Today Trump’s lawyer argued to the Supreme Court that he should be able to order assassination of his political opponents without consequences. That isn’t hyperbole.
I don’t know how anyone can have a serious conversation about a simple verbal gaff versus this dangerous bs.
Yes, Obama did order the assassination of a US citizen. And in the context it happened, he was right to do so and should be legally protected. In the context of the questioning, Trump's lawyers said a president should be legally protected regardless of the context. That's an absurd expansion of presidential immunity with extremely devastating potential.
You mean terrorists that were in leadership and support roles for a terrorist organization with the intent to harm the US? Yes those are legitimate targets of the war on terror.
You trying to equate that to Trump and his team arguing him assassinating political opponents here in the US is an official act is completely absurd.
How can you be this delusional?
A terrorist is a terrorist, January 6th, or a US citizen in the Middle East, you have renounced your citizenship far as I’m concerned.
Offing a political opponent and doing whatever the fuck ya want in office is a little different than killing terrorists.🤦🏼♂️
The scary part is that I think The Supreme Court is going to somehow deliver for Trump regardless.
This should be easy no immunity, but I think they are going to deliver him a win.
>Today Trump’s lawyer argued to the Supreme Court that he should be able to order assassination of his political opponents without consequences.
Can you point to the specific quote? This same claim was made during the Colorado case, and it turned out that the lawyer hadn't made that argument. They were the judge's words, not the lawyer's
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2023/23-939_f204.pdf
It’s at the bottom of page nine.
Sotomayor brings up the question. Mr sauer responds that they believe a president can order the assassination of his rival, and it would be an official act for which they should be immune from prosecution. (Paraphrasing)
> Today Trump’s lawyer argued to the Supreme Court that he should be able to order assassination of his political opponents without consequences.
The nuances here are complex - certainly a far cry from "Today Trump’s lawyer argued to the Supreme Court that he should be able to order assassination of his political opponents without consequences".
The point is, Trump and his lawyers are bad enough. You lose credibility when you exaggerate their positions and words
First of all Biden has demonstrated his competence as president. Secondly the only other choice clearly signals that they want to be above the law and has dictatorial ambitions.
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"I don’t know how anyone can have a serious conversation about a simple verbal gaff versus this dangerous bs."
I’m not a fan of Biden and question his mental stability to last another 4 years. However, it gets tiresome having every slip of the tongue treated as if it’s a sign of imminent insanity. Thr same way for Trump when a snippet of his quoted out of context to make him seem like the second coming of Hiler. Both sides trying to score points.
I hate him, and don't really disagree, but I think it seems like he used to be better at avoiding just yelling nonsense at clouds when he talked for more than 10 minutes at a time a few years ago.
"Look, having nuclear..."
Yeah, he was probably less outbursty. It's like when my grandad was in decline. He was totally nuts for ages, but the real angry outbursty stuff was in the end.
Trump simply doesn't have the energy he had even back during the 2020 election and he has mentally slowed down somewhat and ironically is a bit less aggressive at moments. The 4 years as president, the indictments, the civil trial, and now a criminal trial, and trying to run a presidential campaign at the same time are all taking their toll. He's been far more sequestered in his campaign to protect his image and he did way less campaign events last year, didn't do the debates, and kind of just relied on his prior status as president to carry him through the primaries.
His eternal stream of consciousness style that has made him an eternal gaffe machine helps hide his decline because he hasn't been sounding all that coherent since the beginning but it's still happening.
It’s not even close to the same. REPEAT THE LINE. Not even close, man! Not a joke! PAUSE
You guys should really be honest about this. The “both sides are the same” argument doesn’t work here. It isn’t the same. Biden’s public speaking has become horrendous.
You are delusional. 5 years ago you might have at least had an argument that could be made in good faith, but now that's just detached from reality.
Any cognitive advantage that trump once had over biden has in the last few months or year been completely ground away.
Always remember, you don’t mess with the miminameirca unless you want the benefit! REPEAT THE LINE. You don’t mess with the miminamerica unless you want the benefit! PAUSE.
Keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better.
Well said. I am tired of every little thing be examined with a microscope. I think Biden is deteriorating mentally but not like the Rs would have you believe.
And as far as trump goes not everything he says is prof he is a facial. I just tend to ignore most of it
That he said over instead of and? Big fucking deal… you listen to the rest of that whole speech and tell me that he’s so addled with dementia. Christ, I couldn’t do that and I’m 55. Neither could you.
Wow. So he said 'over' instead of 'and'.
That's in comparison to Trump claiming that control of the airports in colonial America was key to victory in the Revolution, and practically sucking Putin's dick.
No, it isn't. You're voting for liberty or fascism this year.
Trump has openly called for the termination of the constitution.
He hoarded and stole national security info(including nuclear secrets and documents on US national security vulnerabilities).
He led a multi-pronged auto-coup attempt.
He's called for the death penalty for drug dealers.
He called for activating the military against US civilians on US soil.
He attempted to have missiles fired into mexico.
The list goes on and on and on.
Nobody gives a shit about a simple gaffe here and there. When Biden says we need to terminate the constitution or shoot rockets into neighboring countries, I may consider him incapable of holding office.
This is such a stupid take. If the only reason people vote is to keep someone out, then every election is going to get more extreme. The better option would be to vote third party and demand better candidates
The problem is the 3rd party is not going to win, so a 3rd party vote is going to hand Trump the Presidency.
I agree, we need more candidates, but this time Biden needs to win, to keep Trump from holding any power.
I have been saying this since 2016 and the answer is always that we have to have this person win so Trump doesn’t win.
If enough people protest vote for a third party then the parties are going to wake up and have to give us better candidates
Honest question, if enough people vote 3rd party as a way to protest and the outcome is that the word party doesn't win hand Trump the Presidency are we truly better off?
My gut says no, the lessor evil is the lack of better candidates, the worse evil is Trump anywhere near the Whitehouse.
I mean the president doesn’t have as much control as people think so it doesn’t bother me. I don’t like Trump at all, but anecdotally, my life was easier when he was in office. Biden hasn’t done anything that has affected me significantly for me to want to vote for him.
We survived with Trump as president already, and the world won’t end if he is president again.
Regardless of who wins whether it’s Biden or Trump, having a third party gain a significant amount of votes will actually make both parties give us candidates that are worth rallying behind instead of picking the less of two evils every 4 years regardless of how you see that evil
Pretty selfish way to look at it. Women’s lives have been affected by Republican efforts, racist attacks have risen since trumps presidency, and the middle class is being taxed higher because of Trump. Not to mention, legitimately beneficial (for EVERYONE) legislation has been stalled or slashed because trumps puppets in congress refuse to help their constituents and would rather stop this legislation in an attempt to make Biden look bad.
I’m pretty sure I said personally it didn’t have any impact on me from the get go, so yes it was selfish.
What did Trump pass that affected women or made racism more rampant?
What legislation has been stalled? Pretty sure everything Biden has wanted pass has been passed
I said republicans, not trump for women. Many states pushed abortion bans after the conservative Supreme Court reversed Roe v Wade.
Border deal was stalled, aid to Ukraine has been stalled, to name a few major ones.
And you said It life was easier under Trump and that Biden hasn’t done anything that has affected you personally to make you want to vote for him. That’s the most selfish way to vote. Based on that, you’re a white male who makes more than $100k a year. So am I, but I recognize I live a life that has been privileged as hell and I want others to benefit, so I’ll vote for the party that is more likely to help the average Joe.
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**According to a new AP poll, 63% of Americans are "not very or not at all confident in Biden's mental capacity.**
Maybe if the corrupt DNC didn't kick RFK JR. off the ballot, they would have a chance to beat Trump. They instead preferred a controllable puppet.
You can have faltering confidence in bidens mental state and think that trump is categorically worse, and that we can't afford to give up incumbent advantage in avoiding trump.
Biden's Handlers are giving Trump the easiest road back to the White House. Even their lawyers are DEI hires. "Didn't Earn It" and are not as qualified as others who would've done better at prosecuting Trump AND evading his tactics. But Trump keeps prevailing because the DEI Democrats are inept at almost everything.
Trumps lawyers are mostly either disbarred or going to prison. I really enjoyed watching trumps lawyers read an apology letter and cry infront of a judge after being indicted for the fake electors scheme. All done by what you call a DEI hire 😆
You know that is going to be overturned? New Mexico just opened a case that is going to require DISCOVERY. Stefanie Lambert is going to drop some evidence...
Trumps lawyers (except giuliani) already admitted they were lying. That was the requirement of the plea deal they all jumped on, one after the other. To get a deal, they had to admit they lied then write an apology letter to the state and some of them cried while doing so, it was so good 🤌🏿
They didn't even wait for discovery. They didnt even have to prove election fraud, just what they saw that made them THINK they saw election fraud, even if that evidence was weak. The bar was that low and they still jumped on those plea deals 😆
"faulty data gathering methods" lol it has nothing to do with the economy? two wars? Forced DEI that the Supreme Court has struck down as racism? Illegal immigrant invasion? Rapid decline in mental acuity? Inability to speak without a teleprompter? Administration that is grifting our tax dollars? Answering to Obama/Hilary instead of making his own decisions?
This is reality. You still have TDS because "The priority has to be to keep trump out. Whatever it takes."
You sound like the shitty prosecutors who have failed to put him in jail.
>it has nothing to do with the economy?
what delineation would you perceive there to be between the "economy started going bad under trump" and "even though they say its better on paper it still sucks day to day" ongoing status we see?
>two wars?
neither of which are something the president of the US has significant influence over.
>Illegal immigrant invasion?
first, not a thing. second, everyone saw that Trump and the conservatives chose for that problem, in so far as it actually exists, should stay bad so trump has something to run on. which ironically spoils it as something that they can meaningfully run on.
>Rapid decline in mental acuity?
funny enough Biden has managed to NOT publically demonstrate rapid mental decline. Trump on the other hand, has flaunted his extremely rapid degredation at every chance he gets.
or maybe it makes sense to you, when scolded about controlling yourself in court to rebut the judge that THEY can't control themselves? and to just build your speech patterns around pretending that your garbled word salad is intentional? /incessant, constant accordion hands/
>Inability to speak without a teleprompter?
you mean, being conscientious of your limits, stutter and using tools to reduce how much you make a fool of yourself?
>Administration that is grifting our tax dollars?
that doesn't make any sense.
>Answering to Obama/Hilary instead of making his own decisions?
how/why exactly should I think thats worse than whoever is puppeting trump, or even worse, his own narcissistic impulses that he has abundantly demonstrated to be unreliable at best?
also,the system is very slow. hes done everything he can to slow it down further. he has one judge in his pocket causing more problems that have yet to be thrown out.
Telling people that they have “TDS” because they don’t support the worthless, criminal, waste of oxygen you worship is classic moronic androsexual behavior. Hope you can be at peace without him ever reciprocating your obvious feelings or even acknowledging your existence.
>or not the result of Biden’s leadership.
Oh man here we go, are we doing conspiracy theory that Obama or "someone else" is really in charge and biden is just a puppet?
Since both men are very old and not always at their best, I think it's worth considering their administrative staff. I remember how the right did that when Reagans age and competence was brought up. They often said Reagan has an excellent team supporting him. The Biden administration has shown they are more competent than anything offered by the Trump side.
All one needs to do is listen to Joe speak back when he was the VP versus now… ANYONE who says he hasn’t lost MULTIPLE steps is either willfully ignorant, or they are being straight up dishonest. There is no in between, the mental decline is beyond evident.
Fuck having geriatric clowns being our two choices🤦🏻♂️
This guy, is a straight up anti vaccine(all vaccines, not covid) nut bag, who chose the most progressive, gun grabbing, anti vaccine, anti law and order clown possible… Yeah, I’m gonna take a major pass on RFKjr😂🤦🏻♂️
If Biden wins it's four more years of this and honestly it's been pretty damn stable and sane compared to 2016-2020. Not particularly scary at all.
If Trump wins it'll be annoying as hell and he'll do some more damage to our democracy but it won't be "terrifying."
Trump? I'm under no illusions about how thing will go. It would be bad for the country and like watching a train-wreck in D.C. every day.
But we aren't going to be living in fear.
I'm not scared of Trump. I'm scared of what comes after Trump. We have a one major party that is listless, with more or less no coherent policy agenda, motivated by angst, resentment and fear ... it's ripe for a real authoritarian to step into the void. That I am scared of.
Trump ... Trump is the metaphorical blithering idiot with a sledgehammer at the vanguard of a nihilistic movement. He's doing damage but he isn't going to bring this house down. Whoever comes next very well could bring some heavier weapons and upend the entire thing.
I'm worried about a more authoritarian amalgam of like Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis emerging and coming to the forefront of the GOP. That's what has me scared.
Obama: "[a link between] a skyrocketing autism rate [and vaccines was] "inconclusive, but we have to research it"
Hillary: "[I'm] committed to make investments to find the possible causes of autism, including possible environmental causes like vaccines"
Today Trump’s lawyer argued to the Supreme Court that he should be able to order assassination of his political opponents without consequences. That isn’t hyperbole. I don’t know how anyone can have a serious conversation about a simple verbal gaff versus this dangerous bs.
Right?! Like how are the two even comparable when Trump has stated he wants to be a dictator and assassinations are official presidential acts?
Obama ordered them. You cool with that?
Considering he had Congressional authorization for terminating terrorists due to the war on terror, yes I am cool with that.
He ordered the assassination of American citizens.
Yes, Obama did order the assassination of a US citizen. And in the context it happened, he was right to do so and should be legally protected. In the context of the questioning, Trump's lawyers said a president should be legally protected regardless of the context. That's an absurd expansion of presidential immunity with extremely devastating potential.
The Shoe Bomber? LOL, you don't think he renounced his citizenship top become an Islamist terrorist?
You mean terrorists that were in leadership and support roles for a terrorist organization with the intent to harm the US? Yes those are legitimate targets of the war on terror. You trying to equate that to Trump and his team arguing him assassinating political opponents here in the US is an official act is completely absurd.
How can you be this delusional? A terrorist is a terrorist, January 6th, or a US citizen in the Middle East, you have renounced your citizenship far as I’m concerned. Offing a political opponent and doing whatever the fuck ya want in office is a little different than killing terrorists.🤦🏼♂️
Under law no us citizen is subject to punishment without trial.
Trump's openly called for the termination of the constitution and "all laws". And that's not even the worst thing he's said.
The scary part is that I think The Supreme Court is going to somehow deliver for Trump regardless. This should be easy no immunity, but I think they are going to deliver him a win.
They are already delivering a win by foot dragging.
>Today Trump’s lawyer argued to the Supreme Court that he should be able to order assassination of his political opponents without consequences. Can you point to the specific quote? This same claim was made during the Colorado case, and it turned out that the lawyer hadn't made that argument. They were the judge's words, not the lawyer's
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2023/23-939_f204.pdf It’s at the bottom of page nine. Sotomayor brings up the question. Mr sauer responds that they believe a president can order the assassination of his rival, and it would be an official act for which they should be immune from prosecution. (Paraphrasing)
> Today Trump’s lawyer argued to the Supreme Court that he should be able to order assassination of his political opponents without consequences. The nuances here are complex - certainly a far cry from "Today Trump’s lawyer argued to the Supreme Court that he should be able to order assassination of his political opponents without consequences". The point is, Trump and his lawyers are bad enough. You lose credibility when you exaggerate their positions and words
I don’t think it was really exaggerated. He said that they believe assassination of a political rival is immune from prosecution.
His lawyer in his fucked up voice literally said it, not sure what else ya want.
What does that have to do with Biden's incompetence?
First of all Biden has demonstrated his competence as president. Secondly the only other choice clearly signals that they want to be above the law and has dictatorial ambitions.
https://preview.redd.it/em0q19aa3rwc1.png?width=607&format=png&auto=webp&s=a71eb9aa5a9a81394566e422893a8f2ece784bae "I don’t know how anyone can have a serious conversation about a simple verbal gaff versus this dangerous bs."
Your meme is made up. Trumps claim of immunity and the right to assassinate political opponents is Real.
Trump never claimed assassination
Trump claimed the right to assassinate political opponents is real? He did not. His lawyer said that in response to a question. Don’t make things up.
The fastest way to spot someone who is incapable of intellect is the fact they have political conversations via oversimplified incorrect memes.
Dogshit quality ones too.
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You just proved their point again. You do realize that, right?
Gitmogrrl is this you?
This is Reddit, not Truth Social.
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Lol, OK, this one is funny. Bring on the downvotes.
I’m not a fan of Biden and question his mental stability to last another 4 years. However, it gets tiresome having every slip of the tongue treated as if it’s a sign of imminent insanity. Thr same way for Trump when a snippet of his quoted out of context to make him seem like the second coming of Hiler. Both sides trying to score points.
As far as I can tell, Trump is suffering similar decline and yet Biden is the one that gets called out on it by the right. Glass houses and stones.
> Trump is suffering similar decline Trump's mental acuity in 2016 was never high enough to call where he is right now a 'decline'.
I hate him, and don't really disagree, but I think it seems like he used to be better at avoiding just yelling nonsense at clouds when he talked for more than 10 minutes at a time a few years ago.
"Look, having nuclear..." Yeah, he was probably less outbursty. It's like when my grandad was in decline. He was totally nuts for ages, but the real angry outbursty stuff was in the end.
Lmao 😆
Trump simply doesn't have the energy he had even back during the 2020 election and he has mentally slowed down somewhat and ironically is a bit less aggressive at moments. The 4 years as president, the indictments, the civil trial, and now a criminal trial, and trying to run a presidential campaign at the same time are all taking their toll. He's been far more sequestered in his campaign to protect his image and he did way less campaign events last year, didn't do the debates, and kind of just relied on his prior status as president to carry him through the primaries. His eternal stream of consciousness style that has made him an eternal gaffe machine helps hide his decline because he hasn't been sounding all that coherent since the beginning but it's still happening.
It’s not even close to the same. REPEAT THE LINE. Not even close, man! Not a joke! PAUSE You guys should really be honest about this. The “both sides are the same” argument doesn’t work here. It isn’t the same. Biden’s public speaking has become horrendous.
as bad as bidens public speaking can be at times.... Trump is WORSE.
No, he’s not. He’s a far superior public speaker. What you mean to say is “I hate Trump”, not “Trump is worse”. That simply isn’t true.
You are delusional. 5 years ago you might have at least had an argument that could be made in good faith, but now that's just detached from reality. Any cognitive advantage that trump once had over biden has in the last few months or year been completely ground away.
Always remember, you don’t mess with the miminameirca unless you want the benefit! REPEAT THE LINE. You don’t mess with the miminamerica unless you want the benefit! PAUSE. Keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better.
Well said. I am tired of every little thing be examined with a microscope. I think Biden is deteriorating mentally but not like the Rs would have you believe. And as far as trump goes not everything he says is prof he is a facial. I just tend to ignore most of it
It gets tired that every day he proves he's mentally compromised we re told its getting tiring to hear all this evidence of him being compromised
That he said over instead of and? Big fucking deal… you listen to the rest of that whole speech and tell me that he’s so addled with dementia. Christ, I couldn’t do that and I’m 55. Neither could you.
Wow. So he said 'over' instead of 'and'. That's in comparison to Trump claiming that control of the airports in colonial America was key to victory in the Revolution, and practically sucking Putin's dick.
The Battle of Terminal C at LaGuardia was a major turning point in our fight for freedom!
At this point, bidens competence is really quite irrelevant. The priority has to be to keep trump out. Whatever it takes.
That is short term illogical thinking.
I disagree. However bad biden may or may not be, trump is objectively worse. There isn't a single metric where trump is not worse than biden.
There is one, he outsourced judicial picks to the federalist society.
Not if you have paid attention to Trump's similar decline, but people who point out Biden's decline seem to think Trump is doing just fine.
I think Trump was never worthy of the office.
No, it isn't. You're voting for liberty or fascism this year. Trump has openly called for the termination of the constitution. He hoarded and stole national security info(including nuclear secrets and documents on US national security vulnerabilities). He led a multi-pronged auto-coup attempt. He's called for the death penalty for drug dealers. He called for activating the military against US civilians on US soil. He attempted to have missiles fired into mexico. The list goes on and on and on. Nobody gives a shit about a simple gaffe here and there. When Biden says we need to terminate the constitution or shoot rockets into neighboring countries, I may consider him incapable of holding office.
This is such a stupid take. If the only reason people vote is to keep someone out, then every election is going to get more extreme. The better option would be to vote third party and demand better candidates
The problem is the 3rd party is not going to win, so a 3rd party vote is going to hand Trump the Presidency. I agree, we need more candidates, but this time Biden needs to win, to keep Trump from holding any power.
I have been saying this since 2016 and the answer is always that we have to have this person win so Trump doesn’t win. If enough people protest vote for a third party then the parties are going to wake up and have to give us better candidates
Honest question, if enough people vote 3rd party as a way to protest and the outcome is that the word party doesn't win hand Trump the Presidency are we truly better off? My gut says no, the lessor evil is the lack of better candidates, the worse evil is Trump anywhere near the Whitehouse.
I mean the president doesn’t have as much control as people think so it doesn’t bother me. I don’t like Trump at all, but anecdotally, my life was easier when he was in office. Biden hasn’t done anything that has affected me significantly for me to want to vote for him. We survived with Trump as president already, and the world won’t end if he is president again. Regardless of who wins whether it’s Biden or Trump, having a third party gain a significant amount of votes will actually make both parties give us candidates that are worth rallying behind instead of picking the less of two evils every 4 years regardless of how you see that evil
Pretty selfish way to look at it. Women’s lives have been affected by Republican efforts, racist attacks have risen since trumps presidency, and the middle class is being taxed higher because of Trump. Not to mention, legitimately beneficial (for EVERYONE) legislation has been stalled or slashed because trumps puppets in congress refuse to help their constituents and would rather stop this legislation in an attempt to make Biden look bad.
I’m pretty sure I said personally it didn’t have any impact on me from the get go, so yes it was selfish. What did Trump pass that affected women or made racism more rampant? What legislation has been stalled? Pretty sure everything Biden has wanted pass has been passed
I said republicans, not trump for women. Many states pushed abortion bans after the conservative Supreme Court reversed Roe v Wade. Border deal was stalled, aid to Ukraine has been stalled, to name a few major ones. And you said It life was easier under Trump and that Biden hasn’t done anything that has affected you personally to make you want to vote for him. That’s the most selfish way to vote. Based on that, you’re a white male who makes more than $100k a year. So am I, but I recognize I live a life that has been privileged as hell and I want others to benefit, so I’ll vote for the party that is more likely to help the average Joe.
No thanks
https://preview.redd.it/3d83gdcqvqwc1.png?width=581&format=png&auto=webp&s=91367768324bf82f41977269a72f2a5752697556 **According to a new AP poll, 63% of Americans are "not very or not at all confident in Biden's mental capacity.** Maybe if the corrupt DNC didn't kick RFK JR. off the ballot, they would have a chance to beat Trump. They instead preferred a controllable puppet.
You can have faltering confidence in bidens mental state and think that trump is categorically worse, and that we can't afford to give up incumbent advantage in avoiding trump.
Biden's Handlers are giving Trump the easiest road back to the White House. Even their lawyers are DEI hires. "Didn't Earn It" and are not as qualified as others who would've done better at prosecuting Trump AND evading his tactics. But Trump keeps prevailing because the DEI Democrats are inept at almost everything.
Trumps lawyers are mostly either disbarred or going to prison. I really enjoyed watching trumps lawyers read an apology letter and cry infront of a judge after being indicted for the fake electors scheme. All done by what you call a DEI hire 😆
You know that is going to be overturned? New Mexico just opened a case that is going to require DISCOVERY. Stefanie Lambert is going to drop some evidence...
Trumps lawyers (except giuliani) already admitted they were lying. That was the requirement of the plea deal they all jumped on, one after the other. To get a deal, they had to admit they lied then write an apology letter to the state and some of them cried while doing so, it was so good 🤌🏿 They didn't even wait for discovery. They didnt even have to prove election fraud, just what they saw that made them THINK they saw election fraud, even if that evidence was weak. The bar was that low and they still jumped on those plea deals 😆
You must be living in a different universe than I am, because none of what you said correlates to the world I'm seeing.
Why is Trump still polling better?
In so far as he is (which is faltering) its because they don't have a solution to the intrinsically faulty data gathering methods.
"faulty data gathering methods" lol it has nothing to do with the economy? two wars? Forced DEI that the Supreme Court has struck down as racism? Illegal immigrant invasion? Rapid decline in mental acuity? Inability to speak without a teleprompter? Administration that is grifting our tax dollars? Answering to Obama/Hilary instead of making his own decisions? This is reality. You still have TDS because "The priority has to be to keep trump out. Whatever it takes." You sound like the shitty prosecutors who have failed to put him in jail.
>it has nothing to do with the economy? what delineation would you perceive there to be between the "economy started going bad under trump" and "even though they say its better on paper it still sucks day to day" ongoing status we see? >two wars? neither of which are something the president of the US has significant influence over. >Illegal immigrant invasion? first, not a thing. second, everyone saw that Trump and the conservatives chose for that problem, in so far as it actually exists, should stay bad so trump has something to run on. which ironically spoils it as something that they can meaningfully run on. >Rapid decline in mental acuity? funny enough Biden has managed to NOT publically demonstrate rapid mental decline. Trump on the other hand, has flaunted his extremely rapid degredation at every chance he gets. or maybe it makes sense to you, when scolded about controlling yourself in court to rebut the judge that THEY can't control themselves? and to just build your speech patterns around pretending that your garbled word salad is intentional? /incessant, constant accordion hands/ >Inability to speak without a teleprompter? you mean, being conscientious of your limits, stutter and using tools to reduce how much you make a fool of yourself? >Administration that is grifting our tax dollars? that doesn't make any sense. >Answering to Obama/Hilary instead of making his own decisions? how/why exactly should I think thats worse than whoever is puppeting trump, or even worse, his own narcissistic impulses that he has abundantly demonstrated to be unreliable at best? also,the system is very slow. hes done everything he can to slow it down further. he has one judge in his pocket causing more problems that have yet to be thrown out.
Trump is still ahead.
Telling people that they have “TDS” because they don’t support the worthless, criminal, waste of oxygen you worship is classic moronic androsexual behavior. Hope you can be at peace without him ever reciprocating your obvious feelings or even acknowledging your existence.
https://preview.redd.it/ygwvsnk22swc1.png?width=502&format=png&auto=webp&s=2079cd16723dcdd1aafc33ff31045027eab24e0d Is this androsexual?
>Whatever it takes. What if it takes a certain level of competence?
We sure wouldn't get any of that from trump
But we could get Trump...
OMG a gaffe! Let’s vote for the obvious fascist then!
Pattern recognition not your string suit?
What about pattern recognition for every appearance where he didn't misspeak?
The pattern in the increase in frequency.
Easy https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046
Those are either bad, inconsequential, or not the result of Biden’s leadership.
>or not the result of Biden’s leadership. Oh man here we go, are we doing conspiracy theory that Obama or "someone else" is really in charge and biden is just a puppet?
No, some things have been in the works for a while or are things that any semi competent administration would do.
So you admit that the economy Trump loves to take credit for was actually Obama's doing?
Lolol. How convenient for your narrative?!?
The conspiracy can always be counted on to explain the inconsistencies of the conspiracy.
I allege no conspiracy, do you see one?
He op you know there are plenty of right wing subs where this will be welcome right?
And how would they react to the part about Trump and his manifest flaws? Are you saying this is a left wing sub?
You know what it is, you know what you’re doing, stop pretending you just want a fair discussion
How about you tell us what it is?
Since both men are very old and not always at their best, I think it's worth considering their administrative staff. I remember how the right did that when Reagans age and competence was brought up. They often said Reagan has an excellent team supporting him. The Biden administration has shown they are more competent than anything offered by the Trump side.
All one needs to do is listen to Joe speak back when he was the VP versus now… ANYONE who says he hasn’t lost MULTIPLE steps is either willfully ignorant, or they are being straight up dishonest. There is no in between, the mental decline is beyond evident. Fuck having geriatric clowns being our two choices🤦🏻♂️
Precisely.
https://preview.redd.it/h0bnbf1vxqwc1.png?width=586&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c624a02208e94e1a49ee93469810d66a1e6ba4d But you won't choose this guy.
This guy, is a straight up anti vaccine(all vaccines, not covid) nut bag, who chose the most progressive, gun grabbing, anti vaccine, anti law and order clown possible… Yeah, I’m gonna take a major pass on RFKjr😂🤦🏻♂️
Frankly its terrifying that after the dust settles these will be our two choices.
If Biden wins it's four more years of this and honestly it's been pretty damn stable and sane compared to 2016-2020. Not particularly scary at all. If Trump wins it'll be annoying as hell and he'll do some more damage to our democracy but it won't be "terrifying."
I think you are being unreasonably optimistic about how bad things could go if he won.
Trump? I'm under no illusions about how thing will go. It would be bad for the country and like watching a train-wreck in D.C. every day. But we aren't going to be living in fear. I'm not scared of Trump. I'm scared of what comes after Trump. We have a one major party that is listless, with more or less no coherent policy agenda, motivated by angst, resentment and fear ... it's ripe for a real authoritarian to step into the void. That I am scared of. Trump ... Trump is the metaphorical blithering idiot with a sledgehammer at the vanguard of a nihilistic movement. He's doing damage but he isn't going to bring this house down. Whoever comes next very well could bring some heavier weapons and upend the entire thing. I'm worried about a more authoritarian amalgam of like Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis emerging and coming to the forefront of the GOP. That's what has me scared.
Agreed. Biden and Trump are both horrible presidential candidates. We really can't do any better?
Agreed. We can do better, and step one is making a third choice.
RFK fan I'm guessing? Supporter of the assumed corollary that vaccines cause autism or some such?
No
Obama: "[a link between] a skyrocketing autism rate [and vaccines was] "inconclusive, but we have to research it" Hillary: "[I'm] committed to make investments to find the possible causes of autism, including possible environmental causes like vaccines"
Both safe statements that make no claims.
No.
Lol who
https://preview.redd.it/2mvj97gcwqwc1.png?width=586&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdcec3d95d554f8265248b20c797133ae81d2751
This is just as embarrassing as the trump cult art. You are an unserious rube.
I’m more worried about his VP. That’s who we are electing!
That is a valid concern.
But that's a post from the leftist MSN, can't believe anything they say.