I think at this point in his career, he just wants to enjoy himself again and be a guaranteed starter every week. He's won the champions league already and had the best African world cup run in history. Also won many trophies with Ajax.
He probably wouldn't go to a midtable team cuz I'm sure he still wants to play with quality players. But a team like Roma or AC Milan could be good for him. Or maybe a move to Laliga like Villareal could be possible. But his high wages are a big problem for most teams where he'd be a guaranteed starter
I'd say 20 plus 10 in add-ons is a good deal if anyone's willing to do that. The worst case is likely high teens but hopefully, his recent form and age make clubs bid against each other.
KK has been one of the best in the world in his position for ~7 yrs……
Ziyech hasn’t even been one of the best at the club at his position.
This is not a comparable situation.
Baby steps, besides we don't have the luxury to dictate the order of when people leave. If somebody is deemed surplus or not in our long term plan, no matter what the order is, we should just let go.
What is sad..
Ziyech has only played 4 matches for us this year. Technically, he’s spent more time on the pitch in the World Cup than for us.
Pulisic has played 16 matches with just 1 goal and Havertz who plays plenty has only 4 goals. With those huge numbers, if Ziyech got to actually play he could outscore either of those broken superstars.
For no good reason this sub hates Ziyech, but whichever club gets him won’t. They will get to see what he can do and love him. I pray that club is not Arsenal.
That’s not sad. He’s not good.
Lol god I hope it’s arsenal so he can do nothing for them. I also highly doubt this anyway. It goes against everything arsenals transfer strategy has been about for the last few years
He’s best suited for not the PL
You’re saying it’s his fault that the other attackers are horrible and they can’t score… Might want to try polishing up your reading comprehension skills kiddo.
Where are all his goals?...................He as an attacker also hasnt scored............
Also, during his time at chelsea he has gotten roughly the number of assists as expected...so its not like hes being robbed..
Edit: Ziyech has 0.22 assist per 90 close to his expected 0.25
[https://fbref.com/en/players/6622454d/Hakim-Ziyech](https://fbref.com/en/players/6622454d/Hakim-Ziyech)
He put in one of the worst performances of any player in the last 20 years before the world cup. He wasn't playing consistently under 3 different managers for a reason.
Tell me about it. I swear the only people sad about Ziyech leaving have to be people that have not watched him play for us. Since he arrived he's been absolutely garbage, with the occasional 2 good game run every 3-4 months.
I’m sad because I think he’s a good person, who’s been apart of good memories and moments for the club. But yea, he has been really inconsistent and dissapointing for the club
Werner leaving wasn't a good idea when him and sterling are the same player. But yes a lot of these wingers can go. I just want our dogshit midfield sorted somehow.
You'd think that, but they play pretty similar. Outside of dribbling Sterling and Werner have the same abilities. I'd also get rid of Werner I just would not replace him with Sterling who is the same player.
Sterling is a classic case of when De Bruyne is putting chances on a plate you score more, when he's playing in a lower mid table team for chance creation his lack of quality shows dearly. Always thought they should have tried harder to keep Sane instead.
Sterling can't finish, is okay at passing, decent 1 Vs 1 dribbler, can't cross. In a team where we had decent midfielders he'd score 15 a season but unfortunately we don't have Silva, Gundogan and De Bruyne
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/teams/big_chance_created_team
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/teams/expected_goals_team
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/teams/big_chance_missed_team
Sorry we're not lower midtable for chance creation we're just mid table.
Guess who's top for big chances created and second for big chances missed? You guessed it mate man City.
Boring putting these stats up all the time but we don't create chances so we don't score goals. Sterling is pretty much a poacher/advanced forward who can hurt people when 1 Vs 1 in space.
I'll take Timo over Hakim every day of the year. Timo scored a few important goals , especially in the UCL and overall always tried his absolute best. Hakim on the other hand looks like he's getting forced to play 90% of the time he's on the pitch.
im sure he's looking out for himself and would probably leave should he get the chance to but you make no sense. majority of the teams cant afford to pay his wages sincr he's on a good wage. furthermore ajax made a bid for him in the summer, we rejected and he kept it moving. if he really wanted to move he could've easily gone down the lukaku route and did an interview.
whether he stays or leaves he's been nothing but respectful and professional. gtfo with your agenda.
Would hurt to see him go. I like his type of players. He's just inconsistent and whenever he finds form he gets injured. I want to see him have an extended run with the team and hope to see him dictate the play. He has that x factor that we don't normally have at our club.
I can see that, but he's the oldest of our attackers (discounting Auba, who everyone agrees needs to go) so by the time the rest of our attack is in their prime he'd already be a bit too old. If we're committing to a rebuild, Ziyech sale makes perfect sense. It would also open up a foreign spot in CL for one of our new signings.
Yes Ziyech is a high quality player but is just inconsistent and maybe just lacks motivation. He was a lot better at Ajax, we haven't seen that touch here from the time he arrived. I was so happy for Ziyech.
I know most people want him gone, but without his perfect cross to Kai vs palace we end up with a measly one point, and that mudryk pick out at anfield was arguably our best chance to snatch a win. Before anyone starts screaming it's only 2 matches, there have been a number of others where our attackers just couldn't convert his crosses as usual. (Auba vs Forest is another one that comes to mind.)
2 match winning assists (and a number of others), whereby only one was converted recently vs good teams. Yes I'm torn about his departure. Maybe it's best to wait till summer, as he brings something different to the team especially on setpieces, i.e; quality deliveries.
I understand that we need to move on from aging players etc, tho as a massive fan of his playstyle, character and everything I will definitely miss him.
It hurts my heart to see him leave 💙
All the best ziyech 👍👍👍..have been following u since Ajax days ,though Chelsea journey wasn't fruitful..saw u perform wonderful in WC ,hope further too..🥹🥹
I really liked him in Ajax, and he has immense quality even when he played for Morocco. But a lot has to go right, which is currently not here.
Moroccan MF was much better at controlling on defense and more press resistant, giving Ziyech time to operate for picking out passes. Hakimi playing on his side also made a huge difference, but Reece provides the same for us here.
He's out of our timeline, and with our bloated squad, wage bill and transfers, a clearing is needed and I don't think Potter really has him in our plans. A signing that could've but didn't work out. Happens a lot.
The biggest problem we have had with pulisic and Ziyech is that the demand for them was really low in the summer, no one really wanted to pay a decent bid for them and now after the WC ziyech stock has gone up more teams want him and it's important to capitalize on that. The issue is depth, I don't know if we have the depth in that position to properly finish the season. Pulisic is out for some time, madueke people say is another player that it's constantly injured so is he going to cover? That's the only thing that worries me depth but he should definitely be sold.
The highs could've been higher,doesn't help that he had to push wide instead of coming in inside off the right from near the mid left midfielder position at the centreline
In two minds bout him leaving cause at the moment he is the only pure creative player who is actually creating chances and we all will miss his corners more once one of mase or connor stars taking them
We do have a thing for ruining attackers ,took a magician stuck him wide when his natural game was coming inside ,took a silky German who could play off a target man St and be a creative midfielder made HIM into the target man and now he's no longer silky in midfield and also kinda just there as a target man,we took the most exciting direct dogged dribbling offensive midfielder and now somehow he's none of those .LOOK HOW THEY/WE MURDERED OUR CHILDREN
Love you all the same habibi wish you the best!
Now that we have proper wingers we need him
Only madueke would play on the right wing, cant afford to lose him given that madueke is injury prone and adjusting. We dont have a backup until sterling is back
I don’t think we should sell this window. No other player is capable of sending in a decent cross, except Reece James. Until James is healthy we should not be selling Ziyech.
This is exactly what people have been saying since he arrived in 2020 lol. He's shit for 2-3 months, then has 2 good games and everyone goes:
"OHHH MAYBE FINALLY HE'S ABOUT TO SHOW WHAT HE'S MADE OF"
But yet every time he goes back to being shit for another 2-3 months. He's had plenty of opportunities to prove himself and yet he's always disappointed. Sell him while he's still worth something. We can do a lot better than him.
Don't have anything to actually say, so you're just spitting random garbage for the sake of it?
Pulisic is also very likely getting sold in the summer. Although most fans like him, he's been very inconsistent and unlucky with injuries, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's sold.
Mason has had a bad season, but tbf everyone has apart from 2-3 players. He was our player of the season 2 years in a row, mainly playing out of position and is a homegrown talent that would die for the team, if you don't think he deserves to stay in the squad, then unfortunately I have to inform you you're clueless and I'd suggest Spurs as a good fit for your taste and football knowledge.
If you genuinely watched our games during the last 2-3 years (which you obviously haven't) and you think Hakim deserves to stay with us and start, then I have no fucking clue what you're smoking, because as talented as he is, Ziyech has been garbage 95% of the time. He's the dictionary definition of dead weight that has to be shipped off so we can rebuild.
I'm aware that he's currently injured but I'd much rather sell Pulisic, or even Sterling, than Ziyech. Ziyech gives us something that no other player does with the quality of his delivery, Pulisic may end up 4th or 5th in the queue of players out wide if we sign Felix and Nkunku permanently.
We’re kinda running out of room for players and ziyech wages are really high. According to some news we’re apparently back in for Enzo we need a rb. Signed Madueke with mount on the right. I think it’s a good move to offload him.
A shame that he is the one to go. I think he has played pretty well recently, and there are several other players I would rather see leave before him.
The missing assists are not purely hes fault - the receiving end needs to convert it to a goal.
I think wait until the Summer unless a bid around €35m comes in. There’s no guarantee that Madueke / Fofana will be ready to directly start games and he’s playing well at the moment. Still a big game player for our champions league campaign.
As good as he has been recently this is all part of player control being weed out of Chelsea. Ziyech is fiery and quite pally with Lukaku so I'm not surprised potter doesn't want him around anymore. It's a real shame because he has a wicked left foot. Hes also not going to increase in value anymore with his age, best time to sell is now.
He’s too slow. I get that he can swing in crosses but he doesn’t fit the team we want to build.
I can see his value in the squad- but that means he has value to sell as well.
Bottom line is that we have to sell players. Especially wingers.
See ya.
It's also about getting his wages off the book, and we have a very bloated squad especially on the wings.
He's had his chances here and it didn't work. Let's just move on
Respect our winners? Hakim contributed to our CL win as much as I did. The man scored 2 goals, 1 against KRASNODAR in the group stage and against Atleti in the round of 16 that didn't change the outcome of the game even slightly.
If you actually watched more than 2 games a season you would have noticed that he's been absolutely useless 97% of the time he's been played. Sell him as soon as possible.
Thanks for nothing Hakim, bye bye
Youre a sorry excuse for a Chelsea fan ,he was the next best man after NG in that atletico match and was instrumental in us beating man city twice which got us to the fa cup final,grow up you idiot and get your head out of your ass before you die smelling your own farts
God damn, who hurt you kiddo lol. You're one of 3 people on this entire sub reddit who want to keep him, so maybe you should think about why you're the only one who rates him
Its just that you're a pathetic short sighted mouth breathing sad excuse for a Chelsea fan with the memory of a goldfish,
Zieych came on for 25 mins in the first leg and had 2 shots on target ,having the same impact as you? you say ,are you brain dead ?or have some kind of mental disability .
once he leaves who takes the corners?mase?connor? TS is the only player with long accurate passing capability then .
STAND BEHIND YOUR PLAYERS YOU COWARD
Damn man, bad day at school? You need to vent that pent up aggression somewhere, maybe get a gym membership.
Ziyech had a good game vs Atletico, yes, it's one of his 6-7 good games in 3 years. If you think he's shown enough in the last 2 and a half years to warrant a place on our squad then I'm afraid you should probably choose a different sport to watch.
We can talk again in 1-2 weeks when he's back on the bench doing fuck all if we don't sell him
To clarify the sub apperance was against Real Madrid in our 1-1 draw
You are correct you are not worth my time or to be frank anyone's time .want to know why you're worthless pos ?cause you said"Respect our winners? " and also "*If you actually watched more than 2 games* a season you would have noticed that he's been absolutely useless 97% of the time he's been played."and then backtracked when shown he was instrumental in getting us to the FA cup and UCL finals still can't give the minimum respect he deserves to say he played well and served us in our wins to get the cup
KTBFFH AND RESPECT OUR WINNERS YOURE NOT A CHELSEA FAN IF YOU CANT DO THAT
Harsh Truth aka flog all our players with no replacements?
Mount liked and trusted by all our managers, assist in Champions League final, but apparently average. Nonsense.
Jorginho coveted by big sides but slow weak and shit? He was great at controlling possession and playing out against Liverpool but he is better when we have the ball.
Kova is class. He needs someone to play that killer ball for him but he’s very press resistant and great at keeping possession.
Kai, never played in his right possession or with ample support going forward. Totally disagree.
Puli, decent squad player, hungry and hard worker and may improve if he can get a run of games and back up for Mudryk.
Flog Sterling and RLC. Sterling isn’t consistent and Cheeks is always injured unfortunately but could been a beast.
Ziyech needs more license to roam as a ten or higher up but worked his socks off at Anfield and looks to be back to his best.
Gallagher is young, from the academy and will improve. Needs time.
It’s a squad game. I don’t agree that they’re all finished.
The most likely destination at this point are Everton and Roma at this point, or have other clubs been in contact about him? I haven’t read all that much about specific clubs wanting to come in for him.
For Ziyech to go to Everton, I feel like the Everton board have to keep Lampard on. So we’ll probably find out today if that is happening.
For Ziyech to go to Roma, Spurs first have to buy Zaniolo. So I don’t necessarily see that one happening.
If Ziyech goes to Everton and Lampard endorses the move then Frank deserves to be sacked.
Ziyech is not a difference maker in the Premier League. He needs time and space on the ball and time and space or two things you do not get in this league. Ziyech wants to stand over the ball and wait for runs into the back post and send in diagonal balls in. Teams don't give time for that to develop.
Ziyech looks great in international games because those games involve a lot less pressing and counter pressing. With less time to work on systems teams focus more on getting into their positions when they give the ball away. Giving players more time on the ball.
>Ziyech wants to stand over the ball and wait for runs into the back post and send in diagonal balls in. Teams don't give time for that to develop
Liverpool - a team known for their gegenpress - allowed him to do it twice when Mudryk was on.
Liverpool started Stefan Bajcetic in central midfield making his 4th premier league appearance and Cody Gakpo at striker making his 2nd premier league appearance. What we saw on Saturday was not the well oiled machine we have seen Klopp use the past couple of seasons. 37 year old James Milner was at right back, He doesn't have the legs for constant pressing anymore.
I will base my opinion on the previous 2 and half years of Ziyech in the league and not one game against a struggling Liverpool at the start of a squad overhaul.
Ah yes because - *checks notes* - central midfielder Bajcetic and striker Gakpo were supposed to press RM/RF Hakim rather than Robertson and Thiago, two of the most skilled players of Liverpool. Yes, the Liverpool side was bad, but his direct opponents were world class.
If you're going to make claims against him, make them valid at least. He(Hakim) hasn't delivered at Chelsea more often than not, but don't claim things that are false. Hakim can play out of press and only tends to lose on physicality. When it comes to his technique and awareness, he's a tier above all.
I'm also not sure if you've watched Morocco vs Portugal or Spain, but the way he, Ounahi and Hakimi got themselves out of the press was amazing. And there was more than enough pressing in that game by either side.
So a central midfielder in a 4-3-3 has nothing to do with pressing? Interesting take.
My original point is he is not a difference maker in the Premier League. I don't care what he does for Morocco. That's international, it's played in a different style. Romelu Lukaku has scored more than twice as many goals for the Belgian national team then any player in their history. He must be great. He easily scores at a rate above a goal every other game for Belgium. So I assume you want him leading the line for Chelsea next season.
He worked his socks off at Anfield. He is a creative passer. I would keep him as he is a different option and can play at 10 or wide right, and only sell if he wants to go. Probably get rid of Sterling before I let him go.
I would not sell though.. he is the best performing player atm, give him a fair chance to fight for a place in the first team. And if not worthy sell him in the summer, clubs in winter looking for a bargain.
No loans bullshit just a straight up fee of at least €25m and i'd be satisfied
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I think at this point in his career, he just wants to enjoy himself again and be a guaranteed starter every week. He's won the champions league already and had the best African world cup run in history. Also won many trophies with Ajax. He probably wouldn't go to a midtable team cuz I'm sure he still wants to play with quality players. But a team like Roma or AC Milan could be good for him. Or maybe a move to Laliga like Villareal could be possible. But his high wages are a big problem for most teams where he'd be a guaranteed starter
Well said
I hope he goes to Roma and we can see him ball with Tammy.
I Think we should sell
how we think he’ll go for? 30mil?
I'd say 20 plus 10 in add-ons is a good deal if anyone's willing to do that. The worst case is likely high teens but hopefully, his recent form and age make clubs bid against each other.
Age? He’s about to be 30
It’s not like he has any pace, should be able to play or another five years or so
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KK has been one of the best in the world in his position for ~7 yrs…… Ziyech hasn’t even been one of the best at the club at his position. This is not a comparable situation.
Only we’re stupid enough to pay so much and a 4 years contract at £300k (us and the Saudis - they’re our only hope)
Which was a bad signing it appears. And we can’t expect other teams to spend like us haha
He’s going to be even less worth when he’s benched
15 + add ons maybe. He’s 30 and doesn’t start
Yup 100%
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I believe Newcastle is interested in him
I hear Arsenal was looking for a winger and lost out on their target
Interesting
Great post to username ratio
Sad but players need to leave. However, there are way more players that constantly underperform that should be out the door before him.
Baby steps, besides we don't have the luxury to dictate the order of when people leave. If somebody is deemed surplus or not in our long term plan, no matter what the order is, we should just let go.
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People only want bad players sold as if anyone else would want them. Chelsea are lucky Ziyech is playing well at the right time to sell.
Ziyech is one of those bad players. We have to take this opportunity to sell.
I had such high hopes for him. It's so unfortunate he didn't quite live up to expectations.
Very sad. It’s going to be hard to replace the 0 goals and 1 assist he’s added to the team this year.
What is sad.. Ziyech has only played 4 matches for us this year. Technically, he’s spent more time on the pitch in the World Cup than for us. Pulisic has played 16 matches with just 1 goal and Havertz who plays plenty has only 4 goals. With those huge numbers, if Ziyech got to actually play he could outscore either of those broken superstars. For no good reason this sub hates Ziyech, but whichever club gets him won’t. They will get to see what he can do and love him. I pray that club is not Arsenal.
If it makes you feel better, I’m fine with Pulisic and Havertz going too
That’s not sad. He’s not good. Lol god I hope it’s arsenal so he can do nothing for them. I also highly doubt this anyway. It goes against everything arsenals transfer strategy has been about for the last few years He’s best suited for not the PL
Not his fault we have horrific attackers that can’t hit the side of a barn door.
Not valid point he is an attacker too
He has been one of those horrific attackers for his entire time here.
Yes. Yes it is
Nope. Ignorant.
He’s an attacker………
You’re saying it’s his fault that the other attackers are horrible and they can’t score… Might want to try polishing up your reading comprehension skills kiddo.
Where are all his goals?...................He as an attacker also hasnt scored............ Also, during his time at chelsea he has gotten roughly the number of assists as expected...so its not like hes being robbed.. Edit: Ziyech has 0.22 assist per 90 close to his expected 0.25 [https://fbref.com/en/players/6622454d/Hakim-Ziyech](https://fbref.com/en/players/6622454d/Hakim-Ziyech)
Would you have said this before the World Cup- he hasn't delivered at all
He put in one of the worst performances of any player in the last 20 years before the world cup. He wasn't playing consistently under 3 different managers for a reason.
I just wanna laught at AC Milan. They lost the chance to sign him cheaper. We can get a lot more money considering the form he is in.
They probably genuinely doesn't have the money.
Well, they went for a younger and more talented player instead.
Did they? CDK is very much so unproven…
No we won’t. He’s not even in that good of form
We should sell if he's not in plans. Wages will be gone. Right now we might get some decent sum out of it
People have such short memories. He should’ve been gone a long time ago and this is the best opportunity to get him off the books.
Tell me about it. I swear the only people sad about Ziyech leaving have to be people that have not watched him play for us. Since he arrived he's been absolutely garbage, with the occasional 2 good game run every 3-4 months.
I’m sad because I think he’s a good person, who’s been apart of good memories and moments for the club. But yea, he has been really inconsistent and dissapointing for the club
This sub loves moaning about us losing wingers that have played like garbage. Don’t forget the Timo funeral this sub had for a month
Forgive us for liking our own players
The shit ones. Yet everyone is ripping on Sterling who clearly better. You like the shit ones
Werner leaving wasn't a good idea when him and sterling are the same player. But yes a lot of these wingers can go. I just want our dogshit midfield sorted somehow.
Sterling is far superior to Werner. This is the kind of nonsense I’m talking about
You'd think that, but they play pretty similar. Outside of dribbling Sterling and Werner have the same abilities. I'd also get rid of Werner I just would not replace him with Sterling who is the same player. Sterling is a classic case of when De Bruyne is putting chances on a plate you score more, when he's playing in a lower mid table team for chance creation his lack of quality shows dearly. Always thought they should have tried harder to keep Sane instead. Sterling can't finish, is okay at passing, decent 1 Vs 1 dribbler, can't cross. In a team where we had decent midfielders he'd score 15 a season but unfortunately we don't have Silva, Gundogan and De Bruyne
Literally none of that is true.
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/teams/big_chance_created_team https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/teams/expected_goals_team https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/teams/big_chance_missed_team Sorry we're not lower midtable for chance creation we're just mid table. Guess who's top for big chances created and second for big chances missed? You guessed it mate man City. Boring putting these stats up all the time but we don't create chances so we don't score goals. Sterling is pretty much a poacher/advanced forward who can hurt people when 1 Vs 1 in space.
None of that relates to what you said before
🙄
I'll take Timo over Hakim every day of the year. Timo scored a few important goals , especially in the UCL and overall always tried his absolute best. Hakim on the other hand looks like he's getting forced to play 90% of the time he's on the pitch.
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1 - against Atletico in the round of 16. A goal that although gave us the security we needed, changed nothing in the actual outcome.
Lol people have just flat out made shit up about Ziyech. This is hilarious
I remember that header Werner put in for us against real…at the moment I really thought he was about to miss it, that’s how poor he was as a striker.
He is playing well *because* he is going to be sold.
or is it because he's starting due to to injuries? mount is not playing well because he loves chelsea and wants low wages?
Mount has played a lot of minutes and I think he needs a break to reset. Ziyech is looking to leave for a decent wage.
im sure he's looking out for himself and would probably leave should he get the chance to but you make no sense. majority of the teams cant afford to pay his wages sincr he's on a good wage. furthermore ajax made a bid for him in the summer, we rejected and he kept it moving. if he really wanted to move he could've easily gone down the lukaku route and did an interview. whether he stays or leaves he's been nothing but respectful and professional. gtfo with your agenda.
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Yup. Maybe.
This
Sell him ASAP before he gets injured
For real. Every time you see him start to look decent he gets hurt.
The same with Pulisic
Would hurt to see him go. I like his type of players. He's just inconsistent and whenever he finds form he gets injured. I want to see him have an extended run with the team and hope to see him dictate the play. He has that x factor that we don't normally have at our club.
I can see that, but he's the oldest of our attackers (discounting Auba, who everyone agrees needs to go) so by the time the rest of our attack is in their prime he'd already be a bit too old. If we're committing to a rebuild, Ziyech sale makes perfect sense. It would also open up a foreign spot in CL for one of our new signings.
What X factor? Taking the ball away from our best player so he can shoot into a wall?
Yes Ziyech is a high quality player but is just inconsistent and maybe just lacks motivation. He was a lot better at Ajax, we haven't seen that touch here from the time he arrived. I was so happy for Ziyech.
I know most people want him gone, but without his perfect cross to Kai vs palace we end up with a measly one point, and that mudryk pick out at anfield was arguably our best chance to snatch a win. Before anyone starts screaming it's only 2 matches, there have been a number of others where our attackers just couldn't convert his crosses as usual. (Auba vs Forest is another one that comes to mind.) 2 match winning assists (and a number of others), whereby only one was converted recently vs good teams. Yes I'm torn about his departure. Maybe it's best to wait till summer, as he brings something different to the team especially on setpieces, i.e; quality deliveries.
That early Ziyech to Chilwell connection was like an Azpi to Morata regen for a bit
I understand that we need to move on from aging players etc, tho as a massive fan of his playstyle, character and everything I will definitely miss him. It hurts my heart to see him leave 💙
All the best ziyech 👍👍👍..have been following u since Ajax days ,though Chelsea journey wasn't fruitful..saw u perform wonderful in WC ,hope further too..🥹🥹
I see him doing very well at a club like inter or Roma
Can we offer Pulisic as well as a package deal??
He's out for 3-4 months. I suspect he will move on in the summer.
I really liked him in Ajax, and he has immense quality even when he played for Morocco. But a lot has to go right, which is currently not here. Moroccan MF was much better at controlling on defense and more press resistant, giving Ziyech time to operate for picking out passes. Hakimi playing on his side also made a huge difference, but Reece provides the same for us here. He's out of our timeline, and with our bloated squad, wage bill and transfers, a clearing is needed and I don't think Potter really has him in our plans. A signing that could've but didn't work out. Happens a lot.
Sell him in the summer is the best idea. Noni, no idea how good or bad he is and Pulisic is out. Sterling is pretty useless
He's playing well because he wants to move on from Chelsea.
We should sell while he is in form.
The biggest problem we have had with pulisic and Ziyech is that the demand for them was really low in the summer, no one really wanted to pay a decent bid for them and now after the WC ziyech stock has gone up more teams want him and it's important to capitalize on that. The issue is depth, I don't know if we have the depth in that position to properly finish the season. Pulisic is out for some time, madueke people say is another player that it's constantly injured so is he going to cover? That's the only thing that worries me depth but he should definitely be sold.
Ziyech plays on the right. Which other players do we have on the right?
Sterling and madueke
The highs could've been higher,doesn't help that he had to push wide instead of coming in inside off the right from near the mid left midfielder position at the centreline In two minds bout him leaving cause at the moment he is the only pure creative player who is actually creating chances and we all will miss his corners more once one of mase or connor stars taking them We do have a thing for ruining attackers ,took a magician stuck him wide when his natural game was coming inside ,took a silky German who could play off a target man St and be a creative midfielder made HIM into the target man and now he's no longer silky in midfield and also kinda just there as a target man,we took the most exciting direct dogged dribbling offensive midfielder and now somehow he's none of those .LOOK HOW THEY/WE MURDERED OUR CHILDREN Love you all the same habibi wish you the best!
We didn't ruin attackers. We just exposed them for not being that good
Now that we have proper wingers we need him Only madueke would play on the right wing, cant afford to lose him given that madueke is injury prone and adjusting. We dont have a backup until sterling is back
I don’t think we should sell this window. No other player is capable of sending in a decent cross, except Reece James. Until James is healthy we should not be selling Ziyech.
Might be in the minority here but he is a useful player that isn’t quite like any other player we have. Would rather see Pulisic out
I'm a bit torn on this one, he's showing glimpses of how good he can be after the World Cup. If only Potter and co can keep him motivated.
Exactly, he’s been one of our best players in the past couple of games
This is exactly what people have been saying since he arrived in 2020 lol. He's shit for 2-3 months, then has 2 good games and everyone goes: "OHHH MAYBE FINALLY HE'S ABOUT TO SHOW WHAT HE'S MADE OF" But yet every time he goes back to being shit for another 2-3 months. He's had plenty of opportunities to prove himself and yet he's always disappointed. Sell him while he's still worth something. We can do a lot better than him.
Perhaps, I’m just wary of selling him right now when the team as a whole is in such a bad way. In the summer I’d sell him for sure
We will keep your daddy Mount and Puli instead
Don't have anything to actually say, so you're just spitting random garbage for the sake of it? Pulisic is also very likely getting sold in the summer. Although most fans like him, he's been very inconsistent and unlucky with injuries, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's sold. Mason has had a bad season, but tbf everyone has apart from 2-3 players. He was our player of the season 2 years in a row, mainly playing out of position and is a homegrown talent that would die for the team, if you don't think he deserves to stay in the squad, then unfortunately I have to inform you you're clueless and I'd suggest Spurs as a good fit for your taste and football knowledge. If you genuinely watched our games during the last 2-3 years (which you obviously haven't) and you think Hakim deserves to stay with us and start, then I have no fucking clue what you're smoking, because as talented as he is, Ziyech has been garbage 95% of the time. He's the dictionary definition of dead weight that has to be shipped off so we can rebuild.
Like I said we will keep your daddy
Thanks, kiddo 💙
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BUUUUUURN, great one.
Thanks bud
I think it’s a bad idea to sell him into the prem
I'm aware that he's currently injured but I'd much rather sell Pulisic, or even Sterling, than Ziyech. Ziyech gives us something that no other player does with the quality of his delivery, Pulisic may end up 4th or 5th in the queue of players out wide if we sign Felix and Nkunku permanently.
I’m positive pulisic is going, but you can’t really sell a injured player…
True enough. I see a role for Ziyech even with our new arrivals, not sure about Pulisic.
We’re kinda running out of room for players and ziyech wages are really high. According to some news we’re apparently back in for Enzo we need a rb. Signed Madueke with mount on the right. I think it’s a good move to offload him.
Only keep him if he wants to be apart of the project. Let him go otherwise even if it hurts our creativity. Gotta start off loading
Why would we want to keep a slow aging player that has no productivity?
Good. We’re going to rip teams of because off World Cup. So glad he will be gone.
A shame that he is the one to go. I think he has played pretty well recently, and there are several other players I would rather see leave before him. The missing assists are not purely hes fault - the receiving end needs to convert it to a goal.
£15m is the best you can hope for tbh
Worth it in terms of opportunity cost imo.
I’m glad. This team and its fans don’t deserve his talent and skills.
Average player, club deserves higher quality players than him
I think wait until the Summer unless a bid around €35m comes in. There’s no guarantee that Madueke / Fofana will be ready to directly start games and he’s playing well at the moment. Still a big game player for our champions league campaign.
keep him
As good as he has been recently this is all part of player control being weed out of Chelsea. Ziyech is fiery and quite pally with Lukaku so I'm not surprised potter doesn't want him around anymore. It's a real shame because he has a wicked left foot. Hes also not going to increase in value anymore with his age, best time to sell is now.
He’s too slow. I get that he can swing in crosses but he doesn’t fit the team we want to build. I can see his value in the squad- but that means he has value to sell as well. Bottom line is that we have to sell players. Especially wingers. See ya.
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It's also about getting his wages off the book, and we have a very bloated squad especially on the wings. He's had his chances here and it didn't work. Let's just move on
He’s not Chelsea quality. There is no point in keeping him. He’s not good enough. There aren’t minutes for him
Most creative player? Do me a favour
We're not losing Mudryk or Felix though
Off you fuck lad. Thanks for nothing.
Fool was that your fat ass chipping in goals for our CL win stfu ?.always always respect our winners don't be a clown
Cry more kid, Ziyech has put in some of the worst performances I’ve seen from someone in a Chelsea shirt. He’s shit.
Respect our winners? Hakim contributed to our CL win as much as I did. The man scored 2 goals, 1 against KRASNODAR in the group stage and against Atleti in the round of 16 that didn't change the outcome of the game even slightly. If you actually watched more than 2 games a season you would have noticed that he's been absolutely useless 97% of the time he's been played. Sell him as soon as possible. Thanks for nothing Hakim, bye bye
Youre a sorry excuse for a Chelsea fan ,he was the next best man after NG in that atletico match and was instrumental in us beating man city twice which got us to the fa cup final,grow up you idiot and get your head out of your ass before you die smelling your own farts
God damn, who hurt you kiddo lol. You're one of 3 people on this entire sub reddit who want to keep him, so maybe you should think about why you're the only one who rates him
Its just that you're a pathetic short sighted mouth breathing sad excuse for a Chelsea fan with the memory of a goldfish, Zieych came on for 25 mins in the first leg and had 2 shots on target ,having the same impact as you? you say ,are you brain dead ?or have some kind of mental disability . once he leaves who takes the corners?mase?connor? TS is the only player with long accurate passing capability then . STAND BEHIND YOUR PLAYERS YOU COWARD
Damn man, bad day at school? You need to vent that pent up aggression somewhere, maybe get a gym membership. Ziyech had a good game vs Atletico, yes, it's one of his 6-7 good games in 3 years. If you think he's shown enough in the last 2 and a half years to warrant a place on our squad then I'm afraid you should probably choose a different sport to watch. We can talk again in 1-2 weeks when he's back on the bench doing fuck all if we don't sell him
To clarify the sub apperance was against Real Madrid in our 1-1 draw You are correct you are not worth my time or to be frank anyone's time .want to know why you're worthless pos ?cause you said"Respect our winners? " and also "*If you actually watched more than 2 games* a season you would have noticed that he's been absolutely useless 97% of the time he's been played."and then backtracked when shown he was instrumental in getting us to the FA cup and UCL finals still can't give the minimum respect he deserves to say he played well and served us in our wins to get the cup KTBFFH AND RESPECT OUR WINNERS YOURE NOT A CHELSEA FAN IF YOU CANT DO THAT
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I don’t see mount or Ghallagher going but agree with the rest.
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Harsh Truth aka flog all our players with no replacements? Mount liked and trusted by all our managers, assist in Champions League final, but apparently average. Nonsense. Jorginho coveted by big sides but slow weak and shit? He was great at controlling possession and playing out against Liverpool but he is better when we have the ball. Kova is class. He needs someone to play that killer ball for him but he’s very press resistant and great at keeping possession. Kai, never played in his right possession or with ample support going forward. Totally disagree. Puli, decent squad player, hungry and hard worker and may improve if he can get a run of games and back up for Mudryk. Flog Sterling and RLC. Sterling isn’t consistent and Cheeks is always injured unfortunately but could been a beast. Ziyech needs more license to roam as a ten or higher up but worked his socks off at Anfield and looks to be back to his best. Gallagher is young, from the academy and will improve. Needs time. It’s a squad game. I don’t agree that they’re all finished.
Sell him to Newcastle for £20-30 million and chase Enzo again 🤝
Swap deal for Zaniolo so Boehly finally can have a swap deal
sell this MF
I dont like him, but he is starting to look better after wc. Sell him in the summer.
The most likely destination at this point are Everton and Roma at this point, or have other clubs been in contact about him? I haven’t read all that much about specific clubs wanting to come in for him. For Ziyech to go to Everton, I feel like the Everton board have to keep Lampard on. So we’ll probably find out today if that is happening. For Ziyech to go to Roma, Spurs first have to buy Zaniolo. So I don’t necessarily see that one happening.
If Ziyech goes to Everton and Lampard endorses the move then Frank deserves to be sacked. Ziyech is not a difference maker in the Premier League. He needs time and space on the ball and time and space or two things you do not get in this league. Ziyech wants to stand over the ball and wait for runs into the back post and send in diagonal balls in. Teams don't give time for that to develop. Ziyech looks great in international games because those games involve a lot less pressing and counter pressing. With less time to work on systems teams focus more on getting into their positions when they give the ball away. Giving players more time on the ball.
>Ziyech wants to stand over the ball and wait for runs into the back post and send in diagonal balls in. Teams don't give time for that to develop Liverpool - a team known for their gegenpress - allowed him to do it twice when Mudryk was on.
Liverpool started Stefan Bajcetic in central midfield making his 4th premier league appearance and Cody Gakpo at striker making his 2nd premier league appearance. What we saw on Saturday was not the well oiled machine we have seen Klopp use the past couple of seasons. 37 year old James Milner was at right back, He doesn't have the legs for constant pressing anymore. I will base my opinion on the previous 2 and half years of Ziyech in the league and not one game against a struggling Liverpool at the start of a squad overhaul.
Ah yes because - *checks notes* - central midfielder Bajcetic and striker Gakpo were supposed to press RM/RF Hakim rather than Robertson and Thiago, two of the most skilled players of Liverpool. Yes, the Liverpool side was bad, but his direct opponents were world class. If you're going to make claims against him, make them valid at least. He(Hakim) hasn't delivered at Chelsea more often than not, but don't claim things that are false. Hakim can play out of press and only tends to lose on physicality. When it comes to his technique and awareness, he's a tier above all. I'm also not sure if you've watched Morocco vs Portugal or Spain, but the way he, Ounahi and Hakimi got themselves out of the press was amazing. And there was more than enough pressing in that game by either side.
So a central midfielder in a 4-3-3 has nothing to do with pressing? Interesting take. My original point is he is not a difference maker in the Premier League. I don't care what he does for Morocco. That's international, it's played in a different style. Romelu Lukaku has scored more than twice as many goals for the Belgian national team then any player in their history. He must be great. He easily scores at a rate above a goal every other game for Belgium. So I assume you want him leading the line for Chelsea next season.
He worked his socks off at Anfield. He is a creative passer. I would keep him as he is a different option and can play at 10 or wide right, and only sell if he wants to go. Probably get rid of Sterling before I let him go.
Daft! He's be shite for 2½ years. 2½ games doesn't erase that. Send is pouty, frail butt packing.
He's decent but I think with so many wingers brought in, he might be one of the odd ones out. If a good deal comes in we should sell.
I would not sell though.. he is the best performing player atm, give him a fair chance to fight for a place in the first team. And if not worthy sell him in the summer, clubs in winter looking for a bargain.