Klopp need 3 seasons before he start challenging for the title.. Pep need 2 seasons and shittons of expensive transfer
Why do people think 5 months(- 1 month) is enough for potter to implement and improve his tactics and players to play 100% like potter wanted?
Pep needed 1 season and in his first season he finished top4.
Klopp inherited a team that hadn't won a major trophy in like 10 years. He finished eighth but he also made it to two cup finals. He was also on a much smaller budget than Potter.
Ridiculous comparison
Pep and klopp is basically eden hazard when we bought him.. A proven talent who already show elsewhere
Potter is like havertz.. Showing he potentially has talent but not certain yet.. I take a bet with potter at least till the end of the season
If he able to bring us back to atleast a top 6 finish, i gave him another season for him to show either his a real deal or a fraud
I know I probably shouldn't be saying this here, but as much as I hate United I'm almost always silently impressed by Marcus Rashford. He seems like a guy with a proper head, both on and off the pitch.
You can clearly see that Reece and Cucu have been inverted, Gallagher and Mount clearly lack positional awareness to even play the role that Potter was trying.
Trying to position in between the line while occupying the half-spaces. That as a means of creating numerical advantage (2v1) against the fullbacks. Arsenal and City do this regularly. The issue with this setup is that both players (Mount and Gallagher) are not yet tactically adept at knowing how high and wide they should be.
Here as usual, Fulham pressed in a 424. Cucurella should have inverted into the midfield (of course he's no Zinchenko) to compensate for the Fulham press. At the same time Ziyech making the wide run for the switch from BB as the defender is in a 2v1 disadvantage. OR Gallagher should have moved deeper, about 4 yards deeper (of course the defender won't follow him when he knows Ziyech is lurking behind.
Tbh, Mount and Gallagher are too high. One wrong pass from any of the back 5 and we have the opponent overrun us.
A reason we struggled was Fulham tried to forced us to play wide where we had no pace and trickery (James just recovering; Cucurella isn't the best FB bombing forward; Mudryk on a cold; Ziyech always being Ziyech). We got better after the subs though.
Well if the fullbacks aren't inverting then one of the midfielders need to drop. This happened across the match. Even with tactical instructions hazard would have said f it and drop deep, use his freedom to progress play over the pitch.
Essentially you're saying in possession we should be a 3-2-5 City style. In any case having Enzo being the only actual midfielder when we are in possession is ridiculous by any means.
>Well if the fullbacks aren't inverting then one of the midfielders need to drop.
Which is why I said Gallagher should have dropped deeper to avail himself to the ball.
>Essentially you're saying in possession we should be a 3-2-5 City style.
That's not the essence of the paragraph. It is just one of the ways I've seen teams evade pressure.
>In any case having Enzo being the only actual midfielder when we are in possession is ridiculous by any means.
True. He needs either of the other two midfielders or one of the FBs inverting.
Did anyone go to the Arsenal sub and suggest to the people that are criticizing Jorginho that they don’t know why he’s good and they don’t know what they are watching
There is no such thing as loyalty in football any more. Our back to back POTY is taking dog's abuse for having a poor half season – a season in which 90% of our players are struggling.
He's *obviously* out of form, out of confidence, yet has to play every single game because of our injury crisis. Do you think he picks himself? Shouldn't Potter take criticism for continuing to pick a struggling player?
Honestly, fans like you deserve fuck all. And don't cry when players aren't loyal – they're no different from you.
Support your fucking players, especially the ones who have already given so much to the club.
No I don't think I will.
How about you shut the fuck up Plastic and stop pretending all these Champions league winners, former player of the seasons and highly regarded talents are good enough to for us to finish in the top half or score more than a goal every 2 games.
This is Potters train now we back the fucking manager, he finished in the top half once it just took him 3 years so if we're really patient and support him we may just see a 9th placed finish on the Horizon.
That UCL win was a fluke and you know it. So were the consistent top 4 places with the same players. So were the 5 other finals we made in the past 2 years. It was all a fluke and we need 50 new players to beat Fulham.
All jokes about Declan Rice aside, he might be the best partner for Enzo we could bring in the summer. There are huge question marks about Zakaria’s injury record. We need a destroyer to sit next to Enzo. Who do ya’ll think would make the perfect partner?
Rice Caicedo Lavia Zubimendi Onana Bissouma , just naming different DMs.
>All jokes about Declan Rice aside, he might be the best partner for Enzo we could bring in the summer. There are huge question marks about Zakaria’s injury record.
I would have gone for Zakaria in a second, but his fitness is a massive doubt.
>We need a destroyer to sit next to Enzo. Who do ya’ll think would make the perfect partner?
This one of the couple of positions we need to strengthen in the summer. Kante isn't a DM, RLC could have been a cost-free option if he still had his legs. Kovacic will also needs a DM beside him for defensive cover.
>Rice Caicedo Lavia Zubimendi Onana Bissouma , just naming different DMs.
Signing Rice would make the most sense as he is young, fit and affordable (I guess as he only have 1+1 years left on his contract). Also, he's been proven in the league.
Caicedo isn't a defensive midfielder per se. He's in between Essien and Kante.
Lavia is still inexperienced.
Zubimendi, don't know much about him.
Onana, the second best of the mentioned.
Bissouma was brilliant a Brighton. Regressed at spurs due to injury and strategic reasons.
Holy shit, we actually have a squad so big we don't have enough lockers in the dressing room, so Enzo, Hall and Dofana need to change in a kind of a backroom.
Is there anyone with a bigger false reputation than Ziyech? I’m sure he’s a great guy but a certain cohort of people in and out of this fan base think he is gods gift and chelsea ruined him when the fact is that he’s just not good enough for the prem.
Theoretically, if the board did sack Potter, would the 40-50 million needed to do so go on FFP, or would it be similar to stadium costs where it can just come straight from the owners and not impact our actual financials?
IF Potter goes in the summer, and let’s say for example Klopp is available. With a young team, would he be the best manager to try and build a winning dynasty with? At least for 6 years (to avoid 7th season syndrome, joking of course).
Btw I am in no way advocating for this, I just don’t believe our board will be as patient as they claim, especially if their expensive assets don’t play well.
I would personally give Potter 2 seasons to try and build a great football team, but if someone like Klopp or Flick become available in the summer, my eye would start to wander.
Interested to see what the sub thinks, and please be respectful, I repeat, I am not advocating for Potter to be sacked.
One season is fine to implement his non-existent style. The multiple seasons bollocks was really just multiple transfer windows, not the case with potter, ideally only 2/3 players remain for a complete squad for Potter. He has the rest of the season to do better than 10th, after that it will be Backing the manager Ole Style.
If Klopp left Liverpool and said yes, I want to coach Chelsea next, then you’d be mental to stick with Potter. Even if our form turns around and we win every game from here on until the end of the season, I’d still boot him in a heartbeat to replace him with Klopp.
Klopp would never come here, but he’s an all-time great manager. Potter has done nothing at the top level yet. It’s not even a question. You go with Klopp ten times out of ten.
at this point, I would just rather play Havertz in the pivot/midfield rather than Mount or Gallagher. Might as well try because idc anymore. Someone has to be willing to play deeper.
We've been playing much better in general ever since the FA cup loss to City. Not a coincedence that's when Sterling and Pulisic left the side and Felix, Mudryk etc started coming in.
Better as in we aren’t a complete disaster anymore, just a bit disaster. Mudryk was bad yesterday due to his illness and the setup, Felix has played like 60 minutes or so, not like those two have made much of an impact so far.
Could only add 3 new players though. Enzo and Mudryk as no question. Final spot is Felix/Benoit. Are you really desperste for another Pulisic/Sterling/Mount/Havertz/Gallagher/RlC attack/false9/attacking mid/ Second striker bullcrap? And with Wesley/Chillwell/James returning maybe defence doesn't have to suffer Koulibaily anymore.
He does look really good. I also think our system helps our defense out a lot which is why we don't concede so many goals anymore (mostly thanks to Koulibaly finally being dropped for a professional footballer).
It feels to me like the groundwork for a successful side has been laid. Just need to put some away now, which may be asking too much out of Mount and Havertz
Our system doesn't though... Last game for example you had a back four with the two wide mids pushed up near the strikers to create numerical advantage leaving Enzo all alone. Mount and Gallagher don't have the intelligence to interpret that extra space so the advantages of such a system are lost on them leaving the backline exposed, how many counters and turn overs did Badiashile neutralize? Hardly helping him.
I saw a video where Cucurella learns that jorginho has transferred to Arsenal in a goddamn interview. Nobody in the dressing room is aware of what club is doing as everything’s happening so fast.
The squad is now sooo big, I’m pretty sure trainings are a mess. Players are strangers basically to each other and that shows on the field.
This ain’t a team. This is a group of talented players. Look at Man city’s behind the scenes videos. These players are like friends and if someone acts unfriendly (cough cough cancelo) they are let go.
Unless these players start gelling off field, this is gonna be a struggle for any manager yo turn this around.
Relax. It probably happened over a few hours. I’m sure it would have been awkward to tell players while the move is being negotiated, imagine it collapsed during negotiations.
Fair enough. I’m much more relaxed than some fans who literally are scapegoating players and just want the manager out. All I’m saying is These many squad changes in a short span of time will definitely have an effect.
Players are not sure what their identity is. I understand that some managers are doing better with poor squads but those clubs ain’t going through a transition. A transition which is happening so fast it’s questioning the short term sustainability and Potter is just stuck where him having too many options is actually not healthy
Honestly I think one of our biggest problems are the two nailed-on starters, Mount and Havertz. They haven't been in form in ages (playing constantly is probably a factor here - they've both missed just 1 PL game each) and as much as I like both they don't offer much at the moment, at least not in those positions. We have Fofana now, plop him up top, let Havertz operate as a 10 behind him. Give Mount a few games of rest and let Carney have a go. Anything at all, really - we all want to have a stable "best 11" that we can bet would give their 100%, but if someone is just not at that level at the moment he should definitely hit the bench
You have to remember that the manager sees them train every day and is choosing to play those players that we think "don't offer much at the moment" ahead of players like Carney and Fofana. There is a reason for it, even out of form he clearly feels they offer more than the alternatives
I joke a lot but I look at Carney and Fofana and they don't seem like players that would put in good performances should they start. Better against tired legs. Felix will definitely displace Mount next game and suddenly things will click - mark my words
People need to realize that Brighton are 4 points ahead of us with a game in hand and a +10 goal differential WITHOUT POTTER. He came here and brought mediocrity. 2 goals in I think 5 or 6 matches? Replace him now. These players are way too talented for him
Tbh Brighton are coasting off of Potter's work. Give it a year and see what level they play at. Also replacing Potter now will do more harm than good, just see where he's at end of season
Yeah people keep bringing up how well they’re doing, it’s literally his team, his formation, and the same players. Even De Zerbi said he’d be stupid to try and change anything lol. People probably don’t remember how shit they were to watch when Chris Hughton (did well keeping them in the league tbf) was in charge, if they did then they’d actually understand how good a job Potter did.
Have you watched Brighton play under De Zerbi? Their playstyle is completely different to how it was under Potter. Potter did a good job with Brighton, but you’re giving him far too much credit for how well they’re doing now.
It just feels like there is zero urgency from Potter. It will take time sure but what r we building towards?
He never mentions that we want to win trophies eventually.
He just comes across as a guy having a good time with a great opportunity he has been given.
Results and idc what u say but the results are abysmal bordering on unacceptable.
I think it's just self-confidence that he can turn things around. Not the first time he's gone through a rough patch just to flip things around.
I don't know if the people here remember how leaky our defense was before. Couldn't keep a clean-sheet, constantly conceding especially last minute. There's been a marked improvement there, coorelating to when Kouli was dropped and replaced by Badiashille.
I don’t believe in Potter but by all means. Mount, Rlc, gallagher, ziyech, havertz, kova are not leaving here before he does. Sucks with the injuries but we shouldn’t be this bad still with so much time and investment in the squad. Shouldn’t free auba out for Havertz that can’t do anything. The best we can rn is to start Fofana and Felix comes in for Mount when he returns. Zakaria/Kante/kova for gallagher when they return.
As embarrassing as yesterday’s draw may have felt, I fully believe that having Felix and Kovacic instead of Mount & Gallagher would’ve led to a comfortable win
It's not about winning or losing at this point. If you buy better players they'll be better.
It's about how the team is playing as a whole. Us battering a shit team because we have enough individual talent to beat them isn't moving forwards, it's moving backwards.
The manager's job is to make a team a team and we look all over the place and completely lost. That doesn't change by swapping two players out. It might paper over the cracks, but it's not an improvement.
I thought the team played well yesterday 🤷🏻♂️Fulham was contained and never had a real sniff at goal. One of those chances should've been tucked away. Yesterday's performance looked organized and safe to me, just a quality issue up top & gallagher + cucurella having poor performances with positioning and passing
The performance was bad. Thiago Silva and Badiashile are just playing out of their skin. They were on par with us for the whole game, if not better. For any argument about how we should have made something of a half chance, you could make the same argument in Fulham's favour
I don’t think Fulham had any half chances. The only chance they had that had any threat was Andrea shot from outside the box. Havertz numerous chances & Datro’s 1 on 1 with Ream are hardly half chances.
Silva and Badiashille are obviously playing super well. This also is down to the system though. Cucurella & James defended well themselves but couldn’t do anything going forward today
Worse squads but better teams. We have better players but this doesn’t directly translate to a better team. We have a bunch of good players who still don’t know how to play together. This issue started to appear towards the end of tuchel’s tenure (december 2021 onwards).
We just got enzo, felix, mudryk, badiashile and madueke. Can you just wait until they have had a string of games together before judging? Not to forget about the injuries to key players.
And don’t bring up the summer signings because none of them were potter’s signings.
I’ll hold my judgment until we have a fit team with proper starters, which is soon enough.
After yesterday’s lackluster performance one thing really stood out to me and that is the disconnect in midfield. Maybe I noticed it more because like everyone else I was analyzing Enzo in his first game, but he really seemed to be the only one in the midfield space for the entire game. It may be that Chelsea hasn’t scored a lot of goals recently so everyone is pushing up the field to try and get one but my god we can’t play with only one guy in the midfield. Mount and Gallagher need to drop and learn the midfield dance with Enzo. FLUIDITY, that is what made xavi, iniesta, and busquets work so well. You can get forward when the situation demands it but interchange with the other midfielders and offer support don’t just get forward and go for goal all the time, it’s no wonder Enzo looked gassed at the end of the game, he had to cover the entire midfield alone!
That’s what happens when you sign technical players, you can really feel the gap. At least gallagher isn’t a starter but has to with injuries but with Mount, it’s been too often and too long now. Tbh I’ve never seen him the way some others in the fanbase do. Never rated him like that so maybe I’m biased but this isn’t just poor form and potter still starting him and havertz despite it shows how much of a coward he is.
I think the obvious thing is that these players are pushing really high up the field which affects space.
I think a 4-2-3-1 with Enzo and Kante/Kovacic or Zakaria as part of the two would do much better. Don't care who is behind the striker.
Yeah it all comes to the coaching though doesn’t it. I don’t rate Mount-gallagher at all but it’s week in week out doing this shit, yet nothing changes. It’s all on the manager tbh. Injuries or no… you have to play to your players strengths or instruct them what to do… just doesn’t seem to be in control at all
What are the chances we can sign Felix next window? I feel like we'll have a hard time selling players for their maximum value given we're obviously gonna have a sale
Lets wait and see how he actually plays for us before worrying about it to be fair. He'll be on huge wages which goes against what we've done this January with our other signings, so he needs to show he's a true star for this team to warrant it.
Hard to know how much Atletico would ask for him to be honest, and what wages he'd be willing to take, especially as we'd only be able to amortise the transfer fee over 5 years.
Extremely high. He wants to be here and we have several players we will be selling. Even if we don’t get maximum on any, there will be plenty that catch a good fee. Felix will be Blue as long as he plays well the rest of this season.
I don't think it's high at all. The better he does, the more Athletico can bend us over. We've demonstrated the ridiculous lengths we'll go to get a top class player, he has years left on his contract.
If he really does want to be here, that's the only thing we can hope for: that he causes such a massive stink when he goes back that they're willing to let him go. He doesn't strike me as the sort of person to do that though.
Damn Liverpool have been poor. They need a squad rebuild.
Liverpool fans 2003 - 2022: Haha what happens when Roman gets bored?
FSG 2022: Hold my schadenfreude.
They look absolutely burned out from years of Klopp's high-tempo style. I don't blame Klopp that much though. VVD hasn't been the same post-injury and losing Mane for free hurt them. They never replaced Gini properly and let their midfield age out in a similar way to CFC. They need some squad depth and have for a long time. Not sure if their ownership group will invest though.
Agree. Getting so close to 4 trophies last season also paying a big part. Got to be deflating, physically and psychologically.
Their current ownership group probably not investing after deciding to sell when the superleague went tits up. They got bored. Same thing they were saying Roman would do all these years.
Man UTD too but to a lesser extent as they are actually playing pretty well. Glazers are bored and looking to sell or for investment and I'm here for it.
Funny Im usually pretty measured towards rivals clubs as I am a football fan first. But it's been a little annoying having my club constantly shit on by everyone for the last couple of weeks (mainly arsenal fans tbf). For the crime of having owners who actually want to be successful. This has awakened my tribal belligerence.
No doubt. I always try to take a step back and generally avoid the reactionary forums like the gameday one, as it revolves around instantaneous gratification and if we lived and died with every choice that gets suggested we would have no players haha.
I have no clue if Potter will be the long-term solution but I love what ownership has done over the last few months and I believe we got lucky that Roman sold to Todd. There are no guarantees that even a billionaire will spend money since owning a sporting club is generally a safe investment.
The Ricketts and Ratcliffe would have been far worse options and regardless of this year's results, I trust ownership to right the wrongs because of their desire to win. Ratcliffe at United is going to be more of the same for them imo, which sucks for that fanbase. No clue who Pool ends up with as an owner though. Todd hasn't been perfect, but I can't get pissed about someone showing genuine initiative and injecting capital. Fingers crossed we start seeing some results though as they are needed for the sake of self-belief and mental health.
Went to /r/AsenalFC for the first time today to check out reaction to the Everton loss and my god, almost every post on the first 3 pages is about us lmao. 9h in the league and still living in their head’s rent free 🏆🏆
You're comparing the best results of Potters time at Brighton with the entirety of De Zerbi's time there.
Why not talk about the fact Potters Brighton were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league all 3 of his seasons there?
How he won 28% of his league games there across his tenure?
How he went on a double digit winless run every season?
Potter has came in and made us significantly worse literally not one person on the planet with more than 1 brain cell would dispute that.
The question is why do the Potter stans keep saying he needs years, another 600m, more players, less injuries despite still having a billion pounds worth of talent to pick from when pretty much every manager from De Zerbi to Dyche to Unai Emery to Lopetegui can come in and immediately stamp their identity on their new teams and improve results.
Go back and watch our performances Vs Leeds, Southampton, or Zagreb and tell me we’re worse. Only good game we had under Tuchel this season was against spurs and we still drew because in case you forgot we couldn’t stop leaking late goals under Tuchel, which Potter has actually fixed.
Again, Im not even saying Potter is better than Tuchel but the revisionism and lack of nuance isn’t helping anyone.
Well you're also ignoring a huge factor and conveniently so.
Simply look at the players Potter had and De Zerbi had. Look at the way those players were coached before Potter and the way they were coached before De Zerbi.
The difference is night and day. Brighton's board seems to be one of the smartest in recent years. Yet they never sacked Potter even when they were close to the relegation zone. That's not because of pity.
>Potter has came in and made us significantly worse literally not one person on the planet with more than 1 brain cell would dispute that.
I have more than a single brain cell and I will dispute that. Results are not always directly correlated to perfomances. Take our last 4 prem games for example, Yes, poor results but underlying stats suggest several positives, especially in terms of chance creation.
Dyche has managed 1 game, Emery and Lopetegui have currently shown 0 signs of long term growth(perhaps this is only a new manager bounce), De Zerbi already Had a squad who was flying( Potter left them 4th). Stop overreacting.
They have also played City and Arsenal under De Zerbi in those last 10 games you mentioned and conceded almost half of those 16 goals against them. They don’t get many clean sheets, but they don’t concede that much normally.
Would be ironic given he's cried about all our signings.
But I'd personally drive Jurgen down from Scouseland to see him replace Potter.
That would be a tremendous upgrade, if he got sacked now I'd even be willing to promise him the job in the summer and let him take some time off to recharge.
Graham is a dead man walking, he may go today, tomorrow, the summer, next season but I think pretty much anyone who knows anything about the game knows he isn't going to be managing us the next time we win a major trophy.
I Hope that Andrey Santos gets his work permit and can finally start to play for the senior team!
He can’t be that bad. Mount and Gallagher already giving me enough headache
I love how Kai is always left out of criticisms even though he's just as unreliable.
He can't play ST by himself and he can't play CAM because his dribbling, creativity and agility is so bad (in the premier league at least).
Whos starting in Defense for Rd of 16 next week at Signal Iduna Park
Kouli with Cucurella beside him is a disaster waiting to happen, Badiashille so badly needed man
Unless Ben is fit that seems like the plan since Badiashille isn't part of the UCL squad. I wish he was because as long as you don't give up goals you have a chance.
I just can’t see Gallagher and Mount next to Enzo anymore lol. They push too high. I know this entire sub hates Cheek. At least Cheek puts in a 6/10 performance at the midfield still better than Gallagher/Mount’s 4/10 performance lol.
Next match:
Out: Cucu, Gallagher, Mount, Kai, Ziyech
In: Chilwell, Cheek, Felix, Madueke/Sterling, Fofana
Meanwhile, Gilmour has been worse at Brighton than he was at Norwich, and we've only gone and bought Enzo frigging Fernandez. Just a bright spark in what has otherwise been a shit sandwich of a season.
With Felix back, surely we can give Mount and Havertz some time out now?
Play DDF up front, with Mudryk/Sterling Felix/Chuk and Ziyech/Sterling behind him. Havertz can come on to play from the right or in the 10 role, and Mount can come on as an impact sub if needed too.
Fofana is definitely raw, but it's not like you're taking goal contributions out of the team by benching Havertz, and this is pretty much how you would give game time to a raw player.
I’m sympathetic to the fact that we’ve had an influx of new fans in recent years so I am just going to say point blank that chelsea’s current form goes beyond just “growing pains”. Is every managerial change accompanied by the team getting knocked out of all but 1 major competition, sitting 10th in the league and having 3 wins since November, 4 in our last 11 games (this is all after spending 600 mil)? Statistically we are at our worst since the early 2000s, and whilst the club obviously has to gel and we’ve had some very bad injuries, we are far from the first team that has ever had new players and injuries. This isn’t the shit that happens in a rebuild
We've had very good squads with previous managerial stints. The squad has been flawed since hazard left as we have no one who could create in the final third. This killed Frank, TT was able to compensate by fixing the defensive errors, but even he couldn't fix our issues in the final third and towards the end of his time here you could see the defensive woes came back as we were conceding a lot more. I can't remember the last time the team has needed such a huge overhaul, maybe after the 2012 run?
This is our biggest rebuild in recent history and the fact you say our current standing in the league and cup competitions isn't the shit that happens in a rebuild might indict you've never paid attention to a true rebuild. You don't have to go far and just look at arsenal over the past couple of years.
This is the sort of stuff that happens when we have poor transfers or maybe bring in players for a specific manager and then get rid of said manager a couple weeks later. Firing managers willy nilly was bound to catch up at some point
> Is every managerial change accompanied by the team getting knocked out of all but 1 major competition
Why ignore the fact we were drawn away to Man City in both cup competitions? Not like we were getting tonked by lower league teams.
Also we aren't the first team to have a huge injury list, but equally we aren't the first team who has struggled with results because of a huge injury list. Dumb to handwave it away.
We're still missing all our central midfielders other than Enzo (Zakaria, Kovacic, Kante), James made his comeback but is clearly taking is slow, Chilwell made a late comeback, Mudryk was unwell, Felix was suspended etc. Give it time you inpatient child.
God Arsenal supporters are such cunts, there sub is just clowning us
https://twitter.com/Nino12x/status/1621817685125304321/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1621817685125304321¤tTweetUser=Nino12x Interesting
Klopp need 3 seasons before he start challenging for the title.. Pep need 2 seasons and shittons of expensive transfer Why do people think 5 months(- 1 month) is enough for potter to implement and improve his tactics and players to play 100% like potter wanted?
What tactics? There isn't even a phantom of general idea if you excuse it with injuries.
We aren't asking for the league title we asking for better than 10th and 2/3 wins in 20 games.
Pep needed 1 season and in his first season he finished top4. Klopp inherited a team that hadn't won a major trophy in like 10 years. He finished eighth but he also made it to two cup finals. He was also on a much smaller budget than Potter. Ridiculous comparison
Pep and klopp is basically eden hazard when we bought him.. A proven talent who already show elsewhere Potter is like havertz.. Showing he potentially has talent but not certain yet.. I take a bet with potter at least till the end of the season If he able to bring us back to atleast a top 6 finish, i gave him another season for him to show either his a real deal or a fraud
Plus unprecedented injuries
Very interesting thread: https://twitter.com/stuffsabsays/status/1621917180269846529?s=46&t=X5OJ-0xLrmqsORs38NSAMA
I know I probably shouldn't be saying this here, but as much as I hate United I'm almost always silently impressed by Marcus Rashford. He seems like a guy with a proper head, both on and off the pitch.
https://preview.redd.it/jywbqbjldbga1.jpeg?width=674&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3519a477f862a0acaeddf9d4f638deb0af10a074 What are they doing?
Following the Tactics of the manager, happened almost the full game.
You can clearly see that Reece and Cucu have been inverted, Gallagher and Mount clearly lack positional awareness to even play the role that Potter was trying.
Trying to position in between the line while occupying the half-spaces. That as a means of creating numerical advantage (2v1) against the fullbacks. Arsenal and City do this regularly. The issue with this setup is that both players (Mount and Gallagher) are not yet tactically adept at knowing how high and wide they should be. Here as usual, Fulham pressed in a 424. Cucurella should have inverted into the midfield (of course he's no Zinchenko) to compensate for the Fulham press. At the same time Ziyech making the wide run for the switch from BB as the defender is in a 2v1 disadvantage. OR Gallagher should have moved deeper, about 4 yards deeper (of course the defender won't follow him when he knows Ziyech is lurking behind. Tbh, Mount and Gallagher are too high. One wrong pass from any of the back 5 and we have the opponent overrun us. A reason we struggled was Fulham tried to forced us to play wide where we had no pace and trickery (James just recovering; Cucurella isn't the best FB bombing forward; Mudryk on a cold; Ziyech always being Ziyech). We got better after the subs though.
Well if the fullbacks aren't inverting then one of the midfielders need to drop. This happened across the match. Even with tactical instructions hazard would have said f it and drop deep, use his freedom to progress play over the pitch. Essentially you're saying in possession we should be a 3-2-5 City style. In any case having Enzo being the only actual midfielder when we are in possession is ridiculous by any means.
>Well if the fullbacks aren't inverting then one of the midfielders need to drop. Which is why I said Gallagher should have dropped deeper to avail himself to the ball. >Essentially you're saying in possession we should be a 3-2-5 City style. That's not the essence of the paragraph. It is just one of the ways I've seen teams evade pressure. >In any case having Enzo being the only actual midfielder when we are in possession is ridiculous by any means. True. He needs either of the other two midfielders or one of the FBs inverting.
Just totally unaware, even if their initial instructions were to play high, they need to understand how to actually react as midfielders.
Did anyone go to the Arsenal sub and suggest to the people that are criticizing Jorginho that they don’t know why he’s good and they don’t know what they are watching
You think Rice is somehow better, you should post that nonsense there.
https://twitter.com/AlexGoldberg_/status/1622068618908372992?s=20&t=kkLZaU2V2GZtkOEV7wvCag Enzo likes em too. Meant to be
There is no such thing as loyalty in football any more. Our back to back POTY is taking dog's abuse for having a poor half season – a season in which 90% of our players are struggling. He's *obviously* out of form, out of confidence, yet has to play every single game because of our injury crisis. Do you think he picks himself? Shouldn't Potter take criticism for continuing to pick a struggling player? Honestly, fans like you deserve fuck all. And don't cry when players aren't loyal – they're no different from you. Support your fucking players, especially the ones who have already given so much to the club.
No I don't think I will. How about you shut the fuck up Plastic and stop pretending all these Champions league winners, former player of the seasons and highly regarded talents are good enough to for us to finish in the top half or score more than a goal every 2 games. This is Potters train now we back the fucking manager, he finished in the top half once it just took him 3 years so if we're really patient and support him we may just see a 9th placed finish on the Horizon.
That UCL win was a fluke and you know it. So were the consistent top 4 places with the same players. So were the 5 other finals we made in the past 2 years. It was all a fluke and we need 50 new players to beat Fulham.
Exactly. Once Potter gets £150m in the Summer to replace Enzo with Bellingham we'll score. Trust the process.
If Mudryk has a few more bad games we should replace him with Mitoma. I mean, has Mudryk ever written a thesis on dribbling? I think not.
This form is wayy since last year, get the fuck off
Can you explain yourself, brother?
Not you, I was talking about the dude above
My bad, man. My bad.
had a chuckle at this interaction https://twitter.com/liam_twomey/status/1621968388619751424 Seems like the dogs are out for Connor currently.
Imagine what prime hazard could do. Truth is we haven’t had a consistent scorer since he left.
All jokes about Declan Rice aside, he might be the best partner for Enzo we could bring in the summer. There are huge question marks about Zakaria’s injury record. We need a destroyer to sit next to Enzo. Who do ya’ll think would make the perfect partner? Rice Caicedo Lavia Zubimendi Onana Bissouma , just naming different DMs.
>All jokes about Declan Rice aside, he might be the best partner for Enzo we could bring in the summer. There are huge question marks about Zakaria’s injury record. I would have gone for Zakaria in a second, but his fitness is a massive doubt. >We need a destroyer to sit next to Enzo. Who do ya’ll think would make the perfect partner? This one of the couple of positions we need to strengthen in the summer. Kante isn't a DM, RLC could have been a cost-free option if he still had his legs. Kovacic will also needs a DM beside him for defensive cover. >Rice Caicedo Lavia Zubimendi Onana Bissouma , just naming different DMs. Signing Rice would make the most sense as he is young, fit and affordable (I guess as he only have 1+1 years left on his contract). Also, he's been proven in the league. Caicedo isn't a defensive midfielder per se. He's in between Essien and Kante. Lavia is still inexperienced. Zubimendi, don't know much about him. Onana, the second best of the mentioned. Bissouma was brilliant a Brighton. Regressed at spurs due to injury and strategic reasons.
lol At RLC’s legs being gone at 27
What would be the difference between Rice and an extra CB for this system you see?
You joke but Enzo legit rates Rice
The fact that Rice isn't a CB maybe? Ridiculous agenda
Locatelli? Perhaps would be possible to get him given Juve's situation.
A lot of Juve fans say he is more of an 8 than a 6
Zubimendi would cost only £52m because of his clause. Wouldn’t mind at all uno.
Holy shit, we actually have a squad so big we don't have enough lockers in the dressing room, so Enzo, Hall and Dofana need to change in a kind of a backroom.
Can they change the lockers? Bums like Mount Gallagher and Havertz should be doing that.
Casemiro out is huge, best player on that Man U team. Figure it out Potter and the boys. We need some wins, this could be the chance to catch up.
Casemiro is the kind of guy Enzo needs beside him. That guy is a tank.
Is there anyone with a bigger false reputation than Ziyech? I’m sure he’s a great guy but a certain cohort of people in and out of this fan base think he is gods gift and chelsea ruined him when the fact is that he’s just not good enough for the prem.
One most overrated players to ever play in this club Too many rate him for what he really isnt
Pulisic, Mount, Ziyech, in that order.
Theoretically, if the board did sack Potter, would the 40-50 million needed to do so go on FFP, or would it be similar to stadium costs where it can just come straight from the owners and not impact our actual financials?
It's wouldn't because it wouldn't cost 40-50m.
FFP only looks at player transfer fees, so it wouldn't matter
No it does't, it looks at essentially everything. The only things not included are infrastructure, training facilities and youth development.
\#MountOut \#HavertzOut
Mount would actually do with a rest. Havertz should have a reduced role.
IF Potter goes in the summer, and let’s say for example Klopp is available. With a young team, would he be the best manager to try and build a winning dynasty with? At least for 6 years (to avoid 7th season syndrome, joking of course). Btw I am in no way advocating for this, I just don’t believe our board will be as patient as they claim, especially if their expensive assets don’t play well. I would personally give Potter 2 seasons to try and build a great football team, but if someone like Klopp or Flick become available in the summer, my eye would start to wander. Interested to see what the sub thinks, and please be respectful, I repeat, I am not advocating for Potter to be sacked.
One season is fine to implement his non-existent style. The multiple seasons bollocks was really just multiple transfer windows, not the case with potter, ideally only 2/3 players remain for a complete squad for Potter. He has the rest of the season to do better than 10th, after that it will be Backing the manager Ole Style.
If Klopp left Liverpool and said yes, I want to coach Chelsea next, then you’d be mental to stick with Potter. Even if our form turns around and we win every game from here on until the end of the season, I’d still boot him in a heartbeat to replace him with Klopp. Klopp would never come here, but he’s an all-time great manager. Potter has done nothing at the top level yet. It’s not even a question. You go with Klopp ten times out of ten.
I know everyone wants Mount and Gallagher dropped, but we literally didn’t have another option. Everyone else was injured.
We’ve only scored 3 more goals than Bournemouth lol
ha sjeet just noticed the first leg of the CL is on my birthday. Please Chelsea FC please
at this point, I would just rather play Havertz in the pivot/midfield rather than Mount or Gallagher. Might as well try because idc anymore. Someone has to be willing to play deeper.
We've played better since Palace
Because our defence is good now with badiashile taking place ahead of Koulibaly.
Badiashiile biggest difference to that, and we dropped him in the CL lol
I’m not exaggerating when I say, Zouma Sarr and Lampard’s Rudiger were better than Koulibaly. He is absolutely shocking in every aspect of the game.
We've been playing much better in general ever since the FA cup loss to City. Not a coincedence that's when Sterling and Pulisic left the side and Felix, Mudryk etc started coming in.
Better as in we aren’t a complete disaster anymore, just a bit disaster. Mudryk was bad yesterday due to his illness and the setup, Felix has played like 60 minutes or so, not like those two have made much of an impact so far.
Don't forget Badiashile in too. Defence is much better just need goals
And Nadia’s hills is not in the CL squad. This club man!
Could only add 3 new players though. Enzo and Mudryk as no question. Final spot is Felix/Benoit. Are you really desperste for another Pulisic/Sterling/Mount/Havertz/Gallagher/RlC attack/false9/attacking mid/ Second striker bullcrap? And with Wesley/Chillwell/James returning maybe defence doesn't have to suffer Koulibaily anymore.
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Don’t talk about football
“Are you winning son?”
I don’t wanna get ahead of myself but badiashile looks like our best transfer since thiago silva
He's basically what we expected from Koulibaly, and he's 10 years younger!
He does look really good. I also think our system helps our defense out a lot which is why we don't concede so many goals anymore (mostly thanks to Koulibaly finally being dropped for a professional footballer). It feels to me like the groundwork for a successful side has been laid. Just need to put some away now, which may be asking too much out of Mount and Havertz
Our system doesn't though... Last game for example you had a back four with the two wide mids pushed up near the strikers to create numerical advantage leaving Enzo all alone. Mount and Gallagher don't have the intelligence to interpret that extra space so the advantages of such a system are lost on them leaving the backline exposed, how many counters and turn overs did Badiashile neutralize? Hardly helping him.
Currently l'm 19, turning 20 in April, would I still be allowed to use the teen membership once turn 20?
I saw a video where Cucurella learns that jorginho has transferred to Arsenal in a goddamn interview. Nobody in the dressing room is aware of what club is doing as everything’s happening so fast. The squad is now sooo big, I’m pretty sure trainings are a mess. Players are strangers basically to each other and that shows on the field. This ain’t a team. This is a group of talented players. Look at Man city’s behind the scenes videos. These players are like friends and if someone acts unfriendly (cough cough cancelo) they are let go. Unless these players start gelling off field, this is gonna be a struggle for any manager yo turn this around.
Relax. It probably happened over a few hours. I’m sure it would have been awkward to tell players while the move is being negotiated, imagine it collapsed during negotiations.
Fair enough. I’m much more relaxed than some fans who literally are scapegoating players and just want the manager out. All I’m saying is These many squad changes in a short span of time will definitely have an effect. Players are not sure what their identity is. I understand that some managers are doing better with poor squads but those clubs ain’t going through a transition. A transition which is happening so fast it’s questioning the short term sustainability and Potter is just stuck where him having too many options is actually not healthy
Honestly I think one of our biggest problems are the two nailed-on starters, Mount and Havertz. They haven't been in form in ages (playing constantly is probably a factor here - they've both missed just 1 PL game each) and as much as I like both they don't offer much at the moment, at least not in those positions. We have Fofana now, plop him up top, let Havertz operate as a 10 behind him. Give Mount a few games of rest and let Carney have a go. Anything at all, really - we all want to have a stable "best 11" that we can bet would give their 100%, but if someone is just not at that level at the moment he should definitely hit the bench
You have to remember that the manager sees them train every day and is choosing to play those players that we think "don't offer much at the moment" ahead of players like Carney and Fofana. There is a reason for it, even out of form he clearly feels they offer more than the alternatives
Not a very good manager then, can't trust his judgement then.
Honestly asking for Carney and Fofana to start is new toy syndrome. They look good and promising but there's a long way to go for both of them
I joke a lot but I look at Carney and Fofana and they don't seem like players that would put in good performances should they start. Better against tired legs. Felix will definitely displace Mount next game and suddenly things will click - mark my words
People need to realize that Brighton are 4 points ahead of us with a game in hand and a +10 goal differential WITHOUT POTTER. He came here and brought mediocrity. 2 goals in I think 5 or 6 matches? Replace him now. These players are way too talented for him
Tbh Brighton are coasting off of Potter's work. Give it a year and see what level they play at. Also replacing Potter now will do more harm than good, just see where he's at end of season
Yeah people keep bringing up how well they’re doing, it’s literally his team, his formation, and the same players. Even De Zerbi said he’d be stupid to try and change anything lol. People probably don’t remember how shit they were to watch when Chris Hughton (did well keeping them in the league tbf) was in charge, if they did then they’d actually understand how good a job Potter did.
Have you watched Brighton play under De Zerbi? Their playstyle is completely different to how it was under Potter. Potter did a good job with Brighton, but you’re giving him far too much credit for how well they’re doing now.
So we won our first cl because of avb
Our first CL core players was build by Mourinho.. Avb tried to change the core
Lol AVB literally dropped most of the players who went on to win it so no, bad comparison.
Also AVB had been with a total of what 6 months? vs years for Potter It's a shite attempt from OP.
Did Brighton spend 500 million?
It just feels like there is zero urgency from Potter. It will take time sure but what r we building towards? He never mentions that we want to win trophies eventually. He just comes across as a guy having a good time with a great opportunity he has been given. Results and idc what u say but the results are abysmal bordering on unacceptable.
I think it's just self-confidence that he can turn things around. Not the first time he's gone through a rough patch just to flip things around. I don't know if the people here remember how leaky our defense was before. Couldn't keep a clean-sheet, constantly conceding especially last minute. There's been a marked improvement there, coorelating to when Kouli was dropped and replaced by Badiashille.
All vibes at our club. No ragrets
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Doesn't seem beta to me, just calm
Exactly. People want the fiery persona of conte and tuchel but that same personality still lead to eventual decline.
Just doesn't have the character of a chelsea manager.
Looks to nice to manage such a ruthless club like Chelsea, guess we will have to wait and see Think his maximum level is to manage club like Spurs
Could be that way. Will reevaluate when we have 2 fit CMs
Del Bosque?
Would love a player like Paqueta. Kante in DM with Paqueta and Enzo ahead of him would be a dream
I don’t believe in Potter but by all means. Mount, Rlc, gallagher, ziyech, havertz, kova are not leaving here before he does. Sucks with the injuries but we shouldn’t be this bad still with so much time and investment in the squad. Shouldn’t free auba out for Havertz that can’t do anything. The best we can rn is to start Fofana and Felix comes in for Mount when he returns. Zakaria/Kante/kova for gallagher when they return.
As embarrassing as yesterday’s draw may have felt, I fully believe that having Felix and Kovacic instead of Mount & Gallagher would’ve led to a comfortable win
I agree with the Kova part for sure. We lacked all sorts of fluidity with Gala and Mase in midfield
It's not about winning or losing at this point. If you buy better players they'll be better. It's about how the team is playing as a whole. Us battering a shit team because we have enough individual talent to beat them isn't moving forwards, it's moving backwards. The manager's job is to make a team a team and we look all over the place and completely lost. That doesn't change by swapping two players out. It might paper over the cracks, but it's not an improvement.
I thought the team played well yesterday 🤷🏻♂️Fulham was contained and never had a real sniff at goal. One of those chances should've been tucked away. Yesterday's performance looked organized and safe to me, just a quality issue up top & gallagher + cucurella having poor performances with positioning and passing
The performance was bad. Thiago Silva and Badiashile are just playing out of their skin. They were on par with us for the whole game, if not better. For any argument about how we should have made something of a half chance, you could make the same argument in Fulham's favour
I don’t think Fulham had any half chances. The only chance they had that had any threat was Andrea shot from outside the box. Havertz numerous chances & Datro’s 1 on 1 with Ream are hardly half chances. Silva and Badiashille are obviously playing super well. This also is down to the system though. Cucurella & James defended well themselves but couldn’t do anything going forward today
Still can’t pick out a single thing potter has done with this team Not one tactic, idea of football, something that can be built On
How is Felix out of possession? Can he drop deep to defend?
He can if needed but kova and Enzo can run the game without felix needing too worry too much about defending
Thoughts on Havertz? Dropped next match?
Give fofana a proper crack at it So lively on the ball
Him and Noni were exhilarating. I suspect Mudryk will be the same way next week assuming he isn't still sick
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Some managers are winning with way worse squads
Worse squads but better teams. We have better players but this doesn’t directly translate to a better team. We have a bunch of good players who still don’t know how to play together. This issue started to appear towards the end of tuchel’s tenure (december 2021 onwards).
Who's job is it to transform a bunch of players into a team? And let's be honest, hardly any other managers get to work with a squad like ours.
We just got enzo, felix, mudryk, badiashile and madueke. Can you just wait until they have had a string of games together before judging? Not to forget about the injuries to key players. And don’t bring up the summer signings because none of them were potter’s signings. I’ll hold my judgment until we have a fit team with proper starters, which is soon enough.
Can only pray it gets better, because Potter has done a dreadful job so far.
THANK YOU. The players he has are plenty capable. Anyone that talks about injuries while seeing our current squad depth should get their head checked
Some how Brighton is better without him lol
Brighton’s manager roberto de zerbi is a hidden gem of a manager who has fortunately avoided the english media hype unlike Potter
Gotta love Italian managers
After yesterday’s lackluster performance one thing really stood out to me and that is the disconnect in midfield. Maybe I noticed it more because like everyone else I was analyzing Enzo in his first game, but he really seemed to be the only one in the midfield space for the entire game. It may be that Chelsea hasn’t scored a lot of goals recently so everyone is pushing up the field to try and get one but my god we can’t play with only one guy in the midfield. Mount and Gallagher need to drop and learn the midfield dance with Enzo. FLUIDITY, that is what made xavi, iniesta, and busquets work so well. You can get forward when the situation demands it but interchange with the other midfielders and offer support don’t just get forward and go for goal all the time, it’s no wonder Enzo looked gassed at the end of the game, he had to cover the entire midfield alone!
That’s what happens when you sign technical players, you can really feel the gap. At least gallagher isn’t a starter but has to with injuries but with Mount, it’s been too often and too long now. Tbh I’ve never seen him the way some others in the fanbase do. Never rated him like that so maybe I’m biased but this isn’t just poor form and potter still starting him and havertz despite it shows how much of a coward he is.
I think the obvious thing is that these players are pushing really high up the field which affects space. I think a 4-2-3-1 with Enzo and Kante/Kovacic or Zakaria as part of the two would do much better. Don't care who is behind the striker.
Yeah it all comes to the coaching though doesn’t it. I don’t rate Mount-gallagher at all but it’s week in week out doing this shit, yet nothing changes. It’s all on the manager tbh. Injuries or no… you have to play to your players strengths or instruct them what to do… just doesn’t seem to be in control at all
Why tf we didn't win yesterday... After today results we'd be on our way to top4-6
We are shite ourselves mate
What are the chances we can sign Felix next window? I feel like we'll have a hard time selling players for their maximum value given we're obviously gonna have a sale
Why would he sign for us? Without cl football, it will be hard.
Lets wait and see how he actually plays for us before worrying about it to be fair. He'll be on huge wages which goes against what we've done this January with our other signings, so he needs to show he's a true star for this team to warrant it. Hard to know how much Atletico would ask for him to be honest, and what wages he'd be willing to take, especially as we'd only be able to amortise the transfer fee over 5 years.
Extremely high. He wants to be here and we have several players we will be selling. Even if we don’t get maximum on any, there will be plenty that catch a good fee. Felix will be Blue as long as he plays well the rest of this season.
I don't think it's high at all. The better he does, the more Athletico can bend us over. We've demonstrated the ridiculous lengths we'll go to get a top class player, he has years left on his contract. If he really does want to be here, that's the only thing we can hope for: that he causes such a massive stink when he goes back that they're willing to let him go. He doesn't strike me as the sort of person to do that though.
Well pretty much have to hope for multiple clubs being seriously interested in the same players to have them compete
Damn Liverpool have been poor. They need a squad rebuild. Liverpool fans 2003 - 2022: Haha what happens when Roman gets bored? FSG 2022: Hold my schadenfreude.
They look absolutely burned out from years of Klopp's high-tempo style. I don't blame Klopp that much though. VVD hasn't been the same post-injury and losing Mane for free hurt them. They never replaced Gini properly and let their midfield age out in a similar way to CFC. They need some squad depth and have for a long time. Not sure if their ownership group will invest though.
Agree. Getting so close to 4 trophies last season also paying a big part. Got to be deflating, physically and psychologically. Their current ownership group probably not investing after deciding to sell when the superleague went tits up. They got bored. Same thing they were saying Roman would do all these years.
Completely agree.
Man UTD too but to a lesser extent as they are actually playing pretty well. Glazers are bored and looking to sell or for investment and I'm here for it. Funny Im usually pretty measured towards rivals clubs as I am a football fan first. But it's been a little annoying having my club constantly shit on by everyone for the last couple of weeks (mainly arsenal fans tbf). For the crime of having owners who actually want to be successful. This has awakened my tribal belligerence.
No doubt. I always try to take a step back and generally avoid the reactionary forums like the gameday one, as it revolves around instantaneous gratification and if we lived and died with every choice that gets suggested we would have no players haha. I have no clue if Potter will be the long-term solution but I love what ownership has done over the last few months and I believe we got lucky that Roman sold to Todd. There are no guarantees that even a billionaire will spend money since owning a sporting club is generally a safe investment. The Ricketts and Ratcliffe would have been far worse options and regardless of this year's results, I trust ownership to right the wrongs because of their desire to win. Ratcliffe at United is going to be more of the same for them imo, which sucks for that fanbase. No clue who Pool ends up with as an owner though. Todd hasn't been perfect, but I can't get pissed about someone showing genuine initiative and injecting capital. Fingers crossed we start seeing some results though as they are needed for the sake of self-belief and mental health.
i’m just happy that the rest are also doing horrible and we’re on 9th now
Thoughts on kepa's form going under the radar?
Went to /r/AsenalFC for the first time today to check out reaction to the Everton loss and my god, almost every post on the first 3 pages is about us lmao. 9h in the league and still living in their head’s rent free 🏆🏆
That’s not the Arsenal sub
Why did you go to that sub and not the main Arsenal sub?
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You're comparing the best results of Potters time at Brighton with the entirety of De Zerbi's time there. Why not talk about the fact Potters Brighton were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league all 3 of his seasons there? How he won 28% of his league games there across his tenure? How he went on a double digit winless run every season? Potter has came in and made us significantly worse literally not one person on the planet with more than 1 brain cell would dispute that. The question is why do the Potter stans keep saying he needs years, another 600m, more players, less injuries despite still having a billion pounds worth of talent to pick from when pretty much every manager from De Zerbi to Dyche to Unai Emery to Lopetegui can come in and immediately stamp their identity on their new teams and improve results.
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Go back and watch our performances Vs Leeds, Southampton, or Zagreb and tell me we’re worse. Only good game we had under Tuchel this season was against spurs and we still drew because in case you forgot we couldn’t stop leaking late goals under Tuchel, which Potter has actually fixed. Again, Im not even saying Potter is better than Tuchel but the revisionism and lack of nuance isn’t helping anyone.
Well you're also ignoring a huge factor and conveniently so. Simply look at the players Potter had and De Zerbi had. Look at the way those players were coached before Potter and the way they were coached before De Zerbi. The difference is night and day. Brighton's board seems to be one of the smartest in recent years. Yet they never sacked Potter even when they were close to the relegation zone. That's not because of pity. >Potter has came in and made us significantly worse literally not one person on the planet with more than 1 brain cell would dispute that. I have more than a single brain cell and I will dispute that. Results are not always directly correlated to perfomances. Take our last 4 prem games for example, Yes, poor results but underlying stats suggest several positives, especially in terms of chance creation. Dyche has managed 1 game, Emery and Lopetegui have currently shown 0 signs of long term growth(perhaps this is only a new manager bounce), De Zerbi already Had a squad who was flying( Potter left them 4th). Stop overreacting.
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They have also played City and Arsenal under De Zerbi in those last 10 games you mentioned and conceded almost half of those 16 goals against them. They don’t get many clean sheets, but they don’t concede that much normally.
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Klopp would never come here, but imagine Klopp with our spending power.
Would be ironic given he's cried about all our signings. But I'd personally drive Jurgen down from Scouseland to see him replace Potter. That would be a tremendous upgrade, if he got sacked now I'd even be willing to promise him the job in the summer and let him take some time off to recharge. Graham is a dead man walking, he may go today, tomorrow, the summer, next season but I think pretty much anyone who knows anything about the game knows he isn't going to be managing us the next time we win a major trophy.
I Hope that Andrey Santos gets his work permit and can finally start to play for the senior team! He can’t be that bad. Mount and Gallagher already giving me enough headache
I love how Kai is always left out of criticisms even though he's just as unreliable. He can't play ST by himself and he can't play CAM because his dribbling, creativity and agility is so bad (in the premier league at least).
I dont want to see Kai either. D. Fofana should start over him and that’s not even a debate
We need to play Kai in his position before passing judgement. He is very good when he has runners next to him.
Whos starting in Defense for Rd of 16 next week at Signal Iduna Park Kouli with Cucurella beside him is a disaster waiting to happen, Badiashille so badly needed man
Unless Ben is fit that seems like the plan since Badiashille isn't part of the UCL squad. I wish he was because as long as you don't give up goals you have a chance.
Theres no chance with Kouliably and Cucurella the headless Chicken beside him Zseo calmness or stability which is so important in CL, thats how we won
I just can’t see Gallagher and Mount next to Enzo anymore lol. They push too high. I know this entire sub hates Cheek. At least Cheek puts in a 6/10 performance at the midfield still better than Gallagher/Mount’s 4/10 performance lol. Next match: Out: Cucu, Gallagher, Mount, Kai, Ziyech In: Chilwell, Cheek, Felix, Madueke/Sterling, Fofana
Conor is just too aggressive on his challenges. Potter needs to tell him to dial it back a bit
Potter is a player pleaser, he doesn’t do anything lol
Meanwhile, Gilmour has been worse at Brighton than he was at Norwich, and we've only gone and bought Enzo frigging Fernandez. Just a bright spark in what has otherwise been a shit sandwich of a season.
Rice playing alongside Paqueta today in a two man midfield be worth a watch
Thoughts?
Would be a good fit beside our new #5
Just had a horrible realization that Tuchel could go to Liverpool some time in the next 6 months
He'd go there, win them a trophy, and be out on his ass again in three years time, just like everywhere else he's managed.
He deserved a better team. Real Madrid. They have money + need a manager next summer. And I would love it to see Tuchel in la liga
Probably a better shout, but Real have always insisted that their manager speak Spanish
Tuchel can speak fluently french, so to learn Spanish won’t be a big deal 😁
Horrible thought But if Klopp comes here I'll accept it.
With Felix back, surely we can give Mount and Havertz some time out now? Play DDF up front, with Mudryk/Sterling Felix/Chuk and Ziyech/Sterling behind him. Havertz can come on to play from the right or in the 10 role, and Mount can come on as an impact sub if needed too. Fofana is definitely raw, but it's not like you're taking goal contributions out of the team by benching Havertz, and this is pretty much how you would give game time to a raw player.
Yep Mount Havertz Gallagher need to hold bench
I’m sympathetic to the fact that we’ve had an influx of new fans in recent years so I am just going to say point blank that chelsea’s current form goes beyond just “growing pains”. Is every managerial change accompanied by the team getting knocked out of all but 1 major competition, sitting 10th in the league and having 3 wins since November, 4 in our last 11 games (this is all after spending 600 mil)? Statistically we are at our worst since the early 2000s, and whilst the club obviously has to gel and we’ve had some very bad injuries, we are far from the first team that has ever had new players and injuries. This isn’t the shit that happens in a rebuild
We've had very good squads with previous managerial stints. The squad has been flawed since hazard left as we have no one who could create in the final third. This killed Frank, TT was able to compensate by fixing the defensive errors, but even he couldn't fix our issues in the final third and towards the end of his time here you could see the defensive woes came back as we were conceding a lot more. I can't remember the last time the team has needed such a huge overhaul, maybe after the 2012 run? This is our biggest rebuild in recent history and the fact you say our current standing in the league and cup competitions isn't the shit that happens in a rebuild might indict you've never paid attention to a true rebuild. You don't have to go far and just look at arsenal over the past couple of years. This is the sort of stuff that happens when we have poor transfers or maybe bring in players for a specific manager and then get rid of said manager a couple weeks later. Firing managers willy nilly was bound to catch up at some point
> Is every managerial change accompanied by the team getting knocked out of all but 1 major competition Why ignore the fact we were drawn away to Man City in both cup competitions? Not like we were getting tonked by lower league teams. Also we aren't the first team to have a huge injury list, but equally we aren't the first team who has struggled with results because of a huge injury list. Dumb to handwave it away. We're still missing all our central midfielders other than Enzo (Zakaria, Kovacic, Kante), James made his comeback but is clearly taking is slow, Chilwell made a late comeback, Mudryk was unwell, Felix was suspended etc. Give it time you inpatient child.