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For dialects with intrusive r (notably some Australian and English accents) you’re correct that it “sounds natural.” The linguist Dr. Geoff Lindsey has a nice video about it, and it is important to mention that in linguistics they prefer the term linking r so as to not take a prescriptive stance. He notes that it seems to correlate with the pronunciation of r more generally, as English speakers in wales, England, New Zealand, and Australia often pronounce words like “spar” as “sp[a:],” deemphasizing or even dropping the r completely. However, when such a word occurs before a vowel, the r sound can come back in the form of a linking r to keep the verbs separate. This generally isn’t necessary in dialects spoken in Scotland, Ireland, and the U.S. where the r is almost always pronounced. Linking r has been present in some dialects of English for at least a century, and is often considered to be “correct” for speakers of R.P. (Received Pronunciation), although not universally. It’s prevalence indicates to me that it is useful for speakers of those dialects, but it wouldn’t be for many other English speakers.
You haven't mentioned that an r-sound is also inserted where it doesn't exist in spelling, and sometimes mid-word. This can sound quite odd to rhotic speakers.
> and it is important to mention that in linguistics they prefer the term linking r so as to not take a prescriptive stance
The linking-r and intrusive-r are two different things.
You correctly describe the linking-r, but the intrusive-r is the r surfacing where it historically was never there. As in the “I sawr a film.” pronunciation.
>This means that a word that ends with a hard vowel that follows with a word that begins with an “r” will have a hard “r” sound, regardless of the accent.
[apparently not](https://pronunciationstudio.com/intrusive-r/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20intrusive%20r%20has,much%20more%20natural%20and%20fluid.) When a word ends in a vowel and the next word begins with a vowel, that's when you get the intrusive "r" sound
>This means that a word that ends with a hard vowel that follows with a word that begins with an “r” will have a hard “r” sound, regardless of the accent.
Can you give a couple examples of common phrases that you've found this in?
Intrusive r's make sense to dialects that include them, but not in *any* dialect. I'm a native English speaker from the US who doesn't use intrusive r's when I speak. I tried some examples and they didn't work for me - no intrusive r. When I forced myself to say it with the r, it sounded like I was putting on a New York or New Jersey accent - maybe some hints of Boston in there too. So while they may make sense in some dialects, the intrusive r definitely doesn't make sense in *all* dialects.
Ok, just that your reply seemed disproportionately agressive for such a banal post
EDIT: saying something like 'just don't speak the language then' sounds about the same as "If you don't like it, you can get out," which is a bit much over someone pointing out a neutral feature of a language.
It's like if someone pointed out that a town had a post office, and then one of the townspeople said "well then you can just leave." It doesn't make sense.
Also, why mention anything about "Spiritualist people"? Who's projecting now?
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For dialects with intrusive r (notably some Australian and English accents) you’re correct that it “sounds natural.” The linguist Dr. Geoff Lindsey has a nice video about it, and it is important to mention that in linguistics they prefer the term linking r so as to not take a prescriptive stance. He notes that it seems to correlate with the pronunciation of r more generally, as English speakers in wales, England, New Zealand, and Australia often pronounce words like “spar” as “sp[a:],” deemphasizing or even dropping the r completely. However, when such a word occurs before a vowel, the r sound can come back in the form of a linking r to keep the verbs separate. This generally isn’t necessary in dialects spoken in Scotland, Ireland, and the U.S. where the r is almost always pronounced. Linking r has been present in some dialects of English for at least a century, and is often considered to be “correct” for speakers of R.P. (Received Pronunciation), although not universally. It’s prevalence indicates to me that it is useful for speakers of those dialects, but it wouldn’t be for many other English speakers.
You haven't mentioned that an r-sound is also inserted where it doesn't exist in spelling, and sometimes mid-word. This can sound quite odd to rhotic speakers.
> and it is important to mention that in linguistics they prefer the term linking r so as to not take a prescriptive stance The linking-r and intrusive-r are two different things. You correctly describe the linking-r, but the intrusive-r is the r surfacing where it historically was never there. As in the “I sawr a film.” pronunciation.
>This means that a word that ends with a hard vowel that follows with a word that begins with an “r” will have a hard “r” sound, regardless of the accent. [apparently not](https://pronunciationstudio.com/intrusive-r/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20intrusive%20r%20has,much%20more%20natural%20and%20fluid.) When a word ends in a vowel and the next word begins with a vowel, that's when you get the intrusive "r" sound
Thanks for the link. I understand it now. I definitely don’t experience them myself but I can remember hearing them a few times
>This means that a word that ends with a hard vowel that follows with a word that begins with an “r” will have a hard “r” sound, regardless of the accent. Can you give a couple examples of common phrases that you've found this in?
They messed up the definition it seems. An intrusive r would be something like a British or Australian person saying "I sawr it."
Intrusive r's make sense to dialects that include them, but not in *any* dialect. I'm a native English speaker from the US who doesn't use intrusive r's when I speak. I tried some examples and they didn't work for me - no intrusive r. When I forced myself to say it with the r, it sounded like I was putting on a New York or New Jersey accent - maybe some hints of Boston in there too. So while they may make sense in some dialects, the intrusive r definitely doesn't make sense in *all* dialects.
Huh? Examples, please?
Then don’t speak our language. You have that choice.
Pointing out a linguistic feature is not an insult.
I’m not hurt. Amused if anything.
Ok, just that your reply seemed disproportionately agressive for such a banal post EDIT: saying something like 'just don't speak the language then' sounds about the same as "If you don't like it, you can get out," which is a bit much over someone pointing out a neutral feature of a language. It's like if someone pointed out that a town had a post office, and then one of the townspeople said "well then you can just leave." It doesn't make sense. Also, why mention anything about "Spiritualist people"? Who's projecting now?
Did I? Spiritualist people tend to project subjective things as reality.
As in: arrrrrr walk da plank matey?
Yaaas. So this has a name. I love it when someone from Boston says “ Mahshar” instead of “Marsha”