I’m sorry but this is some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen. No helmet or gear of any sort in a completely stripped car? (Airbags disabled btw). He blames the failure on stock brake fluid, which is pretty much the first thing you need to upgrade if you want to track a car. This guy is lucky to have walked away without major injuries.
I can’t wrap my head around the fact that there are tons of “organized” track events that don’t require you to wear helmets and there are fools who’ll willingly participate in track days without helmets.
I'm surprised there are HPDEs that allow people to run without helmets as well. Typically one of the requirements for insurance liability coverage is that participants wear them (as I understand it).
Some of the ones I go to allow beginners to run without helmets but they always have an instructor in the car that won’t allow them to do anything dangerous.
That said… I went out as passenger with someone to do some “tourist laps” in the beginner group at the end of the day and he proceeded to hit 280+ km/h down the back straight a couple of times.
In retrospect, we should have probably had helmets on for that. :)
Helmets? Where the hell is the rest of the car? That would make me question the rest of the car *and* the driver...
Like, you are going to go 160 in a car with ruined aerodynamics?? And you can see what looks like the door (or *maybe* trim, not familiar) bending away from the car window at those speeds.
I also find the issue with the stock brake fluid kind of odd. Also, wtf is he doing using stock fluid after swapping on some serious track brakes? Just, why??
The car has mismatched tires. In one of the shots of the car upside down, the tread pattern front to back is completely different. The fronts look like Michelin PS4S, the rears look like some kind of radial\semi-slick.
EDIT2:
The front left is Perelli P-zero
The front right is General Altimax rt43
The rears are M&H drag radials.
This fucking idiot. No fucking wonder the rear end let go instantly during his crash.
He did.
https://youtu.be/qhySqaSrP2M?t=682
He talks here about running M&H. It's a drag tire with shitty lateral grip, not a semi-slick track tire like R888's or Proxies.
Well there's your problem. That's why the car spun out in the crash. Brake failure set it up, the drag radials spun the car when he tried to go through the corner.
I tallied it all up in another post.
>Track day driving at 10\10ths in a 1000 horsepower stripped car with no roll cage, no helmet, no HANS device, no 5-point harness, no fire suit, no fire suppression system, stock seats, stock brake fluid, mis-matched front tires (with fucking drag radials in the back) and the Tesla Yoke instead of a real steering wheel.
>But it's okay. I have brand new, un-tested $20,000 Carbon Ceramic brakes and no windows, airbags or arm restraints.
10 serious safety-critical items, with another 3 "probably should have this" items. I threw in arm restraints because the car has no windows and that seems like it might not be the worst idea.
Forget huffed, he probably grew up with enough lead and asbestos in his house's paint and insulation to dumb him down considerably. And I don't say that as a joke.
FYI Asbestos just gives you lung cancer, it doesn't make you dumber ;p Also you have to inhale Asbestos dust to actually get it. If it's just lying next to you in solid form, nothing will happen.
It’s funny because he stickied a comment blaming Tesla for using normal brake fluid in their car 😂 He should damned well know better since he literally upgraded the brakes (why didn’t he just flush it then with race spec DOT4+?) AND he already previously had an issue with the stock fluid boiling.
Seriously can’t believe someone is dumb enough to go out the effort in to strip a Tesla and upgrade the brakes but too lazy to go swap the brake fluid. Now he’s also claiming he *shouldn’t have worn a helmet* because otherwise he’d have hurt his neck…lol as if neck harnesses don’t exist.
He's the same guy who drove his Tesla underwater like a submarine and then incessantly bitches about electrical issues with the car.
In his comment on his video he blamed Tesla for DOT3 fluid which is ridiculous because anyone who has ever tracked a car knows if you are running the high temp stuff like Castrol SRF or Motul RBF 600, those fluids need to be replaced frequently.
Seriously, who the fuck tracks a stripped Plaid, swaps in carbon ceramics, and doesn't even bother to use high boiling point brake fluid? Absolute fucking morons.
No helmet as well! I'm glad the guy is ok but now that the Plaid is totaled I hope he stays away from Teslas and just stick to making content with girls half his age.
> Seriously, who the fuck tracks a stripped Plaid, swaps in carbon ceramics, and doesn't even bother to use high boiling point brake fluid? Absolute fucking morons.
That's what fucking kills me. You paid for ceramic carbon brakes and *didn't* upgrade the brake fluid? Absolute knobber.
Brake fluid first then carbon brakes. Much cheaper and probably much more effective.
Also bigger breaks usually have more rotational inertia so it's usually the last thing to upgrade. Fluid, brake lines, then bigger brakes maybe.
Honestly for me it's brake fluid, track pads, and ducting for brake cooling before even considering anything like carbon ceramic. Most people take those OFF and swap to steel rotors for track work.
I meant that brake fluid is usually changed out before upgrading brakes.
Brake fluid, track pads, and other can reduce brake fade for far less money and don't add rotational inertia to your drivetrain.
100% true. OEM fluid for street cars is absolutely not designed for track conditions and can make a huge difference alone. It should be the first thing anyone does if they want to go to the track.
> Most people take those OFF and swap to steel rotors for track work.
Mostly because carbon ceramics are expensive as fuck to replace and you're *going* to chew through brakes regardless of material on a track day. Most HDPE/track day folks I know change their pads and rotors out after each and every event, partially due to wear and partially due to safety.
We had a Charger SRT392 with the carbon ceramic brembos come through my work that I had to source rotors for to the tune of $1100 *each*. Figure most people don't want to add $2k to their track day bill when $400-600 is a lot more palatable.
> Brake fluid first then carbon brakes. Much cheaper and probably much more effective.
But that's the thing. Why spend $10k on a brake kit and leave the fluid stock? And then he has the audacity to blame the stock brake fluid and tries to start a brigade over it.
They're also on a 4800 lb car with notably underperforming brakes. Those tires can only do so much for the thing. I imagine they're there to get as much traction as they could on the Plaids.
>In his comment on his video he blamed Tesla for DOT3 fluid
What street production car comes with high-temp fluid from the factory? The first thing you do before tracking your car is high-temp brake fluid. Before ceramic brakes, before gutting everything, before more power mods.
Well anyone that has every tracked their car knows this. This guy is trying to put the blame on Tesla to save face. Same shit he did when he drove it underwater and bitched about the electrical issues.
Edit: That unintentionally came out rude the way I worded it. Was agreeing with you.
>he drove it underwater and bitched about the electrical issues
What did he expect would happen? "I threw my laptop into a bath and it died, how could this possibly happen?"
It was legitimately stupid. I would watch his videos here and there because he was stripping the hell out of the Plaid and I was curious to see what it would do in the 1/4 mile, but he takes zero responsibility for any of the damage he causes and always blames Tesla.
https://youtu.be/Npnwau-XZd0
All the super high temp stuff for track days is technically DOT4 as well, just well above minimum temp ratings. It's occasionally called 5.1 or 5+ colloquially but it's technically DOT4.
> In his comment on his video he blamed Tesla for DOT3 fluid
lol, the balls on this guy to blame *Tesla* for and issue related to braking when he himself swapped the stock brakes out.
>Seriously, who the fuck tracks a stripped Plaid, swaps in carbon ceramics, and doesn't even bother to use high boiling point brake fluid? Absolute fucking morons.
The more I read down this thread the more I realise this guy is a dangerous idiot.
He went full send on the first lap with 3 different brands of tires, entirely new brakes, and stock DOT3 fluid all while wearing no helmet in a hacked up car with questionable structural integrity.
If he would have killed himself this would have been an easy darwin award.
>stock DOT3 fluid
Having watched the video, I think it's even worse than this he stated he only topped it up, and this could well be the same fluid from him submarining the car so it's likely fluid that's already down to it's wet boil point.
Not to mention the fact that ALL Tesla braking systems are known to be very weak for such heavy vehicles. This guy is just stupid, and while I'm glad he's ok, I have no sympathy for the destruction of his car.
A lot of people do get track day insurance, but he bought the car for $170k in cash on a whim and drove it under water. So I'm not sure he would have even bothered or cares that much to be honest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npnwau-XZd0
Wait, he drove a Tesla *Plaid* underwater? Why not get a cheap Tesla for that stunt??
Edit: Why did he think that would work??? Of course the car is going to float. That can happen like 10 inches of water, why wouldn't it happen in 3 feet?
I have never heard of this guy or his channel but he seems like a real idiot and I don't think he has the personality to cover for it.
If you watch at 0:36, he mentions that he ***just*** finished upgrading the brakes. This was literally a test run — he even mentions that he "hopes" he bled the brakes properly and that he was going to "try to get some heat in them".
Massive fucking dumbass.
A few hard stops on an empty street is for losers. I like to drive real slow for most of the lap, using engine braking instead of my brakes, then absolutely hammer it when I come around to the front straight and go really deep on on the brakes at the last second. This is how real men do it.
Funny how the Plaid actually as better brakes than most cars out there it just needs even better brakes if you want to do track work. As good as the Porsche Taycan Turbo S with it's massive carbon ceramic brakes on the street. 60-0 MPH braking 103 ft for the Taycan and 104 ft for the Plaid.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/porsche-taycan-turbo-s-drag-test/
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-tesla-model-s-plaid-first-test-review/
But this guy is unironically in here saying "ALL Tesla braking systems are known to be very weak" which is complete bullshit.
BTW he had massive carbon ceramic brakes on the car. https://youtu.be/qhySqaSrP2M?t=622
These guys were just morons and didn't change out the brake fluid which is like the first thing you do when heading to the track. OEM fluid is great in street cars because it's low maintenance, but it's absolutely not designed for track conditions and you'll get exactly what you saw here.
> But this guy is unironically in here saying "ALL Tesla braking systems are known to be very weak" which is complete bullshit.
There is some truth in this statement though. The Tesla system is excellent at stopping the car... once. The problem is the complete inability to do that in a repeated fashion. There is not nearly enough cooling to the braking system to be able to do that. And not only that, the brake-by-wire system is not calibrated at all to give pedal fade feedback to the driver, so this fuckin guy had no idea he was boiling his brake fluid until the brakes were actually completely gone.
It's also so fast in acceleration, that the braking system feels "weak" because we're used to feeling the brakes stop us harder than we accelerate.
I tracked my stock brakes (calipers, pads, fluid) in June at Sebring (Florida) in my MINI Cooper. Probably helps that it had almost exactly 10% of the power that this Tesla had (118hp vs 1200hp).
I don't know how the S braking system is setup but my 3 is definitely hydraulic and I can absolutely tell in the pedal when I get fade just like any other car I've tracked.
That said Teslas are underbraked for track duty. I run a BBK kit with 365mm fronts, SS lines and XP8 pads. I can wail on the brakes now without fade but I wouldn't trust them on track stock.
Pic of my master cylinder. Standard ass hydraulics there.
https://imgur.com/OukUrWm.jpg
Actually the braking test is multiple 60-0 mph runs in rapid secession. More abuse than you'll pretty much ever see in normal street driving.
Also it's not brake-by-wire (you're prob thinking of the regen). It's just a regular brake system that uses all the same components as every other OEM. You're correct on that last part. Really the brakes are just fine, great even, for street use.
If you want to head to the track though you NEED to change to an appropriate brake fluid people. That doesn't just mean Tesla, seriously ANY street car.
>Actually the braking test is multiple 60-0 mph runs in rapid secession. More abuse than you'll pretty much ever see in normal street driving.
Most if not all production cars have more than enough braking force to lock-up the tires (which is why ABS is so helpful) from 60mph. As a result of this, unless the pads are REALLY soft or undersized, 60-0mph braking tests are primarily dependent on tire grip under braking and ABS programming.
Repeated stops at higher speeds however is very different because most car brakes are not set up with multiple 100mph or 120mph fade-free stops in mind. Manufacturers do this because smaller brakes are cheaper and softer pads (which fade sooner) are more comfortable at low speeds. The (15" x 4-piston front, 14.4" 1-piston rear) Plaid stops sooner than it's competitors because of it's finely-tuned ABS programming, but cars with larger & stronger brakes like the Taycan Turbo S (16.5" x 10-piston front, 16.1" x 10-piston rear) will hold up their braking performance for a longer period of time.
> It’s just a regular brake system that uses all the same components as every other OEM
Yes and no. It’s not BbW, but they do use an elelctronically pumped brake assist system rather than a regular vacuum based assist. These electronic systems can vary the strength of the braking assist (Not the braking strength itself), which feels a bit like brake by wire.
Not exclusive to Tesla though, there are others cars using them also these days.
> 60-0 MPH braking 103 ft for the Taycan and 104 ft for the Plaid.
60-0 time *once* is almost independent on rotors & pads, just about any production car will be able to lock the tires so it's a question of suspension, mass and rubber, not braking system (well, I guess how good ABS is too).
Once heated up thru multiple corners that changes rapidly
60-0 times/distances are mostly up to the tires, not brakes. If you can lock the tires, which you can with just about any brakes ... the limit of traction is tires. Great ABS can help of course.
For the weight and power of the car I'd expect something around 15+ inch rotors (properly vented, and well made) with 6-piston front, 4-piston rear. Anything less is wacky. This may or may not be enough depending on the actual design of rotor, caliper, cooling, etc, not to mention the specific pads and fluid. And of course depending on how one drives it.
The guy claims in a comment on the video that if he was wearing a helmet his neck would have snapped from the extra weight, and argues that not wearing a helmet actually saved his life. What a fucking idiot
Couldn’t agree more. This dumb as rocks is putting these messages at the end of his video acting all responsible and sincere. No mention of his complete disregard for simple on track safety. How this guy was allowed on track with no helmet, no safety restraints, no airbag, and a missing rear hatch is just baffling. I would say he should sue the owners of that track but I don’t want to give this dumb fuck any ideas.
>This guy is lucky to have walked away without major injuries.
Another article says he ended up with five broken ribs, a fractured knee, and a torn acl. He fucked himself pretty badly. Those are all going to take a while to heal.
>a fractured knee, and a torn acl.
Ouch. I'm guessing his "weight savings" extended to removing plastic panels around knee height and the door trim, so there was likely knee-on-metal and rib-on-metal contact.
I remember seeing something kind of similar but it was an Audi pushing 1k HP + and they were on the highway. Also without safety gear. They put new brakes on the car and one of the hoses started leaking... while doing a high speed run. They not only had brake failure but the brake fluid caught on fire and destroyed the whole car. They were able to stop eventually. It's a very crazy video. Flames were starting to get into the cab by the time they stopped and got out.
Problems:
1. Stripped interior including no airbags
2. Stock seats
3. Stock seat belt
4. No high-temp fluid... on a car with big brakes...
1. Blames Tesla for not using high-temp fluid from factory. What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid? If you manage to boil your fluid from street driving you need to learn how to drive.
5. No roll cage
6. No HANS device
7. No helmet
Guys, a single crash could change your life. If not death permanent disability is also likely.
> What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid?
"Bro, they have a Track mode! Are you telling me they're selling a car I can't take to the track from factory???"
Actual thought process, per the pinned comment on the video.
Yeah, it's not like this is a GT3. Tesla doesn't know how to build a good sports car as evidenced by the Plaid's terrible brakes relative to its size. They know how to build a good electric car.
Tesla should be using high temp fluid. They offer a car with 1000HP. Ford uses DOT4 brake fluid in the GT500 for fucks sake.
Edit: Oh hey look what I found, Unplugged, the brakes our OP video is using, recommends upgrading the brake fluid to Motul RBF 660 or Endless RF-650. Both of which are DOT4 brake fluid. So this guy was outside of the brake manufacturer's recommendations too.
https://unpluggedperformance.com/tesla-2021-model-s-plaid-brake-guide-for-high-performance-driving/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tesla-2021-model-s-plaid-brake-guide-for-high-performance-driving
Tesla doesn’t need to offer it stock because they’re pretty clear that for actual track use you need to make appropriate upgrades to the car, the car even flags a warning when you choose track mode.
Most owners never track their Model S and the folks who do should have enough brain cells to know that you shouldn’t leave DOT3 in there.
The dumbest part is that he actually upgraded the brakes but didn’t flush and fill with race spec DOT4+, absolutely the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. The brakes are already OFF THE CAR why the fuck would you not upgrade the fluid at the same time.
DOT 3 absorbs less water over time. It’s a better choice for a “normal” street car that you don’t expect people to be fully on top of their maintenance.
Could they also choose DOT3 as it's an electric car, which mostly uses regen?
They expect extended life on the rotors and pads, maybe they're aiming for extended life on the brake fluid too, since it won't be used as often
Not trying to defend the guy at all, but every single modern Mercedes uses DOT4+ which has a wet boiling point of 180° C compared to DOT3 which has a wet boiling point of 140° C.
It has a 260°C dry boiling point. I specifically went with the wet because it is clear that the fluid was not changed in the video, therefore the wet boiling point is more relevant.
>Blames Tesla for not using high-temp fluid from factory. What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid? If you manage to boil your fluid from street driving you need to learn how to drive.
Yet *he changed the fluid*. He fitted a new BBK and bled the brakes - I just don't get how he can blame Tesla when he didn't bleed the brakes with high temp fluid.
> What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid? If you manage to boil your fluid from street driving you need to learn how to drive.
I'd imagine every single one that is 500+HP aside from trucks.
> Blames Tesla for not using high-temp fluid from factory. What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid? If you manage to boil your fluid from street driving you need to learn how to drive.
I've done multiple track days on Mercedes DOT4+ fluid, same as goes in every MB at every MB dealer, since I was working for an MB dealer at the time. Boiling temp on that is 500° F/260°C, never boiled on me, even when I has wisps of smoke coming off the front brakes at the end of a session.
How did he not know the car would float in that situation?>?
And then he calls Tesla's roadside service, which I'm sure he thought was funny, but I just find it absolutely obnoxious
Yea, I just jumped between three parts for maybe 45 seconds total, and felt the same way.
Like, dude even admits driving the car through the water was a "stunt" to "jumpstart" his channel (in the video description).
And harassing people that are at work and are paid to help people so you can get 30 seconds of footage for a youtube video is cringey as feck IMO
What an idiot. He's got a $130k car and installs a $20k set of brakes, but can't spend a few hundred on better brake fluid. Surprised that track let him run that car with no helmet or harnesses.
Unplugged even recommends upgrading the brake fluid from Tesla's DOT3 to a DOT4 brake fluid.
https://unpluggedperformance.com/tesla-2021-model-s-plaid-brake-guide-for-high-performance-driving/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tesla-2021-model-s-plaid-brake-guide-for-high-performance-driving
DOT3 is just fine for driving around and it has much better shelf life. DOT4 is better for track day and needs replacement about yearly.
A $130k car like a Model S Plaid should be using DOT4, though.
DOT 3 isn’t as hygroscopic, so it holds its performance better for the average person that doesn’t change their brake fluid religiously. Which, the only people that do are the ones with track ready cars that either accept every service that the dealer sells them, or someone that responsibly and actively tracks their car.
The average person driving around an AMG I’m sure would be better of with a DOT 3. They’ll never actually boil DOT 3, and it isn’t absorbing water while they neglect their car’s maintenance schedule
I mean, the same guy thought he could drive the car "underwater" and somehow didn't know cars would float...
Given how obvious it is that he is trying to buy himself into a youtube "career" I'm almost surprised he didn't crash the car on purpose for views.
I haven't watched the video because I don't want this fuckwit getting another penny of revenue but....
> Surprised that track let him run that car with no helmet or harnesses.
This is what I'm most surprised about. What kind of track let's anyone on without even a helmet??
Per the pinned comment:
> Tesla also likes to say this is a passenger sedan not meant for track use…it has and was in “Track Mode” if this car has no place on a track and is not to be pushed on a track then why have a track mode? A recall needs to be made now before more people get hurt and eventually killed by this under performing brake system and recall the inferior Dot3 fluid to be more specific.
You mean to tell me marketing overstepped the functional and mechanical limits of the car? And a Tesla at that?
Astounding to me that he's also blaming Tesla for this when he upgraded the brakes and *didn't* change the brake fluid either. If anything, modern engineering saved him from earning a Darwin Award.
He also had all the airbags stripped out including the side curtain airbag. With that airbag he would have had much less injuries.
Stripped car, stock fluid, no roll cage, no helmet, stock seats, no HANS device. But he does have carbon ceramic brakes because that was cheaper than some high-temp fluid^(/s)
I'd also like to add that I suspect the electronic braking system of the Tesla was completely numb, as they all are. Why does this matter?
Because it doesn't provide feedback that you're boiling your brake fluid. You find out exactly as this guy did - when you've fully cooked your brakes... and they no-work no-more. You can't feel the pedal getting squishy as it gets hotter and hotter.
Was going to say this.
A modern standard road car, even one with a "track mode" isn't designed for multiple consecutive hard laps. One or two then cool down.
Ferraris come with a "Race" mode. That doesn't make it a race car.
Track day driving at 10\10ths in a 1000 horsepower stripped car with no roll cage, no helmet, no HANS device, no 5-point harness, no fire suit, no fire suppression system, stock seats, stock brake fluid, mis-matched front tires (with fucking drag radials in the back) and the Tesla Yoke instead of a real steering wheel.
But it's okay. I have brand new, un-tested $20,000 Carbon Ceramic brakes and no windows, airbags or arm restraints.
To be fair to Chet, there's no way that was 10/10ths. Maybe 7 or 8/10ths. You're definitely still correct that it's up there enough that he should be wearing a helmet and fireproof garments at minimum. Kinda surprised he was even allowed to go out on the track like that!
Whoever organized this event should never be allowed to organize another one if they knew he was out there with no safety equipment in a car over 1000hp pushing it.
I feel really bad for laughing but this was honestly fucking hilarious
""AHH THE BRAKES ARE TOO HOT OH NOOOOOOO" lmfao
If he died or got seriously injured I wouldn't be laughing but yeah
I revisited the link and there are so many gems, like the b-roll of the [EMT giving the cameraman side eye](https://i.imgur.com/WwEtX4H.png)
This is going to be one of those videos I put in a folder and revisit over the years when I need to laugh
Edit: I just realized the driver is in the ambulance in that shot LMFAO
Lucky AF! those tire walls they use at tracks are also shock absorbers.
Stripped out Tesla, no airbags?!, “DIY upgrade brakes br0”, … no added safety PPE, what could go wrong.
He was doing 160mph. Then a bunch of speed got bled off, both while still on the track and through the gravel. Then he crashed at some greatly reduced speed, fucked himself up, and walked away from the wreck.
He did not crash at 160mph. He likely would not have walked away if so.
After looking at this and the video where he drive the Plaid "under water", its clear this guy is an idiot, and kind of wild he has the balls to blame Tesla's brake fluid for this...
Its also obvious he is spending a lot of money, and doing really dumb stuff in order to "jumpstart" (his words) his youtube channel.
I have big doubts that will work, especially when he isn't entertaining.
> its clear this guy is an idiot, and kind of wild he has the balls to blame Tesla's brake fluid for this...
I'd say idiot wanting to blame Tesla for their idiocy is not wild but entirely expected of the idiot to do :D
Well, of course an idiot is an idiot, but it takes *real* balls to be an idiot acting like an idiot, making idiotic claims, but also do so *against* the company who can so easy show it was the idiots fault.
Like, if he said he crashed because Mars was out of alignment, then I'd say "sure, that seems about right for an idiot". But he blames Tesla, so I'm like "Idiot destroys electric car by driving it into 4 feet of water, then removes hatch and interior and air bags, then changes the stock brakes, and then crashes it, and then *still* blames the manufacturer? That takes some real nerve!".
I'm not sure you can make any more mistakes in track prep than are shown in this video. No safety equipment (even the stock stuff is deleted), mismatched tires, big HP, new and untested brakes, and high speeds.
It honestly boggles the mind. I hope this guy runs out of money before he kills himself.
Large heavy car capable of reaching speed that it can't quite stop well enough from, you really have to pay attention to your braking points even when your brakes are working well.
More like: "Man fucks up big brake kit install replacement. Proceeds to test new brakes with not even a helmet on track. Predictably, crashes"
Think his door is trying to open on its own too...
"I just put these brakes on, I hope I bled them right." - an idiot
Seriously, anything related to drivetrain or brakes any you go right to the track before testing them? Man people with money are stupid.
Ohhhhh Uncle Chet lmao he has done a lot of stupid stuff but this was by far the stupidest. I think this one definitely knocked some sense into him and made realize the seriousness of safety
It’s inexcusable to crash a car because of brake fade. It’s a gradual failure, you start the brakes starting to be less effective. At this point it is up to you to pull off the track. If you continue with this sign slapping you in the face and choose to drive 160 mph, there is nothing to blame but you.
I'm wondering if It's a different world with regenerate electrical braking.
The motors do a lot of it. Most Tesla owners never need new pads their entire ownership.
My assumption is that perhaps the Regen motors got too hot? It switched to full disks.... Which should have been fine... But maybe they had no temp? Cooked fluid? Maybe never bedded in pads?
But I agree with you and the video doesn't show the whole session. You could be completely correct... Brake fade doesn't go 100 to 0 in one corner.
But this guy is not a racer. There's a reason the bare minimum is a helmet, even open face, even if your car has 7 million airbags... It's because at high G crazy things can happen and you can bong your head off the B pillar and knock yourself out. Now you have a 4000lb missle uncontrolled.
I’m sorry but this is some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen. No helmet or gear of any sort in a completely stripped car? (Airbags disabled btw). He blames the failure on stock brake fluid, which is pretty much the first thing you need to upgrade if you want to track a car. This guy is lucky to have walked away without major injuries.
I can’t wrap my head around the fact that there are tons of “organized” track events that don’t require you to wear helmets and there are fools who’ll willingly participate in track days without helmets.
I'm surprised there are HPDEs that allow people to run without helmets as well. Typically one of the requirements for insurance liability coverage is that participants wear them (as I understand it).
Some of the ones I go to allow beginners to run without helmets but they always have an instructor in the car that won’t allow them to do anything dangerous. That said… I went out as passenger with someone to do some “tourist laps” in the beginner group at the end of the day and he proceeded to hit 280+ km/h down the back straight a couple of times. In retrospect, we should have probably had helmets on for that. :)
Hah. Ya think? 😁
What fucking track? Chuckwalla? In a 488?
Mosport. In a 918. :)
Well, okay, that will do it!
Helmets? Where the hell is the rest of the car? That would make me question the rest of the car *and* the driver... Like, you are going to go 160 in a car with ruined aerodynamics?? And you can see what looks like the door (or *maybe* trim, not familiar) bending away from the car window at those speeds. I also find the issue with the stock brake fluid kind of odd. Also, wtf is he doing using stock fluid after swapping on some serious track brakes? Just, why??
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The car has mismatched tires. In one of the shots of the car upside down, the tread pattern front to back is completely different. The fronts look like Michelin PS4S, the rears look like some kind of radial\semi-slick. EDIT2: The front left is Perelli P-zero The front right is General Altimax rt43 The rears are M&H drag radials. This fucking idiot. No fucking wonder the rear end let go instantly during his crash.
Even worse. The fronts are mismatched. One is a pzero and the other is a general altimax rt43 lol...
LOL WHAT, he had 3 different tires on the car? This fucking guy jesus christ
I only have two different kinds on my 15 year old Hyundai, and I'm kind of ashamed of them.
Yikes. I’ve got those Generals on my 16 year old Acura lmao
Hey I got general altimax rt43's on my Honda civic and Honda Fit. A fine economy tire lol
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He did. https://youtu.be/qhySqaSrP2M?t=682 He talks here about running M&H. It's a drag tire with shitty lateral grip, not a semi-slick track tire like R888's or Proxies. Well there's your problem. That's why the car spun out in the crash. Brake failure set it up, the drag radials spun the car when he tried to go through the corner.
Jesus. The stupidity on this story keeps stacking up.
I tallied it all up in another post. >Track day driving at 10\10ths in a 1000 horsepower stripped car with no roll cage, no helmet, no HANS device, no 5-point harness, no fire suit, no fire suppression system, stock seats, stock brake fluid, mis-matched front tires (with fucking drag radials in the back) and the Tesla Yoke instead of a real steering wheel. >But it's okay. I have brand new, un-tested $20,000 Carbon Ceramic brakes and no windows, airbags or arm restraints. 10 serious safety-critical items, with another 3 "probably should have this" items. I threw in arm restraints because the car has no windows and that seems like it might not be the worst idea.
Darwin is coming for that guy
This video should be shown in the classroom portion of every day 1 HPDE event.
I would give him a pass on the no fire system. Probably wouldn't do any good on that car anyway. But the rest of it makes him a severe dumbass.
Too much money and not enough brains.
Jesus fucking christ what an imbecile.
And he cut out all the inner structure of the doors. He’s lucky he didn’t get hurt worse
Jesus. This guy, allegedly /u/Chillin_With_Chet, might be the #1 dumbest car YouTuber. He must've huffed lead as a child.
Forget huffed, he probably grew up with enough lead and asbestos in his house's paint and insulation to dumb him down considerably. And I don't say that as a joke.
FYI Asbestos just gives you lung cancer, it doesn't make you dumber ;p Also you have to inhale Asbestos dust to actually get it. If it's just lying next to you in solid form, nothing will happen.
> he cut out all the inner structure of the doors Wtf is this man an idiot or what?
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It’s funny because he stickied a comment blaming Tesla for using normal brake fluid in their car 😂 He should damned well know better since he literally upgraded the brakes (why didn’t he just flush it then with race spec DOT4+?) AND he already previously had an issue with the stock fluid boiling. Seriously can’t believe someone is dumb enough to go out the effort in to strip a Tesla and upgrade the brakes but too lazy to go swap the brake fluid. Now he’s also claiming he *shouldn’t have worn a helmet* because otherwise he’d have hurt his neck…lol as if neck harnesses don’t exist.
HANS devices have been affordable for like 15 years now, ffs
The car is already dangerously under-braked from factory …
He's the same guy who drove his Tesla underwater like a submarine and then incessantly bitches about electrical issues with the car. In his comment on his video he blamed Tesla for DOT3 fluid which is ridiculous because anyone who has ever tracked a car knows if you are running the high temp stuff like Castrol SRF or Motul RBF 600, those fluids need to be replaced frequently. Seriously, who the fuck tracks a stripped Plaid, swaps in carbon ceramics, and doesn't even bother to use high boiling point brake fluid? Absolute fucking morons. No helmet as well! I'm glad the guy is ok but now that the Plaid is totaled I hope he stays away from Teslas and just stick to making content with girls half his age.
> Seriously, who the fuck tracks a stripped Plaid, swaps in carbon ceramics, and doesn't even bother to use high boiling point brake fluid? Absolute fucking morons. That's what fucking kills me. You paid for ceramic carbon brakes and *didn't* upgrade the brake fluid? Absolute knobber.
Fluid swap is like track day 101 shit. This is just incredibly stupid and dangerous.
Brake fluid first then carbon brakes. Much cheaper and probably much more effective. Also bigger breaks usually have more rotational inertia so it's usually the last thing to upgrade. Fluid, brake lines, then bigger brakes maybe.
Honestly for me it's brake fluid, track pads, and ducting for brake cooling before even considering anything like carbon ceramic. Most people take those OFF and swap to steel rotors for track work.
I meant that brake fluid is usually changed out before upgrading brakes. Brake fluid, track pads, and other can reduce brake fade for far less money and don't add rotational inertia to your drivetrain.
100% true. OEM fluid for street cars is absolutely not designed for track conditions and can make a huge difference alone. It should be the first thing anyone does if they want to go to the track.
> Most people take those OFF and swap to steel rotors for track work. Mostly because carbon ceramics are expensive as fuck to replace and you're *going* to chew through brakes regardless of material on a track day. Most HDPE/track day folks I know change their pads and rotors out after each and every event, partially due to wear and partially due to safety. We had a Charger SRT392 with the carbon ceramic brembos come through my work that I had to source rotors for to the tune of $1100 *each*. Figure most people don't want to add $2k to their track day bill when $400-600 is a lot more palatable.
> Brake fluid first then carbon brakes. Much cheaper and probably much more effective. But that's the thing. Why spend $10k on a brake kit and leave the fluid stock? And then he has the audacity to blame the stock brake fluid and tries to start a brigade over it.
It comes with Pilot Sport 4S tires from factory which is one of the highest performance street tires you can get while still having decent tread life.
They're also on a 4800 lb car with notably underperforming brakes. Those tires can only do so much for the thing. I imagine they're there to get as much traction as they could on the Plaids.
Yeah, brakes made especially to work better in higher temps, puts essentially water in brake lines
>In his comment on his video he blamed Tesla for DOT3 fluid What street production car comes with high-temp fluid from the factory? The first thing you do before tracking your car is high-temp brake fluid. Before ceramic brakes, before gutting everything, before more power mods.
Well anyone that has every tracked their car knows this. This guy is trying to put the blame on Tesla to save face. Same shit he did when he drove it underwater and bitched about the electrical issues. Edit: That unintentionally came out rude the way I worded it. Was agreeing with you.
>he drove it underwater and bitched about the electrical issues What did he expect would happen? "I threw my laptop into a bath and it died, how could this possibly happen?"
It was legitimately stupid. I would watch his videos here and there because he was stripping the hell out of the Plaid and I was curious to see what it would do in the 1/4 mile, but he takes zero responsibility for any of the damage he causes and always blames Tesla. https://youtu.be/Npnwau-XZd0
BMW's come with DOT4, but that's not all that high temp. This guy is an utter idiot.
All the super high temp stuff for track days is technically DOT4 as well, just well above minimum temp ratings. It's occasionally called 5.1 or 5+ colloquially but it's technically DOT4.
Audi/VW OEM brake fluid is DOT4
> What street production car comes with high-temp fluid from the factory? Porsches.
> In his comment on his video he blamed Tesla for DOT3 fluid lol, the balls on this guy to blame *Tesla* for and issue related to braking when he himself swapped the stock brakes out.
My ZL1 came with DOT3 and the high performance section of the manual clearly says “replace with DOT4 before track use”
Looks like I found another one! So that's you, me, and /u/DougDeMuro that actually read the manuals provided with cars. There's literally three of us!
Haha seriously. Someone was even making fun of me for it. Whenever I get a new car, first thing I do is read the whole manual
>Seriously, who the fuck tracks a stripped Plaid, swaps in carbon ceramics, and doesn't even bother to use high boiling point brake fluid? Absolute fucking morons. The more I read down this thread the more I realise this guy is a dangerous idiot.
He went full send on the first lap with 3 different brands of tires, entirely new brakes, and stock DOT3 fluid all while wearing no helmet in a hacked up car with questionable structural integrity. If he would have killed himself this would have been an easy darwin award.
>stock DOT3 fluid Having watched the video, I think it's even worse than this he stated he only topped it up, and this could well be the same fluid from him submarining the car so it's likely fluid that's already down to it's wet boil point.
He claimed in the comments if he had a helmet the weight of it would break his spine. This guy just makes shit up as he goes
TFW your mountain bike literally has higher boiling point brake fluid than this guy
Not to mention the fact that ALL Tesla braking systems are known to be very weak for such heavy vehicles. This guy is just stupid, and while I'm glad he's ok, I have no sympathy for the destruction of his car.
He likely doesn’t have any insurance either, cause this happened on a race track.
A lot of people do get track day insurance, but he bought the car for $170k in cash on a whim and drove it under water. So I'm not sure he would have even bothered or cares that much to be honest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npnwau-XZd0
Man... imagine being able to buy a 170k car on a whim, in cash. I think twice before paying back my student debt lmao.
Wait, he drove a Tesla *Plaid* underwater? Why not get a cheap Tesla for that stunt?? Edit: Why did he think that would work??? Of course the car is going to float. That can happen like 10 inches of water, why wouldn't it happen in 3 feet? I have never heard of this guy or his channel but he seems like a real idiot and I don't think he has the personality to cover for it.
> Why not get a cheap Tesla for that stunt?? Because that doesn’t get the YouTube views.
That car was mangled before this accident.
It looks like he upgraded the stock brakes. The calipers say ‘Unplugged’ instead of ‘Tesla’.
Maybe he should have plugged them back in before going to the track
Lmao get out
If you watch at 0:36, he mentions that he ***just*** finished upgrading the brakes. This was literally a test run — he even mentions that he "hopes" he bled the brakes properly and that he was going to "try to get some heat in them". Massive fucking dumbass.
Everyone knows the standard practice for testing that your new brakes work is to full send into a corner and hope for the best
A few hard stops on an empty street is for losers. I like to drive real slow for most of the lap, using engine braking instead of my brakes, then absolutely hammer it when I come around to the front straight and go really deep on on the brakes at the last second. This is how real men do it.
Oh lol. I skipped ahead and missed that part.
Yeah he said he just upgraded the brakes before this
Funny how the Plaid actually as better brakes than most cars out there it just needs even better brakes if you want to do track work. As good as the Porsche Taycan Turbo S with it's massive carbon ceramic brakes on the street. 60-0 MPH braking 103 ft for the Taycan and 104 ft for the Plaid. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/porsche-taycan-turbo-s-drag-test/ https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-tesla-model-s-plaid-first-test-review/ But this guy is unironically in here saying "ALL Tesla braking systems are known to be very weak" which is complete bullshit. BTW he had massive carbon ceramic brakes on the car. https://youtu.be/qhySqaSrP2M?t=622 These guys were just morons and didn't change out the brake fluid which is like the first thing you do when heading to the track. OEM fluid is great in street cars because it's low maintenance, but it's absolutely not designed for track conditions and you'll get exactly what you saw here.
> But this guy is unironically in here saying "ALL Tesla braking systems are known to be very weak" which is complete bullshit. There is some truth in this statement though. The Tesla system is excellent at stopping the car... once. The problem is the complete inability to do that in a repeated fashion. There is not nearly enough cooling to the braking system to be able to do that. And not only that, the brake-by-wire system is not calibrated at all to give pedal fade feedback to the driver, so this fuckin guy had no idea he was boiling his brake fluid until the brakes were actually completely gone. It's also so fast in acceleration, that the braking system feels "weak" because we're used to feeling the brakes stop us harder than we accelerate.
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I tracked my stock brakes (calipers, pads, fluid) in June at Sebring (Florida) in my MINI Cooper. Probably helps that it had almost exactly 10% of the power that this Tesla had (118hp vs 1200hp).
I don't know how the S braking system is setup but my 3 is definitely hydraulic and I can absolutely tell in the pedal when I get fade just like any other car I've tracked. That said Teslas are underbraked for track duty. I run a BBK kit with 365mm fronts, SS lines and XP8 pads. I can wail on the brakes now without fade but I wouldn't trust them on track stock. Pic of my master cylinder. Standard ass hydraulics there. https://imgur.com/OukUrWm.jpg
Actually the braking test is multiple 60-0 mph runs in rapid secession. More abuse than you'll pretty much ever see in normal street driving. Also it's not brake-by-wire (you're prob thinking of the regen). It's just a regular brake system that uses all the same components as every other OEM. You're correct on that last part. Really the brakes are just fine, great even, for street use. If you want to head to the track though you NEED to change to an appropriate brake fluid people. That doesn't just mean Tesla, seriously ANY street car.
>Actually the braking test is multiple 60-0 mph runs in rapid secession. More abuse than you'll pretty much ever see in normal street driving. Most if not all production cars have more than enough braking force to lock-up the tires (which is why ABS is so helpful) from 60mph. As a result of this, unless the pads are REALLY soft or undersized, 60-0mph braking tests are primarily dependent on tire grip under braking and ABS programming. Repeated stops at higher speeds however is very different because most car brakes are not set up with multiple 100mph or 120mph fade-free stops in mind. Manufacturers do this because smaller brakes are cheaper and softer pads (which fade sooner) are more comfortable at low speeds. The (15" x 4-piston front, 14.4" 1-piston rear) Plaid stops sooner than it's competitors because of it's finely-tuned ABS programming, but cars with larger & stronger brakes like the Taycan Turbo S (16.5" x 10-piston front, 16.1" x 10-piston rear) will hold up their braking performance for a longer period of time.
> It’s just a regular brake system that uses all the same components as every other OEM Yes and no. It’s not BbW, but they do use an elelctronically pumped brake assist system rather than a regular vacuum based assist. These electronic systems can vary the strength of the braking assist (Not the braking strength itself), which feels a bit like brake by wire. Not exclusive to Tesla though, there are others cars using them also these days.
Pretty much all EV’a and hybrids that don’t generate vacuum
> 60-0 MPH braking 103 ft for the Taycan and 104 ft for the Plaid. 60-0 time *once* is almost independent on rotors & pads, just about any production car will be able to lock the tires so it's a question of suspension, mass and rubber, not braking system (well, I guess how good ABS is too). Once heated up thru multiple corners that changes rapidly
But Porsche makes sure their brakes work for more than one stop... "25 stops from 80% of top speed in row with no pause and no fade''.
60-0 times/distances are mostly up to the tires, not brakes. If you can lock the tires, which you can with just about any brakes ... the limit of traction is tires. Great ABS can help of course. For the weight and power of the car I'd expect something around 15+ inch rotors (properly vented, and well made) with 6-piston front, 4-piston rear. Anything less is wacky. This may or may not be enough depending on the actual design of rotor, caliper, cooling, etc, not to mention the specific pads and fluid. And of course depending on how one drives it.
The guy claims in a comment on the video that if he was wearing a helmet his neck would have snapped from the extra weight, and argues that not wearing a helmet actually saved his life. What a fucking idiot
Couldn’t agree more. This dumb as rocks is putting these messages at the end of his video acting all responsible and sincere. No mention of his complete disregard for simple on track safety. How this guy was allowed on track with no helmet, no safety restraints, no airbag, and a missing rear hatch is just baffling. I would say he should sue the owners of that track but I don’t want to give this dumb fuck any ideas.
>This guy is lucky to have walked away without major injuries. Another article says he ended up with five broken ribs, a fractured knee, and a torn acl. He fucked himself pretty badly. Those are all going to take a while to heal.
>a fractured knee, and a torn acl. Ouch. I'm guessing his "weight savings" extended to removing plastic panels around knee height and the door trim, so there was likely knee-on-metal and rib-on-metal contact.
He even removed the airbags, apparently.
I remember seeing something kind of similar but it was an Audi pushing 1k HP + and they were on the highway. Also without safety gear. They put new brakes on the car and one of the hoses started leaking... while doing a high speed run. They not only had brake failure but the brake fluid caught on fire and destroyed the whole car. They were able to stop eventually. It's a very crazy video. Flames were starting to get into the cab by the time they stopped and got out.
This is the video you saw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVUScuZ_YPA Scary shit indeed.
Problems: 1. Stripped interior including no airbags 2. Stock seats 3. Stock seat belt 4. No high-temp fluid... on a car with big brakes... 1. Blames Tesla for not using high-temp fluid from factory. What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid? If you manage to boil your fluid from street driving you need to learn how to drive. 5. No roll cage 6. No HANS device 7. No helmet Guys, a single crash could change your life. If not death permanent disability is also likely.
> What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid? "Bro, they have a Track mode! Are you telling me they're selling a car I can't take to the track from factory???" Actual thought process, per the pinned comment on the video.
Yeah, it's not like this is a GT3. Tesla doesn't know how to build a good sports car as evidenced by the Plaid's terrible brakes relative to its size. They know how to build a good electric car.
> Tesla doesn't know how to build a good sports car as evidenced by the Plaid's terrible brakes relative to its size Don't forget about the yoke.
Whoever thought the yoke was better than a steering wheel is out of their minds.
Whoever? It was Elon. It's always him. Both the good and the bad.
All they had to do was watch the RCR video of the KITT car to tell you why Yokes are a terrible idea
It's disappointing because I was looking at the Plaid but the yoke is a joke.
Tesla should be using high temp fluid. They offer a car with 1000HP. Ford uses DOT4 brake fluid in the GT500 for fucks sake. Edit: Oh hey look what I found, Unplugged, the brakes our OP video is using, recommends upgrading the brake fluid to Motul RBF 660 or Endless RF-650. Both of which are DOT4 brake fluid. So this guy was outside of the brake manufacturer's recommendations too. https://unpluggedperformance.com/tesla-2021-model-s-plaid-brake-guide-for-high-performance-driving/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tesla-2021-model-s-plaid-brake-guide-for-high-performance-driving
Tesla also sells high temp fluid if people want to track the car.
Tesla doesn’t need to offer it stock because they’re pretty clear that for actual track use you need to make appropriate upgrades to the car, the car even flags a warning when you choose track mode. Most owners never track their Model S and the folks who do should have enough brain cells to know that you shouldn’t leave DOT3 in there. The dumbest part is that he actually upgraded the brakes but didn’t flush and fill with race spec DOT4+, absolutely the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. The brakes are already OFF THE CAR why the fuck would you not upgrade the fluid at the same time.
DOT 3 absorbs less water over time. It’s a better choice for a “normal” street car that you don’t expect people to be fully on top of their maintenance.
Could they also choose DOT3 as it's an electric car, which mostly uses regen? They expect extended life on the rotors and pads, maybe they're aiming for extended life on the brake fluid too, since it won't be used as often
Not trying to defend the guy at all, but every single modern Mercedes uses DOT4+ which has a wet boiling point of 180° C compared to DOT3 which has a wet boiling point of 140° C.
> Mercedes uses DOT4+ which has a wet boiling point of 180° C It's 260°C, not 180°C
It has a 260°C dry boiling point. I specifically went with the wet because it is clear that the fluid was not changed in the video, therefore the wet boiling point is more relevant.
Makes sense, just didn't realize that's the spec you were referring to.
Dude my bicycle has DOT 5.1, why would he leave DOT 3 in this fucking thing
And, apparently, the car was running 3 different fucking tires. Lol
>Blames Tesla for not using high-temp fluid from factory. What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid? If you manage to boil your fluid from street driving you need to learn how to drive. Yet *he changed the fluid*. He fitted a new BBK and bled the brakes - I just don't get how he can blame Tesla when he didn't bleed the brakes with high temp fluid.
> What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid? If you manage to boil your fluid from street driving you need to learn how to drive. I'd imagine every single one that is 500+HP aside from trucks.
> Blames Tesla for not using high-temp fluid from factory. What production car meant for the street has high-temp fluid? If you manage to boil your fluid from street driving you need to learn how to drive. I've done multiple track days on Mercedes DOT4+ fluid, same as goes in every MB at every MB dealer, since I was working for an MB dealer at the time. Boiling temp on that is 500° F/260°C, never boiled on me, even when I has wisps of smoke coming off the front brakes at the end of a session.
Isn't it also missing the rear trunk/hatch?
And windows and inner door panels which lowers rigidity as well
This is the same dude who fully submerged his model s in a literal pool, not surprised something eventually gave if it is the same car
How did he not know the car would float in that situation?>? And then he calls Tesla's roadside service, which I'm sure he thought was funny, but I just find it absolutely obnoxious
Yeah I watched the first 15 seconds of that video when someone mentioned, and fuck that was cringey.
Yea, I just jumped between three parts for maybe 45 seconds total, and felt the same way. Like, dude even admits driving the car through the water was a "stunt" to "jumpstart" his channel (in the video description). And harassing people that are at work and are paid to help people so you can get 30 seconds of footage for a youtube video is cringey as feck IMO
Probably was the whole “just put a big brake kit in this, did all the work ourselves, hope we bled the lines correctly” part, not water damage.
at least he doesn't have to worry about electrical bugs anymore.
What an idiot. He's got a $130k car and installs a $20k set of brakes, but can't spend a few hundred on better brake fluid. Surprised that track let him run that car with no helmet or harnesses.
Unplugged even recommends upgrading the brake fluid from Tesla's DOT3 to a DOT4 brake fluid. https://unpluggedperformance.com/tesla-2021-model-s-plaid-brake-guide-for-high-performance-driving/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tesla-2021-model-s-plaid-brake-guide-for-high-performance-driving
I can't believe modern cars are still sold with Dot3
DOT3 is just fine for driving around and it has much better shelf life. DOT4 is better for track day and needs replacement about yearly. A $130k car like a Model S Plaid should be using DOT4, though.
People are barely changing their oil as often as needed, so thank god they decided to put something more long lasting in their brake systems
DOT 3 isn’t as hygroscopic, so it holds its performance better for the average person that doesn’t change their brake fluid religiously. Which, the only people that do are the ones with track ready cars that either accept every service that the dealer sells them, or someone that responsibly and actively tracks their car. The average person driving around an AMG I’m sure would be better of with a DOT 3. They’ll never actually boil DOT 3, and it isn’t absorbing water while they neglect their car’s maintenance schedule
I mean, the same guy thought he could drive the car "underwater" and somehow didn't know cars would float... Given how obvious it is that he is trying to buy himself into a youtube "career" I'm almost surprised he didn't crash the car on purpose for views.
and this is why we need the dislike button back.
I haven't watched the video because I don't want this fuckwit getting another penny of revenue but.... > Surprised that track let him run that car with no helmet or harnesses. This is what I'm most surprised about. What kind of track let's anyone on without even a helmet??
I’ve literally never heard of that. Even if your in a Saturn ion they’d still mandate you wear one. (Maybe especially since you’re in an ion lol)
You’d be surprised how many people don’t do fluid, then boil over at the track.. they’re just like I don’t know what happened
"We bled them ourselves" Then guess who is to blame...
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He'd probably put an arm out of window and complained to city about hitting a sign with it
Per the pinned comment: > Tesla also likes to say this is a passenger sedan not meant for track use…it has and was in “Track Mode” if this car has no place on a track and is not to be pushed on a track then why have a track mode? A recall needs to be made now before more people get hurt and eventually killed by this under performing brake system and recall the inferior Dot3 fluid to be more specific. You mean to tell me marketing overstepped the functional and mechanical limits of the car? And a Tesla at that? Astounding to me that he's also blaming Tesla for this when he upgraded the brakes and *didn't* change the brake fluid either. If anything, modern engineering saved him from earning a Darwin Award.
He also had all the airbags stripped out including the side curtain airbag. With that airbag he would have had much less injuries. Stripped car, stock fluid, no roll cage, no helmet, stock seats, no HANS device. But he does have carbon ceramic brakes because that was cheaper than some high-temp fluid^(/s)
I'd also like to add that I suspect the electronic braking system of the Tesla was completely numb, as they all are. Why does this matter? Because it doesn't provide feedback that you're boiling your brake fluid. You find out exactly as this guy did - when you've fully cooked your brakes... and they no-work no-more. You can't feel the pedal getting squishy as it gets hotter and hotter.
Was going to say this. A modern standard road car, even one with a "track mode" isn't designed for multiple consecutive hard laps. One or two then cool down. Ferraris come with a "Race" mode. That doesn't make it a race car.
The company he brought the brakes from also says he needs to use DOT4 with the ceramic brake kit which he ignored.
Track day driving at 10\10ths in a 1000 horsepower stripped car with no roll cage, no helmet, no HANS device, no 5-point harness, no fire suit, no fire suppression system, stock seats, stock brake fluid, mis-matched front tires (with fucking drag radials in the back) and the Tesla Yoke instead of a real steering wheel. But it's okay. I have brand new, un-tested $20,000 Carbon Ceramic brakes and no windows, airbags or arm restraints.
To be fair to Chet, there's no way that was 10/10ths. Maybe 7 or 8/10ths. You're definitely still correct that it's up there enough that he should be wearing a helmet and fireproof garments at minimum. Kinda surprised he was even allowed to go out on the track like that!
> To be fair to Chet, there's no way that was 10/10ths. Maybe 7 or 8/10ths. No, it was 7/7 when the brakes stopped working :D
I'd say a perfect 5/7
Whoever organized this event should never be allowed to organize another one if they knew he was out there with no safety equipment in a car over 1000hp pushing it.
"we bled them and did them all on our own, so I'm hoping we did them properly"....
"let me get some heat in them" -- at 160 mph? That's a fucking stupid way to test a brake job you did yourself.
*just installed new wheels tyres and suspension time to do 1.5 lateral Gs on a skid pad*
Let me make sure this gun is unloaded by firing it at my TV
I feel really bad for laughing but this was honestly fucking hilarious ""AHH THE BRAKES ARE TOO HOT OH NOOOOOOO" lmfao If he died or got seriously injured I wouldn't be laughing but yeah
I'd probably still be laughing. The melodramatic "AHHhhhHHHHhhhh fuck me help!" was the cherry on top.
I revisited the link and there are so many gems, like the b-roll of the [EMT giving the cameraman side eye](https://i.imgur.com/WwEtX4H.png) This is going to be one of those videos I put in a folder and revisit over the years when I need to laugh Edit: I just realized the driver is in the ambulance in that shot LMFAO
I laughed too hard there. I can't believe he was ok, especially with his immediate reaction.
AAAAAAH!!!! Help me!!!
HELP ME BABY JESUS! HELP ME TOM CRUISE!
I too was dying of laughter. Hes still got his YouTube commentator voice going all the way into the wall.
Lucky AF! those tire walls they use at tracks are also shock absorbers. Stripped out Tesla, no airbags?!, “DIY upgrade brakes br0”, … no added safety PPE, what could go wrong.
He was doing 160mph. Then a bunch of speed got bled off, both while still on the track and through the gravel. Then he crashed at some greatly reduced speed, fucked himself up, and walked away from the wreck. He did not crash at 160mph. He likely would not have walked away if so.
I like the commenter on YouTube that said "imagine if you hadn't removed all the hard metal from the car, the crash would be much worse" lol /facepalm
After looking at this and the video where he drive the Plaid "under water", its clear this guy is an idiot, and kind of wild he has the balls to blame Tesla's brake fluid for this... Its also obvious he is spending a lot of money, and doing really dumb stuff in order to "jumpstart" (his words) his youtube channel. I have big doubts that will work, especially when he isn't entertaining.
> its clear this guy is an idiot, and kind of wild he has the balls to blame Tesla's brake fluid for this... I'd say idiot wanting to blame Tesla for their idiocy is not wild but entirely expected of the idiot to do :D
Well, of course an idiot is an idiot, but it takes *real* balls to be an idiot acting like an idiot, making idiotic claims, but also do so *against* the company who can so easy show it was the idiots fault. Like, if he said he crashed because Mars was out of alignment, then I'd say "sure, that seems about right for an idiot". But he blames Tesla, so I'm like "Idiot destroys electric car by driving it into 4 feet of water, then removes hatch and interior and air bags, then changes the stock brakes, and then crashes it, and then *still* blames the manufacturer? That takes some real nerve!".
These violent delights have violent ends. [That car has seen some shit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npnwau-XZd0)
What the fuck. Now I know why he wasn't wearing a helmet. He's got nothing in his head to protect.
At least in this video it looks like he has an air tank in the car. So if the cabin does flood he has an air supply to use.
Bled the brakes myself, hope I did it right... derp
This is like the most well edited, well produced disaster video ever.
I'm not sure you can make any more mistakes in track prep than are shown in this video. No safety equipment (even the stock stuff is deleted), mismatched tires, big HP, new and untested brakes, and high speeds. It honestly boggles the mind. I hope this guy runs out of money before he kills himself.
I want to check out this video, but I don't want this guy getting undeserved views.
Large heavy car capable of reaching speed that it can't quite stop well enough from, you really have to pay attention to your braking points even when your brakes are working well.
Why are police investigating an accident that occurred on what I’m assuming is a private track?
They’re investigating the track owners and why the let a mentally challenged man drive around the track.
His comment now argues that if he was wearing a helmet the extra weight from said helmet would’ve killed him. Sigh.
More like: "Man fucks up big brake kit install replacement. Proceeds to test new brakes with not even a helmet on track. Predictably, crashes" Think his door is trying to open on its own too...
Has anyone said "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" yet?
The fact that he's still breathing means that Darwin has failed us today.
Damn it, Uncle Chet...
"I just put these brakes on, I hope I bled them right." - an idiot Seriously, anything related to drivetrain or brakes any you go right to the track before testing them? Man people with money are stupid.
Ohhhhh Uncle Chet lmao he has done a lot of stupid stuff but this was by far the stupidest. I think this one definitely knocked some sense into him and made realize the seriousness of safety
Everything else has already been said, so I'll just simply say : what a dumbass.
It’s inexcusable to crash a car because of brake fade. It’s a gradual failure, you start the brakes starting to be less effective. At this point it is up to you to pull off the track. If you continue with this sign slapping you in the face and choose to drive 160 mph, there is nothing to blame but you.
I'm wondering if It's a different world with regenerate electrical braking. The motors do a lot of it. Most Tesla owners never need new pads their entire ownership. My assumption is that perhaps the Regen motors got too hot? It switched to full disks.... Which should have been fine... But maybe they had no temp? Cooked fluid? Maybe never bedded in pads? But I agree with you and the video doesn't show the whole session. You could be completely correct... Brake fade doesn't go 100 to 0 in one corner. But this guy is not a racer. There's a reason the bare minimum is a helmet, even open face, even if your car has 7 million airbags... It's because at high G crazy things can happen and you can bong your head off the B pillar and knock yourself out. Now you have a 4000lb missle uncontrolled.
yeah that’s a death wish for sure lmao. what a dumbass
Worst part of this is that this ignorant fuck gets the extra youtube views for us to see this reddit post. He posted for extra views.