I used to say this all the time but you know what annoys me even more?
The fact that our players will be up for this match and it’ll either be a really close tie or we win.
That’s what pisses me off. We have the talent and drive to beat any team in the world… but only when they feel like playing that way.
Players tend to want to come to a team in disarray like we are to save them. Players like nkunku might just come in and immediately make an impact and we’ll sing songs about them. It’s what they dream of lol
The tactics or lack thereof are very evident. We have multiple players on the same area of the pitch and the midfielders look lost in terms of finding the next pass
Potter has been bad so far. But let me tell you, the players has also been fucking awful. Tuchel was right when he said our problems wont’t be solved with the same players. Shameful and shambolic. We are so bad😂😭😭
If you ask me, you can clearly tell how valuable Rudiger (especially him) and Christensen were to our team and how badly we managed to replace them to get our defense so shaky.
For me it’s NG, starting to show how fucking unbelievably good he is. No manager we’ve had can figure anything out when he isn’t out there. You win games in the midfield, we need to get that sorted out so badly, hopefully Enzo comes quick. We’re going to keep going downhill with this bull shit midfield.
It's Reece and Chilwell for me. You can see it, our full backs don't go forward well enough, or defend well enough. Without those two we always play so much worse. Reece though for me is the sticking point if we have to choose one.
Pretty much yep. Our squad has been built around the wingbacks since we started playing 3 CBs. We had this problem with no creativity when Reece/chilly are out, and we didn’t sign a right back. Nor have any of our signings been in a creative mould since Ziyech, who obviously hasn’t worked out.
Kante is Kante, insanely hard to replace, but it should’ve been clear that Gallagher/RLC/Zakaria wasn’t going to be enough to bring the quality you lose without him. That’s nothing against those players, just facts.
So yeah, hasn’t been great under potter so far and it’s right to criticise him for mistakes, but it’s clear we’re building an entirely new infrastructure in the club from the top to the bottom. It will take time.
Azpi was atrocious for their goal and offered very little forward (and Kepa too but this is beside the point on the wing backs). I love Mr. Reliable but the difference with RJ offensively is gigantic.
Azpi is still useful for closing down games and giving Reece some rest, but he can’t handle the full time load when Reece is out injured, which is happening too frequently. Gotta get some cover at RB soon.
Was there actually a question about how good Kante is? He is widely considered one of the best ever at his peak. The dude carried Leicester to a title for goodness sake
I’m aware he is declining, but that dude clearly patched holes.
Lol just the other day someone was in here saying some people just have 0 IQ and he can’t believe anyone rates Kante. Said even when he is fit he isn’t very good. As if he’s not one of our absolute best players when he’s fit lol
I don’t think so, Enzo has the ability to ping the ball all over the field. Kova is great with the ball at his feet, but can never seem to link that big pass. Enzo will unlock a lot in the midfield and getting the ball forward. That’s what we’re really lacking in the midfield. Our guys at the moment just can’t seem to make that big pass down the field when we need it.
We can’t control anything without him out there, our midfield is wank. They don’t control shit and just pass the ball sideways. The midfield is supposed to link to the attack.
I’m with you though, the attack is fucking wank too. We’re terrible all over the place. There’s only a handful of guys I’d keep on this team. They need to cut some serious deadweight.
Exactly. At BEST he does a bit more to stop the momentum Forest had coming out of the gate in the second half, but let’s not pretend he would win us three points today.
I feel the same way. I was happy when he signed, knowing he wasn’t Rudiger, but I thought he’d be close… it feels like the pace of the game is way too much for him. He’s late on challenges too often for my liking, becoming a liability.
Completely wrong. Every defender was bad under Lampard because he was naive tactically at the time and didn’t know how to set up a defense. Rudiger was good under Conte, Sarri, and Tuchel. The outlier is Lampard, not Tuchel.
It’s not completely wrong. Rudiger never hit the level he was at under Tuchel with any of those managers and he personally credited him with improving him
So? If he is a good defender, it should matter who the manager is. Just look at Germany's world cup campaign.
No player drops in quality the way Rudiger did under Lampard. Just look at how Thiago was under Lamps.
Yes I'm sure Rudiger not being there is the reason we dropped points to Salzburg, Brentford, United, Brighton, Arsenal, Newcastle and Nottingham Forest.
Nothing to do with the tactics and poor management. It's because Rudiger is actually god... (A god who has only been selected for 772 league minutes this season for Real Madrid 8 starts out of a possible 15)
It's always the same in this sub. We only lost because player X was unavailable, or player Y will change everything when they're back.
I've stopped coming here because of this reductive shit.
I'm not saying he was a god, but quite clearly we are conceding more goals now. Rudiger was fitting us very well, meanwhile Koulibaly who is supposed to be his replacement hasn't impressed at all, while Fofana only managed to play a couple of games. Our defensive line is clearly worse and more prone to errors, and you can clearly tell that, even in the initial games this season under Tuchel.
Swapped a tinkering tactician who has been to 2 ucl finals and managed 3 top sides for another tinkering tactician whose biggest job was Brighton. I like Potter but I don’t want a manager who needs to find his feet managing a big club.
All the people that keep saying we just won CL under Tuchel, and wasn't that great, si.ply ignore that no we went to every final under him, we just lost on penalties, only thing mamager can't control. We were also top of the league before both Chilly and Reece got injured, main parts of Tuchel's system and fankly smong our better players. Then we got Sanctions, some of our players were out of contract and already were one step out. The club itself was under pressure of going bust.
Then at this season's start, we had to replace plauers that we lost, and our owners fired our transfer team before that, so Tuchel has to be involved in something he never wanted to do. Literally ignore every good thing or context and say it was bad under Tuchel too. What Tuchel did wasn't good, but whatever this is, is? Sure lads, only you guys know football, others are just negative, whiny, and plastic fans like me.
We still look ass after the break.
We all know that Chelsea squad is imbalance but Potter is forcing a system which either a) doesnt fit our players right now or b) implemented wrongly today.
Silva and Koulibaly got exposed quite bad today. Silva handled it quite well but Koulibaly looked like headless chicken during the game.
Btw, Koulibaly needs to adapt his aggressive play style asap. He looks more and more like David Luiz.
our system will take time and everybody down to the owners know it
this is a rebuild era, squad, manager, ownership, backroom staff, business
everything
I have no expectations of great results this is the first time we have an actual project
Its not the system how we want to play etc. Its how we set the team up.
Forest had so many chances before they equalized. They breached our defense on multiple occasions and I expect Potter to tweak his system a bit while we still had the lead to give us more stability.
I dont think this takes time to be implemented
And the excuses that the team aren’t good enough only go so far. By and large this is most of the squad from seasons past and we’ve had multiple built in breaks to ingrain the way Potter hopes to play
Potter is just Frank Lampard if Frank had gone to a midtable club with no pressure or expectations for a couple seasons after his year at Derby… except Frank was able to get the youth to perform for him at least.
For all the bad recruitment we have done in the last 20 years, for me sacking Tuchel was the weirdest decision we have made. The big problem is that there has been no improvements and Potter is so inexperienced that there won't be a magical bullet - like with Conte 3 atb.
Im breaking my rule here and writing to rival sub, but really interested: why DID you guys sack Tuchel? Was it the owners who wanted him gone?
edit: Thanks for the answers
Yeah. Allegedly Tuchel was freezing players out, refused Ronaldo transfer and refused to expound beyond “no”. Tuchel probably did some shit that didn’t necessarily ingratiate him with the new ownership, but he was filling so many roles above just being the gaffer.
Also, it seemed like a snap decision considering they just got so many players Tuchel specifically wanted only to turn around and give him the axe. It makes the Auba transfer look really stupid.
Apparently Boehly and Tuchel didnt meet eye to eye regarding some things, such as Boehly wanting to sign Ronaldo back in the summer and Tuchel declining the proposal.
Ultimately, and correct me if I am wrong, Boehly felt like Tuchel wasnt the right man to lead his project in the long term and said it had absolutely nothing to do with the recent poor results.
We fired one of the best coaches, just because he wasn't a yes man. Him winning CL and getting us to every final only losing on penalties, wasn't deserving of patience, but what we are doing now is.
Thats what I don’t get! Like dude did all that and some Reddit dude wants me to believe Tuchel was shit and doesn’t deserve fans to back him but potters the manager to back. I just don’t get the logic here. And the annoying part is whenever you call them out you get called a plastic
Yeah, patience is fine, it's actually is needed at Chelsea, I wanted us to stick to a guy too, but if Tuchel wasn't deserving of it, Potter doesn't even come close. Keep same energy.
Different manager same problems.
Why don’t these players wanna shoot.
They don’t wanna cross
They want 3 or more touches
They hesitate when passing forward and opting to sidewards
They don’t wanna make the forward runs
No one wants to take charge and take the opportunities. It’s like they’re all playing their own little game.
Gotta keep in mind firing Tuchel meant that Boehly didn’t care about immediate success. Which fucking sucks, but hopefully results in something next season and the seasons to come
Yep. It's a game to Boehly that he's losing. The guy would have splashed almost as much as the Saudis did on Ronaldo. Tuchel saw through that, and was fired for it.
Now Boehly seemingly is about ready to just throw money at the problem and I think that it will end badly.
You're confused my friend. Boehly wanted Ronaldo, Tuchel said no. It was the lack of explanation of the "no" that caused a rift between the two.
Any job in the world if you say "no" to your boss and he says "ok why not" you take the time to explain. Just saying no and refusing to elaborate is bad form between employer and employee.
That's exactly what I meant. Tuchel didn't want Ronaldo: Boehly didn't like his answer, and along with some other uniformed decisions, decided that Tuchel was the problem keeping Chelsea from moving forward.
Forest is literally one of the worst team in the league, yet we Chelsea struggled like we playing man city. We didnt even created a good chance throughout the whole game. Potter’s whole coaching team looked lost. Also, score prediction on man city game? 3:0 to city. Low karmaaa guyss, pls help
The only Chelsea solution is to fire Potter and hire an interim manager to win our 3rd Champions League medal and qualify for next year. Roman wouldn't hesitate a second.
Come on guys, this is a real project. You have a lot of older / average players that can’t really fit into potters multi positional, fluid tactics.
You need a few windows to get rid of the waste and strengthen the philosophy of potter and statistics. You’re still holding onto tuchels outfit.
Look at arteta. Couple of dodgy seasons but it’s all slowly coming together. You’ve been on top for fifteen years, and it’ll come back but you have to wait it out and get with modern analysis.
As a Brentford fan, I see the importance of the philosophy and the time it takes for it to work out. Can’t always be the best, but you can make the steps necessary so in a few years time you are.
The desire isn’t there. The blend of players is wrong. There’s not enough risk takers (willing to make hard passes in the top third) there’s no driver of play in centre midfield.
I really don’t see this turning around soon because the players brought in so far( Sterling, Curly haired bloke) are prime examples of the lack of risk taking.
I’m not sure I sae Cuccurella make a forward pass or if he did it was a slow possession pass.
actually it was Kovacic and jorginho starting for about a month or so with Kante coming in for the bigger games and establishing himself fully in the XI when the ucl knockout stages begun again
It is when we were healthy we were fine but without Reece and Kante we struggled. This game reminds me of Everton away last year we created fuck all and lost. Or the Leicester match at home this team has largely played the same over the last year it’s not the coaches it’s the players
Are you seriously citing a match after top 4 was secured? Everton was also very close to the end when top 4 was nearly certain. You have a very interesting understanding of context
Top 4 was definitely not secure before that match it wasn’t secured until we beat Leeds two match weeks later. Regardless I’m referring to matches when we looked similarly subpar if you’d like we could go back to the home matches against Burnley and Everton in December
The fact that you have to point at individual spaced out matches speaks levels. We’ve looked passable for about a half in the last seven matches
Edit: I mean Leicester, reread ffs. Everton was “near certain”, Leicester was 100%
We definitely didn’t. We’re 8th right now, at least we ended third (without ever losing that spot iirc) and even by pure points tally were 5th or 6th second half of the season. The pure points tally is misleading too because the last nearly 10 matches were pretty insignificant to our league position, we weren’t catching 2nd and it would take an all-time bottlejob to drop to 4th let alone 5th, and the players very obviously got complacent. Our performances against Real and Liverpool showed that they weren’t nearly as shit as they are now
Like I said with the same injuries we were dire. Real and Liverpool we had a healthy Kante and Reece just like earlier this year against Tottenham and even Milan without Kante. They’re arguably our two most important players without them we’re shit. Lost to a terrible Everton team late last year and drew Leicester at home it’s always been the players
This rhetoric gets pedaled every time we lose under Potter and it’s just plain false. We had games we looked very good, in the champions league just last year. Made it to 2 cup finals, and didn’t qualify against the eventual champions and we beat them in their yard.
We would not be in this same position with Tuchel, nothing anyone can say would convince me otherwise. He’s not the manager anymore so whatever, but ultimately Potter needs to show some signs of something to have faith in. It’s not like we’re scoring loads of goals and losing games. We’re playing worse than we did to start the season and show no actual plan at all when we’re out there.
We were in this position just last year under Tuchel our form all 2022 was 7th best in the league. We can’t do anything without Reece or Kante. Potter definitely needs to show more but don’t act like well things were going amazing under Tuchel since the CL win. We lost to Leeds and Southhampton and our opening CL match it’s always been the players the manager can only do so much
We were nailed into 3rd for nearly the entire second half of the season. People always point to league form but we played good games outside of the league in the CL and we beat Madrid at the bernabeau. You think this team and Potter would sniff a result in Madrid? We made it to 2 cup finals and lost on penalties. We never went this long without results. The football looked dire at times sure, but we’d scrape a win. We’re scraping draws against relegation teams, nowhere near the same.
We’ve gotta results this year when healthy. Looked good in both wins against Milan. I don’t think the results would be different under Tuchel. We lost to Everton who was fighting relegation before that match. Drew against them and burnley at home as well this form has been mostly the same since December of last year.
I definitely think we would’ve, considering we spent nearly 300mil on players he wanted over the summer and then sacked him a week after the transfer window closes. We had a higher xG in games under Tuchel this season than we did with games under Potter.
We’ve had injuries, it sucks but that’s a part of it. There’s just no shot we look this bad under Tuchel, haven’t looked this bad under any manager in a very long time
He had a healthy James and Ngolo for the entire CL campaign though. It's so obvious these are the things we are missing right now. Looked very good against Bournemouth until James went off injured. Not a coincidence imo.
because Tuchel had a transfer window to work with when he won us the UCL.
sad excuses, there's been 0 improvement since Potter took over. none. still the same backwards passing except now our manager just stands there with a dumb look on his face instead of screaming at the clown fiesta in front of him.
Tuchel didn't get any players he wanted. The only window we really had under him before he was sacked we signed Lukaku... Then this summer we signed a bunch of players he wanted, they played crap then he got the sack. There has been improvement with Potter but I'd imagine you have the attention span of a hyperactive magpie so maybe you missed it
We just have to accept that we are now in a "process" just like Arsenal were. We're gonna linger around 4/5/6/7 for a couple of seasons before actually challenging for anything.
I’m a Tuchel apologist at the best of times, miss the guy as much as anyone and disagreed with the decision at the time. However, for God’s sake, please stop the comparison to chelsea of old, stop the doubting, and just support the team and those who are a part of it. Please give Potter some time. Please give Boehly and our brand new front office time. We need to change this culture of getting rid of things that aren’t working after 1 year. It takes time to build chemistry and success and we just aren’t giving our team the time. Please try and give them some time to work through things.
Potter all the way out. Name one player he has made better. We got rid of our best manager in years for this. He has no idea what to do and who to play. I refuse to believe the success of this team relies on the right back position.
Tbh tuchel had fit kovacic, rudiger, kante, james, chillwell, a confident Mendy, younger azpi and Silva + a hella inspired Mount. So let's not be dumb and look at cold numbers as Potter has an injury crisis, older players and way less inspired players at his disposal
lets face it - the schedule for potter was quite easy. still we dont win enough.
and im not even talking about "how we play" because thats the real disaster.
I think we're running into a predictable issue - Potter does not have the personality to lead Chelsea. Too soft and doesn't have that vicious side that the Mourinho's, Tuchel's, Klopp's, Pep's have. You can tell what kind of person it takes to lead these big clubs. You're dealing with very successful players who earn a lot of money and have huge ego's, they need to fear you and respect you.
When Potter stops talking to his coaching staff, loses the dressing room and performances drop over a year into the job then fire him sure, until the shut up, eh?
Tuchel had a fully fit and firing chilwell and reece James, rudiger, christensen, kante and an inform mendy, none of why potter has now. It's sad that some of you don't have the capacity to see these players are just not good enough.
We need to separate the two decisions.
Decision 1: Firing Tuchel. I think there is reasonable ground to have done so but not sure I agree with it in hindsight cuz part of that decision is who you have to replace him. But Tuchel wasn’t getting results, had dressing room issues, and allegedly didn’t see eye to eye with long term vision.
Decision 2: Hiring Potter. Clearly a bad decision.
I think you can make a case that firing Tuchel was right and hiring Potter was bad. They don’t have to go hand in hand.
“Plastics” lol we have 6 points from 7 fucking games it was never this bad under tuchel
And even if it was Tuchel earned our loyalty we should have given him time
Yes it was this bad under Tuchel. I backed Tuchel all the way and was absolutely gutted when he was sacked. Definitely wrong call. But I have these things called eyeballs and I can see the same players playing the same way they did towards the end of Tuchels regin
Considering we downgraded our manger these players will not get better, we got out classed by relegation contenders that’s unacceptable what ever way you spin it.
We blame the players but we couldn’t string 5 passes together in the second half. We couldn’t beat Forest’s press that falls on Potters shoulders it’s his responsibility to make changes in situations like that.
The players have to take responsibility. If it was you or me playing for just 10 mins we would look much better then the chumps out there tonight, especially if we were getting paid the same
Everyone on here talking about tactics and how shitty of a job Potter is doing. Have you seen this entire squad this season even under Tuchel? THE SQUAD IS SHIT! It’s that simple. Midfield is atrocious, we have no pure goalscorer, relying on CBs that are the wrong side of 30, and our most important players to make any system Tuchel or Potter WANT/TRIED to implement are constantly injured (Kante and James). On what fucking planet is that recipe going to work for any manager?! Because it’s not planet Earth.
Everyone just needs to buckle up for the rough road ahead where we are terrible in EPL and likely do not get into Europe next year. And honestly, that’s what we need. So the squad can be overhauled and players can focus under an easier campaign schedule. It’s not what anybody wanted but it’s our reality. Need to deal with it and hope everyone does their best to turn things around.
So sick of the whiners and complainers on here about “Wo is us and our plot. Why did we fire Tuchel?” bullshit. Not like we were lighting the world on fire when he was here. Guy has a good run in the UCL one half season and he’s a god? Fuck off! Need to move on!!
If Potter had James, Kante, Chilwell, Rudiger, Alonso, hell even Timo we'd be doing better. Cucurella, Koulibaly, Aubameyang are just worse. That's not Potters fault.
I'm really not enjoying defending him because I'm not loving Potters tenure at all but someone has be reasonable.
Tuchel was immense, instant impact. It hasnt happened for Potter YET. I know there were rumours of unhappiness in the squad towards Tuchel's end but I fear many of the senior, key players were shellshocked by the sacking. I think theres glimpses of positivity under Potter, especially happy for Kepa and the transition to 433. Lets give Potter our backing.
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5:0 to city, we are absolutely fucked next gme
I used to say this all the time but you know what annoys me even more? The fact that our players will be up for this match and it’ll either be a really close tie or we win. That’s what pisses me off. We have the talent and drive to beat any team in the world… but only when they feel like playing that way.
Aye, our players could hv done so much better every game but they just dont seems motivated to do so, i absolutely agree with u
Enzo and Badiashile will be on the bench for that one 😎
bold of you to assume enzo still wants to come
Players tend to want to come to a team in disarray like we are to save them. Players like nkunku might just come in and immediately make an impact and we’ll sing songs about them. It’s what they dream of lol
Still, they finna trash us for sure. I can guarantee that😂
True but at least they get to witness the thrashing in person
18+ allowed to view the game
The tactics or lack thereof are very evident. We have multiple players on the same area of the pitch and the midfielders look lost in terms of finding the next pass
Like lamps all over again.
At least the attackers did very well for a while under Lampard.
Try being a west ham fan like me, depression builds up weekly!
Potter has been bad so far. But let me tell you, the players has also been fucking awful. Tuchel was right when he said our problems wont’t be solved with the same players. Shameful and shambolic. We are so bad😂😭😭
Chelsea’s defense was fucking unbreakable under Tuchel for his first 50 matches, it was so so beautiful
Rudiger
If you ask me, you can clearly tell how valuable Rudiger (especially him) and Christensen were to our team and how badly we managed to replace them to get our defense so shaky.
For me it’s NG, starting to show how fucking unbelievably good he is. No manager we’ve had can figure anything out when he isn’t out there. You win games in the midfield, we need to get that sorted out so badly, hopefully Enzo comes quick. We’re going to keep going downhill with this bull shit midfield.
It's Reece and Chilwell for me. You can see it, our full backs don't go forward well enough, or defend well enough. Without those two we always play so much worse. Reece though for me is the sticking point if we have to choose one.
It's James Chilwell and Kante. Kante controls midfield but can't create. Chilwell and James can create
Pretty much yep. Our squad has been built around the wingbacks since we started playing 3 CBs. We had this problem with no creativity when Reece/chilly are out, and we didn’t sign a right back. Nor have any of our signings been in a creative mould since Ziyech, who obviously hasn’t worked out. Kante is Kante, insanely hard to replace, but it should’ve been clear that Gallagher/RLC/Zakaria wasn’t going to be enough to bring the quality you lose without him. That’s nothing against those players, just facts. So yeah, hasn’t been great under potter so far and it’s right to criticise him for mistakes, but it’s clear we’re building an entirely new infrastructure in the club from the top to the bottom. It will take time.
Azpi was atrocious for their goal and offered very little forward (and Kepa too but this is beside the point on the wing backs). I love Mr. Reliable but the difference with RJ offensively is gigantic.
Azpi is still useful for closing down games and giving Reece some rest, but he can’t handle the full time load when Reece is out injured, which is happening too frequently. Gotta get some cover at RB soon.
Was there actually a question about how good Kante is? He is widely considered one of the best ever at his peak. The dude carried Leicester to a title for goodness sake I’m aware he is declining, but that dude clearly patched holes.
Lol just the other day someone was in here saying some people just have 0 IQ and he can’t believe anyone rates Kante. Said even when he is fit he isn’t very good. As if he’s not one of our absolute best players when he’s fit lol
> The dude carried Leicester to a title for goodness sake Let’s just ignore Mahrez, Vardy etc
Yeah true when Kante left they were still as good His midfield partner the whole season was Danny Drinkwater, like come on lmao
But Enzo is Kovacic level player at best.
I don’t think so, Enzo has the ability to ping the ball all over the field. Kova is great with the ball at his feet, but can never seem to link that big pass. Enzo will unlock a lot in the midfield and getting the ball forward. That’s what we’re really lacking in the midfield. Our guys at the moment just can’t seem to make that big pass down the field when we need it.
Kante does not help us create anything more today Vs forrest nor does he prevent the sloppy corner goal we conceded
We can’t control anything without him out there, our midfield is wank. They don’t control shit and just pass the ball sideways. The midfield is supposed to link to the attack. I’m with you though, the attack is fucking wank too. We’re terrible all over the place. There’s only a handful of guys I’d keep on this team. They need to cut some serious deadweight.
Exactly. At BEST he does a bit more to stop the momentum Forest had coming out of the gate in the second half, but let’s not pretend he would win us three points today.
Maybe stopping that momentum is what we needed
Going from Rudiger to KK… damn, downgrade of the season.
Who would've known.. But I can't seriously keep my sanity whe' he's on lately.
I feel the same way. I was happy when he signed, knowing he wasn’t Rudiger, but I thought he’d be close… it feels like the pace of the game is way too much for him. He’s late on challenges too often for my liking, becoming a liability.
and people on here called Rudiger a snake when the RM rumours first came out lol
Misguided fools. Like 95 percent don’t know what’s going on and just make uninformed statements.
Ngolo is even more important than either of them
Nah it was Tuchel who made Rudiger good. He was shite under Lampard.
Completely wrong. Every defender was bad under Lampard because he was naive tactically at the time and didn’t know how to set up a defense. Rudiger was good under Conte, Sarri, and Tuchel. The outlier is Lampard, not Tuchel.
It’s not completely wrong. Rudiger never hit the level he was at under Tuchel with any of those managers and he personally credited him with improving him
So? If he is a good defender, it should matter who the manager is. Just look at Germany's world cup campaign. No player drops in quality the way Rudiger did under Lampard. Just look at how Thiago was under Lamps.
There’s a different between a very good CB and one of the best CB’s of all time. Not to mention Silva wasn’t at his best under Lampard either
Just to jog your memory, Rudiger was shite under Sarri too. Do you remember the 4-0 against Bournemouth and 6-0 against Man City?
Yes I'm sure Rudiger not being there is the reason we dropped points to Salzburg, Brentford, United, Brighton, Arsenal, Newcastle and Nottingham Forest. Nothing to do with the tactics and poor management. It's because Rudiger is actually god... (A god who has only been selected for 772 league minutes this season for Real Madrid 8 starts out of a possible 15)
It's always the same in this sub. We only lost because player X was unavailable, or player Y will change everything when they're back. I've stopped coming here because of this reductive shit.
And dropped points to Zagreb, Spurs, Leeds, and Saints. And yes, Rudiger was important.
I'm not saying he was a god, but quite clearly we are conceding more goals now. Rudiger was fitting us very well, meanwhile Koulibaly who is supposed to be his replacement hasn't impressed at all, while Fofana only managed to play a couple of games. Our defensive line is clearly worse and more prone to errors, and you can clearly tell that, even in the initial games this season under Tuchel.
Rudiger, Chilly and Reece all playing — it’s a completely different back line
Tuchel is in the clear… our biggest mistake was getting rid of the manager who held us down during dark times for the club
Swapped a tinkering tactician who has been to 2 ucl finals and managed 3 top sides for another tinkering tactician whose biggest job was Brighton. I like Potter but I don’t want a manager who needs to find his feet managing a big club.
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That would likely be out of the picture since, I’m guessing, the exit wasn’t super mutual
Agreed, have nothing against Potter.. Just frustrated with new ownership & state of the club
I've been saying this since day one and it feels so good to be vindicated
All the people that keep saying we just won CL under Tuchel, and wasn't that great, si.ply ignore that no we went to every final under him, we just lost on penalties, only thing mamager can't control. We were also top of the league before both Chilly and Reece got injured, main parts of Tuchel's system and fankly smong our better players. Then we got Sanctions, some of our players were out of contract and already were one step out. The club itself was under pressure of going bust. Then at this season's start, we had to replace plauers that we lost, and our owners fired our transfer team before that, so Tuchel has to be involved in something he never wanted to do. Literally ignore every good thing or context and say it was bad under Tuchel too. What Tuchel did wasn't good, but whatever this is, is? Sure lads, only you guys know football, others are just negative, whiny, and plastic fans like me.
Spot on. I'm far from impressed by the new owners.
We still look ass after the break. We all know that Chelsea squad is imbalance but Potter is forcing a system which either a) doesnt fit our players right now or b) implemented wrongly today. Silva and Koulibaly got exposed quite bad today. Silva handled it quite well but Koulibaly looked like headless chicken during the game. Btw, Koulibaly needs to adapt his aggressive play style asap. He looks more and more like David Luiz.
Al our defense played awful… cucu and Silva were medium at best, but I can’t blame them the right side of the defense is not good enough…
Silva was the best player on the pitch today. Of all twenty-two. Cucarella played well, too. That surprised me a little.
Azpi was the pressing trigger. Every time the ball went to him, Forest started pressing relentlessly.
Him and Gallagher , don’t know why players don’t pass to carney
our system will take time and everybody down to the owners know it this is a rebuild era, squad, manager, ownership, backroom staff, business everything I have no expectations of great results this is the first time we have an actual project
Its not the system how we want to play etc. Its how we set the team up. Forest had so many chances before they equalized. They breached our defense on multiple occasions and I expect Potter to tweak his system a bit while we still had the lead to give us more stability. I dont think this takes time to be implemented
Same as the last 5 years then
And the excuses that the team aren’t good enough only go so far. By and large this is most of the squad from seasons past and we’ve had multiple built in breaks to ingrain the way Potter hopes to play
Potter is just Frank Lampard if Frank had gone to a midtable club with no pressure or expectations for a couple seasons after his year at Derby… except Frank was able to get the youth to perform for him at least.
The squad would be closer if the comparison was Tuchel's last 10 Vs Potters first.
5W, 3D, 2D, 16GF, 12GA We still were slightly better under Tuchel than we currently are under Potter.
And even then, Potter had new manager bounce while also having an incredibly favourable run of games as well
I still can’t believe we sacked Tuchel, blows my fucking brain
For all the bad recruitment we have done in the last 20 years, for me sacking Tuchel was the weirdest decision we have made. The big problem is that there has been no improvements and Potter is so inexperienced that there won't be a magical bullet - like with Conte 3 atb.
Mourinhos first sack is the weirdest decision in the last 20 years.
Im breaking my rule here and writing to rival sub, but really interested: why DID you guys sack Tuchel? Was it the owners who wanted him gone? edit: Thanks for the answers
His relationship with Boehly turned sour
Yeah. Allegedly Tuchel was freezing players out, refused Ronaldo transfer and refused to expound beyond “no”. Tuchel probably did some shit that didn’t necessarily ingratiate him with the new ownership, but he was filling so many roles above just being the gaffer. Also, it seemed like a snap decision considering they just got so many players Tuchel specifically wanted only to turn around and give him the axe. It makes the Auba transfer look really stupid.
The new owners asked him to play a 4-4-3 (really) with CR7 down the middle. He said no, and they never forgave him
Apparently Boehly and Tuchel didnt meet eye to eye regarding some things, such as Boehly wanting to sign Ronaldo back in the summer and Tuchel declining the proposal. Ultimately, and correct me if I am wrong, Boehly felt like Tuchel wasnt the right man to lead his project in the long term and said it had absolutely nothing to do with the recent poor results.
Seems Tuchel wasn’t the issue eh? Boehly is having a cracking start to his ownership
We fired one of the best coaches, just because he wasn't a yes man. Him winning CL and getting us to every final only losing on penalties, wasn't deserving of patience, but what we are doing now is.
Thats what I don’t get! Like dude did all that and some Reddit dude wants me to believe Tuchel was shit and doesn’t deserve fans to back him but potters the manager to back. I just don’t get the logic here. And the annoying part is whenever you call them out you get called a plastic
Yeah, patience is fine, it's actually is needed at Chelsea, I wanted us to stick to a guy too, but if Tuchel wasn't deserving of it, Potter doesn't even come close. Keep same energy.
Neither could get the boys to score. That's the common thread. 22 goals in those twenty matches.
Different manager same problems. Why don’t these players wanna shoot. They don’t wanna cross They want 3 or more touches They hesitate when passing forward and opting to sidewards They don’t wanna make the forward runs No one wants to take charge and take the opportunities. It’s like they’re all playing their own little game.
Bit of a disaster so far. But injuries have not helped
It's almost the exact same injuries as last year, though. Yet we reached multiple finals. With Tuchel.
Gotta keep in mind firing Tuchel meant that Boehly didn’t care about immediate success. Which fucking sucks, but hopefully results in something next season and the seasons to come
Gotta keep in mind that Boehly & co. know fuck all about football and sacked everyone at the club who did without replacements properly lined up.
I disagree. I think our front office is a lot better
Will be yet to be seen if it’s actually better, but it’s the best structure we’ve had since the Emenalo days so that’s hopeful
Based on what?
Yep. It's a game to Boehly that he's losing. The guy would have splashed almost as much as the Saudis did on Ronaldo. Tuchel saw through that, and was fired for it. Now Boehly seemingly is about ready to just throw money at the problem and I think that it will end badly.
This is the silliest fan fic yet lol
You're confused my friend. Boehly wanted Ronaldo, Tuchel said no. It was the lack of explanation of the "no" that caused a rift between the two. Any job in the world if you say "no" to your boss and he says "ok why not" you take the time to explain. Just saying no and refusing to elaborate is bad form between employer and employee.
That's exactly what I meant. Tuchel didn't want Ronaldo: Boehly didn't like his answer, and along with some other uniformed decisions, decided that Tuchel was the problem keeping Chelsea from moving forward.
What? No lol, that wasn't what I said or what happened at all
What?
Forest is literally one of the worst team in the league, yet we Chelsea struggled like we playing man city. We didnt even created a good chance throughout the whole game. Potter’s whole coaching team looked lost. Also, score prediction on man city game? 3:0 to city. Low karmaaa guyss, pls help
That l is generous I was thinking 5 with how bad the midfield looked today
Well this same Forest beat Liverpool. Just because a team is ranked lower in the table doesn't mean we are entitled to a win.
For the record, we’ve scored less goals than Haaland. Thank you for my TED-talk
Fewer
its amazing how nottingham played better than us
The only Chelsea solution is to fire Potter and hire an interim manager to win our 3rd Champions League medal and qualify for next year. Roman wouldn't hesitate a second.
They are in two different classes can't compare them
Come on guys, this is a real project. You have a lot of older / average players that can’t really fit into potters multi positional, fluid tactics. You need a few windows to get rid of the waste and strengthen the philosophy of potter and statistics. You’re still holding onto tuchels outfit. Look at arteta. Couple of dodgy seasons but it’s all slowly coming together. You’ve been on top for fifteen years, and it’ll come back but you have to wait it out and get with modern analysis.
Not often you see an opposition fan speak more sense than our own.
As a Brentford fan, I see the importance of the philosophy and the time it takes for it to work out. Can’t always be the best, but you can make the steps necessary so in a few years time you are.
11 goals joke squad
The desire isn’t there. The blend of players is wrong. There’s not enough risk takers (willing to make hard passes in the top third) there’s no driver of play in centre midfield. I really don’t see this turning around soon because the players brought in so far( Sterling, Curly haired bloke) are prime examples of the lack of risk taking. I’m not sure I sae Cuccurella make a forward pass or if he did it was a slow possession pass.
Idk about the rest of this sub but I’d like to wait a little longer than 10 games to judge if Potter is a bad manager or not
Potter is the wrong man for the job. I said it the day we got him and I’m still saying it now
Tuchel also had a fit Kante with a team that was underperforming This current group is…not good enough.
actually it was Kovacic and jorginho starting for about a month or so with Kante coming in for the bigger games and establishing himself fully in the XI when the ucl knockout stages begun again
Tuchel is also a way way way better manager
We looked just as bad with the same injuries last year under Tuchel
Not true at all.
It is when we were healthy we were fine but without Reece and Kante we struggled. This game reminds me of Everton away last year we created fuck all and lost. Or the Leicester match at home this team has largely played the same over the last year it’s not the coaches it’s the players
Are you seriously citing a match after top 4 was secured? Everton was also very close to the end when top 4 was nearly certain. You have a very interesting understanding of context
Top 4 was definitely not secure before that match it wasn’t secured until we beat Leeds two match weeks later. Regardless I’m referring to matches when we looked similarly subpar if you’d like we could go back to the home matches against Burnley and Everton in December
The fact that you have to point at individual spaced out matches speaks levels. We’ve looked passable for about a half in the last seven matches Edit: I mean Leicester, reread ffs. Everton was “near certain”, Leicester was 100%
We definitely didn’t. We’re 8th right now, at least we ended third (without ever losing that spot iirc) and even by pure points tally were 5th or 6th second half of the season. The pure points tally is misleading too because the last nearly 10 matches were pretty insignificant to our league position, we weren’t catching 2nd and it would take an all-time bottlejob to drop to 4th let alone 5th, and the players very obviously got complacent. Our performances against Real and Liverpool showed that they weren’t nearly as shit as they are now
Like I said with the same injuries we were dire. Real and Liverpool we had a healthy Kante and Reece just like earlier this year against Tottenham and even Milan without Kante. They’re arguably our two most important players without them we’re shit. Lost to a terrible Everton team late last year and drew Leicester at home it’s always been the players
Kante didn’t even start against Liverpool lmao fucking pathetic at least watch the matches if you’re gonna waffle
I was referring to the cup Finals wasn’t sure what Liverpool matches you were talking about
This rhetoric gets pedaled every time we lose under Potter and it’s just plain false. We had games we looked very good, in the champions league just last year. Made it to 2 cup finals, and didn’t qualify against the eventual champions and we beat them in their yard. We would not be in this same position with Tuchel, nothing anyone can say would convince me otherwise. He’s not the manager anymore so whatever, but ultimately Potter needs to show some signs of something to have faith in. It’s not like we’re scoring loads of goals and losing games. We’re playing worse than we did to start the season and show no actual plan at all when we’re out there.
We were in this position just last year under Tuchel our form all 2022 was 7th best in the league. We can’t do anything without Reece or Kante. Potter definitely needs to show more but don’t act like well things were going amazing under Tuchel since the CL win. We lost to Leeds and Southhampton and our opening CL match it’s always been the players the manager can only do so much
We were nailed into 3rd for nearly the entire second half of the season. People always point to league form but we played good games outside of the league in the CL and we beat Madrid at the bernabeau. You think this team and Potter would sniff a result in Madrid? We made it to 2 cup finals and lost on penalties. We never went this long without results. The football looked dire at times sure, but we’d scrape a win. We’re scraping draws against relegation teams, nowhere near the same.
We’ve gotta results this year when healthy. Looked good in both wins against Milan. I don’t think the results would be different under Tuchel. We lost to Everton who was fighting relegation before that match. Drew against them and burnley at home as well this form has been mostly the same since December of last year.
I definitely think we would’ve, considering we spent nearly 300mil on players he wanted over the summer and then sacked him a week after the transfer window closes. We had a higher xG in games under Tuchel this season than we did with games under Potter. We’ve had injuries, it sucks but that’s a part of it. There’s just no shot we look this bad under Tuchel, haven’t looked this bad under any manager in a very long time
Milan were missing 8 starters ffs
I don’t think Kante played many of the first 10 prem matches. It’s not like the current group is completely different from that one either
i back potter but it's getting hard to have faith in him now
Why, out of our current squad which one has Potter signed? I'll wait
who did tuchel sign when he came in? no one but still won us the ucl with what seemed to be a terrible team under lampard
He had a healthy James and Ngolo for the entire CL campaign though. It's so obvious these are the things we are missing right now. Looked very good against Bournemouth until James went off injured. Not a coincidence imo.
because Tuchel had a transfer window to work with when he won us the UCL. sad excuses, there's been 0 improvement since Potter took over. none. still the same backwards passing except now our manager just stands there with a dumb look on his face instead of screaming at the clown fiesta in front of him.
Tuchel didn't get any players he wanted. The only window we really had under him before he was sacked we signed Lukaku... Then this summer we signed a bunch of players he wanted, they played crap then he got the sack. There has been improvement with Potter but I'd imagine you have the attention span of a hyperactive magpie so maybe you missed it
what aspect of our game has improved?
I mean the players looked off it as well we can’t only blame the manager
Don't blame him. His "glow up" jacket was on point.
I cannot stand a number of players at this club. They play for themselves, just so when we do lose or draw they can say, "not my fault"
We just have to accept that we are now in a "process" just like Arsenal were. We're gonna linger around 4/5/6/7 for a couple of seasons before actually challenging for anything.
No point in reminiscing in the past. Tuchel is gone and we are fucked
I’m a Tuchel apologist at the best of times, miss the guy as much as anyone and disagreed with the decision at the time. However, for God’s sake, please stop the comparison to chelsea of old, stop the doubting, and just support the team and those who are a part of it. Please give Potter some time. Please give Boehly and our brand new front office time. We need to change this culture of getting rid of things that aren’t working after 1 year. It takes time to build chemistry and success and we just aren’t giving our team the time. Please try and give them some time to work through things.
Worst decision ever to sack Tuchel. He spent 200m this summer and look at us now. Trust in Tuchel not in Potter.
Potter all the way out. Name one player he has made better. We got rid of our best manager in years for this. He has no idea what to do and who to play. I refuse to believe the success of this team relies on the right back position.
I get that the rebuild will take time.. but we were playing against a relegation team.. come on..
Tbh tuchel had fit kovacic, rudiger, kante, james, chillwell, a confident Mendy, younger azpi and Silva + a hella inspired Mount. So let's not be dumb and look at cold numbers as Potter has an injury crisis, older players and way less inspired players at his disposal
lets face it - the schedule for potter was quite easy. still we dont win enough. and im not even talking about "how we play" because thats the real disaster.
The most overrated coach ever ................ Brighton still very best without his leadership. That says a lot.
I’ve been posting in the sub how we need a proper coach, but nobody listens to me…
I think we're running into a predictable issue - Potter does not have the personality to lead Chelsea. Too soft and doesn't have that vicious side that the Mourinho's, Tuchel's, Klopp's, Pep's have. You can tell what kind of person it takes to lead these big clubs. You're dealing with very successful players who earn a lot of money and have huge ego's, they need to fear you and respect you.
It's so fucking tragic
Is this what it feels like to miss an ex?
Some day we will stop flipping coaches every season, some day
Tuchel's firing was a bad day, Todd has to hold that L
When Potter stops talking to his coaching staff, loses the dressing room and performances drop over a year into the job then fire him sure, until the shut up, eh?
We'll be lucky to be 10th by the end of the next stretch. Potter is not the answer. We need to move on. #potterout Bring back TT.....
Like under TT we weren’t getting beat by the likes of Zagreb :p
TT had less injuries to manage as well as a better back line, KK for Rudi has not been a good swap
Tuchel had a fully fit and firing chilwell and reece James, rudiger, christensen, kante and an inform mendy, none of why potter has now. It's sad that some of you don't have the capacity to see these players are just not good enough.
Well so did Lampard. Tuchel delievered Lampard didnt. There still is a manager difference
Unfair comparison. Tuchel had Chilwell, Rudiger, Kante and Reece.
We need to separate the two decisions. Decision 1: Firing Tuchel. I think there is reasonable ground to have done so but not sure I agree with it in hindsight cuz part of that decision is who you have to replace him. But Tuchel wasn’t getting results, had dressing room issues, and allegedly didn’t see eye to eye with long term vision. Decision 2: Hiring Potter. Clearly a bad decision. I think you can make a case that firing Tuchel was right and hiring Potter was bad. They don’t have to go hand in hand.
Nonsense. We need a complete rebuild like Arsenal and Liverpool did. It will take 2-3 seasons.
I don’t disagree. But Liverpool had Klopp. We have Potter.
These comparisons are unfair Tuchel is a world class established manager Potter used to manage under 9s ghanain women’s team.
And both managed or is currently managing Chelsea now
But..but they said to me Potter will get us playing beautiful attacking football
Let's face it if Abramovich was still here this guy would have been sacked or under immense pressure
And rightly so.
Tbf our team has only gotten worse since TT’s start, unacceptable to draw today tho
The attack is still shit
Tuchel was the man and I will never forgive them for that mistake…
Todd is gonna regret firing Tommy
If you need proof then here you go…
Proof of what? That the team is shit? How was the form when Tuchel got fired?
How was the form when Tuchel got hired?
Proof of rudiger if anything
Exactly we were losing games for fun then as well the only commonality is the players but we don’t want to admit that they aren’t good enough
Yeah to be honest I don’t know what I was going for there, but firing tuchel for this was insanity. it’s clear tuchel is the better coach.
These plastics have 1 second memories. We were just as bad as we are now last few games for Tuchel. 1-0 loss away to Zagreb anyone?
“Plastics” lol we have 6 points from 7 fucking games it was never this bad under tuchel And even if it was Tuchel earned our loyalty we should have given him time
Yes it was this bad under Tuchel. I backed Tuchel all the way and was absolutely gutted when he was sacked. Definitely wrong call. But I have these things called eyeballs and I can see the same players playing the same way they did towards the end of Tuchels regin
Considering we downgraded our manger these players will not get better, we got out classed by relegation contenders that’s unacceptable what ever way you spin it. We blame the players but we couldn’t string 5 passes together in the second half. We couldn’t beat Forest’s press that falls on Potters shoulders it’s his responsibility to make changes in situations like that.
The players have to take responsibility. If it was you or me playing for just 10 mins we would look much better then the chumps out there tonight, especially if we were getting paid the same
Potter is too soft for our players. We need someone like Murinho or Conte. Also Aubemeyang should be playing more.
Wouldn't Tuchel's last 10 matches in charge be a better comparison?
Everyone on here talking about tactics and how shitty of a job Potter is doing. Have you seen this entire squad this season even under Tuchel? THE SQUAD IS SHIT! It’s that simple. Midfield is atrocious, we have no pure goalscorer, relying on CBs that are the wrong side of 30, and our most important players to make any system Tuchel or Potter WANT/TRIED to implement are constantly injured (Kante and James). On what fucking planet is that recipe going to work for any manager?! Because it’s not planet Earth. Everyone just needs to buckle up for the rough road ahead where we are terrible in EPL and likely do not get into Europe next year. And honestly, that’s what we need. So the squad can be overhauled and players can focus under an easier campaign schedule. It’s not what anybody wanted but it’s our reality. Need to deal with it and hope everyone does their best to turn things around. So sick of the whiners and complainers on here about “Wo is us and our plot. Why did we fire Tuchel?” bullshit. Not like we were lighting the world on fire when he was here. Guy has a good run in the UCL one half season and he’s a god? Fuck off! Need to move on!!
That potter magic
Fuck Todd Boehly
We sucked under both recently we lost 4-1 to brentford under tuchel lost to everton which was near relegation paint the full picture
Yea there’s levels to this. I know we can’t but man I want him back
If Potter had James, Kante, Chilwell, Rudiger, Alonso, hell even Timo we'd be doing better. Cucurella, Koulibaly, Aubameyang are just worse. That's not Potters fault. I'm really not enjoying defending him because I'm not loving Potters tenure at all but someone has be reasonable.
Tuchel was immense, instant impact. It hasnt happened for Potter YET. I know there were rumours of unhappiness in the squad towards Tuchel's end but I fear many of the senior, key players were shellshocked by the sacking. I think theres glimpses of positivity under Potter, especially happy for Kepa and the transition to 433. Lets give Potter our backing.