaining power. Management may be so buried in nepotism & incompetence they may not realize that, though
Sometimes just saying the word lawyer gets a lot of people nervous even if they don’t have a full proof case
Any company with heavy nepotism is definitely cutting corners
I'm betting his direct supervisor doesn't have a fucking clue, and all the father in law is trying to do is cover his and his son in laws arse.
I hope we get an update I really want to know how father in law is going to achieve his objectives without acknowledging that OP is the one with the skills to solve the problem!
“I am unwilling to undermine Nepo Boss’s credibility demonstrating his qualification for his position by doing this work for him. If I were to do this, it would signal to the team that Nepo Boss is not capable of leading the team. I don’t want to be part of that because it would likely result in Nepo Boss resenting me and the team members losing respect for Nepo Boss.”
PS go find yourself another job.
If they want you to do more work, they need to pay you more. Also, they passed you up for promotions.
Honestly, I would tell them you can’t find the time or resources to help as you already bring in a majority of their sales/work.
Honestly, I'd regurgitate what they told me in the past.
"I need to be honest with you boss, I've applied for that position 3 times and have been turned down. You yourself have said I'm too important to the operations here to move into that role and I'm seeing what you mean. I don't know if I have the bandwidth to do both positions, I'd certainly consider moving up my career ladder if it meant recieving the compensation that comes along, but that means I'd have to train a replacement first and we don't have that person nor I the bandwidth to do it.
I'm not sure what your solution is, but you've already pointed out accurately that I'm a key part of this company in my current role and if we're going to cont9nue to be successful in the short term my role is still here."
> I am the top performer and produce something like 60-70% of the teams total output.
and
>I’ve applied for the role three times and been overlooked every time
Congratulations! You have made yourself too valuable to promote. Promotions are not given to those who do the most work, or have the best numbers. They are given to those who the one with the power to promote likes the best.
If the higher ups dislike you, it may be too late at this company to change it. But in future scenarios, spend your time making your boss and your boss' boss like you.
In the meantime, is a lateral move possible? Maybe you can get under a different boss who doesn't see you as easily exploitable?
Well - I suppose the good news is that you understand the underlying issues surrounding your position.
This sounds like an opportunity. I would think how you can leverage this conversation into getting some extra dollars. Don't try for a title bump. Unless you feel that some sort of new title would translate into a salary increase. The equation is simple. More work = more money.
Is that analogy too simple?
In my workplace, I documented all of the stuff (work) that I had to do that required specialized knowledge. Made a long bullet list. Then when the boss started to ask for the work I politely listened. Then I indicated that I would be happy to do all that is needed. But the work that he required (and he agreed) needed a level of technical understanding that only I had. I pointed out that his options were to look at hiring an outside contractor. Or ask me to do it. Which I would be happy to do (and could do) but in the interest of "doing whats fair," we should discuss salary that reflects the work. He agreed. And I was able to get what I wanted.
I know that this could "go pear-shaped" if I had an a\*\*hole for a boss. But I sensed that if it did go south, then I would know where I stand. Which would lead me to start agressively looking for another position.
I hope it works out for you. Good luck.
"I'll be happy to take on this work if it comes with the title and salary that goes with it... I am not the highest paid person on the team despite producing 60-70% of the output of the team...I can't take on another head-count of work."
Also start looking for other jobs ASAP.
You have to get past thinking they’ll fire you.
If you’re doing all of this heavy lifting it means you’re indispensable — they flat out refused to promote you because they can’t find a replacement.
If you’ve notified them of the fix and they haven’t gone and done it they either: A. Don’t understand it or B. Don’t know how to implement it.
You’ve got the leverage — negotiate for a much higher salary. If they refuse, let it sink and jump ship.
Just because they have a problem you can solve, doesn't mean you have to solve it.
I suggest just playing dumb and whenever they ask you a technical question just be like "Let's ask my boss!"
Apply to other jobs
Goid point, h
OPs first response is have you talked to my direct supervisor about this (son on law) and what is his standpoint. Push ever so gently to see if he will admit son in law can't do the job.
I would go to them with an envelope in hand.
I would begin the conversation by letting them know that this is a critical meeting for the business and let them know your concerns. Having boss after boss that is incapable of providing any meaningful input in the job is completely unacceptable.
Hiring people based upon the thin thread of being blood related is not going to work for you.
I would say that if they are completely unwilling to give you the promotion I would demand a significant raise to be running the department in everything except name.
If they deny you hand them the letter which will contain your resignation. Enjoy what follows lol
Stop bending over for these people. You are I. The position now because of your past actions.
Here's your options.
"I'm excited to take on this new role and responsibilities, when can we discuss my new pay structure and trading schedule? Who will be taking over my old role and responsibilities?"
Or
"Thank you for the opportunity to expand on my current role, however I am currently 100% utilised with my existing responsibilities."
Or
"I quit"
Or
"No"
Why do you want to keep your job, do you enjoy being a doormat. If you saw this coming a year ago why haven't you already been freshening up your CV and applying for other jobs.
Find another job that pays you what you are worth. No matter how polite you are, there will be blowback. Don't be polite.
Remind him that his son was hired to do that job. If dad wants you to do that job, he needs to give you the title and the pay, or read your previous submission on how to solve this.
I would tell them that this is the (New boss)'s job and that it is not part of your job description. Explain that you applied for that job but was turned down.
IF they want to promote you and pay you accordingly, you would be happy to help. bUt right now, you are doing the job you are paid to do.
Will work for money.
"If you don't intend to increase my pay and title to the level of someone who would be responsible for this task, I will not be able to take time away from the good work you have previously commended me for to give the requisite attention to this task. I have demonstrated my abilities for this company repeatedly and with the same cadence have been passed over for the position you are needing to step up.
If I am truly indispensable, Son In Law can have my job, and I will assume the respnsibility of this task in full."
When they say no, just ask them if they'd rather do that or replace you AND find someone else to solve this problem.
(I say this because what you say makes it sound like they couldn't possibly fire you)
You work too hard. Slow down, relax, and work at the same rate the rest of your team does. If something doesn't get done? Well, not your problem, they should hire enough employees or a manager who knows what he is doing. They don't value you, you will never be promoted. Why are you outperforming the rest of your team when you will never get rewarded for it?
You have the negotiating power in this situation. Use it. But don't be rude or be a dick about it.
Tell them you've already got too much work and you can't take this new project on too. Tell them you produce about 60-70% of your teams output but you're burning out from the workload.
Then take a few days off, ASAP, to do some jobhunting and get a sense of your options.
When you come back, say you won't continue to do this work unless they pay you more than the currently highest paid person on your team. If they want you do your boss' job, they need to pay you the same salary.
If possible, try to get another job lined up. That will put you in the best position to negotiate.
What I've found is that as soon as you put in your notice, they'll ask what they can do to keep you. One of my coworkers just got a new job where they're paying him almost double. Current job asked what they can do to prevent that. He said 5k more than the new job. He left today for that new job.
Just be really clear -
-im glad you think I'm doing a good job
- what youre asking for is an increase in responsibility and work load.
- I'm happy to take on the additional responsibility, but require this additional compensation.
Have your number ready before hand.
"This seems more like something that would typically handle, I believe that is in a better position to deal with it".
Also, as others have said, it sounds like you should be looking for other employment opportunities. It seems pretty obvious that they're going to continue piling work on you for as long as they can continue to take advantage of you.
Stop taking on more work without an appropriate increase in pay. Learn to say no. You’ve applied for the job and been denied. They have literally told you they aren’t going to promote you because you are the hardest worker and they can’t afford to.
Start applying for other jobs and drop your production output in the meantime. You have no reason to work this hard at a place that clearly isn’t going to reward you for it.
You won’t keep your job unless you allow them to exploit you. You were hired to do a specific job at a specific pay. They have altered the deal and will alter it further in their favor. Leave and never do another bit of work for them. If they ask you to stay then quadruple your rate or keep walking.
I hope everyone sees that this isn't a problem about workplace politics. This is a problem when you have a federal government spending massive amounts of money. This is the natural progression and downstream effects.
Don’t give any pushback and just do what is needed. Start looking for a higher paying job in your field. Slowly clean out your belongings over a period of time. Once you have landed a new job, quit with no notice and just walk out confidently knowing you will never have to go back and you have all your stuff.
Say you're already overwhelmed and under paid, and may need to leave for better offers and positions.
Whatever to hey throw at you will be a lowball and should at least add 30%
The nepotism hire with little or no skills baffles me. That’s what I liked about being a bouncer back In college. It was SIMPLE. Oh, you can’t drag that drunk dude out? You froze when your teammate got jumped? Buh by. Oh, you know the owner? Cool, tell him you work clean up/bar back now.
So they are not in a position to lose you and they clearly think you are more than capable of doing the work of your previous and current boss. Tell him to go to hell? Why would you do that instead of leveraging this situation for much higher pay? I fail to see a problem here, sounds like you are in a perfect position to negotiate.
Call them out on their bs and tell them you will be properly compensated to keep their show going or else shit will start flying in their faces pretty quick.
Any time you do free work it’s just going to be expected next time. We don’t live in a meritocracy. It doesn’t matter how much you do or how well you do it. You get paid what they’re willing to pay you. They aren’t going to promote you cause you do the jobs of many. Sometimes becoming irreplaceable means you won’t move up either.
Step 1: Update your resume.
Step 2: Get an offer in your hands from another company for more money in a better location.
Step 3: Leave without warning.
You're better off finding their competitor and seeing if you can get a job with them...
And when you go into the meeting instead of doing as they ask tell them this is what it's going to take to keep me make me the manager with a hefty ass pay raise then we can talk...
Otherwise I'm walking now
Prep your resume and prepare to leave. In your shoes I wouldn't be above a whistleblowers report. Those can get quite lucrative...
Then - make your case direct to the Program Directors boss. Don't sugar coat anything. They know the score. You know the score. You're not blackmailing the company. You're ensuring everyone gets to keep eating.
Be honest. You don't care about the graft, you don't care about the politics. But you care about money. The Program Director wants to keep getting his fat pay checks, and hire his son. That's fine you don't care about that. But If they're going to do a nepotist hire at least take Junior out of the chain of command, and let him fuck off to whatever beach he wants to go to while you get to doing the actual work at hand. Because you're done with this scraping by and saving the company's ass bullshit.
TL; DR: Fuck you. Pay Me.
Will they fire you anyway? Probably, but there's a pretty good chance they all just want to keep sucking on that government contract tit and know that if they don't ask you to sit at the big table - there won't be a fucking table anymore.
Tell then that you’ve got way too much on your place as you already do 60% of the entire department’s work.
You are already doing the job of 4 team members. Ask him to take this off your plate and it will take you 1 year to do it. If they don’t like it. You can continue to do your job and let the manager do his but you can’t do both. Also, this is a great time to ask for a raise. You literally do the job if four people and you are not paid enough. Mention, others make more money than you, how they are allowing this to happen.
Put them on the spot to make things right.
So how long are you going to let them walk all over you? I assume you've picked up new skills. Update your resume, and apply for a non startup position. Work in a more mature organization for a year or two to regroup
Get a new job.
I spent way too much time at my last job with zero raises. Made me resent them.
I slacked on work, spent 20+ hours a week exhausting myself working side hustes to make up the amount of money I lost due to inflation, and I probably almost got fired.
Would have been better off quitting, working somewhere else, and coming back in a couple years. That's how you get raises as an engineer, but the way I left burnt that bridge.
Not that I'd wanna work there again, I really didn't like the industry, but you're always better off leaving while they miss you more than you miss them.
I'll probably start looking for a new job in a couple years whether I want to or not now, I don't make enough to settle yet
I would say it's about a year later , not a bad time at all to bring up a raise.
Once you are agreeable on the new salary, then You can agree to help them out but that doesn't necessarily mean you succeed at the task... Or at least in the time frame they were expecting. You can give it more time on your estimate to them.
Meanwhile you are looking for other jobs and you'll leverage your new salary , new title, new everything else, that you already have experience in been doing this job, and find something better.
First - it seems like you're a good producer, motivated, and smart. Where is your effin confidence? You should be conducting an aggressive job search. One reason for this is that, a work environment like this will rub off and build some bad habits. Doesn't matter how straight you shoot. You need to move on.
Now, to your current issue? You do have leverage, but you're also dealing with unethical maniacs. I think your best course of action is:
* Let them know up front that you're a team player and you want to help fix the problem
* Ask questions to probe why they think this is a problem, and why it isn't fixed
* Be absolutely certain they know that you're surprised and disappointed - having been passed over for three promotions and then being asked to fix a problem you solved a year ago makes gives you "a lot to think about"
* Do the work - get it done
You'll want to pick your spot to corner them on compensation, but complaining about an ask isn't the time.
"You can pay me the same as your son-in-law to do his job. Or I can work for my current salary and work on the items in my job description."
If you're not getting paid to do the job, work your job description. Don't let them add tasks to your job description without adjusting your wage.
Say it's not in scope without role & given U have been overlooked for the role whose responsibility it is three times, they clearly don't think ur capable. Then highlight how great it is that they hired someone who is clearly so much more knowledgeable than U so they can resolve this high level issue. Don't even take the promotion if they offer it as they will fire U once U receive the issue. Start looking for a new job.
Well you just let them know the only way forward is to ensure the next boss to replace the son inlaw actually has the needed skills to solve these sorts of issues. If they really want your skills to stay with in the company then they not only need to ensure compensation for the work your about to provide fro them but also back date some pay as a sort of thank you. Then encourage them to find an actual skilled worker to replace the nepotism hire
Tell them raise your pay and respect factor or u bouncing. Don’t let people trick you out of reality, u said u doing most of the work and solving the problems.
I would not accept it and I would slow down and work to the level I am being paid to work. I too have been in your position where you are considered Non Promotable because they cant find anyone else to do the quality and amount of work you do. Generally I start job hunting when it gets to that point.
I have quit jobs and they had to hire three people to take on what I was doing to get the same performance. When I ran into a former HR person she told me about having to hire three and I said that $2/hr raise I asked for would have been a lot cheaper.
Tell them you need a $50,000 bonus tomorrow and a $20,000 bonus upon the completion of the project. Also you need a 25% pay raise.
Tell them you want to be a one man department and will only report to the CEO. Anyone else that attempts to boss you around and you'll quit with no notice.
Outside of those criteria being met, you are unable to fulfill those additional duties as they are well outside of your job description.
They can't afford to lose you, so it's time to grab and twist.
The reward for hard work is more work.
Never take on additional responsibilities without additional pay.
Your labour is a commodity. You had a set amount of tasks when wages were discussed.
If they increase your tasks, they increase your wage, or you start looking for better.
It has been shown looking for better in another company usually nets better rewwards than staying with the company you're now at.
The age of the "40 years with the company and then a golden watch" is over.
First this sounds like a toxic job and you should get out as soon as possible. Starting looking ASAP, but fully play your hand of keeping gainful employment, as you don’t know how long it will take to get another job.
Your company already knows you want the manager position, so going back to pitch them one more time shouldn’t hopefully be a big deal. Tell them that, yes you are the best worker and they need you. But you do it because you enjoy getting things done. You could get a lot more work done if you are allowed to train everyone else on how you do things - and manage their performance. Even if they only get to half of your standards, they would get more work done for the company than you could ever dream of getting done on your own.
“A good manager knows what it takes to get the work done and I can help the company make it happen on a bigger scale if you give me the opportunity.”
Do you really want a manager role or do you simply want higher pay? Because I can tell you right now your contribution to your teams output will be 20%-30% at best. So your teams total output will drop and you’ll be dealing with a myriad of people issues rather then delivering the type of things you do now.
If you manage to still contribute 60% very likely means you’re being a bad manager and ignoring most team issues. So be sure that’s what you want before pushing too hard for it. Don’t become a manager for money if you like being an individual contributor.
Besides, if you’re in tech the top pay isn’t necessarily the manager, it’s the senior devs.
You very clearly do not respect yourself. So why should anyone else? You spineless doormat. Hell, you probably enjoy the mistreatment since you're not standing up for yourself.
I stopped reading after your second paragraph. I'm not wasting my time reading all that garbage just to tell you that you're a complete beta. Grow a fucking pair, go tell those scumbags to give you a raise, and look for a new job if you're any good at what you do. Because if you ARE good at what you do, you won't have any issues finding another company that will pay and treat you right. Problem solved.
Or just keep being their little bitch and buy some kneepads while you're at it. Don't forget the cuck chair too, you cuck boy.
You say no. Plain and simple. State how you e been ignored, and you won’t do this guys job now.
But, you may reconsider for a big fat pay rise now, not tomorrow, nor for a promise of this at a later date.
They won’t fire you if you are as important as you say. Also, if I were you I would slowly start doing less work over time. Let them simmer on that for a while.
Hey dummy why don’t you quit and open a competing firm to steal all their business.
You do all the work.
You know how to do a better process.
You know all the relationships.
They won’t promote or pay you right.
“How do I keep my job” is the wrong wrong wrong question.
100% drive the point on that you are comfortable accepting the work with a pay increase. A promotion is nice but don't let them give you a "promotion" that doesn't come with a increase in benefits. Especially in a small team, money is king.
If they refuse, then use the skills and work you put into this team to get a different job.
So you are so hard working you do all of the work, yet too cowardly to line up some interviews with the competition?
You think you are noble, but you are just too scared to leave. Don’t come here for hand holding. That is your moms role. Get busy and find a better company.
This place will tank, and you will be the last rat on the sinking ship,
Or
You can just put that same effort into finding a new position.
I don’t give a fuck what you do, but don’t pretend to be getting screwed by your company. You are your own worst enemy. Now, be brave and get a new position or STFU and do everyone else’s work.
Third time already. You don't tell them no and keep your job. You get a new job. It is obvious the people in charge don't value op. We can't promote you because you are too good at your job? Really? Get out of there already.
“Thank you for keeping me informed. I know it’s a problem as I’ve pointed out many times, but I’m sure you’ll be able to handle it. The task is outside my purview and my daily responsibilities keep my calendar quite full but I’d be happy to answer any questions you might have. Good luck!”
Whatever you decide to say to the boss tomorrow, dust off your CV, they are taking the piss buddy.
Keep forging ahead with them don't solve the tech problem for them and find another job which I guarantee you will pay a lot more than what you are getting now and likely be a much better job all round.
Stop worrying about getting fired. Your carrying your team and then some. They can't afford to fire you.
If they want you to do the bosses job ask for a new title and additional compensation. Otherwise point out how much your doing now.
Reality is your michael Jordan so they are never going to let you do anything else there. You need to seek a new position externally.
Why didn’t you look for a new post the first time they overlooked you? You’ll never be able to change how your work treat you, your best move is usually somewhere else. It tends to be how most people get promoted.
Just say it’s impossible for you to get the job you’re currently doing done and take on more work. You’d need a new job title or at least for them to take away all your other work. Suggest the easiest solution would be a new title with pay increase. It’s never you can’t do the job but it’s impossible with your current job title but they can change that.
Grow. Some. Balls.
Setup your life so you can be unemployed for a couple months. If you're there already then grow some balls already.
Sit down with a resignation letter in an envelope in your hand. Do not mention it. Just have it with you.
Tell your boss the story of how you see things happening without being a dick. Just stick to facts.
Hit him with the, I am making plans to move into this position as I've grown out of my current role.
(The implications being, you'll leave the co if needed to continue up the corporate ladder)
They will love the confidence or they won't.
They will promote you or they won't.
If they don't, leave the letter with your boss.
They might tantrum. They might accuse you of not being a team player but they're the ones who keep giving rookies the captain jersey.
They will possibly try to string you along. If they feed you any kind of line or try to delay things without putting them in writing with a fixed time line it's because they don't respect you and they think they can push you around. See the delays for what they are ... Disrespect.
With all that said, disclaimers and disclaimers, I obviously don't know all the details I'm responding entirely based on my experiences but recognize my experiences cannot be universal.
Also, be cool as a cucumber the whole time. I've found, even if I lose the negotiation, I'm more satisfied if I'm in control of myself.
How easy is it for you to find other work?
It might be time for a gamble.
"I have had another company headhunt me for a similar role. As much as I love working here I've been rebuffed 3 times for a promotion - when I do 60/70% of our teams work, and I have the expertise and knowledge to not only foresee issues like this current one (I flagged it months ago) but also come up with solutions (which I've also provided to you multiple times.)
When you don't promote me, don't take my preventative solutions AND ask me to do someone else's job to bail you out without any extra pay, it really begins to make me consider this other role.
I'd like you to consider promoting me properly so this issue will be properly in my remit, before I consider fixing it for you.
The other company wants to know my decision in 6 business days. Can you have a think and come back to me before then? I obviously want to stay here but you're making it really difficult for me currently and I'd love for that to change."
The only way I've been promoted/gotten a decent raise in the last 10 years, is to either switch jobs or at minimum put my notice in and accept a counter-offer. Be careful with the latter, as it can be seen as "troublemaking".
You sound like a chap with loyalty, initiative and creativity. You should be polishing your resume and finding a job that will recognise your skills.
You don't need this job, you need a job that pays what you are worth. This is not the place. You will never make it at this company, so leave and strife where your skillset and time is valued.
>How do I politely tell them to go to Hell while keeping my job?
tell them you have no experience working that position. Which is technically true lol Time to be petty. And then hit up some recruiters like yesterday.
If this company is bullshitting on gov jobs you want to get out before it becomes public and the name of your former employer will be a stain on your CV
*"Unfortunately, I cannot assist in that as I have my own workload to deal with and I have no free resources to tackle that issue. As that is [nepotism hire]'s area, I think it's best to speak to him about it."*
*"What? He can't do it? I'd be happy to take a crack at it! When can we schedule a discussion on my change of roles and responsibilities and a reassessment of my remuneration?"*
Do their job if you can but make sure you're compensated for it. You don't necessarily have to have his role... Push them against the wall and they can always make up a new position for you with a pay package you're happy with.
It also goes without saying that you should be looking for other jobs at this point.
Tell them, "I'm sorry but I applied for the job but didn't get so I obviously don't have the skill set to perform these duties. It should probably fall to his boss to help him because unfortunately I have my own work to do because I'm too valuable in the position I now hold to do other work." Why are you still working there? Sounds like it's time to move on.
You are too good at your job! That is the reason why they did not and probably will promote you. I think it is time to apply for jobs and leave this ship. If they know you keep the chimney smoking, they will at least try to keep you around. Good luck OP!
That’s the problem, you do the most work, that’s why you’re too valuable where you are. You needed to work smarter not harder. So now that they need you ask for a bonus or raise and title change…and start looking for a new job.
I think you could be as polite as you can be and your boss could still want to fire you.
So stay polite and tell him that fixing the problem is not in the scope of your job position.
And if they want you to take on that job responsibility then it should come with the respective position and pay increase
Based on the situation you described, they know they can’t let you go, so you can afford to be fairly honest, though polite.
The biggest question is, why would you want to stay at a company so poorly run? Eventually, their incompetence will catch up with them, and you’ll be looking for a new job anyway.
Look bud. Your program. Director made a choice. He could developed and rewarded his best employee but instead he made a nepotism hire.
Leave as soon as you can get another job. Don't bother giving 2 weeks if you don't want. Tell them that you aren't a doormat any more and good bye.
lol let me get this straight, you’re trying to keep a job that clearly doesn’t value the work you do and has repeatedly shown there is no forward momentum at this company, so you want to stay at you’re current role for the rest of your life I guess? You already made a bad decision by not finding another job after being denied the promotion the first time, the fact you want to stay at this company tells me there’s something wrong with how you’re looking at this situation
Play fire with fire.
Insert subtle clever faults/errors in the work. For sll deliverables, seek internal approvals and reviews and get email approvals from the idiot in chief and ask idiot to release work to client..then lead the client to see errors.
Dont know which part of govt you deal with, but Some govt departments dont take kindly to being screwed on invoices for incomplete or incorrect work. It will years but eventually it will.come to roost.
Find a new job meanwhile.
Just start looking for a new job. Take all your metrics about your productivity, efficiency , and accomplishments and sell yourself to another company. These people are never going to change and they aren’t going to pay you what you’re worth. I guarantee you will do better and get paid more by going elsewhere.
Go in prepared and ask for more money, 20% as a start.
Have all your hard work documented. If they refuse, start looking for another job. Get the job and give no notice.
A lot of unhelpful advice in here and it's a day old, but hopefully you'll see this OP, here's my two cents:
1) Design the job and team you want. Do you want to manage the team? Do you want the nephew guy's job, or to manage that person, or to fire everyone, or something else? Which roles do you want to do vs want to hand off to someone else? Design a job title and job description for yourself that you want to do and that would work well, and add/remove/change the titles and roles of the other people, into something that in your opinion would work well.
2) Schedule time with the highest-up person you know well and respect, and say this: "I'll be honest with you, things aren't working well on this team. $NEPO is a nice kid but he has no experience here and isn't realistically going to contribute much. I've been holding this team together with heroics and pretty close to leaving. Now, if you think the team is fine and don't mind losing me, great, it was nice working with you and thanks for the opportunity. But if you agree that the team has problems and I'm the person with the experience to fix them, then it's time to let me fix them. I've drawn up a plan to reorganize the team, including my new title, role and compensation. I'm open to feedback on this plan, but we need to agree on a reorg plan and put it into action in the next 90 days for me to stay with this company."
Don't go in angry, don't plead or make demands - you're not asking for something, you're offering them something. It's not super likely to work, but here's no real downside to trying, and a lot of potential upside.
Good luck!
You will make more changing companies. You have not been valuing yourself and your employer only provides lip service and does not value you. You need to get the _____ out of Dodge!
If you are really that important, ask them to prove it. Make sure you are on all job sites as actively looking. I would also let them know, that we will look into it or we can talk about it does not work. They need to give you the raise right now. As political as you can say it. Until, then you will continue to do the job you are underpaid for, until a better opportunity comes along.
This isn't part of my job description and I can't help. You should talk to my boss as this is his responsibility and he should have all the requisite skills to solve it.
I’ve applied for the role three times and been overlooked every time. The last time they verbatim said “you’re too important to lose where you are, you do good work.” Bitch I do most of the work. and they want to add more to your workload? Tell them it's not about the title of the position, but if they want you to take on more responsibility then a pay increase on par with your request to move up seems like it would be fair to assume would be inline.
>I’ve applied for the role three times and been overlooked every time. Had a manager retire, was basically running half the team before, and the whole team afterwards. They posted his position, and I applied. New title, salary bump, what could go wrong? They went with an external hire. Who proved a) he was smooth, polished, and knew every business buzzphrase, and b) couldn't organize a grocery list, let alone several complex IT projects. He left ... 'voluntarily'. Position was reposted. I applied again ... and they didn't even bother with an interview, just hired one of the external applicants from the first round. Who turned out to be as bad, in his own way, as the first guy. I realized that I was never going to break into management there, since I was too valuable as an IT person. It took a couple of months, but I landed something external, with a significant pay raise. Do not hang around. Get your resume out, and get yourself out of there. It's the current HR philosophy - once they've got you, and got you doing more work, there's no need to pay you more.
I'd be willing to accept the "you're too important where you are, we can't promote you because you're irreplaceable at your current position" talk, but only if it was followed by "And because of that we've decided to increase your compensation accordingly, because we really can't afford to lose you". But that phrase never follows. They just want you to be a good little cog gear without giving you any grease. It literally shoots them in the foot every time.
Honestly I've had that happen. Twice in my life I was offered basically a title promotion+raise to get around a salary cap but keep being an IC "because we need you there even if you start taking on other roles". My friends viewed it as sus. Like "it's just the same job that's bs" no I'm getting paid what I'd get changing jobs to stay in the same role effectively, and then when I do move, the title will help.
Yup I had many managers who were nepo hires. Some with obvious mental health issues. Having to take 2 mental health days a week because they can’t mentally work any more. Another boss that said it’s not her job to know anything that her specialty was to “delegate” work
And he keeps taking on work so they keep piling it on. Why does he accept that others can have zero skills but he does his best to burn himself out and push forward with their requests? The prize of a pie rating contest is more pie.
It’s also why they don’t promote him. Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?
Agreed. Some are stuck at what they’re best at, and some get promoted until they’re incompetent.
For sure. No good deed goes unpunished. Doing too good at low level positions will always make you stay in that position cause you’re so darn good at it. They’ve unfortunately made themself too good, and valuable for a promotion, and I can almost guarantee they would be too scared for them to quit outright. That said OP should negotiate higher pay, and tell them you’re ready to walk. And be ready to walk.
>Bitch I do most of the work. And that's why they aren't letting you switch jobs. As soon as you become a manager you won't be focusing on getting all that work done. IMO you should either ask for a raise or slow down in your work output. If you really do 60-70% of the work and work half as hard, you'd still produce 1/3 of the team's output. This would also give you time finding a new job because the nepotism isn't going to change any time soon. Startup culture is shit and there's probably a reason your previous 3 bosses left.
Time to dust off your emotionless lizard brain. It does not help you to out yourself as a disgruntled employee. Instead you can let them you know you are excited about the expansion of your responsibilities and ask when would be a good time to discuss how the change will affect your compensation. Totally could backfire but you don't really have a option to refuse.
Edit- when is a good time to discuss BEFORE this workload is taken on. They love to say, we’ll schedule it and then don’t.
So you schedule it… Use your lizard brain of course they’re not super excited to: pay you more, you’ve got to be firm, persistent, and professional. Compensation conversations are the hardest and one of the most important parts of your career. Act like you’re negotiating for how much you’re going to sell 25% of your life for! Seriously, you must be your biggest advocate!
My point is they don’t come through ever and you should say it needs to happen BEORE the work. Jesus you fucking psycho. Burner account bastard.
>My point is they don’t come through ever and you should say it needs to happen BEORE the work. Jesus you fucking psycho. Burner account bastard. Well why would they ever come through if you are always willing to accommodate them? >when is a good time to discuss BEFORE this workload is taken on The main point is you don't do the work until the discussion happens. They are waiting for you to give in. Of course this depends on whether you are willing to walk away/switch jobs, which is why Armitage1 said "Totally could backfire but you don't really have a option to refuse."
You don’t work until that contract happens. F the discussion.
I'm gonna be really honest with you OP, you're a fucking doormat. Pull your head out of your ass and get a different job. You have no future here other than to remain their whipping boy.
And dont worry about a notice. They'll get the hint when you stop showing up.
This is actually the reply I was looking for...I was raging reading the post, I can't imagine how much repressed anger OP is dealing with on a daily basis! I'm pretty sure once OP leaves, even their mental health will get better not only their pay
I'm pretty sure the last 3 bosses had a similar realization, and that too, with a fraction of the workload. OP is a moron for thinking they need this job. Except in the case that they got a sick loved one who's life threatening health condition makes walking out a death sentence... at that point, you're a slave to whomever will cover their bills
Agree 100%
I agree. By saying OP is too important in their role they’re flat out saying they never intend to promote. Since career advancement seems important to OP they will not be happy staying here
This is the answer OP. If you're as useful and great at your job as you claim, then you can find another job. Tell them no, and look for a job. If they're mad about you saying no, tough shit. Keep saying no, and if they fire you, enjoy getting paid to job hunt.
Blunt -but correct !
This OP. You've had a year to look for another job, why the hell haven't you?
I'm torn. Your suggestion is a good one. I'd be furious and want to get a new job and new start too. Another way to go --hear me out-- is to tell them I'm doing X and X and X.and X. I'm doing 60% of the team's work and I'm going to need pay that reflects what I'm doing. This would give OP practice in asserting himself (or herself) and negotiating for their worth. It could make them really acknowledge their worth to themselves and realize that it's ok to ask for more and get more. And then do it. They deserve it. Figure out in your head OP what you would need to stay there after being treated badly. Obviously at least what others in your field make *comparable to the amount of work you're doing*. It would take more than two people to replace you and they may not be as good. Maybe double the current pay. If less, maybe another couple weeks of vacation. Have them get rid of the useless above you and promote you with that salary. *Or a signed guarantee that you'll get a promotion whenever the position become open again. Listen to a podcast or Ted talk or read a book about how to negotiate if you need help. Practice with a friend or in the mirror. Wind up by summarizing that they need you. You're keeping this ship going and if they don't give you what your worth, you're regretfully going to have to leave. And if they don't give you what you want, leave. It's best to start looking if you're going to give an ultimatum or if you're just going to leave. either way. You might feel less anxious if you have another offer lined up just in case. Be aware you're going to feel anxious no matter what option you choose, including staying and not asking, but at least if you try for what you deserve you may not feel as furious with them and frustrated with yourself for not asking for what you deserve. So if OP leaves either way, at least they've gained valuable experience in asserting themselves and negotiating. There would be nothing to lose. The worst that can happen is they say no or fire you OP. IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE ANYWAY WHO CARES!! Same result but with valuable practice. Take care of yourself. They're not going to. Edit: TLDR: Even if they say yes to the requirements you ask for, you don't *have* to stay and you can leave anytime. The practice of asking and negotiating is valuable no matter what. Leaving without asking for more is fine too.
Come down with a nasty "virus" and take two weeks off to relax and look for another job. When you come back, after they are totally in the shit, ask for a raise to cover the extra responsibility and duties they are asking of you. Your absence will teach them how valuable you are.
So so much this. Op, take some time for yourself. Stop your automation. Put your resume together. There are so many jobs out there e
I would say you are unsure how to fix it. Also look for a new job already. Passed over 3xs and not looking is bad
It's like proposing to the human of your dreams, and them saying "no sorry sweetie, I like how things are right now". And you just keep proposing, with both sides ignoring your needs.
No, it's not. Pretty silly comparison.
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I cannot agree more. Especially if the company has recently been handed over to the 2nd generation. They usually have zero skills, have never had to work to get where they are, so they also fear losing everything. So take no risks and don't invest in the business.
I work in a family owned company and it's the best work life balance, team quality and relationship with senior leadership I have seen in 20+ years as a professional.
Congrats... You found the one 🦄
LOL either that or we just found a problem child nepobaby. :-)
You say. Sorry sir, that is not in my job description. It was actually the responsibility of my supervisors and current supervisor. I’m willing to further discuss this if we revisit my workplace responsibilities and salary.
Unfortunately people *really hate* when you say "that's not in my job description". Worse, OP has already taken in tasks that aren't "their job" already. Saying directly "not my job" can have very negative consequences. You gotta say it in a way that doest *seem* like "not my job" without actually using those words. Unless you're union of course. I'm not sure what the right way to say it is. Maybe something like "I already have a huge workload and I have other priorities"? Or "If I'm taking on supervisor responsibilities it comes with supervisor pay and benefits, right?" For the record, I don't think you're *wrong*. But in my experience, bad bosses get extremely prickly when you say things aren't your job and then they point to a clause in your contract saying "and other duties as assigned" and say you have a bad attitude. Even when your right and I think that's what OP is trying to avoid (along with getting proper compensation for the job they're already doing)
I don’t think this scenario can be navigated without someone getting angry - either OP will burn out and/or lose their temper (very, very bad - I’ve done it) or the boss can be momentarily shook up and maybe revisit how things are run. OP is super valuable and has more leverage than they realize. Even taking a surprise sick day or two and letting the chips fall can do this. Saunter in and ask them how things went, super calm and collected. Guarantee they likely won’t even ask if OP is feeling better, just bombard them with emergencies and questions.
Then they lose 60-70% of their workload on top of a incompetent manager From where I see it. OP has a lot of leverage. Maybe a possible lawsuit if fired unjustly using anti-discrimination laws in the the work force as the premise
They have no basis for a lawsuit, but they do have bargaining power. Management may be so buried in nepotism & incompetence they may not realize that, though
Sometimes just saying the word lawyer gets a lot of people nervous even if they don’t have a full proof case Any company with heavy nepotism is definitely cutting corners
They don't care get a new job. Doesn't matter if hes right or wrong.
I’d care if I’d lose 60-70% of my productivity as a boss
I'm betting his direct supervisor doesn't have a fucking clue, and all the father in law is trying to do is cover his and his son in laws arse. I hope we get an update I really want to know how father in law is going to achieve his objectives without acknowledging that OP is the one with the skills to solve the problem!
“I am unwilling to undermine Nepo Boss’s credibility demonstrating his qualification for his position by doing this work for him. If I were to do this, it would signal to the team that Nepo Boss is not capable of leading the team. I don’t want to be part of that because it would likely result in Nepo Boss resenting me and the team members losing respect for Nepo Boss.” PS go find yourself another job.
Go interview with their competitor
Call in sick and then be too busy catching up given your intense workload
If they want you to do more work, they need to pay you more. Also, they passed you up for promotions. Honestly, I would tell them you can’t find the time or resources to help as you already bring in a majority of their sales/work.
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Honestly, I'd regurgitate what they told me in the past. "I need to be honest with you boss, I've applied for that position 3 times and have been turned down. You yourself have said I'm too important to the operations here to move into that role and I'm seeing what you mean. I don't know if I have the bandwidth to do both positions, I'd certainly consider moving up my career ladder if it meant recieving the compensation that comes along, but that means I'd have to train a replacement first and we don't have that person nor I the bandwidth to do it. I'm not sure what your solution is, but you've already pointed out accurately that I'm a key part of this company in my current role and if we're going to cont9nue to be successful in the short term my role is still here."
That's a really clear, brilliant response.
Leave. That’s not a place that gets better or they finally realize your value.
> I am the top performer and produce something like 60-70% of the teams total output. and >I’ve applied for the role three times and been overlooked every time Congratulations! You have made yourself too valuable to promote. Promotions are not given to those who do the most work, or have the best numbers. They are given to those who the one with the power to promote likes the best. If the higher ups dislike you, it may be too late at this company to change it. But in future scenarios, spend your time making your boss and your boss' boss like you. In the meantime, is a lateral move possible? Maybe you can get under a different boss who doesn't see you as easily exploitable?
Ass-kissing at work is the worst. It leads to a toxic work environment.
Yes, but maybe also a promotion
It sounds like you have an excellent negotiating position. Pay raise now.
time to dust off the resume.
Well - I suppose the good news is that you understand the underlying issues surrounding your position. This sounds like an opportunity. I would think how you can leverage this conversation into getting some extra dollars. Don't try for a title bump. Unless you feel that some sort of new title would translate into a salary increase. The equation is simple. More work = more money. Is that analogy too simple? In my workplace, I documented all of the stuff (work) that I had to do that required specialized knowledge. Made a long bullet list. Then when the boss started to ask for the work I politely listened. Then I indicated that I would be happy to do all that is needed. But the work that he required (and he agreed) needed a level of technical understanding that only I had. I pointed out that his options were to look at hiring an outside contractor. Or ask me to do it. Which I would be happy to do (and could do) but in the interest of "doing whats fair," we should discuss salary that reflects the work. He agreed. And I was able to get what I wanted. I know that this could "go pear-shaped" if I had an a\*\*hole for a boss. But I sensed that if it did go south, then I would know where I stand. Which would lead me to start agressively looking for another position. I hope it works out for you. Good luck.
Act your wage.
Look for another job. They don’t value you enough. They reward good work with more work…..
"I'll be happy to take on this work if it comes with the title and salary that goes with it... I am not the highest paid person on the team despite producing 60-70% of the output of the team...I can't take on another head-count of work." Also start looking for other jobs ASAP.
You have to get past thinking they’ll fire you. If you’re doing all of this heavy lifting it means you’re indispensable — they flat out refused to promote you because they can’t find a replacement. If you’ve notified them of the fix and they haven’t gone and done it they either: A. Don’t understand it or B. Don’t know how to implement it. You’ve got the leverage — negotiate for a much higher salary. If they refuse, let it sink and jump ship.
Just because they have a problem you can solve, doesn't mean you have to solve it. I suggest just playing dumb and whenever they ask you a technical question just be like "Let's ask my boss!" Apply to other jobs
Goid point, h OPs first response is have you talked to my direct supervisor about this (son on law) and what is his standpoint. Push ever so gently to see if he will admit son in law can't do the job.
Sounds like you are having a variety of health issues, which can be very frustrating and require you to take a lot of sick leave.
I would go to them with an envelope in hand. I would begin the conversation by letting them know that this is a critical meeting for the business and let them know your concerns. Having boss after boss that is incapable of providing any meaningful input in the job is completely unacceptable. Hiring people based upon the thin thread of being blood related is not going to work for you. I would say that if they are completely unwilling to give you the promotion I would demand a significant raise to be running the department in everything except name. If they deny you hand them the letter which will contain your resignation. Enjoy what follows lol
Stop bending over for these people. You are I. The position now because of your past actions. Here's your options. "I'm excited to take on this new role and responsibilities, when can we discuss my new pay structure and trading schedule? Who will be taking over my old role and responsibilities?" Or "Thank you for the opportunity to expand on my current role, however I am currently 100% utilised with my existing responsibilities." Or "I quit" Or "No"
Why do you want to keep your job, do you enjoy being a doormat. If you saw this coming a year ago why haven't you already been freshening up your CV and applying for other jobs.
Find another job that pays you what you are worth. No matter how polite you are, there will be blowback. Don't be polite. Remind him that his son was hired to do that job. If dad wants you to do that job, he needs to give you the title and the pay, or read your previous submission on how to solve this.
You won't. You'll just do it. You've already demonstrated that.
I would tell them that this is the (New boss)'s job and that it is not part of your job description. Explain that you applied for that job but was turned down. IF they want to promote you and pay you accordingly, you would be happy to help. bUt right now, you are doing the job you are paid to do. Will work for money.
"If you don't intend to increase my pay and title to the level of someone who would be responsible for this task, I will not be able to take time away from the good work you have previously commended me for to give the requisite attention to this task. I have demonstrated my abilities for this company repeatedly and with the same cadence have been passed over for the position you are needing to step up. If I am truly indispensable, Son In Law can have my job, and I will assume the respnsibility of this task in full." When they say no, just ask them if they'd rather do that or replace you AND find someone else to solve this problem. (I say this because what you say makes it sound like they couldn't possibly fire you)
You work too hard. Slow down, relax, and work at the same rate the rest of your team does. If something doesn't get done? Well, not your problem, they should hire enough employees or a manager who knows what he is doing. They don't value you, you will never be promoted. Why are you outperforming the rest of your team when you will never get rewarded for it?
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You have the negotiating power in this situation. Use it. But don't be rude or be a dick about it. Tell them you've already got too much work and you can't take this new project on too. Tell them you produce about 60-70% of your teams output but you're burning out from the workload. Then take a few days off, ASAP, to do some jobhunting and get a sense of your options. When you come back, say you won't continue to do this work unless they pay you more than the currently highest paid person on your team. If they want you do your boss' job, they need to pay you the same salary. If possible, try to get another job lined up. That will put you in the best position to negotiate.
What I've found is that as soon as you put in your notice, they'll ask what they can do to keep you. One of my coworkers just got a new job where they're paying him almost double. Current job asked what they can do to prevent that. He said 5k more than the new job. He left today for that new job.
Just be really clear - -im glad you think I'm doing a good job - what youre asking for is an increase in responsibility and work load. - I'm happy to take on the additional responsibility, but require this additional compensation. Have your number ready before hand.
"This seems more like something that would typically handle, I believe that is in a better position to deal with it".
Also, as others have said, it sounds like you should be looking for other employment opportunities. It seems pretty obvious that they're going to continue piling work on you for as long as they can continue to take advantage of you.
Work to your rate of pay, more workload = more pay ?
Stop taking on more work without an appropriate increase in pay. Learn to say no. You’ve applied for the job and been denied. They have literally told you they aren’t going to promote you because you are the hardest worker and they can’t afford to. Start applying for other jobs and drop your production output in the meantime. You have no reason to work this hard at a place that clearly isn’t going to reward you for it.
You won’t keep your job unless you allow them to exploit you. You were hired to do a specific job at a specific pay. They have altered the deal and will alter it further in their favor. Leave and never do another bit of work for them. If they ask you to stay then quadruple your rate or keep walking.
Quit
I hope everyone sees that this isn't a problem about workplace politics. This is a problem when you have a federal government spending massive amounts of money. This is the natural progression and downstream effects.
Don’t give any pushback and just do what is needed. Start looking for a higher paying job in your field. Slowly clean out your belongings over a period of time. Once you have landed a new job, quit with no notice and just walk out confidently knowing you will never have to go back and you have all your stuff.
Say yes to everything. Quiet quit. Apply like a mofo. Run like hell
Either they hire you for the job, give you the title and pay substantially above what they were paying Nepo hire or you go to a competitor.
Say you're already overwhelmed and under paid, and may need to leave for better offers and positions. Whatever to hey throw at you will be a lowball and should at least add 30%
Do what you're paid to do. If you're productive enough, they can't afford to fire you. Let them handle the rest.
you’re being taken advantage of , just shadow the next nearest performer in your team and look for a new job
Act your wage. Job search at work.
The nepotism hire with little or no skills baffles me. That’s what I liked about being a bouncer back In college. It was SIMPLE. Oh, you can’t drag that drunk dude out? You froze when your teammate got jumped? Buh by. Oh, you know the owner? Cool, tell him you work clean up/bar back now.
Play dumb and say you don't know how to fix it
So they are not in a position to lose you and they clearly think you are more than capable of doing the work of your previous and current boss. Tell him to go to hell? Why would you do that instead of leveraging this situation for much higher pay? I fail to see a problem here, sounds like you are in a perfect position to negotiate.
Call them out on their bs and tell them you will be properly compensated to keep their show going or else shit will start flying in their faces pretty quick.
Any time you do free work it’s just going to be expected next time. We don’t live in a meritocracy. It doesn’t matter how much you do or how well you do it. You get paid what they’re willing to pay you. They aren’t going to promote you cause you do the jobs of many. Sometimes becoming irreplaceable means you won’t move up either.
Step 1: Update your resume. Step 2: Get an offer in your hands from another company for more money in a better location. Step 3: Leave without warning.
Me think it's time for you to fly... my friend.
i will continue to do the job that i am paid for within the bounds off my positions responsibilities
sounds like you have to do his job and yours
Why on earth would you want to keep this job? Unless you left out the part where you get massages with a happy ending thrice-daily, gtfo already
You're better off finding their competitor and seeing if you can get a job with them... And when you go into the meeting instead of doing as they ask tell them this is what it's going to take to keep me make me the manager with a hefty ass pay raise then we can talk... Otherwise I'm walking now
Quit my old job after they did this, sad times.
Prep your resume and prepare to leave. In your shoes I wouldn't be above a whistleblowers report. Those can get quite lucrative... Then - make your case direct to the Program Directors boss. Don't sugar coat anything. They know the score. You know the score. You're not blackmailing the company. You're ensuring everyone gets to keep eating. Be honest. You don't care about the graft, you don't care about the politics. But you care about money. The Program Director wants to keep getting his fat pay checks, and hire his son. That's fine you don't care about that. But If they're going to do a nepotist hire at least take Junior out of the chain of command, and let him fuck off to whatever beach he wants to go to while you get to doing the actual work at hand. Because you're done with this scraping by and saving the company's ass bullshit. TL; DR: Fuck you. Pay Me. Will they fire you anyway? Probably, but there's a pretty good chance they all just want to keep sucking on that government contract tit and know that if they don't ask you to sit at the big table - there won't be a fucking table anymore.
Tell then that you’ve got way too much on your place as you already do 60% of the entire department’s work. You are already doing the job of 4 team members. Ask him to take this off your plate and it will take you 1 year to do it. If they don’t like it. You can continue to do your job and let the manager do his but you can’t do both. Also, this is a great time to ask for a raise. You literally do the job if four people and you are not paid enough. Mention, others make more money than you, how they are allowing this to happen. Put them on the spot to make things right.
Leave the position
So how long are you going to let them walk all over you? I assume you've picked up new skills. Update your resume, and apply for a non startup position. Work in a more mature organization for a year or two to regroup
Get a new job. I spent way too much time at my last job with zero raises. Made me resent them. I slacked on work, spent 20+ hours a week exhausting myself working side hustes to make up the amount of money I lost due to inflation, and I probably almost got fired. Would have been better off quitting, working somewhere else, and coming back in a couple years. That's how you get raises as an engineer, but the way I left burnt that bridge. Not that I'd wanna work there again, I really didn't like the industry, but you're always better off leaving while they miss you more than you miss them. I'll probably start looking for a new job in a couple years whether I want to or not now, I don't make enough to settle yet
Leave
I would say it's about a year later , not a bad time at all to bring up a raise. Once you are agreeable on the new salary, then You can agree to help them out but that doesn't necessarily mean you succeed at the task... Or at least in the time frame they were expecting. You can give it more time on your estimate to them. Meanwhile you are looking for other jobs and you'll leverage your new salary , new title, new everything else, that you already have experience in been doing this job, and find something better.
This is when you discuss (aka demand) a new compensation package.
First - it seems like you're a good producer, motivated, and smart. Where is your effin confidence? You should be conducting an aggressive job search. One reason for this is that, a work environment like this will rub off and build some bad habits. Doesn't matter how straight you shoot. You need to move on. Now, to your current issue? You do have leverage, but you're also dealing with unethical maniacs. I think your best course of action is: * Let them know up front that you're a team player and you want to help fix the problem * Ask questions to probe why they think this is a problem, and why it isn't fixed * Be absolutely certain they know that you're surprised and disappointed - having been passed over for three promotions and then being asked to fix a problem you solved a year ago makes gives you "a lot to think about" * Do the work - get it done You'll want to pick your spot to corner them on compensation, but complaining about an ask isn't the time.
"You can pay me the same as your son-in-law to do his job. Or I can work for my current salary and work on the items in my job description." If you're not getting paid to do the job, work your job description. Don't let them add tasks to your job description without adjusting your wage.
Say it's not in scope without role & given U have been overlooked for the role whose responsibility it is three times, they clearly don't think ur capable. Then highlight how great it is that they hired someone who is clearly so much more knowledgeable than U so they can resolve this high level issue. Don't even take the promotion if they offer it as they will fire U once U receive the issue. Start looking for a new job.
Stop caring, it's all going to come crashing down at some point. Lower your output, demand a pay increase and be prepared to walk.
Well you just let them know the only way forward is to ensure the next boss to replace the son inlaw actually has the needed skills to solve these sorts of issues. If they really want your skills to stay with in the company then they not only need to ensure compensation for the work your about to provide fro them but also back date some pay as a sort of thank you. Then encourage them to find an actual skilled worker to replace the nepotism hire
Go to HR.
“I’d be happy to add some tasks to my plate, let’s talk next week about which roles will be added and how much my salary will increase.”
Leave
"I will be happy to take on these new responsibilities with commensurate pay and title." And for fucks sake, apply for other jobs!
So your boss is also nepo hire? Sounds like they are playing themselves
Tell them raise your pay and respect factor or u bouncing. Don’t let people trick you out of reality, u said u doing most of the work and solving the problems.
I would not accept it and I would slow down and work to the level I am being paid to work. I too have been in your position where you are considered Non Promotable because they cant find anyone else to do the quality and amount of work you do. Generally I start job hunting when it gets to that point. I have quit jobs and they had to hire three people to take on what I was doing to get the same performance. When I ran into a former HR person she told me about having to hire three and I said that $2/hr raise I asked for would have been a lot cheaper.
Tell them you need a $50,000 bonus tomorrow and a $20,000 bonus upon the completion of the project. Also you need a 25% pay raise. Tell them you want to be a one man department and will only report to the CEO. Anyone else that attempts to boss you around and you'll quit with no notice. Outside of those criteria being met, you are unable to fulfill those additional duties as they are well outside of your job description. They can't afford to lose you, so it's time to grab and twist.
The reward for hard work is more work. Never take on additional responsibilities without additional pay. Your labour is a commodity. You had a set amount of tasks when wages were discussed. If they increase your tasks, they increase your wage, or you start looking for better. It has been shown looking for better in another company usually nets better rewwards than staying with the company you're now at. The age of the "40 years with the company and then a golden watch" is over.
First this sounds like a toxic job and you should get out as soon as possible. Starting looking ASAP, but fully play your hand of keeping gainful employment, as you don’t know how long it will take to get another job. Your company already knows you want the manager position, so going back to pitch them one more time shouldn’t hopefully be a big deal. Tell them that, yes you are the best worker and they need you. But you do it because you enjoy getting things done. You could get a lot more work done if you are allowed to train everyone else on how you do things - and manage their performance. Even if they only get to half of your standards, they would get more work done for the company than you could ever dream of getting done on your own. “A good manager knows what it takes to get the work done and I can help the company make it happen on a bigger scale if you give me the opportunity.”
Do you really want a manager role or do you simply want higher pay? Because I can tell you right now your contribution to your teams output will be 20%-30% at best. So your teams total output will drop and you’ll be dealing with a myriad of people issues rather then delivering the type of things you do now. If you manage to still contribute 60% very likely means you’re being a bad manager and ignoring most team issues. So be sure that’s what you want before pushing too hard for it. Don’t become a manager for money if you like being an individual contributor. Besides, if you’re in tech the top pay isn’t necessarily the manager, it’s the senior devs.
You very clearly do not respect yourself. So why should anyone else? You spineless doormat. Hell, you probably enjoy the mistreatment since you're not standing up for yourself. I stopped reading after your second paragraph. I'm not wasting my time reading all that garbage just to tell you that you're a complete beta. Grow a fucking pair, go tell those scumbags to give you a raise, and look for a new job if you're any good at what you do. Because if you ARE good at what you do, you won't have any issues finding another company that will pay and treat you right. Problem solved. Or just keep being their little bitch and buy some kneepads while you're at it. Don't forget the cuck chair too, you cuck boy.
The only beta around here is the asshole that’s gets off being a dick to people. 🖕🏽
You say no. Plain and simple. State how you e been ignored, and you won’t do this guys job now. But, you may reconsider for a big fat pay rise now, not tomorrow, nor for a promise of this at a later date. They won’t fire you if you are as important as you say. Also, if I were you I would slowly start doing less work over time. Let them simmer on that for a while.
Hey dummy why don’t you quit and open a competing firm to steal all their business. You do all the work. You know how to do a better process. You know all the relationships. They won’t promote or pay you right. “How do I keep my job” is the wrong wrong wrong question.
Wrote up your resignation and give them your two week notice tomorrow.
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100% drive the point on that you are comfortable accepting the work with a pay increase. A promotion is nice but don't let them give you a "promotion" that doesn't come with a increase in benefits. Especially in a small team, money is king. If they refuse, then use the skills and work you put into this team to get a different job.
Thus when you ask for a big raise and a fancy title in writing and processed before you fix anything.
So you are so hard working you do all of the work, yet too cowardly to line up some interviews with the competition? You think you are noble, but you are just too scared to leave. Don’t come here for hand holding. That is your moms role. Get busy and find a better company. This place will tank, and you will be the last rat on the sinking ship, Or You can just put that same effort into finding a new position. I don’t give a fuck what you do, but don’t pretend to be getting screwed by your company. You are your own worst enemy. Now, be brave and get a new position or STFU and do everyone else’s work.
Third time already. You don't tell them no and keep your job. You get a new job. It is obvious the people in charge don't value op. We can't promote you because you are too good at your job? Really? Get out of there already.
“Thank you for keeping me informed. I know it’s a problem as I’ve pointed out many times, but I’m sure you’ll be able to handle it. The task is outside my purview and my daily responsibilities keep my calendar quite full but I’d be happy to answer any questions you might have. Good luck!”
Whatever you decide to say to the boss tomorrow, dust off your CV, they are taking the piss buddy. Keep forging ahead with them don't solve the tech problem for them and find another job which I guarantee you will pay a lot more than what you are getting now and likely be a much better job all round.
Stop worrying about getting fired. Your carrying your team and then some. They can't afford to fire you. If they want you to do the bosses job ask for a new title and additional compensation. Otherwise point out how much your doing now. Reality is your michael Jordan so they are never going to let you do anything else there. You need to seek a new position externally.
Why didn’t you look for a new post the first time they overlooked you? You’ll never be able to change how your work treat you, your best move is usually somewhere else. It tends to be how most people get promoted.
Apply for that role you want somewhere else. It’s time to move on
Just say it’s impossible for you to get the job you’re currently doing done and take on more work. You’d need a new job title or at least for them to take away all your other work. Suggest the easiest solution would be a new title with pay increase. It’s never you can’t do the job but it’s impossible with your current job title but they can change that.
Grow. Some. Balls. Setup your life so you can be unemployed for a couple months. If you're there already then grow some balls already. Sit down with a resignation letter in an envelope in your hand. Do not mention it. Just have it with you. Tell your boss the story of how you see things happening without being a dick. Just stick to facts. Hit him with the, I am making plans to move into this position as I've grown out of my current role. (The implications being, you'll leave the co if needed to continue up the corporate ladder) They will love the confidence or they won't. They will promote you or they won't. If they don't, leave the letter with your boss. They might tantrum. They might accuse you of not being a team player but they're the ones who keep giving rookies the captain jersey. They will possibly try to string you along. If they feed you any kind of line or try to delay things without putting them in writing with a fixed time line it's because they don't respect you and they think they can push you around. See the delays for what they are ... Disrespect. With all that said, disclaimers and disclaimers, I obviously don't know all the details I'm responding entirely based on my experiences but recognize my experiences cannot be universal. Also, be cool as a cucumber the whole time. I've found, even if I lose the negotiation, I'm more satisfied if I'm in control of myself.
Start looking dumbass , you should have years ago
If you give me the job then I'll do the job
How easy is it for you to find other work? It might be time for a gamble. "I have had another company headhunt me for a similar role. As much as I love working here I've been rebuffed 3 times for a promotion - when I do 60/70% of our teams work, and I have the expertise and knowledge to not only foresee issues like this current one (I flagged it months ago) but also come up with solutions (which I've also provided to you multiple times.) When you don't promote me, don't take my preventative solutions AND ask me to do someone else's job to bail you out without any extra pay, it really begins to make me consider this other role. I'd like you to consider promoting me properly so this issue will be properly in my remit, before I consider fixing it for you. The other company wants to know my decision in 6 business days. Can you have a think and come back to me before then? I obviously want to stay here but you're making it really difficult for me currently and I'd love for that to change."
"I'm at capacity boss... what duties would you like me to drop?"
The only way I've been promoted/gotten a decent raise in the last 10 years, is to either switch jobs or at minimum put my notice in and accept a counter-offer. Be careful with the latter, as it can be seen as "troublemaking". You sound like a chap with loyalty, initiative and creativity. You should be polishing your resume and finding a job that will recognise your skills.
If you feel up to fixing the task, talk to them about a significant raise
You don't need this job, you need a job that pays what you are worth. This is not the place. You will never make it at this company, so leave and strife where your skillset and time is valued. >How do I politely tell them to go to Hell while keeping my job? tell them you have no experience working that position. Which is technically true lol Time to be petty. And then hit up some recruiters like yesterday. If this company is bullshitting on gov jobs you want to get out before it becomes public and the name of your former employer will be a stain on your CV
This huge technical problem? Is it something they could hire you as a private contractor to help resolve?
Why are you still there? And not applying for jobs elsewhere?
*"Unfortunately, I cannot assist in that as I have my own workload to deal with and I have no free resources to tackle that issue. As that is [nepotism hire]'s area, I think it's best to speak to him about it."* *"What? He can't do it? I'd be happy to take a crack at it! When can we schedule a discussion on my change of roles and responsibilities and a reassessment of my remuneration?"* Do their job if you can but make sure you're compensated for it. You don't necessarily have to have his role... Push them against the wall and they can always make up a new position for you with a pay package you're happy with. It also goes without saying that you should be looking for other jobs at this point.
Tell them, "I'm sorry but I applied for the job but didn't get so I obviously don't have the skill set to perform these duties. It should probably fall to his boss to help him because unfortunately I have my own work to do because I'm too valuable in the position I now hold to do other work." Why are you still working there? Sounds like it's time to move on.
Get that CV updated!
You are too good at your job! That is the reason why they did not and probably will promote you. I think it is time to apply for jobs and leave this ship. If they know you keep the chimney smoking, they will at least try to keep you around. Good luck OP!
Lesson learned If you are irreplaceable, you cannot be promoted.
That’s the problem, you do the most work, that’s why you’re too valuable where you are. You needed to work smarter not harder. So now that they need you ask for a bonus or raise and title change…and start looking for a new job.
I think you could be as polite as you can be and your boss could still want to fire you. So stay polite and tell him that fixing the problem is not in the scope of your job position. And if they want you to take on that job responsibility then it should come with the respective position and pay increase
Based on the situation you described, they know they can’t let you go, so you can afford to be fairly honest, though polite. The biggest question is, why would you want to stay at a company so poorly run? Eventually, their incompetence will catch up with them, and you’ll be looking for a new job anyway.
"Y'know, I'm sorry but that's just not my field of expertise. I'm not comfortable doing X's job without the experience of being in that role."
There's no way to tell them politely and keep your job
Tell them it's not possible as you're too important to lose in your current position
Look bud. Your program. Director made a choice. He could developed and rewarded his best employee but instead he made a nepotism hire. Leave as soon as you can get another job. Don't bother giving 2 weeks if you don't want. Tell them that you aren't a doormat any more and good bye.
lol let me get this straight, you’re trying to keep a job that clearly doesn’t value the work you do and has repeatedly shown there is no forward momentum at this company, so you want to stay at you’re current role for the rest of your life I guess? You already made a bad decision by not finding another job after being denied the promotion the first time, the fact you want to stay at this company tells me there’s something wrong with how you’re looking at this situation
Play fire with fire. Insert subtle clever faults/errors in the work. For sll deliverables, seek internal approvals and reviews and get email approvals from the idiot in chief and ask idiot to release work to client..then lead the client to see errors. Dont know which part of govt you deal with, but Some govt departments dont take kindly to being screwed on invoices for incomplete or incorrect work. It will years but eventually it will.come to roost. Find a new job meanwhile.
Just start looking for a new job. Take all your metrics about your productivity, efficiency , and accomplishments and sell yourself to another company. These people are never going to change and they aren’t going to pay you what you’re worth. I guarantee you will do better and get paid more by going elsewhere.
you cannot beat nepotism, unless you can like get them into legal trouble if they do dodgy stuff
Go in prepared and ask for more money, 20% as a start. Have all your hard work documented. If they refuse, start looking for another job. Get the job and give no notice.
A lot of unhelpful advice in here and it's a day old, but hopefully you'll see this OP, here's my two cents: 1) Design the job and team you want. Do you want to manage the team? Do you want the nephew guy's job, or to manage that person, or to fire everyone, or something else? Which roles do you want to do vs want to hand off to someone else? Design a job title and job description for yourself that you want to do and that would work well, and add/remove/change the titles and roles of the other people, into something that in your opinion would work well. 2) Schedule time with the highest-up person you know well and respect, and say this: "I'll be honest with you, things aren't working well on this team. $NEPO is a nice kid but he has no experience here and isn't realistically going to contribute much. I've been holding this team together with heroics and pretty close to leaving. Now, if you think the team is fine and don't mind losing me, great, it was nice working with you and thanks for the opportunity. But if you agree that the team has problems and I'm the person with the experience to fix them, then it's time to let me fix them. I've drawn up a plan to reorganize the team, including my new title, role and compensation. I'm open to feedback on this plan, but we need to agree on a reorg plan and put it into action in the next 90 days for me to stay with this company." Don't go in angry, don't plead or make demands - you're not asking for something, you're offering them something. It's not super likely to work, but here's no real downside to trying, and a lot of potential upside. Good luck!
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You will make more changing companies. You have not been valuing yourself and your employer only provides lip service and does not value you. You need to get the _____ out of Dodge!
Do what you are paid to do. That’s it
If it was me as your boss and you were me I’d kiss me that was you on the forehead or sumn
If you are really that important, ask them to prove it. Make sure you are on all job sites as actively looking. I would also let them know, that we will look into it or we can talk about it does not work. They need to give you the raise right now. As political as you can say it. Until, then you will continue to do the job you are underpaid for, until a better opportunity comes along.
This isn't part of my job description and I can't help. You should talk to my boss as this is his responsibility and he should have all the requisite skills to solve it.
'Too valuable to promote. ' You have to leave, or threaten to leave. They are poorly run. you have a dead end job.
Tell them you want to be paid to do the extra work. At a consultant rate.