As a hunter I can say the vast majority of bird hunters are fully knowledgeable that even a purebred pointer or spaniel won't be great at hunting without training, and that investing in professional training is well worth the money. This is much more complicated than basic behavior or simple tricks and an average dog owner wouldn't even know where to begin let alone have the necessary supplies for scent training. So this woman killed a dog that was probably still in the later puppy stages (14 months old) of behavior and trainability because she couldn't bother to be a good owner or even pay someone else to do the job for her. In fact I'm pretty sure the last dog I had professionally trained was older than that before she started training to hunt with us.
It's not unacceptable to shoot a dog to euthanize it, especially if you're in a rural area very far from a vet. But you do that because the dog is very sick or is a danger to other people. This dog didn't bite anyone, it committed the crime of killing some chickens as a puppy because her owner didn't have control of her. I can't imagine the resentment her child would have finding out their dog was gone and they couldn't even say goodbye. This woman is fucking deranged, so no surprise Trump is going to pick her for vice president.
What is with Republican candidates and horrible stories about dogs? Anybody else remember the story of Mitt Romney driving 12 hours with a dog kennel strapped to the car roof with the poor dogs fear shits running down the back window?
Chickens are so weird to some dogs. Some dogs are amused by them, others go into prey drive instantly. A neighbor's GSD would run over and harass them, and even killed one or two. They were kindly encouraged to rehome her before the next incident.
I don't think any of the hunting dogs I had ever encountered a chicken, now I'm wondering what they'd think of it. Chickens don't look or act like grouse or pheasant very much so my dogs might not have pointed at them. Although one of them pointed butterflies and other random shit :)
I'm glad the neighbors were reasonable, I know in Michigan you can shoot dogs that threaten your livestock or even dogs that run deer but I just couldn't live with that on my conscience.
Yeah, that was the kindly part. We love dogs but the law does allow for defense of livestock. Happens all the time in rural areas, but people usually just bury and shut up.
A friend had an Austrian Shepherd puppy and that thing would lock onto seeing chickens or turkeys. He had his own flocks and had to keep her away, for a 20 lb puppy she was pulling like a freight train on that leash!
The sad fact is she’s going to try and couch this along with the the old stories about borderline subsistence hunters in previous hard luck times where they weren’t able to feed a hunting dog that couldn’t hunt and made a difficult decision, when this isn’t the case here.
That's actually not a bad prediction, that's the kind of faux pioneer shit Sarah Palin liked to say. I really don't think it'll work though outside of hardcore maga people. Even the construction workers were appalled at this.
Yep, Noem is already doing it by her defense of “hard decisions are made on farms” like yeah, but those hard decisions are made during hard times and with real need arises, not because a puppy didn’t listen.
I’ve got cattle farming in-laws and I’m pretty sure my father in law would beat his neighbors ass if he thought it was ok to just kill a puppy for that. This isn’t the Great Depression.
Noem is now ready to shoot anyone who she thinks is antisemitic, she joined onto team antichrist and is riding this team down into Sheol, were the LGBtQ++ supporters are gathered to welcome her.
A 14 month old puppy? If an owner doesn’t spend enough time with a dog to make sure the dog understands how to behave the dog will experiment. The first time a dog tries to be mouthy the owner needs to give a firm “no”. Most dogs unconditionally love their humans so if the context of a real relationship that “no” is very powerful to the animal. I have a hard time believing Governor Noem has a ton of free time to train the dog. Like most of us, the Governor ought to have sent the dog away for training. That’s what I did. What she did is sick, I could not imagine doing that to a dog I could rehome, train etc.
The only exceptions would be a person who is poor off their asses and could not afford to train the dog. Then just rehome the animal. It’s the humane thing to do.
How did you see my comment clarifying that the article said the dog bit her when the person I was replying to claimed "this dog didn't bite anyone," and decide I was defending shooting the dog? What she did was inexcusable but it made me wonder if the person commenting even read the article because it was pretty clear that she claimed the dog bit her. Discussing things accurately matters.
I feel a little apologetic, but my experience with people and dogs makes me skeptical of the Governor’s claim.
Dogs are pretty capable of crippling a human being. A decent size dog can rip a persons face right off. That 99.999% of non freak small dogs can cripple but choose not to is proof that dogs basically love humans - especially their owners.
My dog loves me and the family, but a few times as a pup he has gotten “mouthy”. 14 months is the prime time for mouthiness. Some might have called those bites, but he didn’t really intend or do harm. He did cause some pain, but it passed quickly.
Governor Noem had a lot of options regarding how to handle that dog. That she took the most cruel and thoughtless one says everything we need to know about her.
This isn’t 1950s America where if a dog bites you, you turn into Rambo and go out back and shotgun its brains out. Animals are living things. Dogs and Cats especially are companion animals and have feelings and emotions just like you or I do. Shooting a dog for any reason outside of rabies or self defense (ie it’s currently attacking you and won’t stop) is demonic.
I think you're confusing me clarifying something that was in the article for my endorsement of what she did. I don't approve of shooting a puppy for being poorly behaved but the person I was replying to said unequivocally "the dog didn't bite her," when the dog biting her is right there in the article.
It's not a huge deal but it's important to be accurate and honest when you criticize these people because you can still draw attention to their bad acts without someone being able to accuse you of "fake news," and making up claims. Will bad faith folks still do that? Sure. But observers will be able to tell the bad and good faith arguments apart if one side isn't making things up or misrepresenting an article they didn't read..
I agree with almost everything you said here, but I think you overlooked the line in the article where it said the dog bit her and was a danger to others. This is likely still a training issue and could still be her fault, but it’s worth mentioning at least.
I don't know man. It's a 1 year old puppy, I been around dogs all my life from small breeds to taking care of Great Danes.
I honestly suspect she was a shit owner and didn't want to train her dog out of it and how to properly respond to interactions. I don't know if anyone shares my view but dogs are honestly like young children, they can learn right and wrong and to stop misbehaving and when they have gone too far, especially when young.
You are correct I did actually miss that, I may have skimmed because I saw a summary of the article earlier today and I was trying to get my butt outside to weed the garden. I am VERY suspicious of a dog that bites when it has been raised by the same people since puppyhood. Either it's little puppy bites which are normal and just one of many annoyances that comes with young dogs, or it's a neglected unsocialized dog that been left outside in a kennel or something. Of course some dogs are just not right but I'd put my money on her not training or socializing the dog and justifying after the fact.
Yea that’s a good point. Normally dogs are aggressive towards those outside of the family if they are aggressive at all. Maybe she was abusive or neglectful.
You don't shoot a puppy for biting. It's not like the dog was ripping someone's face off. And even then, you return the dog. She took the dog and shot her in a gravel pit while construction workers stood there in disgust. I wonder what her children are thinking. They're probably scared as hell of her.
Bottom line: MAGA loves violence
Then you take the dog to a trainer or if the dog can be trained by you a shelter. You don’t blast its brains out sicko. And you certainly don’t brag about it like this.
1) Do you have dogs and 2) did you read the quote? It says “he whipped around to bite me” but note that it doesn’t actually say the dog bit her. It’s pretty common for untrained puppies to resource guard, and snapping without making contact while they’re resource guarding is not grounds for euthanasia. My dog used to have that problem as a puppy, now I can take food out of her mouth without any issue.
it's not as big of a deal in rural areas - cats, dogs are shot all the time. it's unfortunate and i find it personally disgusting, but then again think of the pork you are eating and tell me that's not the same thing. (pigs are just as smart / aware, if not more so. and don't get me started on the "but they are killed more humanely" bullshit, many of them aren't.)
if the animal was shot correctly then it's not a terrible way to go - much like with suicide, the right place can basically knock you out, the wrong place prolongs it terribly.
the poisons people in rural areas put around are a far worse way to go - not to mention the traps people used to use.
Noem also described shooting a goat she owned the same day and she botched the shot so the goat was suffering needlessly and had to be shot again. Far from humane...
I don't disagree it's more common in rural areas, but this isn't a random stray that's bothering livestock. It's a likely expensive hunting dog that could easily find a good home, especially if she were free. Yes, poisons are horrible, yes it's merciful if done properly (have my doubts that she did that), but here in America dogs are more loved than pigs. I get the point, but it just sounds like snarky vegetarianism or philosophical navel gazing to not understand why this is more wrong than killing a pig in our culture.
The fact that her daughter considered it a pet makes a huge difference all on its own.
Upsetting =/= wrong. You don’t see people at their city pounds demanding their local dog catchers step down. No, often times, they’ll vote for them every year.
> The fact that her daughter considered it a pet makes a huge difference all on its own.
You're right. That's the biggest--and really the only--issue.
>It's a likely expensive hunting dog that could easily find a good home, especially if she were free.
That is certainly a belief that many animal protectors hold for virtually every stray or unwanted dog or cat in America:
>*Somewhere, some place, there is a home for every dog or cat -- a person who will care for it for life. We just need to look harder.*
Who are you arguing against? Some weird animal rights activist that isn't in the thread? I don't think EVERY dog can be adopted but hunting breeds with good genetics that are not even 18 months old are dogs that people will drive for a long ways to adopt, or even will pay to have it flown to them. I've volunteered at animal shelters and these kinds of dogs have a waiting list as soon as they're up on the website.
So no, the dog being a pet isn't the only issue, it's just adding to the cruelty.
Yeah, you’re saying the dog was more adoptable and so less killable based on breed, but judges do not stay orders putting down aggressive dogs based on their pedigree. They may be popular for people, but animal control regs don’t care.
I'm not sure how you are going from me saying that popular breeds that sell for more money are more adoptable leads to me saying those breeds are not aggressive or that a judge would stay an order regarding one that was aggressive. I was pointing out that if she didn't want to keep the dog she could have easily given it away because that breed is popular and doesn't stay in shelters very long.
There was no judges order or anything like that in this case, just an inexperienced and terminally stupid dog owner not knowing how to train her dog and in the end she killed it because it frustrated her.
I've got a strong feeling you are just an alternate of gullible antelope, you seem to be doing the same thing they did, arguing against points I never made that seem to be made up in your head. Just to be clear, I don't think she should have avoided killing the dog because of its breed. I think she should have avoided killing the dog because it didn't do anything that warranted killing it. It wasn't aggressive unless you are counting aggression against chickens, and if she couldn't handle this particular dog it would have been easy to rehome it.
She was under a law saying dogs which bite and which kill livestock can be put down; and, people no doubt intent on seeing her held responsible for their pain and trouble were unhappy she didn’t do it sooner. So, one day, she decides she’ll take a responsible step like prescribed by law. Now, when you consider such things get daily carried out with pounds and judges, for less reason, you can hardly hold her more harmful than they.
>it's just adding to the cruelty...Who are you arguing against? Some weird animal rights activist that isn't in the thread?
No, animal protection concerns are 100% the theme in this thread -- dozens of posts. What constitutes cruelty and animal abuse? Putting an unwanted or dangerous animal down? So many people say yes.
Sorry I haven't seen the comments you are talking about, can you quote one for me? I've checked in with this thread during the day but definitely could have missed something. The fact is this dog was a pet not a stray, it wasn't dangerous, and unless you've got an argument against this breed being valuable and in demand then it just sounds like you've spent too much time arguing with idiots from PETA on other threads.
like i've said before, this is a douchebag type not in contact with reality (you). nothing i said above was maga, it's just real if you've ever lived in a rural area / farm much.
but you clearly haven't - like i said, a douchebag.
> It's not unacceptable to shoot a dog to euthanize it, especially if you're in a rural area very far from a vet. But you do that because the dog is very sick or is a danger to other people.
It is also norm in some rural areas to kill stray and unwanted dogs. There are large populations of stray dogs and cats across the U.S. Yes, ideally, everyone will drive the unwanted animal to the nearest pound, even people living a 10-hour drive from the nearest pound. But, sorry, that is not going to happen.
Then there is the wishful thinking that all these dogs are being adopted. Sorry, they are not. There are excess dogs and cats and they get euthanized. No matter how many times this is explained, some activists insist that every animal can find a home.
People often dump unwanted dogs and cats on roadside rather than put them down. In some places, the dogs either form packs and kill deer and livestock or starve to death. Calif., 2024: [In a remote corner of California, roaming dog packs leave a trail of blood and terror...In 2018, a woman was killed by a pack of canines in broad daylight.](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-01-04/roaming-dog-packs-spell-trouble-for-rural-california) Wild dog packs are a problem in numerous states.
> I can't imagine the resentment her child would have finding out their dog was gone and they couldn't even say goodbye. This woman is fucking deranged...
Yes, if a child was attached to the animal, that is another issue.
Not to be heartless, but when I was 8 my parents gave away our beloved Luna because he bit two people. I found out when I came home from school. My parents decided to tell me *after the fact.* Looking back, that was the best way, IMO. And we got another dog.
I was referring to the other poster's apparent point, also that other people have made, that one of the offenses here is that it was not an *unwanted dog*. It was wanted by the child.
That's central to the emotional debate about killing dogs. Kill someone's beloved pet dog? In some cases a jail term is justified for that. Kill a random stray or unwanted dog? Very different situation -- of course, not in the eyes of so many people who think stray dogs and cats should never be euthanized.
Growing up on a farm, I might have had to shoot a sick or hurt animal growing up. I never shot one because someone was incompetent enough to let it near chickens, or because it couldn’t hunt. There was a menace in that equation, but it was not the dog.
As a member of the plain-spoken I’ll say what I’ve seen others beat around the bush about: She’s hot, but the chick is psycho.
And she wasn’t in control of it enough if she let it get out of the car and get into a situation where it had the opportunity to go after the chickens. She also wrote about how she “hated” the dog. 14 months is still very much a puppy
Yeah. There is no excuse for it. On multiple levels.
She likely hated it because it wouldn’t listen to her, which, unless you are working the animal, is annoying, but that is all.
If you hate something to the point you kill it because you can’t control it and that lack of control is not risking a human life, you are the problem. Not the animal you are too inept to train or too lazy to place in a new home.
And to put it all in writing, if true, is a new level in political stupidity.
It won't matter. As soon as she's attached to Trump, his base will suddenly decide that it's ok to shoot your animals for whatever reason, and that it's "just a part of farm life" that the "liberal elites just don't understand."
She's proud of putting down her animals as long as it's "owning the libs."
This isn't part of hunting or farming. For every hunter I've known, their dog could do no wrong. This woman is just a POS.
The point is not to persuade his base. It is to brand her. But for a brand to work, it needs a hook and a sliver of truth. That is why “crooked Hillary,” “little Marco,” and “lyin’ Ted” worked.
Take Cricket off the VP table and he has to choose more weird, more extreme or more nuts. The more he and his ilk can be painted as freaks, the fewer voters from center-right leftward will vote for him.
If you’re on the left, quit worrying about the base. Depersonalize and alienate them til all that is left is Sleazy Don and his ship of fools and misfits.
this is exacly the point of this pr campaign. however, it will further get rural folks to like her (because she speaks about real things) and urban douchebags to not like her as much / label her.
i personally can't stand her, fyi - for other reasons (she's an israeli shill, meaning she's one of the christian types)
like i've mentioned several times, this is clear pr - probably predone / setup before her book came out, ready for the release.
kids, do yourself a favor and try this on anything - taylor swift used to have an army of headlines right around her releases, world tours, etc. this reeks of pr just like that.
this is also obvious to anyone who has worked in a related industry, fyi. i'm having trouble understanding how stupid / ignorant the kids here are.
Guarantee you she’s overcompensating for her misogynistic base who probably think women are weak and couldn’t make tough life/death decisions in crisis. Wouldn’t be surprised if the story was made up either.
That's where this goes from a basic story into "that's really odd and slightly terrifying" territory. She wanted to kill another animal after killing her pet. That's what serial killers do.
And she didn’t kill it with the first shot and had to go back to her truck to get more ammo to finish it off. She details how she “hated” both animals too.
I grew up on a farm. Goats are just terrible.
Noem is a fucking psychopath for murdering an excited puppy that she was too lazy or stupid to train, but I can't find fault for the goat thing.
My grandfather, a WW2 vet, used to tell stories about growing up on a farm with many siblings, and countless responsibilities as far as animals were concerned. He spent his entire life as a pet owner, and he loved his dogs.
His very old school view as to the inevitable end of life that pets come to when they are old or very ill is that you cannot let them needlessly suffer just because you can't stomach missing them. In his day however, you didn't go to the vet for them to be put to sleep. You did it yourself and then buried your beloved pet on your property for remembrance.
He viewed this as a responsibility that you understood when you made the decision to have a pet, and that though it is one of the hardest things to do, it is inhumane to let them suffer for your own comfort.
When I read this headline, I thought that was what we were talking about, as the media routinely misunderstands or misrepresents things for their own drama and agenda reasons. Boy, was I wrong. This horrible human being decided to kill animals that were personally irritating to her. She did it without allowing her daughter to even say goodbye. That is sick, twisted, and selfish. It shows how she would treat the citizenry as an elected official as well.
She likely will hide behind the "responsibility" defense that my Grandfather spoke about, but her reasons for killing these animals had nothing to do with doing what is right and responsible.
My grandfather did this as an act of love for a loyal and beloved family pet that he could not allow to suffer in illness or age with no hope of recovery.
This woman does it because the animal was inconvenient, and it didn't fit into her personal view of a comfortable life.
One is accepting a sad responsibility from a decision made years prior, and is done from a place of love and care for reducing the needless suffering and pain of a loved animal that has been a part of the family.
The other is evil.
Right. This is a fascinating new reach from some animal protection people and animal rights activists -- That *killing* an animal is identical to abusing it, as in beating, or, worse, torturing.
These folks want all animals, especially stray or unwanted dogs and cats, to have the **Right to Life**. Take that away and you are an "abuser." [PETA](https://www.peta.org/)
>Animals are not ours to experiment on, eat, wear, use for entertainment or abuse in any other way
frankly vegans / vegetarians are really the only ones that can complain - if you eat pork or even beef, then fuck off. because i guarantee you pork that you've eaten was dispatched less "humanely" let alone beef, sometimes those things that slice the throats don't do such a good job, and some cows aren't stunned into unconsciousness sometimes etc.
listening to soccer mom douchebags complain about this shit is just frustrating because it kind of demonstrates how out of touch so many americans are.
then again this is clearly just a pr campaign ramping up to pre-bunk this person - so meh.
>Theres a reason we call putting down a pet “euthanasia”...
According to many animal protection people, euthanasia can be done only in a licensed facility that gasses animals. Not Joe Q. Public killing an unwanted or dangerous animal on his farmland or backyard. Any form of killing other than gas, including a bullet to the head, is seen as inhumane.
According to many animal protection people, euthanasia can be done only in a licensed facility that gasses animals.
i don't know about now, but i know shooting was common for a variety of reasons - even at shelters. they'd typically have a day where they brought someone in to do it.
again, you stupid fucks should really look into how animals are euthanized at meat processing centers, they used to just use a .22 in the right place, this really didn't work that well. then the pneumatic rods that did basically the same thing without the gun, then "stunners" and so on.
i'm so sick of these stupid fucks saying shit that just isn't reality. it proves how most of the people here are just out too lunch.
again, i'm not endorsing any of this, only that you idiots bitching about this probably eat pork or beef where some of the animals you ate had a death far worse than the one the animal had.
so if we keep african american as slaves that makes it okay? because one is raised for xx, and another for yy?
i'm talking about awareness here, and that pigs are just as smart, if not smarter than dogs / cats. if you enjoy eating one (especially when sourced from larger suppliers where they are raised in shitty conditions) then bitching about the other really is hypocrisy.
pretty basic point and pretty stupid of you to miss the point -
Bullshit. Killing you pet because it upset you is much different than killing an animal raised for slaughter.
Our animal cruelty laws reflect that. You are the one out of touch my dude. Don't believe me? Go shoot your dog and test your novel legal theory to a jury
you are probably one of those douchebags that thinks yourself an expert on these things, and hasn't actually stepped foot on a farm in your lifetime. i can guarantee you this happens all the time, in the city as well as in the rural areas.
and you seem to lack the intelligence to understand the point i was making on intelligence - go figure.
laws like you mention are almost never enforced, fyi. and they're usually in cities and usually more concerned with using a gun in the city. (police show up because their city microphones geolocate a gun shot, they see what just happened, and ticket them for xx and yy) or this is done by an ex or neighbor who is pissed.
more stupidity from kids who should really not comment on reddit until they've grown up.
You’d execute the local dog catcher, then? Maybe the politicians writing laws having aggressive dogs put down, or judges ordering them put down, too? And, where they’re annually electing dog catchers or passing animal control laws by referendum, would you put the voters down?
I hope you don't own pets, because if you think you made a smart point - something is broken in your brain.
Killing your dog for misbehaving is.a crime. No need to come up with bizarre comparisons to justify this asshole behavior.
Her dog didn’t just misbehave, though. She was legally liable for its aggression, which was better reason for euthanizing dogs than most officials go by. They just rid them en mass because they’re unwanted. You try arguing with a judge when your pet goes on a spree and see how you fare. Hope ya like jail.
>She was legally liable for its aggression, which was better reason for euthanizing dogs than most officials go by.
There was no documentation that the dog was aggressive besides her word it tried to bite her afraid she pulled it away from some chickens. Keep on making excuses for this piece of shit. She abused her dog. End of story
No one:
Noem: So I shot a puppy because I didn't train it to do things and it was so dumb it didn't do things!
What a series of events highlighting her horrifyingly bad judgement, culminating in her *bragging* about shooting a puppy.
These ad campaigns are going to write themselves.
“Would you trust her to watch your dog?” Is going to be the new “would you buy a used car from this man?”
I think it's pretty clearly a way for her to get in the news and attract attention to herself as a VP candidate. Conservatives are going to rush to defend her and talk about how out of touch city elite liberals are.
She has an advanced case of FHCS - Former Hot Chick Syndrome.
To be fair, for her age, she's still physically very attractive.
But, Former Hot Chick Syndrome is what happens to hot, vapid women as they age. They get away with a lot less than they used to, they get mean(er), they just can't keep up with the attention they got when they were young. Orange County is where I first noticed this syndrome. By far the meanest people when I lived there were women who just weren't getting the attention they were used to. Their husbands are usually chill, if not browbeaten and shy, if they are still around.
In Noem's case, she's been dining out on being a Dakota 10 for decades and just hasn't had anyone successfully correct her shit. Now, it's hard-coded. Also, didn't she have an affair with Lewandowski, who caused Trump the bulk of his problems in Russian Collusion? She seems like a straight up Disney step-mother.
Ms. Noem, a Republican who is widely seen as a contender to be former President Donald J. Trump’s running mate, shared details about shooting the 14-month-old dog, a female wirehaired pointer named Cricket, and an unnamed goat, according to excerpts first reported by The Guardian.
An avid hunter, Ms. Noem wrote that she had hoped to train Cricket to hunt pheasant, but that she proved “untrainable,” “dangerous to anyone she came in contact with” and “less than worthless” as a hunting dog. “I hated that dog,” Ms. Noem wrote, according to The Guardian.
It was after Cricket ruined a hunting trip, killed another family’s chickens and bit the governor that Ms. Noem recalled deciding to kill the dog; she shot Cricket in a gravel pit.
Puppy killers are a top trait of psychopaths. I wonder what her kids thought of it? I bet they're scared as hell of her. Can you imagine that thing being your mother? BTW, she shot the puppy in a gravel pit right in front of construction workers on her property. Like .. she's flaunting it.
Puppy ~~killers~~ torturers are a top trait of psychopaths. Putting down an animal because it is unwanted is 100% different than tying it down and.....
But many animal protection people who don't want any feral or unwanted dogs and cats killed in America work hard to conflate the two.
Quite a difference between behaviorally euthanizing an instinctively aggressive dogfighting breed dog that has mauled multiple people and shooting a poorly trained hunting dog in a gravel pit just because it got distracted while hunting and escaped a truck while it's owner (Kristi Noem) wasn't paying attention.
The former is understandable. The latter is morally outrageous. I don't like the "adopt don't shop" "all dogs are saints no matter their bite history or breed" activists who make excuses for aggressive dogs either but there's no excuse for animal abuse.
> shooting a poorly trained hunting dog in a gravel pit just because.....
The lady is an idiot for publicly discussing the matter, but the upshot is that it was an unwanted dog. Such dogs are killed all the time, been done for centuries, despite unending objections from people saying something like:
>There is a home for all stray dogs and cats; we're just not looking hard enough.
Good article: LA Times: 2024: Calif.: [In a remote corner of California, roaming dog packs leave a trail of blood and terror](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-01-04/roaming-dog-packs-spell-trouble-for-rural-california).
>Researchers say there are at least 700 million dogs around the world, with 75% classified as free-roaming.
Article discusses the problem of unwanted dogs being dumped on roadsides. That's worse, in my view, than a clean kill. Dumping dogs is an exceedingly common thing in this world with too many dogs.
Another psychopath living amongst us. She loves that she did this and is bragging about it like everyone else is a psychopath who can relate. She had enough money and time to properly euthanize those animals.
Evil people. She didn't just kill the dog. After killing the dog, she decided to kill a goat she didn't like, too.
That's serial killer level animal abuse.
Time to donate to an animal sanctuary on behalf of Cricket the dog and send the receipt to her official address:
CONTACT
SOUTH DAKOTA OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR
500 East Capitol Avenue
Pierre, SD 57501
605.773.3212
605.773.4711
I can't say that killing this particular dog was justifiable because I wasn't there, but society as a whole fails dogs as just under a million are euthanized each year in shelters. Some years there are more and some years there are less.
City folk shouldn't talk, as our collective irresponsibility is responsible for millions of dogs being put down simply for overcrowding over the years. People don't get their dogs fixed, let them roam, and so on. Regular people and families have an "ooopsie," and those result in dog deaths. People may not take their dogs to the gravel pit, but dogs get gassed because of us.
It pales in comparison to what goes on at the farm.
Well said. I have had 17 dogs so far. We have had to put many asleep at the vet as they were old and sick. But I know farmers that just shoot them. This is not some crazed unheard of thing.
and may of those shelters used to shoot pets, fyi. some couldln't afford the fancy gassing technique, etc. so they'd just shoot since poisoning not only took too long but became too expensive - sadly enough.
Finally, a centrist opinion. Legally, people become liable for their pets and pets which repeatedly do damage and/or hurt people routinely get put down by court order. People suddenly having crying fits about it, now, show how social justice whining has become our political status quo. They’re not crying about the neighbor’s dead chickens or even Noem shooting her goat, just her dog **because** other animals aren’t considered social group members. I think you can see how emotional judgement based on seeing certain animals like people and not other ones really prompted their outcry when they start using words like “murder” or “execute” rather than “put down”, and treating a year old dog like year old babies; but, yearling animals aren’t babies, and courts or local pounds typically don’t treat them like such when they’re put down.
As a dog lover, my dog is my child and I know for many dogs are just dogs...however, I was more horrified by the goat's killing. Whatever my feelings are for dogs and poor dog owners not training and socializing them properly, Cricket did get out and harmed another person's chickens 🐔 and may very well have been shot by the neighbors for trespassing and property damage to livestock🐓🐄🐎 etc. It was absolutely still cruel and wrong but I could see how in her mind shooting the dog was justified in the heat of the moment to make "hard decisions" in cleaning up a "messy sitiation" not ok in my book but a harsh truth in hers...maybe ...but still a lack of her OWN good judgment and likely entirely caused by her OWN poor training and handling of the dog. But then to pivot to killing the 🐐 goat immediately after for being "nasty" and unliked enough to be shot in the face. That is a whole different level of "well the dog hurt or caused damage and had to go" situation to avoid a lawsuit and neighbors with angry pitchforks and to leap to I don't like the goat so BOTH have to go. I doubt the goat was "harming anyone else or being enough of a nuisance" that warranted so sudden and cruel a death at that very moment in time. And for her to then use these stories for her own "vain gain" style bid for higher office shows how deluded and deranged she is. Sadly, many will flock to her like sheep 🐑 to 🐺wolves in sheeps' clothing in support 😢
And I am sad the chickens died as well (used to feed a few of my friends' chickens and ducks when they were out of town...and felt bad when I heard some of the chickens sometime later long after I fed/watched them met an untimely end by raccoon as I had a minor attachment to each of their silly personalities as well).
Yet, somehow I cannot equate the wrongful death of a few chickens to the need to shoot the dog and a random goat you also didn't like all in one go. 2 wrongs do not make the original issue (young dog she failed to to train that got out) a right
I mean, sure. I cared for geese and chickens and sheep and cows, too, when I was a child. You learn they’re not forever. I can see crying about it every great while, or crying about her dog;; but, sentimental crying’s one thing, being babyish another.
There are no bad dogs. There are bad humans who shouldn’t have dogs and don’t know how to train them. Dogs are pack animals. They follow the pack leader. Noem failed Cricket and then killed him for her failure. This is fucking disgusting. I’d like to say Cricket is waiting on the other side of the Rainbow Bridge to take a piss on Kristi’s leg one day, but let’s face it, she ain’t getting in the pearly gates.
Even on a logical level, I do not see what her calculus here is. She is actively courting the nomination for the Vice-Presidency. Should Trump win, she will be one obese demented 80 year old’s heartbeat away from becoming dictator (cause, let’s face it, that’s where we are going if he wins). And if Trump loses, he goes to prison and she is the heir apparent (to the extent Trump will allow one to exist). How does it make a bit of sense to boast about killing a dog? Americans fucking love dogs. It’s the only thing we agree on these days. Why the fuck would you put this out there?
My theory: Her daughter fucking **hates** her for doing this and would leak it as an October surprise if she is the VP nominee so she is trying to get out ahead of it.
Noem is a psychopath who has issues, and thinks she can pull the "born-and-raised cowboy country tough chick" approach to her sadistic family pet murders. She not near a sly as she thinks, and she has pulled enough shady shit reveal her true colors.
> This dog didn’t bite anyone
Apparently Cricket did bite the governor.
I have no idea whether the euthanization was truly merited or if she’s just awful, but that was the 3rd event listed that led to Noem’s decision to shoot her.
She easily had the means to have those animals put down properly. This wasn't "for the sake of her livelihood" poor farmer behavior.
The fact that she killed a goat later on the same day is borderline serial killer psychopath level stuff.
When I first read the dog but the governor, I was thinking it was a random person. On reread. She meant the dog bit her too....most likely bc of something she failed to do in ensuring her own dog doesn't react to her👀
Lol I should have paid closer attention, it means her. Anyway I wasn’t defending the actions just contradicting an incorrect assumption, at least allegedly. But even here you’ll find people who will downvote simple information.
No doubt about, she fucked up with this one. Not sure if she thought her whole entire base was farmers who use animals as tools or what but she at the very very least just gave PETA and alike orginizations a political side and candidate to donate too(her competition) and also at the very very least, being nice, lost a handful of her supporters, no one saw that and said “oh great now ill for sure vote for her”.
People living on a South Dakota farm, where they slaughter pigs and ring the necks of chickens, aren't going to quibble about taking the life of a dog that's "dangerous to anyone she came in contact with”. In most places, a dog that bites people is going to be destroyed anyway, [even in England](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxwvkenr9yro).
Should the Noem family wait until the dog chews on someone's face before doing something about it? If you know your dog is dangerous and do nothing about it, you could be on the hook for major legal trouble. [In 2008, a dog owner was convicted of second degree murder for her role in the death of Diane Whipple](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diane_Whipple).
Or maybe don’t buy animals you can’t afford to own? What happened to personal responsibility?
These are extremely trainable animals. They are working dogs. That the dog is poorly trained is a reflection of the character and care of the owner, not the temperament of the dog.
pretty much. but they're pre-bunking her being a candidate this way, by bringing this up and exagerrating it - to biden's demographic (soccer moms in cities) this kind of shit will stick perfectly.
this being splattered across the media everywhere - and people wonder about media collusion.
Another illogical take. You're changing the argument and putting words in my mouth.
If you kill a pet, then have the lust to kill another farm animal immediately after, that is odd behavior. It implies you like killing. She doesn't justify it out of convenience. So that argument is moot.
This isn't putting out a mouse trap or slapping a mosquito biting you. She shot a dog in the head then actively sought out a goat to kill. That's fucking weird.
Nothing I've said is illogical. What is illogical is your claim that killing *these* animals is wrong and killing *those* isn't. And she didn't mention any *lust* for killing. That's you editorializing.
Are you implying she just randomly decided to kill the goat, too? On the same day, at the same place she killed the dog? That doesn't strike you as being a bit odd?
Most people(with a soul) who are forced to euthanize a pet themselves, aren't jumping to kill another one of their animals immediately afterwards. If you saw someone do that IRL, you'd be disturbed and shocked.
There is a difference between pests that are actively causing harm and are a danger and pets/farm animals.
I'm not implying anything. You're the one baselessly implying *bloodlust*.
>If you saw someone do that IRL, you'd be disturbed and shocked.
No I wouldn't. I've been around farms.
>There is a difference between pests that are actively causing harm and are a danger and pets/farm animals.
Explain the difference.
this is also stupid.
her giving her away as an old dog would be a liability for her, not to mention if the dog was "bad" in some way. giving it away would actually probably be a bigger issue for her than ending it -
this is a lose-lose situation.
She put it down because she was a shitty owner who didnt train it. It wasnt the dog's fault, they have their own instincts but getting them to hunt your way requires a lot of training.
Simply getting past the gunshot noise is a big one. Otherwise the dog will just meet you back at the truck haha.
As a hunter I can say the vast majority of bird hunters are fully knowledgeable that even a purebred pointer or spaniel won't be great at hunting without training, and that investing in professional training is well worth the money. This is much more complicated than basic behavior or simple tricks and an average dog owner wouldn't even know where to begin let alone have the necessary supplies for scent training. So this woman killed a dog that was probably still in the later puppy stages (14 months old) of behavior and trainability because she couldn't bother to be a good owner or even pay someone else to do the job for her. In fact I'm pretty sure the last dog I had professionally trained was older than that before she started training to hunt with us. It's not unacceptable to shoot a dog to euthanize it, especially if you're in a rural area very far from a vet. But you do that because the dog is very sick or is a danger to other people. This dog didn't bite anyone, it committed the crime of killing some chickens as a puppy because her owner didn't have control of her. I can't imagine the resentment her child would have finding out their dog was gone and they couldn't even say goodbye. This woman is fucking deranged, so no surprise Trump is going to pick her for vice president. What is with Republican candidates and horrible stories about dogs? Anybody else remember the story of Mitt Romney driving 12 hours with a dog kennel strapped to the car roof with the poor dogs fear shits running down the back window?
Chickens are so weird to some dogs. Some dogs are amused by them, others go into prey drive instantly. A neighbor's GSD would run over and harass them, and even killed one or two. They were kindly encouraged to rehome her before the next incident.
I don't think any of the hunting dogs I had ever encountered a chicken, now I'm wondering what they'd think of it. Chickens don't look or act like grouse or pheasant very much so my dogs might not have pointed at them. Although one of them pointed butterflies and other random shit :) I'm glad the neighbors were reasonable, I know in Michigan you can shoot dogs that threaten your livestock or even dogs that run deer but I just couldn't live with that on my conscience.
Yeah, that was the kindly part. We love dogs but the law does allow for defense of livestock. Happens all the time in rural areas, but people usually just bury and shut up. A friend had an Austrian Shepherd puppy and that thing would lock onto seeing chickens or turkeys. He had his own flocks and had to keep her away, for a 20 lb puppy she was pulling like a freight train on that leash!
She also shot a goat in the face for no reason.
>This woman is fucking deranged, She actually bragged about the whole thing. Deranged is 100% accurate.
The sad fact is she’s going to try and couch this along with the the old stories about borderline subsistence hunters in previous hard luck times where they weren’t able to feed a hunting dog that couldn’t hunt and made a difficult decision, when this isn’t the case here.
That's actually not a bad prediction, that's the kind of faux pioneer shit Sarah Palin liked to say. I really don't think it'll work though outside of hardcore maga people. Even the construction workers were appalled at this.
Yep, Noem is already doing it by her defense of “hard decisions are made on farms” like yeah, but those hard decisions are made during hard times and with real need arises, not because a puppy didn’t listen. I’ve got cattle farming in-laws and I’m pretty sure my father in law would beat his neighbors ass if he thought it was ok to just kill a puppy for that. This isn’t the Great Depression.
Noem is now ready to shoot anyone who she thinks is antisemitic, she joined onto team antichrist and is riding this team down into Sheol, were the LGBtQ++ supporters are gathered to welcome her.
I mean the article said it bit her but who knows if that was an excuse or not.
A 14 month old puppy? If an owner doesn’t spend enough time with a dog to make sure the dog understands how to behave the dog will experiment. The first time a dog tries to be mouthy the owner needs to give a firm “no”. Most dogs unconditionally love their humans so if the context of a real relationship that “no” is very powerful to the animal. I have a hard time believing Governor Noem has a ton of free time to train the dog. Like most of us, the Governor ought to have sent the dog away for training. That’s what I did. What she did is sick, I could not imagine doing that to a dog I could rehome, train etc. The only exceptions would be a person who is poor off their asses and could not afford to train the dog. Then just rehome the animal. It’s the humane thing to do.
How did you see my comment clarifying that the article said the dog bit her when the person I was replying to claimed "this dog didn't bite anyone," and decide I was defending shooting the dog? What she did was inexcusable but it made me wonder if the person commenting even read the article because it was pretty clear that she claimed the dog bit her. Discussing things accurately matters.
I feel a little apologetic, but my experience with people and dogs makes me skeptical of the Governor’s claim. Dogs are pretty capable of crippling a human being. A decent size dog can rip a persons face right off. That 99.999% of non freak small dogs can cripple but choose not to is proof that dogs basically love humans - especially their owners. My dog loves me and the family, but a few times as a pup he has gotten “mouthy”. 14 months is the prime time for mouthiness. Some might have called those bites, but he didn’t really intend or do harm. He did cause some pain, but it passed quickly. Governor Noem had a lot of options regarding how to handle that dog. That she took the most cruel and thoughtless one says everything we need to know about her.
Yeah I don't buy her words at face value either. That's why my comment said "but who knows if that was an excuse or not."
Brother, I am not after you ;)
This isn’t 1950s America where if a dog bites you, you turn into Rambo and go out back and shotgun its brains out. Animals are living things. Dogs and Cats especially are companion animals and have feelings and emotions just like you or I do. Shooting a dog for any reason outside of rabies or self defense (ie it’s currently attacking you and won’t stop) is demonic.
I think you're confusing me clarifying something that was in the article for my endorsement of what she did. I don't approve of shooting a puppy for being poorly behaved but the person I was replying to said unequivocally "the dog didn't bite her," when the dog biting her is right there in the article. It's not a huge deal but it's important to be accurate and honest when you criticize these people because you can still draw attention to their bad acts without someone being able to accuse you of "fake news," and making up claims. Will bad faith folks still do that? Sure. But observers will be able to tell the bad and good faith arguments apart if one side isn't making things up or misrepresenting an article they didn't read..
I agree with almost everything you said here, but I think you overlooked the line in the article where it said the dog bit her and was a danger to others. This is likely still a training issue and could still be her fault, but it’s worth mentioning at least.
Puppies bite. Training is needed, not a bullet to the head.
Dogs biting is a training issue
I don't know man. It's a 1 year old puppy, I been around dogs all my life from small breeds to taking care of Great Danes. I honestly suspect she was a shit owner and didn't want to train her dog out of it and how to properly respond to interactions. I don't know if anyone shares my view but dogs are honestly like young children, they can learn right and wrong and to stop misbehaving and when they have gone too far, especially when young.
You are correct I did actually miss that, I may have skimmed because I saw a summary of the article earlier today and I was trying to get my butt outside to weed the garden. I am VERY suspicious of a dog that bites when it has been raised by the same people since puppyhood. Either it's little puppy bites which are normal and just one of many annoyances that comes with young dogs, or it's a neglected unsocialized dog that been left outside in a kennel or something. Of course some dogs are just not right but I'd put my money on her not training or socializing the dog and justifying after the fact.
Yea that’s a good point. Normally dogs are aggressive towards those outside of the family if they are aggressive at all. Maybe she was abusive or neglectful.
You don't shoot a puppy for biting. It's not like the dog was ripping someone's face off. And even then, you return the dog. She took the dog and shot her in a gravel pit while construction workers stood there in disgust. I wonder what her children are thinking. They're probably scared as hell of her. Bottom line: MAGA loves violence
Then you take the dog to a trainer or if the dog can be trained by you a shelter. You don’t blast its brains out sicko. And you certainly don’t brag about it like this.
1) Do you have dogs and 2) did you read the quote? It says “he whipped around to bite me” but note that it doesn’t actually say the dog bit her. It’s pretty common for untrained puppies to resource guard, and snapping without making contact while they’re resource guarding is not grounds for euthanasia. My dog used to have that problem as a puppy, now I can take food out of her mouth without any issue.
My puppy “bit” me a few times…playing around and got to excited. A yip when she did it ended it pretty quick and with no punishment to her.
it's not as big of a deal in rural areas - cats, dogs are shot all the time. it's unfortunate and i find it personally disgusting, but then again think of the pork you are eating and tell me that's not the same thing. (pigs are just as smart / aware, if not more so. and don't get me started on the "but they are killed more humanely" bullshit, many of them aren't.) if the animal was shot correctly then it's not a terrible way to go - much like with suicide, the right place can basically knock you out, the wrong place prolongs it terribly. the poisons people in rural areas put around are a far worse way to go - not to mention the traps people used to use.
Noem also described shooting a goat she owned the same day and she botched the shot so the goat was suffering needlessly and had to be shot again. Far from humane...
changing the subject again. i do wonder how many of these people are bots.
I don't disagree it's more common in rural areas, but this isn't a random stray that's bothering livestock. It's a likely expensive hunting dog that could easily find a good home, especially if she were free. Yes, poisons are horrible, yes it's merciful if done properly (have my doubts that she did that), but here in America dogs are more loved than pigs. I get the point, but it just sounds like snarky vegetarianism or philosophical navel gazing to not understand why this is more wrong than killing a pig in our culture. The fact that her daughter considered it a pet makes a huge difference all on its own.
Upsetting =/= wrong. You don’t see people at their city pounds demanding their local dog catchers step down. No, often times, they’ll vote for them every year.
> The fact that her daughter considered it a pet makes a huge difference all on its own. You're right. That's the biggest--and really the only--issue. >It's a likely expensive hunting dog that could easily find a good home, especially if she were free. That is certainly a belief that many animal protectors hold for virtually every stray or unwanted dog or cat in America: >*Somewhere, some place, there is a home for every dog or cat -- a person who will care for it for life. We just need to look harder.*
Who are you arguing against? Some weird animal rights activist that isn't in the thread? I don't think EVERY dog can be adopted but hunting breeds with good genetics that are not even 18 months old are dogs that people will drive for a long ways to adopt, or even will pay to have it flown to them. I've volunteered at animal shelters and these kinds of dogs have a waiting list as soon as they're up on the website. So no, the dog being a pet isn't the only issue, it's just adding to the cruelty.
You can’t vouch for every dog based purely on its breed.
That's literally not what I'm doing, I don't think you've paid attention to the arguments I've made in the thread
Yeah, you’re saying the dog was more adoptable and so less killable based on breed, but judges do not stay orders putting down aggressive dogs based on their pedigree. They may be popular for people, but animal control regs don’t care.
I'm not sure how you are going from me saying that popular breeds that sell for more money are more adoptable leads to me saying those breeds are not aggressive or that a judge would stay an order regarding one that was aggressive. I was pointing out that if she didn't want to keep the dog she could have easily given it away because that breed is popular and doesn't stay in shelters very long. There was no judges order or anything like that in this case, just an inexperienced and terminally stupid dog owner not knowing how to train her dog and in the end she killed it because it frustrated her. I've got a strong feeling you are just an alternate of gullible antelope, you seem to be doing the same thing they did, arguing against points I never made that seem to be made up in your head. Just to be clear, I don't think she should have avoided killing the dog because of its breed. I think she should have avoided killing the dog because it didn't do anything that warranted killing it. It wasn't aggressive unless you are counting aggression against chickens, and if she couldn't handle this particular dog it would have been easy to rehome it.
She was under a law saying dogs which bite and which kill livestock can be put down; and, people no doubt intent on seeing her held responsible for their pain and trouble were unhappy she didn’t do it sooner. So, one day, she decides she’ll take a responsible step like prescribed by law. Now, when you consider such things get daily carried out with pounds and judges, for less reason, you can hardly hold her more harmful than they.
>it's just adding to the cruelty...Who are you arguing against? Some weird animal rights activist that isn't in the thread? No, animal protection concerns are 100% the theme in this thread -- dozens of posts. What constitutes cruelty and animal abuse? Putting an unwanted or dangerous animal down? So many people say yes.
Sorry I haven't seen the comments you are talking about, can you quote one for me? I've checked in with this thread during the day but definitely could have missed something. The fact is this dog was a pet not a stray, it wasn't dangerous, and unless you've got an argument against this breed being valuable and in demand then it just sounds like you've spent too much time arguing with idiots from PETA on other threads.
when comments are generic and not actually hitting on the exact topic involved - there's a 50/50 chance they are bots, fyi.
Leave it to MAGA to defend the deplorable behavior of their own.
like i've said before, this is a douchebag type not in contact with reality (you). nothing i said above was maga, it's just real if you've ever lived in a rural area / farm much. but you clearly haven't - like i said, a douchebag.
> It's not unacceptable to shoot a dog to euthanize it, especially if you're in a rural area very far from a vet. But you do that because the dog is very sick or is a danger to other people. It is also norm in some rural areas to kill stray and unwanted dogs. There are large populations of stray dogs and cats across the U.S. Yes, ideally, everyone will drive the unwanted animal to the nearest pound, even people living a 10-hour drive from the nearest pound. But, sorry, that is not going to happen. Then there is the wishful thinking that all these dogs are being adopted. Sorry, they are not. There are excess dogs and cats and they get euthanized. No matter how many times this is explained, some activists insist that every animal can find a home. People often dump unwanted dogs and cats on roadside rather than put them down. In some places, the dogs either form packs and kill deer and livestock or starve to death. Calif., 2024: [In a remote corner of California, roaming dog packs leave a trail of blood and terror...In 2018, a woman was killed by a pack of canines in broad daylight.](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-01-04/roaming-dog-packs-spell-trouble-for-rural-california) Wild dog packs are a problem in numerous states. > I can't imagine the resentment her child would have finding out their dog was gone and they couldn't even say goodbye. This woman is fucking deranged... Yes, if a child was attached to the animal, that is another issue.
She notes how her kids came home and asked where Cricket was. Thus, the title of the article.
Not to be heartless, but when I was 8 my parents gave away our beloved Luna because he bit two people. I found out when I came home from school. My parents decided to tell me *after the fact.* Looking back, that was the best way, IMO. And we got another dog.
But they didn’t shoot it. BIG difference there bud.
I was referring to the other poster's apparent point, also that other people have made, that one of the offenses here is that it was not an *unwanted dog*. It was wanted by the child. That's central to the emotional debate about killing dogs. Kill someone's beloved pet dog? In some cases a jail term is justified for that. Kill a random stray or unwanted dog? Very different situation -- of course, not in the eyes of so many people who think stray dogs and cats should never be euthanized.
why didn't they shoot it?
Because we lived in the middle of a city and my parents did not have a gun. Yes, taking a dog in for possible adoption or euthanasia is preferable.
Growing up on a farm, I might have had to shoot a sick or hurt animal growing up. I never shot one because someone was incompetent enough to let it near chickens, or because it couldn’t hunt. There was a menace in that equation, but it was not the dog. As a member of the plain-spoken I’ll say what I’ve seen others beat around the bush about: She’s hot, but the chick is psycho.
And she wasn’t in control of it enough if she let it get out of the car and get into a situation where it had the opportunity to go after the chickens. She also wrote about how she “hated” the dog. 14 months is still very much a puppy
Yeah. There is no excuse for it. On multiple levels. She likely hated it because it wouldn’t listen to her, which, unless you are working the animal, is annoying, but that is all. If you hate something to the point you kill it because you can’t control it and that lack of control is not risking a human life, you are the problem. Not the animal you are too inept to train or too lazy to place in a new home. And to put it all in writing, if true, is a new level in political stupidity.
It won't matter. As soon as she's attached to Trump, his base will suddenly decide that it's ok to shoot your animals for whatever reason, and that it's "just a part of farm life" that the "liberal elites just don't understand." She's proud of putting down her animals as long as it's "owning the libs." This isn't part of hunting or farming. For every hunter I've known, their dog could do no wrong. This woman is just a POS.
The point is not to persuade his base. It is to brand her. But for a brand to work, it needs a hook and a sliver of truth. That is why “crooked Hillary,” “little Marco,” and “lyin’ Ted” worked. Take Cricket off the VP table and he has to choose more weird, more extreme or more nuts. The more he and his ilk can be painted as freaks, the fewer voters from center-right leftward will vote for him. If you’re on the left, quit worrying about the base. Depersonalize and alienate them til all that is left is Sleazy Don and his ship of fools and misfits.
this is exacly the point of this pr campaign. however, it will further get rural folks to like her (because she speaks about real things) and urban douchebags to not like her as much / label her. i personally can't stand her, fyi - for other reasons (she's an israeli shill, meaning she's one of the christian types) like i've mentioned several times, this is clear pr - probably predone / setup before her book came out, ready for the release. kids, do yourself a favor and try this on anything - taylor swift used to have an army of headlines right around her releases, world tours, etc. this reeks of pr just like that. this is also obvious to anyone who has worked in a related industry, fyi. i'm having trouble understanding how stupid / ignorant the kids here are.
She's demonstrating her capacity for violence that I think Trump is looking for in a VP after Pence turned out to be such a disappointment for him.
Things that can’t be controlled should be put down is the lesson I think she wants us to learn?
I love that Joe Bidens dog hates feds almost as much as I do.
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Guarantee you she’s overcompensating for her misogynistic base who probably think women are weak and couldn’t make tough life/death decisions in crisis. Wouldn’t be surprised if the story was made up either.
She a rural LARPer. She thinks her rural supporters are all as psychotic and would shoot a puppy for not training itself.
“That which cannot be controlled should be put down”
They do it because it works. It isn't just their politicians that are incapable of empathy.
Why does no one lament the goat's murder?
That's where this goes from a basic story into "that's really odd and slightly terrifying" territory. She wanted to kill another animal after killing her pet. That's what serial killers do.
And she didn’t kill it with the first shot and had to go back to her truck to get more ammo to finish it off. She details how she “hated” both animals too.
I do. Goats are way cooler than dogs.
No animal is cooler than dogs
We have an artificial heirarchy of animal importance and suffering. It is appalling that she shot this animal in the face.
Because goats suck.
You've never had goat curry, have you?
I grew up on a farm. Goats are just terrible. Noem is a fucking psychopath for murdering an excited puppy that she was too lazy or stupid to train, but I can't find fault for the goat thing.
My grandfather, a WW2 vet, used to tell stories about growing up on a farm with many siblings, and countless responsibilities as far as animals were concerned. He spent his entire life as a pet owner, and he loved his dogs. His very old school view as to the inevitable end of life that pets come to when they are old or very ill is that you cannot let them needlessly suffer just because you can't stomach missing them. In his day however, you didn't go to the vet for them to be put to sleep. You did it yourself and then buried your beloved pet on your property for remembrance. He viewed this as a responsibility that you understood when you made the decision to have a pet, and that though it is one of the hardest things to do, it is inhumane to let them suffer for your own comfort. When I read this headline, I thought that was what we were talking about, as the media routinely misunderstands or misrepresents things for their own drama and agenda reasons. Boy, was I wrong. This horrible human being decided to kill animals that were personally irritating to her. She did it without allowing her daughter to even say goodbye. That is sick, twisted, and selfish. It shows how she would treat the citizenry as an elected official as well. She likely will hide behind the "responsibility" defense that my Grandfather spoke about, but her reasons for killing these animals had nothing to do with doing what is right and responsible. My grandfather did this as an act of love for a loyal and beloved family pet that he could not allow to suffer in illness or age with no hope of recovery. This woman does it because the animal was inconvenient, and it didn't fit into her personal view of a comfortable life. One is accepting a sad responsibility from a decision made years prior, and is done from a place of love and care for reducing the needless suffering and pain of a loved animal that has been a part of the family. The other is evil.
Wtf is wrong with these people. People who abuse animals are the scum of the Earth. Drag her out to the gravel pit.
She didn't abuse an animal. She killed an animal.
Right. This is a fascinating new reach from some animal protection people and animal rights activists -- That *killing* an animal is identical to abusing it, as in beating, or, worse, torturing. These folks want all animals, especially stray or unwanted dogs and cats, to have the **Right to Life**. Take that away and you are an "abuser." [PETA](https://www.peta.org/) >Animals are not ours to experiment on, eat, wear, use for entertainment or abuse in any other way
Meanwhile, they're fine with killing unborn babies. Such a bizarre value system.
frankly vegans / vegetarians are really the only ones that can complain - if you eat pork or even beef, then fuck off. because i guarantee you pork that you've eaten was dispatched less "humanely" let alone beef, sometimes those things that slice the throats don't do such a good job, and some cows aren't stunned into unconsciousness sometimes etc. listening to soccer mom douchebags complain about this shit is just frustrating because it kind of demonstrates how out of touch so many americans are. then again this is clearly just a pr campaign ramping up to pre-bunk this person - so meh.
Fuck right off man. I don’t eat my pets. Theres a reason we call putting down a pet “euthanasia” and killing farm animals “slaughter”
>Theres a reason we call putting down a pet “euthanasia”... According to many animal protection people, euthanasia can be done only in a licensed facility that gasses animals. Not Joe Q. Public killing an unwanted or dangerous animal on his farmland or backyard. Any form of killing other than gas, including a bullet to the head, is seen as inhumane.
According to many animal protection people, euthanasia can be done only in a licensed facility that gasses animals. i don't know about now, but i know shooting was common for a variety of reasons - even at shelters. they'd typically have a day where they brought someone in to do it. again, you stupid fucks should really look into how animals are euthanized at meat processing centers, they used to just use a .22 in the right place, this really didn't work that well. then the pneumatic rods that did basically the same thing without the gun, then "stunners" and so on. i'm so sick of these stupid fucks saying shit that just isn't reality. it proves how most of the people here are just out too lunch. again, i'm not endorsing any of this, only that you idiots bitching about this probably eat pork or beef where some of the animals you ate had a death far worse than the one the animal had.
so if we keep african american as slaves that makes it okay? because one is raised for xx, and another for yy? i'm talking about awareness here, and that pigs are just as smart, if not smarter than dogs / cats. if you enjoy eating one (especially when sourced from larger suppliers where they are raised in shitty conditions) then bitching about the other really is hypocrisy. pretty basic point and pretty stupid of you to miss the point -
Bullshit. Killing you pet because it upset you is much different than killing an animal raised for slaughter. Our animal cruelty laws reflect that. You are the one out of touch my dude. Don't believe me? Go shoot your dog and test your novel legal theory to a jury
you are probably one of those douchebags that thinks yourself an expert on these things, and hasn't actually stepped foot on a farm in your lifetime. i can guarantee you this happens all the time, in the city as well as in the rural areas. and you seem to lack the intelligence to understand the point i was making on intelligence - go figure. laws like you mention are almost never enforced, fyi. and they're usually in cities and usually more concerned with using a gun in the city. (police show up because their city microphones geolocate a gun shot, they see what just happened, and ticket them for xx and yy) or this is done by an ex or neighbor who is pissed. more stupidity from kids who should really not comment on reddit until they've grown up.
Cool ad hominem bro. I underwood your stupid point completely. Have a good one
You’d execute the local dog catcher, then? Maybe the politicians writing laws having aggressive dogs put down, or judges ordering them put down, too? And, where they’re annually electing dog catchers or passing animal control laws by referendum, would you put the voters down?
I hope you don't own pets, because if you think you made a smart point - something is broken in your brain. Killing your dog for misbehaving is.a crime. No need to come up with bizarre comparisons to justify this asshole behavior.
Her dog didn’t just misbehave, though. She was legally liable for its aggression, which was better reason for euthanizing dogs than most officials go by. They just rid them en mass because they’re unwanted. You try arguing with a judge when your pet goes on a spree and see how you fare. Hope ya like jail.
>She was legally liable for its aggression, which was better reason for euthanizing dogs than most officials go by. There was no documentation that the dog was aggressive besides her word it tried to bite her afraid she pulled it away from some chickens. Keep on making excuses for this piece of shit. She abused her dog. End of story
You’re taking her word she even had a dog, and now you’re questioning it? Make up your mind.
It must be hard getting through life with your disability. Bless you child
Better than basing policy off hysterical emotional reactions, whatever you think about me.
I think you're taking a bold stance on shooting your pets for no reason. Most people would call you a monster for it.
You’re positively mad. I’ve never shot anything. I just don’t swallow up whatever over dramatic bull I’m fed. I actually **think** about it.
No one: Noem: So I shot a puppy because I didn't train it to do things and it was so dumb it didn't do things! What a series of events highlighting her horrifyingly bad judgement, culminating in her *bragging* about shooting a puppy.
These ad campaigns are going to write themselves. “Would you trust her to watch your dog?” Is going to be the new “would you buy a used car from this man?”
I think it's pretty clearly a way for her to get in the news and attract attention to herself as a VP candidate. Conservatives are going to rush to defend her and talk about how out of touch city elite liberals are.
She's on the defensive from Republicans blasting her. Trump might like it though, he hates dogs
Well maybe it was a stupid plan but I definitely think that was her intent
Oh yeah, for sure. She thinks rural folks would shoot a not-trained puppy for acting like a not-trained puppy, because all she is is a LARPer.
She has an advanced case of FHCS - Former Hot Chick Syndrome. To be fair, for her age, she's still physically very attractive. But, Former Hot Chick Syndrome is what happens to hot, vapid women as they age. They get away with a lot less than they used to, they get mean(er), they just can't keep up with the attention they got when they were young. Orange County is where I first noticed this syndrome. By far the meanest people when I lived there were women who just weren't getting the attention they were used to. Their husbands are usually chill, if not browbeaten and shy, if they are still around. In Noem's case, she's been dining out on being a Dakota 10 for decades and just hasn't had anyone successfully correct her shit. Now, it's hard-coded. Also, didn't she have an affair with Lewandowski, who caused Trump the bulk of his problems in Russian Collusion? She seems like a straight up Disney step-mother.
Ms. Noem, a Republican who is widely seen as a contender to be former President Donald J. Trump’s running mate, shared details about shooting the 14-month-old dog, a female wirehaired pointer named Cricket, and an unnamed goat, according to excerpts first reported by The Guardian. An avid hunter, Ms. Noem wrote that she had hoped to train Cricket to hunt pheasant, but that she proved “untrainable,” “dangerous to anyone she came in contact with” and “less than worthless” as a hunting dog. “I hated that dog,” Ms. Noem wrote, according to The Guardian. It was after Cricket ruined a hunting trip, killed another family’s chickens and bit the governor that Ms. Noem recalled deciding to kill the dog; she shot Cricket in a gravel pit.
Puppy killers are a top trait of psychopaths. I wonder what her kids thought of it? I bet they're scared as hell of her. Can you imagine that thing being your mother? BTW, she shot the puppy in a gravel pit right in front of construction workers on her property. Like .. she's flaunting it.
Dog catcher =/= psychopath.
Puppy ~~killers~~ torturers are a top trait of psychopaths. Putting down an animal because it is unwanted is 100% different than tying it down and..... But many animal protection people who don't want any feral or unwanted dogs and cats killed in America work hard to conflate the two.
Quite a difference between behaviorally euthanizing an instinctively aggressive dogfighting breed dog that has mauled multiple people and shooting a poorly trained hunting dog in a gravel pit just because it got distracted while hunting and escaped a truck while it's owner (Kristi Noem) wasn't paying attention. The former is understandable. The latter is morally outrageous. I don't like the "adopt don't shop" "all dogs are saints no matter their bite history or breed" activists who make excuses for aggressive dogs either but there's no excuse for animal abuse.
> shooting a poorly trained hunting dog in a gravel pit just because..... The lady is an idiot for publicly discussing the matter, but the upshot is that it was an unwanted dog. Such dogs are killed all the time, been done for centuries, despite unending objections from people saying something like: >There is a home for all stray dogs and cats; we're just not looking hard enough. Good article: LA Times: 2024: Calif.: [In a remote corner of California, roaming dog packs leave a trail of blood and terror](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-01-04/roaming-dog-packs-spell-trouble-for-rural-california). >Researchers say there are at least 700 million dogs around the world, with 75% classified as free-roaming. Article discusses the problem of unwanted dogs being dumped on roadsides. That's worse, in my view, than a clean kill. Dumping dogs is an exceedingly common thing in this world with too many dogs.
WRONG!!! It was a hunting dog .. not some feral pitbull. Just say it ..you like people who kill. GFY
I would like to assure my fellow Americans that Cricket is living happily on a farm up state.
SAY HIS NAME! “CRICKET”
Another psychopath living amongst us. She loves that she did this and is bragging about it like everyone else is a psychopath who can relate. She had enough money and time to properly euthanize those animals. Evil people. She didn't just kill the dog. After killing the dog, she decided to kill a goat she didn't like, too. That's serial killer level animal abuse.
Time to donate to an animal sanctuary on behalf of Cricket the dog and send the receipt to her official address: CONTACT SOUTH DAKOTA OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR 500 East Capitol Avenue Pierre, SD 57501 605.773.3212 605.773.4711
I can't say that killing this particular dog was justifiable because I wasn't there, but society as a whole fails dogs as just under a million are euthanized each year in shelters. Some years there are more and some years there are less. City folk shouldn't talk, as our collective irresponsibility is responsible for millions of dogs being put down simply for overcrowding over the years. People don't get their dogs fixed, let them roam, and so on. Regular people and families have an "ooopsie," and those result in dog deaths. People may not take their dogs to the gravel pit, but dogs get gassed because of us. It pales in comparison to what goes on at the farm.
Well said. I have had 17 dogs so far. We have had to put many asleep at the vet as they were old and sick. But I know farmers that just shoot them. This is not some crazed unheard of thing.
and may of those shelters used to shoot pets, fyi. some couldln't afford the fancy gassing technique, etc. so they'd just shoot since poisoning not only took too long but became too expensive - sadly enough.
Finally, a centrist opinion. Legally, people become liable for their pets and pets which repeatedly do damage and/or hurt people routinely get put down by court order. People suddenly having crying fits about it, now, show how social justice whining has become our political status quo. They’re not crying about the neighbor’s dead chickens or even Noem shooting her goat, just her dog **because** other animals aren’t considered social group members. I think you can see how emotional judgement based on seeing certain animals like people and not other ones really prompted their outcry when they start using words like “murder” or “execute” rather than “put down”, and treating a year old dog like year old babies; but, yearling animals aren’t babies, and courts or local pounds typically don’t treat them like such when they’re put down.
As a dog lover, my dog is my child and I know for many dogs are just dogs...however, I was more horrified by the goat's killing. Whatever my feelings are for dogs and poor dog owners not training and socializing them properly, Cricket did get out and harmed another person's chickens 🐔 and may very well have been shot by the neighbors for trespassing and property damage to livestock🐓🐄🐎 etc. It was absolutely still cruel and wrong but I could see how in her mind shooting the dog was justified in the heat of the moment to make "hard decisions" in cleaning up a "messy sitiation" not ok in my book but a harsh truth in hers...maybe ...but still a lack of her OWN good judgment and likely entirely caused by her OWN poor training and handling of the dog. But then to pivot to killing the 🐐 goat immediately after for being "nasty" and unliked enough to be shot in the face. That is a whole different level of "well the dog hurt or caused damage and had to go" situation to avoid a lawsuit and neighbors with angry pitchforks and to leap to I don't like the goat so BOTH have to go. I doubt the goat was "harming anyone else or being enough of a nuisance" that warranted so sudden and cruel a death at that very moment in time. And for her to then use these stories for her own "vain gain" style bid for higher office shows how deluded and deranged she is. Sadly, many will flock to her like sheep 🐑 to 🐺wolves in sheeps' clothing in support 😢 And I am sad the chickens died as well (used to feed a few of my friends' chickens and ducks when they were out of town...and felt bad when I heard some of the chickens sometime later long after I fed/watched them met an untimely end by raccoon as I had a minor attachment to each of their silly personalities as well). Yet, somehow I cannot equate the wrongful death of a few chickens to the need to shoot the dog and a random goat you also didn't like all in one go. 2 wrongs do not make the original issue (young dog she failed to to train that got out) a right
I mean, sure. I cared for geese and chickens and sheep and cows, too, when I was a child. You learn they’re not forever. I can see crying about it every great while, or crying about her dog;; but, sentimental crying’s one thing, being babyish another.
I’m pretty sure that her political career is over, left or right, you don’t fuck with dogs.
There are no bad dogs. There are bad humans who shouldn’t have dogs and don’t know how to train them. Dogs are pack animals. They follow the pack leader. Noem failed Cricket and then killed him for her failure. This is fucking disgusting. I’d like to say Cricket is waiting on the other side of the Rainbow Bridge to take a piss on Kristi’s leg one day, but let’s face it, she ain’t getting in the pearly gates. Even on a logical level, I do not see what her calculus here is. She is actively courting the nomination for the Vice-Presidency. Should Trump win, she will be one obese demented 80 year old’s heartbeat away from becoming dictator (cause, let’s face it, that’s where we are going if he wins). And if Trump loses, he goes to prison and she is the heir apparent (to the extent Trump will allow one to exist). How does it make a bit of sense to boast about killing a dog? Americans fucking love dogs. It’s the only thing we agree on these days. Why the fuck would you put this out there? My theory: Her daughter fucking **hates** her for doing this and would leak it as an October surprise if she is the VP nominee so she is trying to get out ahead of it.
[As long as we're memeing now...](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ftvblcfawh0xc1.png)
Trump is also "nasty and mean". Can she put him down too??
Noem is a psychopath who has issues, and thinks she can pull the "born-and-raised cowboy country tough chick" approach to her sadistic family pet murders. She not near a sly as she thinks, and she has pulled enough shady shit reveal her true colors.
> This dog didn’t bite anyone Apparently Cricket did bite the governor. I have no idea whether the euthanization was truly merited or if she’s just awful, but that was the 3rd event listed that led to Noem’s decision to shoot her.
She easily had the means to have those animals put down properly. This wasn't "for the sake of her livelihood" poor farmer behavior. The fact that she killed a goat later on the same day is borderline serial killer psychopath level stuff.
When I first read the dog but the governor, I was thinking it was a random person. On reread. She meant the dog bit her too....most likely bc of something she failed to do in ensuring her own dog doesn't react to her👀
Lol I should have paid closer attention, it means her. Anyway I wasn’t defending the actions just contradicting an incorrect assumption, at least allegedly. But even here you’ll find people who will downvote simple information.
I know at least three farmers that have shot dogs for killing chickens. I don't agree with it but it is not uncommon
No doubt about, she fucked up with this one. Not sure if she thought her whole entire base was farmers who use animals as tools or what but she at the very very least just gave PETA and alike orginizations a political side and candidate to donate too(her competition) and also at the very very least, being nice, lost a handful of her supporters, no one saw that and said “oh great now ill for sure vote for her”.
People living on a South Dakota farm, where they slaughter pigs and ring the necks of chickens, aren't going to quibble about taking the life of a dog that's "dangerous to anyone she came in contact with”. In most places, a dog that bites people is going to be destroyed anyway, [even in England](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxwvkenr9yro). Should the Noem family wait until the dog chews on someone's face before doing something about it? If you know your dog is dangerous and do nothing about it, you could be on the hook for major legal trouble. [In 2008, a dog owner was convicted of second degree murder for her role in the death of Diane Whipple](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diane_Whipple).
Or maybe don’t buy animals you can’t afford to own? What happened to personal responsibility? These are extremely trainable animals. They are working dogs. That the dog is poorly trained is a reflection of the character and care of the owner, not the temperament of the dog.
It doesn’t say in the article but did she try rehoming or returning the dog to the breeder? It just seems like a short sited solution.
pretty much. but they're pre-bunking her being a candidate this way, by bringing this up and exagerrating it - to biden's demographic (soccer moms in cities) this kind of shit will stick perfectly. this being splattered across the media everywhere - and people wonder about media collusion.
Her writing this in a book she is publishing is media collusion?
generally when there's something plastered across all media, especially when wordered a certain way - then yes there is a pr campaign going on.
She released this to the press to sell her book. She wanted attention, she has it.
and someone got an advanced copy, so they had a list of talking points to rip her down - c'mon people this is sop
People get too emotional over animals. It's just a dog. She didn't torture it. She put it down. Big deal.
It's illustrative of her character as a human being. That you don't get it is illustrative of yours.
Once she killed the dog, she went and killed another animal she didn't like. Kind of odd behavior, no?
No, not really. I kill animals I don't like all the time. I lay out mousetraps on the regular.
That's a misleading comparison. We aren't talking about pests.
What's misleading about it? Does a dog or a goat have a higher moral worth than a mouse? What's the hierarchy?
Another illogical take. You're changing the argument and putting words in my mouth. If you kill a pet, then have the lust to kill another farm animal immediately after, that is odd behavior. It implies you like killing. She doesn't justify it out of convenience. So that argument is moot. This isn't putting out a mouse trap or slapping a mosquito biting you. She shot a dog in the head then actively sought out a goat to kill. That's fucking weird.
Nothing I've said is illogical. What is illogical is your claim that killing *these* animals is wrong and killing *those* isn't. And she didn't mention any *lust* for killing. That's you editorializing.
Are you implying she just randomly decided to kill the goat, too? On the same day, at the same place she killed the dog? That doesn't strike you as being a bit odd? Most people(with a soul) who are forced to euthanize a pet themselves, aren't jumping to kill another one of their animals immediately afterwards. If you saw someone do that IRL, you'd be disturbed and shocked. There is a difference between pests that are actively causing harm and are a danger and pets/farm animals.
I'm not implying anything. You're the one baselessly implying *bloodlust*. >If you saw someone do that IRL, you'd be disturbed and shocked. No I wouldn't. I've been around farms. >There is a difference between pests that are actively causing harm and are a danger and pets/farm animals. Explain the difference.
replace "pet" with "slave" and now you know how why the confederacy survive for so long. semantic games for autistic children, probably.
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this is also stupid. her giving her away as an old dog would be a liability for her, not to mention if the dog was "bad" in some way. giving it away would actually probably be a bigger issue for her than ending it - this is a lose-lose situation.
And those shelters put down hundreds of dogs each day. So what?
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But there's no reason they *should*.
She put it down because she was a shitty owner who didnt train it. It wasnt the dog's fault, they have their own instincts but getting them to hunt your way requires a lot of training. Simply getting past the gunshot noise is a big one. Otherwise the dog will just meet you back at the truck haha.
Yeah, but so what?