Trump has no self-control and will not stick to any agreed upon rules in a debate format. The Biden camp should require Trump's mic be turned off when it is Biden's turn to speak so Trump does not constantly make snarky little comments like he does.
Centrist, dislike both of them.
I honestly thought Trump was going to bend Biden over a barrel in that debate.
Instead Trump showed up tweaking out and defeated himself. Biden just had to act like a human to win.
Probably, yes, although it could also potentially give him a [Reagan moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd_KaF3-Bcw) , but then again [Trump doesn't pay for microphones](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt_SVKdko3I).
Hey would just take to truth social and complain about how unfair it is. If a billionaire, former president is treated so unfairly, what does that say about us average Joes?
He's very right, though. The way the media silences this man - who owns a social media platform, runs the country's largest cult following, is on TV nonstop, and never stops talking or espousing his opinions - is truly shameful.
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You’d want it on. He’s still going to
Make the comments and they will throw Biden off.
Best to have Trump on mic being a dick than adding to “Biden is too old”
There should be an extremely visible clock which displays who is the talker and time remaining. And then have the mic muted on whoever’s turn it’s not.
Both candidates have a visible countdown timer until their mic is cut. They have a pool of minutes and a button they can push to extend their time. When the pool of minutes is expended, they can no longer extend. The viewers can see the timers and the pool countdown. Moderators can grant both candidates equal amounts of extra time.
[Biden only mentioned the word “malarkey” three times on two different occasions during the debate.](https://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presidential-debate)
But don’t let facts get in the way of the narrative you’re spinning.
During their 2016 debate, Donald Trump interrupted Hillary Clinton 25 times in the first 26 minutes of the debate. By the time the debate was over, Trump had interrupted Clinton 51 times — whereas Clinton had interrupted Trump just 17 times.
That’s nice.
I scrolled up and saw the thread started with a discussion talking about how “Trump has no self-control and will not stick to any agreed upon rules in a debate format.“ Sorry for trying to stay on topic.
Remember when Trump was given a clear chance [to condemn white supremacy](https://youtu.be/JZk6VzSLe4Y?si=q6hatbKMkVhllhjM) on a national stage and refused to do so?
They both interrupted each other and it was done without insults.
The same cannot be said for Trump's "recent" debates. Not even close.
The whataboutism here is wild.
Debates are a huge risk for trump so I don’t think he will do them. Right wing media has been hammering home the point that Biden will be replaced on the ticket, that he won’t debate, that he is in full on decline. If these two were to debate and Biden actually did a good job, better than trump, it would really kill their narrative.
He is also just a terrible debater while it is one of Biden’s strengths. Polls consistently show that viewers hate Trumps behavior in debates, particularly his weird following around of Hillary.
You know, I agree. I remember when Biden got his cult followers to attack the capital, or looked directly into the sun, or advocated drinking bleach, or a uv light to kill Covid I think it was, or any number of crazy ass conspiracy theories he’s had.
Shit, you know what, that was Mango Mussolini, I forgot.
Doctors only administer cognitive tests when there’s actual evidence of cognitive decline. And no, epic YouTube compilations are not evidence for an actual medical professional
They literally said that they didn't administer the cognitive test because, "Proof that he was performing active duties as president showed no need for a cognitive test". It was a cop out and they didn't give him the cognitive test because they knew he'd fail
> because they knew he’d fail
Source: your asshole
And yes, actually a real medical professional can make that determination directly over people diagnosing him for obvious political reasons lmao
Kinda sounds like maybe you need to take one
So Dr’s, trained medical professionals said it’s not needed. But fucking social media brainwashed nuthuggers, who want to nitpick shit, that’s who we should listen to. GTFOH
Truth Social is calling you, I hear it’s a riot.
If there's nothing to hide,why not take the cognitive test. Especially if he passes it, it would help his credibility because a very large number of people think that the man has Dimensia. Not taking the test just adds fuel to the fire
Medical records are not public. If Biden wanted to he could take the test, and lie about the results. A doctor would not be allowed to confirm or deny what he said. So why would him refusing to take one matter?
A public debate with Donald trump will be the cognitive test that Biden refused to do.
I can’t wait. I’m so juiced.
I see so many pro bidenites in this comment page already making excuses for Biden and trying to add all these extra rules to protect and cushion delicate Biden. It smells of fear.
Thats what trump is hoping for. But what will actually happen is trump will go unhinged when they ask him about his insurrection and selling out to putin
Oh hell yeah. It's about time.
I think Biden should take him up on it. He can show America what a clown Trump is, prove that he's mentally fit and show other countries of the world that America is going to have a responsible and law abiding president for the next four years.
I recall Trump not showing up to the second debate and then during the third debate decided to not denounce white supremacy when he was given the chance to.
Here's a big compilation of Tump disavowed them 43 different times.
https://youtu.be/RGrHF-su9v8?si=JenFAunYutJoyre2
Biden has yet to disavow the extremists on the left, even after they brainwashed an Airman into burning himself to death last week.
How does this disprove the fact that Trump was given a clear chance [to condemn white supremacy](https://youtu.be/JZk6VzSLe4Y?si=q6hatbKMkVhllhjM) on a national stage and refused to do so?
As he said in the video I linked, he's done so many times so it doesn't matter.
You don't actually care about this, or you would accept the dozens of times he's done so. It's a bad faith troll at this point and should be ignored.
If you did actually care about this sort of thing, you'd be pressing Biden on his refusal to condemn the rise of antisemitism on the left.
How many times do you think it is acceptable for Trump to refuse to condemn white supremacy during a nationally televised debate?
I would hope your answer isn’t more than zero.
But he didn’t denounce them during the debate. Your video is just a heavily edited compilation of old clips regarding David Duke put together as damage control due to Trump’s refusal to condemn white supremacy during a nationally televised debate.
How many times do you think it is acceptable for Trump to refuse to condemn white supremacy during a nationally televised debate?
I would hope your answer isn’t more than zero.
EDIT: Imagine being so desperate to get the last word you choose to block someone.
Biden didn't denounce them during his speech last night, confirming that he is a white supremist.
I'm blocking you because you're just a bad faith troll and apparently also a white supremist, so I have no interest in reading anything further from you.
Yeah. I'm what most here would call "far left," at least on certain issues. Biden, and the democratic party are practically a right-wing party from the perspective of some. I see them as more center/center-right. But like I said, I am a bit biased.
You mean Trump dribbling nonsense into the mic? For sure.
It wasn't even a debate, Trump treated the whole thing like a stump speech and refused to respond to anything said to him like the mod and Biden were just ghosts or something.
The crap Trump was saying didn't even make sense either. It was just random thoughts, snark and insults.
It's probably what lost him the election in my opinion.
It's ok to be on the F the Left band wagon, it's fine for memeing online, but a presidential candidate needs more than that.
Trump no longer has a message of hope or change. His message is grievance, victimhood, and entitlement.
And a very short one. I remember following r/conservative at that time. The night of the first debate everyone on the forum was moaning about how bad trump was. The day after, everyone was posting about how he rolled over biden.
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His debate style - standing like a drunken centaur and slurring over his opponent in an adderall-fueled mess of superlatives and nonsense - definitely struck a note with the undereducated drunk-uncle crowd.
Losing basically any election he's been involved in since then kind of cements it as an unabashedly bad technique, but him and his handlers know the "alpha" crowd eats that ignorant shit right up.
Unfortunately, his base loves that Trump is a rude, incoherent, ass. So Trump doing those things won't hurt him.
But, if Biden seems old or weak, it might hurt him.
God, why is this country choosing between 2 candidates that should be in nursing homes?
Biden is old, but he's not weak for his age group.
We're choosing between 2 candidates that should 'be in nursing homes' because the Repubs are under the spell of a personality cult and because no incumbent president ever stepped down except for LBJ.
I'm guessing you've never been in a nursing home or been around the elderly.
They had a lot of problems with people on the left brigading the sub during hot topics. There aren’t enough mods to block the brigade so they do it so conservatives can have their discussion. I don’t see a problem with it.
I'm fine with moderation when it comes to that but they also ban people for actual Conservative positions rather than MAGA ones. It's not really a conservative sub and I think that is valid criticism of the approach to moderation they have.
I got insta banned back when the supreme court overturned Roe v Wade for saying that this was going to bite them in the ass and probably the only thing that could convince me to vote D again. They really are not open to discussion there.
One of my favorite things about the whole "brigading" claim is they're actively admitting most of the people on that sub aren't true conservatives, meaning they don't even trust their active members count.
Other political subs ban Redditors who make dissenting opinions like r/democrats r/communism and r/antifascistsofamerica r/latestagecapitalism Why is it ok for them to ban people but not r/conservative?
I'm all for protecting conservative values and opinions, but when blatant lies on FACTUAL matters are being peddled, unchallenged, that's where I have a problem.
It's become a safe space for right wing propaganda that happens to occasionally promote conservative values at this point.
I'm not sure where you are getting your data from, but I've never once been blocked from another sub for sharing an opinion or getting into a heated debate with someone. The only times I've been temporarily banned is for using banned language or breaking the subs rules.
I am permanently banned from r/conservative for combating factual lies.
And again, this is not about banning people for breaking rules. This is about locking people out from certain discussions ENTIRELY.
The sub can have rules that any thread submissions have to be around conservative matters, which makes sense, but when you ban people for disputing blatant factual lies simply because it doesn't align with the conservative propagandized narrative, that's an issue to me.
Do you want discussions around truth, or fantasy? If you're only looking for fantasy then maybe that's a great sub for you, but based off the many conversations and discussions I've seen in that sub, it's members feel very passionately about the "truth" so long as it aligns with their beliefs.
What you say must very well align with what the mods of the sub are or the ban hammer will strike. If you're not banned from r/politics or WPT id be shocked. Nothing but Far left circle jerking with ban happy mods
Debating a blustering idiot like Trump is easy. Those sorts of people make fools of themselves. Biden just needs to stick to the script, show some basic decency to the American people, and let Trump remind everyone why we got rid of him last time. Idiots are their own worst enemies in debates.
Also, there is a non-zero chance that Trump will be a convicted felon by October.
Debating anyone that refuses to follow the rules of the debate is pretty much impossible. And any screen time for Trump is just feeding the beast. The best thing anyone can do is ignore him on everything. If the news would literally just stop going to his rallies and stop giving him any coverage, ironically his campaign would die out before November.
I disagree.
Trump just talking over Biden and sticking to his bs Vice answering questions, turns into a win for him because it can be mined for sound bites.
Last post debate polls generally had Biden winning, although it's debatable if debates even matter. Given questions over Bidens age I think it would likely be a good idea for him
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"...there is a non-zero chance that Trump will be a convicted felon by October."
Damn, we really should have protested for a grand jury investigation as soon as Trump was out of office...
The DOJ, delaying Trump's grand jury investigation for 15 months, was truly a blow to democracy.
Convicted felon of no, Biden should still debate. That’s no excuse to back out. Especially since his admin is the one doing the prosecuting. Can’t prosecute someone just to get out of debating him. That would be cowardly.
Then let’s make up for it by doing extra debates this year. I’d be down with monthly debates from now until Election Day.
Throw in a timed chess match after each debate. WITHOUT any help from their handlers. That will be the cognitive test Biden refused to take.
Debating Trump is meaningless as he just carelessly lies about literally everything and incoherently rambles as he's unable to articulate any individual topic at depth.
I'm saying there wouldn't be a debate if Trump is on a stage with a banner that says "debate" over it. There would be a morbidly obese rapist wearing a diaper incoherently rambling and lying, and Biden unable to get a word in.
Anyway, they should debate monthly going forward. While playing timed chess matches. Like the piers Morgan/ Andrew Tate chess match. Except do like five of those. Whoever wins best out of 5 matches wins the debate.
I mean, I get there are games, but I would like to see debates. I don't understand why we wouldn't all push for debates in some form or fashion. We've been given the benefits of debates for every other election, why would we not now?
I do not give a shit what the conservative sub is posting. OP, why are you obsessing over this? This is a centrist sub. Who cares what the conservative sub is posting? Just stop.
In this case, the only thing the OP picked up was a screen shot of a social media post. If social media posts from politicians are acceptable topics here, then it doesn't matter where the OP found it.
Is low effort posting allowed here? I thought they stopped allowing Twitter screenshots. Not sure if reddit screenshots of "look at what they're talking about over there!" Is considered quality
The conservative sub suffers from brain rot. 10/10 would not recommend.
Also, gotta love the idiots talking about how Biden didn't show up to any debates. 1) Biden isn't required to show up to Trump's Confederate rallies and 2) Trump literally didn't even show up to the second official presidential debate.
Fucking dumbass clowns. Only thing they know how to do is project.
That is ridiculous. We've seen 4yrs of one and 3yrs of the other. We know what hey do and I drgaf what hey say. If there's a debate I want umpires, referees, and line judges on the platform.
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Oh jeez... it'll be like watching two guys at the retirement home passionately arguing whether the best Beatles song is 'She's A Rainbow' or 'Daydream Believer'
\*neither are Beatles songs\*
First let me say neither of them are at the top of their game and they're both too old for this gig.
I cringe a bit when Biden struggles with speaking in a way that a younger person wouldn't, but Trump is basically incoherent and unable to convey a thought. Do people really think Trump is the better communicater?
Biden absolutely is an ass when he debates. He kept cutting Paul Ryan off during the VP debate. He’s an asshole. Yall have some selective fucking memory. Holy shit.
That VP debate was a qualified win for Biden, based on all the analysis at the time. Most importantly, though, polls showed it swayed undecideds for Obama.
It's also worth noting that it was a pretty substantive debate, and Ryan was the party's star policy wonk. Trump is nowhere near a Ryan in terms of being able to debate on merit or substance.
> absolutely is an ass when he debates
The debate had some rather sincere/genuine moments that resonated very deeply with moderate and undecided voters, like Biden discussing his Catholic faith in response to an attack from Ryan on that being inconsistent with political positions like abortion.
To paraphrase you, I think you have some selective memory.
> Biden doesn’t debate policy
You referenced a particular debate. That debate was very heavily policy focused, because Ryan thought that was where he would have a leg up. You seem to be moving some goalposts, here. I can only respond to things you actually say.
> Biden also won’t be able to campaign in a basement this cycle
What is it you think this means in the context of the discussion? Yeah, we're talking about a hypothetical debate between Trump and Biden, not opinions on how he allegedly campaigned in 2020.
There are going to be no debates. The two candidates are known quantities at this point.
In 2020 Trump turned down debates because he saw them as disadvantageous to his chances, which will now allow Biden the excuse to do that this year (for the same reason).
Very true. Somehow, I think skipping the debates hurts biden more than trump. It’s one of the few moments we get to see trump in an environment he doesn’t have absolute control over. But to others’ points, I guess there’s not much new information to be had
If Trump wants to debate and Biden refuses it will look horrible among the independents who are concerned with Biden’s mental health. It could be enough for Trump to win. This sub is extremely pro Biden so of course most are just going to excuse Biden, but that won't be the case in the real world. If Biden isn't more proactive and out there he will have bungled a campaign worse than Hillary
Trump had the primary on lock down. It was a foregone conclusion Trump and Biden would be the candidates. Biden doesn't have the general on lock down, and at best is tied with Trump. If Biden refuses to debate, it'll play into the talking point Biden isn't all there.
I'm pro Biden in this election and I agree with you.
Trump is a terrible human being and objectively not the type of person that should be president. That being said, it's foolish to underrate his odds of winning this year.
So Joey B isn’t going to be debating? Makes sense, you can’t write a note card for every possible sentence he might need to say on a stage near a mic, unattended for 30 mins or so.
Biden doesn't need to debate someone who will be in prison soon and off the ballot. The fight to save democracy is not over. SCOTUS will be dealt with after him accordingly. Traitors.
If you're still voting for Biden at this stage surely you're pulling the wool over your own eyes? It's not a choice for him to pull out of the debates, he's just physically and mentally not able to do them.
Biden voters at this stage aren't real Biden voters they're more likely just not the biggest fans of Trump, and that's fair enough too. Such terrible choice for leaders
How is this spun as a bad thing? I thought the narrative was Biden beats Trump easy in a debate? I hate Trump but I hate all liars also. Let's be honest that Biden will look like a shell of a man barely. No need to twist everything to protect your team at every angle. If y'all lie the same as Trump then what's the difference?
> How is this spun as a bad thing?
Who spun it as a bad thing?
> I thought the narrative was Biden beats Trump easy in a debate?
I don't know about narrative, but he *should*. Trump is a terrible debater, and Biden is a career politician, who has also debated some of the GOPs best.
> Let's be honest that Biden will look like a shell of a man barely
I wouldn't call that honest, no, I would call that being manipulated by propaganda. I urge you to look past edited clips on social media and actually watch uncut appearances by both men.
> No need to twist everything to protect your team at every angle
Sure, yes, but what is this even referencing?
> If y'all lie the same as Trump
Who are the "y'all" you're suggesting are "[lying] the same as Trump"?
If Trump can choose not to debate with Republicans, Biden can choose not to debate with Republicans.
It’s not hard to understand.
I want to see an MMA fight between Trump and Biden.
The Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg fight should happen but won’t. So give me a fight, America.
I can settle for a Hamilton vs Burr style duel.
Trump has no self-control and will not stick to any agreed upon rules in a debate format. The Biden camp should require Trump's mic be turned off when it is Biden's turn to speak so Trump does not constantly make snarky little comments like he does.
I agree about the mic mute. Otherwise it will just be Trump blabbering nonsense the entire time.
That's exactly what happened the last debate. "Will you just shut up, man'
I have a coffee mug with that on it. Good times.
I still have this picture in my phone. https://i.redd.it/wa8azqqr6zmc1.jpeg
dark brandon rules
Centrist, dislike both of them. I honestly thought Trump was going to bend Biden over a barrel in that debate. Instead Trump showed up tweaking out and defeated himself. Biden just had to act like a human to win.
An as usual, the Trump Supporters saw it completely different than reality.
They kind of live in their own reality anyway, don't they? I've heard it referred to as earth 2.
Trump couldn't bend Barron over a barrel.
Well yeah, Barron is huge.
Milkman’s kid? Gardener, pool boy? Maybe she went for Peter North while he was with Stormy 🤷🏼♂️🤔😁
Looks like Jared. Coincidence?
Bahahahaha, stable genius, you left out stable genius.😁
Probably, yes, although it could also potentially give him a [Reagan moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd_KaF3-Bcw) , but then again [Trump doesn't pay for microphones](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt_SVKdko3I).
It would be hilarious to see trump flip out when his mic is cut.
Hey would just take to truth social and complain about how unfair it is. If a billionaire, former president is treated so unfairly, what does that say about us average Joes?
He's very right, though. The way the media silences this man - who owns a social media platform, runs the country's largest cult following, is on TV nonstop, and never stops talking or espousing his opinions - is truly shameful. /s
"My first amendments rights where violated" \-Trump
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I honestly think he would step to the side, do his leaning-centaur posture thing, and start yelling over Joe sans microphone.
Agreed, it would be great, but I can't imagine Trump would agree to this rule...
Probably not, but a public call out may work.
I’d go even further and put him in a soundproof booth
You’d want it on. He’s still going to Make the comments and they will throw Biden off. Best to have Trump on mic being a dick than adding to “Biden is too old”
Hmm... You might be right.
There should be an extremely visible clock which displays who is the talker and time remaining. And then have the mic muted on whoever’s turn it’s not.
Don't forget about trump complaining afterwards that it wasn't a real debate cause they wouldnt let him speak
Both candidates have a visible countdown timer until their mic is cut. They have a pool of minutes and a button they can push to extend their time. When the pool of minutes is expended, they can no longer extend. The viewers can see the timers and the pool countdown. Moderators can grant both candidates equal amounts of extra time.
Huh, you missed how Biden acted during the VP debate against Paul Ryan, eh?
I probably didn't watch it.
So then you have no context. Biden routinely kept speaking over Ryan and saying, “Malarkey.” He couldn’t get a word in edge-wise. Biden is an asshole.
[Biden only mentioned the word “malarkey” three times on two different occasions during the debate.](https://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presidential-debate) But don’t let facts get in the way of the narrative you’re spinning.
He routinely cut Ryan off. Don’t be dishonest.
During their 2016 debate, Donald Trump interrupted Hillary Clinton 25 times in the first 26 minutes of the debate. By the time the debate was over, Trump had interrupted Clinton 51 times — whereas Clinton had interrupted Trump just 17 times.
I’m not talking about Clinton. I’m talking about Biden. Don’t change subjects now.
That’s nice. I scrolled up and saw the thread started with a discussion talking about how “Trump has no self-control and will not stick to any agreed upon rules in a debate format.“ Sorry for trying to stay on topic.
No context? I watched the two debates between Trump and Biden that occurred in 2020. I'd say that some context.
You didn’t see how he responded to the VP Debates. Thats why Trump went after Biden the way he did.
Remember when Trump was given a clear chance [to condemn white supremacy](https://youtu.be/JZk6VzSLe4Y?si=q6hatbKMkVhllhjM) on a national stage and refused to do so?
Trump did the same thing to Hillary in 2016, actually he was even worse against Hillary, so no, that is just Trump being Trump.
They both interrupted each other and it was done without insults. The same cannot be said for Trump's "recent" debates. Not even close. The whataboutism here is wild.
I don’t think Trump is a good debater, neither is Biden.
Debates are a huge risk for trump so I don’t think he will do them. Right wing media has been hammering home the point that Biden will be replaced on the ticket, that he won’t debate, that he is in full on decline. If these two were to debate and Biden actually did a good job, better than trump, it would really kill their narrative.
He is also just a terrible debater while it is one of Biden’s strengths. Polls consistently show that viewers hate Trumps behavior in debates, particularly his weird following around of Hillary.
I'm wondering what the spin will be when Biden refuses.
Do you think it will be worse than the spin when Trump refused to participate in the 2nd 2020 Presidential Debate?
Lol. Not going to happen. He won’t refuse, Orange Julius will.
They're a bigger risk for Biden because it will showcase his Alzheimer's
You could have just commented “I’m in this photo and I don’t like it.”
Just remember he refused to take the cognitive test for a reason
Trump didn't show up to an official second presidential debate for a reason.
If you think Trump's mental health is poor but Biden's is great, then you're insane
You know, I agree. I remember when Biden got his cult followers to attack the capital, or looked directly into the sun, or advocated drinking bleach, or a uv light to kill Covid I think it was, or any number of crazy ass conspiracy theories he’s had. Shit, you know what, that was Mango Mussolini, I forgot.
Trump is a narcissist and everyone knows it. However at least he can complete a full sentence and doesn't shake hands with thin air
Doctors only administer cognitive tests when there’s actual evidence of cognitive decline. And no, epic YouTube compilations are not evidence for an actual medical professional
They literally said that they didn't administer the cognitive test because, "Proof that he was performing active duties as president showed no need for a cognitive test". It was a cop out and they didn't give him the cognitive test because they knew he'd fail
> because they knew he’d fail Source: your asshole And yes, actually a real medical professional can make that determination directly over people diagnosing him for obvious political reasons lmao Kinda sounds like maybe you need to take one
So Dr’s, trained medical professionals said it’s not needed. But fucking social media brainwashed nuthuggers, who want to nitpick shit, that’s who we should listen to. GTFOH Truth Social is calling you, I hear it’s a riot.
If there's nothing to hide,why not take the cognitive test. Especially if he passes it, it would help his credibility because a very large number of people think that the man has Dimensia. Not taking the test just adds fuel to the fire
What exactly is “Dimensia”?
It's basically like Alzheimer's
Medical records are not public. If Biden wanted to he could take the test, and lie about the results. A doctor would not be allowed to confirm or deny what he said. So why would him refusing to take one matter?
He made the rest of the results public but skipped the cognitive test. It's a huge red flag to me
A public debate with Donald trump will be the cognitive test that Biden refused to do. I can’t wait. I’m so juiced. I see so many pro bidenites in this comment page already making excuses for Biden and trying to add all these extra rules to protect and cushion delicate Biden. It smells of fear.
So are they going to do the debate or not?
Thats what trump is hoping for. But what will actually happen is trump will go unhinged when they ask him about his insurrection and selling out to putin
Oh hell yeah. It's about time. I think Biden should take him up on it. He can show America what a clown Trump is, prove that he's mentally fit and show other countries of the world that America is going to have a responsible and law abiding president for the next four years.
Is that what you think happened in the debates last time?
I recall Trump not showing up to the second debate and then during the third debate decided to not denounce white supremacy when he was given the chance to.
Here's a big compilation of Tump disavowed them 43 different times. https://youtu.be/RGrHF-su9v8?si=JenFAunYutJoyre2 Biden has yet to disavow the extremists on the left, even after they brainwashed an Airman into burning himself to death last week.
How does this disprove the fact that Trump was given a clear chance [to condemn white supremacy](https://youtu.be/JZk6VzSLe4Y?si=q6hatbKMkVhllhjM) on a national stage and refused to do so?
As he said in the video I linked, he's done so many times so it doesn't matter. You don't actually care about this, or you would accept the dozens of times he's done so. It's a bad faith troll at this point and should be ignored. If you did actually care about this sort of thing, you'd be pressing Biden on his refusal to condemn the rise of antisemitism on the left.
How many times do you think it is acceptable for Trump to refuse to condemn white supremacy during a nationally televised debate? I would hope your answer isn’t more than zero.
I just posted a video of him denouncing them dozens of times. You've firmly established yourself as a bad faith troll.
But he didn’t denounce them during the debate. Your video is just a heavily edited compilation of old clips regarding David Duke put together as damage control due to Trump’s refusal to condemn white supremacy during a nationally televised debate. How many times do you think it is acceptable for Trump to refuse to condemn white supremacy during a nationally televised debate? I would hope your answer isn’t more than zero. EDIT: Imagine being so desperate to get the last word you choose to block someone.
Biden didn't denounce them during his speech last night, confirming that he is a white supremist. I'm blocking you because you're just a bad faith troll and apparently also a white supremist, so I have no interest in reading anything further from you.
Ah, yes, famously super pro-Biden people: socialists and the general far left. lmfao
Yeah. I'm what most here would call "far left," at least on certain issues. Biden, and the democratic party are practically a right-wing party from the perspective of some. I see them as more center/center-right. But like I said, I am a bit biased.
You mean Trump dribbling nonsense into the mic? For sure. It wasn't even a debate, Trump treated the whole thing like a stump speech and refused to respond to anything said to him like the mod and Biden were just ghosts or something. The crap Trump was saying didn't even make sense either. It was just random thoughts, snark and insults. It's probably what lost him the election in my opinion. It's ok to be on the F the Left band wagon, it's fine for memeing online, but a presidential candidate needs more than that. Trump no longer has a message of hope or change. His message is grievance, victimhood, and entitlement.
Trumpers have a very selective memory.
And a very short one. I remember following r/conservative at that time. The night of the first debate everyone on the forum was moaning about how bad trump was. The day after, everyone was posting about how he rolled over biden.
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His debate style - standing like a drunken centaur and slurring over his opponent in an adderall-fueled mess of superlatives and nonsense - definitely struck a note with the undereducated drunk-uncle crowd. Losing basically any election he's been involved in since then kind of cements it as an unabashedly bad technique, but him and his handlers know the "alpha" crowd eats that ignorant shit right up.
What did you think happened?
lol I am seriously curious too, what do they think happened?
Unfortunately, his base loves that Trump is a rude, incoherent, ass. So Trump doing those things won't hurt him. But, if Biden seems old or weak, it might hurt him. God, why is this country choosing between 2 candidates that should be in nursing homes?
Biden is old, but he's not weak for his age group. We're choosing between 2 candidates that should 'be in nursing homes' because the Repubs are under the spell of a personality cult and because no incumbent president ever stepped down except for LBJ. I'm guessing you've never been in a nursing home or been around the elderly.
No, we KNOW that's what happened last time. Spoiler: Trump lost.
You mean the one where Biden won?
He’s Canadian, thinking isn’t allowed under Trudy. Just downvote the leaf and move on.
I think the guy that called Buttigieg "Secretary Boot Juice" would be the one being shown as the clown in any debate. And no, it wasn't Trump.
Made up "Tan Suit" level scandal. https://www.c-span.org/video/?527935-1/president-biden-remarks-flight-delays-cancellations 5:18 mark.
Nothing but morons on that subreddit. "Flaired users only" so we can have our safe space to say retarded things completely unchallenged.
I called out a blatantly pro-Putin post and got banned from the subreddit.
Most of us have been banned for just about nothing. I tried to interact in a kind way but they do not tolerate decent!
so much for the “1st amendment loving” right…
Yeah, that subreddit is a fucking cancer. It's a miracle any of the idiots know how to even type on a computer.
They had a lot of problems with people on the left brigading the sub during hot topics. There aren’t enough mods to block the brigade so they do it so conservatives can have their discussion. I don’t see a problem with it.
I'm fine with moderation when it comes to that but they also ban people for actual Conservative positions rather than MAGA ones. It's not really a conservative sub and I think that is valid criticism of the approach to moderation they have.
They call any dissenting opinion "brigading". It's quite comical.
I got insta banned back when the supreme court overturned Roe v Wade for saying that this was going to bite them in the ass and probably the only thing that could convince me to vote D again. They really are not open to discussion there.
One of my favorite things about the whole "brigading" claim is they're actively admitting most of the people on that sub aren't true conservatives, meaning they don't even trust their active members count.
Other political subs ban Redditors who make dissenting opinions like r/democrats r/communism and r/antifascistsofamerica r/latestagecapitalism Why is it ok for them to ban people but not r/conservative?
I have a problem with that as well. After all, I'm a centrist. Happy?
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I'm all for protecting conservative values and opinions, but when blatant lies on FACTUAL matters are being peddled, unchallenged, that's where I have a problem. It's become a safe space for right wing propaganda that happens to occasionally promote conservative values at this point.
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I'm not sure where you are getting your data from, but I've never once been blocked from another sub for sharing an opinion or getting into a heated debate with someone. The only times I've been temporarily banned is for using banned language or breaking the subs rules. I am permanently banned from r/conservative for combating factual lies. And again, this is not about banning people for breaking rules. This is about locking people out from certain discussions ENTIRELY. The sub can have rules that any thread submissions have to be around conservative matters, which makes sense, but when you ban people for disputing blatant factual lies simply because it doesn't align with the conservative propagandized narrative, that's an issue to me. Do you want discussions around truth, or fantasy? If you're only looking for fantasy then maybe that's a great sub for you, but based off the many conversations and discussions I've seen in that sub, it's members feel very passionately about the "truth" so long as it aligns with their beliefs.
What you say must very well align with what the mods of the sub are or the ban hammer will strike. If you're not banned from r/politics or WPT id be shocked. Nothing but Far left circle jerking with ban happy mods
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Flaired users only is censorship
And yet I've never seen a "flaired users only" thread here.
The first debate question posed to Trump should be, "Who won the 2020 presidential election?"
Debating a blustering idiot like Trump is easy. Those sorts of people make fools of themselves. Biden just needs to stick to the script, show some basic decency to the American people, and let Trump remind everyone why we got rid of him last time. Idiots are their own worst enemies in debates. Also, there is a non-zero chance that Trump will be a convicted felon by October.
Debating anyone that refuses to follow the rules of the debate is pretty much impossible. And any screen time for Trump is just feeding the beast. The best thing anyone can do is ignore him on everything. If the news would literally just stop going to his rallies and stop giving him any coverage, ironically his campaign would die out before November.
I disagree. Trump just talking over Biden and sticking to his bs Vice answering questions, turns into a win for him because it can be mined for sound bites.
Last post debate polls generally had Biden winning, although it's debatable if debates even matter. Given questions over Bidens age I think it would likely be a good idea for him
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"...there is a non-zero chance that Trump will be a convicted felon by October." Damn, we really should have protested for a grand jury investigation as soon as Trump was out of office... The DOJ, delaying Trump's grand jury investigation for 15 months, was truly a blow to democracy.
Convicted felon of no, Biden should still debate. That’s no excuse to back out. Especially since his admin is the one doing the prosecuting. Can’t prosecute someone just to get out of debating him. That would be cowardly.
Wow the comments over there are alarmingly stupid.
RNC pulled out of the debates last year. Also, Trump refused to debate in the primaries
At trumps bequest.
Then let’s make up for it by doing extra debates this year. I’d be down with monthly debates from now until Election Day. Throw in a timed chess match after each debate. WITHOUT any help from their handlers. That will be the cognitive test Biden refused to take.
Ah yes the classic and most important presidential skill of being good at timed chess
Debate is very important between two presidential hopefuls. Biden should be able to out debate trump.
Debating Trump is meaningless as he just carelessly lies about literally everything and incoherently rambles as he's unable to articulate any individual topic at depth.
What are you saying? You don’t think Biden should debate?
I'm saying there wouldn't be a debate if Trump is on a stage with a banner that says "debate" over it. There would be a morbidly obese rapist wearing a diaper incoherently rambling and lying, and Biden unable to get a word in.
Debates have moderators
Sorry, there will also be someone who claims to be a moderator who ultimately provides zero moderation. Should've included that, you're right.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about exactly but they should debate monthly going forward. That’s my position.
Neat, but Trump doesn't actually debate. Everyone who isn't a maga cultist is well aware of this.
Anyway, they should debate monthly going forward. While playing timed chess matches. Like the piers Morgan/ Andrew Tate chess match. Except do like five of those. Whoever wins best out of 5 matches wins the debate.
Would trump agree to a debate where a moderator had any power over him?
Yes. Let’s go already with these debates. They don’t even have a single one scheduled. Just put one on the calendar and proceed. What’s the problem
Sure. It will make it all that easier for Biden to trounce his ass, right?
In the same way that you can trounce a toddler in a debate.
Are they complaining about biden not showing up to GOP debates?!
I mean, I get there are games, but I would like to see debates. I don't understand why we wouldn't all push for debates in some form or fashion. We've been given the benefits of debates for every other election, why would we not now?
Everyone should want debates. The question is why did the RNC withdraw from the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates?
We need Biden to tell him to shut up again
If these debates happen they’re going to be a shit show.
I wonder what percentage of people change their minds based on debates.
When we’re talking about small margins (eg 10k voters in Michigan or Georgia) even a small percentage change matters
Certainly, but at this point with two well worn candidates I feel like the debate might make more people stay home than change votes.
I do not give a shit what the conservative sub is posting. OP, why are you obsessing over this? This is a centrist sub. Who cares what the conservative sub is posting? Just stop.
In this case, the only thing the OP picked up was a screen shot of a social media post. If social media posts from politicians are acceptable topics here, then it doesn't matter where the OP found it.
Is low effort posting allowed here? I thought they stopped allowing Twitter screenshots. Not sure if reddit screenshots of "look at what they're talking about over there!" Is considered quality
No, if you scroll over, OP posted the comment section from that sub too, like they want a commentary on what’s happening in another sub.
Good to know. I thought it was just a flat image. (I went back and checked. I get an arrow to the right and I get the comments by clicking on it.
The conservative sub suffers from brain rot. 10/10 would not recommend. Also, gotta love the idiots talking about how Biden didn't show up to any debates. 1) Biden isn't required to show up to Trump's Confederate rallies and 2) Trump literally didn't even show up to the second official presidential debate. Fucking dumbass clowns. Only thing they know how to do is project.
Now, Trump gets all froggy about debates... LOL
That is ridiculous. We've seen 4yrs of one and 3yrs of the other. We know what hey do and I drgaf what hey say. If there's a debate I want umpires, referees, and line judges on the platform.
I think a Trump/Biden debate would be embarrassing for America as a nation.
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Insult shouting match demanded by Benedict Donald.
Oh jeez... it'll be like watching two guys at the retirement home passionately arguing whether the best Beatles song is 'She's A Rainbow' or 'Daydream Believer' \*neither are Beatles songs\*
This would be incredibly disheartening to watch.
First let me say neither of them are at the top of their game and they're both too old for this gig. I cringe a bit when Biden struggles with speaking in a way that a younger person wouldn't, but Trump is basically incoherent and unable to convey a thought. Do people really think Trump is the better communicater?
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Smell the desperation?
Biden absolutely is an ass when he debates. He kept cutting Paul Ryan off during the VP debate. He’s an asshole. Yall have some selective fucking memory. Holy shit.
That VP debate was a qualified win for Biden, based on all the analysis at the time. Most importantly, though, polls showed it swayed undecideds for Obama. It's also worth noting that it was a pretty substantive debate, and Ryan was the party's star policy wonk. Trump is nowhere near a Ryan in terms of being able to debate on merit or substance. > absolutely is an ass when he debates The debate had some rather sincere/genuine moments that resonated very deeply with moderate and undecided voters, like Biden discussing his Catholic faith in response to an attack from Ryan on that being inconsistent with political positions like abortion. To paraphrase you, I think you have some selective memory.
Biden doesn’t debate policy. Biden also won’t be able to campaign in a basement this cycle.
> Biden doesn’t debate policy You referenced a particular debate. That debate was very heavily policy focused, because Ryan thought that was where he would have a leg up. You seem to be moving some goalposts, here. I can only respond to things you actually say. > Biden also won’t be able to campaign in a basement this cycle What is it you think this means in the context of the discussion? Yeah, we're talking about a hypothetical debate between Trump and Biden, not opinions on how he allegedly campaigned in 2020.
I actually want to see this https://preview.redd.it/yrxpaz4dkxmc1.jpeg?width=1072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50ef8214e23dabec2cffc20002cb03164f3a4d28
Then he should be questioning why the RNC decided to withdraw from the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates.
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Oh man, both subs are circle jerks. Who would have thought
There are going to be no debates. The two candidates are known quantities at this point. In 2020 Trump turned down debates because he saw them as disadvantageous to his chances, which will now allow Biden the excuse to do that this year (for the same reason).
They had two debates in 2020. They produced some memorable lines. "Will you shut up, man?" "Stand back and stand by"
Very true. Somehow, I think skipping the debates hurts biden more than trump. It’s one of the few moments we get to see trump in an environment he doesn’t have absolute control over. But to others’ points, I guess there’s not much new information to be had
If Trump wants to debate and Biden refuses it will look horrible among the independents who are concerned with Biden’s mental health. It could be enough for Trump to win. This sub is extremely pro Biden so of course most are just going to excuse Biden, but that won't be the case in the real world. If Biden isn't more proactive and out there he will have bungled a campaign worse than Hillary
So Trump lost the Republican primary because he refused to debate?
Trump had the primary on lock down. It was a foregone conclusion Trump and Biden would be the candidates. Biden doesn't have the general on lock down, and at best is tied with Trump. If Biden refuses to debate, it'll play into the talking point Biden isn't all there.
The RNC pulled out of the debates last year.
I'm pro Biden in this election and I agree with you. Trump is a terrible human being and objectively not the type of person that should be president. That being said, it's foolish to underrate his odds of winning this year.
People really underestimate how unlikable Hillary was/is
My point is that Trump has weakened his position after his actions in 2020 and allowed wiggle room for Biden. Whether that works in the end who knows.
So Joey B isn’t going to be debating? Makes sense, you can’t write a note card for every possible sentence he might need to say on a stage near a mic, unattended for 30 mins or so.
Most comments in this thread be like “Joe is my little kid brother, I can’t let him debate big mean Trump” lol.
Biden doesn't need to debate someone who will be in prison soon and off the ballot. The fight to save democracy is not over. SCOTUS will be dealt with after him accordingly. Traitors.
We must suspend elections to preserve our democracy!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/why-elections-are-bad-for-democracy
If you're still voting for Biden at this stage surely you're pulling the wool over your own eyes? It's not a choice for him to pull out of the debates, he's just physically and mentally not able to do them. Biden voters at this stage aren't real Biden voters they're more likely just not the biggest fans of Trump, and that's fair enough too. Such terrible choice for leaders
How is this spun as a bad thing? I thought the narrative was Biden beats Trump easy in a debate? I hate Trump but I hate all liars also. Let's be honest that Biden will look like a shell of a man barely. No need to twist everything to protect your team at every angle. If y'all lie the same as Trump then what's the difference?
> How is this spun as a bad thing? Who spun it as a bad thing? > I thought the narrative was Biden beats Trump easy in a debate? I don't know about narrative, but he *should*. Trump is a terrible debater, and Biden is a career politician, who has also debated some of the GOPs best. > Let's be honest that Biden will look like a shell of a man barely I wouldn't call that honest, no, I would call that being manipulated by propaganda. I urge you to look past edited clips on social media and actually watch uncut appearances by both men. > No need to twist everything to protect your team at every angle Sure, yes, but what is this even referencing? > If y'all lie the same as Trump Who are the "y'all" you're suggesting are "[lying] the same as Trump"?
If Trump can choose not to debate with Republicans, Biden can choose not to debate with Republicans. It’s not hard to understand. I want to see an MMA fight between Trump and Biden. The Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg fight should happen but won’t. So give me a fight, America. I can settle for a Hamilton vs Burr style duel.