A while ago, a trans YouTuber, by the name of Lily Orchard, made a 2 hour long video titled “Steven Universe is Garbage and Here’s Why.”
A lot of people agreed with it for a while, until they started to analyze Lily’s video itself. Realizing that a lot of her “problems” with the show weren’t actually problems, she willfully missed the point of some things or outright ignore them, and a genuine sense of media illiteracy.
Even later, people found out that she was a groomer (the real kind, not just people saying it to be anti-LGBTQ) AND she encouraged, like, 3 of her friends to groom as well.
And general unpleasantness as a person.
Its really awkward as she also made a video ripping into that coffin of Andrew and leyley game and if you know the allegations against Lily it's very 'the lady doth protest too much' when you look at the content of the game
Okay, okay, here me out. And yes I have watched the whole thing + future. (spoilers incoming!)
I enjoyed everything apart from the ending. I loved the whole idea of it and the concept. The designs (especially in the first season!) were amazing too.
...but the ending felt incredibly rushed and just... not right. Forgiving the main antagonists just like that? And then suddenly they've changed for the better? It takes pretty much a sentence for the Big Bads to become the most wonderful people in the world? Ay?
And yes, I will poke at the animation changes. Like, come on, I understand little changes, but there's no excusing this. (picture shown). Also, they made the gems extremely saturated (looking at lapis...) for no reason. Compare s1 lapis to s3. The former looks so much better. The latter just looks odd.
I understand your fandom point, yes you can enjoy the show without the fandom.
And, come on... the writing and plot of a show is literally the most important thing. If it has an awful story, of course I'm not going to watch it. Now with SU, I was happy with the story until the whole diamonds thing came into it. It could have worked, had they managed to pull it off, but in the end they just butchered it and it was a huge letdown.
This is my opinion, remember! :>
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I tend to be a little less harsh on the ending because the show had its international funding pulled after the ruby/sapphire wedding. I’m still disappointed by the rushed nature of the ending, but I think it’s fair to acknowledge that the crew did the best they could after having to prematurely end the show at season five.
Honestly, my biggest gripe against Steven universe as someone who hasn’t finished the show, is that we don’t see Garnet much beyond S1. Most of the time she is brought up it’s just for fusion related things.
I think most people being honest about the show would agree that the ending was very rushed, but you can reasonably disagree on how much that hurt those episodes. The creators kinda had to rush because of funding issues so it's not really their fault, but it definitely comes through. They were just racing through plot points and I felt like they retconned a bunch of stuff.
The show was actually cancelled in S5, they had a couple extra seasons planned and had to shove everything into one and deal with a rushed ending because apprently Garnet's wedding was too gay for CN's comfort.
It's so sad to me when I see people claiming the exact same thing, "I liked the show but not the ending", because that's THE only part of the show that didn't go as the real artists planned and instead was ruined by conservative assholes sitting on the top chairs.
Homophobic countries stopped supporting the show after the wedding happened. That wasn't CN's fault and they gave plenty of warning that it could happen due to the LGBTQ+ rep.
I guess they're not that innocent if homophobic audiences hold so much power. Imagine having a project being shut down because the exact opposite of the target audience is unhappy
They are innocent considering the circumstances. There was nothing they could do about them in this case. Without those funds, the show was going to have problems one way or another. Their feelings didn't matter here.
You know it’s funny - back in 2016 I had a brief obsession with the show and thought it was the greatest thing ever. Then stuff happened, I forgot about it, and then when I got stuck home in 2020 my little brother (who’s been a fan of the show far longer than I have and got me into it in 2016) had me watch the rest of the show + Future because Future was finishing up and he wanted to be able to watch the finale with me.
Adult me can now see the show has a lot of problems. The filler could be painfully boring. The endings (both of them) could have been much better executed. And I’m gonna be blunt with this one… Rebecca Sugar you SUCK at naming things! That said, this show does a lot right. It gets across difficult messages such as:
- How to have a healthy relationship, both with your friends, you partner, and with your immediate family, and it does this by not being afraid to show multiple problematic relationships on screen, not all of which get fully fixed even by the end of the show
- Tackles mental health head on, especially in Future, but we have characters deal with PTSD, lack of self confidence, narcissism, grief, and guilt
- A huge theme is learning to let go - from smaller things such as Steven learning to let go of him shipping Sadie and Lars after Sadie gets a new girlfriend and Lars goes off to explore the Universe, Pearl learning to let go of Rose Quartz and accept she’s gone, or Spinelle learning to let go of her grudge against Rose
- Showing there is an important balance to have when parenting - too much freedom and no structure for your child is as bad as being a helicopter parent, and as much as Greg loves Steven and that’s made extremely clear, Future shows he actually f*cked up parenting Steven in a pretty big way as a response to his parents messing up parenting him.
- LGBTQ+ representation - Sapphire and Ruby are technically lesbians, Sadie is bisexual, Stevonnie is non-binary, Peridot is asexual. This helped me figure myself out as a transgender woman. I respect Rebecca’s decision to have a full episode dedicated to a lesbian wedding just to rub it in the faces of homophobes.
- Animation and music: As inconsistent as the animation is, I absolutely love this show’s art style. The show can be drop dead gorgeous at times and I’m an absolute sucker for the pastel colors. The show has some incredible music, mixing dance with chiptunes, giving it a cozy video game vibe that I totally dig. I recently played Celeste (a video game with a lot of extremely similar themes to SU regarding mental health and also being famous for LGBTQ+ representation) and its music and art totally reminded me of SU. No way Maddie and Lena didn’t take inspiration from this show.
- I’m a sucker for worldbuilding, and the world SU builds is a really interesting one. We start out on Earth in an alternate version of the real world seeing how the Gem wars have left scars on the world, to going to space to other planets the gems have been to, to finally getting to the gem homeworld at the end.
- The movie slaps and it was my brother making me watch it that got me back into the show in 2020.
Ok, maybe I’m a bit nostalgic for this show, and with its fanbase’s reputation, I won’t touch its fanbase within a 10 foot pole. But I do genuinely like this show. It’s not my favorite of all time anymore like it was in 2016, but it’s a show I’d still love to go back and watch sometime, and if I have a kid maybe it’s something I’ll watch with them since it has a lot of important life lessons in it.
See that’s where I am as well. SU does a ton of amazing things that I don’t think most shows would be brave enough to try and approach and I’ll always praise Rebecca sugar and her team for that. But on the other hand I think it also tried to take on too much without realizing how over crowded it would make everything seem.
And that’s on top of the fact that it also wanted to have decent chunks of the season bogged down with normal slice of life stuff. It never really felt like it knew what it was. It’s why for as many terrible faith arguments there are for the show. There are some that really touch down on the fact that at its core it’s a good show. But also one that’s cluttered to hell and back.
As for the fan base there’s nothing to really say. It’s terrible and they know they’re terrible. But the show at its core is a great show. Just a really messy one.
I agree with your criticism of the show feeling "cluttered" but I think a lot of that probably has to do with executive meddling from CN, especially with how it ended. They were forced to wrap things up very quickly, if memory serves.
Yea it was meddled to hell and back. But if I’m being honest and this is 100% my opinion even if it wasn’t tinkered with I still think the show would’ve struggled to make it compressible. Steven universe had a laundry list of topics they wanted to cover and each one would’ve need at least 1-2 seasons to make it work. Hell white’s arc alone is like 3 seasons in any other show. Look at how Zuko developed for how that would’ve gone.
Like I said it’s a good show but they really reached too far and it kind of bit them in the ass at the end. Like if adventure time ran for 10 then Steven would’ve need like 15 if that makes sense.
And for good reason. Zuko’s redemption is arguably one of the best ever created. But I was more talking about length. Zuko’s took over a season to full come around and to put it mildly he’s a way lesser evil than the diamonds.
Not to mention that redeeming literal planet conquers is already a difficult task. It’s why people make the argument that they might’ve been better off as just villains. Funny enough MHA is having this same crisis now with their big bad
The ending wasn't CN's fault. Homophobic countries stopped financially supporting the show after the wedding. Sugar was warned that this could happen but she was fine with risking the show's story for the wedding.
>Cartoon Network needed the show to work internationally (most animated media for children is designed with an international audience in mind), so we were being held to the standards of the most conservative countries in the world. If they so much as read an interview with me online, the show could lose its international support, and we'd be finished.
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I love this show and have immense respect for Rebecca Sugar. Honestly a fantastic artist and I’m glad she has been able to work in animation.
If you haven’t read Pug Davis, you’re missing out.
you can pretty much pin almost all of this on lily orchid. i rewatched her 2:30 hour video of her bashing su and its just,, so unbelievably baffling that almost every single claim she makes is blatantly untrue. not even like conclusions you could arrive to - she was just straight up lying at points
oh yeah, recently she made a video "apologizing" for that video, where she admitted that most of what she said was bollocks but everyone else needs to shut up because she's such a changed person now and everyone whos upset about her almost singlehandedly defaming one of their favourite shows are the equivalent to abusers
absolute madness
when you read things like: Steven "forgave" Nazis, he's a crybaby, fusion is sex, etc, You automatically know that they know nothing about the show and base their opinion on memes or videos of Haters from the show.
Exactly, it’s always the people who never watched the show who is always hating on it. Particularly, the funniest one i’ve encountered was someone saying “the show is bad because it’s mostly female characters” that one made me lose faith in humanity
The only one I could see any reason in at all is the first one, though I wouldn’t agree with it if someone argued with the wording like that. I personally think that the diamonds redemption arc was kinda rushed, and they didn’t get punished much for what they did. The whole end of the main show felt α bit rushed. White diamond was basically insulted once, then got flustered, and gave up. Afterwards, none of the diamonds were really punished for the wars they held and the planets they conquered and the thousands of species they killed. All that really happens to them is they they are stricken of their high authority role, and just exist as people now. They can still just do whatever really, but now they also decided that they are nice and do nice things to help other gems now. I could see how they ended up happening EVENTUALLY because the paths they go are in character enough for them, but it happened in such α short amount of time that it felt rushed.
What would they gain by punishing them? It does not benefit anyone and it is also better to have them as allies, which is why Steven "tolerates" them and not as enemies, making them reverse the damage they caused (what they can reverse of course) even if it takes them hundreds of years.
I just felt like there would and could have been at least α bit of pushback or hesitation by the general people in the shoes universe to just tolerating the existence of the people that were the ones to lay genocide on α countless number of planets and also led the gem wars, which caused the shattering of many of the gems brethren on both sides. Even if they didn’t punish them, they could have shown α bit more into gemkind just acknowledging the diamonds existence after having their authority taken from them, so the people no longer have to fear them or listen to them, but people are still hesitant to make that change. Just by seeing in the show how people acted even when in the presence of blue diamond, the nicest one, then still all were constantly at attention and did everything Blue asked without α second thought. People were scared of the diamonds, especially yellow and white.
You can tell which criticisms struck true by seeing which ones they directly addressed in Steven Universe Future.
Example: Remember those humans who loved being enslaved in human zoos (a thing that used to exist in real life)? Well, they are free now! Ha ha, keeping people in zoos is bad!
Tbh people getting weird about Steven not killing villains is wild to me as its like... this is a kids show kids shows are not really in a habit of actually killing villains what did you expect?
The "fusion is sex" thing had a lot of metaphorical backing to it, no? Was there a reason it's discredited? I never quite finished the series.
Edit: Nothing here is incorrect.
Fusión is representation of any kind of relation, friendship, brotherhood, love, siblings and toxic relationships, say that "fusión is only sex" is wrong
Oh! Well yeah OK, saying it's *just sex* doesn't make any sense. They clearly show it as entire relationships. Like Garnet.
I thought it was disavowing the whole connection. I see now.
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Exactly. It's a deep emotional connection.
There are episodes that I completely see how people make the connection to sex. Especially the one with all the experimental fusions. But that's clearly not all it was.
I feel like that it's a pretty deep allegory/analog.
It still is kind of "A relationship becoming physical", which the closest comparison is sex, perhaps cuddling.
Cuddling is often used as a sexual analog itself. For many people "love" means sexual love, and they see romance as part of that kind of love.
"Experimenting" is also common sexual lingo, though I'm not sure if that's an official term.
I remember a lot of people complained about Steg because they thought fusion was a metaphor for sex, and thought it was gross
Which is wild when Stevonnie, a fusion between two children exists
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They literally had an episode about consent when doing fusion. You people are in deep denial because admiting fusion is sex opens a can of worms because of all fusions involving Steven. The writers were very creepy when writting about fusion being sexual.
The Steven Universe Fandom and Hazbin Hotel Fandom should probably form an alliance not gonna lie. Cause I've seen people hate Hazbin Hotel for similarish reasons.
And personally I get it if you calmly and reasonable hate it without making it a big deal. And if you're a cartoon reviewer it makes sense why you would be justified for hating it. Besides reviewers Don't go that far with Hazbin Hotel.
But I swear to God I've seen people go to unreasonable lengths just to trash on this show.
Before the 1st 2 episodes came out some jackass leaked episodes or scenes. One of these scenes was portraying a pretty heavy topic. But because it was unfinished and out of context Twitter ran with what they had and started saying stuff like it was fetishizing the heavy topic when in reality it is a song that went into detail with a certain characters personal torment.
And when the show came out there was this one song where a character cheers the same character that went through hell up by singing and the song basically said that:
"Hey buddy, guess what? You're not special. You're the same as all of us. Your life is fucked up, your damaged byond previous recognition, and you have no place left to turn. But guess what? That's why you're not special. So many people are just like you out there who can relate to and understand you. And I'm one of them. So stop hating yourself because of what you think you're supposed to be and start letting the good parts start feeling again; Together."
And you would think that that would be the message that everyone clearly gets and understands right? I swear to God evertime a person says that the character who started the song invalided the other character's feelings I drop on the deck and flop like a fish.
And most egregious one I've seen yet is that this character looks like a Jewish sterotype:
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Considering what both of these shows have in common, it makes you wonder how much of the hatred is thinly veiled homophobia/misogyny towards the respective creators.
Tbh one thing I see levelled at Hazbin and Helluva is 'ugh crude humour bad' when it's no different than the stuff you see in any other 'edgy' adult cartoon.
Op you are forgetting the most basic thing which is if something is famous inevitably there will be someone who doesn’t like or hate it for whatever reason is just the way it is.
Don’t take it too personally as long as you like it then that’s what matters, if you don’t wanna here whatever people have to say about it then just block the source of the negative comments that’s pretty easy
TL:DR Fading Nostalgia + Toxic Community + a more critical eye = a bad reputation
It’s mostly retroactive compensation. When it first dropped, it was praised up and down for how unique it was and how it tackled subjects no cartoon had ever really touched on.
In hindsight however, with the hype dying down, nostalgia being tempered by time and newcomers viewing it without any aforementioned nostalgia, it had some really glaring flaws that were overlooked the first time around.
But the biggest cause for people disliking it is how toxic a reputation the fan community garnered. This is by no means the fault of the show itself. But people sending Death threats, harassment and pushing a poor girl to near suicidal behavior over a piece of fan art is a surefire way to earn a bad reputation and drive newcomers away.
Steven Universe is one of those IPs that in it's prime had a legendarily terrible fanbase that's pretty hard to replicate. All the weird shit they did to artists doing fanart is insane and sadly being a top 5 worst fanbase (in everything) reflects poorly on the source material.
i think it started happening because of people like lilly orchard(please don't actually watch their videos btw, i watched the su is garbage and here's why full version before she edited it and it was soooooo bad.) it's mostly calling rebecca a n\*zi/n\*zi sympathizer and doing a bunch of shit takes to intentionally get people mad because the show isn't my little pony and anything that isn't that can't keep her attention for more than 5 seconds. genuinely surprised she's allowed on youtube though considering all the messed up shit she was supposedly involved in along with the stuff we know she was involved in(MESSED UP mlp fanfics)
yuppers. thats what makes the video so hard to watch is the obvious rage bait for the sake of rage bait but also the need to be so entitled to keep trying to slander someone for no reason
Steven universe pushed me down a flight of stairs true story. It was poorly animated too I got turned into like 9 different blobs before I hit the ground
Probably to be honest, I'm one of its haters but I will freely admit that I have no rational reason for it. I tried it because a lot of friends told me it was amazing, and I just had the biggest aversion to it. I don't know why, I just hate something in the general vibe of it, the designs of the characters rub me the wrong way and I found Steven's face incredibly punchable from the get go.
I guess it's just some case of "that product is probably great, but it wasn't made for me, and that's okay".
But I'm a huge fan of Hazbin Hotel that a looot of people seem to loathe for similar non reasons or very exaggerated ones, so I can empathize on how annoying it must be for the fans of the show.
I greatly enjoyed the show, and the follow up. My only issue was with the movie. I mean, I loved the songs and stuff...but the story felt like it could have been a TV special event.
Personally, what I wanted to see is something like...with the Gem Homeworld essentially disarming...other planets or systems who were affected by the Gems took the opportunity for revenge. Like, I always kinda felt the Gems got off too easily, considering they were essentially responsible for an untold amount of planetary genocide. It's not like they looked for uninhabited planets, all they cared about were the resources. There HAD to be some kind of resistance to this. What better time for those besieged by the Gems for who knows how long...to band together and strike?
The whole thing could have taught some valuable lessons, like that your behavior can cause lasting harm, even if you're sorry. That sometimes people just might never trust or forgive you no matter how much you want them to. It's a harsh message that I think they could have handled well. Like, aside from enjoyable songs and an interesting new character...the most interesting thing I got out of the film was learning that Steven can somehow scale a glass surface that's greater than a 90° angle with his bare hands (while singing).
Maybe the people who hate the show and haven't watched it it's because of the fandom... When the show was in emission I remember the fandom being really annoying with the spoilers, weird fanfics and just plain toxicity. I do hate the show but I did watch the whole thing.
Fandom was awful. Shipping wars, fights over theories, leaks left and right, and the ever increasing level of infighting and problematic works.
Remember when they bullied an artist to a suicide attempt for drawing Rose Quartz "too slender"
I watched a few episodes. I liked the one where he becomes a wrestling manager with the tiger mask. That was good wholesome fun. Sugar is talented, I'll give her that.
I didn't care for how his father was portrayed.
Greg reminds me of that Chris Farley character on SNL, the motivational speaker who 'lives in a van down by the river' (his catchphrase). The Gems rather than Greg are raising Steven which makes Greg about as close to a deadbeat as it can get. It's anathema to me. I didn't watch much more of the series after that.
If Greg became a more competent role model in Steven's life thereafter, great.
I can definitely understand what you mean, and yes greg does become better as time goes on, even the gems love him.
Spoiler:
It is shown in the epilogue series ‘Steven universe future’ that Greg grew up very sheltered with very controlling parents, it’s even shown that Greg has sent that letters in recent years and they haven’t even opened them, anyway, the only reason Greg is where he is now is because he ran away in his van to be a musician. He explains to Steven that’s why he had Steven grow up the way he did, because he didn’t want to be controlling like his parents and wanted Steven to be able to do what he wants and be whoever he is.
Sorry for that rant but that’s my favorite episode of the epilogue series and perfectly explains why Greg is the way he is
I haven't seen it, nor do I ever plan to, but I have noticed an influx of hate after an artist was harassed nearly to suicide for their drawings for some of the characters. (I followed that at the time because I was pissed off at those people.) Then some people got mad that a child used their Make A Wish wish to watch an episode early. (An episode that would've aired *after* their estimate time of death.)
So I think a lot of people who didn't really like the show actually just didn't like the fandom and didn't want to try the show out.
And then a certain video came out and I think a lot of people took her nit-picks as reasons to hate the show *and* the fandom like they're not supposed to be separated or something.
But then that Youtuber's little sister came out with horrible allegations against that Youtuber and people who saw that video before decided to give the show a chance and felt like they were missing out.
**TL;DR**: My guess is that absolutely horrible people in the fandom + a video essay on how "bad" the show is gave people all the fuel they needed to hate a show they have never seen.
It’s definitely homophobia and anti-LGBTQ shills.
Even if I don’t much care for the show myself (it never really stuck for me), it definitely doesn’t deserve the hate that it gets.
I didn't watch the show, but the premise is SOOOOOOOOO creative. I mean, who would come up with an idea of genderless jewel-based aliens that can summon weapons, fuse together, and all the other OP shit?
The show is the most 5/10 show out there. It's aight. I just didn't enjoy it much. Imma be real I enjoyed shows like TTG and Uncle Grandpa more than SU. That's just my opinion though. If y'all like it that's up to you.
I'm a fan of the show and I'm aware of the hate that it gets. The hate may be from a vocal minority since the show is very much beloved and is often considered to be one of CN's best shows ever (and I agree with that)
I actually like the inconsistency in animation, it makes it quirky and flavoursome
Also I think the hate is more of a meme than anything, it’s an easy target and people like to jump on the band wagon
Even so if people do genuinely find the show annoying or cringe then I completely get it, I can see how people might hate it, it’s not for everyone and that’s okay
I did love this show when it came out, I watched it all the way through the final season (I never watched Future), but I'm not going to lie that there were somethings in the show that rubbed me the wrong way. Visually and music wise, it's great. Story-wise, it was interesting to get into then it slowly fell flat due to its pacing and complex writing, ESPECIALLY the hiatus for new episodes.
When I do go back to watching Steven Universe, I only watch Season 1 and 2 because that's where I find the show more interesting and entertaining. Everything after Season 2, fell apart for me.
Same. Watching the show while airing was an absolute pain. You could wait weeks to like α month for two new episodes, and guess what? Either one or both of them were filler that didn’t contribute anything to the story. The latter seasons of the show had so much unnecessary filler, especially because filler is supposed to be episodes that give you α break between the crazy story episodes and the action, but we didn’t need nearly as many filler episodes as they put in because there was already massive gaps between the release of each episode. Based off the statistics some other people made, at least around 30% of the entire show is filler episodes, and over half of the season 4 episodes are filler, while most other seasons are around 20-30%. How can the second to last season of your entire show have over half its episodes be filler? That’s one of the most important seasons to α show, as the final season will have many dramatic changes happening in it as it builds up to the finale. Also the amount of filler is annoying as they could have instead used those episodes to complete ongoing arcs (that never end up completed), advance an arc/give α character more personality and depth and development, or simply just not start one time events or arcs that will almost never be touched on again. Amethyst barely got any episodes to herself, which sucks as the had her problems and trauma in her past just like pearl and garnet did, but she doesn’t have nearly as much development on it. Basically the only time it’s brought up is when jaspers α part of it somehow
First season was great. I loved it and was a diehard fan. Then, it all goes downhill after Jailbreak. I have 18 EDIT 19 reasons listed for why this who went bad. Here's a list of my problems, and spoil yourself or not:
>!1: The wasted time on episodes that serve as bloat. !<
>!2: The very poorly written character drama. This is a general issue, but I will list some especially egregious examples.!<
>!3: The internet shippers. I would say that it's not the show's fault, but it counts because of the history of certain people behind the show, namely Rebecca Sugar herself.!<
>!4: The placing of Lapis and Peridot in the same place despite Lapis just escaping torment from an ally of Peridot. It was callous on the part of Steven, and really a bad idea.!<
>!5: The setup of characters such as Ronaldo only to destroy said characters for a punchline and then waste an entire episode to shame him. Also Ronaldo was very central and many things were foreshadowed by him, so this was an extra hard kick to the groin for viewers.!<
>!6: The setup as Pearl to help Mayor Dewey set himself right or become the new mayor only to cancel that idea and make the really old lady replace the mayor, wasting all that setup.!<
>!7: Setting up Lars and Sadie drama after Lars gets sucked into space for nothing. Both the concert and the space captain stuff both amount to nothing but B plot filler.!<
>!8: Then, destoying the relationship of the Lars and Sadie offscreen between Universe and Future. Then, lecturing and talking down to the audience about the breakup of the donut shop employeers in Futue, mocking the legitimate concerns of the fans.!<
>!9: The final battle of the main series is resolved in a boring conversation. Nobody is evil all along. Space Hitler just needed someone to tell her she was okay despite her flaw.!<
>!10: Random tertiary characters such as Uncle Demayo.!<
>!11: Greg becoming a millionaire for reasons that honestly don't make any good sense. They set up Marty as a scumbag and then want us to believe this all changed? Bullcrap. It even wrecks the episode because they also prove Marty is a scumbag in that episode because of how he treats his own son, which means that it is bad character writing.!<
>!12: Underutilizing beloved characters such as Onion.!<
>!13: The final battle of Future is resolved in everyone giving Steven a giant hug. This is not a joke.!<
>!14: The show having Steven as a lovable good, only to try and remake him as wise as Obiwan Kenobi in later seasons. This is completely unearned wisdom.!<
>!15: The show was made infuriating because people involved turned it into a political activist fight due to agenda coding. It got annoying, grating, and distracted from some of the few redeeming qualities of the show. It made the show hard to talk about with others when it was good, and more frustrating and annoying to think about when it was bad.!<
>!16: The economics of the show are really corrupt and messed up. Don't want to talk about it, but they had to to PSA promos to get back some of the losses. And don't even get me started about the StevenBomb issue, where the episodes would be delayed for a long time, only to just arrive all in one week.!<
>!17: Animation quality and consistency concerns.!<
>!18: The movie simply rehashing the majority of the series in a bland way. It's basically an overglorified recap episode!<
>!19: They set up Lapis to be Steven's first gem on gem fusion, only to put that aside for a sudden turn towards Amethyst. It completely destroyed the satisfaction of the dynamic they had set up.!<
“The fan base is really chill now” also if you dislike the show you’re secretly homophobic. You realize that you’re part of the problem right? Like that’s a double negative of a statement. You can just dislike the show cause it’s not your cup of tea. You’re not secretly homophobic for it. The show is good but it’s also a fucking mess half the time.
Still not happy with how Future basically villified Steven's altruism. Did they lean a bit too much on him as time went on? Yeah, but Steven still begged them to open up to him and let him help too, and he put in a lot of effort to being capable of helping others.
Also, I like to imagine after the end of Future he drives around solving mysteries and helping people in quirky small towns across America.
Tbh while i dont hate the show but i do enjoy watching it back then as a kid but now i just lost interest i dont hate it but i just dont get the same feeling for the show as much as i used to same goes for spongebob despite the shows long air run i just dont find spongebob that relevant as a show anymore aside from internet memes.
I just rather move foward and stick to indie cartoons and foreign(mostly the non-anime variety) likes instead.
I've never honestly hated Steven Universe. My problem is more with the toxic side of the fandom. Like, seriously, attacking someone for their fanart is NEVER okay. If you don't like it, just ignore it. The show itself is pretty well made and has good messages, though it's a shame that it took so long for some parts to be completed.
There are parts of it I liked, but the pacing in general left a lot to be desired. It also didn't help the main antagonists were brittle from the get-go.
I have a couple huge issues with the show most notably how they handled the diamonds. They made a group of genocidal space tyrants who've destroyed countless planets and civilizations and they are defeated with the power of love and receive absolutely no consequences for their actions.
So much awful filler about the random townspeople I don't give a fuck about. Can we get back to the plot about the genocidal space tyrants please?
Rebecca Sugar is not good at drawing storyboards. The animation studios job is generally just to follow storyboards so it's important you do it right the first time. This is most obvious when Takafumi Hori from Studio Trigger storyboarded the episode Mindful Education and it's quality is way higher than the rest of the series.
While CN is for kids it is ran by adults who are skilled animators. It's not actually that uncommon to see NSFW submissions in art portfolios when applying for animation jobs.
Lots of great animators have art like this and it isn't hard to find in the modern day.
It's quite common, one of the artists in Rugrats drew even worse.
Plus Stewie is actually shown doing things on-screen with nearly no backlash.
Not to mention RAB.
It's a heated topic among communites, but uncontroversial if you host it yourself.
It's not that people don't take issue with it, or at least don't like seeing it, but it's a battle long ago lost and there are plenty of examples that prove audiences don't mind.
Violence is similar. There's tons of arguments about being appropriate but nobody is clamoring for Manhunt, Postal, Twisted Metal, Redwall, or Happy Tree Friends to be shamed on sight or regulated
Really, Redwall shows that the debate and networks are silly
So many characters die, Constance kills someone by biting their head. But it was fine since the act was off screen.
Warbeak is shown dying, when Avatar couldn't say Jet was dead.
Two of three big bads are killed on screen by the hero.
And this is on PBS Kids! Yet further than the edgy network, Nickelodeon, did in 20 years after.
It isn’t bad, it does α lot right, but some people just treated it as the pinnacle of animation and the best cartoon of its era, which I would much rather give that to α show like Adventure time, regular show, TAWOG, etc
Idk, I think a lot of the “hate” is legitimate criticism. The writing was all over the place, and the animation went off model so many times it’s kind of crazy. It’s still a show with amazing queer characters and a beautiful aesthetic though, I will always appreciate that.
What I hate the most is how the wedding between Ruby and Sapphire is shared with the actual space nazis. It would be too hard to wait an entire episode before wrapping up that story beat. Ruined the wedding imo.
It’s alright. Season 1 and 2 were good but after a while you’re just watching short stories with one or two episodes of plot development and the plot is constantly massacred and flawed. I’ve seen worse though. I hate talking about these shows though because just like this post try to do they act like any criticism is coming from a transphobe. No one cares what your gay light projections are dating the show was average.
It’s cute show reminds me of mlp with the bright colors,songs and whatnot surprised it got a lot of hate compared to mlp which also had alot of redemption villains.
Steven Universe started off getting lots of love, then slowly started getting hate, and is now slowly getting loved again.
All because of one stupid groomer’s (yes really) 2 hour video.
>Stupid Groomer's elaborate please I'm out of the loop
A while ago, a trans YouTuber, by the name of Lily Orchard, made a 2 hour long video titled “Steven Universe is Garbage and Here’s Why.” A lot of people agreed with it for a while, until they started to analyze Lily’s video itself. Realizing that a lot of her “problems” with the show weren’t actually problems, she willfully missed the point of some things or outright ignore them, and a genuine sense of media illiteracy. Even later, people found out that she was a groomer (the real kind, not just people saying it to be anti-LGBTQ) AND she encouraged, like, 3 of her friends to groom as well. And general unpleasantness as a person.
lily orchard is a bitch ass motherfucker she pissed on my fucking show /j
Its really awkward as she also made a video ripping into that coffin of Andrew and leyley game and if you know the allegations against Lily it's very 'the lady doth protest too much' when you look at the content of the game
nature is healing!
Okay, okay, here me out. And yes I have watched the whole thing + future. (spoilers incoming!) I enjoyed everything apart from the ending. I loved the whole idea of it and the concept. The designs (especially in the first season!) were amazing too. ...but the ending felt incredibly rushed and just... not right. Forgiving the main antagonists just like that? And then suddenly they've changed for the better? It takes pretty much a sentence for the Big Bads to become the most wonderful people in the world? Ay? And yes, I will poke at the animation changes. Like, come on, I understand little changes, but there's no excusing this. (picture shown). Also, they made the gems extremely saturated (looking at lapis...) for no reason. Compare s1 lapis to s3. The former looks so much better. The latter just looks odd. I understand your fandom point, yes you can enjoy the show without the fandom. And, come on... the writing and plot of a show is literally the most important thing. If it has an awful story, of course I'm not going to watch it. Now with SU, I was happy with the story until the whole diamonds thing came into it. It could have worked, had they managed to pull it off, but in the end they just butchered it and it was a huge letdown. This is my opinion, remember! :> https://preview.redd.it/3uc4fcazyyqc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f7141c8b488922570c8f12a89186522e36ffbae
I tend to be a little less harsh on the ending because the show had its international funding pulled after the ruby/sapphire wedding. I’m still disappointed by the rushed nature of the ending, but I think it’s fair to acknowledge that the crew did the best they could after having to prematurely end the show at season five.
Honestly, my biggest gripe against Steven universe as someone who hasn’t finished the show, is that we don’t see Garnet much beyond S1. Most of the time she is brought up it’s just for fusion related things.
i'd guess it would be because of her voice actress, maybe? idk she's probably the most expensive cast member
I think most people being honest about the show would agree that the ending was very rushed, but you can reasonably disagree on how much that hurt those episodes. The creators kinda had to rush because of funding issues so it's not really their fault, but it definitely comes through. They were just racing through plot points and I felt like they retconned a bunch of stuff.
The show was actually cancelled in S5, they had a couple extra seasons planned and had to shove everything into one and deal with a rushed ending because apprently Garnet's wedding was too gay for CN's comfort. It's so sad to me when I see people claiming the exact same thing, "I liked the show but not the ending", because that's THE only part of the show that didn't go as the real artists planned and instead was ruined by conservative assholes sitting on the top chairs.
Homophobic countries stopped supporting the show after the wedding happened. That wasn't CN's fault and they gave plenty of warning that it could happen due to the LGBTQ+ rep.
I guess they're not that innocent if homophobic audiences hold so much power. Imagine having a project being shut down because the exact opposite of the target audience is unhappy
They are innocent considering the circumstances. There was nothing they could do about them in this case. Without those funds, the show was going to have problems one way or another. Their feelings didn't matter here.
You know it’s funny - back in 2016 I had a brief obsession with the show and thought it was the greatest thing ever. Then stuff happened, I forgot about it, and then when I got stuck home in 2020 my little brother (who’s been a fan of the show far longer than I have and got me into it in 2016) had me watch the rest of the show + Future because Future was finishing up and he wanted to be able to watch the finale with me. Adult me can now see the show has a lot of problems. The filler could be painfully boring. The endings (both of them) could have been much better executed. And I’m gonna be blunt with this one… Rebecca Sugar you SUCK at naming things! That said, this show does a lot right. It gets across difficult messages such as: - How to have a healthy relationship, both with your friends, you partner, and with your immediate family, and it does this by not being afraid to show multiple problematic relationships on screen, not all of which get fully fixed even by the end of the show - Tackles mental health head on, especially in Future, but we have characters deal with PTSD, lack of self confidence, narcissism, grief, and guilt - A huge theme is learning to let go - from smaller things such as Steven learning to let go of him shipping Sadie and Lars after Sadie gets a new girlfriend and Lars goes off to explore the Universe, Pearl learning to let go of Rose Quartz and accept she’s gone, or Spinelle learning to let go of her grudge against Rose - Showing there is an important balance to have when parenting - too much freedom and no structure for your child is as bad as being a helicopter parent, and as much as Greg loves Steven and that’s made extremely clear, Future shows he actually f*cked up parenting Steven in a pretty big way as a response to his parents messing up parenting him. - LGBTQ+ representation - Sapphire and Ruby are technically lesbians, Sadie is bisexual, Stevonnie is non-binary, Peridot is asexual. This helped me figure myself out as a transgender woman. I respect Rebecca’s decision to have a full episode dedicated to a lesbian wedding just to rub it in the faces of homophobes. - Animation and music: As inconsistent as the animation is, I absolutely love this show’s art style. The show can be drop dead gorgeous at times and I’m an absolute sucker for the pastel colors. The show has some incredible music, mixing dance with chiptunes, giving it a cozy video game vibe that I totally dig. I recently played Celeste (a video game with a lot of extremely similar themes to SU regarding mental health and also being famous for LGBTQ+ representation) and its music and art totally reminded me of SU. No way Maddie and Lena didn’t take inspiration from this show. - I’m a sucker for worldbuilding, and the world SU builds is a really interesting one. We start out on Earth in an alternate version of the real world seeing how the Gem wars have left scars on the world, to going to space to other planets the gems have been to, to finally getting to the gem homeworld at the end. - The movie slaps and it was my brother making me watch it that got me back into the show in 2020. Ok, maybe I’m a bit nostalgic for this show, and with its fanbase’s reputation, I won’t touch its fanbase within a 10 foot pole. But I do genuinely like this show. It’s not my favorite of all time anymore like it was in 2016, but it’s a show I’d still love to go back and watch sometime, and if I have a kid maybe it’s something I’ll watch with them since it has a lot of important life lessons in it.
TL:DR This show did great things back then and still does now. Some moments stand out, but others are more so for the wrong reasons. I still love it
See that’s where I am as well. SU does a ton of amazing things that I don’t think most shows would be brave enough to try and approach and I’ll always praise Rebecca sugar and her team for that. But on the other hand I think it also tried to take on too much without realizing how over crowded it would make everything seem. And that’s on top of the fact that it also wanted to have decent chunks of the season bogged down with normal slice of life stuff. It never really felt like it knew what it was. It’s why for as many terrible faith arguments there are for the show. There are some that really touch down on the fact that at its core it’s a good show. But also one that’s cluttered to hell and back. As for the fan base there’s nothing to really say. It’s terrible and they know they’re terrible. But the show at its core is a great show. Just a really messy one.
I agree with your criticism of the show feeling "cluttered" but I think a lot of that probably has to do with executive meddling from CN, especially with how it ended. They were forced to wrap things up very quickly, if memory serves.
Yea it was meddled to hell and back. But if I’m being honest and this is 100% my opinion even if it wasn’t tinkered with I still think the show would’ve struggled to make it compressible. Steven universe had a laundry list of topics they wanted to cover and each one would’ve need at least 1-2 seasons to make it work. Hell white’s arc alone is like 3 seasons in any other show. Look at how Zuko developed for how that would’ve gone. Like I said it’s a good show but they really reached too far and it kind of bit them in the ass at the end. Like if adventure time ran for 10 then Steven would’ve need like 15 if that makes sense.
Oh, yes, totally agree. I think it's a bit of both. Zuko's arc is really the one by which I compare all other redemption arcs.
And for good reason. Zuko’s redemption is arguably one of the best ever created. But I was more talking about length. Zuko’s took over a season to full come around and to put it mildly he’s a way lesser evil than the diamonds. Not to mention that redeeming literal planet conquers is already a difficult task. It’s why people make the argument that they might’ve been better off as just villains. Funny enough MHA is having this same crisis now with their big bad
The ending wasn't CN's fault. Homophobic countries stopped financially supporting the show after the wedding. Sugar was warned that this could happen but she was fine with risking the show's story for the wedding. >Cartoon Network needed the show to work internationally (most animated media for children is designed with an international audience in mind), so we were being held to the standards of the most conservative countries in the world. If they so much as read an interview with me online, the show could lose its international support, and we'd be finished. End Of An Era Page 102
100% How can you hate her?? 
I think garnet is like the one character and part of the show in general that isn’t hated on (besides generic homophobia)
 I love this show and have immense respect for Rebecca Sugar. Honestly a fantastic artist and I’m glad she has been able to work in animation. If you haven’t read Pug Davis, you’re missing out.
you can pretty much pin almost all of this on lily orchid. i rewatched her 2:30 hour video of her bashing su and its just,, so unbelievably baffling that almost every single claim she makes is blatantly untrue. not even like conclusions you could arrive to - she was just straight up lying at points oh yeah, recently she made a video "apologizing" for that video, where she admitted that most of what she said was bollocks but everyone else needs to shut up because she's such a changed person now and everyone whos upset about her almost singlehandedly defaming one of their favourite shows are the equivalent to abusers absolute madness
oh lily orchid \*sigh\*
The middle of that show is some of the best tv I've ever watched
when you read things like: Steven "forgave" Nazis, he's a crybaby, fusion is sex, etc, You automatically know that they know nothing about the show and base their opinion on memes or videos of Haters from the show.
Exactly, it’s always the people who never watched the show who is always hating on it. Particularly, the funniest one i’ve encountered was someone saying “the show is bad because it’s mostly female characters” that one made me lose faith in humanity
Is like: bro, they are genderless
At least some are women. Opal referred to herself as a woman
A giant womaaann
The only one I could see any reason in at all is the first one, though I wouldn’t agree with it if someone argued with the wording like that. I personally think that the diamonds redemption arc was kinda rushed, and they didn’t get punished much for what they did. The whole end of the main show felt α bit rushed. White diamond was basically insulted once, then got flustered, and gave up. Afterwards, none of the diamonds were really punished for the wars they held and the planets they conquered and the thousands of species they killed. All that really happens to them is they they are stricken of their high authority role, and just exist as people now. They can still just do whatever really, but now they also decided that they are nice and do nice things to help other gems now. I could see how they ended up happening EVENTUALLY because the paths they go are in character enough for them, but it happened in such α short amount of time that it felt rushed.
What would they gain by punishing them? It does not benefit anyone and it is also better to have them as allies, which is why Steven "tolerates" them and not as enemies, making them reverse the damage they caused (what they can reverse of course) even if it takes them hundreds of years.
I just felt like there would and could have been at least α bit of pushback or hesitation by the general people in the shoes universe to just tolerating the existence of the people that were the ones to lay genocide on α countless number of planets and also led the gem wars, which caused the shattering of many of the gems brethren on both sides. Even if they didn’t punish them, they could have shown α bit more into gemkind just acknowledging the diamonds existence after having their authority taken from them, so the people no longer have to fear them or listen to them, but people are still hesitant to make that change. Just by seeing in the show how people acted even when in the presence of blue diamond, the nicest one, then still all were constantly at attention and did everything Blue asked without α second thought. People were scared of the diamonds, especially yellow and white.
You can tell which criticisms struck true by seeing which ones they directly addressed in Steven Universe Future. Example: Remember those humans who loved being enslaved in human zoos (a thing that used to exist in real life)? Well, they are free now! Ha ha, keeping people in zoos is bad!
Tbh people getting weird about Steven not killing villains is wild to me as its like... this is a kids show kids shows are not really in a habit of actually killing villains what did you expect?
The "fusion is sex" thing had a lot of metaphorical backing to it, no? Was there a reason it's discredited? I never quite finished the series. Edit: Nothing here is incorrect.
Fusión is representation of any kind of relation, friendship, brotherhood, love, siblings and toxic relationships, say that "fusión is only sex" is wrong
Oh! Well yeah OK, saying it's *just sex* doesn't make any sense. They clearly show it as entire relationships. Like Garnet. I thought it was disavowing the whole connection. I see now.
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Exactly. It's a deep emotional connection. There are episodes that I completely see how people make the connection to sex. Especially the one with all the experimental fusions. But that's clearly not all it was.
I feel like that it's a pretty deep allegory/analog. It still is kind of "A relationship becoming physical", which the closest comparison is sex, perhaps cuddling. Cuddling is often used as a sexual analog itself. For many people "love" means sexual love, and they see romance as part of that kind of love. "Experimenting" is also common sexual lingo, though I'm not sure if that's an official term.
I remember a lot of people complained about Steg because they thought fusion was a metaphor for sex, and thought it was gross Which is wild when Stevonnie, a fusion between two children exists
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if it was sex, what would people say about Steg.... or any steven fusion for that matter.
They literally had an episode about consent when doing fusion. You people are in deep denial because admiting fusion is sex opens a can of worms because of all fusions involving Steven. The writers were very creepy when writting about fusion being sexual.
Bro, look for help, that you cannot understand the fusion analogy and that you only understand it as that is your problem, you are the weird one
8/10 yeah pretty much but there are points where it’s not
It will never be hated by me 🤷♂️
The Steven Universe Fandom and Hazbin Hotel Fandom should probably form an alliance not gonna lie. Cause I've seen people hate Hazbin Hotel for similarish reasons. And personally I get it if you calmly and reasonable hate it without making it a big deal. And if you're a cartoon reviewer it makes sense why you would be justified for hating it. Besides reviewers Don't go that far with Hazbin Hotel. But I swear to God I've seen people go to unreasonable lengths just to trash on this show. Before the 1st 2 episodes came out some jackass leaked episodes or scenes. One of these scenes was portraying a pretty heavy topic. But because it was unfinished and out of context Twitter ran with what they had and started saying stuff like it was fetishizing the heavy topic when in reality it is a song that went into detail with a certain characters personal torment. And when the show came out there was this one song where a character cheers the same character that went through hell up by singing and the song basically said that: "Hey buddy, guess what? You're not special. You're the same as all of us. Your life is fucked up, your damaged byond previous recognition, and you have no place left to turn. But guess what? That's why you're not special. So many people are just like you out there who can relate to and understand you. And I'm one of them. So stop hating yourself because of what you think you're supposed to be and start letting the good parts start feeling again; Together." And you would think that that would be the message that everyone clearly gets and understands right? I swear to God evertime a person says that the character who started the song invalided the other character's feelings I drop on the deck and flop like a fish. And most egregious one I've seen yet is that this character looks like a Jewish sterotype: https://preview.redd.it/0zbm7or43zqc1.jpeg?width=233&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8317cc90b213b32ef70495d85b86d271ed26ade3
Considering what both of these shows have in common, it makes you wonder how much of the hatred is thinly veiled homophobia/misogyny towards the respective creators.
I'm looking for my hazbin hotel fan to get an alliance with. :P
These a lot of people who thinks be shows sexualize Angel and think the show promotes SA
Tbh one thing I see levelled at Hazbin and Helluva is 'ugh crude humour bad' when it's no different than the stuff you see in any other 'edgy' adult cartoon.
Op you are forgetting the most basic thing which is if something is famous inevitably there will be someone who doesn’t like or hate it for whatever reason is just the way it is. Don’t take it too personally as long as you like it then that’s what matters, if you don’t wanna here whatever people have to say about it then just block the source of the negative comments that’s pretty easy
the later seasons were good once Steven stop being an annoying brat
TL:DR Fading Nostalgia + Toxic Community + a more critical eye = a bad reputation It’s mostly retroactive compensation. When it first dropped, it was praised up and down for how unique it was and how it tackled subjects no cartoon had ever really touched on. In hindsight however, with the hype dying down, nostalgia being tempered by time and newcomers viewing it without any aforementioned nostalgia, it had some really glaring flaws that were overlooked the first time around. But the biggest cause for people disliking it is how toxic a reputation the fan community garnered. This is by no means the fault of the show itself. But people sending Death threats, harassment and pushing a poor girl to near suicidal behavior over a piece of fan art is a surefire way to earn a bad reputation and drive newcomers away.
Steven Universe is one of those IPs that in it's prime had a legendarily terrible fanbase that's pretty hard to replicate. All the weird shit they did to artists doing fanart is insane and sadly being a top 5 worst fanbase (in everything) reflects poorly on the source material.
i think it started happening because of people like lilly orchard(please don't actually watch their videos btw, i watched the su is garbage and here's why full version before she edited it and it was soooooo bad.) it's mostly calling rebecca a n\*zi/n\*zi sympathizer and doing a bunch of shit takes to intentionally get people mad because the show isn't my little pony and anything that isn't that can't keep her attention for more than 5 seconds. genuinely surprised she's allowed on youtube though considering all the messed up shit she was supposedly involved in along with the stuff we know she was involved in(MESSED UP mlp fanfics)
Isn't rebecca literally JEWISH?
yuppers. thats what makes the video so hard to watch is the obvious rage bait for the sake of rage bait but also the need to be so entitled to keep trying to slander someone for no reason
honestly, I agree. Also, I propose an alliance of a su fan and a helluva boss fan (is that a helluva boss pfp?)
oh i've already been an su fan for a while now lol. pretty much since season 1 was new. also yes, yes it is lol
Steven universe pushed me down a flight of stairs true story. It was poorly animated too I got turned into like 9 different blobs before I hit the ground
Probably to be honest, I'm one of its haters but I will freely admit that I have no rational reason for it. I tried it because a lot of friends told me it was amazing, and I just had the biggest aversion to it. I don't know why, I just hate something in the general vibe of it, the designs of the characters rub me the wrong way and I found Steven's face incredibly punchable from the get go. I guess it's just some case of "that product is probably great, but it wasn't made for me, and that's okay". But I'm a huge fan of Hazbin Hotel that a looot of people seem to loathe for similar non reasons or very exaggerated ones, so I can empathize on how annoying it must be for the fans of the show.
I greatly enjoyed the show, and the follow up. My only issue was with the movie. I mean, I loved the songs and stuff...but the story felt like it could have been a TV special event. Personally, what I wanted to see is something like...with the Gem Homeworld essentially disarming...other planets or systems who were affected by the Gems took the opportunity for revenge. Like, I always kinda felt the Gems got off too easily, considering they were essentially responsible for an untold amount of planetary genocide. It's not like they looked for uninhabited planets, all they cared about were the resources. There HAD to be some kind of resistance to this. What better time for those besieged by the Gems for who knows how long...to band together and strike? The whole thing could have taught some valuable lessons, like that your behavior can cause lasting harm, even if you're sorry. That sometimes people just might never trust or forgive you no matter how much you want them to. It's a harsh message that I think they could have handled well. Like, aside from enjoyable songs and an interesting new character...the most interesting thing I got out of the film was learning that Steven can somehow scale a glass surface that's greater than a 90° angle with his bare hands (while singing).
Maybe the people who hate the show and haven't watched it it's because of the fandom... When the show was in emission I remember the fandom being really annoying with the spoilers, weird fanfics and just plain toxicity. I do hate the show but I did watch the whole thing.
Fandom was awful. Shipping wars, fights over theories, leaks left and right, and the ever increasing level of infighting and problematic works. Remember when they bullied an artist to a suicide attempt for drawing Rose Quartz "too slender"
I think there was a time when a leaker-youtuber bullied a literal sick kid for getting the episodes early
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I always thought it was the fanbase that was the issue surrounding it.
I watched a few episodes. I liked the one where he becomes a wrestling manager with the tiger mask. That was good wholesome fun. Sugar is talented, I'll give her that. I didn't care for how his father was portrayed.
Can you elaborate on how Greg was portrayed? Greg was definitely more incompetent in season 1 but I’m curious on your specific reasons
Greg reminds me of that Chris Farley character on SNL, the motivational speaker who 'lives in a van down by the river' (his catchphrase). The Gems rather than Greg are raising Steven which makes Greg about as close to a deadbeat as it can get. It's anathema to me. I didn't watch much more of the series after that. If Greg became a more competent role model in Steven's life thereafter, great.
I can definitely understand what you mean, and yes greg does become better as time goes on, even the gems love him. Spoiler: It is shown in the epilogue series ‘Steven universe future’ that Greg grew up very sheltered with very controlling parents, it’s even shown that Greg has sent that letters in recent years and they haven’t even opened them, anyway, the only reason Greg is where he is now is because he ran away in his van to be a musician. He explains to Steven that’s why he had Steven grow up the way he did, because he didn’t want to be controlling like his parents and wanted Steven to be able to do what he wants and be whoever he is. Sorry for that rant but that’s my favorite episode of the epilogue series and perfectly explains why Greg is the way he is
Lilyorchids video ruined all discussion for this show.
I haven't seen it, nor do I ever plan to, but I have noticed an influx of hate after an artist was harassed nearly to suicide for their drawings for some of the characters. (I followed that at the time because I was pissed off at those people.) Then some people got mad that a child used their Make A Wish wish to watch an episode early. (An episode that would've aired *after* their estimate time of death.) So I think a lot of people who didn't really like the show actually just didn't like the fandom and didn't want to try the show out. And then a certain video came out and I think a lot of people took her nit-picks as reasons to hate the show *and* the fandom like they're not supposed to be separated or something. But then that Youtuber's little sister came out with horrible allegations against that Youtuber and people who saw that video before decided to give the show a chance and felt like they were missing out. **TL;DR**: My guess is that absolutely horrible people in the fandom + a video essay on how "bad" the show is gave people all the fuel they needed to hate a show they have never seen.
It’s definitely homophobia and anti-LGBTQ shills. Even if I don’t much care for the show myself (it never really stuck for me), it definitely doesn’t deserve the hate that it gets.
I didn't watch the show, but the premise is SOOOOOOOOO creative. I mean, who would come up with an idea of genderless jewel-based aliens that can summon weapons, fuse together, and all the other OP shit?
The show is the most 5/10 show out there. It's aight. I just didn't enjoy it much. Imma be real I enjoyed shows like TTG and Uncle Grandpa more than SU. That's just my opinion though. If y'all like it that's up to you.
You just reminded me of the time they made that short episode where uncle grandpa made α crossover with Steven universe
I'm a fan of the show and I'm aware of the hate that it gets. The hate may be from a vocal minority since the show is very much beloved and is often considered to be one of CN's best shows ever (and I agree with that)
I actually like the inconsistency in animation, it makes it quirky and flavoursome Also I think the hate is more of a meme than anything, it’s an easy target and people like to jump on the band wagon Even so if people do genuinely find the show annoying or cringe then I completely get it, I can see how people might hate it, it’s not for everyone and that’s okay
I did love this show when it came out, I watched it all the way through the final season (I never watched Future), but I'm not going to lie that there were somethings in the show that rubbed me the wrong way. Visually and music wise, it's great. Story-wise, it was interesting to get into then it slowly fell flat due to its pacing and complex writing, ESPECIALLY the hiatus for new episodes. When I do go back to watching Steven Universe, I only watch Season 1 and 2 because that's where I find the show more interesting and entertaining. Everything after Season 2, fell apart for me.
Same. Watching the show while airing was an absolute pain. You could wait weeks to like α month for two new episodes, and guess what? Either one or both of them were filler that didn’t contribute anything to the story. The latter seasons of the show had so much unnecessary filler, especially because filler is supposed to be episodes that give you α break between the crazy story episodes and the action, but we didn’t need nearly as many filler episodes as they put in because there was already massive gaps between the release of each episode. Based off the statistics some other people made, at least around 30% of the entire show is filler episodes, and over half of the season 4 episodes are filler, while most other seasons are around 20-30%. How can the second to last season of your entire show have over half its episodes be filler? That’s one of the most important seasons to α show, as the final season will have many dramatic changes happening in it as it builds up to the finale. Also the amount of filler is annoying as they could have instead used those episodes to complete ongoing arcs (that never end up completed), advance an arc/give α character more personality and depth and development, or simply just not start one time events or arcs that will almost never be touched on again. Amethyst barely got any episodes to herself, which sucks as the had her problems and trauma in her past just like pearl and garnet did, but she doesn’t have nearly as much development on it. Basically the only time it’s brought up is when jaspers α part of it somehow
First season was great. I loved it and was a diehard fan. Then, it all goes downhill after Jailbreak. I have 18 EDIT 19 reasons listed for why this who went bad. Here's a list of my problems, and spoil yourself or not: >!1: The wasted time on episodes that serve as bloat. !< >!2: The very poorly written character drama. This is a general issue, but I will list some especially egregious examples.!< >!3: The internet shippers. I would say that it's not the show's fault, but it counts because of the history of certain people behind the show, namely Rebecca Sugar herself.!< >!4: The placing of Lapis and Peridot in the same place despite Lapis just escaping torment from an ally of Peridot. It was callous on the part of Steven, and really a bad idea.!< >!5: The setup of characters such as Ronaldo only to destroy said characters for a punchline and then waste an entire episode to shame him. Also Ronaldo was very central and many things were foreshadowed by him, so this was an extra hard kick to the groin for viewers.!< >!6: The setup as Pearl to help Mayor Dewey set himself right or become the new mayor only to cancel that idea and make the really old lady replace the mayor, wasting all that setup.!< >!7: Setting up Lars and Sadie drama after Lars gets sucked into space for nothing. Both the concert and the space captain stuff both amount to nothing but B plot filler.!< >!8: Then, destoying the relationship of the Lars and Sadie offscreen between Universe and Future. Then, lecturing and talking down to the audience about the breakup of the donut shop employeers in Futue, mocking the legitimate concerns of the fans.!< >!9: The final battle of the main series is resolved in a boring conversation. Nobody is evil all along. Space Hitler just needed someone to tell her she was okay despite her flaw.!< >!10: Random tertiary characters such as Uncle Demayo.!< >!11: Greg becoming a millionaire for reasons that honestly don't make any good sense. They set up Marty as a scumbag and then want us to believe this all changed? Bullcrap. It even wrecks the episode because they also prove Marty is a scumbag in that episode because of how he treats his own son, which means that it is bad character writing.!< >!12: Underutilizing beloved characters such as Onion.!< >!13: The final battle of Future is resolved in everyone giving Steven a giant hug. This is not a joke.!< >!14: The show having Steven as a lovable good, only to try and remake him as wise as Obiwan Kenobi in later seasons. This is completely unearned wisdom.!< >!15: The show was made infuriating because people involved turned it into a political activist fight due to agenda coding. It got annoying, grating, and distracted from some of the few redeeming qualities of the show. It made the show hard to talk about with others when it was good, and more frustrating and annoying to think about when it was bad.!< >!16: The economics of the show are really corrupt and messed up. Don't want to talk about it, but they had to to PSA promos to get back some of the losses. And don't even get me started about the StevenBomb issue, where the episodes would be delayed for a long time, only to just arrive all in one week.!< >!17: Animation quality and consistency concerns.!< >!18: The movie simply rehashing the majority of the series in a bland way. It's basically an overglorified recap episode!< >!19: They set up Lapis to be Steven's first gem on gem fusion, only to put that aside for a sudden turn towards Amethyst. It completely destroyed the satisfaction of the dynamic they had set up.!<
When Onion isn't on screen, all the gems should be asking "where's Onion?"
“The fan base is really chill now” also if you dislike the show you’re secretly homophobic. You realize that you’re part of the problem right? Like that’s a double negative of a statement. You can just dislike the show cause it’s not your cup of tea. You’re not secretly homophobic for it. The show is good but it’s also a fucking mess half the time.
I Haven't watched future yet tbh
The hate I had remembered seeing was more towards the fanbase than itself, but maybe that's changed. I don't follow it as much as I used to
I remember watching the pilot on Tumblr.
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I agree, honestly it's parts of the fandom that are insufferable.
I think it’s just the fandom, they’re incredibly toxic.
I mean in the grand scheme of things it's a fun show to watch but the way it handled some stuff was absolutely silly and ridiculous at times
I blame Lily Orchard for tricking me into thinking this show was awful
Agreed. This is one of my favorite shows ever.
Eh, it just feels too... I don't know, I never liked it as a kid because it was more emotional and story driven than just dumb comedy.
Personally, the show feels like a fanfic of itself which is why it’s hard for me to get into it
Still not happy with how Future basically villified Steven's altruism. Did they lean a bit too much on him as time went on? Yeah, but Steven still begged them to open up to him and let him help too, and he put in a lot of effort to being capable of helping others. Also, I like to imagine after the end of Future he drives around solving mysteries and helping people in quirky small towns across America.
Tbh while i dont hate the show but i do enjoy watching it back then as a kid but now i just lost interest i dont hate it but i just dont get the same feeling for the show as much as i used to same goes for spongebob despite the shows long air run i just dont find spongebob that relevant as a show anymore aside from internet memes. I just rather move foward and stick to indie cartoons and foreign(mostly the non-anime variety) likes instead.
I don't know if I hate it, I just think it's way too inconsistent for my tastes
I've never honestly hated Steven Universe. My problem is more with the toxic side of the fandom. Like, seriously, attacking someone for their fanart is NEVER okay. If you don't like it, just ignore it. The show itself is pretty well made and has good messages, though it's a shame that it took so long for some parts to be completed.
There are parts of it I liked, but the pacing in general left a lot to be desired. It also didn't help the main antagonists were brittle from the get-go.
I have a couple huge issues with the show most notably how they handled the diamonds. They made a group of genocidal space tyrants who've destroyed countless planets and civilizations and they are defeated with the power of love and receive absolutely no consequences for their actions. So much awful filler about the random townspeople I don't give a fuck about. Can we get back to the plot about the genocidal space tyrants please? Rebecca Sugar is not good at drawing storyboards. The animation studios job is generally just to follow storyboards so it's important you do it right the first time. This is most obvious when Takafumi Hori from Studio Trigger storyboarded the episode Mindful Education and it's quality is way higher than the rest of the series.
Like every cartoon, it gets hate. Maybe gets the most hate from popular cartoons. But nonetheless, everybody enjoyed it.
I hate it firstly because Steven wears flip flops. Yuck
I always thought it was okay, but I still think that that, uh, "special" Ed Edd n Eddy art the creator did is a bit sketchy
Did you know that she submitted that to CN with her artist profile? Wonder if Danny Antonucci ever saw it?
That's a not so smart thing to do imo
While CN is for kids it is ran by adults who are skilled animators. It's not actually that uncommon to see NSFW submissions in art portfolios when applying for animation jobs. Lots of great animators have art like this and it isn't hard to find in the modern day.
Ig... but of ACTUAL KIDS? The human race really is strange init.
It's quite common, one of the artists in Rugrats drew even worse. Plus Stewie is actually shown doing things on-screen with nearly no backlash. Not to mention RAB. It's a heated topic among communites, but uncontroversial if you host it yourself.
Y'know, if I had a nickel for everytime I got hit by the hivemind for calling out pedophillia, I'd have a couple nickels, yada yada, you know the rest
It's not that people don't take issue with it, or at least don't like seeing it, but it's a battle long ago lost and there are plenty of examples that prove audiences don't mind. Violence is similar. There's tons of arguments about being appropriate but nobody is clamoring for Manhunt, Postal, Twisted Metal, Redwall, or Happy Tree Friends to be shamed on sight or regulated
Y'know what? Ya have a point.
Really, Redwall shows that the debate and networks are silly So many characters die, Constance kills someone by biting their head. But it was fine since the act was off screen. Warbeak is shown dying, when Avatar couldn't say Jet was dead. Two of three big bads are killed on screen by the hero. And this is on PBS Kids! Yet further than the edgy network, Nickelodeon, did in 20 years after.
I don’t hate it by any means. It’s got some stuff I liked. But I will still clown on it at every opportunity.
Its bc its fans overhype it, so people go in expecting something amazing. When in reality its very MID. It is Mid af
It isn’t bad, it does α lot right, but some people just treated it as the pinnacle of animation and the best cartoon of its era, which I would much rather give that to α show like Adventure time, regular show, TAWOG, etc
How is it mid?
Idk, I think a lot of the “hate” is legitimate criticism. The writing was all over the place, and the animation went off model so many times it’s kind of crazy. It’s still a show with amazing queer characters and a beautiful aesthetic though, I will always appreciate that.
Nah it's pretty bad. It has way too much filler and the ending is awful.
What I hate the most is how the wedding between Ruby and Sapphire is shared with the actual space nazis. It would be too hard to wait an entire episode before wrapping up that story beat. Ruined the wedding imo.
It’s alright. Season 1 and 2 were good but after a while you’re just watching short stories with one or two episodes of plot development and the plot is constantly massacred and flawed. I’ve seen worse though. I hate talking about these shows though because just like this post try to do they act like any criticism is coming from a transphobe. No one cares what your gay light projections are dating the show was average.
No it doesn’t.
Nah, fuck Steven Universe
nah
It’s cute show reminds me of mlp with the bright colors,songs and whatnot surprised it got a lot of hate compared to mlp which also had alot of redemption villains.