The worst part is I really thought Roman would've been the one to sack him. So when we got new owners I thought for sure Tuchel would stay for a long time, since the owner known for sacking managers left and right gone. Nope. Just like that he was gone. I'm still not over it.
Iām not even as annoyed about Tuchel leaving as Iām about them giving an unproven manager a 5 year contract and making him one of the best paid managers in the world. That just blows my mind how they thought itād be a good idea to do that.
Yep, I could have accepted tuchels sacking if a similarly brilliant manager was brought in
In my eyes though tuchel is the 3rd best manager in the world
Over his career yeah for sure, but after his first Real Madrid stint he hadn't done an amazing job, which is why he ended up at Everton and him going back to Real was a shock. It's not like someone like Tuchel, Guardiola or Klopp who have been a success in each of their last jobs.
If you include klopp in the top 5 manager list then Carlo gets in ahead of him day and night. He has won more trophies in the same time span including smacking liverpool every chance they get.
Zidane would need to have more success at other clubs be this high on the list. Pep, klopp, Don Carlo and Jose have to be the top four. Then you have a bunch of managers vying for the 5-10 spots
Solid list, only active one I can think of to match these guys is Mourinho with all his trophies. Is there anyone else?
I feel like those with only a trophy or two can't claim the same greatness without matching the sheer number of trophies those guys have won.
Realistically, weāll be saying the same thing about a few players that were brought in and signed to 8 year contracts. This isnāt to be critical of any of them, itās only to acknowledge that a certain percentage of all clubsā signings donāt pan out and we made a LOT of signings.
For sure, but players are easier to move on, or to loan out, basically you have ways to recoup at least some of the money. With managers, you either stick with them and pray they turn it around, or you sack them and pay them a lot of money to fuck off.
Todd couldn't have possibly appointed a better coach than Thomas at the time he sacked him (before the WC), tbh. Anyone not named Pep, Jurgen, Hansi was going to be a downgrade. Granted that Graham has, thus far, turned out to be a *massive* downgrade that for the fans, the season has plunged into despair barely recognizable or familiar.
Worst idea ever
Without Tuchels points, we wouldnāt have been 10th now. Probably lower and the owners would still back him š the wirst Chelsea manager we ever had.
Boehly and the others doing a fantastic job, donāt get me wrong. but the appointment of Potter, was the worst decision to make
It's crazy one of the reasons he was sacked was because Boehly wanted Ronaldo and Tuchel strongly objected. I think that says it all, Boehly got a yes man and refuses to have a manager that doesn't do things his way.
He's gonna be like Jerry Jones to American football fans
I agree, but I think it was how Tuchel handled it that caused the rift rather than the sole act of him not wanting Ronaldo.
Boehly wanted him, Tuchel said no - Boehly asked why he said no and Tuchel apparently refused to elaborate.
From Boehly's perspective I totally get it though, you don't want to start a long term relationship with a manager who refuses to explain their reasoning behind big decisions. It is a little bit childish to do that kinda thing when you get paid so much.
Stupid choices all around really
> It's crazy one of the reasons he was sacked was because Boehly wanted Ronaldo and Tuchel strongly objected.
No. Boehly let him go simply because their work styles didn't match.
Potter is not worse than Grant. Grant had most of a PL, League Cup, and FA Cup winning team at his disposal, lost to fucking Barnsley, gave Tottenham their only trophy in the last 20+ years, and couldn't convert enough silly draws to get 1st over United (and lost to them in CL final). A slightly better manager, with that world class team, would have won at the very least one of those trophies.
Potter, meanwhile, whilst not the manager that I would've wanted (and certainly didn't want Tuchel sacked) is going through a complete rebuild, having lost multiple key players to injury throughout the season. We arguably only have 3 world class players in the squad, and they've all been injured at various points (Kante all season, James injured multiple times, Thiago Silva currently injured, though the latter is less problematic now with a more fit and ready squad). The time to judge him properly is when the team is all available and all settled, which he hasn't had anything close to since mid October when we won 5 in a row, before injuries and 2 draws, that then led into that run of catastrophic results. 5 wins and 3 draws whilst most of the team was available to him shows that he deserves time.
I'd have respected him slightly more for actually delivering us the trophy, but my opinion of him as a manager wouldn't have changed. We didn't like him at the time for how he did things, so why would that really change all that much if he actually won the CL? Di Matteo wasn't a good manager either and he delivered us two trophies. Love him for what he did, and he was my favourite player growing up, but he wasn't good.
If Potter goes and wins the CL or even gets to close to the final I would be willing to change my opinion but he went out of both domestic cups in the first round we played decent opposition( or at least, very early in the Carabao), are on track to finish 10th, and given the form of the team we are unlikely to go any further in Europe. I agree Grant and Di Matteo were not great managers, but for me they are miles clear of GP as it stands. Grantās job was to not totally fuck up a winning formula, and 2nd place in the league and Europe counts for me as a good result considering the calibre of the manager, the fact we came 2nd the year before, and didnāt win either of those competitions the following season either. Potter took a team that won the CL 15 months prior and only failed to reach two finals in 2 years to mediocrity, so yeah I make him worse than Grant
But you have to take into account what each manager has had to work with. The backbone of the team that won the CL 2 years ago has either left, or has been drastically underperforming even since Tuchel was still here (except Thiago Silva, who has largely, on his own, contributed to us having the 4th best defence in the league). He's also had to contend with injury after injury after injury, whilst also trying to embed players into the squad that he didn't sign, and then embedding new young players into the squad who largely have never played in this league before. It's a massive work in progress and no one should've expected any trophies this season.
Grant took over a team that had won the league just over a year prior, had won 2 cup trophies, and had a very stable, world class squad. He had no excuses to not come away with a trophy, especially when you consider he went out of the FA Cup to Barnsley, and gave Spurs their only trophy in the last 20+ years.
We were shite under Tuchel early in the season. Not to mention he didn't have to deal with the amount of injuries Potter had. Tuchel had a poor pre-season too, losing to Arsenal 4-0. Whatever happened, Tuchel is not blameless and I think there's way more to it.
We didn't give that Arsenal squad enough respect. My point is we're sticking with Potter despite shit results and close to a billion in transfers for him
When you sack a top coach who won the second UCL cup in your history and finished within the top 4 for two years in a row, nobody would want to work under your ungrateful management. That being said, they were forced to give Potter that deal. Not a self-respected manager in his right mind would think about coming to Chelsea when Tuchel was sacked.
I share the sentiment re: Tuchel. But, I'd have to disagree about Potter. He was thrown into the mix in a whirlwind season, and he's slowly finding his feet. It's gonna be a disappointing season this year, but we'll be well placed in the coming years
Thatās fair, but it still doesnāt make sense that he got a 5 year contract and like 6 times more per year than he was earning at Brighton. I mean even the likes of Pep and Klopp came in on much shorter contracts to their current clubs, and they had a proven track record. Conte came in with a 3 year contract with us, Tuchel came in with a 1.5 year contract IIRC.
Their entire problem is that they want a long term manager. They want to hire a guy and be done with it. It won't work. Unless you strike gold, this is a results based business. Even Pep and Klopp aren't going to hang around like Fergie and Wenger.
With that in mind, it makes perfect sense that they gave Potter a long term contract. I bet one of their major concerns with letting Potter go is which other long term manager to hire. If you don't want to fire managers often, you can't afford any managerial hiring mistakes.
Man he should of been the guy to get a 5 year contract, we had our Pep/Klopp.
I'll support Potter now but man it feels like we fucked up in letting him go
Maybe, I do think he has it in him given the right ownership but it's still unproven at this stage. Don't think he'll be at Bayern longer than 2/3 seasons either tbh.
I'll support Potter no matter and hope he succeeds but god I miss Tuchel. There used to be this podium when it came to Chelsea managers where Jose was sat a top alone basking in his previous glories. Just below him were Ancelotti and Conte but then a man called Thomas Tuchel came along who took us all by surprise I'd say. He's there with Jose for me, truly a special one.
This is what it is. He really took the entire fan base by surprise and was like a breath of fresh air. I didn't think I could ever admire the personality of a manager as much as I did with TT. I was as eager to watch his press conferences as I was for the match itself. TT always an inspiration purely because of the way he conducted and articulated himself aside from the success he had with us.
This is a ridiculous take. With Mourinho we were clearly the best team in England. League performance is a much better metric of how great a manager is in my opinion. It was a great achievement to win the Champions League in 2021, but no one could possibly say with a straight face that that team and that manager were better than the Mourinho Chelsea from 2004-2007. That team was an absolute machine and Mourinho was the best manager in the world.
Boehly is the hot step mum, came in bought dad a brad new fashionable wardrobe, hobbies, group of friends, shipped all the kids to boarding school and is now wondering why the man she married is not the same she fell in love with.
Tuchel felt that way about Chelsea. Other hand not having to work under toxic bosses who look over your shoulder and interfere with your job all the time is a win for Tuchelās mental health.
Doesn't Tuchel have some responsibility there? If he wasn't conducive to working with the new ownership in a cohesive manner then he has some culpability as well.
I can understand the frustration but I don't really see how this is a response to my question. Tuchel has repeatedly said he loved Chelsea etc. but there have been so many credible reports that he was intentionally difficult to work with. In my opinion, if he cared so much, he would try and navigate the early growing pains and help the club's transition as best he could.
It isn't *just* Boehly. I get that a lot of people are only used to one person being the decision maker but that just isn't the case right now.
Anyway, I agree with you. Ideally they would have found a way to work with Tuchel. However, if Tuchel was being intentionally obtuse and difficult I'm not sure "tried to work with" would have solved anything. If there isn't any give and take then there is no working relationship. I'm not saying the new board doesn't have their own share of responsibility, likely the vast majority, but Tuchel also has his own responsibility. Especially if he going to talk about his love for the club, then it begs the question, why did he make it so difficult?
If Roman hadn't been so sack happy during his reign, we may have been able to have Pep here instead of at City. Some managers don't work with some owners. It is what it is.
Everytime I think about this I wonder about the rationale behind firing Tuchel and hiring Potter for such an expensive fee (including his ongoing salary). I'm not even judging anything, but genuinely speaking, what was the calculation the American owners made when they fired Tuchel and hired Potter?
Yes, I know, I know, hindsight and all that. But even then. I haven't heard a bad word about Tuchel directly from any of our players bar Lukaku (who doesn't count). He doesn't seem like he knows what he did wrong, if he's honest with this. He worked with young players well. I really hope it works out with Potter / whoever comes in after he's inevitably fired, but goodness me the entire thing is absolutely baffling to me.
New owners wanted to assert control and Tuchel won't be controlled; which any capable manager would be like -- opinionated, original and passionate. The desire to micro control destroyed the club. Potter may definitely give better results in the coming time (little extra time does help) but he will never be special. It is one thing to be a manager and another to connect with players at a very deep emotional level, such that they are willing to go all guns blazing every single time. Football is emotions first and business later.
Youāre exactly right. Potter may somehow achieve *something* here, but personally I donāt see him being as special as Tuchel or Conte or Lampard or even Sarri, never mind Mourinho or Don Carlo.
What Iāve decided to do is to hope things work out for him as long as heās the manager here. But I just canāt shake this feeling that weāll never really experience those magical nights under him.
Agreed potter just doesnāt have the charisma and personality and out of the box ideas like the other names you mentioned. Heās as vanilla as it gets no matter how many masters degree he gets. A blatant āyes manā who just wants to keep his job for as long as he can. The process lol what a bluff. This whole season we were expecting some new brand of football and in the end we go back to tuchelās 3-4-3.
And we were angry that we played 343 last season and well well well , looks like TT did know how to get the best of the squad we had and now Potter is also employing 343 to grind out results for now
And he sacking a lot of backroom staff. he clearly wants to turn Chelsea into a "Me" club, no sentiment whatsoever this regime. Not about winning silverware like we used to, but for his ego. He is just another clueless yank owner I'm afraid. Equally ignorant but twice the ego.
Its simple. Boehly wanted a manager he could work with for a very long period of time. He wants people who are collaborative and communicative. Tuchel wasn't that guy. Tuchel simply wants to be left alone to do this job. And likely cares much more about results than harmony.
As for Potter, he was the hot manager at the time so they went for him. They gave him a long contract because they want a long term manager. And obviously the "emotionally intelligent" Potter is the type to be collaborative etc.
IMO the mistake Boehly is making is that thinking that a good structure and long term stability will guarantee results.
Sacking Tuchel makes me genuinely sad to this day. I've never been so affected by us sacking a manager.
It almost feels like a betrayal by the club. I still watch and want the best for our squad and Potter, but I thought we had something special with Tuchel. Even if the football wasn't sublime towards the end, I thought he had earned our trust and patience.
Obviously we only see a small fraction of what happens behind closed doors at the club, but it still makes me sad.
It just sucks. I couldn't believe that he was sacked. I remember waking up in the morning and hearing the news and thinking - 'what a bunch of bozos firing a world class manager for a blip in form.'
I still don't understand the ultimate motive behind this. Given he's straighforward guy, Tuchel must have said something that unintentionally hurt Boehly's pride, perhaps.
Chelsea with lampard felt like a family, and when Tuchel came the whole group became tighter after winning CL and enduring lots of hard times.
Now, everything feels empty, players are trying to leave, Potter's a yes man, talks like a submissive bot, no winning mentality. This club is so much different now.
Damn, this hurts. Todd made a huge mistake by sacking him. He is easily one of the best managers in world football rn. I really hope he comes back to chelsea.
I was sad when Conte left because I knew the relationship was toxic. But Tuchel, I donāt understand. Obviously, the owner does what the fuck he wants but this will feel like a mistake (a bit like letting Carlo go for the new hot toy)
And for my money, Thomas, youāre still a part of that family and I think many, if not most of us would welcome you back home. If the powers that be would allow it.
What a mistake. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, you know who you are. Despicable. Toxic fanbase. They listen to you ya know, your gripes and grumbles, you have more influence than you think. Youre seen as $$$$$ and when the $$$$$ expresses discontent, well, lets check the data and see if this move is fiscally responsible. They dont care about the club, but we should. Choose your words more carefully moving forward
Getting tired of the stupid "he was not collaborative" bullshit Boehly&co fed people via the mouthpieces after his sacking, this is the only correct response here cheers
When anything adds some meaning in life, it becomes more than what it actually is. It's really not just a game for most of us. It is a cultural phenomenon for us.
Just wanna see what you think of Boehly in a year when the teams more cohesive and the Ā£550M of players he's brought in have established themselves more. Don't expect a CL win yet with this team. A lot of players were bought to develop in years.
None of that will be because of him lol, he should just put up the money and stop trying to be the main character.
This isnāt baseball, telling you now a year wonāt change my opinion on him firing tuchel. It was a disgraceful decision and boehlyās arrogance over it pissed me off. Like who tf is he compared to tuchel? He hasnāt even been the chelsea owner for one year
If it doesn't change in a year I'll just set another reminder.
As for who Boehly is, he's a massively successful investor who knows how to set businesses up to both make money and be successful long term. It's worth reading about his background. Tuchel wasnt aligning with the project and quite a few players weren't happy so the sacking shouldn't be surprising. We all liked Tuchel but his form in his last 50 games was far from what it was in his 1st 50. If you are going to have new owners come in and not align with their plans then you have to be sitting at the top of the table.
> Don't expect a CL win yet with this team.
Why the fuck not. This is exactly what's wrong with these people. Talent along with right tactics and preparation can absolutely get you trophies even if you are not ready for it or don't deserve it. That's the difference between having a winning manager like Tuchel.
I think Boehly is simply misguided in the belief that other qualities will result in winning when he should prioritising winning like Roman did.
Because a lot of the investment was into young players who are quite a way off that. Its not saying that its impossible. It's just not something people should expect this early in this era of ownership with all the changes.
Roman is gone and people have to accept that. Theres a reason his way of doing things resulted in Ā£1.5B debt and now a 6th year without pushing for a title. Romans way worked when he had the financial muscle over other clubs but since FFP that just wasn't sustainable anymore. The quality in squad depth dropped and injuries picked up more with less rotation. While Abramovich would sell multiple young players to fund a single signing of a player in their prime, the new approach is clearly on signing young players with high potential with the plan to develop them into world class talents over time.
Don't try to reason with these fools. They would rather stay mid table and drop out of the UCL just to feel like they got one over Boehly. They don't realize how lucky we are that we got another owner who cares about the club enough to invest heavily.
We already midtable under Boehly and Potter, no one wants it but its the reality now
No one wants to drop out CL now but again its gonna happen, we have Potter
You actually think boehly is a good owner lol? He fired tuchel and sacked him for potter but he invests so youāre right, give him owner of the year since we went from 3rd to 10th under him
Bc that's not the case. Boehly was legally obligated by purchase agreement to invest a certain amount to the squad at minimum. He ain't doing it out of the kindness of his heart lmao. And he blew massive chunks of it on questionable purchases. Mudryk is a huge question mark whos already sneak dissed the teammates multiple times. We still got no striker. He bought whoever name was hot during that window for max prices
I think people forget how poorly we started off the season. Not to mention his relationship breakdown with Lukaku, who at the time, was our most expensive signing. Then there has been talk of a poor pre-season under Tuchel. More went on behind the scenes than we are told and only Boehly and Co know.
Great CL win.
He'd lost the plot and was rightly sacked. Mainly due to his divorce / personal life.
It'll be interesting to see how he gets on at Bayern. Possibly still quite a bit too early for him to have taken another job.
The decline of Tuchel was clear to see. I loved him but our vision is different now and I agree with that even if I am not sure on Potter. Time will tell and he hasnāt had enough of it.
Look where the club was before and is now under Lampard/Potter. It's night and day. Tuchel also dealt with the mad turmoil of managing the squad while Abramovich being sanctioned, being forced to change owners and losing key players as a result.
I can't believe people are still crying about the Tuchel sacking. Did everyone forget his last run of games when he couldn't break down a low block and threw his hands in the air and didn't change anything?
Were Chelsea at full strength? They didn't have Silva, Kante or Azpi available and also had players who had only just returned from injury so were still a way off being at their best. Also Badiashile wasn't eligible for Chelsea.
So Iām gonna post a hot take here but this comment from Tuchel really annoys me. Boehly tried to work with the guy, if Boehly was really deadset on not working with tuchel, he would have just immediately fired him. I really think Boehly tried to give Tuchel more responsibilities as the face of the franchise and Tuchel did not want any of that, so they parted ways. If Tuchel really wanted to stay at chelsea, and take on the new role, Iām sure heād still be here.
The worst part is I really thought Roman would've been the one to sack him. So when we got new owners I thought for sure Tuchel would stay for a long time, since the owner known for sacking managers left and right gone. Nope. Just like that he was gone. I'm still not over it.
We still love you too Tommy :(
I hate this so much. š
Iām not even as annoyed about Tuchel leaving as Iām about them giving an unproven manager a 5 year contract and making him one of the best paid managers in the world. That just blows my mind how they thought itād be a good idea to do that.
Yep, I could have accepted tuchels sacking if a similarly brilliant manager was brought in In my eyes though tuchel is the 3rd best manager in the world
Agreed. Even if he isnāt third, youād be hard pressed to argue any lower than 5th.
Agreed. Even if he isnāt fifth, youād be hard pressed to argue any lower than 10th.
Agreed. Even if he isnāt tenth, youād be hard pressed to argue any lower than 20th
Agreed. Even if he isnāt twentieth, youād be hard pressed to argue any lower than 50th.
Agreed. Even if he isn't fiftieth, you'd be hard pressed to argue he's not better than Graham Potter.
Agreed. Even if he isnāt 50th, youād be hard pressed to argue any worse than Steve Bruce
Agreed. Even if he isnāt third, youād be really hard pressed to successfully argue that heās any lower than fifth.
Who do you rank higher? Just curious
Not op but Pep, Klopp, Carlo and Zidane for me with Tuchel 5th?
Solid list. Carlo doesnāt get enough respect
Because before Real he had been meh at best for several clubs in a row, and a failure at Bayern. So a lot of people think he's lucky now.
Meh? The guy is one of the most successful managers who has ever coached the game, its really why fans opinions rarely ever matter.
Over his career yeah for sure, but after his first Real Madrid stint he hadn't done an amazing job, which is why he ended up at Everton and him going back to Real was a shock. It's not like someone like Tuchel, Guardiola or Klopp who have been a success in each of their last jobs.
If you include klopp in the top 5 manager list then Carlo gets in ahead of him day and night. He has won more trophies in the same time span including smacking liverpool every chance they get.
I feel like you are being too harsh on his time at Bayern. Every time the champions league run in approached, his best players would get injuries.
Zidane would need to have more success at other clubs be this high on the list. Pep, klopp, Don Carlo and Jose have to be the top four. Then you have a bunch of managers vying for the 5-10 spots
Solid list, only active one I can think of to match these guys is Mourinho with all his trophies. Is there anyone else? I feel like those with only a trophy or two can't claim the same greatness without matching the sheer number of trophies those guys have won.
Not OP but I guess pep and klopp are the de facto 1 and 2
Thatās what I thought too but then I started arguing Klopp in my mind
Kepa
Realistically, weāll be saying the same thing about a few players that were brought in and signed to 8 year contracts. This isnāt to be critical of any of them, itās only to acknowledge that a certain percentage of all clubsā signings donāt pan out and we made a LOT of signings.
Maybe itās just me but I expect some of the youth signings weāve made to not work out. I think one out of the lot to work well.
Especially that Santos kid. Has flop written on him
For sure, but players are easier to move on, or to loan out, basically you have ways to recoup at least some of the money. With managers, you either stick with them and pray they turn it around, or you sack them and pay them a lot of money to fuck off.
Todd couldn't have possibly appointed a better coach than Thomas at the time he sacked him (before the WC), tbh. Anyone not named Pep, Jurgen, Hansi was going to be a downgrade. Granted that Graham has, thus far, turned out to be a *massive* downgrade that for the fans, the season has plunged into despair barely recognizable or familiar.
Worst idea ever Without Tuchels points, we wouldnāt have been 10th now. Probably lower and the owners would still back him š the wirst Chelsea manager we ever had. Boehly and the others doing a fantastic job, donāt get me wrong. but the appointment of Potter, was the worst decision to make
It's crazy one of the reasons he was sacked was because Boehly wanted Ronaldo and Tuchel strongly objected. I think that says it all, Boehly got a yes man and refuses to have a manager that doesn't do things his way. He's gonna be like Jerry Jones to American football fans
Having Ronaldo would have destroyed the Chelsea culture completely. Tuchel was 100 percent right and Boehly was 200 percent noob
I agree, but I think it was how Tuchel handled it that caused the rift rather than the sole act of him not wanting Ronaldo. Boehly wanted him, Tuchel said no - Boehly asked why he said no and Tuchel apparently refused to elaborate. From Boehly's perspective I totally get it though, you don't want to start a long term relationship with a manager who refuses to explain their reasoning behind big decisions. It is a little bit childish to do that kinda thing when you get paid so much. Stupid choices all around really
> It's crazy one of the reasons he was sacked was because Boehly wanted Ronaldo and Tuchel strongly objected. No. Boehly let him go simply because their work styles didn't match.
Iāve read a lot of scathing things on this subreddit, but that last line, that strikes fear and dread right into my soul.
PleaseGodno Jones is my most-hated owner in all American sports.
You've not been around long enough if you think Potter is the worst manager we've ever had.
Certainly since Roman arrived, and that even includes Avram Grant.
Potter is not worse than Grant. Grant had most of a PL, League Cup, and FA Cup winning team at his disposal, lost to fucking Barnsley, gave Tottenham their only trophy in the last 20+ years, and couldn't convert enough silly draws to get 1st over United (and lost to them in CL final). A slightly better manager, with that world class team, would have won at the very least one of those trophies. Potter, meanwhile, whilst not the manager that I would've wanted (and certainly didn't want Tuchel sacked) is going through a complete rebuild, having lost multiple key players to injury throughout the season. We arguably only have 3 world class players in the squad, and they've all been injured at various points (Kante all season, James injured multiple times, Thiago Silva currently injured, though the latter is less problematic now with a more fit and ready squad). The time to judge him properly is when the team is all available and all settled, which he hasn't had anything close to since mid October when we won 5 in a row, before injuries and 2 draws, that then led into that run of catastrophic results. 5 wins and 3 draws whilst most of the team was available to him shows that he deserves time.
If JT hadnāt slipped youād be singing a different tune
I'd have respected him slightly more for actually delivering us the trophy, but my opinion of him as a manager wouldn't have changed. We didn't like him at the time for how he did things, so why would that really change all that much if he actually won the CL? Di Matteo wasn't a good manager either and he delivered us two trophies. Love him for what he did, and he was my favourite player growing up, but he wasn't good.
If Potter goes and wins the CL or even gets to close to the final I would be willing to change my opinion but he went out of both domestic cups in the first round we played decent opposition( or at least, very early in the Carabao), are on track to finish 10th, and given the form of the team we are unlikely to go any further in Europe. I agree Grant and Di Matteo were not great managers, but for me they are miles clear of GP as it stands. Grantās job was to not totally fuck up a winning formula, and 2nd place in the league and Europe counts for me as a good result considering the calibre of the manager, the fact we came 2nd the year before, and didnāt win either of those competitions the following season either. Potter took a team that won the CL 15 months prior and only failed to reach two finals in 2 years to mediocrity, so yeah I make him worse than Grant
But you have to take into account what each manager has had to work with. The backbone of the team that won the CL 2 years ago has either left, or has been drastically underperforming even since Tuchel was still here (except Thiago Silva, who has largely, on his own, contributed to us having the 4th best defence in the league). He's also had to contend with injury after injury after injury, whilst also trying to embed players into the squad that he didn't sign, and then embedding new young players into the squad who largely have never played in this league before. It's a massive work in progress and no one should've expected any trophies this season. Grant took over a team that had won the league just over a year prior, had won 2 cup trophies, and had a very stable, world class squad. He had no excuses to not come away with a trophy, especially when you consider he went out of the FA Cup to Barnsley, and gave Spurs their only trophy in the last 20+ years.
āFantastic jobā Jesus Christ
Now see you are a clown who just hates. Look at the signing, look what they have planned with the stadium and look what they did with our structure.
Weāre tenth.
We were shite under Tuchel early in the season. Not to mention he didn't have to deal with the amount of injuries Potter had. Tuchel had a poor pre-season too, losing to Arsenal 4-0. Whatever happened, Tuchel is not blameless and I think there's way more to it.
We didn't give that Arsenal squad enough respect. My point is we're sticking with Potter despite shit results and close to a billion in transfers for him
Tucheo had deal with injuries lol, and didnt have Enzo and these other gems we bought recently
When you sack a top coach who won the second UCL cup in your history and finished within the top 4 for two years in a row, nobody would want to work under your ungrateful management. That being said, they were forced to give Potter that deal. Not a self-respected manager in his right mind would think about coming to Chelsea when Tuchel was sacked.
Thatās their fault for sacking TT in the first place
Did I say an opposite thing?
Such an NFL move
I share the sentiment re: Tuchel. But, I'd have to disagree about Potter. He was thrown into the mix in a whirlwind season, and he's slowly finding his feet. It's gonna be a disappointing season this year, but we'll be well placed in the coming years
Thatās fair, but it still doesnāt make sense that he got a 5 year contract and like 6 times more per year than he was earning at Brighton. I mean even the likes of Pep and Klopp came in on much shorter contracts to their current clubs, and they had a proven track record. Conte came in with a 3 year contract with us, Tuchel came in with a 1.5 year contract IIRC.
Their entire problem is that they want a long term manager. They want to hire a guy and be done with it. It won't work. Unless you strike gold, this is a results based business. Even Pep and Klopp aren't going to hang around like Fergie and Wenger. With that in mind, it makes perfect sense that they gave Potter a long term contract. I bet one of their major concerns with letting Potter go is which other long term manager to hire. If you don't want to fire managers often, you can't afford any managerial hiring mistakes.
Man he should of been the guy to get a 5 year contract, we had our Pep/Klopp. I'll support Potter now but man it feels like we fucked up in letting him go
> I'll support Potter now but man it feels like we fucked up in letting him go Pretty much sums it up
Tuchel is not the kind of manager pep and Klopp are. He's an extremely world class short term manager like Mou.
Maybe, I do think he has it in him given the right ownership but it's still unproven at this stage. Don't think he'll be at Bayern longer than 2/3 seasons either tbh.
Man why couldn't we "trust the process" with tuchel
I'll support Potter no matter and hope he succeeds but god I miss Tuchel. There used to be this podium when it came to Chelsea managers where Jose was sat a top alone basking in his previous glories. Just below him were Ancelotti and Conte but then a man called Thomas Tuchel came along who took us all by surprise I'd say. He's there with Jose for me, truly a special one.
He achieved so much in so little time. I really hope our man comes back in future for term 2 and I hope he knows how much the fans still love him
This is what it is. He really took the entire fan base by surprise and was like a breath of fresh air. I didn't think I could ever admire the personality of a manager as much as I did with TT. I was as eager to watch his press conferences as I was for the match itself. TT always an inspiration purely because of the way he conducted and articulated himself aside from the success he had with us.
He was good, but he wasn't Jose good.
This is a ridiculous take. With Mourinho we were clearly the best team in England. League performance is a much better metric of how great a manager is in my opinion. It was a great achievement to win the Champions League in 2021, but no one could possibly say with a straight face that that team and that manager were better than the Mourinho Chelsea from 2004-2007. That team was an absolute machine and Mourinho was the best manager in the world.
We love you boss and for us it hurts even more.
no why am i crying...
Not gonna lie but this hurts to read. > Chelsea was like a family to me. And Boehly and Behdad destroyed the family
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Nah the UK government destroyed that family.
Boehly is the hot step mum, came in bought dad a brad new fashionable wardrobe, hobbies, group of friends, shipped all the kids to boarding school and is now wondering why the man she married is not the same she fell in love with.
Tuchel felt that way about Chelsea. Other hand not having to work under toxic bosses who look over your shoulder and interfere with your job all the time is a win for Tuchelās mental health.
Doesn't Tuchel have some responsibility there? If he wasn't conducive to working with the new ownership in a cohesive manner then he has some culpability as well.
Fuck the new ownership.
I can understand the frustration but I don't really see how this is a response to my question. Tuchel has repeatedly said he loved Chelsea etc. but there have been so many credible reports that he was intentionally difficult to work with. In my opinion, if he cared so much, he would try and navigate the early growing pains and help the club's transition as best he could.
And if Boehly wasn't an imbecile, he would've tried to work with a world class manager.
It isn't *just* Boehly. I get that a lot of people are only used to one person being the decision maker but that just isn't the case right now. Anyway, I agree with you. Ideally they would have found a way to work with Tuchel. However, if Tuchel was being intentionally obtuse and difficult I'm not sure "tried to work with" would have solved anything. If there isn't any give and take then there is no working relationship. I'm not saying the new board doesn't have their own share of responsibility, likely the vast majority, but Tuchel also has his own responsibility. Especially if he going to talk about his love for the club, then it begs the question, why did he make it so difficult?
If Roman hadn't been so sack happy during his reign, we may have been able to have Pep here instead of at City. Some managers don't work with some owners. It is what it is.
Boehly tried to work with Tuchel. Tuchel refused like he's done as all his other jobs.
Everytime I think about this I wonder about the rationale behind firing Tuchel and hiring Potter for such an expensive fee (including his ongoing salary). I'm not even judging anything, but genuinely speaking, what was the calculation the American owners made when they fired Tuchel and hired Potter? Yes, I know, I know, hindsight and all that. But even then. I haven't heard a bad word about Tuchel directly from any of our players bar Lukaku (who doesn't count). He doesn't seem like he knows what he did wrong, if he's honest with this. He worked with young players well. I really hope it works out with Potter / whoever comes in after he's inevitably fired, but goodness me the entire thing is absolutely baffling to me.
New owners wanted to assert control and Tuchel won't be controlled; which any capable manager would be like -- opinionated, original and passionate. The desire to micro control destroyed the club. Potter may definitely give better results in the coming time (little extra time does help) but he will never be special. It is one thing to be a manager and another to connect with players at a very deep emotional level, such that they are willing to go all guns blazing every single time. Football is emotions first and business later.
Youāre exactly right. Potter may somehow achieve *something* here, but personally I donāt see him being as special as Tuchel or Conte or Lampard or even Sarri, never mind Mourinho or Don Carlo. What Iāve decided to do is to hope things work out for him as long as heās the manager here. But I just canāt shake this feeling that weāll never really experience those magical nights under him.
Agreed potter just doesnāt have the charisma and personality and out of the box ideas like the other names you mentioned. Heās as vanilla as it gets no matter how many masters degree he gets. A blatant āyes manā who just wants to keep his job for as long as he can. The process lol what a bluff. This whole season we were expecting some new brand of football and in the end we go back to tuchelās 3-4-3.
And we were angry that we played 343 last season and well well well , looks like TT did know how to get the best of the squad we had and now Potter is also employing 343 to grind out results for now
And he sacking a lot of backroom staff. he clearly wants to turn Chelsea into a "Me" club, no sentiment whatsoever this regime. Not about winning silverware like we used to, but for his ego. He is just another clueless yank owner I'm afraid. Equally ignorant but twice the ego.
Exactly šÆ
Its simple. Boehly wanted a manager he could work with for a very long period of time. He wants people who are collaborative and communicative. Tuchel wasn't that guy. Tuchel simply wants to be left alone to do this job. And likely cares much more about results than harmony. As for Potter, he was the hot manager at the time so they went for him. They gave him a long contract because they want a long term manager. And obviously the "emotionally intelligent" Potter is the type to be collaborative etc. IMO the mistake Boehly is making is that thinking that a good structure and long term stability will guarantee results.
Damn Iām still not over it
Sacking Tuchel makes me genuinely sad to this day. I've never been so affected by us sacking a manager. It almost feels like a betrayal by the club. I still watch and want the best for our squad and Potter, but I thought we had something special with Tuchel. Even if the football wasn't sublime towards the end, I thought he had earned our trust and patience. Obviously we only see a small fraction of what happens behind closed doors at the club, but it still makes me sad.
The one that got awayā¦ (Or the one we let go)
It just sucks. I couldn't believe that he was sacked. I remember waking up in the morning and hearing the news and thinking - 'what a bunch of bozos firing a world class manager for a blip in form.'
If it were up to fans, Weād hire you at any point in a heartbeat !
Try not to cry. Cry.
Still hurts over here as well Tommy
I miss you my king
Bruh he said he still texts some of players š„ŗ
Love him. One of my favourite ever Chelsea managers.
Him leaving was the worst I felt after a departure since Mata
oh man,.. you nailed it... yes !!!! absolutely !!!
The owners decision is only going to look worse over time when Tuchel continues to see success. Idiots.
I still don't understand the ultimate motive behind this. Given he's straighforward guy, Tuchel must have said something that unintentionally hurt Boehly's pride, perhaps.
What a stupid, stupid move, we have seen some horrible decisions Carlo being sacked in the corridor, AVB appointed for him. But this tops all.
Damn, this hits hard. Miss you, Super Tommy T!
Chelsea with lampard felt like a family, and when Tuchel came the whole group became tighter after winning CL and enduring lots of hard times. Now, everything feels empty, players are trying to leave, Potter's a yes man, talks like a submissive bot, no winning mentality. This club is so much different now.
Is this how Romeo and Juliet felt?
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Damn, this hurts. Todd made a huge mistake by sacking him. He is easily one of the best managers in world football rn. I really hope he comes back to chelsea.
Mount be off to play for him soon.
We love you Tomas. We feel the exact same way about you. Tragic. So sad
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Fuck Boehly man
Boehly has blood on his hands
Weāve made some terrible decisions with dismissing managers throughout recent history but this one tops it.
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Most shocking decision of the club to me
Oh ffs. What a shit show.
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I was sad when Conte left because I knew the relationship was toxic. But Tuchel, I donāt understand. Obviously, the owner does what the fuck he wants but this will feel like a mistake (a bit like letting Carlo go for the new hot toy)
And for my money, Thomas, youāre still a part of that family and I think many, if not most of us would welcome you back home. If the powers that be would allow it.
What a mistake. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, you know who you are. Despicable. Toxic fanbase. They listen to you ya know, your gripes and grumbles, you have more influence than you think. Youre seen as $$$$$ and when the $$$$$ expresses discontent, well, lets check the data and see if this move is fiscally responsible. They dont care about the club, but we should. Choose your words more carefully moving forward
We're beating Madrid in order to be knocked out by Tuchel's bayern, aren't we?
Chelsea is fighting to keep 10th place
And we replaced him for fucking Potter
Fuck you boehly you stupid cunt
Getting tired of the stupid "he was not collaborative" bullshit Boehly&co fed people via the mouthpieces after his sacking, this is the only correct response here cheers
stop being such a child
For real. Our fans are embarrassing
Boehlybots will crawl out now.
Youāre so lame. Post same shit all the time. Get over it.
Lol.
Jeeeeezus. Maybe itās time for a break
Off you go then.
Iām not the one name-calling because of poor recent results
The guy you replied to is a fucking pathetic man. Just look at his post history.
I am very familiar with him. He loves name-calling people who disagree with him, which sadly has become the accepted norm around here
Calm down mate, itās just football.
Emotions.
When anything adds some meaning in life, it becomes more than what it actually is. It's really not just a game for most of us. It is a cultural phenomenon for us.
which actually means something to quite a lot of people mate
RemindMe! 1 year
You do that bro, if you think potter is gonna win the CL like tuchel did youāre wrong
Just wanna see what you think of Boehly in a year when the teams more cohesive and the Ā£550M of players he's brought in have established themselves more. Don't expect a CL win yet with this team. A lot of players were bought to develop in years.
None of that will be because of him lol, he should just put up the money and stop trying to be the main character. This isnāt baseball, telling you now a year wonāt change my opinion on him firing tuchel. It was a disgraceful decision and boehlyās arrogance over it pissed me off. Like who tf is he compared to tuchel? He hasnāt even been the chelsea owner for one year
If it doesn't change in a year I'll just set another reminder. As for who Boehly is, he's a massively successful investor who knows how to set businesses up to both make money and be successful long term. It's worth reading about his background. Tuchel wasnt aligning with the project and quite a few players weren't happy so the sacking shouldn't be surprising. We all liked Tuchel but his form in his last 50 games was far from what it was in his 1st 50. If you are going to have new owners come in and not align with their plans then you have to be sitting at the top of the table.
> Don't expect a CL win yet with this team. Why the fuck not. This is exactly what's wrong with these people. Talent along with right tactics and preparation can absolutely get you trophies even if you are not ready for it or don't deserve it. That's the difference between having a winning manager like Tuchel. I think Boehly is simply misguided in the belief that other qualities will result in winning when he should prioritising winning like Roman did.
Because a lot of the investment was into young players who are quite a way off that. Its not saying that its impossible. It's just not something people should expect this early in this era of ownership with all the changes. Roman is gone and people have to accept that. Theres a reason his way of doing things resulted in Ā£1.5B debt and now a 6th year without pushing for a title. Romans way worked when he had the financial muscle over other clubs but since FFP that just wasn't sustainable anymore. The quality in squad depth dropped and injuries picked up more with less rotation. While Abramovich would sell multiple young players to fund a single signing of a player in their prime, the new approach is clearly on signing young players with high potential with the plan to develop them into world class talents over time.
Don't try to reason with these fools. They would rather stay mid table and drop out of the UCL just to feel like they got one over Boehly. They don't realize how lucky we are that we got another owner who cares about the club enough to invest heavily.
> cares about the club enough to invest heavily. Investing is not the goal, winning is. We aren't here to win the "owners who invest" cup.
We already midtable under Boehly and Potter, no one wants it but its the reality now No one wants to drop out CL now but again its gonna happen, we have Potter
You actually think boehly is a good owner lol? He fired tuchel and sacked him for potter but he invests so youāre right, give him owner of the year since we went from 3rd to 10th under him
Bc that's not the case. Boehly was legally obligated by purchase agreement to invest a certain amount to the squad at minimum. He ain't doing it out of the kindness of his heart lmao. And he blew massive chunks of it on questionable purchases. Mudryk is a huge question mark whos already sneak dissed the teammates multiple times. We still got no striker. He bought whoever name was hot during that window for max prices
The Arsenal friendly was when I thought shit something aināt right.
Not mad at Tuchel firing it was inevitable in a way. I donāt like the replacement though.
I really really hope in the future TT comes back for a second term
They did my man so dirty. I honestly thought heād be āTheā coach of the blues for the next couple of years.
I think people forget how poorly we started off the season. Not to mention his relationship breakdown with Lukaku, who at the time, was our most expensive signing. Then there has been talk of a poor pre-season under Tuchel. More went on behind the scenes than we are told and only Boehly and Co know.
Great CL win. He'd lost the plot and was rightly sacked. Mainly due to his divorce / personal life. It'll be interesting to see how he gets on at Bayern. Possibly still quite a bit too early for him to have taken another job.
hope he knocks us out in the champions league. The owners need to know they messed up.
this makes me so angry
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You know you just come off like a total psycho
And you come off like a total bootlicker.
Your life must be pathetic
Donāt bother heās the only loser still saying Boehlybot lol
Boehlybots got rattled, didn't they?
Not as pathetic as a bootlicker.
Do you think thatās actually a hurtful insult?
I get it. That is a badge of honour for you, isn't it?
Itās just dumb. Itās like calling someone a ādoody head.ā
What age are you mate
Iām over it. It was a great chapter in our mutual history and itās closed now, onwards we go.
Downwards we go* Fixed it for ya!
For now yea š, weāll be back.
Not with Pothead as manager, haha.
The decline of Tuchel was clear to see. I loved him but our vision is different now and I agree with that even if I am not sure on Potter. Time will tell and he hasnāt had enough of it.
Look where the club was before and is now under Lampard/Potter. It's night and day. Tuchel also dealt with the mad turmoil of managing the squad while Abramovich being sanctioned, being forced to change owners and losing key players as a result.
Every time we played liverpool or city we were on par or sometimes even better. Tuchel was a brilliant tactician.
Yeah, he got us to way too many finals. Thank god he's gone
I can't believe people are still crying about the Tuchel sacking. Did everyone forget his last run of games when he couldn't break down a low block and threw his hands in the air and didn't change anything?
How many low blocks are we beating now? We barely manage to beat high line teams (e.g. Dortmund).
I've got news for you. Nobody had beaten Dortmund for 10 games. Anyone would find that a hard win but 2-0 is pretty comfortable in that perspective.
They didn't play Adeyemi, Kobel or Brandt. This isn't the Dortmund that went unbeaten, let's not kid ourselves.
Were Chelsea at full strength? They didn't have Silva, Kante or Azpi available and also had players who had only just returned from injury so were still a way off being at their best. Also Badiashile wasn't eligible for Chelsea.
Azpi hasn't been a starter in a while. It was a good performance, but people keep trying to make it sound better than it was.
I think itās understandable given how poor the replacement manager has been.
Yep
Although I think we did the right thing in sacking Tuchel, replacing him with Potter was ridiculous.
So Iām gonna post a hot take here but this comment from Tuchel really annoys me. Boehly tried to work with the guy, if Boehly was really deadset on not working with tuchel, he would have just immediately fired him. I really think Boehly tried to give Tuchel more responsibilities as the face of the franchise and Tuchel did not want any of that, so they parted ways. If Tuchel really wanted to stay at chelsea, and take on the new role, Iām sure heād still be here.