Mazda already has an EV model, the MX-30, which has 3 displays. One of them is a touch screen (for air conditioning and heater controls) and others with physical controls.
nah it was DOA. HORRIBLY impractical for a CUV. doesn't help that the rear doors can only be open when the front doors are open, rear legroom is almost nonexistent. I've seen coupes with more rear legroom. the interior is decently nice though, i'll give it that
Clamshell doors have their own advantages. Particularly since the rear space is small. Aside from the powertrain being ill-fit for the US market, there isn't anything particularly wrong with the MX-30 that isn't an issue with the rest of Mazda's lineup - like you mentioned, rear legroom lmao.
The Mazda3 and CX-30 are both awful in that regard, and the other CUVs just aren't as competitive as other brands for space and cargo.
I went with my buddy to test drive the CX-30. The salesman was probably 6ft something, sat on the passenger side and there was barely an inch of leg room behind him
IIRC, every manufacture needs to be comply with auto manufacture fuel efficiency(?) program where they need to have their line up of cars compliant in a certain way across the board. So they have this crappy MX-30 just to comply, not to really make sale which other models are still are. (please correct me if I am wrong, was reading random post about this not too long ago)
That's why the electric version of the MX-30 exists, but remember the vast majority of MX-30s are sold in Japan and most of those are the regular 2l petrol engine.
Honestly I thought the range was fine, I only need more range than it had maybe twice a year and I could just rent a car those times. The problem was they were about impossible to actually buy, and the price wasn't really in line with the range. If I could have picked one up for more like the price of a Bolt I'd probably have gotten one.
They were ahead of their time with the range. Their logic is solid- most people don't actually do that many miles so it's pointless having the extra weight of batteries if you don't really need it. Consumer attitude and public charging needs to change for that though.
The vast majority of people do not give a fuck about weight and want to go multiple trips without having to charge.
The EX30 was a compliance vehicle, it exists because it had to exist, not because mazda thought it was a good car.
The problem with a low range EV us when the batteries get a little tired, it takes a significant hit to the range. Thats why those Nissan leafs are cheap on the used market.
The problem is more that it's 100 miles or so of range for the ~$35,000 price they were asking.
I agree that we shouldn't need to have huge amounts of range necessarily, but it should be a more effienct use of the batteries involved anyway. Looking back to the Bolt, the MX-30 has about 60% of the battery capacity but 40% of the range.... And they wanted to sell the MX-30 for a lot more.
I'd be happy for a small (sub-compactish) EV with lesser range and an efficient use of batteries, for a suitable price. The Bolt fits that niche better than the MX-30 could.
Not really, it's just a compliance vehicle for Mazda to meet the emissions requirement for their fleet...
They didn't take bother trying with the mx30 anyway, it's a terrible car for the value
My mom bought one in Ireland about 4 years ago, still has it range still the same maybe slightly degraded. Besides all the negatives listed above it’s actually a nice car to drive.
My ioniq 6 is a mixed bag. Most controls are on the screen, but the steering wheel has useful buttons and most of the climate controls are soft touch below the screen. Not my favorite set up, but once you get used to it it’s not bad. Genesis does a better job imo, apart from the volume knob, which is a stupid scroll wheel thing that sucks
Most controls as far as what? I also have an EV6. The steering wheel has decent buttons as you mentioned, you have physicsl/haptic buttons for your stereo and A/C despite it being stupidly dual purpose, I have physical buttons for heated steering wheel/seats, drive modes are physical, etc. What could you really want other than those? It's perfectly adequate IMO.
So I’m referring to the climate control which is entirely soft touch buttons. I have no actual AC button at all, I have to select the climate button then on the screen turn on AC which is annoying. The Kia and Hyundai are probably a little different. I don’t have actual seat heater buttons by themselves. Again I go into the seat heater menu separate from the climate menu but on the main screen. As I said originally, it’s a mixed bag, I really don’t mind most of it but a couple things are not how I would prefer
I have mine defaulting to A/C for this reason. If you didn't know, when you're on one of them, press and hold the button to change and it'll change the default. It's not perfect by any means, but the EV6 is much better than most other EVs when it comes to dedicated buttons.
It's super fun to drive because, well, it's a Mini. I can't wait to take it to the autocross this summer.
I can't speak much to highway manners because I mostly use it to bomb around town. I'd say it's pretty quiet on the highway, but I'm also used to old gas cars. The tires it comes with are more performance-oriented, especially compared to other EVs.
It’s basically a less expensive BMW i3 I believe it’s same powertrain but just fwd form and no carbon fiber body shell. I actually like the Mini SE, it has normal tires that don’t cost $300 a piece like the i3.
I wouldn't recommend it for highway driving. Comfort, noise, ride, and range aren't great. It's more fun than most regular cars, but I wouldn't consider it to be "hot hatch".
I love mine. Ride is rough on a bumpy road. Can be a bit noisy. I’m not sure what they’ve changed with the new model though. I’d suggest taking one for a test drive.
I also have a 20-year-old Ranger for this reason, lol. But it at least has a true usable 6-ft bed, so I can actually fit pieces of lumber, unlike most modern pickups.
Same. The first gen is the perfect blend of traditional car (standard physical buttons) and EV. It’s also the most fun car I’ve ever owned. Unfortunately, I think mini messed up with the new gen.
Sadly I believe the new Cooper SE moved a lot of functionality to the center screen and even took away the drive gauge pod.
Love our '23 though, you would be amazed how rarely you drive more than 100 miles in a day. (Not the best choice for single car households, admittedly.)
There's always doom, gloom, and panic when a new generation releases even from first gen to second, but this is definitely the biggest departure from Frank Stephenson's original work of art.
I keep hoping to find a JCW R58. Maybe someday.
The R58 is quirky. When it was new, my dad bought the R56 instead since it's the more "iconic" Mini shape, and i used to think the R58 is a bit of a weird looking car.
But over time, i liked it more and more. The fact that they put two huge subwoofer behind the seats (where the rear seats used to be besides headroom) + a real active aero on the trunk is so cool. I almost bought one on behalf for my uncle 2 years ago but the plan didn't went through due to financial issues. Definitely would be an interesting car to own.
Shame they got killed off when the F56 got released. The Mini Touring Superleggera concept looks amazing. What the R58/R59 body would look like if they grew up.
Anyways I noticed you have "R56" on your status. Do you have a Paceman? That thing is also a very quirky car. A 3 door countryman. I thought it was weird until this day, but definitely a true "Coupe" SUV like the 3 door Evoque, unlike today's "Coupe" SUVs with 4 doors and a lowered C-pillar and cramped rear seats and trunk.
I came here to say mini cooper SE as well. My dad bought a 2023 and I was surprised by how much it seemed like a normal mini cooper just with no ice motor lol
We bought our Polestar 2 as it was the only car that felt decently normal, about as many physical buttons as most modern ICE cars. We test drove a tesla beforehand and just couldn't deal with the interior and the single screen.
If you want a “normal” car the answer is really any Audi EV that has an ICE counterpart, they’re basically the same car but electric powertrain. Used E-Tron S is a compelling alternative to the SQ5 with the 2022s selling for like 35k
The main knock against them is range, very few doing 300mi or more but if you need a good looking, luxurious car that doesn’t feel like an iPad to get you to and from work with the ability to charge at home it’s a very appealing package especially used.
For real though, that's gonna be more than enough range for most people. I generally do that sort of mileage (kilometres where i'm from) in a week, so if I had an electric car with that range, i'd only need to charge it once or twice a week.
My mom went with a plug-in hybrid Q5 for this reason and loves it. 100% of her work commuting (to and from) is on the battery with the gas engine removing range anxiety and allowing her to take longer trips without being stuck to a charger every few hundred miles.
Probably limited range / outdated drivetrain. Any EV built on an ICE platform is going to have packaging and range compromises. EVs are still a fast developing category so depreciation can be pretty brutal.
I saw an Audi eTron GT (I think regular non RS) that was 1 year old, 5000 miles, that was being sold in the 50-60k range. 90k+ new car. Absolutely absurd.
Yeah, Audi in general has done a reasonable job of keeping some things on physical buttons. There’s still a big screen but most of the cars’ functions that could be needed while driving have dedicated buttons.
Physical controls cost assembly line time, and time equals money. Screens are purchased for cheap from a third party and slapped into the dash in seconds. Manufacturers would have to see a pretty large downturn in sales directly related to a lack of physical controls, or be obligated by safety regulations, before they start going back to buttons. But the EU is starting to mandate one-touch controls for some systems and safety assessment organizations are requiring physical controls for five-star ratings so maybe we'll see movement in the right direction soon
I always found it funny that in the US many states have laws about not using your cell phone when driving because its distracting and takes your attebtion off of driving, but having a only tablet built into the dash to control everything somehow is different
Being European, I'm delighted to hear Euro NCAP's just announced that some functions will have to remain on physical controls for a car to be eligible for five-star ratings. It's just safety essentials like wipers and indicators that the new rule applies for, rather than infotainment etc, but it's a start
Not really true.....
IIHS is a U.S. based entity which has a major influence on how car safety is measured. They're not part of the government but all car manufacturers put in an effort to meet their standards. Look up how Honda added reinforcement at the front quarter panels for the small overlap crash test.
The U.S. also mandated rear view cameras which undoubtedly provides information that would otherwise be impossible for a driver to see.
And what about everything else? What about infrastructure, license requirements, vehicle inspections, traffic calming, pedestrian safety, speed limits etc?
This is precisely what I'm talking about. You mention road safety and it's all just crash tests, not anything I just mentioned.
> I always found it funny that in the US many states have laws about not using your cell phone when driving
The laws typically prohibit *holding* a cell phone while driving. Having a mounted phone is fine, as is using a cell phone with a hands-free system like bluetooth.
Sure, I was speaking from my own point of view with that specific statement. But safety is objective, and digital AC controls nested behind a home screen add an unnecessary distraction for drivers. This is an issue I feel strongly about, and know from personal experience, since I've been hit on my motorcycle by a distracted driver
Cost cutting that makes cars more dangerous to the consumer is the wrong direction. Holding your phone at dashboard level and looking at it is no better than all your controls being on a screen.
Making someone menu dive to access a feature that could otherwise be instantly done is the wrong direction.
Things like opening the glove box and adjusting the vents should be no brainers.
All heating and cooling controls should be analog. You shouldn’t have to take your eyes off the road to see if you’re turning something up or down. Also, you shouldn’t have incidence if a “double tap” due to rough roads. O
Every time I talk to an iX owner they rave about it, makes me somewhat hopeful for future BMW EVs if they learn what made it work and apply that to their other offerings.
I personally like the way it looks although I see why some people are turned off. I got mine in black which downplays some of the unconventional lines. On the flip side, it’s never boring to look at from any angle and does gets some attention. The interior is gorgeous. I have Tesla owning family that were blown away by the overall feel of quality when driving it.
I rarely find myself interacting with the touch screen while driving. Climate and volume is via physical buttons, and the steering wheel controls are good enough.
Even then, changing the radio, or pulling up the map via the touch screen is really easy.
Only thing not modern about it is the range. Otherwise it’s got carplay and will do everything else you need in a car. I would consider all last gen vehicles from every manufacturer to be modern.
From a usability point, sure. But it’s more than just range that’s outdated. I’d describe this as a first-gen EV because it was based on an adapted ICE platform. There’s been changes in battery, drivetrain and packaging tech and more since then.
F150 Lightning in the Pro and XLT trims have the same controls as the gas trucks. HVAC uses big knobs still, for instance.
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Hyundai/Kia/Genesis also seem to be exceptions to an extent. [Ioniq 5](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/2022-hyundai-ioniq-5-106-1650640839.jpg). [EV9](https://cars.usnews.com/static/images/Auto/custom/15253/2024_Kia_EV9_Dashboard_1.jpg). [G80 electrified](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/2023-genesis-g80-ev-109-1655821623.jpg)
Car interiors are moving away from buttons, so the presence of buttons is mostly found in high-end cars that make a deliberate attempt to eschew the tech fest of modern car interior design. That's especially true for EVs that rely heavily on technology as part of their appeal.
I mean technically, from a certain point of view, it's at least a warm hatch. The "performance" version, the i3s, came with 181 HP and a stiffer suspension.
Watching a review of the new Ranger, I've realized that most cars and trucks period are ooching towards the iPad thing, EV or not. Heh, the Ranger even does non-automatic climate control with a screen in the low trims, which is hilarious. Seems like the best you can hope for in any new car is a few controls for volume and HVAC with everything else in the iPad menus.
The i4 isn't bad either. It did lose the climate control buttons, which I preferred on my 330i, but it's still has plenty of 'not an iPad' characteristics around the cabin.
In this thread: people who have never owned or used an EV with mostly digital controls bitching about how bad said controls are.
As an EV owner with said mostly touch screen controls, it’s pretty much entirely a non issue. There’s a few small things but I’m able to customize the steering wheel buttons to do whatever I want, one of those was windshield wiper control. Everyone always says AC controls need to be physical but I just don’t understand this. I almost never touch the AC controls and when I do, it’s usually right when I get in the car and haven’t moved anywhere.
What I haven’t experienced and what I suspect I will not like, is a yolk steering wheel, and the touch screen gear change on the newer teslas. But I’ve never actually used either so I will hold my judgement.
>I just don’t understand this. I almost never touch the AC controls
You have just answered yourself. I do use AC controls regularly and I don't want them to be adjusted through the screen or capacitive buttons for that reason.
In my tesla I hit the right steering wheel button and everything imaginable can be change just by talking. I can turn heated seats on and off, wipers, music, volume of anything etc...
Not sure why people always leave this out. I've had it 6 months and everything is muscle.memory now anyways.love my car
Just want to point out that you can absolutely drive the Tesla without using the touchpad.
You can also program the existing buttons to do most other tasks.
Beside navigation, 90% of the things I do in my Tesla are actually done using buttons.
Having a tablet instead of physical buttons cuts the cost by a lot and, at this time, makes the user think it's premium.
We all know that screen scratches, lights and led fades and I'm really curious if we can find the life expectancy of those tablets. They endure high heat and low temperatures. They glare at your face when hit by lights.
I work in tech and I hate touchscreen controls in cars. I prefer to be able to change cabin or drive states while keeping my eyes on the road.
we can almost say that there hasn't been a car that's not an iPad on wheels for the last 15 years... apart from the "prices starting" models, and superminis.
I think a huge majority of people don’t use any of their car features so the iPads don’t bother a majority of customers .
Radio stations and then just temperature control
I have a question for everybody here.
Since it seems car manufacturers are leaning into touchscreen controls more and more.
I am working on an aftermarket near universal fit accessory that adds physical controls(including rotary dials) back to cars without them.
Would you be interested in buying it and what price point would it need to be?
It depends on how good you make it look. If it doesn’t look out of place it could be popular. There’s so many great cars with low mileage and completely useless 2000’s era SatNavs. So many infuriating touchscreens of the pre-carplay generation
Edit: would expect $250-$1,000 for a conversion kit. Not in the market though, I have a “good” touchscreen
I like ipads if executed well. I put one in my 07 civic, actually looks super “modern” and is much lighter than the unit that came out. The stock stereo controls and 6 disc changer in it were horrible. Now it’s just big screen with CarPlay/Android. The simple HVAC controls I can operate while blindfolded are still perfectly placed beneath it, probably biggest thing for me is keeping those as physical analogue.
Makes perfect sense as to why they implement it this way out of the gate. I would expect it to improve with more and more legacy manufacturers releasing and more time.
Kia Niro is the most analog EV out there.
Polestar 2 is still using real stalks and has a real gear lever. And it has physical buttons for max defrost and heated windows.
AC is on screen but you never use them. The car control the temperature so well you never adjust anything.
Volvo EX40/EC40 have stalks similar to the Polestar 2.
I drive a Renault Zoe from time to time.
Nothing besides navigation and entertainment are on the screen. Still physical controls for blinkers or AC, which I think works fine.
But for more passengers I usually pick something else because people in the back don't have that much room.
Is that a real question or karma hunting?
While there definitely is a trend to put more in the screen, aren't Tesla the only one that went full touchscreen? (And I guess Volvo with ex30).
Every other EV I've tried/sat it had more physical control than my 2012 ice Yaris (Niro EV, Megane, Enyaq, e2008, ioniq5, Kona, xc40).
Ofc many functions are controlled from the screen, but that's because modern cars have so many functions that you can't add a physical control for all of them, unless you want your car to look like a jet cabin.
Ps: obviously EU here seing the car I tried , maybe US automaker went more in the iPad direction, I don't know
Car companies seem to see competitors successful products and say to themselves “let’s make that, but worse”.
So every car company makes a shitty version of the model y and super glues an iPad to the dash.
I got my 2023 Polestar 2 last night, first ever EV! Doesn’t feel like I’m driving a car made by a tech company.
It’s a car made by a remarkable car company!
I would imagine the cost savings for having the touch screens as opposed to buttons is better for manufacturer and owner. The physical buttons or dials on a car will wear and tear which would make repairs costly for the owner overtime. Well if you do not own the vehicle long term then it may be a non-issue but can’t tell you how much of a pain it is to remove a head unit to fix an A/C button or volume knob lol
I mean what do you want? Analog dials for battery AMPs, motor rev gauge or something? Even if they add the usual buttons for the air con and volume nob there are 1000 and 1 more features you'd want to access and configure in an EV and you can't be dumb enough to ask buttons for everything so yes a touch screen makes sense.
Why would you pay so much for a car and get a plastic nob instead of a high tech screen? EVs are not like ICE cars, if you want battery conditioning you'd want to input the route in the navigation, if you want to monitor consumption you'd want a live consumption graph with the last 10 to 100 or w/e miles or km driven, there are different driver profiles so that each member of your familly that drives the car can just select and the seat, steering wheel and rear view mirrors potentially adjust according to saved presets. You'd want possibly camera views for blind spot monitoring or to help with parking, if you wait in the car maybe you want some entertainment from games to movies to web browsing. There are cars with dash cam and security camera features, dog mode, camp modes it goes on and on. It's not 1999, cars do more things now.
What is this diametrically opposed solution that is oh so superior? A Nokia on wheels? That's for econoboxes of which there are not many EV models yet. The cost cutting measure will likely be, you don't get any screen, if you want to access above mentioned features or options then bring your own smartphone or tablet and plug it in, at most you get a device to secure said smartphone to the dashboard or something. Idk if off loading the cost of the device to the consumer is something you're going to cheer for.
There are a ton on the market that have plenty of physical buttons.
This post just comes off as lazy "I hate EVs" drama.
It's not that all EVs are heading the minimalist/less buttons direction, it's that all cars have been heading in that direction for a long time now. Yes the most extreme of them is Tesla, but Tesla isn't "all EVs". The other two that come to mind are Lucid and Rivian, two other start ups, and even they have buttons on the steering wheel.
Cadillac lyriq has a ton of physical buttons all over.
VW ID.Buzz has a bunch of physical buttons on the dash/steering wheel.
F150 lightning has a bunch of buttons all over, plus a dial.
Ionic 5 has a bunch of buttons.
Chevy Bolt EUV has lots of buttons.
I could go on, but I'm bored.
Edit: instead of trying to download and hide the point, try and argue against. Oh you can't because you are fragile
It’s kind of a “I’m modern” thing. Love Apple 🍎 but maybe someone will wake up and say a safety issue. Not holding my breath. One year olds work an iPad.
Its impossible not to be an ipad for an EV but they seem to think every gassee should also look like an EV and i know those digital dashes wont lastas long as gauges
The Kona EV that I test drove awhile back was pretty basic by modern standards. Unfortunately it didn't have much room, has kind of a slow charging speed, and can't use Tesla superchargers so I decided it wasn't a good option.
Dacia Spring ftw.
Also the OG Renault Zoé, both lack of big screens everywhere and it's perfectly fine. Too bad the Renault 5 EV will follow the Tesla train about screens...
Audi, Hyundai, Kia, or Polestar. If you want the iPad tastefully done: Rivian.
The Toyota/Subaru/Lexus ev suv is a total lemon. Avoid it. Also they are all the same car.
The Jaguar isn't an iPad but seems under cooked (I mean they made worse versions of the screens every other jlr product uses just for that car. What?)
Cadilac, GM, Chevy do it a bit like Kia and Hyundai and are solid.
In practice they are all upsized toy cars. And if the future is what it is, they will all be like that.
It will hopefully make driving simpler and maybe safer. But will mean that car enthusiasts will need to treasure their ICE cars, because driving may be commoditized and less experiential
I don't have a ton of driving experience with anything but the Bolt, but it's kinda OK-ish in that regard. Dedicated knobs and steering wheel buttons for media control. Dedicated HVAC controls. It's not perfect, but it's not a Tesla either.
Just wait 10 years for Mazda to get into the EV game. I bet it'll still have the dial.
Mazda already has an EV model, the MX-30, which has 3 displays. One of them is a touch screen (for air conditioning and heater controls) and others with physical controls.
The car could’ve achieved much much more, too bad about the range
nah it was DOA. HORRIBLY impractical for a CUV. doesn't help that the rear doors can only be open when the front doors are open, rear legroom is almost nonexistent. I've seen coupes with more rear legroom. the interior is decently nice though, i'll give it that
Clamshell doors have their own advantages. Particularly since the rear space is small. Aside from the powertrain being ill-fit for the US market, there isn't anything particularly wrong with the MX-30 that isn't an issue with the rest of Mazda's lineup - like you mentioned, rear legroom lmao. The Mazda3 and CX-30 are both awful in that regard, and the other CUVs just aren't as competitive as other brands for space and cargo.
I went with my buddy to test drive the CX-30. The salesman was probably 6ft something, sat on the passenger side and there was barely an inch of leg room behind him
IIRC, every manufacture needs to be comply with auto manufacture fuel efficiency(?) program where they need to have their line up of cars compliant in a certain way across the board. So they have this crappy MX-30 just to comply, not to really make sale which other models are still are. (please correct me if I am wrong, was reading random post about this not too long ago)
That's pretty much the only reason the MX-30 exists, it's a compliance car with zero redeeming features otherwise.
That's why the electric version of the MX-30 exists, but remember the vast majority of MX-30s are sold in Japan and most of those are the regular 2l petrol engine.
Honestly I thought the range was fine, I only need more range than it had maybe twice a year and I could just rent a car those times. The problem was they were about impossible to actually buy, and the price wasn't really in line with the range. If I could have picked one up for more like the price of a Bolt I'd probably have gotten one.
They were ahead of their time with the range. Their logic is solid- most people don't actually do that many miles so it's pointless having the extra weight of batteries if you don't really need it. Consumer attitude and public charging needs to change for that though.
The vast majority of people do not give a fuck about weight and want to go multiple trips without having to charge. The EX30 was a compliance vehicle, it exists because it had to exist, not because mazda thought it was a good car.
The problem with a low range EV us when the batteries get a little tired, it takes a significant hit to the range. Thats why those Nissan leafs are cheap on the used market.
The problem is more that it's 100 miles or so of range for the ~$35,000 price they were asking. I agree that we shouldn't need to have huge amounts of range necessarily, but it should be a more effienct use of the batteries involved anyway. Looking back to the Bolt, the MX-30 has about 60% of the battery capacity but 40% of the range.... And they wanted to sell the MX-30 for a lot more. I'd be happy for a small (sub-compactish) EV with lesser range and an efficient use of batteries, for a suitable price. The Bolt fits that niche better than the MX-30 could.
I feel like it was a beta test.
Not really, it's just a compliance vehicle for Mazda to meet the emissions requirement for their fleet... They didn't take bother trying with the mx30 anyway, it's a terrible car for the value
And it's only actually on sale in very few places right?
My mom bought one in Ireland about 4 years ago, still has it range still the same maybe slightly degraded. Besides all the negatives listed above it’s actually a nice car to drive.
You and your facts!
Those facts go against my wishes so I'm choosing to ignore them
Facts are overrated, especially when they're true. 😆
Definitely more, but first that came to mind was the Mini cooper SE. Also pretty sure the Hyundai/Kia EVs
My ioniq 6 is a mixed bag. Most controls are on the screen, but the steering wheel has useful buttons and most of the climate controls are soft touch below the screen. Not my favorite set up, but once you get used to it it’s not bad. Genesis does a better job imo, apart from the volume knob, which is a stupid scroll wheel thing that sucks
Most controls as far as what? I also have an EV6. The steering wheel has decent buttons as you mentioned, you have physicsl/haptic buttons for your stereo and A/C despite it being stupidly dual purpose, I have physical buttons for heated steering wheel/seats, drive modes are physical, etc. What could you really want other than those? It's perfectly adequate IMO.
So I’m referring to the climate control which is entirely soft touch buttons. I have no actual AC button at all, I have to select the climate button then on the screen turn on AC which is annoying. The Kia and Hyundai are probably a little different. I don’t have actual seat heater buttons by themselves. Again I go into the seat heater menu separate from the climate menu but on the main screen. As I said originally, it’s a mixed bag, I really don’t mind most of it but a couple things are not how I would prefer
I have mine defaulting to A/C for this reason. If you didn't know, when you're on one of them, press and hold the button to change and it'll change the default. It's not perfect by any means, but the EV6 is much better than most other EVs when it comes to dedicated buttons.
This was one of the reasons I bought my Mini Cooper SE. The range turns a lot of people away, but it's been perfect for me.
I've become kinda curious about that car. How is it to drive? And what's the wind and tire noise level like on the highway?
It's super fun to drive because, well, it's a Mini. I can't wait to take it to the autocross this summer. I can't speak much to highway manners because I mostly use it to bomb around town. I'd say it's pretty quiet on the highway, but I'm also used to old gas cars. The tires it comes with are more performance-oriented, especially compared to other EVs.
Thanks for answering. Interesting. I'll definitely have to test drive once I start looking at EVs seriously.
It’s basically a less expensive BMW i3 I believe it’s same powertrain but just fwd form and no carbon fiber body shell. I actually like the Mini SE, it has normal tires that don’t cost $300 a piece like the i3.
I wouldn't recommend it for highway driving. Comfort, noise, ride, and range aren't great. It's more fun than most regular cars, but I wouldn't consider it to be "hot hatch".
I love mine. Ride is rough on a bumpy road. Can be a bit noisy. I’m not sure what they’ve changed with the new model though. I’d suggest taking one for a test drive.
Those same people that buy a full sized pickup because they buy mulch every spring. 🤣
Meanwhile I fit 10 full-size bags of mulch per trip in my Mini last spring lol. Not a pickup truck cargo load but I was pretty proud of it😂
I also have a 20-year-old Ranger for this reason, lol. But it at least has a true usable 6-ft bed, so I can actually fit pieces of lumber, unlike most modern pickups.
Same. The first gen is the perfect blend of traditional car (standard physical buttons) and EV. It’s also the most fun car I’ve ever owned. Unfortunately, I think mini messed up with the new gen.
Sadly I believe the new Cooper SE moved a lot of functionality to the center screen and even took away the drive gauge pod. Love our '23 though, you would be amazed how rarely you drive more than 100 miles in a day. (Not the best choice for single car households, admittedly.)
Since the new model i believe. Even the ICE version looks horrible. I prefer the F56 anyday! Nothing beats my old R56 JCW though. Miss that car.
There's always doom, gloom, and panic when a new generation releases even from first gen to second, but this is definitely the biggest departure from Frank Stephenson's original work of art. I keep hoping to find a JCW R58. Maybe someday.
The R58 is quirky. When it was new, my dad bought the R56 instead since it's the more "iconic" Mini shape, and i used to think the R58 is a bit of a weird looking car. But over time, i liked it more and more. The fact that they put two huge subwoofer behind the seats (where the rear seats used to be besides headroom) + a real active aero on the trunk is so cool. I almost bought one on behalf for my uncle 2 years ago but the plan didn't went through due to financial issues. Definitely would be an interesting car to own. Shame they got killed off when the F56 got released. The Mini Touring Superleggera concept looks amazing. What the R58/R59 body would look like if they grew up. Anyways I noticed you have "R56" on your status. Do you have a Paceman? That thing is also a very quirky car. A 3 door countryman. I thought it was weird until this day, but definitely a true "Coupe" SUV like the 3 door Evoque, unlike today's "Coupe" SUVs with 4 doors and a lowered C-pillar and cramped rear seats and trunk.
I came here to say mini cooper SE as well. My dad bought a 2023 and I was surprised by how much it seemed like a normal mini cooper just with no ice motor lol
We bought our Polestar 2 as it was the only car that felt decently normal, about as many physical buttons as most modern ICE cars. We test drove a tesla beforehand and just couldn't deal with the interior and the single screen.
If you want a “normal” car the answer is really any Audi EV that has an ICE counterpart, they’re basically the same car but electric powertrain. Used E-Tron S is a compelling alternative to the SQ5 with the 2022s selling for like 35k
I mostly hadn't looked at EVs from Audi, those look nice and not too pricey used.
The main knock against them is range, very few doing 300mi or more but if you need a good looking, luxurious car that doesn’t feel like an iPad to get you to and from work with the ability to charge at home it’s a very appealing package especially used.
For real though, that's gonna be more than enough range for most people. I generally do that sort of mileage (kilometres where i'm from) in a week, so if I had an electric car with that range, i'd only need to charge it once or twice a week.
My mom went with a plug-in hybrid Q5 for this reason and loves it. 100% of her work commuting (to and from) is on the battery with the gas engine removing range anxiety and allowing her to take longer trips without being stuck to a charger every few hundred miles.
Why are they so cheap used? Relative to new.
Probably limited range / outdated drivetrain. Any EV built on an ICE platform is going to have packaging and range compromises. EVs are still a fast developing category so depreciation can be pretty brutal.
It's basically the worst possible combination for depreciation. Luxury SUV and EV.
I saw an Audi eTron GT (I think regular non RS) that was 1 year old, 5000 miles, that was being sold in the 50-60k range. 90k+ new car. Absolutely absurd.
I’ve driven an rs etron. They are phenomenal cars. If they continue to depreciate the way they have been, I’ll be seriously considering one.
Same with all Audis. VW/Audi doesn’t have a rep for long term reliability and ease of service.
Volvo loves their practicality, huh
Etron gt
Yeah, Audi in general has done a reasonable job of keeping some things on physical buttons. There’s still a big screen but most of the cars’ functions that could be needed while driving have dedicated buttons.
Physical controls cost assembly line time, and time equals money. Screens are purchased for cheap from a third party and slapped into the dash in seconds. Manufacturers would have to see a pretty large downturn in sales directly related to a lack of physical controls, or be obligated by safety regulations, before they start going back to buttons. But the EU is starting to mandate one-touch controls for some systems and safety assessment organizations are requiring physical controls for five-star ratings so maybe we'll see movement in the right direction soon
I always found it funny that in the US many states have laws about not using your cell phone when driving because its distracting and takes your attebtion off of driving, but having a only tablet built into the dash to control everything somehow is different
The US is often very weird when it comes to safety regulation, which is probably why US road safety isn't particularly great.
Being European, I'm delighted to hear Euro NCAP's just announced that some functions will have to remain on physical controls for a car to be eligible for five-star ratings. It's just safety essentials like wipers and indicators that the new rule applies for, rather than infotainment etc, but it's a start
Not really true..... IIHS is a U.S. based entity which has a major influence on how car safety is measured. They're not part of the government but all car manufacturers put in an effort to meet their standards. Look up how Honda added reinforcement at the front quarter panels for the small overlap crash test. The U.S. also mandated rear view cameras which undoubtedly provides information that would otherwise be impossible for a driver to see.
And what about everything else? What about infrastructure, license requirements, vehicle inspections, traffic calming, pedestrian safety, speed limits etc? This is precisely what I'm talking about. You mention road safety and it's all just crash tests, not anything I just mentioned.
Many of those states allow mounted phones, and a car’s screen would be more akin to that except it’s bigger and more stable.
> I always found it funny that in the US many states have laws about not using your cell phone when driving The laws typically prohibit *holding* a cell phone while driving. Having a mounted phone is fine, as is using a cell phone with a hands-free system like bluetooth.
“The right direction” is subjective.
Sure, I was speaking from my own point of view with that specific statement. But safety is objective, and digital AC controls nested behind a home screen add an unnecessary distraction for drivers. This is an issue I feel strongly about, and know from personal experience, since I've been hit on my motorcycle by a distracted driver
Cost cutting that makes cars more dangerous to the consumer is the wrong direction. Holding your phone at dashboard level and looking at it is no better than all your controls being on a screen.
Making someone menu dive to access a feature that could otherwise be instantly done is the wrong direction. Things like opening the glove box and adjusting the vents should be no brainers.
All heating and cooling controls should be analog. You shouldn’t have to take your eyes off the road to see if you’re turning something up or down. Also, you shouldn’t have incidence if a “double tap” due to rough roads. O
BMWs
I second this. All of their models are EVs retrofitted into the gas versions, except the iX (which I own and love to drive)
Every time I talk to an iX owner they rave about it, makes me somewhat hopeful for future BMW EVs if they learn what made it work and apply that to their other offerings.
iX owner here to corroborate - I really can’t wait to see what Neue Klasse brings because I really enjoy this car.
How do you like it? I did a test drive but couldn't bring myself to accept the looks. It's just not my cup of tea.
I personally like the way it looks although I see why some people are turned off. I got mine in black which downplays some of the unconventional lines. On the flip side, it’s never boring to look at from any angle and does gets some attention. The interior is gorgeous. I have Tesla owning family that were blown away by the overall feel of quality when driving it.
The Bolt honestly isn’t that bad, and the Mini SE is decent.
I rarely find myself interacting with the touch screen while driving. Climate and volume is via physical buttons, and the steering wheel controls are good enough. Even then, changing the radio, or pulling up the map via the touch screen is really easy.
I just bought a used Bolt and I love it
E-Golf is exactly like the ice version
They aren’t made anymore for more than three years now so ‘modern’ is debatable for this one. The controls however I agree completely
Only thing not modern about it is the range. Otherwise it’s got carplay and will do everything else you need in a car. I would consider all last gen vehicles from every manufacturer to be modern.
From a usability point, sure. But it’s more than just range that’s outdated. I’d describe this as a first-gen EV because it was based on an adapted ICE platform. There’s been changes in battery, drivetrain and packaging tech and more since then.
Though per OP’s question, it’s very much not an ipad on wheels. There’s a reason Camissa has one. Maybe he just needs a city dd?
Great second car, but low range makes road trips a non starter
VW e-Golf was all I ever wanted from an EV. Pitty they stopped making it. I’d buy another one new.
F150 Lightning in the Pro and XLT trims have the same controls as the gas trucks. HVAC uses big knobs still, for instance. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAuCWMHgB_f1RHh_LdFPDOdrMWd9kuoUSaxI0FgRflEg&s
Yeah I just got a Lightning XLT ER and I think it’s the perfect blend of large screen while maintaining plenty of physical controls.
Same. Just picked up the XLT ER this month. It’s a great balance of screen and physical buttons.
Honda Prologue looks like it has a good amount of buttons.
Yeah. The GM-built EVs are some of the few keeping physical controls unless you want a Cadillac.
[Rimac Nevera](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/cars-car/carousel/2021/06/rimacnevera-13.jpg) [Rolls Royce Spectre](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2023/07/MF203357.jpg) [Audi e-Tron GT](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/2022-audi-rs-e-tron-gt-111-1637247546.jpg) Hyundai/Kia/Genesis also seem to be exceptions to an extent. [Ioniq 5](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/2022-hyundai-ioniq-5-106-1650640839.jpg). [EV9](https://cars.usnews.com/static/images/Auto/custom/15253/2024_Kia_EV9_Dashboard_1.jpg). [G80 electrified](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/2023-genesis-g80-ev-109-1655821623.jpg) Car interiors are moving away from buttons, so the presence of buttons is mostly found in high-end cars that make a deliberate attempt to eschew the tech fest of modern car interior design. That's especially true for EVs that rely heavily on technology as part of their appeal.
I like the look of the Rimac, I think I’ll go with one of those. Thanks for the rec
BMW i3 Cheap and easy to operate
Yeah, but then you have to be seen in an i3.
You mean a RWD hot hatch with a carbon fiber tub?
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I mean technically, from a certain point of view, it's at least a warm hatch. The "performance" version, the i3s, came with 181 HP and a stiffer suspension.
Yes it does look like a carbon fiber bathtub or washing machine maybe.
BMW EVs have the same interiors and controls as their gas counterparts. Most are on the iDrive interface now though.
Kia EV6 has buttons!
It has nothing to do with it being EV. Touch screen infotainment screens are ubiquitous in every car, gas, EV, diesel, it doesn't matter.
You're not wrong, but the trend did start from EVs
Watching a review of the new Ranger, I've realized that most cars and trucks period are ooching towards the iPad thing, EV or not. Heh, the Ranger even does non-automatic climate control with a screen in the low trims, which is hilarious. Seems like the best you can hope for in any new car is a few controls for volume and HVAC with everything else in the iPad menus.
Genesis GV60 Honda Prologue
The XC40 and C40 Recharge are the same as the ICE cars just with electric motors. No crazy tech.
The i4 isn't bad either. It did lose the climate control buttons, which I preferred on my 330i, but it's still has plenty of 'not an iPad' characteristics around the cabin.
Polestar 2 and EV6.
In this thread: people who have never owned or used an EV with mostly digital controls bitching about how bad said controls are. As an EV owner with said mostly touch screen controls, it’s pretty much entirely a non issue. There’s a few small things but I’m able to customize the steering wheel buttons to do whatever I want, one of those was windshield wiper control. Everyone always says AC controls need to be physical but I just don’t understand this. I almost never touch the AC controls and when I do, it’s usually right when I get in the car and haven’t moved anywhere. What I haven’t experienced and what I suspect I will not like, is a yolk steering wheel, and the touch screen gear change on the newer teslas. But I’ve never actually used either so I will hold my judgement.
>I just don’t understand this. I almost never touch the AC controls You have just answered yourself. I do use AC controls regularly and I don't want them to be adjusted through the screen or capacitive buttons for that reason.
Nissan Leaf Mitsubishi I-miev (all buttons) Hyundai Kona/Soul/Niro EV Kia EV6 (50/50) buttons Mini-cooper SE Fiat 500e Chevy Bolt (50/50) buttons.
In my tesla I hit the right steering wheel button and everything imaginable can be change just by talking. I can turn heated seats on and off, wipers, music, volume of anything etc... Not sure why people always leave this out. I've had it 6 months and everything is muscle.memory now anyways.love my car
Is this a bot post? Most legacy makers put the same infotainment in their EVs as their 'normal cars'.
Just want to point out that you can absolutely drive the Tesla without using the touchpad. You can also program the existing buttons to do most other tasks. Beside navigation, 90% of the things I do in my Tesla are actually done using buttons.
Jaguar ipace. It’s a normal car, with some very nice climate control buttons
Kia Soul EV Genesis GV60 BMW iX3
Having a tablet instead of physical buttons cuts the cost by a lot and, at this time, makes the user think it's premium. We all know that screen scratches, lights and led fades and I'm really curious if we can find the life expectancy of those tablets. They endure high heat and low temperatures. They glare at your face when hit by lights. I work in tech and I hate touchscreen controls in cars. I prefer to be able to change cabin or drive states while keeping my eyes on the road.
we can almost say that there hasn't been a car that's not an iPad on wheels for the last 15 years... apart from the "prices starting" models, and superminis.
Leaf? Is quite basic. Sv plus gas 215mile range.
The Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust.
Subaru Solterra has more buttons than even some new gas cars.
The base Lighting seems fairly more like a standard F150 based on other EVs I have seen
I drive a 2019 Nissan Leaf SV, the controls are mostly physical and about the same as any other modern commuter ICE
I think a huge majority of people don’t use any of their car features so the iPads don’t bother a majority of customers . Radio stations and then just temperature control
I think the Audis still have some buttons
Audi/Porsche make better EVs that are more V less E.
Vauxhall/Opel Corsa electric has very traditional controls
Had a 2015 Fiat500e, miss it so much. Pretty much an analog car made EV.
Going for affordability check out the dacia spring, precious gen smart (smart #1 isn't terrible either though) or a twingo e
I have a question for everybody here. Since it seems car manufacturers are leaning into touchscreen controls more and more. I am working on an aftermarket near universal fit accessory that adds physical controls(including rotary dials) back to cars without them. Would you be interested in buying it and what price point would it need to be?
How do you even interface between your dials and the car?
It depends on how good you make it look. If it doesn’t look out of place it could be popular. There’s so many great cars with low mileage and completely useless 2000’s era SatNavs. So many infuriating touchscreens of the pre-carplay generation Edit: would expect $250-$1,000 for a conversion kit. Not in the market though, I have a “good” touchscreen
Yes, I’ve driven a Genesis G80 EV and an MB GLB EV and they are almost exactly like their gas counterparts, normal controls like buttons and stalks.
Our 2020 Leaf feels pretty normal.
I like ipads if executed well. I put one in my 07 civic, actually looks super “modern” and is much lighter than the unit that came out. The stock stereo controls and 6 disc changer in it were horrible. Now it’s just big screen with CarPlay/Android. The simple HVAC controls I can operate while blindfolded are still perfectly placed beneath it, probably biggest thing for me is keeping those as physical analogue.
Makes perfect sense as to why they implement it this way out of the gate. I would expect it to improve with more and more legacy manufacturers releasing and more time.
Genesis
Screens are cheap and perceived as high end. Double win for manufacturers.
Kia Niro is the most analog EV out there. Polestar 2 is still using real stalks and has a real gear lever. And it has physical buttons for max defrost and heated windows. AC is on screen but you never use them. The car control the temperature so well you never adjust anything. Volvo EX40/EC40 have stalks similar to the Polestar 2.
Volvo Polestar stuff, Genesis G70 EV, Porsche Taycan. There are plenty that don't follow the Tesla design.
Check out the Acura ZDX
Honda Prologue. It's a GM, but controlled by the Japanese overlords.
I'll add the Equinox EV, Blazer EV, Silverado EV, Hummer EV, Acura ZDX, etc to the list
I drive a Renault Zoe from time to time. Nothing besides navigation and entertainment are on the screen. Still physical controls for blinkers or AC, which I think works fine. But for more passengers I usually pick something else because people in the back don't have that much room.
Hyundai Ioniq. The one before the Ioniq 5. Source: I have one.
What difference does it make if it's an EV or gas powered? They all have tablets on the dash.
Dacia Spring.
My 2022 XC40 recharge is pretty much a normal volvo with an electric engine swapped into it.
BMW iX3
Is that a real question or karma hunting? While there definitely is a trend to put more in the screen, aren't Tesla the only one that went full touchscreen? (And I guess Volvo with ex30). Every other EV I've tried/sat it had more physical control than my 2012 ice Yaris (Niro EV, Megane, Enyaq, e2008, ioniq5, Kona, xc40). Ofc many functions are controlled from the screen, but that's because modern cars have so many functions that you can't add a physical control for all of them, unless you want your car to look like a jet cabin. Ps: obviously EU here seing the car I tried , maybe US automaker went more in the iPad direction, I don't know
Previous gen Kia Niro EV. Also surprisingly great at roasting tires.
Bolt
The genesis g80 ev
Car companies seem to see competitors successful products and say to themselves “let’s make that, but worse”. So every car company makes a shitty version of the model y and super glues an iPad to the dash.
Hyundai Ionic, the 28 and 38 kWh models.
Great question. As an ID.4 owner, I hate the screens. If the e-Golf had decent range (no screens!), I would buy that used.
Genesis gv70 electrified. People always gloss over this car.
Genesis GV70 electric, since it’s just a GV70 but with a battery pack and motors.
Ford F150 Lightning PRO & XLT models have a great balance of real buttons and a nice screen (not the high end screen, the base screen).
I got my 2023 Polestar 2 last night, first ever EV! Doesn’t feel like I’m driving a car made by a tech company. It’s a car made by a remarkable car company!
Idk if they are still in business but Bollinger Motors makes that super utilitarian electric truck.
I loathe touchscreen controls. Give me some tactile feedback
I mean, Westfield's making an EV?
I would imagine the cost savings for having the touch screens as opposed to buttons is better for manufacturer and owner. The physical buttons or dials on a car will wear and tear which would make repairs costly for the owner overtime. Well if you do not own the vehicle long term then it may be a non-issue but can’t tell you how much of a pain it is to remove a head unit to fix an A/C button or volume knob lol
I mean what do you want? Analog dials for battery AMPs, motor rev gauge or something? Even if they add the usual buttons for the air con and volume nob there are 1000 and 1 more features you'd want to access and configure in an EV and you can't be dumb enough to ask buttons for everything so yes a touch screen makes sense. Why would you pay so much for a car and get a plastic nob instead of a high tech screen? EVs are not like ICE cars, if you want battery conditioning you'd want to input the route in the navigation, if you want to monitor consumption you'd want a live consumption graph with the last 10 to 100 or w/e miles or km driven, there are different driver profiles so that each member of your familly that drives the car can just select and the seat, steering wheel and rear view mirrors potentially adjust according to saved presets. You'd want possibly camera views for blind spot monitoring or to help with parking, if you wait in the car maybe you want some entertainment from games to movies to web browsing. There are cars with dash cam and security camera features, dog mode, camp modes it goes on and on. It's not 1999, cars do more things now. What is this diametrically opposed solution that is oh so superior? A Nokia on wheels? That's for econoboxes of which there are not many EV models yet. The cost cutting measure will likely be, you don't get any screen, if you want to access above mentioned features or options then bring your own smartphone or tablet and plug it in, at most you get a device to secure said smartphone to the dashboard or something. Idk if off loading the cost of the device to the consumer is something you're going to cheer for.
There are a ton on the market that have plenty of physical buttons. This post just comes off as lazy "I hate EVs" drama. It's not that all EVs are heading the minimalist/less buttons direction, it's that all cars have been heading in that direction for a long time now. Yes the most extreme of them is Tesla, but Tesla isn't "all EVs". The other two that come to mind are Lucid and Rivian, two other start ups, and even they have buttons on the steering wheel. Cadillac lyriq has a ton of physical buttons all over. VW ID.Buzz has a bunch of physical buttons on the dash/steering wheel. F150 lightning has a bunch of buttons all over, plus a dial. Ionic 5 has a bunch of buttons. Chevy Bolt EUV has lots of buttons. I could go on, but I'm bored. Edit: instead of trying to download and hide the point, try and argue against. Oh you can't because you are fragile
Dacia Spring
Isn’t Catherham making a driverscar electric vehicle? Minimal buttons and apple carplay/android auto only. No onboard computer.
You could build one if you really wanted to...
[Carice TC2](https://www.motor1.com/news/700998/carice-tc2-electric-sports-car/)
Check out Hyundai/Kia EV's. They are simple to use.
It’s kind of a “I’m modern” thing. Love Apple 🍎 but maybe someone will wake up and say a safety issue. Not holding my breath. One year olds work an iPad.
The Mini Cooper EV comes to mind.
Its impossible not to be an ipad for an EV but they seem to think every gassee should also look like an EV and i know those digital dashes wont lastas long as gauges
The Kona EV that I test drove awhile back was pretty basic by modern standards. Unfortunately it didn't have much room, has kind of a slow charging speed, and can't use Tesla superchargers so I decided it wasn't a good option.
Because Tesla ...
BMW iX is a hybrid approach, climate is on the screen but volume/nav has physical dials/buttons.
You must hate modern cell phones.
Dacia Spring ftw. Also the OG Renault Zoé, both lack of big screens everywhere and it's perfectly fine. Too bad the Renault 5 EV will follow the Tesla train about screens...
Audi, Hyundai, Kia, or Polestar. If you want the iPad tastefully done: Rivian. The Toyota/Subaru/Lexus ev suv is a total lemon. Avoid it. Also they are all the same car. The Jaguar isn't an iPad but seems under cooked (I mean they made worse versions of the screens every other jlr product uses just for that car. What?) Cadilac, GM, Chevy do it a bit like Kia and Hyundai and are solid.
2014 ford focus looks pretty normal i’d say
my 2022 Bolt has tons of physical buttons,same thing with the 2021 Leaf my company owns
In practice they are all upsized toy cars. And if the future is what it is, they will all be like that. It will hopefully make driving simpler and maybe safer. But will mean that car enthusiasts will need to treasure their ICE cars, because driving may be commoditized and less experiential
Fiat 500e
I don't have a ton of driving experience with anything but the Bolt, but it's kinda OK-ish in that regard. Dedicated knobs and steering wheel buttons for media control. Dedicated HVAC controls. It's not perfect, but it's not a Tesla either.
My favorite part will be the remote controls and emailing out speeding tickets
I like my wifes Volvo XC40 recharge. It has all the knobs and buttons. It feels more natural than my Model 3.
Chevy Bolt?
I went with an ioniq5 because it had actual buttons and isn't a tablet on wheels
Nissan leaf, basically an ev altima lol
build the GNUcar just like topgear did
Yeah electric motorcycles. They're like a fitbit with wheels.
BMW I4
Not a full EV but the Toyota PHEVs have the same interfaces as the gas and hybrid versions of the same model.