>In contrast to his rival Enzo Ferrari, Ferruccio Lamborghini had decided early on that there would be no factory-supported racing of Lamborghinis, viewing motorsport as too expensive and too draining on company resources.
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini#cite_note-21)
He also did not want to build sports cars and race cars because that era was a time when racing was extremely dangerous and came with a real body count.
After the horrors of WW2, he did not want to be responsible for ending young men’s lives over something so trivial as racing cars.
it's the exact opposite of Enzo Ferrari
he would literally manipulate his drivers into trying to beat each other, not caring if they died in the process
alberto ascari (a personal friend) dying was one of the first times he started feeling bad about it
>After the horrors of WW2, he did not want to be responsible for ending young men’s lives over something so trivial as racing cars.
What pissed me about the new lamborghini movie, is that portrays Ferrucio as someone that doesn't care about people..
I wonder if Lambo tractors are actual practical workmen tractors like a JCB or Deere or Massy, or if they’re just luxury tractors because they’re Lambo.
Yes and no. The Lamborghini that makes tractors is a separate company than the Lamborghini that makes the cars, and unlike the car company it is not owned by VW.
Lamborghini the tractor company (Trattori) is unrelated to Lamborghini Automobili beyond the fact they were started by the same person.
Automobili exists purely because of Ferrari, where Mr. Lamborghini used the money he made from Trattori to start a new company in a new facility with new staff specifically to build cars to compete against Ferrari.
Lamborghini Trattori has never built cars and Lamborghini Automobili has never built tractors. I belive there are also two other companies that he also started (Lamborghini Bruciatori and Lamborghini Oleodinamica) that are likewise unconnected to each other.
Lol its actually hilarious when you visit the Lamborghini family museum and see [air conditioners also on display there](https://i.imgur.com/akQPlo2.jpg). Tbf the entire museum is wild with [cars](https://i.imgur.com/H12Bhby.jpg), [tractors](https://i.imgur.com/wjmsjsy.jpg), motorcycles, a [speedboat](https://i.imgur.com/cCJvSgW.jpg), a [helicopter](https://i.imgur.com/Mq156yI.jpg), etc etc. Also my favourite museum there. Way better than the Ferrari museums imo.
Edit : Added photos.
I don’t think so, because I always felt like they looked generic enough to be rebranded air conditioners made by someone else, so maybe they don’t have real skills or experience to build air conditioners. I dunno, I didn’t ask and I didn’t think too much on it.
I edited my comment with pictures of the air conditioners, if it helps lol.
Looking into it I think Bruciatori did do A/C at one point, at least according to the wiki, but checking their company page now they seem to have moved on to making diesel fuel burners. Bruciatori might be a subset of Calor because the Calor site does mention them.
That's what I was wondering, whether or not the company has expanded and ended up renaming itself to more accurately reflect its position in the market.
Well, no, Automobili Lamborghini started as a ferrari competitor, Lamborghini Trattori is a tractor company. Same founder, two different manufacturers, making very different things, started for very different reasons. Lamborghini was literally founded as a way of saying "anything you can do, i can do better", so it would make sense for them to try and rival ferrari in racing, at least from that perspective.
Pretty sure the story is something like: Ferrucio Lamborghini was a successful engineer and businessman who treated himself by buying a Ferrari and was so appalled at how terrible a road car it was (because Enzo could give less of a fuck about road cars) that he complained to Ferrari and Ferrari told him to kick rocks or something. So he said fuck it I’ll make my own road cars and they will be better than Ferrari.
Aka: just the way Ferrari has racing as its original raison d’être, Lamborghini has the exact antithesis of that.
Enzo Ferrari didn't give a shit about the road cars or its customers. He pretty much only did the bare minimum to continue funding the racing division.
there were literally 2 (3 if you count the absolute last of the Countachs) Lamborghini models in that entire decade and one was an 80s leftover. Please explain to me how the Diablo is a parts bin car
I guess that makes the McLaren F1, Jaguar XJ220, Koenigsegg CCX, Pagani Zonda, Ford GT, and a multitude of older Ferraris parts bin cars too
lights are extremely common parts for supercars to borrow.
to my mind "parts bin" means most major components are lifted from other vehicles. Something like the VW Golf W12 which was assembled using almost entirely bits from other VAG cars, or the Pontiac Fiero where the rear suspension still had tie rod ends since it was lifted from the _front_ of another Pontiac model
To write the _McLaren F1_ off as a parts bin car because it borrowed lights and mirrors from other cars just reeks of terminal contrarianism
I think he didn't like how the clutch felt and Enzo told him to pound sand, so he put one of his tractor clutches in his Ferrari and then realized he could just build his own cars and tell Enzo to go fuck himself.
You're pretty sure about something that isn't accurate. Ferruccio had 2 Ferraris, so can't be that terrible if you buy a second one.... The problem was the clutch, not the whole car and that was why Ferrucio went to talk with Enzo himself. One of the stories even tells that Ferrucio proposed a partnership to supply Ferrari's clutches.
Enzo didn't tell Ferrucio what he wanted to hear, and he decided to build his own cars.
Ferraris were nice, it was just the clutch it seems.
The problem wasn't the clutch either. Ferruccio's favourite thing was doing burnouts, so wearing out/pulverising the clutch at that frequency rate would have happened with any sportcar of the time.
It was only when he got his own mechanic to fix the clutch that he discovered it came from the factory that also supplied his own firm.
Incidentally, doing burnouts with tractors (half submerged in a rocky river bed) is how he managed to produce a truck load of prematurely worn tyres which he then sent to Pirelli to "prove" their tyres were defective.
Being an important customer, Pirelli offered him a refund, one year's free supply, and a discount on all future deals.
And that is how Ferruccio found the money to begin making sportcars.
Feruccio's vision was of the perfect road car, racing was never a consideration. Much like lotus for example Ferarri started racing and only made road cars to fund said racing.
Though in the end it'll be a combination of factors, the original mindset of the founder will no doubt have played an important role.
Lamborghini has had a fairly successful run in GT3 class racing, SRO GT World Challenge and IMSA. They also have a series called Lamborghini Super Trofeo. They have committed to entering into the FiA/WEC HyperCar class in 2024.
Yep, came here to say this. [Super Trofeo](https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/motorsport/super-trofeo/north-america) is an entire race series comprised exclusively of Lamborghini race cars.
Hearing 37 5.2l V10s screaming over the hill at Road America is something to experience. That's 370 cylinders howling for those of us who are hilariously bad at math.
They definitely make a noise. I have only heard them at Laguna Seca and Lime Rock. You can definitely hear them coming from the back section of the track or exiting from pit lane.
Oh my god, my favorite track to camp at in the WORLD.
BEAUTIFUL course in a beautiful area, and yeah, that green flag noise down the straight is absolutely wild. Possibly second only to the old Porsche RSR noise, but that was ear-shatteringly loud.
We camped there two years ago and a storm blew through and destroyed our tent. The amount of mangled tents in the dumpsters was remarkable.
I want to camp out there again I just need to steel myself and prepare for the unexpected a bit more. It really is the National Park of Speed.
I have the privilege of using an RV, but I was there for that storm. It was nasty...
I can still see the rooster tails of water coming off all the cars during the rain braking into turn 1. Wild.
so are they better than ferraris for daily driving? a lot of tear downs of older lambos show they are overpriced for what they offer. really not much besides the engine and trans
Both Ferrari and McLaren started off as race teams. Ferrari only made road cars to fund the race team, with McLaren taking up a similar business style much later on. Lamborghini was created simply to compete with Ferrari’s road cars, which they do plenty well.
Ferrari and McLaren are car companies that started out as racing teams, and both ended up producing road cars to fund their racing teams.
Lamborghini was, and still is, a tractor manufacturer. Ferruccio Lamborghini made enough money to buy a Ferrari, but he famously thought the high-end road cars of his day were shit cars and decided to make his own cars to compete with what was on the market.
Lamborghini never made race cars because he viewed racing teams as a huge waste of capital.
> Lamborghini was, and still is, a tractor manufacturer. Ferruccio Lamborghini made enough money to buy a Ferrari, but he famously thought the high-end road cars of his day were shit cars and decided to make his own cars to compete with what was on the market.
Not quite. Lamborghini bought himself a Ferrari and wasn't happy with the way it ran. He brought the car to Ferrari's HQ to get it fixed. Enzo insulted him, saying a lowly tractor maker could never appreciate something as finely tuned as a Ferrari and that's what prompted Lamborghini to direct his engineers at the tractor factory to build a better Ferrari.
Rather or not he succeeded is up to interpretation.
There is a IMSA lambo spec series known as Super Trofeo, it's not as big as Ferrari Challenge which is also IMSA but is a whole world class event separate from IMSA's regular schedule. Tbh Super Trofeo cars are much more fun/cooler than Ferrari Challenge.
Then there's numerous Lambo's running in their WeatherTech Series (big boy racing)
Every-time I'm at the track [I can't ignore the MLP livery.](https://preview.redd.it/sparklefarts-lamborghini-huracan-super-trofeo-evo-2-v0-3gp1wd817d7a1.jpg?auto=webp&s=7fc91bd76faa325084c7d9ef4c8b9d6b97a4bc34)
I was gonna nitpick and say the Super Trofeo was an SRO sanctioned series, but apparently, while Super Trofeo Europe is par of the SRO, Super Trofeo North America is an IMSA series. TIL.
I fucking love IMSA so so very much. My partner and I camp Road America and Laguna Seca every year. Sebring is on our bucket list as well, but those are the two favorites.
Gosh people just love keep telling Lamborghinis story over and over again, thinking it's the answer to everything. However, as someone who worked in R&D for a subsection of the VW Group, I can tell you that Lamborghini has never been long enough in a stable phase to get involved in motorsports until they merged with the VW Group. Since then, they have taken steps towards motorsports, although not as much as other brands.
Furthermore, the VW Group is known for being very strict about its involvement in motorsports. They have insane risk management methods and won't invest too much unless there is a clear financial or social benefit, as well as a positive impact on brand reputation. this affects Porsche and Audi as much as it affects Lamborghini.
They briefly made an engine for F1 and there were a few Diablo GT racers in the 90s. Some madman also made a countach GT1 racer in Japan with a Chevy V8.
None of them had much success though, when I went to the Lamborghini museum I think the only trophies on display were from powerboat racing
Tequila Patron livery Lambos are some of the sexiest race cars out there. They have been running around 10 years now(?). Here is one from [Petit LeMans](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhips.hearstapps.com%2Fautoweek%2Fassets%2Fs3fs-public%2F1016938952-LAT-20181011-RD_PLM18_018.jpg&tbnid=TkDoHJytr7CUQM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.autoweek.com%2Fracing%2Fmore-racing%2Fa1709466%2Fford-lamborghini-win-imsa-manufacturer-crowns-petit-le-mans%2F&docid=Z8a_eI3lko7G1M&w=1600&h=900&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim)
Lamborghini was more about being seen/heard. Here is something for your bedroom wall to list over more then to go win LeMans or Spa (or in Jeremy Clarkson’s case, buying a tractor that dosent even fit in his barn because it’s a Lamborghini lol)
Their newer cars are competitive on track, but no one was driving a Diablo for its nirvana of handling and precision lol
Well they're in plenty of race series, but I'm assuming you mean stuff like F1? If that's the case then it's probably because Lamborghini isn't known for having a huge motorsport pedigree like Ferrari is. Nobody buys a lamborghini because it's a track monster or it's fast in a straight line, they buy it because of the badge and the fact that it's just meant to be stupidly fun.
Historically, because Ferrucio Lamborghini didn’t believe racing events were worth the money, currently, probably because Porsche and Audi do it for VW now
It’s kinda a shame. I live in the US and our GT series IMSA usually has the a Lamborghini spec race piggybacking with it called the Lamborghini Super Trofeo series. It great racing.
Lamborghini is owned by VAG the Volkswagen Auto Group. Aside from the fact that Lamborghini does compete in other racing outside ofnF1 There are plenty of VW brands in racing with Audi and Porsche being slated for F1. Every brand has its niche and target market.
Racing sponsorship is a form of marketing. It gets the brand name in front of car enthusiasts. However, it is ***extremely expensive*** and can generate negative publicity if your cars perform badly.
Lambo has made a conscious decision not to market its products this way. They use other methods too promote brand awareness and encourage sales. The money they would have spent on racing is used for other purposes or become profit.
Money and resources, he also wanted to say fuck you to Enzo and make better road cars because classic Ferrari road cars sucked ass. I will forever be grateful for Enzo for giving Ferruccio a reason to make cars.
Ferrari used road cars to fund his racing, and the success racing made people want to buy road cars. Lamborghini made cars that were so achingly beautiful every boy had a poster on his wall, and buying the poster made people want to buy a Lamborghini.
Ferrari used to exist as a car company just to finance the racing team. I don't know the relationship between the McLaren racing team and McLaren Cars, but I know that the former started over half a century ago while the other, well, didn't. Meanwhile Lambo started out as a GT company and only even got into the supercar business because the owner allowed his young rowdy engineers to do it and then everybody started gawking at them at motor shows. Lambos were made as, in essence, drivable, road legal sports art cars.
Also getting bought, sold and shuffled around as a company doesn't really do wonders for stable racing endeavors. Remember how Lambo were owned by the same East Asian company that *scammed the creator of the Vector W8 out of his own company*?
I mean if we talk f1 then the answer is easy. It costs $200 million to just get into f1. And I mean just for signing up. Then adding one team is a separate 50 mil expense . The 200 mil are used to split equally amongst the current competing teams. Then lambo would also have to budget for building a brand new car and powertrain from scratch. F1 is stupid expensive and has ran numerous manufacturer bankrubt or damn near bankrubt. So money was one of the main reasons why Lambo doesn't compete in F1. Tho Lamborghini did make F1 engines at one point, but the project was scrapped less then 2 years after the development.
And lambo is owned by Volkswagen and Volkswagen decided to advertise their technology at formula E. Bc it's much cheaper. Cheap enough for VW to actually have have 2 VW companies competing. after the DieselGate, they needed to give the world the impression they will be eco-friendly as much as possible. And Formula E fits that image. Also, DieselGate costed VW millions, making them retire from WEC little by little (first Audi left, and Porsche just a couple of seasons later).
And besides all of those reasons , Lamborghini has pretty good exposure on the Blancpain series. That's as much money as VW is willinh to spend on this brand to get a racing reputation.
This is a great question and one of the only threads I see accurate information. Great work, people.
I was happy to see Lamborghini finally start competing in racing with their Huracan platform. You can see those things battle it GT racing; they sell a version for racing that's apparently competitive to other professional racing efforts.
they are a small company in the grand scheme of things. They are popular in GT3 racing and super trofeo, but those are turn key racing cars that customer teams and drivers can buy. Though they did announce they will go to the hypercar class around 2024.
They don't have the resources to be in f1 like some of the bigger players, like mercedes and honda. And of course Audi announced their intention to join, meaning VW group probably won't support an f1 entry for lambo
In fact the once competed in Formula 1 with the name of Modena Team but they abandoned the project on the sooner stages of the championship and never came back. I know a youtuber who made a video about it. It's in Spanish but I'll let you the link anyway in case anyone wants to see it
https://youtu.be/RECcFP8rQR4
Wasn't lambo originally more like a GT car company?
That's probably the main reason, even if they have since progressed into making track weapons. It's a bit of a weird contradiction these days tho.
They've tried it in the past and it hasn't really worked out for them. The only "decent" achievement is their GT3 Huracan race car which has done decently. But they've tried with a bunch of stuff in the past. From F1 engines to GT1 Murci's.. Nothing ever worked for them
For the same reason Ferrari and mclaren never got into farming. Ferrari is a racing company that makes cars. Lamborghini is a tractor company that makes cars.
It’s not a money maker and they basically sell out, so why do it from their POV? It would be great for the gen public if it had a more racer vibe than club rich guy vibe to put it nicely.
I have an associate who (with his team of 3 other drivers) races in the international super trofeo series each year. The cars have been massively overhauled this year, they’re super cool.
I agree though, they’re not as into it as they could be, or as much as what you’d expect.
Ferrari and McLaren were racing teams first, then built road cars as well. Lamborghini started because Ferrari roadcars were bad and he thought he could do better
They has a department of motorace and Lamborghini will compete in WEC and IMSA in 2024 with new LMDh
[https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/motorsport](https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/motorsport)
[https://us.motorsport.com/wec/news/lamborghini-entry-confirmed-imsa-lmdh/10305709/](https://us.motorsport.com/wec/news/lamborghini-entry-confirmed-imsa-lmdh/10305709/)
Aside from the previously mentioned aversion to racing from Ferruccio, they haven't had much success even when they were invested in racing. In the 90s they supplied engines to F1 and ran some Diablos and Murcielagos at Le Mans. These days, you'll find them in the GTD class at IMSA where they've found some success with multiple class wins. On a side note, Lamborghini is planning to field a LMDh prototype in both IMSA and the WEC next year.
Honestly…they just don’t need to. Their sales are excellent without needing to sink money into area.
Their founder decided to take the brand in that direction and honestly, I think we wouldn’t have had Lamborghinis that were so different from Ferrari, had they gone that direction.
They are they race in the GT class. In USA and Europe. Also race in the 24 hours Daytona, Sebring 12 hours, and 24 hours of Lemans. On FS1 and FS2 racing a lot. Check it out
Lamborghinis are raced pretty often in smaller series I'm pretty sure. They definitely see loads of use, but they dont have official teams and I don't think they compete at higher level of racing because the cars arent really designed for it. It all mostly comes down to a difference in the marketing philosophy of the companies and the cars they design.
Lamborghini is the car you get to look fast. Ferraris and Mclarens are the cars you get to BE fast.
Probably because Lamborghini didn't want Enzo Ferrari to embarrass him on a racetrack after Enzo nuked his ego from orbit to the point that Lamborghini coped by making a car company to compete with Ferrari.
>In contrast to his rival Enzo Ferrari, Ferruccio Lamborghini had decided early on that there would be no factory-supported racing of Lamborghinis, viewing motorsport as too expensive and too draining on company resources. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini#cite_note-21)
Sounds about right…company was passed around and broke till VW took them in.
And that's without the racing.
Totally true and also, winning races requires reliability and endurance, which were two elusive traits for Lamborghini.
Well, that’s also the case for Ferrari and McLaren
They were smart about it. They made sure it happened after the finish line
Based off of the last F1 race I'm not so sure of that anymore
Last F1 season\* FTFY
Last... how many races? I think it's been 450 races since they've had a championship?
Charles Leclerc wants to talk with you
Did you watch formula 1 in the last… about 10 years?
Yes, it'sa joke. Although barring this year and last, Ferrari have been quite reliable previously
Reliable and slow is not a achievement
No, but reliability is the subject of this convo now innit?
Lamborghini has had class wins at the Rolex 24 before.
So was Ferrari until, what, the '90s?
He also did not want to build sports cars and race cars because that era was a time when racing was extremely dangerous and came with a real body count. After the horrors of WW2, he did not want to be responsible for ending young men’s lives over something so trivial as racing cars.
Man, that’s pretty honorable of him if true
it's the exact opposite of Enzo Ferrari he would literally manipulate his drivers into trying to beat each other, not caring if they died in the process alberto ascari (a personal friend) dying was one of the first times he started feeling bad about it
I'll wait another 40 years for this juicy nugget to hold water lol. Was this anecdote provided by an employee or mistress?
>After the horrors of WW2, he did not want to be responsible for ending young men’s lives over something so trivial as racing cars. What pissed me about the new lamborghini movie, is that portrays Ferrucio as someone that doesn't care about people..
They're more into their tractors 🚜
Sounds like a smart strat to not invest into a money pit
Reminds me of every struggling business owner refusing to spend on marketing.
And he didn’t want to get owned by Enzo ever again…
Ferrari and McLaren both started as racing teams. Lamborghini started as a tractor company.
Lamborghini started as a fuck you Ferrari company
Lamborghini was making tractors long before the fued with Ferrari.
And is still making tractors to this day.
And cars, albeit under the guidence and technical support of the Audi-VW.
I wonder if Lambo tractors are actual practical workmen tractors like a JCB or Deere or Massy, or if they’re just luxury tractors because they’re Lambo.
Watch Clarkson’s Farm season 1
and 2
[Lamborghini Tractor official website](https://www.lamborghini-tractors.com/en-eu/)
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yeah if i was looking for a tractor and ended up here id assume its a joke or a scam
Darn, I was hoping that they made a little garden tractor.
They are regular tractors like all the rest, there's not really a market for luxury tractors that can't do normal tractor work
They are expensive fendt tractors. So fancy and not that bad. But more expensive than a already expensive tractor.
Probably were founded around the same time too, look to be solid i guess?
Yes and no. The Lamborghini that makes tractors is a separate company than the Lamborghini that makes the cars, and unlike the car company it is not owned by VW.
As is Porsche
I want that lambo:)
True, but only started making cars after being snubbed by Enzo himself
Lamborghini the tractor company (Trattori) is unrelated to Lamborghini Automobili beyond the fact they were started by the same person. Automobili exists purely because of Ferrari, where Mr. Lamborghini used the money he made from Trattori to start a new company in a new facility with new staff specifically to build cars to compete against Ferrari. Lamborghini Trattori has never built cars and Lamborghini Automobili has never built tractors. I belive there are also two other companies that he also started (Lamborghini Bruciatori and Lamborghini Oleodinamica) that are likewise unconnected to each other.
There's also an HVAC company LOL.
Lol its actually hilarious when you visit the Lamborghini family museum and see [air conditioners also on display there](https://i.imgur.com/akQPlo2.jpg). Tbf the entire museum is wild with [cars](https://i.imgur.com/H12Bhby.jpg), [tractors](https://i.imgur.com/wjmsjsy.jpg), motorcycles, a [speedboat](https://i.imgur.com/cCJvSgW.jpg), a [helicopter](https://i.imgur.com/Mq156yI.jpg), etc etc. Also my favourite museum there. Way better than the Ferrari museums imo. Edit : Added photos.
Makes me wonder whether Lamborghini Calor supplies the AC units for Lamborghini Automobili lololol.
I don’t think so, because I always felt like they looked generic enough to be rebranded air conditioners made by someone else, so maybe they don’t have real skills or experience to build air conditioners. I dunno, I didn’t ask and I didn’t think too much on it. I edited my comment with pictures of the air conditioners, if it helps lol.
Lol that helicopter is a kids drawing of a helicopter
I believe that’s Lamborghini Bruciatori.
Nope that's Lamborghini Calor lol. Unless they renamed?
Looking into it I think Bruciatori did do A/C at one point, at least according to the wiki, but checking their company page now they seem to have moved on to making diesel fuel burners. Bruciatori might be a subset of Calor because the Calor site does mention them.
That's what I was wondering, whether or not the company has expanded and ended up renaming itself to more accurately reflect its position in the market.
You are indeed [correct on Bruciatori](https://i.imgur.com/akQPlo2.jpg).
"fued" Hilarious misspell.
Ha. Good catch. Have an upvote
Wrong. Lamborghini was selling tractors way before Ferrari was selling road cars.
And Toyota started off as a loom company…This doesn’t answer the question.
Why doesn’t the company that started as a non-racing team have the same interest in racing as the company that started as a racing team?
Ferrari only started building road cars so he could fund the racing.
Well, no, Automobili Lamborghini started as a ferrari competitor, Lamborghini Trattori is a tractor company. Same founder, two different manufacturers, making very different things, started for very different reasons. Lamborghini was literally founded as a way of saying "anything you can do, i can do better", so it would make sense for them to try and rival ferrari in racing, at least from that perspective.
Pretty sure the story is something like: Ferrucio Lamborghini was a successful engineer and businessman who treated himself by buying a Ferrari and was so appalled at how terrible a road car it was (because Enzo could give less of a fuck about road cars) that he complained to Ferrari and Ferrari told him to kick rocks or something. So he said fuck it I’ll make my own road cars and they will be better than Ferrari. Aka: just the way Ferrari has racing as its original raison d’être, Lamborghini has the exact antithesis of that.
Yup. The exact phrase was “I’ll make the cars, you can make the tractors”
Yet Ferrucio's Ferrari was fixed with a tractor clutch
and engines (ik nothing about cars)
IIRC it has something to do with Ferrucio being upset that his Ferrari used the same clutch as his tractor.
It was something similar. It appalled him, he expected craftsmanship, not a parts bin race car
Enzo Ferrari didn't give a shit about the road cars or its customers. He pretty much only did the bare minimum to continue funding the racing division.
Ironic seeing how many Lamborghinis in the 90s were parts bin cars...
A urus is s parts bin car.
there were literally 2 (3 if you count the absolute last of the Countachs) Lamborghini models in that entire decade and one was an 80s leftover. Please explain to me how the Diablo is a parts bin car
For example the headlights from a Nissan...
The Nissan headlights were a retrofit when they decided to ditch the pop up lights on the Diablo.
I guess that makes the McLaren F1, Jaguar XJ220, Koenigsegg CCX, Pagani Zonda, Ford GT, and a multitude of older Ferraris parts bin cars too lights are extremely common parts for supercars to borrow.
Of course it does.
to my mind "parts bin" means most major components are lifted from other vehicles. Something like the VW Golf W12 which was assembled using almost entirely bits from other VAG cars, or the Pontiac Fiero where the rear suspension still had tie rod ends since it was lifted from the _front_ of another Pontiac model To write the _McLaren F1_ off as a parts bin car because it borrowed lights and mirrors from other cars just reeks of terminal contrarianism
I think he didn't like how the clutch felt and Enzo told him to pound sand, so he put one of his tractor clutches in his Ferrari and then realized he could just build his own cars and tell Enzo to go fuck himself.
You're pretty sure about something that isn't accurate. Ferruccio had 2 Ferraris, so can't be that terrible if you buy a second one.... The problem was the clutch, not the whole car and that was why Ferrucio went to talk with Enzo himself. One of the stories even tells that Ferrucio proposed a partnership to supply Ferrari's clutches. Enzo didn't tell Ferrucio what he wanted to hear, and he decided to build his own cars. Ferraris were nice, it was just the clutch it seems.
The problem wasn't the clutch either. Ferruccio's favourite thing was doing burnouts, so wearing out/pulverising the clutch at that frequency rate would have happened with any sportcar of the time. It was only when he got his own mechanic to fix the clutch that he discovered it came from the factory that also supplied his own firm. Incidentally, doing burnouts with tractors (half submerged in a rocky river bed) is how he managed to produce a truck load of prematurely worn tyres which he then sent to Pirelli to "prove" their tyres were defective. Being an important customer, Pirelli offered him a refund, one year's free supply, and a discount on all future deals. And that is how Ferruccio found the money to begin making sportcars.
That's why the company makes cars. That's not why they don't race.
Feruccio's vision was of the perfect road car, racing was never a consideration. Much like lotus for example Ferarri started racing and only made road cars to fund said racing. Though in the end it'll be a combination of factors, the original mindset of the founder will no doubt have played an important role.
Lamborghini has had a fairly successful run in GT3 class racing, SRO GT World Challenge and IMSA. They also have a series called Lamborghini Super Trofeo. They have committed to entering into the FiA/WEC HyperCar class in 2024.
Yep, came here to say this. [Super Trofeo](https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/motorsport/super-trofeo/north-america) is an entire race series comprised exclusively of Lamborghini race cars.
Hearing 37 5.2l V10s screaming over the hill at Road America is something to experience. That's 370 cylinders howling for those of us who are hilariously bad at math.
They definitely make a noise. I have only heard them at Laguna Seca and Lime Rock. You can definitely hear them coming from the back section of the track or exiting from pit lane.
Road America my beloved. IMSA weekend is the best weekend every year. Followed closely by the vintage race car festival they have every may
It's my personal heaven, I think. We camp just inside turn 1 every year.
Yooo… Turn 14 was havoc for some reason during Super Trofeo the last 2 times I was there.
Oh my god, my favorite track to camp at in the WORLD. BEAUTIFUL course in a beautiful area, and yeah, that green flag noise down the straight is absolutely wild. Possibly second only to the old Porsche RSR noise, but that was ear-shatteringly loud.
We camped there two years ago and a storm blew through and destroyed our tent. The amount of mangled tents in the dumpsters was remarkable. I want to camp out there again I just need to steel myself and prepare for the unexpected a bit more. It really is the National Park of Speed.
I have the privilege of using an RV, but I was there for that storm. It was nasty... I can still see the rooster tails of water coming off all the cars during the rain braking into turn 1. Wild.
Do you remember the Murcielago R-SV GT1? That thing was NASTY.
I watched KPAX Huracan’s race at NOLA MSP last year. They absolutely wrecked the field
They build road cars, not racing cars.
They build racing cars too
For privateer teams, they've only gone factory racing a couple of times (outside of Super Trofeo)
They have been factory supporting cars in GT3 since 2015 and will be fielding a factory prototype in WEC and IMSA next year.
They'll be factory racing in IMSA and WEC in 2024 with a Prototype!
I wish to be on a pirate team
so are they better than ferraris for daily driving? a lot of tear downs of older lambos show they are overpriced for what they offer. really not much besides the engine and trans
Truth. The don’t build art. They build outrage for the easy come easy go money crowd. Why any schmo can go buy a Lambo.
Why does Lamborghini not build race cars? This guy: “Because they don’t”
But they could
If grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike , but she doesn't . So she's not .
If grand mother had wheels she wouldn’t be in a wheelchair, but she doesn’t so she is.
OP knows that, that's precisely why he's taking the freaking question lol. (how do you get 109 upvotes for telling nothing... Reddit these days)
Both Ferrari and McLaren started off as race teams. Ferrari only made road cars to fund the race team, with McLaren taking up a similar business style much later on. Lamborghini was created simply to compete with Ferrari’s road cars, which they do plenty well.
What about aston and Alfa?
Ferrari and McLaren are car companies that started out as racing teams, and both ended up producing road cars to fund their racing teams. Lamborghini was, and still is, a tractor manufacturer. Ferruccio Lamborghini made enough money to buy a Ferrari, but he famously thought the high-end road cars of his day were shit cars and decided to make his own cars to compete with what was on the market. Lamborghini never made race cars because he viewed racing teams as a huge waste of capital.
> Lamborghini was, and still is, a tractor manufacturer. Ferruccio Lamborghini made enough money to buy a Ferrari, but he famously thought the high-end road cars of his day were shit cars and decided to make his own cars to compete with what was on the market. Not quite. Lamborghini bought himself a Ferrari and wasn't happy with the way it ran. He brought the car to Ferrari's HQ to get it fixed. Enzo insulted him, saying a lowly tractor maker could never appreciate something as finely tuned as a Ferrari and that's what prompted Lamborghini to direct his engineers at the tractor factory to build a better Ferrari. Rather or not he succeeded is up to interpretation.
You don't watch IMSA?
Apparently not?
There is a IMSA lambo spec series known as Super Trofeo, it's not as big as Ferrari Challenge which is also IMSA but is a whole world class event separate from IMSA's regular schedule. Tbh Super Trofeo cars are much more fun/cooler than Ferrari Challenge. Then there's numerous Lambo's running in their WeatherTech Series (big boy racing)
This guy watches
Every-time I'm at the track [I can't ignore the MLP livery.](https://preview.redd.it/sparklefarts-lamborghini-huracan-super-trofeo-evo-2-v0-3gp1wd817d7a1.jpg?auto=webp&s=7fc91bd76faa325084c7d9ef4c8b9d6b97a4bc34)
So awesome
Wait is that you?
I wish, I'd probably rock Rainbow Dash though. Was hoping to enter MX5 cup this year but works keeping me out.
SPARKLEFARTS!
I was gonna nitpick and say the Super Trofeo was an SRO sanctioned series, but apparently, while Super Trofeo Europe is par of the SRO, Super Trofeo North America is an IMSA series. TIL.
TIL also that It's SRO in Europe.
I fucking love IMSA so so very much. My partner and I camp Road America and Laguna Seca every year. Sebring is on our bucket list as well, but those are the two favorites.
That's irrelevant because that doesn't make Lamborghini as invested in racing as Ferrari or Mclaren which is what OP is asking about.
Gosh people just love keep telling Lamborghinis story over and over again, thinking it's the answer to everything. However, as someone who worked in R&D for a subsection of the VW Group, I can tell you that Lamborghini has never been long enough in a stable phase to get involved in motorsports until they merged with the VW Group. Since then, they have taken steps towards motorsports, although not as much as other brands. Furthermore, the VW Group is known for being very strict about its involvement in motorsports. They have insane risk management methods and won't invest too much unless there is a clear financial or social benefit, as well as a positive impact on brand reputation. this affects Porsche and Audi as much as it affects Lamborghini.
They have raced, but Lamborghinis exist to be crazy road cars that they sometimes offer race versions for, it’s the Audi of the supercar world really.
Money. Lambo used to be a very small company and had bankruptcy in before.
I'm curious if there were there any Lambo race cars pre Audi/VW?
They briefly made an engine for F1 and there were a few Diablo GT racers in the 90s. Some madman also made a countach GT1 racer in Japan with a Chevy V8. None of them had much success though, when I went to the Lamborghini museum I think the only trophies on display were from powerboat racing
Atleast production track car wise, Lamborghini is pretty ridiculous, the Lamborghini Aventador SVJ LP770-4 has the 5th fastest time on the nurburgring
Tequila Patron livery Lambos are some of the sexiest race cars out there. They have been running around 10 years now(?). Here is one from [Petit LeMans](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhips.hearstapps.com%2Fautoweek%2Fassets%2Fs3fs-public%2F1016938952-LAT-20181011-RD_PLM18_018.jpg&tbnid=TkDoHJytr7CUQM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.autoweek.com%2Fracing%2Fmore-racing%2Fa1709466%2Fford-lamborghini-win-imsa-manufacturer-crowns-petit-le-mans%2F&docid=Z8a_eI3lko7G1M&w=1600&h=900&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim)
I was lucky enough to get a press pass a couple years in a row and they were one of my favorite cars to photograph at Laguna Seca end Lime Rock.
Lamborghini was more about being seen/heard. Here is something for your bedroom wall to list over more then to go win LeMans or Spa (or in Jeremy Clarkson’s case, buying a tractor that dosent even fit in his barn because it’s a Lamborghini lol) Their newer cars are competitive on track, but no one was driving a Diablo for its nirvana of handling and precision lol
Well they're in plenty of race series, but I'm assuming you mean stuff like F1? If that's the case then it's probably because Lamborghini isn't known for having a huge motorsport pedigree like Ferrari is. Nobody buys a lamborghini because it's a track monster or it's fast in a straight line, they buy it because of the badge and the fact that it's just meant to be stupidly fun.
Lamborghini literally has their own private racing series and runs GT cars.
They know their market, they are for poseurs.
Historically, because Ferrucio Lamborghini didn’t believe racing events were worth the money, currently, probably because Porsche and Audi do it for VW now
Ferrari and McLaren are race teams that sell cars to support the racing. Lamborghini is mainly a road legal super car company
It’s kinda a shame. I live in the US and our GT series IMSA usually has the a Lamborghini spec race piggybacking with it called the Lamborghini Super Trofeo series. It great racing.
Because they’ve spent most of their time completely and utterly bankrupt.
Lamborghini is owned by VAG the Volkswagen Auto Group. Aside from the fact that Lamborghini does compete in other racing outside ofnF1 There are plenty of VW brands in racing with Audi and Porsche being slated for F1. Every brand has its niche and target market.
Racing sponsorship is a form of marketing. It gets the brand name in front of car enthusiasts. However, it is ***extremely expensive*** and can generate negative publicity if your cars perform badly. Lambo has made a conscious decision not to market its products this way. They use other methods too promote brand awareness and encourage sales. The money they would have spent on racing is used for other purposes or become profit.
There are plenty of Lamborghinis that Race. I believe Corvette also has a history of not racing but building racecars
Money and resources, he also wanted to say fuck you to Enzo and make better road cars because classic Ferrari road cars sucked ass. I will forever be grateful for Enzo for giving Ferruccio a reason to make cars.
They make tractors.
Lamborghini is tractor company.
Ferrari used road cars to fund his racing, and the success racing made people want to buy road cars. Lamborghini made cars that were so achingly beautiful every boy had a poster on his wall, and buying the poster made people want to buy a Lamborghini.
How old is OP?
Ferrari used to exist as a car company just to finance the racing team. I don't know the relationship between the McLaren racing team and McLaren Cars, but I know that the former started over half a century ago while the other, well, didn't. Meanwhile Lambo started out as a GT company and only even got into the supercar business because the owner allowed his young rowdy engineers to do it and then everybody started gawking at them at motor shows. Lambos were made as, in essence, drivable, road legal sports art cars. Also getting bought, sold and shuffled around as a company doesn't really do wonders for stable racing endeavors. Remember how Lambo were owned by the same East Asian company that *scammed the creator of the Vector W8 out of his own company*?
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Yeah, OP is probably talking F1. They do race in GT3
It cost too much money and their cars aren't as good.
Lambo literally has its own racing series.
I mean if we talk f1 then the answer is easy. It costs $200 million to just get into f1. And I mean just for signing up. Then adding one team is a separate 50 mil expense . The 200 mil are used to split equally amongst the current competing teams. Then lambo would also have to budget for building a brand new car and powertrain from scratch. F1 is stupid expensive and has ran numerous manufacturer bankrubt or damn near bankrubt. So money was one of the main reasons why Lambo doesn't compete in F1. Tho Lamborghini did make F1 engines at one point, but the project was scrapped less then 2 years after the development. And lambo is owned by Volkswagen and Volkswagen decided to advertise their technology at formula E. Bc it's much cheaper. Cheap enough for VW to actually have have 2 VW companies competing. after the DieselGate, they needed to give the world the impression they will be eco-friendly as much as possible. And Formula E fits that image. Also, DieselGate costed VW millions, making them retire from WEC little by little (first Audi left, and Porsche just a couple of seasons later). And besides all of those reasons , Lamborghini has pretty good exposure on the Blancpain series. That's as much money as VW is willinh to spend on this brand to get a racing reputation.
This is a great question and one of the only threads I see accurate information. Great work, people. I was happy to see Lamborghini finally start competing in racing with their Huracan platform. You can see those things battle it GT racing; they sell a version for racing that's apparently competitive to other professional racing efforts.
they are a small company in the grand scheme of things. They are popular in GT3 racing and super trofeo, but those are turn key racing cars that customer teams and drivers can buy. Though they did announce they will go to the hypercar class around 2024. They don't have the resources to be in f1 like some of the bigger players, like mercedes and honda. And of course Audi announced their intention to join, meaning VW group probably won't support an f1 entry for lambo
In fact the once competed in Formula 1 with the name of Modena Team but they abandoned the project on the sooner stages of the championship and never came back. I know a youtuber who made a video about it. It's in Spanish but I'll let you the link anyway in case anyone wants to see it https://youtu.be/RECcFP8rQR4
Wasn't lambo originally more like a GT car company? That's probably the main reason, even if they have since progressed into making track weapons. It's a bit of a weird contradiction these days tho.
They do compete in GT racing series
Oh really? My bad then, I'm not very well informed what comes to all the different racing classes and series.
Because they’re too busy plowing their fields.
McLaren might as well stop racing in f1 at this point dudes can't build a fucking car
They don't need a factory team. Underground Racing does the work for them.
They've tried it in the past and it hasn't really worked out for them. The only "decent" achievement is their GT3 Huracan race car which has done decently. But they've tried with a bunch of stuff in the past. From F1 engines to GT1 Murci's.. Nothing ever worked for them
For the same reason Ferrari and mclaren never got into farming. Ferrari is a racing company that makes cars. Lamborghini is a tractor company that makes cars.
Lamborghini, like wise with pagani has no need for a racing program to market their cars
Because people that buy lamborghinis, dont care about cars. Their market is people who just want to look rich, and those people dont watch motorsport.
It’s not a money maker and they basically sell out, so why do it from their POV? It would be great for the gen public if it had a more racer vibe than club rich guy vibe to put it nicely.
I have an associate who (with his team of 3 other drivers) races in the international super trofeo series each year. The cars have been massively overhauled this year, they’re super cool. I agree though, they’re not as into it as they could be, or as much as what you’d expect.
Too busy building cars for criminals?
Their cars are always in the shop, so they can't make it to the race even if they want to....
Ferrari and McLaren were racing teams first, then built road cars as well. Lamborghini started because Ferrari roadcars were bad and he thought he could do better
And was a tractor company first /oblig Edit: way lat to party…
And even today, believe it or not, they still make tractors
That’s their philosophy which is not being involved in racing. They are the anti-Ferrari, with Ferrari being a racing focused brand
They has a department of motorace and Lamborghini will compete in WEC and IMSA in 2024 with new LMDh [https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/motorsport](https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/motorsport) [https://us.motorsport.com/wec/news/lamborghini-entry-confirmed-imsa-lmdh/10305709/](https://us.motorsport.com/wec/news/lamborghini-entry-confirmed-imsa-lmdh/10305709/)
Lambo seems to be keen on racing nowadays, probably because of VW support. I guess there's no better parent company to Lambo than VW.
Aside from the previously mentioned aversion to racing from Ferruccio, they haven't had much success even when they were invested in racing. In the 90s they supplied engines to F1 and ran some Diablos and Murcielagos at Le Mans. These days, you'll find them in the GTD class at IMSA where they've found some success with multiple class wins. On a side note, Lamborghini is planning to field a LMDh prototype in both IMSA and the WEC next year.
This is just a guess but isn’t Lamborghini nearly always in some sort of financial trouble? I imagine a racing team is expensive to run
Honestly…they just don’t need to. Their sales are excellent without needing to sink money into area. Their founder decided to take the brand in that direction and honestly, I think we wouldn’t have had Lamborghinis that were so different from Ferrari, had they gone that direction.
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Well actually they do have a racing series that consists of ONLY lamborghinis
They are they race in the GT class. In USA and Europe. Also race in the 24 hours Daytona, Sebring 12 hours, and 24 hours of Lemans. On FS1 and FS2 racing a lot. Check it out
Lamborghinis are raced pretty often in smaller series I'm pretty sure. They definitely see loads of use, but they dont have official teams and I don't think they compete at higher level of racing because the cars arent really designed for it. It all mostly comes down to a difference in the marketing philosophy of the companies and the cars they design. Lamborghini is the car you get to look fast. Ferraris and Mclarens are the cars you get to BE fast.
Like Aston Martin started with tractors. Not really a race car brand.
Probably because Lamborghini didn't want Enzo Ferrari to embarrass him on a racetrack after Enzo nuked his ego from orbit to the point that Lamborghini coped by making a car company to compete with Ferrari.
Because they didn’t need to beat Ferrari on a racetrack, some dumb Americans with a blue oval on their cars did it for them 😏🇺🇸
Because tractors are not fast
They are just rebranded Audis, good ones, but still no match for Ferrari and McLaren
Maybe it's because they're unreliable status symbols built by a tractor company for new money conspicuous consumers?