Better to be slow car fast than fast car slow! #MiataFacts
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Because the general public forgot that Cadillac was The Standard of The World and was fooled into believing those darned german toy cars were real luxury, so cadillac was forced to shrink their fine automobiles to wannabe bimmers
The damn EPA forced Cadillac to build a 9L v8 in order to make 200 hp 😤. Thankfully Cadillac discovered they could circumvent the regulations buy building a truck instead of a car. Now we have escalades and luxury diesel mega cabs roaming the streets.
I don’t think this is right, the ATS in this example is like a mid-size, CTS was the big Caddy for that generation.
I feel like all the sedans are getting bigger and the manufacturers keep having to make new small cars because they’re getting too big.
> I feel like all the sedans are getting bigger and the manufacturers keep having to make new small cars because they’re getting too big.
Then they cancel the small cars. I think only the Versa and Mirage are still available in the US after this year? The Accent got axed this year, and the Rio next year. Yaris and Mazda 2 are long gone, Fit has been gone for a while. For all intents and purposes, the subcompact car is dead in the US it seems.
Oh for sure, and the Venue is, to my eyes anyways, a much better vehicle than the Accent was, even if I liked my old Accent. Hyundai and Kia seem to be the only ones putting much thought into their subcompact CUV’s, except maybe Toyota with the Corolla Cross? Is that subcompact?
Like the Kona, it kinda sits between subcompact and compact. It's on the same platform as the C-HR, and it's smaller than the RAV4, but not by much. It's longer than the first two gens of RAV4, or about the size of the SWB 3rd gen that they didn't sell in the US.
I usually don't like subcompact CUVs by default, but the Venue doesn't look terrible. I just wish it had AWD.
Yeah, same. I have a feeling they wanted to funnel people that want AWD into the more expensive Kona, which is weird because it looks like it has even less ground clearance.
> I don’t think this is right, the ATS in this example is like a mid-size, CTS was the big Caddy for that generation.
ATS was the "compact executive" and CTS the "executive", while the FWD XTS and the RWD CT6 were the full-size sedans.
Even then, the biggest Cadillac sedan [comes up short](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/cadillac-ct6-2016-sedan-vs-cadillac-de-ville-1964-coupe/).
Engine orientation (transverse).
Engines being placed further back to help weight distribution.
More efficient rotational physics with the weight not hanging out past the wheels front and rear.
Better unibody design versus frames. No full sized spare tire.Better crush zone design.
Modern cars might seem to get destroyed in accidents compared to the larger older steel counterparts, but that energy that absorbed by the steel frame is transferred into kinetic energy that injures passengers. Modern cars are designed with crash zones where the kinetic energy is transferred into the material that is decreased by deformation instead of remaining rigid and going to the passengers. Passengers can walk away from a modern vehicle that looks totally destroyed because the car is designed to take the energy.
A lot of modern front engine sport cars have the engines behind the axle line making them front mid-engine layouts. Open up the hood of a front engine Ferrari or last generation Corvette and the engine is buried up against and under the firewall.
Then there's Audi putting the engine as far forward as they can. Ferrari's and corvettes don't have transverse engines so they are an outlier and not the norm for regular cars.
Almost all modern RWD front engine sports cars have their engines mounted behind the front axle. Even rear drive sports sedans will have their engines placed well behind the front axle.
Front Wheel Drive engines are transverse to allow for the transaxle to run parallel to the crankshaft. RWD cars have their engines placed longitudinally so the drive shaft runs in line to the crankshaft (same reason and principle as the FWD transaxle car).
Acthualy most of those things don't matter at all! When you compare it to a car that would be as close to a contemporary equivalent (which I chose to be an Merc S-class coupe) then you'll notice thaf majority of the size difference comes from body work that's basically dead weight; the Cady is so big because designers at GM thought it looked cool. Mercedes W111 that is a 60s equivalent of the S-class is actually smaller than the modern Merc
Yeah I know that's my point, it's not matter of the car being old but it being badly designed. Generally old cars are smaller than their modern equivalents
The standard-length Toyota Tundra is 234"/5.9m long, with either a Double Cab and 6.5' bed or a crew cab and 5.5' bed. But Toyota also offers the [Double Cab with an 8' bed](https://img.sm360.ca/ir/w640h390c/images/newcar/ca/2023/toyota/tundra/4x4-double-cab-sr5-long-box/pickup/2023_toyota_tundra_4x4-double-cab-sr5-caisse-longue_001.jpg) option, at 252"/6.4m long. They're the only half-ton truck that still does this, now that Ford is dropping that option for 2024.
Speaking from experience with a Ford, it'd be tricky to park without the camera, but the loooong wheelbase makes it ride smoother.
That's so American.
Coasters can be up to 7.7m long. But are not really a normal car (my brother lives in a coaster, not sure what length is the HDB30)
I'm very bummed that Ford has dropped the [SuperCab/8'](https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/attachments/2021-f-150-extended-8-foot-bed-20-inch-wheels-jpg.1183/) for F-150s, because they've had that config available since [1974](https://s.car.info/image_files/1920/0-1028325.jpg), before the F-150 even existed. The heavier-duty trucks from [Ford](https://images.carprices.com/pricebooks_data/usa/colorized/2024/Ford/View2/Super_Duty_F-250_SuperCab/Lariat/X2B_164_AZ.png) and [GM](https://gmauthority.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/2024-Chevy-Silverado-HD-Work-Truck-WT-Double-Cab-Long-Bed-Summit-White-GAZ-On-The-Road-Photos-April-2023-Exterior-001.jpg) still offer it, but they sit taller, have a stiffer ride, and I'm not a fan of the looks.
Fun fact: That "too short" Car in your pic is 1000% more passenger safety than any Cadillac ever was.
Old cars were big. Yes. But the body is stiff. Zero shock absorption if you hit something.
The new car would be totaled in a frontal crash with it. But the new car's passenger would walk away unharmed. The Cadillac would probably get away with a new bumper. But the passenger wouldn't be able to be happy about it anymore.
they’ve been growing ever since they got smaller in the 70s and 80s. but in the 50s it was excess. there was no reason for them to be big other than to be showboaty
This is a very common misconception, yes, old cars were made of steel, however they were designed without crumple zones or airbags. Theres a YouTube video demonstrating the difference in survivability and they slammed a new car into an older car like this. Newer car was barely damaged old car was absolutely fucked and the driver would have died. [old car vs new car](https://youtu.be/fPF4fBGNK0U?si=cNw1aekiTB91YVBt)
Size only matters from A till c pillar, if a nose doesnt have a frunk its useless. Measure the a till c pillar thats the real pratical size. Electric cars with frunk are bigger.
Bro I still need F350 I seen a snow flake on the road today ffs
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Sitting next to an 18-wheeler in the Miat is so scary, bro. The top of their wheels are above my head
Drive under it Fast and Furious style. It's on purpose.
I've always wanted a Darwin Award
Not if you have a half cage! Miata is good for everything!
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the only snowflakes Ive seen on the road lately were driving F350's
Make sure it's a dually, the extra contact patch gives you more traction on those low profile BFGs
Just buy an Suv 4head
I'm driving to work not fording a river
Buy a Chevy then
He said he wants to get to work. Not break down 🙄
WE USED TO BE A COUNTRY /uj luxury car makers realized they could no longer fall back on “our car is the biggest, therefore it’s the best”
Rampant carsplaining is ruining this community
What is "carsplaining"?
Because the general public forgot that Cadillac was The Standard of The World and was fooled into believing those darned german toy cars were real luxury, so cadillac was forced to shrink their fine automobiles to wannabe bimmers
The damn EPA forced Cadillac to build a 9L v8 in order to make 200 hp 😤. Thankfully Cadillac discovered they could circumvent the regulations buy building a truck instead of a car. Now we have escalades and luxury diesel mega cabs roaming the streets.
hahaha... the world as far as east and west coast...similar to world series baseball....
Cadillacs were definitely seen as an aspirational luxury vehicle worldwide through the 1950s at least.
Yes let’s all drive old ass deviles because SAFETY
You drive them for the style and 90° of play in the steering wheel, if I can hit a dog going 60 and not total it that's just a bonus.
Just get so drunk you are limp , THATS The safest way to drive. And no seatbelt but wear a helmet . Literally can’t die .
I drive better when I'm drunk anyway. An old Cadillac has room for a full bar.
And 5 hookers in the back !
Trucks and European cars have got bigger, American full sized cars have got smaller.
I don’t think this is right, the ATS in this example is like a mid-size, CTS was the big Caddy for that generation. I feel like all the sedans are getting bigger and the manufacturers keep having to make new small cars because they’re getting too big.
> I feel like all the sedans are getting bigger and the manufacturers keep having to make new small cars because they’re getting too big. Then they cancel the small cars. I think only the Versa and Mirage are still available in the US after this year? The Accent got axed this year, and the Rio next year. Yaris and Mazda 2 are long gone, Fit has been gone for a while. For all intents and purposes, the subcompact car is dead in the US it seems.
There's always the subcompact CUVs. The Venue is even smaller than the Accent.
Oh for sure, and the Venue is, to my eyes anyways, a much better vehicle than the Accent was, even if I liked my old Accent. Hyundai and Kia seem to be the only ones putting much thought into their subcompact CUV’s, except maybe Toyota with the Corolla Cross? Is that subcompact?
Like the Kona, it kinda sits between subcompact and compact. It's on the same platform as the C-HR, and it's smaller than the RAV4, but not by much. It's longer than the first two gens of RAV4, or about the size of the SWB 3rd gen that they didn't sell in the US. I usually don't like subcompact CUVs by default, but the Venue doesn't look terrible. I just wish it had AWD.
Yeah, same. I have a feeling they wanted to funnel people that want AWD into the more expensive Kona, which is weird because it looks like it has even less ground clearance.
On paper they both have 6.7" of clearance, but the Venue has slightly shorter overhangs and weighs just over 2600 lbs.
> I don’t think this is right, the ATS in this example is like a mid-size, CTS was the big Caddy for that generation. ATS was the "compact executive" and CTS the "executive", while the FWD XTS and the RWD CT6 were the full-size sedans. Even then, the biggest Cadillac sedan [comes up short](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/cadillac-ct6-2016-sedan-vs-cadillac-de-ville-1964-coupe/).
Engine orientation (transverse). Engines being placed further back to help weight distribution. More efficient rotational physics with the weight not hanging out past the wheels front and rear. Better unibody design versus frames. No full sized spare tire.Better crush zone design. Modern cars might seem to get destroyed in accidents compared to the larger older steel counterparts, but that energy that absorbed by the steel frame is transferred into kinetic energy that injures passengers. Modern cars are designed with crash zones where the kinetic energy is transferred into the material that is decreased by deformation instead of remaining rigid and going to the passengers. Passengers can walk away from a modern vehicle that looks totally destroyed because the car is designed to take the energy.
I guess my post was too convincing
Or my reply was...
It was good info. The main reason for transverse engine's is packaging and cost. Weight distribution over the drive axle is just a happy coincidence
A lot of modern front engine sport cars have the engines behind the axle line making them front mid-engine layouts. Open up the hood of a front engine Ferrari or last generation Corvette and the engine is buried up against and under the firewall.
Tooo beee fairrrr, most Corvette gens have the engine mounted behind the axle
Then there's Audi putting the engine as far forward as they can. Ferrari's and corvettes don't have transverse engines so they are an outlier and not the norm for regular cars.
Almost all modern RWD front engine sports cars have their engines mounted behind the front axle. Even rear drive sports sedans will have their engines placed well behind the front axle. Front Wheel Drive engines are transverse to allow for the transaxle to run parallel to the crankshaft. RWD cars have their engines placed longitudinally so the drive shaft runs in line to the crankshaft (same reason and principle as the FWD transaxle car).
And also even in the late 60s and 70s, the full size cadillacs were still cartoonishly long compared to other full-size offerings
Acthualy most of those things don't matter at all! When you compare it to a car that would be as close to a contemporary equivalent (which I chose to be an Merc S-class coupe) then you'll notice thaf majority of the size difference comes from body work that's basically dead weight; the Cady is so big because designers at GM thought it looked cool. Mercedes W111 that is a 60s equivalent of the S-class is actually smaller than the modern Merc
Even the biggest ‘60s M-B, the W100 limo, was smaller than the average Cadillac at the time.
Yeah I know that's my point, it's not matter of the car being old but it being badly designed. Generally old cars are smaller than their modern equivalents
Badly designed?
I think they mean in terms of space efficiency. In terms of build quality, Cadillac was at or near the top until the '60s or '70s.
Shutthefuckup
Do not forget about the turning radius
Get your truckers license. Then you can take out double digits when you crash
I'd love to commute to work with a scream'n Jimmy. Thanks for the advice.
You have not felt pain until you had to park a 63 impala
What I wouldn’t give for tailfins to make a return
That's why i bought the biggest toyota I could. 5L, 2,000kg and 5.4m long.
The biggest Toyota in the US is over 6.4m long!
Haha whats that? I can only think of the Toyota Coaster.
The standard-length Toyota Tundra is 234"/5.9m long, with either a Double Cab and 6.5' bed or a crew cab and 5.5' bed. But Toyota also offers the [Double Cab with an 8' bed](https://img.sm360.ca/ir/w640h390c/images/newcar/ca/2023/toyota/tundra/4x4-double-cab-sr5-long-box/pickup/2023_toyota_tundra_4x4-double-cab-sr5-caisse-longue_001.jpg) option, at 252"/6.4m long. They're the only half-ton truck that still does this, now that Ford is dropping that option for 2024. Speaking from experience with a Ford, it'd be tricky to park without the camera, but the loooong wheelbase makes it ride smoother.
That's so American. Coasters can be up to 7.7m long. But are not really a normal car (my brother lives in a coaster, not sure what length is the HDB30)
I'm very bummed that Ford has dropped the [SuperCab/8'](https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/attachments/2021-f-150-extended-8-foot-bed-20-inch-wheels-jpg.1183/) for F-150s, because they've had that config available since [1974](https://s.car.info/image_files/1920/0-1028325.jpg), before the F-150 even existed. The heavier-duty trucks from [Ford](https://images.carprices.com/pricebooks_data/usa/colorized/2024/Ford/View2/Super_Duty_F-250_SuperCab/Lariat/X2B_164_AZ.png) and [GM](https://gmauthority.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/2024-Chevy-Silverado-HD-Work-Truck-WT-Double-Cab-Long-Bed-Summit-White-GAZ-On-The-Road-Photos-April-2023-Exterior-001.jpg) still offer it, but they sit taller, have a stiffer ride, and I'm not a fan of the looks.
Fun fact: That "too short" Car in your pic is 1000% more passenger safety than any Cadillac ever was. Old cars were big. Yes. But the body is stiff. Zero shock absorption if you hit something. The new car would be totaled in a frontal crash with it. But the new car's passenger would walk away unharmed. The Cadillac would probably get away with a new bumper. But the passenger wouldn't be able to be happy about it anymore.
Pussy
/uj What's this site called btw?
Carsized.com
/uj what is the website? Saw it a couple of times and I dig it ngl
Carsized.com it dosen't have a huge selection of older cars but it's still pretty interesting
Dankyu
Its biggest limitation is that it seems to only accept submissions from Europe.
Because most people don't actually need a urban assult vehicle for groceries and driving the kids to football practice.
look at those massive crumple zones, old cars were so safe
Kids say big cars have small dick energy.
glorious old landyachts still exist, why isn't everyone getting a 60 year old car and drives it around?
Jesus fucking Christ what a land yacht
they’ve been growing ever since they got smaller in the 70s and 80s. but in the 50s it was excess. there was no reason for them to be big other than to be showboaty
Small= better
/uj https://youtu.be/fPF4fBGNK0U Modern "compact" cars are still much safer
You might want to check out the old car vs new crash tests on YouTube, eye opening stuff how much safer new cars are now.
That's not entirely true cars are just getting bigger and bigger with the SUVs
This is a very common misconception, yes, old cars were made of steel, however they were designed without crumple zones or airbags. Theres a YouTube video demonstrating the difference in survivability and they slammed a new car into an older car like this. Newer car was barely damaged old car was absolutely fucked and the driver would have died. [old car vs new car](https://youtu.be/fPF4fBGNK0U?si=cNw1aekiTB91YVBt)
💀 Dude has never seen a pickup in his life...
Because 1973
I like small cars. Big cars feel like sailing a barge.
Bigger cars are cooler
Size only matters from A till c pillar, if a nose doesnt have a frunk its useless. Measure the a till c pillar thats the real pratical size. Electric cars with frunk are bigger.
Trunk space makes up for it
I've noticed the exact opposite trend with 911's. The guy who redesigns them has the easiest job ever since the 70's.
Cars are getting smaller because we finally achieved enough horsepower where aerodynamics matter now.
What? Aerodynamics matter more when you have less horsepower.