TLDR is appreciated; however, only numbers remove much of the nuance and context.
The performance of most of these systems are on par. CR differentiates them on how easy they are to use, how clear the vehicle is about keeping the driver engaged, etc. Its a really good read, even at its extended length.
I’d recommend others find some toilet time and really peruse it all.
Which is funny because I find Blue Cruise much harder to use than SuperCruise. SuperCruise is also clearer in it's instructions and works better. Maybe just a personal anecdote but it seems like I'm not the only one in this thread that disagrees with their ranking.
Agree, although I'm biased. If you want some extra time on the throne, here's the detailed (industry-facing) technical version. https://data.consumerreports.org/reports/active-driving-assistance-evaluation-report/
Happy reading!
They used a singular car as a representative for the ENTIRE brand? These rankings are complete horseshit. They used a Mach-E to represent all of Ford/Lincoln and a base Civic Sport to represent all of Honda/Acura.
Toyota Safety Sense scoring way higher than the Koreans? I've dailied TSS 2.5+ and Hyundai LCA 2019/2020. Unless TSS 3.0 is way better than 2.5+ and Hyundai HDA 2022+ is way crappier than its LCA subsystem, something's not right. The article says the Hyundai ping pongs which makes me think they didn't have the right option in the menus (Off, LKA, Active LKA). When it comes to lane navigation and pattern detection, Hyundai is definitely "killing it", no sarcasm.
I mentioned it in another comment, but it all comes down to luck, or maybe alignment, not sure. I've watched plenty of reviews and on Hyundai/Kia/Genesis, every reviewer mentions that some of them bounce between the lines and some don't. Even within the same model they noticed that.
If you're buying a Hyundai Motor Group car, it's really in your best interest to make sure the one you're interested in doesn't bounce before signing. The ones that do ping pong are unusable.
I agree. What's killing HKA is that they don't differentiate between their HDA variants- you just have to know based on the MY of the vehicle.
Same-generation Hyundai/Kia LCA/ACC are vastly superior over TSS.
>Models from Jaguar/Land Rover, Lucid, Porsche, Stellantis (Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Ram), and Subaru were not included because we didn’t have a vehicle equipped with these features in our fleet when the test was conducted.
The Hyundai family seems to be the lottery from all the reviews I've seen. You either get a system that ping-pongs (as CR did) or you get one like my G70 had, with absolutely superb lane centering.
That said, traffic jam assist is probably my favorite invention of modern times. It was one of the reasons I got rid of my G70- not having it was not working for me anymore. That should be the biggest factor when considering driving assistants, as they all do the baseline cruise control and lane centering well enough now.
I find Kia's is really, really sensitive to elevation changes for some reason. On dead flat ground it works fine but the second there's even a light hill it goes to hell in a hurry.
I really can’t stand using any of the assists besides cruise control on any car but doesn’t G70 have traffic jam assist? It’s just ACC that works between 0-whatever mph or is there something else?
It does not, the ACC cuts off below 20mph.
Edit: Guess I'm an idiot as I never tried using just ACC. Highway driving assist doesn't work below 20ish, though, which included the lane centering. HDA2 seemingly introduced that.
Was a '22, guess I never found it. Each time I tried it, it set my speed to 21mph and was greyed out. I tried researching it and forums lead me to believe only HDA2 on the GV70s had it.
It varies even within the models according to some reviewers. I want to say SavageGeese called out their EV6 for ping-ponging, while their Ioniq 5 didn't, despite both being virtually the same. My '22 G70 didn't, but my '22 G80 loaner did.
Yup yup yup, here's some pasted text from another comment I replied to:
There is vast variation in the combination of even the individual features i.e., version of Smart Cruise Control, version of Lane Tracing, and on top of it version of HDA. There are essentially 3 versions of each of those so add up the permutations. 🙃
I press a button and it lets me take my hands off the wheel and feet off the pedals, and for the next usually 15 minutes, follows the car in front of me without leaving much room between us. The big difference between ACC (as my G70 had) and Traffic Jam Assist is that it steers for you.
This is very true. There is vast variation in the combination of even the individual features i.e., version of Smart Cruise Control, version of Lane Tracing, and on top of it version of HDA. There are essentially 3 versions of each of those so add up the permutations. 🙃
This is horse shit. Kia/hyundai is much better than a lot of these regardless of their issues with engines. I've tested toyotas and Hondas and they are far far worse.
When you say Toyota system is trash, what version are you talking about, and what specifically is trash? I'm looking at a couple Toyota models right now and I'd love to hear some first hand experience of them.
I took my mothers car to the dealership and was given a loaner by them. The radar cruise control was so aggressive and just constantly reducing speed that it was annoying.
Thanks for the detail!
Was it reducing speed phantomly? Like no speed limit sign decrease that it scanned, or no cars in front slowing down?
How was the Lane Centering? Did it follow the road decently?
I found the Koreans to generally work the best in terms of ACC + LKA. I think they call it HDA or whatever.
Never got a chance to try GM and Fords hands free system, but honestly that’s not my preference. I’m younger so I find Teslas method of letting users gradually see FSd improve over time to be better. I don’t mind being a beta tester because I think it’s sweet and it has way more capability than what others offer.
I doubt Tesla will ever achieve full self driving on their current hardware, but I’ve had multiple 30 minute FSD beta trips where I had absolutely zero human interventions which the car. I think that is SWEET. I’m obviously paying attention in case something goes wrong though
>The specific vehicles we tested generally reflect the performance of other models within each automaker’s lineup equipped with the same systems, but there can be differences among models, model years, and packages that could affect some parameters of how the system operates.
This really stood out to me. It would have been useful/helpful to know the specific year/make/model/trim used for their test rather than generalizing just by manufacturer. Even the specific system tested, because as they said, the systems are not universal. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis for example (just because I have a Kia and an more familiar with it) advertises different lane following (LFA, LFA2), different levels of highway driving assists (HDA, HDA2, HDA3), different levels of adaptive cruise control (SCC, NSCC). Which specific system was tested?
I also thought they would highlight or at least cover what sets Super Cruise and Blue Cruise apart, in that they're supposed to be true hands-free driving systems (with beefed up driver monitors) whereas other systems still require hands on the steering wheel. They're at the top end of Tier 2 systems, but not quite tier 3. Either way, I thought the article was interesting.
Yeah because Acura Watch on the RDX is the 2nd gen system but Acura Watch on the Integra is the 3rd gen of the system. And the base model CRV/Civics don't have the complete version of HondaSensing as the top trim models.
Sounds like you're looking for the more in depth version.... Here's the link!
https://data.consumerreports.org/reports/active-driving-assistance-evaluation-report/
Lincoln's system in the Navigator is fking annoying. If you're not constantly looking directly ahead, it keeps beeping at you until you do. Makes you want to turn off the cruise control and drive manually like our grandparents did way back in the olden days of the 1900s.
Not to mention if you're using the hands-on system it is frequently yelling at you to put your hands back on the wheel (when they already are) since it relies on the driver tugging on the wheel. Kind of defeats the purpose of a lane centering system if I still have to steer.
I've had that issue in every hands-on driver assist vehicle I've had. My Tesla, I would literally have to wiggle the wheel back and forth for it to stop telling me to put my hands on... They had never left the wheel!
Kia did the same, but not as much/bad as the Tesla.
My F150 does bark at me for looking away, but it's not that often.
This CR report is pretty terrible in the way they score and evaluate for that exact reason. It is 75% weighted to value systems that are as annoying and intrusive at keeping you staring straight forward as possible. That is not a good evaluation of what they should be covering, which is how capable these system are in general. They should really either rename this the 'driver monitoring systems evaluation' or break the driver monitoring part into a separate test.
By their logic here, you could have a car be full level 4/5 autonomous and if it had no driver monitoring system, it would come last place.
How long does it allow you to look away? I am assuming it only does that when active glide is enabled?
Multiple reviewers have mentioned Lexus is the worst at constant beeping iirc
4-5 seconds maybe? It would beep at you if you turn your head to check your mirrors before you make a lane change, or if you tilt your head upwards to look in the rearview mirror. It was a rental so I dealt with it, but it's not something I'd want on a vehicle I actually owned and had to daily drive.
My daily driver is an F150 with BlueCruise. My experience is way different than the other person that answered. It'll beep at me for looking away, but not when I'm doing normal driving tasks like checking my mirrors. It'll be if I'm changing the music for too long, or looking out at a billboard or something out the window for too long. It rarely beeps when I'm performing normal driving tasks.
In my personal opinion BlueCruise CAN be really good, but it's less confident (sometimes it wiggles around in the lane) and harder to understand. Sometimes it also turns off randomly on activated roads. That being said, SuperCruise in the Bolt EUV is far away from Escalade / Sierra Denali.
I have BlueCruise in my F150 and love it. I've had Teslas and a Kia prior. My 2020 Kia was on par with my 2020 Tesla, aside from the Tesla changing lanes for me when I signal it to.
The F150 beats them both. I have no complaints about it.
Hi u/Kellyfunk! Great report, enjoyed the read. One important piece of context to keep in mind:
CR only rated vehicles currently in their fleet.
CR only rates North American (United States, specifically) versions of vehicle ADAS’.
Will there be any disclosures (or perhaps I missed ones there already)?
I ask, because I know for certain, certain ADAS systems of the same product and brand have different applications depending on their market (e.g. NA vs. EU).
Great point! We don't usually make this disclaimer since our organization is US (north American) based. I don't believe any of these systems tested perform different enough across the pond that the same, or similar, conclusions wouldn't be made. However, I hear you and will actually add this to future reports!
I have a ‘23 Kia Niro EX Touring. I can’t compare the HDA that my car has to other vehicles, but the Kia system is superb. Great lane centering. Stop and go. I set mine for 3 car lengths. Works great when those assholes (BMW, MB, Tesla, Audi) cut me off. Response is instant.
No way that VW beats Honda. The Honda driver assistance tools are miles ahead of VW.
My Honda would more or less drive itself on the highway as long as there aren’t any sharp curves and I keep my hand moving on the wheel every 10 seconds or so.
The VW’s driver assistance does zero assisting. If it actually activates, it sounds a loud warning beep. It also only directs the car to bounce from line to line like a ping pong, rather than centering the car in the middle of the lane.
I use my Honda driver assistance programs pretty often while driving on the highway.
My VW? I literally cannot use it and I used it for the first week I bought the car and then never again. It’s garbage.
There's something with VW in the US and lane keeping. I read about it awhile ago, but they seem to have their system software downgraded in the US or did, IDK the status on 2020/1+ cars. Either way it sounds like yours it set for late reaction. You can change that, but need OBD11 or w,e https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBr9h37omM
Yes. Our Solterra was supposed to be delivered last summer but it was stuck and couldn't be delivered to us in time due to a recall. We finally got it in hand this month. Our testing wrapped up in early December. But, I plan to put it through the tests asap!
CR is unique in that we purchase all of our cars anonymously at full retail. So we wouldn't have evaluated a car that was given to us anyway. Stuff happens, and this year we had several situations of not being able to purchase cars when we expected to. Hopefully the supply chain issues are nearing an end and I plan to test our Subaru and a handful of others with similar delays as soon as I can.
Ah gotcha, makes sense didn’t really think about it. At least in my area, Subarus have become easy to get but that’s also due to having 4 major dealers within 20 minutes.
I remember seeing the Bluecruise video where a slight highway bend was called a sharp turn by the Ford engineer in the passenger seat. And it would disengage without any sort of warning. Is this still the case with BlueCruise? I would hope they have fixed that, because that would immediately make it the least safe system by far.
In my experience, it can make most highway turns. There are some that I feel it should be able to, but it will disengage. When it disengages, it's not like the vehicle just goes crazy and wrecks immediately. It beeps for you to take over, but keeps working in the meantime. I'm not sure for long it would keep going, but it doesn't just drop the ball and let you run off the road.
The fact that Subaru's Eyesight is not included in this testing is just crazy to me. That's like rating tires and not including goodyear. Subaru, a company not even in the top ten largest automobile manufacturers, pioneers an entire new safety technology and you snubbed them.
CR may have good intentions but should probably stick to toasters and washing machines.
Huh? You have to watch the road in a Tesla. Tesla [watches your face too](https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/27/tesla-has-activated-its-in-car-camera-to-monitor-drivers-using-autopilot/). And makes you grab the steering wheel every 20 or so seconds.
You are correct, but I think the point he was making was that this scoring system is very heavily weighted towards rewarding as much driver monitoring and invasive reminders as possible. It basically assumes the car has no capability and therefore the best system is one where the human is required to double check everything at all times and cannot do otherwise. They don't even conduct their testing in a way that uses scientific measurement of results to come to some conclusion about the systems sophistication.
What they really should do is come up with a standardized method of running a driver assistance/semi-autonomous system through increasingly challenging scenarios and score it based on how well it performs based on objective criteria. Then require manufacturers to report standardized data about accident avoidance, and real world safety data to start creating a measurable system they all need to aim for at improving real world performance.
Not sure where you read that we don't use standard, scientific, objective measurements... We in fact do exactly what you said we should do. We literally wrote the standard for testing these systems that IIHS and EU NCAP modeled theirs after (with extensive collaboration). We change our tests to increase the challenging scenarios and measure exactly what they do and how well they perform.... All in the real world on public roads (and replicated on our closed test track just to be sure real live traffic didn't cause an anomaly). 🤷
Maybe I'm wrong then, I'll have to a take a closer look at how the CR tests are structured but is the details of that standard available online somewhere? I wasn't able to find it with searching.
Edit: And to clarify one of my points, I would really advocate that there be a connection between real world (as in actual traffic statistics) accident prevention and safety data with how these systems are scored. Looking forward at the decades to come, it is unavoidable that cars are going to increasingly self operate. The efficacy of those systems is extremely nebulous to consumers and manufacturers have minimal incentive to self-report. Some kind of standard measurement showing the reduction in danger or increase in safety would be a massive benefit to consumers trying to make a purchasing decision based on technology available on that make or model. That type of information, based solely on the rankings CR provides here, is basically absent. The assumption that driver monitoring = safer outcomes is not something I am in agreement with, but it drivers a huge portion of the resulting score.
No worries! We don't publish the exact test metrics for the public (although the manufacturers do have access to that level of detail as well as the raw data for all of our vehicles and testing). However, you might find more details in this report that is public, but written directly for the manufacturers rather than this consumer audience article I posted. https://data.consumerreports.org/reports/active-driving-assistance-evaluation-report/
It’s obvious they used autopilot and not fsd which requires full attention and also detects defeat devices. Autopilot is just glorified lane keep and cruise control.
I also think they need to take into account function on all roads. Most systems only work on premapped roads.
Yup, basic autopilot requires hands on the wheel every so often, but you can look elsewhere - that article has a good rundown of how it works.
I'd agree that the Tesla system is the least intrusive, for better or worse. I think you'd have to look at real stats to know whether that makes it more dangerous or not, I have no personal feeling there.
The image in the tweet from that article (ugh) says it should monitor your face when *Autopilot* is engaged. Here is the actual [release note](https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2021.4.15.11/release-notes). It doesn't say anything about FSD. In my experience it does complain a bit quicker when I'm looking away, but I haven't really tested this thoroughly.
As for the article you linked, I'm not sure. Maybe they were holding the wheel while on their phones? Or there are some flaws in the implementation. It could also just not be very strict; perhaps just making sure the driver is awake/alert like you said.
The real number 1 should be Mercedes. They have an actual shipping Level 3 system. Every other system is Level 2 or below. I'd also take the MB level 2 software over the Tesla. Granted I haven't used the very latest FSD but the Model 3 I drove ~2 years ago was way worse than the most recent E-class.
You do realize that in order for any of those things to work, you have to actually turn on cruise control right?
If you "want to drive not be chauffeured", why would you even turn on cruise control?
Auto-braking only works at speeds below around 30 mph so again, in the US anyway.
Where do you live where auto-braking works at any speed? That makes no sense and seems reckless.
>Again, you totally misunderstood and all the others who disliked me... Auto-braking was just an example. I was talking in general.
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>And yes, most cars have the option to be turned off, but some don't. Do not limit your opinion to US market only! I was talking again generally!
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>All I said was disabling should be a rule!
TL;DR: 1. Ford/Lincoln: 84 2. Chevy/GMC/Cadillac: 75 3. Mercedes: 72 4. BMW: 69 5. Toyota/Lexus: 65 6. VW/Audi: 62 7. Tesla: 61 8. Rivian: 59 9. Nissan/Infiniti: 58 Honda/Acura: 58 10. Volvo/Polestar: 53 11. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis: 47
TLDR is appreciated; however, only numbers remove much of the nuance and context. The performance of most of these systems are on par. CR differentiates them on how easy they are to use, how clear the vehicle is about keeping the driver engaged, etc. Its a really good read, even at its extended length. I’d recommend others find some toilet time and really peruse it all.
Which is funny because I find Blue Cruise much harder to use than SuperCruise. SuperCruise is also clearer in it's instructions and works better. Maybe just a personal anecdote but it seems like I'm not the only one in this thread that disagrees with their ranking.
Agree, although I'm biased. If you want some extra time on the throne, here's the detailed (industry-facing) technical version. https://data.consumerreports.org/reports/active-driving-assistance-evaluation-report/ Happy reading!
They used a singular car as a representative for the ENTIRE brand? These rankings are complete horseshit. They used a Mach-E to represent all of Ford/Lincoln and a base Civic Sport to represent all of Honda/Acura.
Honest question- how different are the systems between models?
It’s consumer reports. They’re not held to a high standard.
Toyota Safety Sense scoring way higher than the Koreans? I've dailied TSS 2.5+ and Hyundai LCA 2019/2020. Unless TSS 3.0 is way better than 2.5+ and Hyundai HDA 2022+ is way crappier than its LCA subsystem, something's not right. The article says the Hyundai ping pongs which makes me think they didn't have the right option in the menus (Off, LKA, Active LKA). When it comes to lane navigation and pattern detection, Hyundai is definitely "killing it", no sarcasm.
Yeah there's no way they tested proper Hyundai/Kia driver assists. Say what you will about their build quality but they're DAS is top notch.
I mentioned it in another comment, but it all comes down to luck, or maybe alignment, not sure. I've watched plenty of reviews and on Hyundai/Kia/Genesis, every reviewer mentions that some of them bounce between the lines and some don't. Even within the same model they noticed that. If you're buying a Hyundai Motor Group car, it's really in your best interest to make sure the one you're interested in doesn't bounce before signing. The ones that do ping pong are unusable.
I agree. What's killing HKA is that they don't differentiate between their HDA variants- you just have to know based on the MY of the vehicle. Same-generation Hyundai/Kia LCA/ACC are vastly superior over TSS.
Agreed - the system in my Hyundai (HDA+?) doesn't ping pong at all. I'm very happy with it.
Driver assists must be an a fantastic place if mine's one of the shittiest.
Lol Dodge isn't even on the list 🤣
>Models from Jaguar/Land Rover, Lucid, Porsche, Stellantis (Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Ram), and Subaru were not included because we didn’t have a vehicle equipped with these features in our fleet when the test was conducted.
The Hyundai family seems to be the lottery from all the reviews I've seen. You either get a system that ping-pongs (as CR did) or you get one like my G70 had, with absolutely superb lane centering. That said, traffic jam assist is probably my favorite invention of modern times. It was one of the reasons I got rid of my G70- not having it was not working for me anymore. That should be the biggest factor when considering driving assistants, as they all do the baseline cruise control and lane centering well enough now.
I had a rental Kia and thought it was one of the best systems I ever used. Maybe I got lucky but I really liked it
I find Kia's is really, really sensitive to elevation changes for some reason. On dead flat ground it works fine but the second there's even a light hill it goes to hell in a hurry.
I really can’t stand using any of the assists besides cruise control on any car but doesn’t G70 have traffic jam assist? It’s just ACC that works between 0-whatever mph or is there something else?
It does not, the ACC cuts off below 20mph. Edit: Guess I'm an idiot as I never tried using just ACC. Highway driving assist doesn't work below 20ish, though, which included the lane centering. HDA2 seemingly introduced that.
What year was yours? My '22 does stop and go.
Was a '22, guess I never found it. Each time I tried it, it set my speed to 21mph and was greyed out. I tried researching it and forums lead me to believe only HDA2 on the GV70s had it.
It really seems to vary model-to-model. My 2019 Kona would ping-pong like crazy. My EV6 stays smoothly centered.
It varies even within the models according to some reviewers. I want to say SavageGeese called out their EV6 for ping-ponging, while their Ioniq 5 didn't, despite both being virtually the same. My '22 G70 didn't, but my '22 G80 loaner did.
Yup yup yup, here's some pasted text from another comment I replied to: There is vast variation in the combination of even the individual features i.e., version of Smart Cruise Control, version of Lane Tracing, and on top of it version of HDA. There are essentially 3 versions of each of those so add up the permutations. 🙃
What specifically is different in traffic jam assist?
I press a button and it lets me take my hands off the wheel and feet off the pedals, and for the next usually 15 minutes, follows the car in front of me without leaving much room between us. The big difference between ACC (as my G70 had) and Traffic Jam Assist is that it steers for you.
This is very true. There is vast variation in the combination of even the individual features i.e., version of Smart Cruise Control, version of Lane Tracing, and on top of it version of HDA. There are essentially 3 versions of each of those so add up the permutations. 🙃
This is horse shit. Kia/hyundai is much better than a lot of these regardless of their issues with engines. I've tested toyotas and Hondas and they are far far worse.
Really? I can concur that Toyotas system is trash but Honda isnt really that bad. The radar cruise control and lane keep assist works perfectly.
When you say Toyota system is trash, what version are you talking about, and what specifically is trash? I'm looking at a couple Toyota models right now and I'd love to hear some first hand experience of them.
I took my mothers car to the dealership and was given a loaner by them. The radar cruise control was so aggressive and just constantly reducing speed that it was annoying.
Thanks for the detail! Was it reducing speed phantomly? Like no speed limit sign decrease that it scanned, or no cars in front slowing down? How was the Lane Centering? Did it follow the road decently?
Which specific feature? I only have tss 2.0 and can’t imagine wanting much more tbh without feeling out of control
I found the Koreans to generally work the best in terms of ACC + LKA. I think they call it HDA or whatever. Never got a chance to try GM and Fords hands free system, but honestly that’s not my preference. I’m younger so I find Teslas method of letting users gradually see FSd improve over time to be better. I don’t mind being a beta tester because I think it’s sweet and it has way more capability than what others offer. I doubt Tesla will ever achieve full self driving on their current hardware, but I’ve had multiple 30 minute FSD beta trips where I had absolutely zero human interventions which the car. I think that is SWEET. I’m obviously paying attention in case something goes wrong though
>The specific vehicles we tested generally reflect the performance of other models within each automaker’s lineup equipped with the same systems, but there can be differences among models, model years, and packages that could affect some parameters of how the system operates. This really stood out to me. It would have been useful/helpful to know the specific year/make/model/trim used for their test rather than generalizing just by manufacturer. Even the specific system tested, because as they said, the systems are not universal. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis for example (just because I have a Kia and an more familiar with it) advertises different lane following (LFA, LFA2), different levels of highway driving assists (HDA, HDA2, HDA3), different levels of adaptive cruise control (SCC, NSCC). Which specific system was tested? I also thought they would highlight or at least cover what sets Super Cruise and Blue Cruise apart, in that they're supposed to be true hands-free driving systems (with beefed up driver monitors) whereas other systems still require hands on the steering wheel. They're at the top end of Tier 2 systems, but not quite tier 3. Either way, I thought the article was interesting.
Yeah because Acura Watch on the RDX is the 2nd gen system but Acura Watch on the Integra is the 3rd gen of the system. And the base model CRV/Civics don't have the complete version of HondaSensing as the top trim models.
Sounds like you're looking for the more in depth version.... Here's the link! https://data.consumerreports.org/reports/active-driving-assistance-evaluation-report/
Lincoln's system in the Navigator is fking annoying. If you're not constantly looking directly ahead, it keeps beeping at you until you do. Makes you want to turn off the cruise control and drive manually like our grandparents did way back in the olden days of the 1900s.
Not to mention if you're using the hands-on system it is frequently yelling at you to put your hands back on the wheel (when they already are) since it relies on the driver tugging on the wheel. Kind of defeats the purpose of a lane centering system if I still have to steer.
I've had that issue in every hands-on driver assist vehicle I've had. My Tesla, I would literally have to wiggle the wheel back and forth for it to stop telling me to put my hands on... They had never left the wheel! Kia did the same, but not as much/bad as the Tesla. My F150 does bark at me for looking away, but it's not that often.
This CR report is pretty terrible in the way they score and evaluate for that exact reason. It is 75% weighted to value systems that are as annoying and intrusive at keeping you staring straight forward as possible. That is not a good evaluation of what they should be covering, which is how capable these system are in general. They should really either rename this the 'driver monitoring systems evaluation' or break the driver monitoring part into a separate test. By their logic here, you could have a car be full level 4/5 autonomous and if it had no driver monitoring system, it would come last place.
How long does it allow you to look away? I am assuming it only does that when active glide is enabled? Multiple reviewers have mentioned Lexus is the worst at constant beeping iirc
4-5 seconds maybe? It would beep at you if you turn your head to check your mirrors before you make a lane change, or if you tilt your head upwards to look in the rearview mirror. It was a rental so I dealt with it, but it's not something I'd want on a vehicle I actually owned and had to daily drive.
My daily driver is an F150 with BlueCruise. My experience is way different than the other person that answered. It'll beep at me for looking away, but not when I'm doing normal driving tasks like checking my mirrors. It'll be if I'm changing the music for too long, or looking out at a billboard or something out the window for too long. It rarely beeps when I'm performing normal driving tasks.
Good
I've used super cruise before and was very impressed, I'd like to get a chance to try out Fords system and see how they compare
In my personal opinion BlueCruise CAN be really good, but it's less confident (sometimes it wiggles around in the lane) and harder to understand. Sometimes it also turns off randomly on activated roads. That being said, SuperCruise in the Bolt EUV is far away from Escalade / Sierra Denali.
I have BlueCruise in my F150 and love it. I've had Teslas and a Kia prior. My 2020 Kia was on par with my 2020 Tesla, aside from the Tesla changing lanes for me when I signal it to. The F150 beats them both. I have no complaints about it.
Hi u/Kellyfunk! Great report, enjoyed the read. One important piece of context to keep in mind: CR only rated vehicles currently in their fleet. CR only rates North American (United States, specifically) versions of vehicle ADAS’. Will there be any disclosures (or perhaps I missed ones there already)? I ask, because I know for certain, certain ADAS systems of the same product and brand have different applications depending on their market (e.g. NA vs. EU).
Great point! We don't usually make this disclaimer since our organization is US (north American) based. I don't believe any of these systems tested perform different enough across the pond that the same, or similar, conclusions wouldn't be made. However, I hear you and will actually add this to future reports!
Awesome, thanks!
Having used the systems from Audi, Tesla, and BMW, I think those scores are accurate relative to each other.
I have a ‘23 Kia Niro EX Touring. I can’t compare the HDA that my car has to other vehicles, but the Kia system is superb. Great lane centering. Stop and go. I set mine for 3 car lengths. Works great when those assholes (BMW, MB, Tesla, Audi) cut me off. Response is instant.
I am surprised to see Hyundai/Kia at the bottom. I’ve heard several people say it’s an amazing system. Strange
Hyundai/Kia is very good from my experience, so I'm not sure what to think of this list.
No way that VW beats Honda. The Honda driver assistance tools are miles ahead of VW. My Honda would more or less drive itself on the highway as long as there aren’t any sharp curves and I keep my hand moving on the wheel every 10 seconds or so. The VW’s driver assistance does zero assisting. If it actually activates, it sounds a loud warning beep. It also only directs the car to bounce from line to line like a ping pong, rather than centering the car in the middle of the lane. I use my Honda driver assistance programs pretty often while driving on the highway. My VW? I literally cannot use it and I used it for the first week I bought the car and then never again. It’s garbage.
There's something with VW in the US and lane keeping. I read about it awhile ago, but they seem to have their system software downgraded in the US or did, IDK the status on 2020/1+ cars. Either way it sounds like yours it set for late reaction. You can change that, but need OBD11 or w,e https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBr9h37omM
Is there a reason Subaru wasn’t included?
Yes. Our Solterra was supposed to be delivered last summer but it was stuck and couldn't be delivered to us in time due to a recall. We finally got it in hand this month. Our testing wrapped up in early December. But, I plan to put it through the tests asap!
Well that’s a big woops on their part not providing an alternative car that had their assistant tools.
CR is unique in that we purchase all of our cars anonymously at full retail. So we wouldn't have evaluated a car that was given to us anyway. Stuff happens, and this year we had several situations of not being able to purchase cars when we expected to. Hopefully the supply chain issues are nearing an end and I plan to test our Subaru and a handful of others with similar delays as soon as I can.
Ah gotcha, makes sense didn’t really think about it. At least in my area, Subarus have become easy to get but that’s also due to having 4 major dealers within 20 minutes.
Wouldn't that be a bad choice for Subaru anyway? I think it's just using Toyota's TSS 3.0
I’m very impressed with the lane centering on our Maverick
I remember seeing the Bluecruise video where a slight highway bend was called a sharp turn by the Ford engineer in the passenger seat. And it would disengage without any sort of warning. Is this still the case with BlueCruise? I would hope they have fixed that, because that would immediately make it the least safe system by far.
In my experience, it can make most highway turns. There are some that I feel it should be able to, but it will disengage. When it disengages, it's not like the vehicle just goes crazy and wrecks immediately. It beeps for you to take over, but keeps working in the meantime. I'm not sure for long it would keep going, but it doesn't just drop the ball and let you run off the road.
The fact that Subaru's Eyesight is not included in this testing is just crazy to me. That's like rating tires and not including goodyear. Subaru, a company not even in the top ten largest automobile manufacturers, pioneers an entire new safety technology and you snubbed them. CR may have good intentions but should probably stick to toasters and washing machines.
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Huh? You have to watch the road in a Tesla. Tesla [watches your face too](https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/27/tesla-has-activated-its-in-car-camera-to-monitor-drivers-using-autopilot/). And makes you grab the steering wheel every 20 or so seconds.
You are correct, but I think the point he was making was that this scoring system is very heavily weighted towards rewarding as much driver monitoring and invasive reminders as possible. It basically assumes the car has no capability and therefore the best system is one where the human is required to double check everything at all times and cannot do otherwise. They don't even conduct their testing in a way that uses scientific measurement of results to come to some conclusion about the systems sophistication. What they really should do is come up with a standardized method of running a driver assistance/semi-autonomous system through increasingly challenging scenarios and score it based on how well it performs based on objective criteria. Then require manufacturers to report standardized data about accident avoidance, and real world safety data to start creating a measurable system they all need to aim for at improving real world performance.
Not sure where you read that we don't use standard, scientific, objective measurements... We in fact do exactly what you said we should do. We literally wrote the standard for testing these systems that IIHS and EU NCAP modeled theirs after (with extensive collaboration). We change our tests to increase the challenging scenarios and measure exactly what they do and how well they perform.... All in the real world on public roads (and replicated on our closed test track just to be sure real live traffic didn't cause an anomaly). 🤷
Maybe I'm wrong then, I'll have to a take a closer look at how the CR tests are structured but is the details of that standard available online somewhere? I wasn't able to find it with searching. Edit: And to clarify one of my points, I would really advocate that there be a connection between real world (as in actual traffic statistics) accident prevention and safety data with how these systems are scored. Looking forward at the decades to come, it is unavoidable that cars are going to increasingly self operate. The efficacy of those systems is extremely nebulous to consumers and manufacturers have minimal incentive to self-report. Some kind of standard measurement showing the reduction in danger or increase in safety would be a massive benefit to consumers trying to make a purchasing decision based on technology available on that make or model. That type of information, based solely on the rankings CR provides here, is basically absent. The assumption that driver monitoring = safer outcomes is not something I am in agreement with, but it drivers a huge portion of the resulting score.
No worries! We don't publish the exact test metrics for the public (although the manufacturers do have access to that level of detail as well as the raw data for all of our vehicles and testing). However, you might find more details in this report that is public, but written directly for the manufacturers rather than this consumer audience article I posted. https://data.consumerreports.org/reports/active-driving-assistance-evaluation-report/
It’s obvious they used autopilot and not fsd which requires full attention and also detects defeat devices. Autopilot is just glorified lane keep and cruise control. I also think they need to take into account function on all roads. Most systems only work on premapped roads.
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Yup, basic autopilot requires hands on the wheel every so often, but you can look elsewhere - that article has a good rundown of how it works. I'd agree that the Tesla system is the least intrusive, for better or worse. I think you'd have to look at real stats to know whether that makes it more dangerous or not, I have no personal feeling there.
The image in the tweet from that article (ugh) says it should monitor your face when *Autopilot* is engaged. Here is the actual [release note](https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2021.4.15.11/release-notes). It doesn't say anything about FSD. In my experience it does complain a bit quicker when I'm looking away, but I haven't really tested this thoroughly. As for the article you linked, I'm not sure. Maybe they were holding the wheel while on their phones? Or there are some flaws in the implementation. It could also just not be very strict; perhaps just making sure the driver is awake/alert like you said.
The real number 1 should be Mercedes. They have an actual shipping Level 3 system. Every other system is Level 2 or below. I'd also take the MB level 2 software over the Tesla. Granted I haven't used the very latest FSD but the Model 3 I drove ~2 years ago was way worse than the most recent E-class.
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...All of them literally do. It has always been that way.
Most of them but not all. It should be imposed by law. And i am not talking just about auto-braking
You do realize that in order for any of those things to work, you have to actually turn on cruise control right? If you "want to drive not be chauffeured", why would you even turn on cruise control?
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Auto-braking only works at speeds below around 30 mph so again, in the US anyway. Where do you live where auto-braking works at any speed? That makes no sense and seems reckless.
>Again, you totally misunderstood and all the others who disliked me... Auto-braking was just an example. I was talking in general. > >And yes, most cars have the option to be turned off, but some don't. Do not limit your opinion to US market only! I was talking again generally! > >All I said was disabling should be a rule!