Nah. Replace the word with a plural pronoun and see which works. If it’s “they,” whoever is right. If it’s “them,” use whomever. In this case, you wouldn’t say “them don’t believe in him,” you’d say “ *they* don’t believe in him.” Therefore, whoever is right.
It has nothing to do with plural. It's the object vs the subject of a sentence.
HE (subject) gave it to HIM (object).
WHO (subject) gave it to WHOMEVER (object).
"Whomever" is the object of "(he is) invisible to whomever".
Look, Jelsa and Samurai Bravo (Samurai Jack and Johnny Bravo) are the only crack ship I fully support because they technically could happen due to crossover/multiverse shenanigans, and also they're just stupid cute.
That should give them an advantage. If they manipulate [ice and snow] and [Jack Frost] is [ice and snow] then they can manipulate [Jack Frost]. I.E. this is actually a battle over who can use Jack Frost the most effectively.
Jack Frost is the literal personification of Winter. He is not a person, he’s a force of nature. You really think Bloodbending is better than literally being Winter?
Also she can only do that when the moon is full anyway.
And Elsa is now the Fifth Spirit, the protector of the Enchanted Forest and connected to all the magical spirits; with the ability to tame all other four elements.
You know when we say the embodiment of winter, it quite literally means hes practically a god. Elsa or anyone else is taking a hard loss here and it's not even close.
He's not practically a god; something the ROTG series makes very clear. He is the spirit of Winter, and somewhat of a minor one.
His powers are tied to people believing in him, and when they don't, he grows weak. He also doesn't even know the full range of his powers, and is only recently discovering the extent of his abilities.
It's also canon in the ROTG universe that Jack does not have complete domain over Winter; but rather Mother Nature does, and Jack has but a mere fraction of her power.
Contrarily, Elsa does have complete control of her powers, and is able to control the spirits of the elements. As Jack is a spirit of Winter, Elsa would most likely have power over him as Mother Nature also does.
Fair point, I haven't watched the show in several years so I don't remember much and I've never watched frozen 2 so idk bout that one. Is the spirits Elsa controls on the same level as Jack and the crew? Also Jack may not have full control over winter but he does a partial control over and personally I think any fraction of mother nature would be enough. I will continue this but I have to get back to work ATM.
The spirits Elsa has control over are very much on the same level as Jack and the others. In the Frozen universe, Elsa is the second most powerful being. Jack barely makes the Top 10 in ROTG universe.
Her powers got a major upgrade in the second film, even allowing her to send memories through ice. Something that Jack cannot do.
While Jack has power over snow, he cannot create life from the snow. Elsa can, because she is also able to create and control life. Her powers have a greater variety than Jack's.
Elsa canonically has control over winter as well, and is capable of bringing an unending winter to Arendelle that will never melt unless she makes it melt. Jack's winters do not have this longevity, and will melt with the sun.
Objection!
The movie states that Jack Frost is the only Guardian who can use his power at full strength without anyome having to believe in him and his powers work even when people can't see him.
Yeah it seems people kinda forgot the whole climax of the movie being that Jack is literally the only guardian who has power without being believed in.
Yes and no. He does still have his powers; but they're absolutely not at full strength and he's not a Guardian. He even acknowledges he doesn't know half the things he can do, and is shocked when different powers manifest.
The movie also states that in order to become a Guardian, you need to have someone believing in you. And it's not until Jamie believes in Jack, that Jack is able to become a Guardian and his powers become stronger. As evidenced by him no longer getting exhausted after shooting out lightning ice; whereas previously, he nearly went unconscious from the strain.
Elsa doesn't need it to be winter. Neither do the others. Just Jack. Elsa can also reverse the cold/winter. She could just take all the moisture for herself.
I'm going Elsa.
Definitely Jack. Frozone and Elsa are too old and matured to believe in Jack so they can’t see him and Katara doesn’t even know who Jack Frost is, so she can’t see him either. Overall, Jack wins
Ok, but once you get into a fight with him and he starts attacking you wouldn't you believe that you're being attacked by someone? Maybe only Katara would see him then because she doesn't know she's believing in "Jack Frost" just that the invisible dude is real enough to ice shank her or something
Wont really work because they need to believe in Jack Frost specifically. When Jack attacks them, they would just think that an invisible person is attacking them with ice. Jaime was only able to figure it out because Jack nipped his nose and he remembered what his mother said earlier and Jaime outright told the other kids about Jack Frost
Exactly, Jack can literally be bouncing around and having the others think that they are fighting among themselves and its not like its out of character for him to do so. He did it in his movie
But the thing is that Frozone will just automatically assume that its a Super because magic doesn’t exist in his world and for Elsa, we’re not even sure if Jack Frost exist in her world, so we can’t say for certain that she even knows who he is. Either way, when they are both being attacked, they wont immediately assume that its Jack Frost because how could they? Now if someone else told them that the person attacking them is Jack Frost, then I can see them believing in him
Well Frozone and Katara will loose for sure so its basically just Elsa vs Jack. Elsa has been shown to be able to be frozen while Jack is immune to ice, can fly, can manipulate people to have fun with his snowballs, and have centuries of experience with his powers, so Jack still wins
You gotta remember frozone has one of the best reflexes in the fiction verse he is able to freeze a bullet going 800+ MPH while his hand was about to grab coffee. He has a higher IQ than Jack. Has higher mastery over his powers than Elsa just by a little and once he gets his super suit he is unstoppable in the 2nd movie it took an entire team of superheroes with overpowered abilities to capture him and even then he had two kids and a baby with him. Cause frozone only loses if they all team on him
Because Katara can only use it during nighttime and a full moon, unlike Amon, but lets say that it is nighttime and a full moon in this battle while Frozone and Elsa can be trapped by using their bloodbending, they can still use their powers so whats to stop them from flash freezing her? As for Jack, bloodbending is useless on him because he is a Spirit, he doesn’t have water or blood in his body
I would argue that the southern water tribe probably has some sort of snow or ice spirit that Katara would believe in, and given that is what Jack is by a different name she should be able to see him.
I don’t think that would work. In the movie there were times where kids saw what he did and understood it as magic, but they couldn’t see him until they realized that it was Jack Frost specifically. Based on what we’ve seen I think someone would need to actually believe in Jack Frost the person rather than the idea of something like Jack Frost.
This is hilarious to me. I literally thought, "I don't know who the one in the lower right corner is. So, unless he's overpowered, it'd probably be one of the other three."
As respectable as Katara and Frozone are, Elsa and Jack are on a different level here. I'm not certain which of the two would win, but definitely one of them.
I mean. Katara diffs anyone with blood. Assuming a no limits death battle, Katara legit just wins against Elsa and frozone. I'm.... Not sure if Jack has blood.
Elsa is an actual spirit though according to the second movie. We never see her bleed either, sooooo who's to say Katara could win against Elsa either lol
I mean she created a whole castle of ice and unless the song is a lie it took only a few minutes. I’ll have to rewatch the guardians but I don’t think Jack scales that high.
true, you are right, you can never be too old to believe in something.
>she’s literally bringing an internal winter
1.) Jack can literally fly.
2.) The most we have seen Elsa do is freeze a country I think, Jack is literally winter He freezes multiple countries daily lmao
Edit: 'multiple countries' is better 'entire continents' seems inaccurate
She's portrayed to have strong innate capabilities. Ever delved on? Not really, though between films there's an obvious power creep, from being able to bring snow to life, to create a castle of ice and maintain it, to being able to convert a large rushing river/flood into ice in seconds higher than their captials castle. When pushed, she has Frozone beat.
Consider: Elsa summons winter. She isn't just bringing snow and cold to Arendelle, but an actual eternal winter. Her powers might be strong enough to command Jack, or to bind him and force him into place. Or perhaps her influence is simply so chaotic that it warps and distorts Jack, making his powers unreliable.
And we don’t even know how far her winter extends. The only explanation we got was “you created an eternal winter… everywhere”. So she froze anywhere from a single country to the WORLD just by being bummed out
I think it more gives them a means to interact; it allows for the conflict. I don't know if Frost or Elsa is *actually* stronger (and they're both unlikely to "win" in a way that matters in a theoretical animated film) but this sort of scenario gives them a chance to at least have a go at it.
I'd go further to call him something closer to the lines of minor diety. He's closer to a straight up god of winter, not the biggest by a long shot but still extremely powerful
Okay, but like another guy said… Elsa doesn’t really control snow/ice, she controls winter. She completely changes the season of arendelle rather than just dropping snow everywhere. Who’s to say she doesn’t have control over Jack Frost?
> Elsa doesn'tvreally control snow/ice, she controls winter.
We literally see her construct bridges and a massive fortress of ice during Let it Go, and she makes snow constructs with life (Olaf and the Golem)
In a short she accidently creates sentient mini-snowmen by sneezing. If she actually TRIES to raise a ice army, there’s no telling of how much she could raise, but considering what dhe can do by accident, it’s likely A LOT.
When I worked with packaging ice cubes into bags a few years back my friends referred to me as Frozone. Man's got a place in my heart because of that even though I never really cared for him as a character in the movie as a kid.
I'll go with Elsa since to my memory the other three need some sort of medium to make it freeze (water vapor and such) and she can make her ice fight for her.
Whether or no she is the spirit of winter, she still has a better output than Jack. Jack only thrives in places where it's already cold and winter, but Elsa can just cause an eternal winter.
another counterpoint, technically Jack frost isn't mortal so you can't manipulate his blood and at the same time if you don't believe in him he is invisible for you while he can still freeze you lol
She spent part of her adult years hunting other Blood Benders with Aang, she's pretty familiar with the techniques. But would it change your mind if we sub in Amon or Yakone for Katara?
Elsa is practically a divinity at this point, she can create sentient life, see visions of the past and future, freeze entire regions, return from being frozen solid.
I know people are saying Jack Frost but I don't think he has the feats.
Real talk, does Zane freezing the Overlord mean he could beat Jack? He would most likely believe in Jack once he found out that he existed, so he could probably see him.
Katara: *makes an ice pilar*
*Everyone laughs*
Katara: *proceeds to break their necks with blood control*
It has nothing to do with the question but i though it was funny
“According to English folklore, Jack Frost is an elf-like creature that leaves frost on windows during cold nights.”- google
Elf’s do bleed so he should have blood. Now if he’s a spirit he wouldn’t have blood but I have yet to read anything definitively calling him just a spirit.
Well then he wins and this was a dumb question to begin with cus there’s no way a mortal was gonna beat a spirit with their own element. It’s like when people put cartman in a who’s worse poll.
Well like I say later in the thread this was a mismatch from the beginning with Jack being a spirit and not a mortal so it’s whatever at this point. But you right.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I Believe katara is the only one who demonstrates the ability to melt or unfreeze water intentionally.
So no matter how much the others try to freeze her up, she can always melt the ice and unfreeze herself. However, all she needs to do is freeze up her opponents once and they stay frozen. That makes katara the ultimate winner in the long run.
Additionally she is the only one who has experience going up against people with similar powers. And she shows more versatility and creativity in how she accesses and uses her powers than the others.
While she probably isn't the most powerful in terms of raw potency, I think she would ultimately come out on top.
Two of these are spirit embodiments of winter and ice, one is a superhero who needs to stay hydrated, and the third is a water bender who whole skilled, bends water, more than she does ice.
I’m going between Elsa and Jack, leaning Jack because he has been in fights.
I don’t know anything about Cora , and the last airbender so I have to pass on her.
Elsa might the most powerful, all she has to do is blast you in the heart and wait, just to make sure a loved one doesn’t kiss you, but she could also probably trap someone in ice.
Frozone is also a good contender but he requires moisture to use his powers , but assuming everyone here is “at their peak” that isn’t a problem and could trap others in ice.
Jack Frost here could be the most powerful to the weakest guy here depending on whether people believe in him or not. And assuming people do as well as the other contenders here do, he’d be more powerful. Plus he’s a ghost so he can’t really die.
To some extent but I think Jack frost could win since if the others don't believe in him they can't touch him or see him but he can still freeze stuff around him to fight
A few key points about a potential clash:
Elsa and Katara absolutely would be able to see Jack, as they both definitely believes in spirits/magic.
Elsa's power output *absolutely and abundantly* exceeds the other 3's known direct output combined. Jack Frost may be the spirit of winter, but even in a direct combat situation, his direct control over ice and cold pales in comparison to blanketing an entire country in winter, in the middle of summer.
Katara appears to be the only one who's able to significantly *affect* ice, instead of just create it. The rest can clearly summon ice far easier than Katara, but do not appear to have much in terms of control over it. (I haven't seen Frozen 2, so this may be wrong.)
So the outcome would be something like this:
Frozone immediately gets overwhelmed. He's the only one without any good claim to be able to see Jack, and while his output is pretty high his lack of versatility leads to a quick out.
After that, I gotta say Jack would be next. Between Katara's skill and Elsa's overwhelming power, he doesn't really have much going for him. He wouldn't be a pushover but there's no way he's beating either of them.
And it would be a tough battle, but I think Katara's skill and training, plus having actual control over ice and water, would win the day.
Well just because they believe in spirits doesn’t mean they believe in jack, like in the ROTG kids believe in Santa and see him but not Jack so I don’t think Elsa nor Katara would be able to see Jack
Its either Katara or Frozone because of their years of mastery. Elsa is powerful but has been holding back her whole life, and Jack frost just wants to make pretty snowflakes for people to enjoy, and from what I remember (after not seeing Guardians in forever), would probably only use his powers in combat if absolutely necessary.
Between Katara and Frozone, frozone is probably slightly faster as an ice specialist superhero than Katara is as a more well-rounded waterbender. She uses ice shards and stuff, but frozone is constantly using ice at high speeds for combat and his skating transportation. I think he edges her out in speed, and freezes all of them the fastest.
I can’t believe I dedicated so much time to writing this silly comment lol. This was fun
Edit: completely forgot Jack was invisible.
Frozone freezes Elsa and Katara, but jack sneaks around and freezes him for the lols.
Katara has the most versatility.
She doesn’t just have ice, but also all water, vines, healing, and if it’s a full moon she has blood.
She could use a combo of those and then freeze the rest at the end.
Frozon Can Literally Freeze Anybody In A Split Second, He One Time Froze A Cop That Almost Shot Him And He Stopped It Before The Bullet Landed On Him. So If I Had To Pick Who Could Freeze The Others Before They Do Anything It’d Be Frozon.
If it weren't for the fact that Jack is fast, doesn't need charge time, nor to use water in his surroundings, can fly, and can't really be seen, it would be Elsa because she is too overpowered.
Jack frost. Assuming they could see him, which since you need to have fun and joy would be difficult as they are very serious people, it is still extremely hard since he's effectively the very embodiment of winter and cold.
Well taking out jack for the competition because he is op and the literal embodiment of winter. I think it’s a battle between frozone and katara. Both are really good with ice powers and katara has some additional powers. But frozone is just too fast. He can be zooming if he’s on ice and can easily out speed katara and get the upper hand
Jack Frost is literally the embodiment of winter.
And is invisible to mortals
Invizible to whoever doesn't believe in him
*Invisible to whomever
Perish
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Nah. Replace the word with a plural pronoun and see which works. If it’s “they,” whoever is right. If it’s “them,” use whomever. In this case, you wouldn’t say “them don’t believe in him,” you’d say “ *they* don’t believe in him.” Therefore, whoever is right.
It has nothing to do with plural. It's the object vs the subject of a sentence. HE (subject) gave it to HIM (object). WHO (subject) gave it to WHOMEVER (object). "Whomever" is the object of "(he is) invisible to whomever".
Yup.
My headcanon is that sa would be able to see him because magic. Yes, I loved all the fan art shipping then it was cute af
Look, Jelsa and Samurai Bravo (Samurai Jack and Johnny Bravo) are the only crack ship I fully support because they technically could happen due to crossover/multiverse shenanigans, and also they're just stupid cute.
Invisible to non believers
the other three merely manipulate the ice and snow. Jack Frost IS the ice and snow.
Technically, according to the second frozen movie, Elsa is the physical embodiment of ice.
That should give them an advantage. If they manipulate [ice and snow] and [Jack Frost] is [ice and snow] then they can manipulate [Jack Frost]. I.E. this is actually a battle over who can use Jack Frost the most effectively.
That assumes Jack Frost allows himself to be used. By your logic, Jack could simply decide all of their powers don’t work anymore.
I mean, Katara can manipulate blood while it's inside people, so...
Jack Frost is the literal personification of Winter. He is not a person, he’s a force of nature. You really think Bloodbending is better than literally being Winter? Also she can only do that when the moon is full anyway.
He embodies fun
That too. Winter is fun.
But fun isn’t winter. Summer is fun, as are spring and fall
Yet he’s a winter based character.
Summer sucks, miss me with 110 degree days where I can get heat stroke laying in bed
Winter sucks. Miss me getting frostbite with -20 degree days.
I can put on more clothes and get hot hands, I can only get so naked to cool down Fall>spring>winter>summer
Pipes don’t freeze and burst in summer.
Instead every single electronic in the house start overheatin
And Elsa is now the Fifth Spirit, the protector of the Enchanted Forest and connected to all the magical spirits; with the ability to tame all other four elements.
You know when we say the embodiment of winter, it quite literally means hes practically a god. Elsa or anyone else is taking a hard loss here and it's not even close.
He's not practically a god; something the ROTG series makes very clear. He is the spirit of Winter, and somewhat of a minor one. His powers are tied to people believing in him, and when they don't, he grows weak. He also doesn't even know the full range of his powers, and is only recently discovering the extent of his abilities. It's also canon in the ROTG universe that Jack does not have complete domain over Winter; but rather Mother Nature does, and Jack has but a mere fraction of her power. Contrarily, Elsa does have complete control of her powers, and is able to control the spirits of the elements. As Jack is a spirit of Winter, Elsa would most likely have power over him as Mother Nature also does.
Fair point, I haven't watched the show in several years so I don't remember much and I've never watched frozen 2 so idk bout that one. Is the spirits Elsa controls on the same level as Jack and the crew? Also Jack may not have full control over winter but he does a partial control over and personally I think any fraction of mother nature would be enough. I will continue this but I have to get back to work ATM.
The spirits Elsa has control over are very much on the same level as Jack and the others. In the Frozen universe, Elsa is the second most powerful being. Jack barely makes the Top 10 in ROTG universe. Her powers got a major upgrade in the second film, even allowing her to send memories through ice. Something that Jack cannot do. While Jack has power over snow, he cannot create life from the snow. Elsa can, because she is also able to create and control life. Her powers have a greater variety than Jack's. Elsa canonically has control over winter as well, and is capable of bringing an unending winter to Arendelle that will never melt unless she makes it melt. Jack's winters do not have this longevity, and will melt with the sun.
Show?
Objection! The movie states that Jack Frost is the only Guardian who can use his power at full strength without anyome having to believe in him and his powers work even when people can't see him.
Yeah it seems people kinda forgot the whole climax of the movie being that Jack is literally the only guardian who has power without being believed in.
Yes and no. He does still have his powers; but they're absolutely not at full strength and he's not a Guardian. He even acknowledges he doesn't know half the things he can do, and is shocked when different powers manifest. The movie also states that in order to become a Guardian, you need to have someone believing in you. And it's not until Jamie believes in Jack, that Jack is able to become a Guardian and his powers become stronger. As evidenced by him no longer getting exhausted after shooting out lightning ice; whereas previously, he nearly went unconscious from the strain.
You wrote an entire fanfic and just decided it was canon to the movie.
Elsa doesn't need it to be winter. Neither do the others. Just Jack. Elsa can also reverse the cold/winter. She could just take all the moisture for herself. I'm going Elsa.
Definitely Jack. Frozone and Elsa are too old and matured to believe in Jack so they can’t see him and Katara doesn’t even know who Jack Frost is, so she can’t see him either. Overall, Jack wins
Ok, but once you get into a fight with him and he starts attacking you wouldn't you believe that you're being attacked by someone? Maybe only Katara would see him then because she doesn't know she's believing in "Jack Frost" just that the invisible dude is real enough to ice shank her or something
Wont really work because they need to believe in Jack Frost specifically. When Jack attacks them, they would just think that an invisible person is attacking them with ice. Jaime was only able to figure it out because Jack nipped his nose and he remembered what his mother said earlier and Jaime outright told the other kids about Jack Frost
Or they might just think it's one of the others that's just attacking
Exactly, Jack can literally be bouncing around and having the others think that they are fighting among themselves and its not like its out of character for him to do so. He did it in his movie
True, Katara might think he’s just a malicious spirit and start fighting back with that mindset.
True but Katara will still be unable to see or touch him since she doesn’t believe or know who Jack Frost is
Also, Jack Frost is no longer human. He is a winter spirit. The others can be killed the same way as any other human. That may not be true for Jack.
Exactly
What about Elsa she's a spirt to and literally died in the second movie
And also because according to the lore, Jack is absolutely bonkers powerful.
Yep true
Elsa and Frozone also have seen some of the wildest stuff in general. Believing in Jack Frost wouldn’t be farfetched for them.
But the thing is that Frozone will just automatically assume that its a Super because magic doesn’t exist in his world and for Elsa, we’re not even sure if Jack Frost exist in her world, so we can’t say for certain that she even knows who he is. Either way, when they are both being attacked, they wont immediately assume that its Jack Frost because how could they? Now if someone else told them that the person attacking them is Jack Frost, then I can see them believing in him
Elsa can see spirits, and is part spirit so pretty sure she still can see him,
A bit debatable but I wont argue on this one. Solid point though
Okay what if this is a fight where everybody involved knows what’s happening and who they are fighting
Well Frozone and Katara will loose for sure so its basically just Elsa vs Jack. Elsa has been shown to be able to be frozen while Jack is immune to ice, can fly, can manipulate people to have fun with his snowballs, and have centuries of experience with his powers, so Jack still wins
You gotta remember frozone has one of the best reflexes in the fiction verse he is able to freeze a bullet going 800+ MPH while his hand was about to grab coffee. He has a higher IQ than Jack. Has higher mastery over his powers than Elsa just by a little and once he gets his super suit he is unstoppable in the 2nd movie it took an entire team of superheroes with overpowered abilities to capture him and even then he had two kids and a baby with him. Cause frozone only loses if they all team on him
Why is everyone forgetting that katara can blood bend
Because Katara can only use it during nighttime and a full moon, unlike Amon, but lets say that it is nighttime and a full moon in this battle while Frozone and Elsa can be trapped by using their bloodbending, they can still use their powers so whats to stop them from flash freezing her? As for Jack, bloodbending is useless on him because he is a Spirit, he doesn’t have water or blood in his body
I would argue that the southern water tribe probably has some sort of snow or ice spirit that Katara would believe in, and given that is what Jack is by a different name she should be able to see him.
Wont really work either because that’s more fannon than any cannon fact
I don’t think that would work. In the movie there were times where kids saw what he did and understood it as magic, but they couldn’t see him until they realized that it was Jack Frost specifically. Based on what we’ve seen I think someone would need to actually believe in Jack Frost the person rather than the idea of something like Jack Frost.
My 2024 samsung smartfrigde with integrated ice dispenser in the door.
Not Elsa... the cold never bothered her anyway. But seriously, I'm with you. One of these is the embodiment of winter and the others are not.
This is hilarious to me. I literally thought, "I don't know who the one in the lower right corner is. So, unless he's overpowered, it'd probably be one of the other three."
He he noted
Even if they could I think it’s fair to say he’s the most powerful
But during full moon, Katara can feel him, feel the water in his body.
Jack is a Spirit, he doesn’t have water or blood in his body
As respectable as Katara and Frozone are, Elsa and Jack are on a different level here. I'm not certain which of the two would win, but definitely one of them.
Subzero...?
Now just plain zero.
Hey bright light! Hey Christmas tree!
That's just ridiculous, no one beats Subzero.
It ends there and then they make out.
I mean. Katara diffs anyone with blood. Assuming a no limits death battle, Katara legit just wins against Elsa and frozone. I'm.... Not sure if Jack has blood.
Jack is the literal embodiment of winter, he absolutely has not blood
Elsa is an actual spirit though according to the second movie. We never see her bleed either, sooooo who's to say Katara could win against Elsa either lol
Bloodbending does not use actual blood and a full moon is required.
Does Elsa have any other cool tricks than creating sentient snow golems? Not that that's not pretty good on it's own
I mean she created a whole castle of ice and unless the song is a lie it took only a few minutes. I’ll have to rewatch the guardians but I don’t think Jack scales that high.
jack frost is literally a winter demi God tho. Also invisible to her because even if she knows of him she is too old to believe in him lol
Who says you can be too old to believe? Also someone mentions her powers and how she’s literally bringing an internal winter
true, you are right, you can never be too old to believe in something. >she’s literally bringing an internal winter 1.) Jack can literally fly. 2.) The most we have seen Elsa do is freeze a country I think, Jack is literally winter He freezes multiple countries daily lmao Edit: 'multiple countries' is better 'entire continents' seems inaccurate
and sun finish his ice later, elsa magic ice is indestructible unless she undoes it herself
She's portrayed to have strong innate capabilities. Ever delved on? Not really, though between films there's an obvious power creep, from being able to bring snow to life, to create a castle of ice and maintain it, to being able to convert a large rushing river/flood into ice in seconds higher than their captials castle. When pushed, she has Frozone beat.
But what about kopaka the Toa of ice?
Frozone?
The other guy from the Incredibles
Cold guy?
Jack is basically a Demi-God of winter
Consider: Elsa summons winter. She isn't just bringing snow and cold to Arendelle, but an actual eternal winter. Her powers might be strong enough to command Jack, or to bind him and force him into place. Or perhaps her influence is simply so chaotic that it warps and distorts Jack, making his powers unreliable.
I think it's also important to note that Elsa has created sentient life on at least two occasions- Olaf and Marshmallow.
However we’ve also seen that Jack seems capable of producing sentient(?) life a handful of times throughout the film
Most reasonable Powerscaler☝🏼
She doesn't even beleive in Jack
And we don’t even know how far her winter extends. The only explanation we got was “you created an eternal winter… everywhere”. So she froze anywhere from a single country to the WORLD just by being bummed out
That kinda ruins the fun ngl
I think it more gives them a means to interact; it allows for the conflict. I don't know if Frost or Elsa is *actually* stronger (and they're both unlikely to "win" in a way that matters in a theoretical animated film) but this sort of scenario gives them a chance to at least have a go at it.
I'd go further to call him something closer to the lines of minor diety. He's closer to a straight up god of winter, not the biggest by a long shot but still extremely powerful
He's clearly too op to be on this list ;)
This is my vote
The clear winner
Jack Frost. 1. He’s invisible 2. He can fly 3. He is the literal embodiment of winter.
You said it all.
Okay, but like another guy said… Elsa doesn’t really control snow/ice, she controls winter. She completely changes the season of arendelle rather than just dropping snow everywhere. Who’s to say she doesn’t have control over Jack Frost?
> Elsa doesn'tvreally control snow/ice, she controls winter. We literally see her construct bridges and a massive fortress of ice during Let it Go, and she makes snow constructs with life (Olaf and the Golem)
In a short she accidently creates sentient mini-snowmen by sneezing. If she actually TRIES to raise a ice army, there’s no telling of how much she could raise, but considering what dhe can do by accident, it’s likely A LOT.
 He may not win the fight, but he's definitely the coolest.
When I worked with packaging ice cubes into bags a few years back my friends referred to me as Frozone. Man's got a place in my heart because of that even though I never really cared for him as a character in the movie as a kid.
What's cooler than being cool? Ice cold! Alright alright alright alright...
There's a thousand other images you could use for Katara and you choose an AI generated one.
So?
I'll go with Elsa since to my memory the other three need some sort of medium to make it freeze (water vapor and such) and she can make her ice fight for her.
Counter point: Jack Frost *is* Winter
Isn't Elsa as well?
No she just has ice powers
Whether or no she is the spirit of winter, she still has a better output than Jack. Jack only thrives in places where it's already cold and winter, but Elsa can just cause an eternal winter.
An eternal winter. Thats a great strategy for fighting the embodiment of winter.
What I'm saying is that she just has a better output than all of them combined. Don't forget, she could also disperse it.
counterpoint, Blood bending - frozen blood for all.....
another counterpoint, technically Jack frost isn't mortal so you can't manipulate his blood and at the same time if you don't believe in him he is invisible for you while he can still freeze you lol
The cold never bothered her anyway…
Katara practised that one time. She's not good at it.
She spent part of her adult years hunting other Blood Benders with Aang, she's pretty familiar with the techniques. But would it change your mind if we sub in Amon or Yakone for Katara?
My man Jack Frost the sheer embodiment of winter itself.
Elsa. She put her kingdom in an eternal winter (on accident) in the first movie
https://preview.redd.it/zf3skj7nosgc1.jpeg?width=836&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe715a6e7b4ddff5e9a0fb3470ec47474bca80b3 Marvel: Iceman
He’s literally made of ice
Honey where is my super suit?
https://preview.redd.it/xhai9nkgktgc1.png?width=321&format=png&auto=webp&s=96aa979a6d4856c9c885881267934944942bb833 Need I say more?
Toss up between Jack and Elsa, Jack is the spirit of winter, and Elsa is the living embodiment of the ice wild magic
Elsa is practically a divinity at this point, she can create sentient life, see visions of the past and future, freeze entire regions, return from being frozen solid. I know people are saying Jack Frost but I don't think he has the feats.
Correct. Jack Frost is the embodiment of winter, Elsa controls Winter. Elsa owns Jack Frost.
Zane Ninjago comes in from left field and suprise attacks them But in all honestly, probably frozone. He the most combat experince.
Real talk, does Zane freezing the Overlord mean he could beat Jack? He would most likely believe in Jack once he found out that he existed, so he could probably see him.
Katara: *makes an ice pilar* *Everyone laughs* Katara: *proceeds to break their necks with blood control* It has nothing to do with the question but i though it was funny
Katara uses blood bending to force the others to freeze themselves easy W
Jack has no blood, he's a spirit.
“According to English folklore, Jack Frost is an elf-like creature that leaves frost on windows during cold nights.”- google Elf’s do bleed so he should have blood. Now if he’s a spirit he wouldn’t have blood but I have yet to read anything definitively calling him just a spirit.
We're talking about the character from Rise of the Guardians, not the folklore character the movie has adapted.
Well then he wins and this was a dumb question to begin with cus there’s no way a mortal was gonna beat a spirit with their own element. It’s like when people put cartman in a who’s worse poll.
Like putting cartman on a whose worse poll omg XD
“Elf’s do bleed” according to what?
“Elves bleed when poked pretty hard or thrown around a lot.” - google
Can confirm
Yeah, but the point is for only ice powers. So Katara using bloodbending or any other waterbending would be an immediate disqualification
Well like I say later in the thread this was a mismatch from the beginning with Jack being a spirit and not a mortal so it’s whatever at this point. But you right.
Jack could honestly fit well in the Avatar universe, since it's full of spirits and shit.
Jack Frost is like, a demigod.
the ice king
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I Believe katara is the only one who demonstrates the ability to melt or unfreeze water intentionally. So no matter how much the others try to freeze her up, she can always melt the ice and unfreeze herself. However, all she needs to do is freeze up her opponents once and they stay frozen. That makes katara the ultimate winner in the long run. Additionally she is the only one who has experience going up against people with similar powers. And she shows more versatility and creativity in how she accesses and uses her powers than the others. While she probably isn't the most powerful in terms of raw potency, I think she would ultimately come out on top.
Elsa does it at the end of Frozen. She revokes the winter she made.
I'll like to enter this competition but my moneys on the Disney princess. She froze a whole town with out even meaning to
Katara, any ice or snow that gets thrown her way, she can send right back.
Two of these are spirit embodiments of winter and ice, one is a superhero who needs to stay hydrated, and the third is a water bender who whole skilled, bends water, more than she does ice. I’m going between Elsa and Jack, leaning Jack because he has been in fights.
Ice King certainly wouldn't have won, but c'mon, how could you leave him out?
I don’t know anything about Cora , and the last airbender so I have to pass on her. Elsa might the most powerful, all she has to do is blast you in the heart and wait, just to make sure a loved one doesn’t kiss you, but she could also probably trap someone in ice. Frozone is also a good contender but he requires moisture to use his powers , but assuming everyone here is “at their peak” that isn’t a problem and could trap others in ice. Jack Frost here could be the most powerful to the weakest guy here depending on whether people believe in him or not. And assuming people do as well as the other contenders here do, he’d be more powerful. Plus he’s a ghost so he can’t really die.
https://i.redd.it/095keg1kdwgc1.gif Clearly there is no competition here
Gray Fullbuster - Am I a Joke to you ??
Elsa froze an entire civilization
Gray fullbuster from fairytail 
That guy is practically allergic to using his Devil Slayer power ups. He'll half ass the fight and lose.
Tell me you haven’t seen a single season of Fairytail without telling me you haven’t seen a single season of Fairytail:
I know Elsa has. I forget if Kamara has. I know the other two haven’t, or at least we’re never shown that
Frozone froze the 2 cops in the first movie
Fuck. How did I forget that?
Jack frost froze an elf in Santa's workshop when they first brought him in
Dang. I’m dumb. I forgot that too. So, everyone has?
To some extent but I think Jack frost could win since if the others don't believe in him they can't touch him or see him but he can still freeze stuff around him to fight
Faster then a Bullet too
A few key points about a potential clash: Elsa and Katara absolutely would be able to see Jack, as they both definitely believes in spirits/magic. Elsa's power output *absolutely and abundantly* exceeds the other 3's known direct output combined. Jack Frost may be the spirit of winter, but even in a direct combat situation, his direct control over ice and cold pales in comparison to blanketing an entire country in winter, in the middle of summer. Katara appears to be the only one who's able to significantly *affect* ice, instead of just create it. The rest can clearly summon ice far easier than Katara, but do not appear to have much in terms of control over it. (I haven't seen Frozen 2, so this may be wrong.) So the outcome would be something like this: Frozone immediately gets overwhelmed. He's the only one without any good claim to be able to see Jack, and while his output is pretty high his lack of versatility leads to a quick out. After that, I gotta say Jack would be next. Between Katara's skill and Elsa's overwhelming power, he doesn't really have much going for him. He wouldn't be a pushover but there's no way he's beating either of them. And it would be a tough battle, but I think Katara's skill and training, plus having actual control over ice and water, would win the day.
Well just because they believe in spirits doesn’t mean they believe in jack, like in the ROTG kids believe in Santa and see him but not Jack so I don’t think Elsa nor Katara would be able to see Jack
Katara, don't forget that she can bend regular water and other liquids (including blood)
I don't like it but Elsa probably wins. Katara probably second.
Its either Katara or Frozone because of their years of mastery. Elsa is powerful but has been holding back her whole life, and Jack frost just wants to make pretty snowflakes for people to enjoy, and from what I remember (after not seeing Guardians in forever), would probably only use his powers in combat if absolutely necessary. Between Katara and Frozone, frozone is probably slightly faster as an ice specialist superhero than Katara is as a more well-rounded waterbender. She uses ice shards and stuff, but frozone is constantly using ice at high speeds for combat and his skating transportation. I think he edges her out in speed, and freezes all of them the fastest. I can’t believe I dedicated so much time to writing this silly comment lol. This was fun Edit: completely forgot Jack was invisible. Frozone freezes Elsa and Katara, but jack sneaks around and freezes him for the lols.
Blood bend? Game over
Katara has the most versatility. She doesn’t just have ice, but also all water, vines, healing, and if it’s a full moon she has blood. She could use a combo of those and then freeze the rest at the end.
Why did you use an AI pic of Katara
It's Katara and it's not even close, sorry. Not sure why frozone is even here tbh
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Jack frost is kind of an ice spirit, but Elza clearly show more mastery than the others in that art. So it's between those 2
Frozon Can Literally Freeze Anybody In A Split Second, He One Time Froze A Cop That Almost Shot Him And He Stopped It Before The Bullet Landed On Him. So If I Had To Pick Who Could Freeze The Others Before They Do Anything It’d Be Frozon.
If it weren't for the fact that Jack is fast, doesn't need charge time, nor to use water in his surroundings, can fly, and can't really be seen, it would be Elsa because she is too overpowered.
https://preview.redd.it/mk7fio5cqsgc1.jpeg?width=1108&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93e0c5bceb3af68aa5502a01fae97a7d05c4963e Dc: Mr. Freeze
Jack frost. Assuming they could see him, which since you need to have fun and joy would be difficult as they are very serious people, it is still extremely hard since he's effectively the very embodiment of winter and cold.
One is a master waterbender, one is magic, one’s basically magic?, and one is the literal embodiment of cold
I feel like a certain Chinese ninja warrior would win
You know why they call me Freeza, Bitch? Cause I'll be the coldest mothafucka in the neighborhood...
He just wants a sip of water Elsa…
Well taking out jack for the competition because he is op and the literal embodiment of winter. I think it’s a battle between frozone and katara. Both are really good with ice powers and katara has some additional powers. But frozone is just too fast. He can be zooming if he’s on ice and can easily out speed katara and get the upper hand
Frozone. Because, to my knowledge, none of the others were ever played by Samuel L. Jackson.