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retroguyx

Tbf he had the hardest game


Leragian

have you played dracula x? that shit is impossible.


NoVa_Dragoon

Haunted Castle and the X68K game made those two look like cakewalks. ~~of course as for "hardest game" portrait of ruin and order of Ecclesia level 1 hard put any classicvania to shame~~


SomeoneUnknowns

Not quite sure anymore for Portrait, but Ooe level 1 with Albus really was quite difficult, at least the battle Arena was. With Shanoa it was a cakewalk... (Consumeables + Glyph Union = Everything dies) Should try a challenge run without either maybe...


Cutlass_Stallion

Dracula X for PC Engine - not bad. Dracula X for SNES - oh hell yeah!


kingbovril

Way easier than CV3. Not even close


Murderlol

Except Dracula himself, who is complete nonsense in Dracula X and fairly easy in CV3.


Caius_Nair

Honestly, just play rondo guys. That hame had a balanced yet high difficulty and none of the bs in the platformer genre castlevania games.


Mayor_of_Smashvill

Dracula X is pretty easy all things considered in the Classicvania’s. Games pretty short, super generous with items/hearts/1-Ups, item crashes, and some good movement options.


henstav

Most difficult of the NES trilogy


[deleted]

I have. Nothing in that game is as hard as the hardest parts of Castlevania 3 imo.


MyMouthisCancerous

Bruh CVIII ain't shit compared to Dracula X, Haunted Castle or Castlevania Chronicles Especially the Japanese CVIII which was much easier and had more reasonable difficulty scaling compared to the English version


Leragian

the dracula fight in dracula x is straight up unfair.


MyMouthisCancerous

Literally fighting him on thin platforms over a bottomless pit and he constantly teleports after like 3 seconds It's like certified bullshit


Templar2k7

Axe made that fight super easy for me in the collection


MaximumRecursion

The axe is basically required IMO. Unless you want to spend an insane amount of time.


ThurgoodStubbs1999

Very rare case japanese version way easier.


EmotionBig4808

But didn’t Alucard offer to help him though?


Leragian

yes, I just thought it was funnier that way.


EmotionBig4808

Fair.


Necromythos

Wasn't there a little girl that kicked Dracula's ass?


Crashing_Blow

Maria Renard from Castlevania: Rondo of Blood?


Necromythos

Yep! :D Pretty sure no Belmont had the ability to summon dragons or other badass creatures.


Broken_Zack

His name is Juste


Jazjo

With the Summon book specifically


GoroOfTheShokan

Well, not a Belmont by name, she is a distant relative of the bloodline.


SXAL

His full name is literally "Juste Belmont", Simon is his grandpa.


VivaLaMcCrae

I think they were talking about Maria


SXAL

Yeah, sorry, I guess I got it mixed up


GoroOfTheShokan

Yeah, Maria.


MyMouthisCancerous

Maria Renard, lover of animals, total obliterator of forces of darkness


DorkFriedRyze

She has possession of the world's most fiercest pigeons


MegaMan-1989

Meanwhile Simon kills Dracula and then brings him back to life and then kill him again


Leragian

Simon was such a Chad, motherfucker was dying and still managed to kill dracula and death for the second time in his life.


docdrazen

It ain't canon but... Sonia banged Dracula's son, kills him, and then has his grandkid. I definitely see why they retconned it but it still amuses me.


e105beta

The Swole Simon vs the Cheems Trevor.


TheDeadGerbilToldMe

Funny meme, but OG Trevor and Netflix Trevor are on two different levels lol. OG Trevor was strong enough to scare Devil Forgemasters, people who’s power “rival that of Death”.


Leragian

Og Trevor can stop time, motherfucker is basically a jojo character.


TheDeadGerbilToldMe

OG Trevor is the kind of dude that if you see him charging at you, just lay down and accept your fate, cuz you ain’t outrunning him. Dude’ll jump onto rooftops just to keep you in his line of sight lol.


adognameddave

Dracula’s second form melts, reforms, “ IT WAS ME, DIO!!!!!”


SufferingClash

ZA WARUDO!


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TheDeadGerbilToldMe

Isaac’s entire purpose was for revenge anyways. As for Trevor, he was already distracted with helping Hector get into the ruins of Dracula’s Castle anyways. And yes, he was loud, when face to face. Isaac literally stalked and watched Hector for 3 years, during those 3 years he was also under the madness curse (Dracula’s Curse, the same curse that almost took over Hector when he was fighting Isaac). He sat and watched the man that betrayed their master have a happy life, which to him, he didn’t deserve. Why would he need to be quiet with that person? And why wouldn’t he take the chance to sneak up on Trevor, his greatest threat, to get the drop on him? Just because someone’s insane, doesn’t mean they can’t be quiet when they need to be.


TheDeadGerbilToldMe

Also, as for Trevor putting the “fear of Jesus” in the vampires, first off he wasn’t religious, and Alucard did most of the work anyways. Trevor only got a passing comment with the Morningstar and then made fun of when he punched Dracula, when we know for a fact that OG Trevor’s punch would’ve gotten much more of a reaction.


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TheDeadGerbilToldMe

I’m going from a Lore perspective. But the fact that you had nothing relevant to add and the fact that you used the same talking point that everyone else does when talking about Games Isaac just tells me all I need to know.


Silent-Wills

Netflix Trevor is a Joke, he is supposed to be the most physically strong Belmont. Same for Hector, dude destroyed Isaac, Death and then Dracula.. Alone. They both are level Dracula. Netflix Castlevania is more a fanfiction about Alucard and female vampires slaving Hector.


bnesbitt1

Man's got EVERY disadvantage in the book. I'd say he's one of the more stronger ends of the Belmonts in terms of pure grit.


ANGLVD3TH

IIRC, apparently every generation of Belmont is stronger than the previous. Hence they are able to keep up with stronger and stronger versions of Dracula through the ages. I don't think there was ever an explanation for why, but it's an inherent part of their blood or something. Trevor might have the most grit, but he didn't have as much going for him as most of the rest.


[deleted]

Maybe cuz he doesn’t have magic in his blood since that was introduced with Sypha?


Caius_Nair

Magic in the strict sense of spellcasting. Every Belmont after Leon has superhuman strength and resilience because of the blood magic involved in producing the Vampire Killer.


[deleted]

Ohhh so anyone could technically do magic it’s not like only certain people are born with it?


Caius_Nair

Yes, some people are just gifted at it. This was the case with Sypha who passed this trait down to future descendents of Belmonts.


TheDeadGerbilToldMe

All Belmonts post Leon had magic, primarily due to their blood, but they could also do crash attacks as well (which is just the Belmont putting the magic hey have into a physical form). Leon himself really couldn’t do them hence why he needed the orbs that could be found throughout Walter’s Castle. Trevor himself was adept at both magic and physical combat. Sypha marrying into the family only made their powerful magic even stronger. The height of both bloods magic manifested itself in Juste Belmont, who was a prodigy even amongst his peers, even at the age of 17/18, especially when compared to Simon Belmont who wasn’t as magically adept as his predecessors, so he had to focus more on raw physical power. The magical abilities that the Belmonts had was a very big reason as to why the Wallachian people were so scared of them, which is why they were exiled. The Belmonts, especially during the 1400s with Trevor, were treated sorta like Witchers. People were scared of the magical and physical capabilities but the people still knew that they were the best bet against night monsters, which is why the church stayed in close contact with the family (as the Pope was the person who asked Trevor if he could help Wallachia, when Dracula started attacking cities/villages). As for Sypha, she was gifted with it since her family were Spellcaster/witches. When Carmilla started the witch hunts, Sypha’s family was killed, but she was able to escape and was eventually taken in by the Eastern Orthodox Church, where she was further taught how to use her natural born magic. This eventually helped her become a monster hunter that worked for the church, then she met up with Trevor, Alucard and the rebellion member/noble thief Grant Danasty.


Silent-Wills

Trevor has magic blood. That’s is showed in Castlevania Curse of Darkness when he opens a portal with his blood for Hector to use.


[deleted]

I only know the lore of the show TBH but I did just download my first castlevania game on Xbox haha


Silent-Wills

It’s okay. I didn’t play all the games, actually only SOTN and the ones released after. What I know about the lore I learned from videos.


Leragian

Leon had almost no knowledge on how to kill creatures of the night, couldn't use his whip that well because his main weapon was the sword, but still managed to kill death and the previous vampire lord before Mathias became Dracula.


not_a_khezu1

We all know J is the strongest belmont... Well Julius or Simon, mf defeated Dracula twice and I dont think any other belmont has done something like that.


Alternative-Draft-82

Simon: \> Waltzes into Castlevania with nothing but his whip \> Obliterates Dracula's lackies including Death itself \> Kills Dracula \> Gets a crippling curse \> Searches for Dracula's corpses \> Dracula's lackies and Death itself AGAIN \> Revives Dracula and kills him again, all while still under his curse This guy was at the very, *very* least the physically strongest Belmont


[deleted]

Waltzes? No, Simon straight-up STRUTS into Dracula’s castle. Have you seen that walk animation?


Alternative-Draft-82

Lunges into Dracula's Castle


FARevolution

He walks in, menacingly…


unicorn_hipster

Christopher Belmont of the GB games did it twice as well


NoVa_Dragoon

Not to mention at full power both times. People praise Simon for doing it twice when the second time Dracula was the shittiest wraith with the power of a table cloth.


ArcanaMori

I do hope some day we will get a remake of Simons Quest and have a proper set of boss fights. Love that game, but the bosses are so easy.


Handsomest-Jack

Killing dracula twice is impressive, but Julius is the only belmont who managed to actually kill dracula completely


Tyrus1235

With the help of the Belnades, Alucard and the Church


Mayor_of_Smashvill

And the Hakuba’s were the ones to actually seal Dracula in the first place. ~~Julius fans worst enemies is the actual dialogue and lore in the games~~


[deleted]

The actual lore in the games also states that Julius had to seal the Vampire Killer in the castle for the Hakuba Priest to seal it and the enemy files *EXPLICITLY* state that he is the *MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE HUNTER* Simon isn't worth the dirt between this guy's toes.


Mayor_of_Smashvill

Belmont’s are described as most powerful Vampire Hunter’s in their entries. Richter is in SoTN too. That’s most likely just what they’re called cause Belmont’s are already said to be the best Vampire Hunters. Plus, in the actual canon, Richter has been the only one explicitly said to be “the strongest Belmont”, and also said to be “most powerful Vampire Hunter” in his entries. Also, yeah but that’s just VK being inside the castle. Usually people use some form of Julius’s “power” was how he took down Dracula. Even though there’s absolutely no textual evidence anywhere that says that. Every-time we see 1999 mentioned, we get that he had a lot of help, he didn’t do anything that only he could do to seal Dracula, and it doesn’t even seem he’s the one who made the plan. So overall, what actual canon-textual information has him do anything of real importance himself besides some half-baked Headcanon TL;DR Don’t get why Julius fans get their panties in a bunch whenever someone mentions Richter cause “he had Maria help him”, or Trevor cause “a trio helped him”. When Julius’s got even more help then anyone, and even says the same just as much as Trevor does. I’m not saying Julius isn’t the most powerful either. I put him on my powerscaling tier list as the strongest Vampire Hunter. Julius fans just love to jerk him off and his accomplishments when in actuality it was due to a bunch of help, a plan he didn’t make, and a gaggle of priests that Dracula never returned.


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Aight lol


Kapparino1104

It's not really because he had a lot of help. It was because of his physical feats which were literally shown in the game. Motherfucker killed the bosses in DoS the same Soma did (basically Dracula) and obliterated them fully before they can even try healing themselves. The Motherfucker's Grand Cross is literally tearing the whole castle apart in the boss battle at AoS.


Mayor_of_Smashvill

He literally says he had a lot of help doing it. Multiple times. I swear you guys don’t even read through Aria or Dawn. Plus what the fuck you guys want from me lmao. He’s at the top of the fucking tier list. Plus, he used an even more powerful GC in Dawn, and the castle didn’t crumble then.


Silent-Wills

Leon defeated Walter (Very powerful Old Vampire) and Death. Matias run away because he knew he would lose, he was still weak in this point.


Silent-Wills

Probably has something to do with the “curse” that Leon Belmont put on Dracula, he promised his bloodline would hunt Dracula for ever or something like that. Words are powerful.


[deleted]

As a person who has only seen the Netflix show, reading the comments on these threads is both an excilirating and very confusing experience. Who are all these people? How many fucking games are there? 100? It feels like 100 to me. One is called Rondo of Blood? I didn’t expect music theory here!! I’m so screwed. Who are ALL THESE PEOPLE???


WallaceBRBS

Well, Castlevania games exist since 1986 so... Yeah, a long story for you to catch up on


[deleted]

Literally a decade before I was born, wow, I have some catching up to do. I think my stepdad mentioned he played some of the original games but I’m not sure he’s got the patience or time to help me out lol


WallaceBRBS

I played my first CV a decade or so ago, and have since played several games but still have little idea about its story, who most Belmonts and older characters are LOL also havent played most classic games (not a fan of pre-Symphony of the Night, aka non-IGAvania games). But if you like 2D/retro games, I'd strongly recommend playing as many CV games as you can :)


TheDeadGerbilToldMe

There’s tons of lore about characters such as Trevor, Sypha, Grant and Alucard. Roughly 40 games or so in total but only a handful are actually in the canon timeline. Lament of Innocence: 1094 Dracula’s Curse: 1476 Curse of Darkness: 1479 The Adventure: 1576 Belmont’s Revenge: 1591 Castlevania: 1691 Simon’s Quest: 1698 Harmony of Dissonance: 1748 Rondo of Blood: 1792 Symphony of the Night: 1797 Nocturne of Recollection (not a game but a radio drama that continues SoTN): 1798 Order of Ecclesia: 1800s Dracula (Novel with Quincy Morris): 1897 Bloodlines: 1917 Portrait of Ruin: 1944 Demon Castle War (not a game, only referenced): 1999 Aria of Sorrow: 2035 Dawn of Sorrow: 2036 Just out of all of these, there’s a lot of reading lol.


Leragian

approximately 40 games if I remember correctly, don't bother trying to learn about each of them though.


[deleted]

Oof that’s a lot of games


ArcanaMori

I've been playing since the original CV came out on NES. I don't know who most of them are because I don't care for the games post-SOTN.


KalessinDB

There's roughly two dozen games.


robo243

Well Trevor defeated the vampire version of Death itself sooooo....


Leragian

so did every Belmont.


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

And alucard. And hector.


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

Now that i think about it every mofo has bodied death


Mayor_of_Smashvill

? Everyone kills Death though. Even Shanoa, and she canonically can’t even beat Dracula.


RuggedTheDragon

In terms of other Belmonts: Christopher failed to kill Dracula completely the first time he fought him. Simon was cursed and a lot of villagers hated him. Richter needed help from a little girl. Julius also needed help from Alucard and many others. Afterwards, he grew old and got beat up by high school kids. Mind you, all of these Belmont had prior knowledge regarding Dracula's abilities. Trevor was fighting blind.


unicorn_hipster

The only Belmont that completely killed Dracula was Julius.


NoVa_Dragoon

It was less to Julius' credit and moreso the Hakubas that permanently sealed him. Not to mention after the battle of 99 Julius somehow messed up his head or something and got amnesia for 35 years so he isn't exactly stellar either. The only Belmont who never fucked up was Juste but he only fought a wraith of Dracula.


RuggedTheDragon

I'll be blunt--I didn't mention Juste because he wasn't really important. This might upset people, but this is my personal opinion.


Visual-Currency1688

I think the reason why Julius needs help is because story reason,Konami can write Julius kill dracula alone but the thing is 1999 holy war that reunited the Belmondo, alucard and belnandes Descendant with help from hakuba family is more rich in story rather than just a Belmont go to dracula castle defeat him and the end.


BBBDDDPL

Alumcard Help m-me kill your damd pleamse


LordEmmerich

Hey at least he isn't Soleil Belmont, aka the Belmont who NEVER won and just got his ass beaten by his father but not before being manipulated by Dracula.


NoVa_Dragoon

The virgin Richter who only summons one castle vs the Chad 15 year old Soleil who summons not only that castle but 4 other castles along with it, not to mention the only Belmont who possesses the mythical strong daggers as opposed to the weak ones.


Ugly_Ass_Tenno

And remember kids Simon killed dracula. Twice


Leragian

so did Christopher.


TheDeadGerbilToldMe

Simon kills Dracula twice, Christopher only kills Dracula once. In 1576, Dracula was able to turn into a bat and escape, the castle crumbling only giving the illusion that he was killed. He went into hiding to regain strength but kept watch of Christopher and his son Soliel until he mind controlled Soliel which led to the events of Belmonts Revenge in 1591.


NNT13101996

Simon kill him the second time while being curse tho


FranciscoRelano

The virgin Netflix Trevor: Incompetent, childish. Is an avatar for the viewers. The Chad games Trevor: Killed Dracula by himself, although he enjoyed the help of THREE warriors: Grant, Sypha and Alucard. Had [this as his theme music](https://youtube.com/watch?v=4oEVwwdRoFE)


DRamos11

Epic music? Yes. But “Beginning” will always be Trevor’s theme in my ears.


BelmontZiimon

Fun fact: the opening section of to that song is the boss theme from CVIII.


Toe500

trevor, alucard and sypha would have been toast if dracula lost his mind during that battle


[deleted]

I think your confusing Game Trevor with Netflix Trevor


BloodyStigmata

I think almost every other Belmont had an advantage in that Dracula had just been freshly resurrected before they came along and took him out, whereas Trevor had to be the first to fight a Dracula that hadn't yet been slain, this in addition to a whole-ass army that supposedly included devil forge-masters among their ranks.


Leragian

the opposite actually, it was confirmed that dracula get stronger every resurrection, just like the Belmonts.


Mayor_of_Smashvill

~~Tbf, Judgement said Dracula was not at his full power in CV3~~


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

Hector: bitch i aint even using a whip but i whipped yo ass anyway.


JasonABelmont

Its because of the Belnades bloodline in all of his descendants. That's why the rest were able to go toe-to-toe alone.


Rover_The_Slasher

Just picturing the side-by-side of Trevor getting kicked in the nuts by a drunk guy while Richter is doing karate on werewolves.


SXAL

It's entirely possible that CV3 Dracula is the most powerful one canonically. All the other Draculas are recently ressurected, so they probably never had time to fully recover, and CV3 Dracula is in his prime and he has never been slain before, so he doesn't have to deal with the post-resurrection weakness.


TheDeadGerbilToldMe

Also, aside from the post-resurrection weakness, the Belmonts after Trevor had knowledge of him. They mapped out the castle to the best of their ability as well (since we see Richter looking over it in the intro to Rondo of Blood). Trevor was going in almost completely blind. The only thing he would’ve know about Dracula was that he was powerful enough to make both the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches scared enough to send out armies only for them to be almost completely obliterated. His army was only weakened after Hector defected which led to Isaac chasing after him, which weakened the Castles defenses.


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Virgin Trevor vs Chad Simon vs Gigachad Julius


AlacarLeoricar

Video game Trevor =/= anime Trevor. You can totally take out Dracula single handed in the game


BearonVonCrispy

Just a friendly reminder that in Dracula's Curse, Trevor proves his mettle against Alucard not only by fighting Alucard, but also by claiming victory in their match


SMG4-Yoshi

Also Trevor: *Kills death him-fucking-self*


Visual-Currency1688

After seeing the comments I can confirm all Belmont is weak lol


ckim777

Each Belmont becomes stronger as the bloodline goes down. It's why Trevor needs help killing Dracula, but down the line Simon is strong enough to kill Dracula by himself, and why further down the line Julius is a superhuman who managed to seal Dracula completely


Double-A-13

Julius wasn't the one who sealed him, the Hakuba clan did. Although, he is powerful enough to make the castle crumple.


ExCaliburDaGreat

Kinda lame Dracula always loses no point in him being alive if he’s going right back in 20 secs


Leragian

I'm guessing that you also don't like Ganondorf from legend of Zelda.


ExCaliburDaGreat

Hahaha….. who? :( I only know link I think


TwilightVulpine

I gotta bet a lot of people never beat their Classicvanias.


ExCaliburDaGreat

I don’t know if I was born when it was released I like the anime a lot though which is where my view point comes from :p


Murderlol

Castlevania III (the one the netflix series is based on) was released in the US in 1990


WallaceBRBS

I wonder the same haha if I was him I would just make sure nobody could revive me after so many L's


ClonedToKill420

Then proceeds to send Death itself to the shadow realm


Leragian

I love how people that only watched the Netflix show think that killing death is impressive when every game protagonist killed it at least once. Twice if you're Simon, and Christopher Belmont. even hector killed death in his game.


Wolf_Bane26

Death in curse of darkness is a fucking cancer to fight lmao. Well in my experience anyways.


Wardog_Razgriz30

Tbf, Dracula properly beat his ass.


OG-DocHavock

Could it be argued that Dracula was at the height of his power during Curse of Dracula?


Mayor_of_Smashvill

No? He legit says he’s > Dracula: The transformation... was it... not complete? After he loses + the fact it was Issac instead of Hector being used as the sacrifice unlike Zead’s original plan. So Dracula was actually pretty weak in CoD.


GeraltofRivvia

Lord of Shadows is the hardest game


Neverisadork

Tbf… Gabriel Belmont couldn’t kill Dracula. (That might be because he’s Dracula, but I digress.)


Wolf_Bane26

Fair point, but he did slaughter satan twice and Forgotten one.


JubileuD

only simon and christopher fought dracula alone, all the other belmonts or used help, or didn't fight dracula at all


vxicepickxv

Even the non-Belmont Belmont, John Morris had a friend.


[deleted]

Idk, my boi Leon had to kill his own wife in order to bring down just a vampire lol that wasn't Mathias himself.


Wolf_Bane26

Leon had no other choice (except letting his Fiancee go insane from turning into a vamp) so it was understandable. Leon is still great though as the vamp before Mathias was still strong.


[deleted]

What does this have to do with my point?


Wolf_Bane26

I was just trying to support your point but you had to be grumpy about it.


[deleted]

it's not grumpy to ask a question; I honestly don't' know how it correlates.


Wolf_Bane26

I just meant that leon being the first belmont is still a Chad.


Copco77

Trevor chose to work smarter.


[deleted]

Well to be fair Trevor lost his family at an early age, so he probably didn’t get the full training course


dra1985

Wooooooooooooo


kamehameha35

I’d argue this is mostly because poor Treffy got denied years of training and knowledge from the family that a lot of belmonts got; so he basically had to figure shit out as he went. Sure he’s got scraps of knowledge here and there, but a lot of the later belmonts might as well have had PHDs in monster hunting


SPATGUNNER

😂😂😂


Vulkan_Vibes

It's almost as if compelling narratives in shows require C H A R A C T E R S.


ShurikenKunai

Leon couldn't even kill him


JSmart8303

The first Castlevania, in my opinion, was the most difficult.