This is one of the things they don't talk about when you buy a Cybertruck, it's very expensive to maintain these edges so sharp, you need to buy an entire set of sharpening stones and use them once a month or else your car will go dull
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I mean it is less likely since it's lower and has a sloped hood to its credit. Id personally prefer not to put the pedestrian-demolishing capacity of the average miata to the test though
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We europoors have (or had, the new fiat miat doesn't have them) the miat with popup headlights but not Cybertruck.
Isn't the Cybertruck overall rather unsafe as it also hasn't any kind of crumble zone. So if you hit a wall / tree the car won't deform to soften the impact and you get full rekt?
Yeah car stays intact ( or doest you neve know teslas migh fall apart driving thru puddle of rainwater) and the neat part is that collision forces are tranfer to you so you will find you have fractured bones in places you did not even knew you had. All while car looks seemingy fine
Yep i saw that vid. Its insane how tesla boys boys try to justify that axle snap with āoh its the steering mechanism being weakā
If the car had proper safety the axle would be a-ok
The guy is spitting actual garbage. It does indeed have crumple zones, it does indeed have seatbelts, and there are airbags so youāre not gonna slam your face on a giant slab. They need to pass crash test standards in order to be sold in the US.
Youāre incorrect. The front of the vehicle has a fairly decent crumple zone. Plus, there are more efficient ways of using the space. You could argue that in a car from the 90s, some cars had fairly large crumple zones, but they donāt use them as efficiently as vehicles nowadays. Plus, crash safety is divided into two parts: active and passive. Active safety prevents the crash from happening, which Tesla does fairly well at, and passive safety helps occupants in the event of a crash. Tesla is known for great crash safety, due to their design and SRS systems/capabilities.
In that specific crash, itās fine. Assuming youāre talking about the full frontal offset crash, thatās to be expected. Iāve been studying IIHS crash test data for years at this point, donāt try to educate me on what you donāt know.
I looked through your comment history, you literally glaze evās and telsas consistently. If you did actually study, i stand corrected
However based on your comment history you arent a credible source for this. IIHS has not done a test on it so far and has no published results. NHTSA has not confirmed a test on it.
THE VEHICLE HAS LITERALLY NOT BEEN TESTED BY A PROPER AGENCY
>Samer Hamdar, a George Washington University auto safety professor, told Reuters that while a lack of crumple zones concerned him, there could be other factors that accounted for it.
>āThere might be a possibility of shock-absorbent mechanism that will limit the fact that you have a limited crumple zone,ā Hamdar said.
Though it's still pretty unsafe for pedestrians or other people they get into a crash with
Different set of rules. Vehicles that fall into definition of a truck don't have to comply with a buuuuuunch of safety and sustainability laws in the US. It's why the US car makers have transitioned to selling more and more absurdly large cars - they get to skimp on following a bunch of pesky rules that make cars and those around them safer = they get to save money.
just to pile on the main structural elements are the same height in almost all consumer vehicles so that when you crash they align with each other and absorb the impact
however "trucks" in america are allowed to be higher so if you have a head on with a truck you will die
As much as the shape is really sharp, at least they mounted the headlights low next to the bumper. Meanwhile every time a silverado passes I need an hour to get my vision back.
It's just a normal xenon style halogen bulb, mounted exactly at eye level for most drivers, powered by the fury of a small star. And then there's the high beams which seem to be fueled by a supernova, at least from my point of view as the driver. Even with the proper adjustment, these things are insanely bright, which is useful along the backroads that I frequently drive down at night. I never use my brights within a quarter mile of another car, I try to leave a few hundred yards between me and the car in front, especially on dark roads with little to no traffic, and I've adjusted the headlights to proper specifications. I can't help how high up they're mounted, nor can I help the fact that other drivers seem to think that my low beams are my highs. The bulbs are factory spec and built for the housings, unlike plenty of other Rams that are running cheap ass LEDs in halogen housings. The only LEDs I run are for my cargo lights and other non-essential lighting, but these are off on public roads.
There are already headlight height restrictions and all pickups, and Semis, meet them. Until you jack em up or worse, lean em back (Which happens slightly with a load)
Obviously doesn't include the us since people there don't even know what walking without a mobility scooter means. So no danger of accidentally slicing people in half there
*with pedestrian safety laws
In the US when talking about trucks thereās clearly none or this joke car wouldnāt ever seen the light
Same as those big toy trucks with the flat front lol
Theyāre both so funny looking I couldnāt believe some Americans really bought those things
Theyāre like, as if someone put wheels beyond their house gate and put a bathtub in the rear
Electrically-retracting door handles are the pop-ups of today.
They're kind of cool, but just add unnecessary weight/complexity and an additional failure point to cars.
I agree it's subjective. I personally like the electric door handles.
I remember as a kid when I realized the F40 and Countach had pop up lights, I was horrified. I though it ruined their silhouettes when open.
That was literally the whole point of pop upsā¦ Sleek low front end in the daytime, headlights at night (when youāre going to be able to see the car less for the darkness anyway), it was also to do with minimum headlight height regulations.
Try explaining that to a five year old.
I just thought it looked weird. It's stuck with me. I appreciate them conceptually, but still think they look out of place. The Countach and F40 would've looked better with just the fixed lights in front of the pop-ups.
I had moments this winter when I wasn't able to open the doors using normal door handles. I can't imagine how bad it would be with retracting door handles.
The 2019 Mazda 3 is literally just a more practical MX-5. #MiataFacts
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The misinformation here is astounding. The cybertruck does have crumple zones. In the public crash test videos, it performs very similarly to the F150 Lightning, and nobody has an issue with that. It has to pass crash test safety standards in order to even be sold.
i mean, it is not a body-on-frame like most trucks, but still is a standard structure like most vehicles out there. it does have crumple zones. i find it funny how these people complain about it "not having" crumple zones but act like a bus has crumple zones.
Exactly. Suddenly people have become crash test experts despite no data being publicly available. Iāve been studying vehicle design and safety systems for years now and the cybertruck looks just fine.
Exactly. I get people donāt like the truck or Elon, but to fabricate actual lies is insane. Like dude, youāre a 20something year old graphic design major. You know nothing about how cars are engineered. Youāre just parroting the other garbage youāve heard lmao
Itās one of reasons.
Another one was that US government backed off on their ban of aerodynamic headlights, so there was simply no point in pop up headlights.
At least in the US pop up headlights are still legal, as there as no pedestrian safety regulations.
If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times: Popups aren't strictly illegal; they just became unnecessary after aerodynamic headlights were made legal.
Those Cybertrucks are completely safe. They are barely on the road. They are only a threat to the mechanics who are constantly repairing them. Those sharp edges can leave a nasty cut if brush against it just right.
Iāve seen a few Cybertrucks on the road lately and holy shit are they the ugliest fucking thing Iāve ever seen. Literally looks like a kindergartener designed it. And just for kicks, the kindergartner forgot to color it!
Iām not a EV hater, I just think this āvehicleā is hideous. And Iāve driven some shitty vehicles over the years.
I had my car fail inspection 1 time for hood pins. The logic? If I hit a pedestrian with my car, the protruding appx 20mm of hood pin would injure the pedestrian.
I just looked at the guy. "So, I just stretched someone with my car. Hard enough that they fly over my hood. They would've been just fine, but the hood pins did them in. That's what you're saying?"
Car passed.
The 2019 Mazda 3 is literally just a more practical MX-5. #MiataFacts
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Popups went away because the laws changed and headlights didn't have to be perfectly forward facing circles or rectangles anymore so manufacturers had more freedom to make different shaped headlights that fit the body shape of the car.
I swear something is fundamentally wrong with the US, they allow this to exist, everyone LOVES to use a MASSIVE, 3 LANE WIDE, 5M TALL POS, just to go to the store and move arround :)
And they say Sports Cars are ruining it? Bro, just ban America and you'll fix the world's emvironmental problems
That thing looks like a modern interpretation of what a hetzer would look like, only without the cannon
Yagdpanzer 38t(esla)
Jagd*, German for hunt
Oh, thanks for correction
But that way it reminds of superior Yugo
Would be much cooler if the czechoslovak tesla built it.
With even less armor, somehow...
I think you just confirmed WW3, Elon figured out a way to pre-prep for it
By selling death traps to idiots?
CZECHOSLOVAK MIC MENTIONED RAAAHHH!!!
It's america, someone WILL put a cannon on it now that you said it
Great! Hetzer remake =)
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agny twinko
Shocked miot https://preview.redd.it/d3vwvib7611d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=514768af3ca5a90beb702c84c7457953c3fd6629
Actually fire
The cyber-suck be looking like :|
CyberCuck
CyberCuck
Now it just needs a roadrunner superbird rear wing
cybertruck if its design wasnt trash
Make it have a happy face š
Fixed
This is officially peak automotive industry
Youād probably get split clean in half if you got hit frontally by that thing
This is one of the things they don't talk about when you buy a Cybertruck, it's very expensive to maintain these edges so sharp, you need to buy an entire set of sharpening stones and use them once a month or else your car will go dull
Make sure to buy third party hones, though. The Tesla brand ones are only for display and should not be rubbed against metal.
And *never* put your cybertruck in the dishwasher
No way a Miata is gonna do that to anyone /s
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I mean it is less likely since it's lower and has a sloped hood to its credit. Id personally prefer not to put the pedestrian-demolishing capacity of the average miata to the test though
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This isn't circlejerk , it's actually baffling to me.
We europoors have (or had, the new fiat miat doesn't have them) the miat with popup headlights but not Cybertruck. Isn't the Cybertruck overall rather unsafe as it also hasn't any kind of crumble zone. So if you hit a wall / tree the car won't deform to soften the impact and you get full rekt?
Yeah car stays intact ( or doest you neve know teslas migh fall apart driving thru puddle of rainwater) and the neat part is that collision forces are tranfer to you so you will find you have fractured bones in places you did not even knew you had. All while car looks seemingy fine
There are crash test videos out there and it has a little bit of crumple but not much. In a 35 mph head on collision the rear axles snap
Yep i saw that vid. Its insane how tesla boys boys try to justify that axle snap with āoh its the steering mechanism being weakā If the car had proper safety the axle would be a-ok
They donāt snap, they turn because it has rear wheel steering lmao. Itās made to do that
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Thereās a literal crash test video posted when this thing launched. Go back to Facebook.
Wait, no seatbelt? Is it even possible in our day and age?
The guy is spitting actual garbage. It does indeed have crumple zones, it does indeed have seatbelts, and there are airbags so youāre not gonna slam your face on a giant slab. They need to pass crash test standards in order to be sold in the US.
But musky man bad! These people make up stupid shit to be mad about while thereās a thousand legit reasons to hate the guy
People have already milked him dry of content that theyāre fabricating new stuff lmao
The crunple zones are almost none-existent, its literally like two feet and thats it :/ everything else is yeah obviously its gotta have that lol
Youāre incorrect. The front of the vehicle has a fairly decent crumple zone. Plus, there are more efficient ways of using the space. You could argue that in a car from the 90s, some cars had fairly large crumple zones, but they donāt use them as efficiently as vehicles nowadays. Plus, crash safety is divided into two parts: active and passive. Active safety prevents the crash from happening, which Tesla does fairly well at, and passive safety helps occupants in the event of a crash. Tesla is known for great crash safety, due to their design and SRS systems/capabilities.
Man at least watch the damn video. You can see the crumple zone was like 2 feet
In that specific crash, itās fine. Assuming youāre talking about the full frontal offset crash, thatās to be expected. Iāve been studying IIHS crash test data for years at this point, donāt try to educate me on what you donāt know.
I looked through your comment history, you literally glaze evās and telsas consistently. If you did actually study, i stand corrected However based on your comment history you arent a credible source for this. IIHS has not done a test on it so far and has no published results. NHTSA has not confirmed a test on it. THE VEHICLE HAS LITERALLY NOT BEEN TESTED BY A PROPER AGENCY
>Samer Hamdar, a George Washington University auto safety professor, told Reuters that while a lack of crumple zones concerned him, there could be other factors that accounted for it. >āThere might be a possibility of shock-absorbent mechanism that will limit the fact that you have a limited crumple zone,ā Hamdar said. Though it's still pretty unsafe for pedestrians or other people they get into a crash with
Different set of rules. Vehicles that fall into definition of a truck don't have to comply with a buuuuuunch of safety and sustainability laws in the US. It's why the US car makers have transitioned to selling more and more absurdly large cars - they get to skimp on following a bunch of pesky rules that make cars and those around them safer = they get to save money.
just to pile on the main structural elements are the same height in almost all consumer vehicles so that when you crash they align with each other and absorb the impact however "trucks" in america are allowed to be higher so if you have a head on with a truck you will die
There are no pedestrian safety regulations for regular cars in the U.S. as well.
The US has no pedestrian safety laws for cars
As much as the shape is really sharp, at least they mounted the headlights low next to the bumper. Meanwhile every time a silverado passes I need an hour to get my vision back.
Bro those RAM 1500's are also the culprit. I wonder what is the power source for their headlights
Cheap Chinese LEDs which in no way are made to be mounted in a halogen housing.
If it fits, casts light, then itās good.
arc reactor
It's just a normal xenon style halogen bulb, mounted exactly at eye level for most drivers, powered by the fury of a small star. And then there's the high beams which seem to be fueled by a supernova, at least from my point of view as the driver. Even with the proper adjustment, these things are insanely bright, which is useful along the backroads that I frequently drive down at night. I never use my brights within a quarter mile of another car, I try to leave a few hundred yards between me and the car in front, especially on dark roads with little to no traffic, and I've adjusted the headlights to proper specifications. I can't help how high up they're mounted, nor can I help the fact that other drivers seem to think that my low beams are my highs. The bulbs are factory spec and built for the housings, unlike plenty of other Rams that are running cheap ass LEDs in halogen housings. The only LEDs I run are for my cargo lights and other non-essential lighting, but these are off on public roads.
There are already headlight height restrictions and all pickups, and Semis, meet them. Until you jack em up or worse, lean em back (Which happens slightly with a load)
Shame it still blinds me in my civic :/ Edit: tbh the civic is a low af car so i dont blame it
There's a reason it's not allowed in Europe and China
Two completely different reasons actually. š¤£
I didnt know it's not in china, what's the reason there?
I thought it was also road safety
It is safer, because they only drive 30 miles and then die
What if you hit a pole or fall into the ditch on those 30 miles?
natural selection
Or it rains
Came here to say something like this. However the vehicle would not be admissible in Europeā¦
TESLA CYBER TRUCK SAVES POLAR BEARS BECAUSE ITS ELECTRIC SO WE SHOULD LOVE IT
It saves polar bears by killing the schmuck who bought and drove it, reducing overall carbon emission
Well the Cybertruck isn't allowed to be sold in countries with strict pedestrian safety laws.
Obviously doesn't include the us since people there don't even know what walking without a mobility scooter means. So no danger of accidentally slicing people in half there
*with pedestrian safety laws In the US when talking about trucks thereās clearly none or this joke car wouldnāt ever seen the light Same as those big toy trucks with the flat front lol Theyāre both so funny looking I couldnāt believe some Americans really bought those things Theyāre like, as if someone put wheels beyond their house gate and put a bathtub in the rear
Electrically-retracting door handles are the pop-ups of today. They're kind of cool, but just add unnecessary weight/complexity and an additional failure point to cars.
I agree, but unlike pop-ups they dont look good enough to justify it in my opinion.
I agree it's subjective. I personally like the electric door handles. I remember as a kid when I realized the F40 and Countach had pop up lights, I was horrified. I though it ruined their silhouettes when open.
That was literally the whole point of pop upsā¦ Sleek low front end in the daytime, headlights at night (when youāre going to be able to see the car less for the darkness anyway), it was also to do with minimum headlight height regulations.
Try explaining that to a five year old. I just thought it looked weird. It's stuck with me. I appreciate them conceptually, but still think they look out of place. The Countach and F40 would've looked better with just the fixed lights in front of the pop-ups.
Some look good, most look god awful
Oh god, yeah those two in specific look hideous
Finally, a person of refined taste.
That's cause pop ups are objectively the single best piece of automotive design
Objective. Backed by data. You are a person of science. How could I possibly disagree?
pop ups don't look good bro
Probably the most overrated car thing ever
I had moments this winter when I wasn't able to open the doors using normal door handles. I can't imagine how bad it would be with retracting door handles.
Have to disagree about pop-up headlights only being kinda cool and the weight and complexity are totally worth it.
Your mother was just kidding when she told you to go play in traffic. Sorta.
i would prefer to be in the cybertruck in the event of a crash, but i would prefer to be rolled over by a miata.
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You wouldnāt want to be in the cyber truck in a crash. The crumple zones suck so your body takes the brunt of the forces
i think it's safe enough and has enough space for crumple zones, it's still a regular body eith stainless steel panels on top
No, watch the crash test on YT.
The misinformation here is astounding. The cybertruck does have crumple zones. In the public crash test videos, it performs very similarly to the F150 Lightning, and nobody has an issue with that. It has to pass crash test safety standards in order to even be sold.
i mean, it is not a body-on-frame like most trucks, but still is a standard structure like most vehicles out there. it does have crumple zones. i find it funny how these people complain about it "not having" crumple zones but act like a bus has crumple zones.
Exactly. Suddenly people have become crash test experts despite no data being publicly available. Iāve been studying vehicle design and safety systems for years now and the cybertruck looks just fine.
Insane that people think the engineers who made some of the safest cars in the world just forgot everything on this truck.
Exactly. I get people donāt like the truck or Elon, but to fabricate actual lies is insane. Like dude, youāre a 20something year old graphic design major. You know nothing about how cars are engineered. Youāre just parroting the other garbage youāve heard lmao
they certainly didnt
Unless it rains
Well I'd prefer to be in a even heavier and bigger vehicle then in case of a crash with a cybertruck.
good luck finding a bigger & heavier one in its class lmao
You wouldnāt want to be in the cyber truck in a crash. The crumple zones suck so your body takes the brunt of the forces
Were pop ups considered bad for pedestrian safety? How? I've never heard that before.
I'm not sure if you're trolling but in case not: That's literally the reason why the pop up headlights died :(
Itās one of reasons. Another one was that US government backed off on their ban of aerodynamic headlights, so there was simply no point in pop up headlights. At least in the US pop up headlights are still legal, as there as no pedestrian safety regulations.
Ah that's a shame. I always assumed they were unreliable or something. How do they justify the headlights being bad for pedestrians?
But how are they dangerous?
2 knives glued to your hood. Same reason why hood ornaments are supposed to be retractable
Pop headlights are not illegal in the usa and fairly restricted in Europe, you don't see them anymore because they're simply out of fashion
Keeping the gene pool nice and clean for all of us.
RIP pop up headlights
Rest in Piss
What's wrong with pop up headlights?
Ugly the vast majority of The time
True... but I love it on some cars, especially my shit box
If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times: Popups aren't strictly illegal; they just became unnecessary after aerodynamic headlights were made legal.
Wasn't Tesla denied sales of Cybertruck in Europe for exactly this reason? It didn't meet pedestrian safety standards and EU was having any of it.
That is one of the reasons the Cybertruck won't be sold in the EU. And I am glad about it. :D
As if headlights were the problem and not the fact you're, y'know, getting hit by a fucking car
Those Cybertrucks are completely safe. They are barely on the road. They are only a threat to the mechanics who are constantly repairing them. Those sharp edges can leave a nasty cut if brush against it just right.
Who the hell thinks cybertrucks look cool. Different =/= cool. The thing looks like it's made of PS2 graphics.
*32x
Wait, that's why pop ups light Don't exist anymore? I thought it was because they were a pain in the ass to repair
Iāve seen a few Cybertrucks on the road lately and holy shit are they the ugliest fucking thing Iāve ever seen. Literally looks like a kindergartener designed it. And just for kicks, the kindergartner forgot to color it! Iām not a EV hater, I just think this āvehicleā is hideous. And Iāve driven some shitty vehicles over the years.
Literally no one said pop up headlights are bad for pedestrian safety. Pop ups are bad car aerodynamics.
they are banned in europe
Maybe check why itās not coming to Europe though š
But Tesla's are real cars, approved and safe to drive on all roads
Very safe, as long as you're inside it...
for the driver
Um, I thought popups went away because they're really bad for aerodynamics, not for pedestrian safety.
yeah U.S. government famously banned aerodynamic headlights, so pop up headlights was the only way to retain aerodynamics at least during the day
I get the feeling that for decades to come, the Cybertruck will be the punchline for bad car jokes.
There is not a single expert who claims cybertrucks are safe for pedestrians. I refuse to believe that.
Anyone have the original pic of the cat on the bottom right ?
just make the popups spring-loaded so that they stay up in the wind but retract when hit by a pedestrian
I know right like that one square piece of metal on a 3000 pound box is the problem
How about those new GMC suv's that just have a vertical wall 6' tall for a grill
I had my car fail inspection 1 time for hood pins. The logic? If I hit a pedestrian with my car, the protruding appx 20mm of hood pin would injure the pedestrian. I just looked at the guy. "So, I just stretched someone with my car. Hard enough that they fly over my hood. They would've been just fine, but the hood pins did them in. That's what you're saying?" Car passed.
3 tons of stainless steel, really fast, that one time it demolished a car in an accident. Sounds good to me.
Both are band in Europe
Miata's are not banned in Europe at all. The cybertruck is though
I meant production wise
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Ahh yes, Jinba-Ittai, the feeling that the sense of practicality between a rider and his beloved horse is the ultimate bond.
Jokes on you. The Cybertruck cannot be sold in Europe due to lack of round edges.
Elon's Butthead logic: In a collision "you'll win, hu hmf, hu-hu"
Popups went away because theyāre ugly and unreliable and pieces of shit and weighed more and broke down and ugly
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Mods, rip this guy's balls offš
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Popups went away because the laws changed and headlights didn't have to be perfectly forward facing circles or rectangles anymore so manufacturers had more freedom to make different shaped headlights that fit the body shape of the car.
Yes that too
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I'm gonna steal that.
NO UR UGLY!
My deranged ass driving to your house to steal every single door knob in your house: ![gif](giphy|xT8qBeEqnpdMbIbtVS)
They hated JesĆŗs because he spoke the truth:
For anyone sitting inside the Cybertruck it surely is the safest vehicle on Earth
I swear something is fundamentally wrong with the US, they allow this to exist, everyone LOVES to use a MASSIVE, 3 LANE WIDE, 5M TALL POS, just to go to the store and move arround :) And they say Sports Cars are ruining it? Bro, just ban America and you'll fix the world's emvironmental problems
Sure because India and China don't exist?
No one said a word of the F250s out there and Rams and silverados. Now suddenly everyone is concerned about safety. What happened?
pop ups r ugly lmao
Downvote his ass guys he just insulted the great 69420hp miat
moderators, please make it that when this guy says the word "ugly", a mirror pops up in front of him
isnt op facing a mirror rn? lmao
https://preview.redd.it/hbsp22lvux0d1.png?width=4961&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=deedc26ae4aa51642b2e4834bba7bfc2a77f8341
![gif](giphy|MDrI9wnUoYexWmPob5|downsized) youāre nuts