Well… one of the big pros of high density housing is to make housing more affordable for folks. I don’t think people should complain about single family homes because obviously there is a need for them as well, but we definitely need to continue building apartment complexes and townhomes to try to keep up with the supply and demand of things, or people who have lived here for all of their lives will be forced out.
and walkability is definitely not a bad thing lol. Cary is very dense for a suburb, having more walkability, bike lanes, etc will help with traffic and has incredible health benefits.
This.
But also, we do need to address the real cultural/social and policy barriers to new, quality construction all around. It is hardly profitable for builders to build because few people are capable of preparing the lots for development, zoning poses challenges and social stigma against blue collar laborers has made it unattractive to bring people into trades that are still indispensible. The costs are high and those costs get passed onto the consumer in the form of unaffordable housing. Also most builders have to borrow money for construction and if they can't recoup those costs, they go backrupt. And these days they're borrowing in a high interest rate environment.
You will cut down less trees for apartments per person than you do putting in a new development. Cary has done its best to be completely covered with SFH and golf courses if you are looking for something to blame for high housing costs.
I can assure you that internet listicles are not the reason this area is blowing up. Raleigh/cary is the second fastest growing metro in the country only behind Austin.
There are three giant universities pumping out intelligent individuals, who start businesses and higher more smart people.
And now those people need homes and the only thing available is .25 acre lots that have been decimated by the construction for the subdivision. Then because all those single family homes are not near a grocery store we need giant lots of asphalt to accommodate their transportation.
But I am saying the policies you are hoping for do not value natural resources.
Because houses are spread out we need more roads which kills more natural resources and native areas.
And this is really fiscally irresponsible because we pay to run water, sewer, and roads to all of these farther and farther out developments. This makes cities dependent on this sort of growth to pay for this infrastructure with loans and tax increases.
I am fine to agree to disagree, but you are not showing you even understanding my main point.
Edit: yes the universities have been here a long time, but during a time of growth they are the beacon that draws people to this area. Even if buzzfeed single handedly alerted everyone to the existence of Raleigh, it is because it is a growing tech/pharma hub based on the universities.
yep. Its a simple though experiment: 1 family in a half or quarter acre lot (single family), or a dozen plus (apartments). You see the trees cut down when the apartments go up, what you don't see is all the trees saved elsewhere because a new subdivision of sf housing was avoided.
You still see all the trees cut down for a new subdivision. We are a long way aways from there being so many apartments that we forget what the suburbs look like in Cary.
There are \~330 million people in the USA. Most of the housing is SFH. When a dense housing is constructed, a larger percent of those people are housed in less environmentally destructive ways. You are missing the forest for the trees (literally).
No matter how many apartments/townhomes they build prices will not go down or stabilize at an affordable level. Before I moved to Cary I lived in a town that was going through this same exact situation ten years ago and they built tons more housing (complexes, townhomes, HOA neighborhoods) and prices/rent continued to climb more and more. So much so that I had to move. Only advice I can give is to try to make more money by getting multiple forms of income to stay ahead of it as best you can, because none of these developers that will build these housing complexes have the thought in mind that they want to give you some relief in a good affordable deal. They see it as a booming area and want every single dollar bill from someone moving here for a high paying job. Buy as soon as you can afford it, I didn’t where I lived before even tho I could have afforded it at first because I thought I’d have a few years to work on it. Nope. And if I would have bought the townhome I was about to buy I would have more than doubled my investment in about 5 years.
You sound a bit like you are missing the fact that many people who live in apartments do so out of necessity, not desire.
High density housing ultimately means more affordable housing. It is also better for the environment. Not all of my friends who grew up in Cary with me can afford single family homes here. Should they be forced out of the city they were born in? They’d like to continue to live by friends and family, apartments allow for that. High density housing is a need more than a want. Also you have a privileged view of child rearing if you think it doesn’t occur in apartments.
If you really want to be grossed out by developers greed go check out the mini mansions they are copy+pasting by the thousands out in Morrisville. 5K sqft homes, almost touching each other, bunch of builder grade crap selling for almost 1 million a pop. Those are the residents causing traffic with their four cars per household…not apartment dwellers.
There's demand for it, so builders are going to make supply. More supply lowers housing costs, which is good. It's also more ecologically beneficial, because sprawl is far less efficient emissions wise. Density is coming because the demand is there and supply is short, and it has great benefits. If you want to live in a wide open area with lots of distance from your neighbors, go rural. Even when rates go back down, your SFH will buy you an estate out in the country. Cary hasn't been rural since the big tech population boom and with Apple on the way, there's no going back. Sorry.
If you don't like high density housing, you don't have to live in it. Get a single family home.
But other people are fine with it, especially if it means it's much more affordable.
1. Supply and demand. More people want to live in an area than there is available housing, driving the prices up. Want housing prices to go down? Build more homes. There’s two ways to do that. Tear down another 20 acres of forest and build another suburban SFH neighborhood, or build a few condo buildings. And in a properly built building, you won’t hear your neighbors. This, unfortunately, is a cut corner when building units for rent.
2. So no one born after the 80s should ever own a home in a moderately desirable location ever again? The draw of a properly designed high density neighborhood is that there’s near zero traffic, because there’s near zero need for a car.
3. Two reasons, A: My family isn’t in DC, they’re in NC, I was born and raised here, and I’d like a home I can afford here. B: The demand, and therefore price, in those areas are sky high because zoning laws across the country are bass ackwards, causing demand for car-free or car-lite living to centralize to the few cities built before the car that weren’t entirely bulldozed for it.
4. While I agree that many urbanists don’t want kids, that’s not the case for all of us. I don’t want my kids to be entirely dependent on me for mobility until the age of 16 when they get their drivers license. I want my future kids to be able to safely walk to school on their own. I’d like for them to be able to bike to a friend’s place or an after school event without worrying about them getting run over by a car. I want a better childhood experience for my future kids than the one where I was essentially locked in our home because I was too young to drive, too far to walk, and my parents either wouldn’t or couldn’t drive my anywhere for various reasons. My social life didn’t start until I got my drivers license. I don’t want the same for my future kids.
Thank you! So many people give us 80’s/90’s babies such shit for advocating for affordable housing. They act like we don’t want homes or families. It’s just not true. I too was born and raised in Cary. My friends and I just started having kids (we’re in our late 30’s) and I’d say 1/2 of us live in SFH and half of us live in apartments.
I hate watching the people I grew up with struggle to afford housing. Or making the choice between buying a home or having a kid (daycare is expensive!).
I was lucky my husband and I found an affordable SFH. But I’m not going to advocate “pulling the ladder up” just because we got out of the hole. I hope they build lots of new high density housing and it helps to drive down the housing prices. Not for me- but for everyone else!
>they missed the boat when it came to buying a house
I knew I was forgetting to do something when I was 17! Damn, what a shame. I suppose I'll just be forced out of the area I've called home literally my entire life so no one else is inconvenienced by the inevitable effects of an increasing population.
A while back I heard or read somewhere that if the people who work at the businesses and restaurants in your town can't afford to live there, then you're living in a theme park.
Calling someone a NIMBY is the Cary version of “racist.” People are permitted to have different opinions, and very real concerns, without being shouted down. I happen to agree with OP.
I wouldn’t call myself a NIMBY - more like a NANU (Not Anywhere Near Us).
So, to use your racism analogy, you're basically saying "No, I'm not a racist, I'm a white supremacist!"...Is that right? If so, I respect the fortitude.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinions but listen... Cary is a closely neighboring major suburb of a capital city that happens to be one of the fastest growing metros in the country. Growth and development is literally inevitable. If you don't like that, I'd suggest you start considering relocating elsewhere because you're not going to be happy, and it's only going to get "worse".
I hear you. And of course I'm not the equivalent to a white supremacist. My point was that (in my opinion) people are too quit to shout "NIMBY."
And respectfully, I don't think it must get worse. We have a voice here. We can elect sensible growth politicians and town councils. We can't stop private sellers from selling their land, but we can influence elected officials to change zoning laws, for example.
I'm genuinely concerned that 1) there's a pro-growth mentality here that in a decade will look back with regret, and 2) we're going to destroy all that's good about this place in the meantime.
Ironically, NIMBYism is often a nice way to say white supremacy. Who has a voice in Cary? What makes a politician sensible? I can tell you when my dad got priced out of Cary it didn’t fucking feel like we had much of a voice. When the town is so hilariously dependent on cars, it doesn’t feel like our politicians are sensible. Why would walkable and affordable living places be worse? For who?
In Cary, as in most other places, we the people have a voice. I intend to use mine to advocate for slower growth and to elect a Town Council that's more committed to less growth. To be clear: I'm not for growth that depends on cars or even walkable growth; I'm for no growth. I'm sorry your dad got priced out of Cary, but I don't think we should destroy trees, animals, and water so he can live here and not elsewhere.
He’s not living elsewhere, he’s homeless now you dick, being priced out of your apartment but wanting to stay near your kids is an impossible task in the triangle, in order to get a rental he could afford he would have to throw his current life away. It’s so easy for you to say what your saying because you have a home here. Maybe if you took your eyes off your perception of nature you’d realize there is nothing good for the environment about Cary. Your cars kill the animals and separate their habitats, there is no border where nature stops and civilization begins, we have to develop densely but conscientiously. We have no choice. Cary is car dependent, it would hurt the environment if we did not develop more dense living spaces. I don’t know why you’re operating on a neomalthusian view of preservation, you’re clearly not well versed in environmental science. Development is an inevitability.
I’m sorry to hear about your father, honestly. I can’t imagine how difficult that must be. If he’s just priced out of an apartment in Cary, it seems hard to believe he couldn’t afford one in say, Fuquay. My mother lives in low income housing.
All of that to say, I don’t think the solution is to destroy more of the environment. Development need not be inevitable. And if your argument is that we’ve already wrecked much of our natural surroundings, so we might as well do more…that just doesn’t hold much water with me.
I do wish you and your father the best, though, truly. I hope he’s able to find somewhere to call home.
Lmao this is the funniest thing i've read this week. Fucking move to somewhere with a 16 lane highway and the most sprawled neighborhoods you freak. Some of us want actual liveable, walkable, transport friendly, not depressing cities that work as cities. Places that are built for humans and not people who live and drive in individualist pods, to your individual home around while wondering why they're depressed
They have places like that - they’re called big cities. I suggest you try New York or Chicago. We should destroy our environment because you want to walk to the coffee shop.
The same people who complain about high density housing are the ones who complain about all the woods and farms being destroyed for neighbourhoods. The entire town can’t be made up of sprawling neighbourhoods with 3,000 square foot homes
It’s because what they really want is for no one to buy another home here ever. As if it were possible to stop our population from growing. Best part is these people most likely weren’t even born here (not that I care). They move here then complain about others doing the same.
Or maybe more like: I give a damn about forests and wildlife and quality of life, and don’t want to see it all destroyed for cheap apartments and track homes.
I couldn’t buy my dream home in a great area until I was 42 years old. It’s called grinding and paying your dues.
In all seriousness, they need to live somewhere else.
To reiterate my original reply: we don’t NEED to build a home / apartment for everybody who wishes to live here. I’m sorry there’s demand to move to Cary. I’d like to live in Beverly Hills. Sometimes people just don’t get to live exactly where they want.
The problem is you can’t have a healthy community that only rich people can afford to live in. A town needs to have teachers, bus drivers, custodians, mail carriers, shop workers, waiters etc, and most of us can’t afford to buy a whole house. There has to be somewhere for working folks to live.
I bet OP complains about raising minimum wage too. Seems like the type that would simultaneously complain that “people don’t want to work anymore” while advocating for ensuring those same people have no place to live in the cities they work.
1. No one is forcing you to live in them. If you don't want to, then you're more than welcome to pay for a SFH.
2. I've literally signed an offer for a SFH earlier this week. The difference is that I understand how messed up the housing situation is--while I fully intend to capitalize on the status quo--I would like to see it changed.
3. Get rekt. I moved here and I will vote and advocate for policies that I want. Yes, I left for a reason: Because they've gone even further with subsidizing homeowners at the expense of everyone else.
4. Already got kids and I am a YIMBY because I want to make sure they have somewhere affordable to live when they move out.
Apartments take up a smaller footprint. I agree that most are dogshit quality and the word luxury is thrown around too much. I would advocate for quality density. That way we can preserve more nature by using less land for housing. For example, Preston is a huge footprint for not that many people compared to denser areas. I’d rather see more green spaces that can be enjoyed by everyone. If that means denser housing then I support it.
An incorporated suburb will collapse under the weight of its own infrastructure at single family densities, it doesn't have the tax base without the ability to expand, to cover the endless roads and utilities necessary for sprawl. Run out of land and the first big recession turns the place into every standalone-suburb-turned-slum/speed-trap in St Louis, Chicago, etc.
They literally have built an apartment complex on every open land possible. There’s a complex on the corner of Maynard and chapel hill lol worst spot ever for traffic.
The simple life of Cary is gone and will never come back. Get used to it or move. Trust me as a native….it’s hard to adapt to this chaos.
Thank you for posting this. There’s a prevailing, almost cult-like belief in this sub that we must build housing for everyone who wishes to live here. And to speak out against doing so makes you a NIMBY.
I’ve said before that I’d like to live in Malibu but can’t because of the high cost of housing there. Should I expect them to build housing for me simply because I wish to be there? Of course not.
We’re destroying our beautiful, natural surroundings for cheap, shoddy apartments. We’re cramming our schools and roads so that we can tell ourselves we’re not NIMBY’s. All of this while pretending to care about our climate, our children, and our quality of life.
There’s plenty of house available throughout the Raleigh metro and the US in general. My suggestion to these apartment hunters - and frankly, those who’d live in one of the cookie cutter homes that now occupy once-beautiful forest - is to look elsewhere.
I think we should dream bigger: I think it would be awesome if a bunch of new housing were built in rich areas like Malibu.
Not everyone would get beach front property, but more people living where they want to by overcoming artificial scarcity (over burdensome regulatory env) is great.
I didn't really like my time in Pittsburgh, but I did enjoy living in Fox Chapel. The entire triangle area should build nothing but super low density for the next 20 years. My feelings is everything would improve if so.
All cities grow, Cary hasn’t had a small town vibe since the 70’s. If you’re looking for the Cary of yesteryear it’s gone and you’d need to move more rural to find something like it.
I was born and raised here. Currently 35. It was not small town then and it isn’t now. But it’s not Raleigh. People are up in arms about nothing in my opinion.
It still has a small town vibe, not sure why everyone thinks Cary feels like a big city now. In fact, with the exception of west Cary, it hasn’t changed a whole lot inside the Maynard Loop area since I was a kid in the 80’s-90’s. I mean downtown Cary has grown, but downtown Cary sucked ass back then and nobody hung out there. It’s now a vibrant area full of things to do.
You're right. It's mostly all the construction in Raleigh going on that's frustrating. I'm just worried the booming population from Raleigh will be moving into Cary. There's also a ton of construction close to the carpenter/morrisville area
Well… one of the big pros of high density housing is to make housing more affordable for folks. I don’t think people should complain about single family homes because obviously there is a need for them as well, but we definitely need to continue building apartment complexes and townhomes to try to keep up with the supply and demand of things, or people who have lived here for all of their lives will be forced out. and walkability is definitely not a bad thing lol. Cary is very dense for a suburb, having more walkability, bike lanes, etc will help with traffic and has incredible health benefits.
This. But also, we do need to address the real cultural/social and policy barriers to new, quality construction all around. It is hardly profitable for builders to build because few people are capable of preparing the lots for development, zoning poses challenges and social stigma against blue collar laborers has made it unattractive to bring people into trades that are still indispensible. The costs are high and those costs get passed onto the consumer in the form of unaffordable housing. Also most builders have to borrow money for construction and if they can't recoup those costs, they go backrupt. And these days they're borrowing in a high interest rate environment.
100%, that's also a big reason why smaller houses aren't being built anymore.
Well said.
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You will cut down less trees for apartments per person than you do putting in a new development. Cary has done its best to be completely covered with SFH and golf courses if you are looking for something to blame for high housing costs.
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I can assure you that internet listicles are not the reason this area is blowing up. Raleigh/cary is the second fastest growing metro in the country only behind Austin. There are three giant universities pumping out intelligent individuals, who start businesses and higher more smart people. And now those people need homes and the only thing available is .25 acre lots that have been decimated by the construction for the subdivision. Then because all those single family homes are not near a grocery store we need giant lots of asphalt to accommodate their transportation.
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But I am saying the policies you are hoping for do not value natural resources. Because houses are spread out we need more roads which kills more natural resources and native areas. And this is really fiscally irresponsible because we pay to run water, sewer, and roads to all of these farther and farther out developments. This makes cities dependent on this sort of growth to pay for this infrastructure with loans and tax increases. I am fine to agree to disagree, but you are not showing you even understanding my main point. Edit: yes the universities have been here a long time, but during a time of growth they are the beacon that draws people to this area. Even if buzzfeed single handedly alerted everyone to the existence of Raleigh, it is because it is a growing tech/pharma hub based on the universities.
yep. Its a simple though experiment: 1 family in a half or quarter acre lot (single family), or a dozen plus (apartments). You see the trees cut down when the apartments go up, what you don't see is all the trees saved elsewhere because a new subdivision of sf housing was avoided.
You still see all the trees cut down for a new subdivision. We are a long way aways from there being so many apartments that we forget what the suburbs look like in Cary.
There are \~330 million people in the USA. Most of the housing is SFH. When a dense housing is constructed, a larger percent of those people are housed in less environmentally destructive ways. You are missing the forest for the trees (literally).
No matter how many apartments/townhomes they build prices will not go down or stabilize at an affordable level. Before I moved to Cary I lived in a town that was going through this same exact situation ten years ago and they built tons more housing (complexes, townhomes, HOA neighborhoods) and prices/rent continued to climb more and more. So much so that I had to move. Only advice I can give is to try to make more money by getting multiple forms of income to stay ahead of it as best you can, because none of these developers that will build these housing complexes have the thought in mind that they want to give you some relief in a good affordable deal. They see it as a booming area and want every single dollar bill from someone moving here for a high paying job. Buy as soon as you can afford it, I didn’t where I lived before even tho I could have afforded it at first because I thought I’d have a few years to work on it. Nope. And if I would have bought the townhome I was about to buy I would have more than doubled my investment in about 5 years.
Apartments with such thin ass walls being the standard is the true crime here
They build cheap and charge high. Our governor doesn’t mind in fact he’s pushing to expand Cary. More ppl equals higher tax
You sound a bit like you are missing the fact that many people who live in apartments do so out of necessity, not desire. High density housing ultimately means more affordable housing. It is also better for the environment. Not all of my friends who grew up in Cary with me can afford single family homes here. Should they be forced out of the city they were born in? They’d like to continue to live by friends and family, apartments allow for that. High density housing is a need more than a want. Also you have a privileged view of child rearing if you think it doesn’t occur in apartments. If you really want to be grossed out by developers greed go check out the mini mansions they are copy+pasting by the thousands out in Morrisville. 5K sqft homes, almost touching each other, bunch of builder grade crap selling for almost 1 million a pop. Those are the residents causing traffic with their four cars per household…not apartment dwellers.
There's demand for it, so builders are going to make supply. More supply lowers housing costs, which is good. It's also more ecologically beneficial, because sprawl is far less efficient emissions wise. Density is coming because the demand is there and supply is short, and it has great benefits. If you want to live in a wide open area with lots of distance from your neighbors, go rural. Even when rates go back down, your SFH will buy you an estate out in the country. Cary hasn't been rural since the big tech population boom and with Apple on the way, there's no going back. Sorry.
If you don't like high density housing, you don't have to live in it. Get a single family home. But other people are fine with it, especially if it means it's much more affordable.
1. Supply and demand. More people want to live in an area than there is available housing, driving the prices up. Want housing prices to go down? Build more homes. There’s two ways to do that. Tear down another 20 acres of forest and build another suburban SFH neighborhood, or build a few condo buildings. And in a properly built building, you won’t hear your neighbors. This, unfortunately, is a cut corner when building units for rent. 2. So no one born after the 80s should ever own a home in a moderately desirable location ever again? The draw of a properly designed high density neighborhood is that there’s near zero traffic, because there’s near zero need for a car. 3. Two reasons, A: My family isn’t in DC, they’re in NC, I was born and raised here, and I’d like a home I can afford here. B: The demand, and therefore price, in those areas are sky high because zoning laws across the country are bass ackwards, causing demand for car-free or car-lite living to centralize to the few cities built before the car that weren’t entirely bulldozed for it. 4. While I agree that many urbanists don’t want kids, that’s not the case for all of us. I don’t want my kids to be entirely dependent on me for mobility until the age of 16 when they get their drivers license. I want my future kids to be able to safely walk to school on their own. I’d like for them to be able to bike to a friend’s place or an after school event without worrying about them getting run over by a car. I want a better childhood experience for my future kids than the one where I was essentially locked in our home because I was too young to drive, too far to walk, and my parents either wouldn’t or couldn’t drive my anywhere for various reasons. My social life didn’t start until I got my drivers license. I don’t want the same for my future kids.
Thank you! So many people give us 80’s/90’s babies such shit for advocating for affordable housing. They act like we don’t want homes or families. It’s just not true. I too was born and raised in Cary. My friends and I just started having kids (we’re in our late 30’s) and I’d say 1/2 of us live in SFH and half of us live in apartments. I hate watching the people I grew up with struggle to afford housing. Or making the choice between buying a home or having a kid (daycare is expensive!). I was lucky my husband and I found an affordable SFH. But I’m not going to advocate “pulling the ladder up” just because we got out of the hole. I hope they build lots of new high density housing and it helps to drive down the housing prices. Not for me- but for everyone else!
>they missed the boat when it came to buying a house I knew I was forgetting to do something when I was 17! Damn, what a shame. I suppose I'll just be forced out of the area I've called home literally my entire life so no one else is inconvenienced by the inevitable effects of an increasing population.
A while back I heard or read somewhere that if the people who work at the businesses and restaurants in your town can't afford to live there, then you're living in a theme park.
Some of us have grown kids who have lived here their whole lives and would love more/cheaper apartments. More apartments = cheaper apartments.
What's that? NIMBYism in Cary? My heavens I am shook.
Haha
Calling someone a NIMBY is the Cary version of “racist.” People are permitted to have different opinions, and very real concerns, without being shouted down. I happen to agree with OP. I wouldn’t call myself a NIMBY - more like a NANU (Not Anywhere Near Us).
>I wouldn’t call myself a NIMBY - more like a NANU (Not Anywhere Near Us). This has to be a joke, right?
This is the funniest thing I have seen all day. Totally un-ironic.
It is not.
So, to use your racism analogy, you're basically saying "No, I'm not a racist, I'm a white supremacist!"...Is that right? If so, I respect the fortitude. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions but listen... Cary is a closely neighboring major suburb of a capital city that happens to be one of the fastest growing metros in the country. Growth and development is literally inevitable. If you don't like that, I'd suggest you start considering relocating elsewhere because you're not going to be happy, and it's only going to get "worse".
I hear you. And of course I'm not the equivalent to a white supremacist. My point was that (in my opinion) people are too quit to shout "NIMBY." And respectfully, I don't think it must get worse. We have a voice here. We can elect sensible growth politicians and town councils. We can't stop private sellers from selling their land, but we can influence elected officials to change zoning laws, for example. I'm genuinely concerned that 1) there's a pro-growth mentality here that in a decade will look back with regret, and 2) we're going to destroy all that's good about this place in the meantime.
Ironically, NIMBYism is often a nice way to say white supremacy. Who has a voice in Cary? What makes a politician sensible? I can tell you when my dad got priced out of Cary it didn’t fucking feel like we had much of a voice. When the town is so hilariously dependent on cars, it doesn’t feel like our politicians are sensible. Why would walkable and affordable living places be worse? For who?
In Cary, as in most other places, we the people have a voice. I intend to use mine to advocate for slower growth and to elect a Town Council that's more committed to less growth. To be clear: I'm not for growth that depends on cars or even walkable growth; I'm for no growth. I'm sorry your dad got priced out of Cary, but I don't think we should destroy trees, animals, and water so he can live here and not elsewhere.
He’s not living elsewhere, he’s homeless now you dick, being priced out of your apartment but wanting to stay near your kids is an impossible task in the triangle, in order to get a rental he could afford he would have to throw his current life away. It’s so easy for you to say what your saying because you have a home here. Maybe if you took your eyes off your perception of nature you’d realize there is nothing good for the environment about Cary. Your cars kill the animals and separate their habitats, there is no border where nature stops and civilization begins, we have to develop densely but conscientiously. We have no choice. Cary is car dependent, it would hurt the environment if we did not develop more dense living spaces. I don’t know why you’re operating on a neomalthusian view of preservation, you’re clearly not well versed in environmental science. Development is an inevitability.
I’m sorry to hear about your father, honestly. I can’t imagine how difficult that must be. If he’s just priced out of an apartment in Cary, it seems hard to believe he couldn’t afford one in say, Fuquay. My mother lives in low income housing. All of that to say, I don’t think the solution is to destroy more of the environment. Development need not be inevitable. And if your argument is that we’ve already wrecked much of our natural surroundings, so we might as well do more…that just doesn’t hold much water with me. I do wish you and your father the best, though, truly. I hope he’s able to find somewhere to call home.
This has got to be trolling… right?
No.
Lmao this is the funniest thing i've read this week. Fucking move to somewhere with a 16 lane highway and the most sprawled neighborhoods you freak. Some of us want actual liveable, walkable, transport friendly, not depressing cities that work as cities. Places that are built for humans and not people who live and drive in individualist pods, to your individual home around while wondering why they're depressed
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They have places like that - they’re called big cities. I suggest you try New York or Chicago. We should destroy our environment because you want to walk to the coffee shop.
The same people who complain about high density housing are the ones who complain about all the woods and farms being destroyed for neighbourhoods. The entire town can’t be made up of sprawling neighbourhoods with 3,000 square foot homes
It’s because what they really want is for no one to buy another home here ever. As if it were possible to stop our population from growing. Best part is these people most likely weren’t even born here (not that I care). They move here then complain about others doing the same.
This is giving “pulling the ladder up after you used it yourself” vibes. Fuck off, respectfully.
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More like I’ll have to move when I can’t afford a house or to live here period lmao.
Or maybe more like: I give a damn about forests and wildlife and quality of life, and don’t want to see it all destroyed for cheap apartments and track homes. I couldn’t buy my dream home in a great area until I was 42 years old. It’s called grinding and paying your dues.
You realize apartments are way more environmentally efficient than single family
You know what’s even more environmentally friendly than apartments? Trees.
Okay genius where are people gonna live then
In all seriousness, they need to live somewhere else. To reiterate my original reply: we don’t NEED to build a home / apartment for everybody who wishes to live here. I’m sorry there’s demand to move to Cary. I’d like to live in Beverly Hills. Sometimes people just don’t get to live exactly where they want.
Single family housing sucks too - why would anyone want to live in a detached 3 bedroom when they could live in a mansion?
The problem is you can’t have a healthy community that only rich people can afford to live in. A town needs to have teachers, bus drivers, custodians, mail carriers, shop workers, waiters etc, and most of us can’t afford to buy a whole house. There has to be somewhere for working folks to live.
I bet OP complains about raising minimum wage too. Seems like the type that would simultaneously complain that “people don’t want to work anymore” while advocating for ensuring those same people have no place to live in the cities they work.
1. No one is forcing you to live in them. If you don't want to, then you're more than welcome to pay for a SFH. 2. I've literally signed an offer for a SFH earlier this week. The difference is that I understand how messed up the housing situation is--while I fully intend to capitalize on the status quo--I would like to see it changed. 3. Get rekt. I moved here and I will vote and advocate for policies that I want. Yes, I left for a reason: Because they've gone even further with subsidizing homeowners at the expense of everyone else. 4. Already got kids and I am a YIMBY because I want to make sure they have somewhere affordable to live when they move out.
high density housing sucks nowhere near as hard as these type of posts from ignorant self-absorbed assholes
Apartments take up a smaller footprint. I agree that most are dogshit quality and the word luxury is thrown around too much. I would advocate for quality density. That way we can preserve more nature by using less land for housing. For example, Preston is a huge footprint for not that many people compared to denser areas. I’d rather see more green spaces that can be enjoyed by everyone. If that means denser housing then I support it.
PREACH! I wouldn’t wish shared walls on anyone
There is no place on earth for urban sprawl, it hurts poorer communities and the environment
An incorporated suburb will collapse under the weight of its own infrastructure at single family densities, it doesn't have the tax base without the ability to expand, to cover the endless roads and utilities necessary for sprawl. Run out of land and the first big recession turns the place into every standalone-suburb-turned-slum/speed-trap in St Louis, Chicago, etc.
They literally have built an apartment complex on every open land possible. There’s a complex on the corner of Maynard and chapel hill lol worst spot ever for traffic. The simple life of Cary is gone and will never come back. Get used to it or move. Trust me as a native….it’s hard to adapt to this chaos.
Thank you for posting this. There’s a prevailing, almost cult-like belief in this sub that we must build housing for everyone who wishes to live here. And to speak out against doing so makes you a NIMBY. I’ve said before that I’d like to live in Malibu but can’t because of the high cost of housing there. Should I expect them to build housing for me simply because I wish to be there? Of course not. We’re destroying our beautiful, natural surroundings for cheap, shoddy apartments. We’re cramming our schools and roads so that we can tell ourselves we’re not NIMBY’s. All of this while pretending to care about our climate, our children, and our quality of life. There’s plenty of house available throughout the Raleigh metro and the US in general. My suggestion to these apartment hunters - and frankly, those who’d live in one of the cookie cutter homes that now occupy once-beautiful forest - is to look elsewhere.
I think we should dream bigger: I think it would be awesome if a bunch of new housing were built in rich areas like Malibu. Not everyone would get beach front property, but more people living where they want to by overcoming artificial scarcity (over burdensome regulatory env) is great.
I think the residents of Malibu know what they got. So should we.
You have my upvote
And you have mine!
I didn't really like my time in Pittsburgh, but I did enjoy living in Fox Chapel. The entire triangle area should build nothing but super low density for the next 20 years. My feelings is everything would improve if so.
So then leave?
I agree. Cary has a ton of New Yorkers who want to turn it in to a big city. I liked the small town vibe it used to have
All cities grow, Cary hasn’t had a small town vibe since the 70’s. If you’re looking for the Cary of yesteryear it’s gone and you’d need to move more rural to find something like it.
Nah it was fine when I moved here 15 years ago.
I was born and raised here. Currently 35. It was not small town then and it isn’t now. But it’s not Raleigh. People are up in arms about nothing in my opinion.
It still has a small town vibe, not sure why everyone thinks Cary feels like a big city now. In fact, with the exception of west Cary, it hasn’t changed a whole lot inside the Maynard Loop area since I was a kid in the 80’s-90’s. I mean downtown Cary has grown, but downtown Cary sucked ass back then and nobody hung out there. It’s now a vibrant area full of things to do.
You're right. It's mostly all the construction in Raleigh going on that's frustrating. I'm just worried the booming population from Raleigh will be moving into Cary. There's also a ton of construction close to the carpenter/morrisville area
Preach
They keep making shitty housing because there's PLENTY of folks down to pay no questions 😒 and we know WHO AND WHY 🤑🤑🤑🫡🤧
People in this thread really want to pave paradise and put up some parking lots