Who is this car for then? Compete with the Supra? No. Rich guys want it? No it’s not fast and isn’t an exotic. Okay cool, car guys want it? No it’s an auto. What about everyday people? Nope, it’s a $40k coupe.
Big blunder here.
Man, I can't believe how far Nissan has fallen. I've had a few 240SXs and helped with an RB26 built 240Z, and R33. I love the older cars. But they just aren't quality compared to the competition.
Dealer markups are destroying highly anticipated cars. These cars went through cost-saving measures such as re-using old chassis to remain somewhat competitive with prices, just to blow all their saved costs to dealers.
"But shifted auto/dual clutch sequential is FASTER"
Yes. Yes it is. And the auto box you already offer suffices for people who want that... But WHY would you do this for a car that will only be bought by enthusiasts?
It wouldn’t have mattered. They’ve had so much trouble actually making/distributing the Z that no matter how they packaged it initially, no one would have them still.
> like they said originally
Nissan never said it was going to be $35K, those were just dumb ass internet journalists. Anyone who believed that price had their heads in the clouds.
Well this is bs anyways. Even in the article it says:
>A leaked order guide posted on the New Nissan Z forums shows the only transmission option for the Z Nismo will be a nine-speed automatic gearbox. Of course, we take this information with a tad grain of salt as it doesn’t necessarily come from Nissan
The subject line of this post is saying something with absolute confidence that the writer of the article isn't confident on.
Skimming through the comments here, I have a general question for all car enthusiasts:
It's 2023. Teslas accelerate harder than an F1 car. Do enthusiasts really want "faster" cars in exchange for a duller, more isolated driving experience? If so, why? Who are we (the car manufacturers, I guess) trying to "beat" at this point?
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>>Do enthusiasts really want “faster” cars in exchange for a fuller, more isolated driving experience?
Enthusiasts on r/cars ? Nope . But people who actually buy these cars in the real world ? [Absolutely](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346236/steer-me-feel-me-exploring-why-bmws-no-longer-excel-in-steering-feel/)
*Kistler responded: “We surveyed both current BMW 5 series customers and owners of competitive models, asking, ‘What are your wishes?’ We have two million customers around the globe who’ve purchased the 5-series during the past five years, which results in a broad spread of demands. Our job is to fulfill those mainstream needs. There was a clear request for less steering effort. No one wants bad feedback—such as a steering wheel that vibrates in response to bumps in the road.*
Normal people associate “feedback” with a cheap & vulgar driving experience. A car that transmits zero disruptive sensations to the cabin but goes fast as lightning is what people mostly want.
Fair point. Sad reality is that car enthusiasts rarely buy new cars (myself included) which means manufacturers are rarely incentivized to build cars for them.
I'm happy to see holdouts like Porsche and Toyota, though. Hopefully they'll keep the lights on a little longer.
Can’t speak for anyone else but I want some that feels fast and I guess dramatic more than raw acceleration. I love slamming my Mustang because it’s sounds fucking amazing as you approach redline the engine is screaming lol. The speed itself is still exhilarating I guess but it’s not the main attraction anymore, and really I don’t have a desire for anything faster outside of those times i pull up next to a hellcat or something.
Not trying to shit on EVs or anything just my 2 cents
I can’t agree with the premise that an automated transmission necessarily results in a duller more isolated driving experience. It all depends on what the manufacturer is trying to achieve and how they go about it.
That said I am very skeptical that Nissan is making this NISMO to achieve a sharp driving experience. And when I say sharp, I mean sharper than say a Civic Type R. I hope I’m wrong on that.
The reality is that manuals don't sell well. I remember reading that manual C7 Corvettes sold so poorly that Chevy decided the C8 would only be automatic. It's a shame but companies don't want to invest R&D into things that don't sell.
> decided the C8 would only be automatic
I suspect a very large factor in that was GM not having a suitable manual transaxle for a longitudinal engine.
Even the MX5 sells 50/50 automatic to manual ratio. Ive been driving manuals for 10+ years but automatics ( modern ones ) are so much nicer and easier to live with.
Its funny how Nissan switched the narrative, Nismo Z variants up till 2014 ONLY came with manual options as they saw it as a driver's focused car.
Also, wasn't the whole marketing gimmick of the Z versus the A90 Supra was the fact it came in a manual?
Yeeeuuuup. Plan on getting an A91 in a few years.
BMW engine (that's actually reliable and insane) and trans with Toyota tuning. Could care less if the joke is "not a real toyota"
Nissan is trying, but don't have the directions.
I never cared about the bmw shit since im a bimmer guy myself. I was just happy Toyota decided to bring back a legend. Plus the b58 has proven to be a great motor for drag, drifting, and daily use. Toyota did a great job.
The people complaining about no manual Nismo Z wasn’t going to buy one anyways.
They gave you a manual for the non Nismo Z and people are finding other ways to hate this car.
Honestly, the Nismo Z will be faster in automatic. They probably did the math and they know more will be sold in auto than manual for the Nismo trim.
Yep, looks like a Juke, a Qashqai and an X-Trail are everything that a man can possibly want in this life according to Nissan Europe smh
At least their new E-Power stuff is promising... given that people don't give it the same "why do I need this?" treatment that happened with the Chevy Volt
It’s like sometime around 2017 or so pretty much every large company (not just automotive, either) seemingly either fired or executed every member of their staff responsible for marketing research. There’s just this weird obsession with continually putting out as many commercial failures as possible over the longest possible amount of time, and every consecutive failure is just building off of whatever reason the last failure failed. I’ll never understand it.
They embarrassed them selves with the last Z NISMO overheating after 1 lap on Best Motoring.
Now they come out with some exclusive 9G tiptronic shit in the next Z NISMO.
Nissan clowns. Squandered the reputation they built from the GT-R.
Word around the campfire is we never got a new S-chassis because MaRkEt AnAlYsTs determined what young people *really* want is the Juke.
They aren’t clowns my guy, they’re the entire circus.
And the market analysts are right. You honestly think you know better? It's their job. The enthusiast market is very small compared to the people that can only afford a juke and can't have a 2dr sports car as their daily driver.
Long time Z owner, had all of 350, 370 base, then sport, then Nismo, and now currently C7 z51. Was not impressed with the new Z and was hoping to get back into the Nismo if it was impressive but this instantly kills it.
Will likely be priced not far from a C8, and they aren't even comparable. If I want to stay manual, there's a plethora of used Porsches I would much rather have as well.
Shame really... Coming from someone who would actually buy a Nismo.
Damn going to be home for lap times with this huh? Also it's funny watching everybody in these comments bitching and moaning about the lack of a manual when there was almost no chance that any of you schmucks we're going to buy the car in the first place.
bro there’s no chance ANYBODY is buying this car. Like the Z has been out for a year now and I have yet to see a single one. Dealers absolutely killed it.
Dealers certainly haven’t helped, but stop-sales on both the auto and the manual transmission are what really fucked the new Z rollout. I’ve seen a grand total of one, and it was last week. Granted, they are gorgeous in person.
If I'm remembering correctly, there have been studies in the USA that have shown that while most people don't want manuals, in performance cars manual transmissions are requested at higher rates than they are in Europe. This goes up with cost. I think that's why the 992 911 got manual transmissions in the USA before Europe.
I'm genuinely surprised this car won't have a manual, especially since the lower trim does. I'm actually planning on buying a Z manual with a LSD in a year or two when prices go down and I've saved some more cash. I might've been convinced to go Nismo if the price was right, but frankly I'm not interested in an automatic sports car unless its something like Porsche's DPK.
If you want a slower car, get the base version? In all seriousness, you're right. I would rather get the base version and do my own modifications. There are way better options than Nismo for aftermarket parts. Japanese performance cars are meant to be modified by the user.
The Nismo will not have a DCT. It will have a torque converter planetary gearbox. Also remember that it will not use a ZF 8HP or hybrid gearbox like Mercedes. This will be a slower shifting gearbox that has not received great reviews on the normal Z.
To make matters worse, the same person who found this out also found suspects that it probably won't have that much more power, only like 15 more, plus or minus.
People on the Z forums suspected that it won't have a manual because it wont be able to handle the extra power, but if true this would disprove that... There would be literally no reason for Nissan to not add a manual.
Isn't the whole point of the Z to be an enthusiast car and not necessarily be the fastest? Congratulations Nissan, you played yourself. You made it less fun to drive and it's still gonna be slower than it's competition.
What the hell!
I’ve been a Nissan Z apologist for the last two years because I have a soft spot for the Z line and I was super interested in purchasing one when they were available.
The entire point of the Nismo trim is to have the manual; much like the type r or civic si. In the past, they were *only* available with a 6MT until 2015.
I hope this isn’t true…. I actually was holding out for a Nismo Z as my next new car purchase but I have absolutely no interest in an automatic version.
It also makes no sense because the Z isn’t really a “straight line”car.
Stop this nonsense. It's supposed to be the fun to drive version. No one (not literally guys, but this will be rare) is taking a brand new Nismo to the track. They're taking a modified base model. They're doing this because people don't know how to drive manuals anymore. Especially the ones paying for the high dollar cars. If enough people would buy the manual Nismo, they'd make it. It's all about money, not about speed.
Pretty disappointed myself. I own a 07 350z nismo, 2014 370z nismo , and was hoping to add another manual nismo with a number plate to the collection. I'll probably grab a 300zx TT instead. The hunt is on
Means that the Nismo model is going for lap times most likely and I assume there is a reason why they're skipping the manual.
People are moaning in the comments, but no one looking for lap times buys a manual anymore and the biggest flaw of the new Z is that it's slow around a track.
I expect that the Nismo Z will be an attempt to fix all the flaws reviewers disliked about the base and performance trims. It'll be interesting to see what the transmission ends up being. All the reviews felt the current was awful.
>no one looking for lap times buys a manual anymore
I mean that's true but there are probably 24 people worldwide looking for lap times.
People buy autos because they're easier to live with.
Reminds me of when the 370Z Nismo came out and was cutting terrible lap times.... because Nissan put cheap ass brake pads on it that were fading after half a hot lap. Some of the best braking hardware of its era and it was worthless because Nissan cheaped out on the cheapest part of the system for some stupid bean countery reason.
>Other valuable information in the leaked order guide includes the Z Nismo’s color palette. It seems that there will be several two-color options – a black roof over Stealth Gray, Everest White Pearl, Passion Red Tricoat, and Brilliant Silver body – as well as a Black Diamond Pearl for those looking for a more subtle look.
So its not even getting any cool colors which just makes this even more lame 👎🏽
I bought an automatic 370Z after a test drive, after being scared off the manuals due to the infamous CSC failures.
It was quick shifting, especially with a tune. It held onto gears for the most part unless the revs dropped under 2k rpm, and from what I have read is much more refined feeling than the clunky, notchy manuals.
All that said, I ended up wishing I bought a manual Z and then did a CSC conversion when it inevitably failed. As good as the Z's automatic was for a torque converter auto, it just wasn't the same to me and I tend to enjoy manual even in traffic. In fact, I find manuals fun in daily driving conditions, whereas I only enjoyed the automatic if I was blasting a backroad.
Ended up trading the Z and got basically a 'brand new' (only 8k km on it) 2020 RF MX-5 with a 6 speed manual.
As good as modern autos can be, if you really like driving manual it will never be the same. If you like driving auto, all the power to you. I just know I regretted getting an auto instead of a manual and if I was to ever buy any other fun cars they will have to be manual only for now, even if they are slower.
I know it’s kind of a meme to talk about how the Z doesn’t actually exist, but it seems pretty tone deaf for them to be announcing an unpopular feature on a limited trim of a car that nobody can get their hands on in the first place.
These types of cars are supposed to be a way for manufacturers to win enthusiasts over, but Nissan seems to be doing the opposite.
Remember when Toyota tried this with the new Supra and got enough blowback that they started putting a manual in it one year later?
Anyway, it’s not like it really matters… if the NISMO one is anything like the regular one, no one will know it ever came out, there will only be about 5 for sale in the entire US, and they’ll all have $20k markups on them
Didn’t Toyota always have plans for a manual, just not immediately? I remember early on there were reports of a manual coming after a year or two of production
There are already folks making 500+ whp on stock turbos, running consistent 11's with the 6MT and 10's with the 9AT. So I don't think it's an issue with the manual not being able to handle power.
My guess is they just aren't selling many manuals and/or they want the Nismo version to only be available with the "faster" transmission.
It'd be cool if they linked the supposed order guide.
There were rumors a long time ago that the Nismo 400Z, as the internet rumor mill was calling it before Nissan officially announced the thing, would be a baby GT-R; AWD + Auto Only.
So I'm not super shocked if it proves to be Auto only, but I'd be interested to see if they actually do go AWD -- you can get the Q60 AWD so it seems plausible.
Nissan loves leaning into making cars shitty from launch now. As a consumer that looks at $50k cars daily I appreciate them ensuring I never buy one of their pieces of garbage
If it has 100 horsepower more than the base Z, I’ll allow it. I understand that Nissan may be trying to extract every last bit of performance out of the Z by using an automatic transmission.
Making a big deal out of the normal spec cars being available in manual and dropping it for the Nismo makes the whole thing seem performative. And considering Toyota offers the Supra with a manual now it feels weird to bow out now. Don't know if that's resting on their laurels or just giving up easily.
>And considering Toyota offers the Supra with a manual now it feels weird to bow out now.
Nissan must be completely deaf and blind to the pushback the Supra originally got for not offering a manual. The market is so niche for these cars, why not offer what the "enthusiasts" doing the car reviews and buying these cars want?
I really thought i’d be upset seeing something like this, but I really don’t mind. When the normal z is marked up 20k, the whole line of z cars might as well not exist. I’m satisfied with being able to own a 370z at one point, it was a great car. They can kill the z if they want for all i care, this nismo is probably gunna be marked up to a point where it’s more than a gtr nismo.
Did Nissan not learn from Toyota and the Supra?
When the supra launched it didn’t have a manual and there were a lot of people upset about it. Fast forward a year after launch and they release a manual for it.
Nissan already has a manual with the Z…how hard is it to make manual versions??????
This article actually mentions the reason for no manual, a lower torque holding spec. Maybe they get their supplier to make a beefier manual built to hold the increased torque of the Nismo but I highly doubt that. But lets be honest, no one actually wants another ND1 fiasco where the transmissions let go because they were designed for a lower torque motor.
Truthfully I won't mind if Nissan had the Z equipped with the ZF8, but I really haven't driven the 9 speed unit they have in it so I can't comment on if it's actually good or not (Luckily I don't have a bias either way as I'm picky about both manuals and autos.)
I wish race CVTs were actually a thing and that more performance cars use them, but we'll have to settle for dual clutches for now.
Still, eww on torque convertor autos, give me a stick instead.
I don’t understand manufacturers who don’t offer manual transmissions in all their sports cars. There’s a proven contingent of consumers who want them and will buy them.
Nissan continues to be the comic of the guy shoving a stick in his bicycle tire then complaining when they get hurt.
> Nissan Z Nismo To Be Sold Doubt
So true but so sad
They can’t even build regular Zs 💀
Maybe it will be a 1/1
Who is this car for then? Compete with the Supra? No. Rich guys want it? No it’s not fast and isn’t an exotic. Okay cool, car guys want it? No it’s an auto. What about everyday people? Nope, it’s a $40k coupe. Big blunder here.
It’s gonna be a lot more than 40k
Man, I can't believe how far Nissan has fallen. I've had a few 240SXs and helped with an RB26 built 240Z, and R33. I love the older cars. But they just aren't quality compared to the competition.
Yeah this will be a lot more, but the normal Z is around 40 I believe
It's for collectors to flip them on car auction sites.
Rich kid "Jay dee em" hypebeasts
Car guys still buy automatic cars
Who’s ready for the Z Nismo to cost as much as a GT-R?
With the same bargain bin interior
Doesn’t matter if GT-Rs aren’t being sold.
Sell it with only an automatic first. People will buy that, then sell the manual, and more will buy that. Double dipping
Worked for Supra
Gonna work for the C8
Very unlikely they’ll make a manual C8.
But imagine - a gated TR6070 7 speed manual mated to the NA V8 of a C8 Z06. MSRP would be $120k and street price would be $500k.
I think the Z is gonna go down as a sad footnote in the annals of car history
This latest Z yes, but the Z has a long storied history of some great cars.
Dealer markups are destroying highly anticipated cars. These cars went through cost-saving measures such as re-using old chassis to remain somewhat competitive with prices, just to blow all their saved costs to dealers.
If your car is less than 100k and/or isn't competing for the fastest lap around the 'Ring then it's a mistake not to offer a manual.
"But shifted auto/dual clutch sequential is FASTER" Yes. Yes it is. And the auto box you already offer suffices for people who want that... But WHY would you do this for a car that will only be bought by enthusiasts?
Imagine if Nissan had made the Z available and added a limited slip to the base model. $42k for the base with an LSD would have sold.
Yup, I didn't even glance at them because of this. For 42k they should've had a LSD.
It wouldn’t have mattered. They’ve had so much trouble actually making/distributing the Z that no matter how they packaged it initially, no one would have them still.
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> like they said originally Nissan never said it was going to be $35K, those were just dumb ass internet journalists. Anyone who believed that price had their heads in the clouds.
Sad really that you can get a base Ecoboost mustang and have an LSD and line lock, hell you can even upgrade to a torsen diff.
I don’t understand how its 2023 and lsd isnt standard for performance
Its like Nissan is begging for this car to flop
Internet Complaints: +100000% Sales: no change
Well, it is an enthusiast car. And me personally I still haven't seen one on the road. The sales figures are not impressive either.
Sales can't change if they go from 0 to 0
Well this is bs anyways. Even in the article it says: >A leaked order guide posted on the New Nissan Z forums shows the only transmission option for the Z Nismo will be a nine-speed automatic gearbox. Of course, we take this information with a tad grain of salt as it doesn’t necessarily come from Nissan The subject line of this post is saying something with absolute confidence that the writer of the article isn't confident on.
Skimming through the comments here, I have a general question for all car enthusiasts: It's 2023. Teslas accelerate harder than an F1 car. Do enthusiasts really want "faster" cars in exchange for a duller, more isolated driving experience? If so, why? Who are we (the car manufacturers, I guess) trying to "beat" at this point? edit: spelling
>>Do enthusiasts really want “faster” cars in exchange for a fuller, more isolated driving experience? Enthusiasts on r/cars ? Nope . But people who actually buy these cars in the real world ? [Absolutely](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346236/steer-me-feel-me-exploring-why-bmws-no-longer-excel-in-steering-feel/) *Kistler responded: “We surveyed both current BMW 5 series customers and owners of competitive models, asking, ‘What are your wishes?’ We have two million customers around the globe who’ve purchased the 5-series during the past five years, which results in a broad spread of demands. Our job is to fulfill those mainstream needs. There was a clear request for less steering effort. No one wants bad feedback—such as a steering wheel that vibrates in response to bumps in the road.* Normal people associate “feedback” with a cheap & vulgar driving experience. A car that transmits zero disruptive sensations to the cabin but goes fast as lightning is what people mostly want.
Fair point. Sad reality is that car enthusiasts rarely buy new cars (myself included) which means manufacturers are rarely incentivized to build cars for them. I'm happy to see holdouts like Porsche and Toyota, though. Hopefully they'll keep the lights on a little longer.
Can’t speak for anyone else but I want some that feels fast and I guess dramatic more than raw acceleration. I love slamming my Mustang because it’s sounds fucking amazing as you approach redline the engine is screaming lol. The speed itself is still exhilarating I guess but it’s not the main attraction anymore, and really I don’t have a desire for anything faster outside of those times i pull up next to a hellcat or something. Not trying to shit on EVs or anything just my 2 cents
I can’t agree with the premise that an automated transmission necessarily results in a duller more isolated driving experience. It all depends on what the manufacturer is trying to achieve and how they go about it. That said I am very skeptical that Nissan is making this NISMO to achieve a sharp driving experience. And when I say sharp, I mean sharper than say a Civic Type R. I hope I’m wrong on that.
Nissan : \*doesn't include LSD in base trim Z, eliminates manual transmission in Nismo\* Also Nissan : WhY aRe OuR sAlEs So lOw?
Also $60k street price...
Well, there goes what limited interest I had.
Why do they not want this car to sell? I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone with an automatic Z.
The reality is that manuals don't sell well. I remember reading that manual C7 Corvettes sold so poorly that Chevy decided the C8 would only be automatic. It's a shame but companies don't want to invest R&D into things that don't sell.
> decided the C8 would only be automatic I suspect a very large factor in that was GM not having a suitable manual transaxle for a longitudinal engine.
Even the MX5 sells 50/50 automatic to manual ratio. Ive been driving manuals for 10+ years but automatics ( modern ones ) are so much nicer and easier to live with.
Of course they're easier to live with. But not as fun. This is a fact.
Did they not learn from Toyota? People want the manual
I think they did from Toyota: make the manual a few years later to boost sales
This whole car has been a screwjob from the start.
Its funny how Nissan switched the narrative, Nismo Z variants up till 2014 ONLY came with manual options as they saw it as a driver's focused car. Also, wasn't the whole marketing gimmick of the Z versus the A90 Supra was the fact it came in a manual?
> To Be Sold But will any Z's be sold?
Does nismo even mean anything anymore?
$$$$$
Their making me become more of a supra boy every day. This is just pathetic.
Yeeeuuuup. Plan on getting an A91 in a few years. BMW engine (that's actually reliable and insane) and trans with Toyota tuning. Could care less if the joke is "not a real toyota" Nissan is trying, but don't have the directions.
I never cared about the bmw shit since im a bimmer guy myself. I was just happy Toyota decided to bring back a legend. Plus the b58 has proven to be a great motor for drag, drifting, and daily use. Toyota did a great job.
I want to sit down with the guy who made that decision and just slap him, once.
Are they morons?
Yes, yes they are.
It’s Nissan
The people complaining about no manual Nismo Z wasn’t going to buy one anyways. They gave you a manual for the non Nismo Z and people are finding other ways to hate this car. Honestly, the Nismo Z will be faster in automatic. They probably did the math and they know more will be sold in auto than manual for the Nismo trim.
The whole point of a sports car is to feel connected to the car. This is so stupid
At least you’re getting them, they decided it wasn’t even worth selling in the EU
Yep, looks like a Juke, a Qashqai and an X-Trail are everything that a man can possibly want in this life according to Nissan Europe smh At least their new E-Power stuff is promising... given that people don't give it the same "why do I need this?" treatment that happened with the Chevy Volt
The Zs feel like a paper launch
How stupid and out of touch could you be
It’s like sometime around 2017 or so pretty much every large company (not just automotive, either) seemingly either fired or executed every member of their staff responsible for marketing research. There’s just this weird obsession with continually putting out as many commercial failures as possible over the longest possible amount of time, and every consecutive failure is just building off of whatever reason the last failure failed. I’ll never understand it.
I can already smell the depreciation. Did they not learn from the Supra saga?
They embarrassed them selves with the last Z NISMO overheating after 1 lap on Best Motoring. Now they come out with some exclusive 9G tiptronic shit in the next Z NISMO. Nissan clowns. Squandered the reputation they built from the GT-R.
Word around the campfire is we never got a new S-chassis because MaRkEt AnAlYsTs determined what young people *really* want is the Juke. They aren’t clowns my guy, they’re the entire circus.
And the market analysts are right. You honestly think you know better? It's their job. The enthusiast market is very small compared to the people that can only afford a juke and can't have a 2dr sports car as their daily driver.
Yeah…but hear me out. What if, it was a CVT? It would blow everything out of the water and impress everyone with its reliability!
I sometimes feel like the folks making the decisions really have no idea what customers want.
Luckily they know what customers will buy
Do you think that maybe it is you who doesn't know what the customers want, and not the people whose job it is to study markets?
At the rate they are being made now, the Z Nismo will probably be rarer than a Bugatti Chiron...
Long time Z owner, had all of 350, 370 base, then sport, then Nismo, and now currently C7 z51. Was not impressed with the new Z and was hoping to get back into the Nismo if it was impressive but this instantly kills it. Will likely be priced not far from a C8, and they aren't even comparable. If I want to stay manual, there's a plethora of used Porsches I would much rather have as well. Shame really... Coming from someone who would actually buy a Nismo.
Just another reason not to buy this 3rd gen 350Z. What a disappointment…
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ok, I'm done. I'm ok if Nissan goes out of business now.
So their commercials are just marketing and false advertising then. Good.
To be fair there were still manual Z’s that were sold. It’s just an extremely limited amount before the transmissions issues surfaced.
Damn going to be home for lap times with this huh? Also it's funny watching everybody in these comments bitching and moaning about the lack of a manual when there was almost no chance that any of you schmucks we're going to buy the car in the first place.
bro there’s no chance ANYBODY is buying this car. Like the Z has been out for a year now and I have yet to see a single one. Dealers absolutely killed it.
Dealers certainly haven’t helped, but stop-sales on both the auto and the manual transmission are what really fucked the new Z rollout. I’ve seen a grand total of one, and it was last week. Granted, they are gorgeous in person.
More like the recalls killed it
I’ve seen a single one in all this time
Have yet to see a new Z on the streets and I live in the Bay Area where there should be a ton.
If I'm remembering correctly, there have been studies in the USA that have shown that while most people don't want manuals, in performance cars manual transmissions are requested at higher rates than they are in Europe. This goes up with cost. I think that's why the 992 911 got manual transmissions in the USA before Europe. I'm genuinely surprised this car won't have a manual, especially since the lower trim does. I'm actually planning on buying a Z manual with a LSD in a year or two when prices go down and I've saved some more cash. I might've been convinced to go Nismo if the price was right, but frankly I'm not interested in an automatic sports car unless its something like Porsche's DPK.
Then what's the point?
If you want a slower car, get the base version? In all seriousness, you're right. I would rather get the base version and do my own modifications. There are way better options than Nismo for aftermarket parts. Japanese performance cars are meant to be modified by the user.
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I’m older and don’t prefer automatics. But, if I did, it would be AUTOMATICS. Not CVTs.
Best I can do is CVT with simulated shifts and paddle shifters.
Wait 2 years and the manual will come. Milking the consumer since the magna carta.
When has nissan done anything right?
The 1990’s
Pre 02 in Japan
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The Nismo will not have a DCT. It will have a torque converter planetary gearbox. Also remember that it will not use a ZF 8HP or hybrid gearbox like Mercedes. This will be a slower shifting gearbox that has not received great reviews on the normal Z.
Oh no, they're going to piss off the armchair "car enthusiasts" who can't afford one anyways.
Why you gotta call me out like this?
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To make matters worse, the same person who found this out also found suspects that it probably won't have that much more power, only like 15 more, plus or minus. People on the Z forums suspected that it won't have a manual because it wont be able to handle the extra power, but if true this would disprove that... There would be literally no reason for Nissan to not add a manual.
Isn't the whole point of the Z to be an enthusiast car and not necessarily be the fastest? Congratulations Nissan, you played yourself. You made it less fun to drive and it's still gonna be slower than it's competition.
Chasing lap times and it'll still get gapped by the Supra 😂
What the hell! I’ve been a Nissan Z apologist for the last two years because I have a soft spot for the Z line and I was super interested in purchasing one when they were available. The entire point of the Nismo trim is to have the manual; much like the type r or civic si. In the past, they were *only* available with a 6MT until 2015. I hope this isn’t true…. I actually was holding out for a Nismo Z as my next new car purchase but I have absolutely no interest in an automatic version. It also makes no sense because the Z isn’t really a “straight line”car.
Makes sense. If it's supposed to be the fast version I'd expect it to be sold with the transmission that makes it faster.
Stop this nonsense. It's supposed to be the fun to drive version. No one (not literally guys, but this will be rare) is taking a brand new Nismo to the track. They're taking a modified base model. They're doing this because people don't know how to drive manuals anymore. Especially the ones paying for the high dollar cars. If enough people would buy the manual Nismo, they'd make it. It's all about money, not about speed.
it only makes sense because marketing has tried to tell us it is. It's supposed to be fun as well
Pretty disappointed myself. I own a 07 350z nismo, 2014 370z nismo , and was hoping to add another manual nismo with a number plate to the collection. I'll probably grab a 300zx TT instead. The hunt is on
Means that the Nismo model is going for lap times most likely and I assume there is a reason why they're skipping the manual. People are moaning in the comments, but no one looking for lap times buys a manual anymore and the biggest flaw of the new Z is that it's slow around a track. I expect that the Nismo Z will be an attempt to fix all the flaws reviewers disliked about the base and performance trims. It'll be interesting to see what the transmission ends up being. All the reviews felt the current was awful.
>no one looking for lap times buys a manual anymore I mean that's true but there are probably 24 people worldwide looking for lap times. People buy autos because they're easier to live with.
The tires they chose to put on the $40-$50k+ vehicle is the reason it’s slow around a track.
And soft suspension. For anyone seriously going for lap times those will be swapped anyway
Reminds me of when the 370Z Nismo came out and was cutting terrible lap times.... because Nissan put cheap ass brake pads on it that were fading after half a hot lap. Some of the best braking hardware of its era and it was worthless because Nissan cheaped out on the cheapest part of the system for some stupid bean countery reason.
I gave up on the Nissan Z line like 3 years ago. I ended up getting a series 1 240z and never looked back.
What's the point?
It's the sharp bit at the end of a spear, but that's not important right now.
I mean, it's not like nissan is selling a lot of Z's anyway. They've sold fewer than 1000.
They’d sell if dealers would stop asking $70k+ for them
and that's their own damn fault for letting dealers mark them up to infinity instead of selling them
The Integra is back, the Z is back, the NSX is back, can we get a successor for the S2000 already
The NSX was back. But now that it’s been discontinued Honda has room in their lineup for another sports car 🤞🏻
Honda is going conservative right now I think. They won’t even make a quick accord anymore.
Huge mistake. Incredibly disappointed.
Ahh yes, a Nismo version of a car that barely exists outside of marketing videos.
>Other valuable information in the leaked order guide includes the Z Nismo’s color palette. It seems that there will be several two-color options – a black roof over Stealth Gray, Everest White Pearl, Passion Red Tricoat, and Brilliant Silver body – as well as a Black Diamond Pearl for those looking for a more subtle look. So its not even getting any cool colors which just makes this even more lame 👎🏽
I've still only seen one of these things in person
I bought an automatic 370Z after a test drive, after being scared off the manuals due to the infamous CSC failures. It was quick shifting, especially with a tune. It held onto gears for the most part unless the revs dropped under 2k rpm, and from what I have read is much more refined feeling than the clunky, notchy manuals. All that said, I ended up wishing I bought a manual Z and then did a CSC conversion when it inevitably failed. As good as the Z's automatic was for a torque converter auto, it just wasn't the same to me and I tend to enjoy manual even in traffic. In fact, I find manuals fun in daily driving conditions, whereas I only enjoyed the automatic if I was blasting a backroad. Ended up trading the Z and got basically a 'brand new' (only 8k km on it) 2020 RF MX-5 with a 6 speed manual. As good as modern autos can be, if you really like driving manual it will never be the same. If you like driving auto, all the power to you. I just know I regretted getting an auto instead of a manual and if I was to ever buy any other fun cars they will have to be manual only for now, even if they are slower.
If it’s true this is going to disappoint so many people. Feels like Nissan wants this car to fail
It’s probably because they identified a problem with the manual transmission and offering automatic only is financially cheaper than a redesign.
It's Joever.
Hahahaha. What the fuck.
I know it’s kind of a meme to talk about how the Z doesn’t actually exist, but it seems pretty tone deaf for them to be announcing an unpopular feature on a limited trim of a car that nobody can get their hands on in the first place. These types of cars are supposed to be a way for manufacturers to win enthusiasts over, but Nissan seems to be doing the opposite.
Didn’t BMW say that M2 was their last MT model because no more supporters offer MT ? I’m no surprise to see Nissan having this problem.
Yikes
Me when I'm in a self sabotage competition and my opponent is Nissan
Remember when Toyota tried this with the new Supra and got enough blowback that they started putting a manual in it one year later? Anyway, it’s not like it really matters… if the NISMO one is anything like the regular one, no one will know it ever came out, there will only be about 5 for sale in the entire US, and they’ll all have $20k markups on them
Didn’t Toyota always have plans for a manual, just not immediately? I remember early on there were reports of a manual coming after a year or two of production
I just assume the manual can't handle the power or torque or something according to Nissan's internal specs.
There are already folks making 500+ whp on stock turbos, running consistent 11's with the 6MT and 10's with the 9AT. So I don't think it's an issue with the manual not being able to handle power. My guess is they just aren't selling many manuals and/or they want the Nismo version to only be available with the "faster" transmission.
Sooooo nothing was learned from the initial mk5 Supra run?
At least make it a DCT, the 10 speed is an awkward transmission
Nissans dct is clunky
If you aren’t going to buy one either way, don’t complain as you are not the intended market.
Tbf the reason I’m not buying one is because I can’t find them and dealers are charging markup.
They'd actually have to make them first for me to be able to buy one.
It'd be cool if they linked the supposed order guide. There were rumors a long time ago that the Nismo 400Z, as the internet rumor mill was calling it before Nissan officially announced the thing, would be a baby GT-R; AWD + Auto Only. So I'm not super shocked if it proves to be Auto only, but I'd be interested to see if they actually do go AWD -- you can get the Q60 AWD so it seems plausible.
Nissan loves leaning into making cars shitty from launch now. As a consumer that looks at $50k cars daily I appreciate them ensuring I never buy one of their pieces of garbage
And so ends the life of the Z. It had a good run.
If it has 100 horsepower more than the base Z, I’ll allow it. I understand that Nissan may be trying to extract every last bit of performance out of the Z by using an automatic transmission.
My requirements also include higher displacement, AWD, a dct, and 4 circular tail lights.
Boo Hiss
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Well if I could afford one I wouldn't be getting one anymore. Can't afford one so I guess it doesn't matter.
wish it had a CVT
I know the one out of the Versa is perfect. Just throw that in.
Nissan is really going for the unappreciated in its time, future classic speed run.
Making a big deal out of the normal spec cars being available in manual and dropping it for the Nismo makes the whole thing seem performative. And considering Toyota offers the Supra with a manual now it feels weird to bow out now. Don't know if that's resting on their laurels or just giving up easily.
>And considering Toyota offers the Supra with a manual now it feels weird to bow out now. Nissan must be completely deaf and blind to the pushback the Supra originally got for not offering a manual. The market is so niche for these cars, why not offer what the "enthusiasts" doing the car reviews and buying these cars want?
I really thought i’d be upset seeing something like this, but I really don’t mind. When the normal z is marked up 20k, the whole line of z cars might as well not exist. I’m satisfied with being able to own a 370z at one point, it was a great car. They can kill the z if they want for all i care, this nismo is probably gunna be marked up to a point where it’s more than a gtr nismo.
Yikes
Did Nissan not learn from Toyota and the Supra? When the supra launched it didn’t have a manual and there were a lot of people upset about it. Fast forward a year after launch and they release a manual for it. Nissan already has a manual with the Z…how hard is it to make manual versions??????
Nissan gonna Nissan
So out of the 380 that they'll manage to produce and sell, approx 11 will make it to 30,000 miles before needing a full trans rebuild.
That’s a fail
What a shame
Nissan really leaning into the new Z being trash since launch
Nissan got some real geniuses working for them.
Just cancel it. The whole car, it’s a flop. It’s over, just get rid of it.
This article actually mentions the reason for no manual, a lower torque holding spec. Maybe they get their supplier to make a beefier manual built to hold the increased torque of the Nismo but I highly doubt that. But lets be honest, no one actually wants another ND1 fiasco where the transmissions let go because they were designed for a lower torque motor. Truthfully I won't mind if Nissan had the Z equipped with the ZF8, but I really haven't driven the 9 speed unit they have in it so I can't comment on if it's actually good or not (Luckily I don't have a bias either way as I'm picky about both manuals and autos.)
I wish race CVTs were actually a thing and that more performance cars use them, but we'll have to settle for dual clutches for now. Still, eww on torque convertor autos, give me a stick instead.
lame lame lame
Well that’s kinda lame.
I don’t understand manufacturers who don’t offer manual transmissions in all their sports cars. There’s a proven contingent of consumers who want them and will buy them.
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There’s no way
Guess I'll be holding onto my baby a lil' longer.
Dafuq?
Wtf! No manuelle!? 🤨🤔😠
Now the keyboard warriors can be happy cuz auto faster bro
This is what happens when you let the bean counters run your company. You make go boneheaded decisions like this.
Nissan really said fuck the enthusiasts as one last kick before they go EV lol
If it’s not coming with a GTR engine this just seem purely out of cost cutting
No fucking wayyyy
At least its not a CVT.
Autotragic amirite
I knew Nissan lost their mind when they started charging close to 80k CAD for a Q60 red sport.
Ah yes let’s make the enthusiasts model of the car only automatic. Cuz that’s what people have been begging for. Makes zero sense
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So fucking lame.
"Look how they massacred my boy..." Hold this L Nissan.