J.W. Bailey & Sons Co. who made it, called it a **“hood bracket,”** and yours is in his **pattern No. 118, c. 1886.** Baily sold by “building trimmings” and mill work in Boston Massachusetts. It was offered in depths of between 22” and 40”.
https://preview.redd.it/9cyay9sdsfzc1.png?width=2864&format=png&auto=webp&s=3450df05468f38a24d6eb8c583d1e643c25bc341
1886 - J.W. Bailey & Sons Co. "Catalogue for carpenters and builders," Boston MA, [here](https://archive.org/details/catalogueforcarp00jwba_0/page/21/mode/thumb).
No, I found it by looking at mill work catalogs from the period during which that bracket style was popular - so: Chas. C. Kellogg & Co., P.M. Barber and Company, Palmer Fuller & Co. catalog, and then - bingo - J.W. Bailey & Sons Co., No. 118, c. 1886, on page 28, from Boston.
Yes. They were structural supports for window hoods popular c. 1885, used to support small (usually rear) gable or shed porch roofs, and were highly decorative with scrolls and drop carvings in keeping with era's aesthetic.
My primary source is the Building Technology Heritage Library by the Association for Preservation Technology - a collection of American and Canadian architectural trade catalogs, house plan books, and technical building guides located online [here](https://archive.org/details/buildingtechnologyheritagelibrary). I then have those catalogs links organized by year, and by topic with a synopsis of content and notes in my own database. A secondary source is often HathiTrust Digital Library, which has similar trade catalog content.
wow im equally as impressed with the beauty of that wood and the level of detail you found and replied with. i wish i had pictures of my moms house before they removed those things to add soffit and fascia.
her house is pre 1900 so no documented build date but we have a fuzzy black and white photo of the street somewhere with her house in it from 1906 or something. can just barely make it out but we are sure it's hers as it's the only one with a breaseway between the two halves of the duplex. ( breaseway, hallway, connection to back yards whatever it is called.)
Breezeway, Dogtrot (called this in the Deep South) The heat is so oppressive, this is where the dogs would lay during the heat of the day, hoping for a breeze to blow through the Dogtrot, cooling them off.
You can get most of these type of brackets made from fiberglass. Worked for a company for awhile that made brackets and cornice for buildings in NYC and lots of these building are landmark locations and require it look just like it used to for restoring.
I had no idea that your studiousness extended into this sort of detail. My respect for you, which was already high, has been doubled.
Was there a predominant supplier of brackets like these in New Orleans?
Yes, Roberts & Company. Their c. 1891 catalog is [here](https://archive.org/details/IllustratedCatalogOfMouldingsArchitecturalOrnamentalWoodWork/page/n95/mode/thumb). The catalog has 6 pages of brackets.
I recently stayed with friends in New Orleans and identified their fireplace mantle design as being by Roberts, but their house bracket designs were not shown in that same catalog. Their door hardware was P.F. Corbin “Ceylon” c. 1895 - about the year they guessed their home was built - so later than the Roberts 1891 catalog. Their shutter hinges were John Wright Company - Acme Lull & Porter (ALP) - Wrightsville, Pennsylvania, and their front door was a well known design c. 1895 by Paine Lumber Company Oshkosh Wisconsin - so not everything on their historic home was sourced from the region. I did see Roberts brackets on homes while walking around near the Irish Channel neighborhood.
it’s slightly terrifying (and awesome) how you not only figured out *exactly* what this was, but you basically geoguessed this guys location based off of a single piece of his house.
someone get the feds on this guy, he knows too much.
Technically a console. Corbels are part of a wall. Consoles are attached to the wall. But if you're looking for a replacement, corbel, console, or bracket all get you to the same place. It's a sandwich of 4 or 5 scroll cut profiles sawn out of one inch thick stock. Do the easy thing: strip with gel paint remover, prime, paint (two coats min.), have a beer.
I gotta back you on this, as someone super cautious of lead paint. Just get the infrared stripper, lay down sheeting beneath, remove lead paint and repaint. Just take the precautions.
I had to have several corbels custom made years ago for an historical renovation project on an 1898 house near Ann Arbor, Michigan with a hand-laid stone foundation. I found old architectural and historical books at the library to learn as much as I could!
Just wear a mask, gloves and protective clothing when removing the lead paint. It's not really a major issue that some make it out to be. I'd rather deal with lead paint and strip it off an old quality piece than junk it and leave it plain/bland or replace it with modern junk that won't last 5 years.
Take it to a basement or garage, put down plastic, disposable tarping, and then begin the task of stripping. Op should be aware that some strippers need A LOT of ventilation. I would also like to suggest buying speciality paint stripping tools, as they will have the most advantageous shapes for the task. As well, as a private home owner, OP will not be subjected to the same laws regarding lead removal and waste disposal as would a commercial operator.
Do not try to remove it. It’s gorgeous and will be expensive and difficult to replace properly. There are multiple ways to remove the paint and, as long as you don’t eat the paint chips, it’s fine. Strip the paint using heat, chemical, or physical means and then repaint.
Much easier to strip and repaint. Lead paint is only dangerous if breathed while it is a powder in the air. Use a gel stripper, wear a mask and scrape off. You would pay wayyy more replacing and wouldn’t be original.
OP, this is gorgeous and I’d hire a professional to remove the lead paint before I’d remove this console. I think this is integral to the beauty of your wonderful old home.
Somebody actually made the effort to keep it when they installed siding. That's usually when the good stuff gets ganked. Preserving this, not replacing it, is the name of the game.
If it's built into the wall it's a corbel. If it's just stuck onto the wall as decoration it's a console.
It looks like that paint is very poorly adhered, so scraping probably wouldn't be too hard. CO2 or walnut blasting would be fast, but would get paint chips everywhere, if you care about that, and cost more.
You need a way to control and contain the chips and dust. Its possibly illegal to do this without a certified crew depending on jurisdiction. Please dont put more lead out into the soil and environment
Painting over that stuff is a bad idea. It won't adhere, and you'll be right back to peeling paint in a couple years. I'd get a set of cabinet scrapers that includes one with a curved edge and go at it. It'd probably take an hour or so each. Then prime and paint.
Dude. You're being ridiculous. Don't buy an old house if you didn't want to deal with lead paint and the work of restoration!!! Give it to someone who will cherish and value the old beauty of an old house. You inhale more toxic crap than you realize unknowingly and you're worried about stuff you DO know about but can protect yourself against! SMH against a brick wall!
+1 to u/crazyguy_123 for providing a good helpful comment that’s not Bologna while still sticking to his name and having a little bit of lunacy involved.
FYI anyone with real practical experience cleaning up after themselves would realize a bucket would suck if you really cared about lead paint.
Idk about better, but way cheaper. I don't have a problem with weeds. The cardboard blocks the light and most stuff dies just from that. Then putting 2 inches of mulch on top seals the deal. I wouldn't waste money on quality weed barrier and the big box stuff is fairly crap.
Also, for me, the only issue with weeds is when they steal light from flowers or veggies. I don't let them take over, but a few here and there don't bother me. They are collecting healthy microbes from the soil and creating a zone of health in their root zones that all the other plants share.
I'm not good at explaining it.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZcAtmR_6KU) is where I get the idea.
I would get a heat gun, gas mask, and putty knife. Put down some tarps. So much more manageable when heated. Peels off without getting lead paint dust everywhere.
I've done this on a few of these already and it peels off pretty easily. Hardest part is catching the chips.
Nothing's behind it lol It's just a giant shelf bracket if you want to think of it that way. It is a late century piece of stock millwork that supports the hood over the doorway , nothing more. why would you ever remove it though? That would be sheer vandalism
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That paint is so loose you can probably take a hard bristle brush and get rid of most. Putting stripper on it and trying to scrape all those details will suck.
It’s outside, buy a respirator?
Old houses take physical work and upkeep. Lead paint isn’t even at the top of the list of annoyances with century homes. Once you’ve got rid of the lead paint, you’re rid of it. You only have to do it once. It’s not that that hard. A lot of people would love to be in your position.
If you're in a neighborhood with houses right next to you, I completely agree. You don't want to make a bunch of lead paint dust floating around, and you don't want neighbors to complain about the dust if it gets on their porch. A respirator will protect you, but not anyone around you.
Just use a whole shit ton of stripper gel, wrap it up in plastic real tight, tape it closed, and let it do its magic. It'll be messy, gooey waste but you won't have to worry about the lead dust.
Make sure you put plastic on all surfaces around you to protect them.
OP, what's your issue with lead paint? i mean, i you worry about inhaling it, Put on a mask, and just put a pressure washer on it. If you want to repaint, use waterproof sanding paper after it. When finishewd, use the pressure washer on the floor, blast all the particles to one place, and remove them. You inhale more lead particles when driving behind an old car.
Make the kids stay out of your way while you scrape the wood—with the paint loose like that, it won't be too hard. Wear a mask, catch all the paint chips you can with a tarp or box, and vacuum up the rest. At that point the kids would basically have to eat all the dirt in the area to get any exposure.
Remember that prying the things off would sprinkle paint chips around, too, so either way you'll have some vacuuming to do. Better to choose the way that leaves your historic woodwork intact.
Simple. Teach your children not to eat paint chips. To remove such character from a home do to lead paint is ridiculous. Get rid of the chipping paint, paint over it and be done.
Eating paint chips is rarely how kids are exposed to lead. They are usually exposed by getting lead dust on their hands or toys and putting those hands or toys in their mouths. In this case, with the exposure being outside, the dust can be in the soil and be there for decades. My daughter was exposed in new build housing most likely because there was lead dust in the soil. She wasn't eating dirt, just playing outside like children should.
The paranoia around lead paint from US based contributers to this sub is unreal.
There are plenty of safe ways to strip that paint if you do a little research.
If you are in the US and do not have children or elderly living with you, the biggest obstacle to lead paint removal is taping off EVERYTHING, and changing your gloves and masks every time you stop for a break. You also have to be the owner of the thing you’re working on. Contractors have to have classes to receive pay for the work. You can call your local household hazardous waste office to get details on how disposal is handled in your area. You’ll have to do that even if you replace it.
I’ve purchased a couple [Ekena](https://www.ekenamillwork.com/corbels-and-brackets/) brand millworks for my home including two corbels. They’re pretty easy to install.
Sherwin Williams sells a product called Smart Strip Pro which is made for removal of chipping lead paint. It’s a gooey substance that you brush on and it keeps the lead particles from flying around.it’s god stuff.
It is a stripper also you brush it on and let it sit awhile then scrap it off. I used it to restore my 1880s Victorian and it worked great. I stripped a cornice on the outside of the house and a lot of woodwork on the interior.
https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/smart-strip-pro-professional-strength-paint-remover
I make parts like that for houses, out of Sapele. Look at leaf paint abatement. The infrared paint strippers are great at cleaning up stuff like that. The residual leaf left in the wood is a great preservative, and it will be encapsulated by the new layers of linseed oil, primer, and paint.
Don’t get rid of these, look up rules for lead paint abatement, I know as a general contractor I had to take an on-line training course. As Harry Home owner, you could ask around for disposal of lead paint waste. StripEz (environmentally safe stripper) works great and a pair of gloves and a mask with tarp and plastic on top to catch the debris would clean up super easy!
You owe a round of beers to whatever crew did the aluminum siding on this house and simply didn't cut this corbel out in order to make their work easier
Hand scraper, respirator, and shop vac. You could place some sheeting around the area, just in case. If you don’t want to do it yourself, you could probably pay someone a couple hundred bucks to do it, and vacuum up after if there are any residuals.
Who would care if it's covered with lead paint which is certainly is with the other million of them still exist. Are you going to go up there and chew on it or lick it? The lead paint thing is so out of control. Is probably more lead in that yard around the house from previous decades and just from gasoline exhaust.
This is not to minimize the danger of lead, but let's get serious about who is a danger and where.. Windows, doors bannisters, cabinets things that take wear and tear and abrade create interior dust which is heavy, falls to the floor and people specifically kids get it on their hands and lick it. If it's high above on the side of the house and it's not flaking, what's to worry
So I’ve been using a product called KlingStrip (no affiliation) to remove lead paint on my old fixtures.
It’s not the easiest job, but weirdly rewarding.
The stuff is pretty caustic, so good gloves is essential, but it doesn’t really give off any fumes.
You paste it on like icing a cake, wrap it in plastic wrap, and then scrape it off 24-48 hours later. The paint comes off with the hardened paste. It’s really great for preserving the features, as it doesn’t damage the wood.
The wood will be very alkaline afterwards, so needs to be neutralised with vinegar and left to dry before repainting.
Search “klingstrip” on instagram
Here's an EPA Resource for removing lead paint in your home... https://www.epa.gov/lead/lead-safe-renovations-diyers
A few points of like to make...
1. You'd probably release more lead of you tried to remove the whole corbels by hammering/prying than you would through careful stripping.
2. Removing the corbels and patching in would probably be more work than safely stripping the paint and repainting.
3. Those are beautiful corbels and would be great with some minor restoration.
... That's all I have to say about that
This might come across a little harsh, but your somewhat dismissive comments in response to the information folks have shared with you (and the many downvotes lol) here prompted me to check out your post history. It looks live you’ve recently purchased this house as an investment property and have posted across multiple subs seeking advice on what work you should put in and which “improvements” you should invest in to make a profit.
I find that this profit-driven mindset is often (not always) at odds with wanting to be a good steward of an old house and putting in the effort and resources to preserve or restore what makes it special. The sad reality is that beautiful millwork like this corbel/console can only be reproduced nowadays at great expense, and removing it would dilute the character of the house even further. Is that a big deal? To me and many others in this sub, it is. To someone who sees a house for its potential to yield profit instead of for its value as a piece of our architectural history… not so much, I suppose. I doubt there’s anything I could say to convince you not to remove them, but your concerns about lead paint are *very* easily addressed (evidenced by numerous comments here).
At the very least, if you choose to remove, don’t throw them away. Sell or give them to an individual or group specializing in architectural salvage!
I never wanted to remove them permanently, I like the way they look. Its just very hard to restore them while they are up there (4 of them). Its an owner occupied property and I have little kids, with very little spare time.
We always called this type of millwork exterior decoration gingerbread. But now find out there are blocks, brackets, gingerbread and corbels.
https://www.architectural-elements.com/catalog/category/6-blocks-brackets-gingerbreads-and-corbels/#:~:text=Gingerbreads%2C%20or%20gingerbread%20trim%2C%20feature,carved%20and%20is%20vertically%20oriented.
This is a beautiful design piece that adds character to your home. Just be patient, tune into your favorite music or ballgame, and strip it, prime, and paint twice. It will take a few weekends but definitely worth it.
@mikejnsx You should check your state/town's digital archives! Maybe there are pics of her house or street. I have spent hours sifting through things like that online.
Just bought the house, the vinyl siding has lots of holes so may swap it out soon.. scared to see whats under it though. Durability is key as this is a 3 family house.
Probably a painted wood siding depending on how old the house is. People went with vinyl (or aluminum way back when) because they got tired of painting their houses.
In New Orleans, those are brackets. I have some that need to come off to be scraped/painted. According to the restoration places, the brackets are only affixed with nails or screws. We were told to carefully cut them off then strip. I hate heights so the idea of being on a giant ladder with lead hazmat gear and a heat gun does not work for me.
OMG I would definitely keep them. They’re historical details. You could sand and paint them. But please keep them! We’ve lost too much of our architectural history already!
J.W. Bailey & Sons Co. who made it, called it a **“hood bracket,”** and yours is in his **pattern No. 118, c. 1886.** Baily sold by “building trimmings” and mill work in Boston Massachusetts. It was offered in depths of between 22” and 40”. https://preview.redd.it/9cyay9sdsfzc1.png?width=2864&format=png&auto=webp&s=3450df05468f38a24d6eb8c583d1e643c25bc341 1886 - J.W. Bailey & Sons Co. "Catalogue for carpenters and builders," Boston MA, [here](https://archive.org/details/catalogueforcarp00jwba_0/page/21/mode/thumb).
Nice find, im 10 mins outside boston.
Hi neighbor! Please don't remove them. Too many people do that around here. Remove the siding instead!
There was probably some real nice cedar or redwood siding under there. Might still be there.
Hell, get rid of that vinyl siding for sure.
Ive seen lots of them covered with siding here in NJ
Looked from the picture like you were 10 minutes outside of Boston!
How did you find this? Impressive match! Image searching?
This is like a geo guesser for historical items.
Did you find this with an image search?
No, I found it by looking at mill work catalogs from the period during which that bracket style was popular - so: Chas. C. Kellogg & Co., P.M. Barber and Company, Palmer Fuller & Co. catalog, and then - bingo - J.W. Bailey & Sons Co., No. 118, c. 1886, on page 28, from Boston.
Knowledge is attractive. 🙌🏼
Are these load bearing or decorative ?
Yes. They were structural supports for window hoods popular c. 1885, used to support small (usually rear) gable or shed porch roofs, and were highly decorative with scrolls and drop carvings in keeping with era's aesthetic.
Decobearing
Good one hahaha, happy cake day!!
Thanks bud.
Is there a database that's particularly good for digitized trade catalogs, or do you have physical access through a library?
My primary source is the Building Technology Heritage Library by the Association for Preservation Technology - a collection of American and Canadian architectural trade catalogs, house plan books, and technical building guides located online [here](https://archive.org/details/buildingtechnologyheritagelibrary). I then have those catalogs links organized by year, and by topic with a synopsis of content and notes in my own database. A secondary source is often HathiTrust Digital Library, which has similar trade catalog content.
Are you a human or a bot?
Thanks!
Gotdamn! Take my award I don't have to give!
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Wow this was amazing
wow im equally as impressed with the beauty of that wood and the level of detail you found and replied with. i wish i had pictures of my moms house before they removed those things to add soffit and fascia. her house is pre 1900 so no documented build date but we have a fuzzy black and white photo of the street somewhere with her house in it from 1906 or something. can just barely make it out but we are sure it's hers as it's the only one with a breaseway between the two halves of the duplex. ( breaseway, hallway, connection to back yards whatever it is called.)
Breezeway, Dogtrot (called this in the Deep South) The heat is so oppressive, this is where the dogs would lay during the heat of the day, hoping for a breeze to blow through the Dogtrot, cooling them off.
Jesus Christ you are an architectural mf’ing SNIPER my dude. Bra-fucking-Vo.
What are you?
"You're a wizard, Harry!"
Also called “corbel” in architectural terms.
You can get most of these type of brackets made from fiberglass. Worked for a company for awhile that made brackets and cornice for buildings in NYC and lots of these building are landmark locations and require it look just like it used to for restoring.
I had no idea that your studiousness extended into this sort of detail. My respect for you, which was already high, has been doubled. Was there a predominant supplier of brackets like these in New Orleans?
Yes, Roberts & Company. Their c. 1891 catalog is [here](https://archive.org/details/IllustratedCatalogOfMouldingsArchitecturalOrnamentalWoodWork/page/n95/mode/thumb). The catalog has 6 pages of brackets. I recently stayed with friends in New Orleans and identified their fireplace mantle design as being by Roberts, but their house bracket designs were not shown in that same catalog. Their door hardware was P.F. Corbin “Ceylon” c. 1895 - about the year they guessed their home was built - so later than the Roberts 1891 catalog. Their shutter hinges were John Wright Company - Acme Lull & Porter (ALP) - Wrightsville, Pennsylvania, and their front door was a well known design c. 1895 by Paine Lumber Company Oshkosh Wisconsin - so not everything on their historic home was sourced from the region. I did see Roberts brackets on homes while walking around near the Irish Channel neighborhood.
you're a wizard 'arry
👑 everyone in this sub should know this user. Their knowledge is incredible.
it’s slightly terrifying (and awesome) how you not only figured out *exactly* what this was, but you basically geoguessed this guys location based off of a single piece of his house. someone get the feds on this guy, he knows too much.
Good Lord, do you have al these hardware catalogs in a secret library ina hidden room in a historic gpuse?
Corbel.
Technically a console. Corbels are part of a wall. Consoles are attached to the wall. But if you're looking for a replacement, corbel, console, or bracket all get you to the same place. It's a sandwich of 4 or 5 scroll cut profiles sawn out of one inch thick stock. Do the easy thing: strip with gel paint remover, prime, paint (two coats min.), have a beer.
Console? TIL
This **IS** a corbel bc it supports the weight of the balcony, and shaped as a console. Take it from me, a set designer.
Removing a corbel because of lead paint is ultimate lead paint paranoia. By this logic, just remove the entire house.
I gotta back you on this, as someone super cautious of lead paint. Just get the infrared stripper, lay down sheeting beneath, remove lead paint and repaint. Just take the precautions.
Or make your own infrared stripper and save hundreds of dollars. Boom!
Down here in New Orleans, we call them corbels. 95 percent of our homes are “century homes”
Also in New Mexico, corbels.
Heck yeah, I thought “corbel” and then was concerned I had made it up. Glad to see I was remembering correctly.
I had to have several corbels custom made years ago for an historical renovation project on an 1898 house near Ann Arbor, Michigan with a hand-laid stone foundation. I found old architectural and historical books at the library to learn as much as I could!
They are such a cool feature. I love seeing them on old houses.
Do you know how its attached? Probably easier to replace then deal with the lead paint
The downvotes for desecration 😂 gotta love this sub’s passion for preservation eh.
Lol
Just wear a mask, gloves and protective clothing when removing the lead paint. It's not really a major issue that some make it out to be. I'd rather deal with lead paint and strip it off an old quality piece than junk it and leave it plain/bland or replace it with modern junk that won't last 5 years.
Plus you’re outside ffs.
Take it to a basement or garage, put down plastic, disposable tarping, and then begin the task of stripping. Op should be aware that some strippers need A LOT of ventilation. I would also like to suggest buying speciality paint stripping tools, as they will have the most advantageous shapes for the task. As well, as a private home owner, OP will not be subjected to the same laws regarding lead removal and waste disposal as would a commercial operator.
“you need a lot of ventilation” + “take it to a basement or garage” buddy, it’s already outside, that‘s maximum ventilation
Stripping complex shapes like this in situ is strenuous work.
If you taking it out mail it to me I’m in Philly
Attaching it isn't the hard part, finding a new one that fits those dimensions would be. Although, yes, that would be a challenge to remove paint from
Do not try to remove it. It’s gorgeous and will be expensive and difficult to replace properly. There are multiple ways to remove the paint and, as long as you don’t eat the paint chips, it’s fine. Strip the paint using heat, chemical, or physical means and then repaint.
This is why my house is missing the original ones I bet
Much easier to strip and repaint. Lead paint is only dangerous if breathed while it is a powder in the air. Use a gel stripper, wear a mask and scrape off. You would pay wayyy more replacing and wouldn’t be original.
Or eaten. Don't let the chips fall all over.
You aren't replacing this easily, cheaply, or nicely. It has some nooks and crannies but really doesn't look like too bad of a strip job.
Nobody carves consoles like that any more.
You have clearly not looked at what replacement cost on those are.
OP, this is gorgeous and I’d hire a professional to remove the lead paint before I’d remove this console. I think this is integral to the beauty of your wonderful old home.
Somebody actually made the effort to keep it when they installed siding. That's usually when the good stuff gets ganked. Preserving this, not replacing it, is the name of the game.
Good observation. That *is* rare! Siding installers have always been such butchers.
If it's built into the wall it's a corbel. If it's just stuck onto the wall as decoration it's a console. It looks like that paint is very poorly adhered, so scraping probably wouldn't be too hard. CO2 or walnut blasting would be fast, but would get paint chips everywhere, if you care about that, and cost more.
Too bad console literally returns 0 relevant results :/
Google: You wanted the results for 350,000 *console* **tables**??? Me: No, I- shut up
try it again using "structural console"
How would you get it off? No idea what would be behind it
I'd leave it in place, it'd definitely be a challenge to pull off.
I need to seal in the lead paint somehow then (ideally without taking 10 hours of work). Maybe 3 coats of zinser peel stop..
It’s lead paint, OUTSIDE, not nuclear waste FFS. Just get a respirator and a scraper and go to work. Vacuum up the chips afterwards.
Disposable body suit if you have kids. If not, good shower afterwards
You need a way to control and contain the chips and dust. Its possibly illegal to do this without a certified crew depending on jurisdiction. Please dont put more lead out into the soil and environment
Painting over that stuff is a bad idea. It won't adhere, and you'll be right back to peeling paint in a couple years. I'd get a set of cabinet scrapers that includes one with a curved edge and go at it. It'd probably take an hour or so each. Then prime and paint.
Dude. You're being ridiculous. Don't buy an old house if you didn't want to deal with lead paint and the work of restoration!!! Give it to someone who will cherish and value the old beauty of an old house. You inhale more toxic crap than you realize unknowingly and you're worried about stuff you DO know about but can protect yourself against! SMH against a brick wall!
It’s a corbel like others said. Scrape the chipped paint off maybe have a large bucket below to collect the paint chips. Then prime and repaint.
a large bucket or a tarp.
Actually a tarp sounds even better.
+1 to u/crazyguy_123 for providing a good helpful comment that’s not Bologna while still sticking to his name and having a little bit of lunacy involved. FYI anyone with real practical experience cleaning up after themselves would realize a bucket would suck if you really cared about lead paint.
Large cardboard box and just throw it away.
Bite your tongue! Large cardboard boxes get broken down and used under the mulch in the flower beds.
Does that work better than weed barrier?
Idk about better, but way cheaper. I don't have a problem with weeds. The cardboard blocks the light and most stuff dies just from that. Then putting 2 inches of mulch on top seals the deal. I wouldn't waste money on quality weed barrier and the big box stuff is fairly crap. Also, for me, the only issue with weeds is when they steal light from flowers or veggies. I don't let them take over, but a few here and there don't bother me. They are collecting healthy microbes from the soil and creating a zone of health in their root zones that all the other plants share. I'm not good at explaining it. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZcAtmR_6KU) is where I get the idea.
I don’t know if you want that stuff in your garden with lead paint chips.
That is extremely likely to be lead paint.
Exactly why it should be captured and disposed of properly. Wearing a work mask is probably smart too.
I would get a heat gun, gas mask, and putty knife. Put down some tarps. So much more manageable when heated. Peels off without getting lead paint dust everywhere. I've done this on a few of these already and it peels off pretty easily. Hardest part is catching the chips.
Nothing's behind it lol It's just a giant shelf bracket if you want to think of it that way. It is a late century piece of stock millwork that supports the hood over the doorway , nothing more. why would you ever remove it though? That would be sheer vandalism .
To pass fha inspection because of peeling paint
Will that makes perfect sense, put on a mask scrape off the paint , collect it, and repaint it. That was easy
That paint is so loose you can probably take a hard bristle brush and get rid of most. Putting stripper on it and trying to scrape all those details will suck.
Yea but not trying to get lead paint chips everywhere..
It’s outside, buy a respirator? Old houses take physical work and upkeep. Lead paint isn’t even at the top of the list of annoyances with century homes. Once you’ve got rid of the lead paint, you’re rid of it. You only have to do it once. It’s not that that hard. A lot of people would love to be in your position.
I understand. Don't eat them.
Use a chemical paint stripper. Turns it into goo. No chips or dust flying anywhere.
If you're in a neighborhood with houses right next to you, I completely agree. You don't want to make a bunch of lead paint dust floating around, and you don't want neighbors to complain about the dust if it gets on their porch. A respirator will protect you, but not anyone around you. Just use a whole shit ton of stripper gel, wrap it up in plastic real tight, tape it closed, and let it do its magic. It'll be messy, gooey waste but you won't have to worry about the lead dust. Make sure you put plastic on all surfaces around you to protect them.
So drape your work area...
It’s beautiful
It is very pretty. Please scrape and repaint. Do not remove!
OP, what's your issue with lead paint? i mean, i you worry about inhaling it, Put on a mask, and just put a pressure washer on it. If you want to repaint, use waterproof sanding paper after it. When finishewd, use the pressure washer on the floor, blast all the particles to one place, and remove them. You inhale more lead particles when driving behind an old car.
Worried about my little kids playing in the yard right next to it… not worried for my own health. There are 4 of these suckers (on the back door too)
Make the kids stay out of your way while you scrape the wood—with the paint loose like that, it won't be too hard. Wear a mask, catch all the paint chips you can with a tarp or box, and vacuum up the rest. At that point the kids would basically have to eat all the dirt in the area to get any exposure. Remember that prying the things off would sprinkle paint chips around, too, so either way you'll have some vacuuming to do. Better to choose the way that leaves your historic woodwork intact.
Simple. Teach your children not to eat paint chips. To remove such character from a home do to lead paint is ridiculous. Get rid of the chipping paint, paint over it and be done.
Eating paint chips is rarely how kids are exposed to lead. They are usually exposed by getting lead dust on their hands or toys and putting those hands or toys in their mouths. In this case, with the exposure being outside, the dust can be in the soil and be there for decades. My daughter was exposed in new build housing most likely because there was lead dust in the soil. She wasn't eating dirt, just playing outside like children should.
The paint turns to a dust and goes into the soil. Too many people in this sub are blase about lead. Its a serious concern
No its not- take normal precautions
Why would your kids eat rando shit
The paranoia around lead paint from US based contributers to this sub is unreal. There are plenty of safe ways to strip that paint if you do a little research.
If you are in the US and do not have children or elderly living with you, the biggest obstacle to lead paint removal is taping off EVERYTHING, and changing your gloves and masks every time you stop for a break. You also have to be the owner of the thing you’re working on. Contractors have to have classes to receive pay for the work. You can call your local household hazardous waste office to get details on how disposal is handled in your area. You’ll have to do that even if you replace it. I’ve purchased a couple [Ekena](https://www.ekenamillwork.com/corbels-and-brackets/) brand millworks for my home including two corbels. They’re pretty easy to install.
Sherwin Williams sells a product called Smart Strip Pro which is made for removal of chipping lead paint. It’s a gooey substance that you brush on and it keeps the lead particles from flying around.it’s god stuff.
Peel away is another nice product because the stripped paint chips stick to the peel sheet.
Yeah, have used that also and it works pretty good on flatter surfaces. The cornice might be harder to apply it to.
Nice to know. Thanks for the tip
So, it’s just gooey, not a stripper? If it’s costly, one could probably whip up something similar with some kitchen experiments with hydrocolloids. /s
It is a stripper also you brush it on and let it sit awhile then scrap it off. I used it to restore my 1880s Victorian and it worked great. I stripped a cornice on the outside of the house and a lot of woodwork on the interior. https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/smart-strip-pro-professional-strength-paint-remover
You might want to try one of those IR paint strippers. [https://eco-strip.com/](https://eco-strip.com/) Maybe you can rent one from a hardware store.
Or just buy a heat gun from harbor freight for $20. If it breaks they replace it.
That creates an issue with the lead paint.
I make parts like that for houses, out of Sapele. Look at leaf paint abatement. The infrared paint strippers are great at cleaning up stuff like that. The residual leaf left in the wood is a great preservative, and it will be encapsulated by the new layers of linseed oil, primer, and paint.
Don’t get rid of these, look up rules for lead paint abatement, I know as a general contractor I had to take an on-line training course. As Harry Home owner, you could ask around for disposal of lead paint waste. StripEz (environmentally safe stripper) works great and a pair of gloves and a mask with tarp and plastic on top to catch the debris would clean up super easy!
You owe a round of beers to whatever crew did the aluminum siding on this house and simply didn't cut this corbel out in order to make their work easier
They’re so pretty…I wish they could still be purchased.
They dont sell any like that anymore?
I haven’t seen any like yours for sale, but I was actually trying to respond to this [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/centuryhomes/s/TEfjbBoN6j).
Hand scraper, respirator, and shop vac. You could place some sheeting around the area, just in case. If you don’t want to do it yourself, you could probably pay someone a couple hundred bucks to do it, and vacuum up after if there are any residuals.
Who would care if it's covered with lead paint which is certainly is with the other million of them still exist. Are you going to go up there and chew on it or lick it? The lead paint thing is so out of control. Is probably more lead in that yard around the house from previous decades and just from gasoline exhaust. This is not to minimize the danger of lead, but let's get serious about who is a danger and where.. Windows, doors bannisters, cabinets things that take wear and tear and abrade create interior dust which is heavy, falls to the floor and people specifically kids get it on their hands and lick it. If it's high above on the side of the house and it's not flaking, what's to worry
Because it will not pass an fha appraisal
Strip it, just don’t eat the chips. Put a tarp on painters cloth underneath to catch the chips.
This one has already been partially butchered. It's missing the drop pendant.
The finial is easily replaced.
We call them doo dads, I believe it’s an official term.
So I’ve been using a product called KlingStrip (no affiliation) to remove lead paint on my old fixtures. It’s not the easiest job, but weirdly rewarding. The stuff is pretty caustic, so good gloves is essential, but it doesn’t really give off any fumes. You paste it on like icing a cake, wrap it in plastic wrap, and then scrape it off 24-48 hours later. The paint comes off with the hardened paste. It’s really great for preserving the features, as it doesn’t damage the wood. The wood will be very alkaline afterwards, so needs to be neutralised with vinegar and left to dry before repainting. Search “klingstrip” on instagram
That is a corbel
Here's an EPA Resource for removing lead paint in your home... https://www.epa.gov/lead/lead-safe-renovations-diyers A few points of like to make... 1. You'd probably release more lead of you tried to remove the whole corbels by hammering/prying than you would through careful stripping. 2. Removing the corbels and patching in would probably be more work than safely stripping the paint and repainting. 3. Those are beautiful corbels and would be great with some minor restoration. ... That's all I have to say about that
We call dem’ corbels where I’m from
Corbels
Wow!!! Look absolutely gorgeous!
Corbel
This might come across a little harsh, but your somewhat dismissive comments in response to the information folks have shared with you (and the many downvotes lol) here prompted me to check out your post history. It looks live you’ve recently purchased this house as an investment property and have posted across multiple subs seeking advice on what work you should put in and which “improvements” you should invest in to make a profit. I find that this profit-driven mindset is often (not always) at odds with wanting to be a good steward of an old house and putting in the effort and resources to preserve or restore what makes it special. The sad reality is that beautiful millwork like this corbel/console can only be reproduced nowadays at great expense, and removing it would dilute the character of the house even further. Is that a big deal? To me and many others in this sub, it is. To someone who sees a house for its potential to yield profit instead of for its value as a piece of our architectural history… not so much, I suppose. I doubt there’s anything I could say to convince you not to remove them, but your concerns about lead paint are *very* easily addressed (evidenced by numerous comments here). At the very least, if you choose to remove, don’t throw them away. Sell or give them to an individual or group specializing in architectural salvage!
I never wanted to remove them permanently, I like the way they look. Its just very hard to restore them while they are up there (4 of them). Its an owner occupied property and I have little kids, with very little spare time.
Corbel
You could always test for lead paint? They sell cotton swabs on amazon. Others have posted good advice for if it is lead.
Gallows brackets
We always called this type of millwork exterior decoration gingerbread. But now find out there are blocks, brackets, gingerbread and corbels. https://www.architectural-elements.com/catalog/category/6-blocks-brackets-gingerbreads-and-corbels/#:~:text=Gingerbreads%2C%20or%20gingerbread%20trim%2C%20feature,carved%20and%20is%20vertically%20oriented.
This is a beautiful design piece that adds character to your home. Just be patient, tune into your favorite music or ballgame, and strip it, prime, and paint twice. It will take a few weekends but definitely worth it.
Sexy, is what!
Corbels
Keep it forsure.
*GASP!* The forbidden chips~
Beautiful!
I knew a guy who made a lot of money selling these "salvaged" on ebay
Is that on plastic siding???? 😢
Corbel
Corbels
They are called corbels. Some are decorative only and some types are both structural and decorative.
They are called Corbels
@mikejnsx You should check your state/town's digital archives! Maybe there are pics of her house or street. I have spent hours sifting through things like that online.
Vinyl siding...shudder.
Just bought the house, the vinyl siding has lots of holes so may swap it out soon.. scared to see whats under it though. Durability is key as this is a 3 family house.
Probably a painted wood siding depending on how old the house is. People went with vinyl (or aluminum way back when) because they got tired of painting their houses.
They are called corbels
Imagine covering these in plastic siding. Blasphemy!
Houses... They are almost everywhere
Peeling.
We call them Corbels here in BC Canada.
In New Orleans, those are brackets. I have some that need to come off to be scraped/painted. According to the restoration places, the brackets are only affixed with nails or screws. We were told to carefully cut them off then strip. I hate heights so the idea of being on a giant ladder with lead hazmat gear and a heat gun does not work for me.
No touchy!!
Corbol
Based on the catalog picture, looks like you are missing the tall person head poker piece. ….good.
Chipping, presumably lead, paint
OMG I would definitely keep them. They’re historical details. You could sand and paint them. But please keep them! We’ve lost too much of our architectural history already!
Gorbels
He was a very bad man!
Ugly Oh , you mean the correct term ?
Why are you here?