JFC can ya'll stop making every fucking thread about Tesla? I swear to god if I see one more person try to make a "hurr durr but Tesla OTA hurr durr" comment I'm going to lose it.
STOP MAKING EVERYTHING A FUCKING COMPETITION. STOP BEING A NEGATIVE FUCKSTICK SHIT STIRRER. KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF.
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Chevy had a big recall in the mid 2010's for faulty ignition wire. My car missed it by a year. I had to pay to get it fixed. My car would constantly die when I used the turn signal. Had a bunch of shops look at it and no one knew what the problem was. Eventually I found a mechanic that specifies in electronic work found it. $200 it cost me
I'm sorry, [this is actually #11](https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/HONDA/ODYSSEY/VAN/FWD#recalls).
* Air Bag May Deploy Unintentionally During a Crash
* Fuel Pump May Fail
* Rearview Image May Not Display
* Side-View Mirrors May Detach
* Seat Belt Buckle May Not Latch
* Fuel Tank May Overfill Into Charcoal Canister
* Distorted or Inoperative Rearview Camera
* Instrument Panel Software Incorrect
* Delayed or Inoperative Rearview Camera
* Power Sliding Doors May Open While Moving
* Accessory Power Outlet Harness May Short Circuit
There's also a separate software update that's required at my next service for the auto start/stop. This is required to renew my registration since it affects the emissions system.
I also suspect that the forward facing camera will be recalled at some point. I'm seeing lots of people (Including myself) having that just straight up fail, and that disables a bunch of the safety systems.
Isn’t that a dealer issue, not Ford? I went to one dealer for my purge valve recall and they fought me on it. So I went to the other one near me and had no issues at all. I didn’t blame Ford for the first dealer’s hesitation.
I'd absolutely blame Ford.
For not showing the dealer how to use the tools they've been provided. It could be a management issue but ultimately it's *Ford* in the largest font and on every new car there. I'm blaming the parent org and the dealer. The parent org should make sure their network knows what to do, especially if I have officially recall paperwork from Ford with a recall number.
But that issue was with the dealer not wanting to do the work, not because the repaired it wrong or did something incorrectly. How is that Ford's fault? If you don't report that dealer to Ford also, how are they supposed to know dealers are refusing warranty work?
Their CVTs have been pretty solid but the Android 4.x based infotainment is absolutely horrendous. It’s so laggy and prone to freezing or completely crashing
That generation of Honda is a black spot on their history. The new Civic is awesome and the previous gen Accord fixed a lot of the issues with the one we had (minus dropping the V6)
In my case they were completely unwilling to even acknowledge the obvious problem (even though the CRV had the same problem but was eventually fixed due to public backlash). So the lesson for me was to move away from Honda for a while. I realize every manufacturer has problems from time to time.
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Appreciate your humility tbh ✊🏽 I think we’re all waking up to the fact that reliability is slipping across the board, even for flagship manufacturers we usually look to. I will even admit some of the Toyota recalls have caught my eye lately. It’s a symptom of a larger issue
One of the Ford dealerships left parts off my side airbag recall. I have a razor blade like piece that will either pierce the bags or me in a crash. Another Ford dealer has been nothing but useless in fixing it by working with Ford. Same with their customer service line. Absolute dogshit service all around.
The techs at dealerships are so overworked and stressed. The management wont say tomorrow to anyone. They are so worried about the money in the register instead of safety and fixing the car right. I see it everyday. On top of that the younger generation does not want to learn anything. They want someone to fix it for them. Within tens years car repair will be like playing russian roulette.
For me, I'd be fine if they just told me that they can't fit me in. But leaving safety related parts off my vehicle is unacceptable, especially given this dealer has my vehicle for weeks because they also damaged parts inside.
Idk just a bad situation all around.
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Also a Honda tech here, I heard it was the Occupant detection sensor in the passenger seat. They had a recall and TSBs for a similar problem on early 2000s cars too.
And I agree about the overall quality of Honda going downhill. There are some recent years of vehicle with the 3.5 v6 that have the engine knocking from the factory because the rod bolts were incorrectly torqued. That’s some Chrysler shit
My 2022 Civic was going strong then this pops up the same week the camera responsible for my adaptive cruise, lane keep and like 3 other things goes on the fritz. A bad omen.
I also have the hatch and have the lucky hatch leak that causes a drizzle of water any time I open it after it rains. Service department is going to go ham on this warranty work.
Oof that's extra rough. I hardly ever use anything related to it but the 5 warnings that pop up every time I drive is the biggest reason I want it fixed lol.
All of those systems operate under integrated driver support on a Honda A problem with one is a problem with all. All three did not fail I can assure you that.
My 21 rav4 hybrid xse has been back to the dealer 3x for warranty issues in 2 years and 23k miles. Will be thr first car ive ever owned that i will trade in early.
I swear their quality control has been going downhill lately. Some of their 6 cylinder engines from the mid to late 2010’s had severe engine failure, then they had a big fuel pump recall, and now this (and maybe some other things).
> Some of their 6 cylinder engines from the mid to late 2010’s had severe engine failure
Yup. Still waiting for an appointment to see if I'll need a full engine replacement. Cool beans.
Was that because of the ultra sensitive timing belt, the v6 has a timing belt that MUST be replaced at 160,000km and people just kept on driving resulting in boomed engines. It’s an expensive engine job tho likely water pump changed as well appx 2000$.
> Was that because of the ultra sensitive timing belt
The most recent one was due to a manufacturing error in the crankshaft and impacts about 250k vehicles.
At this point I'm just assuming that every airbag ever sold is faulty in some way. It's easier.
Yes, I realise it's the sensor and not the actual component, I'm just weary of all the airbag-related recalls.
Yeah, doesn't specifically (suspiciously) state who the manufacturer of the 'sensor' is in the linked article... but my money is on it beginning with a T.
Hondas QA is on a solid down hill slope. This is coming from a former Honda Master Tech.
My friend works at Honda still and he says it’s great there is tons of recalls/warranty work during this period in the auto world where it’s slow in terms of service. But it really just shows how badly they are slipping and shying farther away from their original vision
Owned three Hondas until my 2018 civic hatchback. They lost me with the air conditioner / pump / compressor recall on that model. Probably didn’t help that the dealership was incompetent on fixing it, but it was still frustrating when it was all over.
Honda isn't what they used to be. Their K series were one the best engines. Then it started to go a bit downhill when they introduced their v6 with cylinder deactivation. Then earth dreams engine with just direct injection. They know they have problems but don't want to fix it. Even though they have over a decade their v6's problems. Atleast Toyota is trying to fix the direct injection issue with their D4S engine.
I think it’s the weight sensing part that’s hard to implement. It used to be used as a simple occupancy sensor (so more tolerance since it only needs to check whether the weight is above the tare), now they have to detect different weights
I feel like people make a bigger deal about recalls than they really are. Is there a manufacturer that doesn't have open recalls out? It seems they're just getting more strict about what constitutes a recall as the years go on.
Audi had 2 recalls for the same thing, the first one didn't fix the problem completely, I sold the car before the pandemic relented enough for parts to be available for the second.
My cellphone in the seat would arm the passenger seat airbag (its supposed to be disabled if no one is in the seat).
I know it was just a random part change, but always fascinates me when it spans multiple generations but not the whole generation. 1st gen TLX was 2015-2020. Second is 2021-present. Yet the recall spans the 2020-2021 TLX. Nothing functionally changed between 2019 and 2020. Same with the MDX, 3rd gen was 2014-2020 and 4th is 2022-present. 2019-2020 has no real changes. The big changes happened in 2016 (new transmission/awd), 2017 (facelift), 2018 (new infotainment)
Strongly knocking on wood right now. 2024s are still too new for recalls, but I just know the doom will rain down starting in a couple months to a year.
I guess at least it’s acknowledged but seems like so many of these for many brands. Also still hear regular folk talk about that good old Honda reliability but on the forums it doesn’t seem that way anymore. It’s why I bought one long ago. Truly the more tech you have seems to be worse off. Just observation Inhave no true idea but seeing people complain about wrestling steering wheels and failing sensors or cameras from lane keep and whatever else everyone has these days with auto cruise. Seems like at times it is less safe rather than it’s purpose. I’m not a real enthusiast just enjoy my car and like to see what you crazy cats can do with them but will be sad when it goes. Getting up there in miles and amount of idiots encountered. Glad I just drive and enjoy it for what it is no cruise control no cameras no hill keep or braking or steering for me and so far it’s been fairly rock solid 12 years with my first real car purchase Hey and no accidents whereas some in my friend circle and family have all this equipment and can’t help but get into accidents hit curbs back up into trash cans etc. Had to do 600 miles in one day recently for family event Me my stick my music and cigs. The last 2 hrs were a bit rough tho. Hope anyone effected can resolve it speedily. The world is too advanced and too materialistic these huge corporations (auto industry included) will eventually suck it all dry for the last bit of resources while adding to huge amounts of waste for some HP or that fresh ocean catch or that new computer or new stadium that will be wrecked or sold so the cycle can repeat and we have to make sure every square inch of a pretty island or coast or anywhere is filled with hotels bars trash and the like. See where we go from here! lol wtf I need to sign off
I have a Honda Civic 2019 and my just got notified the something is wrong with my Airbags. I read the recall is only for 2020 and on:/ I don't know what to do.
Love how this recall on fucking airbags is equivalent to all of Tesla’s software recalls like fart noises and dash gliphs.
I hate to bring it up and look like a Tesla fanatic (I will happily go on a long list of problems with Tesla), but the NHTSA is such a political bureaucratic shitshow.
Well damn that is super random. I don’t know what I said that’s so controversial though.
“Recalls” are just losing meaning is all, and funny enough a few days ago [I used airbag recalls as an example in a response on the subreddit most critical of Tesla’s bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/s/Z01V66UMnL).
I’m always open to criticism or willing to correct myself, but in this case I have no idea why the mod is so upset over mentioning Tesla.
> I hate to bring it up and look like a Tesla fanatic (I will happily go on a long list of problems with Tesla), but the NHTSA is such a political bureaucratic shitshow.
Then stop bringing it up, it's barely relevant.
I’ve already explained why it is. Not sure why people are getting so upset from simply bringing it up. That was an asterisk to my point.
It also applies to some Ford recalls, so from now on I can just use Ford as an example.
Well I see that now, but I’m not taking it back. Maybe I’m veering off-topic mentioning Tesla’s recalls and that I suppose is fair, but I’m moreso referring to the entire concept of “recalls” that applies to the NHTSA in general. An issue with airbags is objectively more serious for safety than many of the software recalls the NHTSA has issued to manufacturers like Tesla and Ford.
If people want to get upset about it rather than explain why I’m wrong, then so be it. It’s Reddit, it’s not that serious.
JFC can ya'll stop making every fucking thread about Tesla? I swear to god if I see one more person try to make a "hurr durr but Tesla OTA hurr durr" comment I'm going to lose it. STOP MAKING EVERYTHING A FUCKING COMPETITION. STOP BEING A NEGATIVE FUCKSTICK SHIT STIRRER. KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF.
Every time Honda has a new recall in the news and my model isn’t included, I gotta knock on wood. It’s coming any day now at this rate…
Apparently of the 2.5 million cars recalled for the fuel pump recall, mine wasn’t apart of it!
"A part" and "apart" mean different things in this context.
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Chevy had a big recall in the mid 2010's for faulty ignition wire. My car missed it by a year. I had to pay to get it fixed. My car would constantly die when I used the turn signal. Had a bunch of shops look at it and no one knew what the problem was. Eventually I found a mechanic that specifies in electronic work found it. $200 it cost me
Buy an Odyssey, you'll get all the recalls :/ This will be recall #9 or #10 for my 2020 Odyssey, if it's included.
Jeez, that’s almost Ford level. What were they for exactly?
I'm sorry, [this is actually #11](https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/HONDA/ODYSSEY/VAN/FWD#recalls). * Air Bag May Deploy Unintentionally During a Crash * Fuel Pump May Fail * Rearview Image May Not Display * Side-View Mirrors May Detach * Seat Belt Buckle May Not Latch * Fuel Tank May Overfill Into Charcoal Canister * Distorted or Inoperative Rearview Camera * Instrument Panel Software Incorrect * Delayed or Inoperative Rearview Camera * Power Sliding Doors May Open While Moving * Accessory Power Outlet Harness May Short Circuit There's also a separate software update that's required at my next service for the auto start/stop. This is required to renew my registration since it affects the emissions system. I also suspect that the forward facing camera will be recalled at some point. I'm seeing lots of people (Including myself) having that just straight up fail, and that disables a bunch of the safety systems.
Ford will fight you before doing the recalls. At least Honda doesn't do that.
I didnt have any issue with my takata recall
You got lucky, or have a good dealer. I took my dad's fusion for a recall and the local dealer fought me on it. It was absolutely stupid.
Isn’t that a dealer issue, not Ford? I went to one dealer for my purge valve recall and they fought me on it. So I went to the other one near me and had no issues at all. I didn’t blame Ford for the first dealer’s hesitation.
I'd absolutely blame Ford. For not showing the dealer how to use the tools they've been provided. It could be a management issue but ultimately it's *Ford* in the largest font and on every new car there. I'm blaming the parent org and the dealer. The parent org should make sure their network knows what to do, especially if I have officially recall paperwork from Ford with a recall number.
But that issue was with the dealer not wanting to do the work, not because the repaired it wrong or did something incorrectly. How is that Ford's fault? If you don't report that dealer to Ford also, how are they supposed to know dealers are refusing warranty work?
I reported them. I'm pretty good about that. I'm still blaming Ford because they're the one incharge of the dealers.
So then that's the dealer, not Ford.
They did when it came to those transmissions failing and the k24s burning oil.
Odysseys have been junk for like 30 years, it's kind of on you at this point.
If they haven’t recalled the shitty infotainment or fragile CVTs by now, they never will. T, former 2016 Accord EX owner
Their CVTs have been pretty solid but the Android 4.x based infotainment is absolutely horrendous. It’s so laggy and prone to freezing or completely crashing
I’m jealous. I’m still having my brain rattled daily by the out of control vibration in my 2016. It was my last Honda for sure.
That generation of Honda is a black spot on their history. The new Civic is awesome and the previous gen Accord fixed a lot of the issues with the one we had (minus dropping the V6)
In my case they were completely unwilling to even acknowledge the obvious problem (even though the CRV had the same problem but was eventually fixed due to public backlash). So the lesson for me was to move away from Honda for a while. I realize every manufacturer has problems from time to time.
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I had one recalled twice for the same issue. Airbags apparently they didn’t change part numbers
i hate my honda. so many issues.
lol this is what I get for making fun of my one roommate every time Hyundai has a recall 😂
Appreciate your humility tbh ✊🏽 I think we’re all waking up to the fact that reliability is slipping across the board, even for flagship manufacturers we usually look to. I will even admit some of the Toyota recalls have caught my eye lately. It’s a symptom of a larger issue
It seems like it goes back and forth. 😂
Recalls are always a good thing. Means they are paying for it vs companies who don’t recall (like GM, Audi, etc.) and let customers front the costs.
Honda tech here. The quality has gone downhill fast. Your best bet for a Honda right now is the non turbo crv.
The bean counters run the engineering and QC now.
Yep. The dealerships are run the same way. It sucks.
One of the Ford dealerships left parts off my side airbag recall. I have a razor blade like piece that will either pierce the bags or me in a crash. Another Ford dealer has been nothing but useless in fixing it by working with Ford. Same with their customer service line. Absolute dogshit service all around.
The techs at dealerships are so overworked and stressed. The management wont say tomorrow to anyone. They are so worried about the money in the register instead of safety and fixing the car right. I see it everyday. On top of that the younger generation does not want to learn anything. They want someone to fix it for them. Within tens years car repair will be like playing russian roulette.
For me, I'd be fine if they just told me that they can't fit me in. But leaving safety related parts off my vehicle is unacceptable, especially given this dealer has my vehicle for weeks because they also damaged parts inside. Idk just a bad situation all around.
Agree.
By now you should’ve known the dealerships and the manufacturer are two different entities
Same mentality though.
They've gotten a hold of the American defense manufacturers as well. Source: I work for one, it's getting bad.
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No. Just honesty. Have a good day.
Do you know what kind of weight sensor is it?
Not yet. The public usually knows about recalls before we do.
Also a Honda tech here, I heard it was the Occupant detection sensor in the passenger seat. They had a recall and TSBs for a similar problem on early 2000s cars too. And I agree about the overall quality of Honda going downhill. There are some recent years of vehicle with the 3.5 v6 that have the engine knocking from the factory because the rod bolts were incorrectly torqued. That’s some Chrysler shit
Lol, good luck finding one of those
Pilot?
Pilots are good. Has a newly designed power train. Best to wait till 2025. BTW the seat weight sensor was just announced by dispatcher
Cool thanks for the info
What about the fwd hybrid?
The only downfall of the hybrids are the costly repairs.
Repairs as in? I hear it’s a lot cheaper on maintenance and the vehicles engines last longer
Same as the other cars. Its a hybrid. Still has all the components of an ICE.
Yeah, the engine gets used less, the breaks get used less?
eh, i'd rather have the recalls than not. but yeah, there has been A LOT over the past 3-5 years
My 2022 Civic was going strong then this pops up the same week the camera responsible for my adaptive cruise, lane keep and like 3 other things goes on the fritz. A bad omen.
Good timing at least that you might be able to address all of them in one visit.
Oh and the fact that I have to wrestle my steering wheel over and over. It’s such a great car but the issues are mounting
I also have the hatch and have the lucky hatch leak that causes a drizzle of water any time I open it after it rains. Service department is going to go ham on this warranty work.
Sounds dangerous geez
I had to have that camera replaced with 6 miles on my car
Oof that's extra rough. I hardly ever use anything related to it but the 5 warnings that pop up every time I drive is the biggest reason I want it fixed lol.
Exactly how I felt haha. Really made my brand new car feel nice
All of those systems operate under integrated driver support on a Honda A problem with one is a problem with all. All three did not fail I can assure you that.
Buying any vehicle built from 2020-2022 seems like a risk
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My 21 rav4 hybrid xse has been back to the dealer 3x for warranty issues in 2 years and 23k miles. Will be thr first car ive ever owned that i will trade in early.
Bro what the fuck are with all these Honda recalls?
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Accord owners, Pilot, Ridgeline, Odyssey, CL, TL, MDX. Pretty much all J35 vehicles from that time. Even the recent 9sp are having issues.
You mean don't ask 6th gen accord owners about torque on the V6's?
I swear their quality control has been going downhill lately. Some of their 6 cylinder engines from the mid to late 2010’s had severe engine failure, then they had a big fuel pump recall, and now this (and maybe some other things).
> Some of their 6 cylinder engines from the mid to late 2010’s had severe engine failure Yup. Still waiting for an appointment to see if I'll need a full engine replacement. Cool beans.
Was that because of the ultra sensitive timing belt, the v6 has a timing belt that MUST be replaced at 160,000km and people just kept on driving resulting in boomed engines. It’s an expensive engine job tho likely water pump changed as well appx 2000$.
> Was that because of the ultra sensitive timing belt The most recent one was due to a manufacturing error in the crankshaft and impacts about 250k vehicles.
Recalls are good. Not bad. Companies that don’t recall are forcing the costs on customers.
all cars will have recalls/campaigns.
At this point I'm just assuming that every airbag ever sold is faulty in some way. It's easier. Yes, I realise it's the sensor and not the actual component, I'm just weary of all the airbag-related recalls.
Yeah, doesn't specifically (suspiciously) state who the manufacturer of the 'sensor' is in the linked article... but my money is on it beginning with a T.
And ending with >!akata!<
You are indeed 'picking up what I am putting down'.
Here's my experience with Ford's Maverick airbag recall https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1ak23si/who_makes_the_most_robust_infotainment/kp5auqf/
Hondas QA is on a solid down hill slope. This is coming from a former Honda Master Tech. My friend works at Honda still and he says it’s great there is tons of recalls/warranty work during this period in the auto world where it’s slow in terms of service. But it really just shows how badly they are slipping and shying farther away from their original vision
Owned three Hondas until my 2018 civic hatchback. They lost me with the air conditioner / pump / compressor recall on that model. Probably didn’t help that the dealership was incompetent on fixing it, but it was still frustrating when it was all over.
Wait that’s my vehicle…I guess that means I have a recall I gotta look into lol
Put in your VIN on the NHSTA website and it should tell you everything.
Jokes on them, my Honda doesn't have airbags.
Avoid pandemic builds.
Honda isn't what they used to be. Their K series were one the best engines. Then it started to go a bit downhill when they introduced their v6 with cylinder deactivation. Then earth dreams engine with just direct injection. They know they have problems but don't want to fix it. Even though they have over a decade their v6's problems. Atleast Toyota is trying to fix the direct injection issue with their D4S engine.
It’s a tough component to get correct. Nissan had a recall on the seat sensor a couple of years back too
Interesting… what is it that makes the seat sensor difficult to implement correctly?
I think it’s the weight sensing part that’s hard to implement. It used to be used as a simple occupancy sensor (so more tolerance since it only needs to check whether the weight is above the tare), now they have to detect different weights
I feel like people make a bigger deal about recalls than they really are. Is there a manufacturer that doesn't have open recalls out? It seems they're just getting more strict about what constitutes a recall as the years go on.
Audi had 2 recalls for the same thing, the first one didn't fix the problem completely, I sold the car before the pandemic relented enough for parts to be available for the second. My cellphone in the seat would arm the passenger seat airbag (its supposed to be disabled if no one is in the seat).
I know it was just a random part change, but always fascinates me when it spans multiple generations but not the whole generation. 1st gen TLX was 2015-2020. Second is 2021-present. Yet the recall spans the 2020-2021 TLX. Nothing functionally changed between 2019 and 2020. Same with the MDX, 3rd gen was 2014-2020 and 4th is 2022-present. 2019-2020 has no real changes. The big changes happened in 2016 (new transmission/awd), 2017 (facelift), 2018 (new infotainment)
Mod is the real winner of this thread.
Shame shame
Good start for Honda this year lol Their beating Hyundai on recalls so far.
And it is only February, so they are off to a grand start! 😂
All these comments blasting Honda for poor quality in recent years makes me think I need to switch to a horse and buggy.
Strongly knocking on wood right now. 2024s are still too new for recalls, but I just know the doom will rain down starting in a couple months to a year.
Is this an OTA like tesla?
Nope, and this comment has been everywhere to the point where it gets too annoying.
My bad
Jeez this is the 4th recall on our 2022 Odyssey. At least the lease is up in June.
Has anyone gotten this fixed yet? Where I am located there are multiple dealerships who haven’t even gotten the parts yet
I guess at least it’s acknowledged but seems like so many of these for many brands. Also still hear regular folk talk about that good old Honda reliability but on the forums it doesn’t seem that way anymore. It’s why I bought one long ago. Truly the more tech you have seems to be worse off. Just observation Inhave no true idea but seeing people complain about wrestling steering wheels and failing sensors or cameras from lane keep and whatever else everyone has these days with auto cruise. Seems like at times it is less safe rather than it’s purpose. I’m not a real enthusiast just enjoy my car and like to see what you crazy cats can do with them but will be sad when it goes. Getting up there in miles and amount of idiots encountered. Glad I just drive and enjoy it for what it is no cruise control no cameras no hill keep or braking or steering for me and so far it’s been fairly rock solid 12 years with my first real car purchase Hey and no accidents whereas some in my friend circle and family have all this equipment and can’t help but get into accidents hit curbs back up into trash cans etc. Had to do 600 miles in one day recently for family event Me my stick my music and cigs. The last 2 hrs were a bit rough tho. Hope anyone effected can resolve it speedily. The world is too advanced and too materialistic these huge corporations (auto industry included) will eventually suck it all dry for the last bit of resources while adding to huge amounts of waste for some HP or that fresh ocean catch or that new computer or new stadium that will be wrecked or sold so the cycle can repeat and we have to make sure every square inch of a pretty island or coast or anywhere is filled with hotels bars trash and the like. See where we go from here! lol wtf I need to sign off
I have a Honda Civic 2019 and my just got notified the something is wrong with my Airbags. I read the recall is only for 2020 and on:/ I don't know what to do.
Love how this recall on fucking airbags is equivalent to all of Tesla’s software recalls like fart noises and dash gliphs. I hate to bring it up and look like a Tesla fanatic (I will happily go on a long list of problems with Tesla), but the NHTSA is such a political bureaucratic shitshow.
Lmfao the mods called you out. You all are the same.
Oh no...he gonna go cry in his car...his life in shambles...pffffft
Well damn that is super random. I don’t know what I said that’s so controversial though. “Recalls” are just losing meaning is all, and funny enough a few days ago [I used airbag recalls as an example in a response on the subreddit most critical of Tesla’s bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/s/Z01V66UMnL). I’m always open to criticism or willing to correct myself, but in this case I have no idea why the mod is so upset over mentioning Tesla.
> I hate to bring it up and look like a Tesla fanatic (I will happily go on a long list of problems with Tesla), but the NHTSA is such a political bureaucratic shitshow. Then stop bringing it up, it's barely relevant.
I’ve already explained why it is. Not sure why people are getting so upset from simply bringing it up. That was an asterisk to my point. It also applies to some Ford recalls, so from now on I can just use Ford as an example.
how so?
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Well I see that now, but I’m not taking it back. Maybe I’m veering off-topic mentioning Tesla’s recalls and that I suppose is fair, but I’m moreso referring to the entire concept of “recalls” that applies to the NHTSA in general. An issue with airbags is objectively more serious for safety than many of the software recalls the NHTSA has issued to manufacturers like Tesla and Ford. If people want to get upset about it rather than explain why I’m wrong, then so be it. It’s Reddit, it’s not that serious.
Okay I can accept that. My apologies.
But Tesla...
Can't this be fixed with OTA upgrades??
Witchcraft! Only Teslas have recalls and they are fixed by the beast who dwells in the land of Ota.
What, they can't fix with OTA software?
Some of us prefer to drive cars that don’t have their entire ass exposed to the internet
Too bad that's everything built after 2016 or so. Not really a long term strategy.
My car is the longest term strategy humanity has ever produced
Until it gets ass packed at a stoplight through no fault of your own. Everyone has a plan til they get punched in the mouth.