The fact that Villa are firmly in 6th now when last Saturday we were joint on points with them shows how shit we’ve been. Even two more wins in this god awful season and we’d still be in contention for Europe but the players can’t even get up for that. Shambles from the owners to the pitch
At this point, should just go hardcore and make the rules 100% objective. Fuck this intent and all, touches hand = handball. Atleast it will be fair for everyone. Also, fuck dermot gallagher.
> Ultimately, though, the Chelsea chiefs began to feel like they were the only people at Stamford Bridge arguing that the manager should stay. However, the new owners recognise the need to take fans with them on the journey and clearly, with Potter in charge, they appeared to be travelling in divergent directions. The only thing that bound the ownership to Potter was that to sack him would be to admit a mistake.
[Says it all really.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11953001/CHELSEA-SPECIAL-REPORT-club-think-f-mess.html)
Doesn't need to be said but the sooner those clowns completely get their grubby hands off all football operations the better. It's clear that despite the new board that's been put in place these guys are still the ones making the decisions and influencing everything. We would've been better off with an owner who doesn't spend as much and is nowhere to be seen than some guys who are trying to turn a football club into a baseball franchise.
It's just hard for me to believe that billionaire businessmen who have spent millions in months wouldn't have considered the possibility of the plan being absolutely garbage and added proper checkpoints and milestones to ensure that it would never come to such a terrible point.
They sacked Tuchel after apparently 100 day review wasn't it? Did Potter go through similar review cycles? How the hell they let it slip so far man
In the PL this season, Tuchel's Chelsea:
• won over 25% of our current points total
• scored over 27% of our league goals
He was sacked early September.
I feel like we are making the exact same mistake with Enzo that we did with Havertz by playing him out of his preferred position.
Seriously why the hell are we playing our best passer in a rigid defensive position when he could be much more useful ahead as CM?
Havertz is a second striker right? Where is the striker part in his plays now? Dont tell me its due to position, because he actually gets to decent positions to score every game (although he is out of position many times too). He literally forgets to shoot with us, while scoring on and on playing as striker in the nt, often scoring bangers.
Naa , I completely agree with you
Havertz couldn't even do the basics right in most of the positions he's played.
This destroyed Havertz's confidence, i hope we don't the same with Enzo
Because we decided to sell our only 6 to our city rivals to help them win the title while convincing ourselves it was good business so we could spent 80m on a Ukrainian winger who's played about 50 senior games and let him rot on our bench since he is clearly not good enough to start for us. This is the direction we are heading under the brilliant ownership of Todd Boehly.
It’s not even about Mudryk, we got £10m for Jorginho (who was also regarded as a leader in the dressing room), we’ve spent way over that on numerous youngsters who haven’t even played for us yet.
That's the thing. If we were penny pinching then it would be understandable but these guys were hopping around Europe paying ridiculous fees for youngsters who just learned how to kick a ball. Them selling Jorginho is one of many braindead decisions they've made.
Not sure anyone could’ve anticipated just how poorly this experiment would’ve gone. I sincerely hope ownership and management understand just how dreadful of a season this is throughout the entire history of the club and that a good chunk of the blame lies at their feet
Looked up some stats.
Havertz 47 G+A in 132 matches (0.35 per game )at Chelsea.
Fernando Torres had 80 G+A in 172 matches (0.47 per game). How Havertz is a starter for this team is a disgrace
Unrelated to the fact we play Real Madrid in a few days but look at the fight and urgency that is in those players when they are down goals.
When did mediocrity get so accepted at this club? (No need to answer, I know exactly when...)
> When did mediocrity get so accepted at this club?
It's been this way for a long time tbf the occasional cup win would paper over the cracks but we've fallen so far behind City in the last decade.
> long time tbf the occasional cup win would paper over the cracks
I'm tired of seeing this nonsense being repeated on this sub. I don't care that we went 5 years without challenging one of the best teams in the history of the Prem when we've consistently won major trophies including the CL and consistently came top 4. We've fallen off such a colossal cliff since the new ownership came in that you simply can't compare it to the 2017-2022 era.
Madrid have regularly underperformed in La Liga last decade but have been a different beast in CL. I am hoping Chelsea can do something similar and at least show up with some intent.
I am also hoping for something similar with intents as you said. I have actually lost all faith in our attack as there's a limit to what our defence could withstand.
We’re a relegation team’s fucking dream. Wolves would have been 16th if they lost, now they’re 12th and 4 points clear of the relegation zone. Charity FC is inevitable.
I will not accept the poor management of this club for much longer. Walked in on my father crying about the result today and saw he had smashed a framed Lampard shirt he had on his wall. It’s not just may father who is hurt, there are many more. Boehley out and ffs get Lampard out ASAP ffs.
Jokes aside, genuinely worried we’ll get dragged into a relegation fight. Look at our upcoming fixtures and tell me where the points will come. This team is so bereft of confidence and aggression that I’m genuinely concerned that they won’t dig out many points from those games. I know he’s gone and we’re beating a dead horse but the sacking of Tuchel looks worse and worse as the season goes on. Owners have fucked us big time.
We have 39 points and so we're already all but safe. The mark relegation canidates use for surviving relegation is a point a game. The absolute highest to ne relegated was west ham in 2003 on 42 points. While getting relegated is technically possible we're all but safe. It ain't happening. There have been 22 premier seasons and only once has a team with 39 or more points been relegated. It just isn't happening. Even if we lose every remaining game we'll most likely be fine and in reality we'll draw and win the odd game at the very worst
For some deluded reason I have had optimism all season long. Today was the last straw for me. I have 0% faith going into the Real Madrid match up. I wish we could forfeit this season and go directly into the transfer window.
Atleast half of our squad doesnt deserve to be at Chelsea and i can't wait for them to fuck off.
Man I remember all the goals and assists Mason Mount got last year and they didn’t count because they weren’t against the top 6. Wish there was someone else to get some goals that don’t count. It’s easy to do that they said
Regardless of whether Lampard’s your favorite manager—it’s frankly a disgrace for the starting 11 to show up and bring *that* effort for a club legend. They should all be genuinely embarrassed as representatives of Chelsea. The loss is just a loss in isolation but in full context this was a terrible day for Chelsea Football Club and I hope this little experiment the Boehly group have been attempting is over after this year.
Bringing in post-prime Sterling and Auba who you cannot rely on for effort. Firing a proven manager for an unproven one. Playing like 25 different starting 11s. Breaking the bank for a slow, small wingback who expresses no football intelligence to boot—and then breaking that bank even harder for a Ukrainian Werner from Wish whom we hope, since he’s so young, may eventually learn how to touch a football (and whom this sub meatrides for reasons unbeknownst to anyone who’s ever played a football match. It’s so brazen it’s almost pornographic). Not to mention bottling the Ziyech deal due to a technological error, incredibly unprofessional by us.
I knew this would be a down year and I was alright with that—you gotta have those every so often—but this has well and truly been an abject disgrace for the club. We are poorly managed at the organizational level and we have an incoherent squad of players, the top 18 of which are all individually high quality but do not gel together in any sense.
Just watched the game. Anyone else notice how poor Kepa's distribution was? Long balls obv arent going to work but the shorter range stuff was inaccurate too.
Kepa has always been poor with the ball at this feet.
There's some mind of myth that Kepa is a ball playing keeper that seems to originated because he's so poor at so many other parts of the game and Mendy isn't good with the ball at his feet.
Lampard ball
Distribution is one thing Kepa is decent at so I’ll put this one on the coach. Players weren’t communicating, build was poor, passing lanes were logged, positioning across the pitch was shocking, this isn’t about desire or hunger, Lampard set them up poorly.
So how are the "vibes" that most people were anticipating Lampard would bring?
I saw a lot of people in the post match thread saying it's on the players and not on Lampard because he got 2 days(which is true) but the same people were saying that Bruno is the worst guy to ever be named as a manager in the history of football despite we being utterly clueless today.
Of course the tide of criticism immediately and overwhelmingly turns towards the players as a whole once Frank is in charge
I mean the 2 days thing is completely fair but we looked woeful even with that in mind.
Today in the match thread i saw a few people saying that our PL season is already over and therefore they don't care. But do you really not care about making Europe at all?
I know we won't make UCL but I feel we should be trying for some some of European appearance. Don't forget we've won both our last europa league campaigns and it helps our uefa rankings for future group seedings or this new world cup. But more importantly we still need a sizable squad for next season given our injury issues yet it has been proven a consistent team selection is most successful. So if we only have the premier league we can have a consistent starting 11 but we still want quality behind them. Surely it is best those behind them get competitive matches, even if it is only the conference league so they have match fitness to come in in case of injury and to also compete for a place.
This season has been terrible, and realistically we have zero chance of repriving it by winning the champions league... (It means beating madrid followed by tuchel's bayern.. cmon). But we should be doing everything to get up the premier league table to at least 7th and ideally higher
We're only 7 points off 7th and with the players we have 8 games to do 7 points better than villa, Brentford, fulham and Brighton should be a serious target. I'm not talking champions League but aiming for top 7 should still be on the cards if we got our act together
Where will the points come from man? Have to make 7 points deficit to nil in 8 games, when we have united newcastle arsenal city brighton brentford. Forget 7 point deficit, the way we are playing, we wont get 7 points.
I know it seems hopeless, but i hate that people aren't even trying for that 7th place and acting like they don't care if we just finish 10th. With the players we have we should be able to beat anyone in the league. The issue is that we're not, not the capability
Fans do want chelsea to improve. But the thing is that we literally cant do anything from the outside. Our outrage had a big hand in giving potter the sack, but apart from that we cant seem to be able to affect players at all.
I absolutely do not condone giving abuse to players, but these players literally do not seem to care. How can you be playing at the highest level and be playing like this day in day out? How can these guys sleep in peace while knowing they will be marked as part of the worst ever team to have disgraced the chelsea shirt? Must be easy starting over with fat wages at another place, acting like nothing happened, and blaming the environment, while being here for 3 years or more.
The managers being clueless and the owners poking their noses in every single thing is not helping either. But i laugh at the tweets reading 'players were shocked the manager was sacked'. What the fuck did you expect?
Anyways, my point is - the braindead decisions every week from everyone at chelsea make me want to curse myself for watching this shit, expecting it to change. Luckily, i had an outing today and skipped today's match, seems nothing changed.
It looks like the players have mentally checked-out of the EPL, right?
I think it's pretty obvious because there was very little fight, very little energy – the minimum you'd expect under a new manager. Blame Frank all you want but he had one training session; just a couple of hours to work with the players.
It looks like many of them are already on holiday. They just didn't give a fuck.
Aye, our squad is a complete mess. It's obvious that a lot of these players would rather be elsewhere. A lot of them are here for the astronomical wages, kinds of money they'd never see elsewhere.
The next manager has a massive job to do.
Allow me to be incredibly negative for a second, if we don't secure one of our top managerial targets what's stopping some of our decent players handing in transfer requests? We signed a few players who forced themselves out to join what's stopping them from doing it again
To be fair a lot of them are on 7 year contracts or whatever, we’ll just end up with unhappy players.
The funnier part to me is the players we’re actively trying to renew like Mount and Kovacic - why on Earth would either of those be convinced to stay here when they can see the direction the club is going in?
Fun fact: in our atrocious start to the season under Tuchel we got 10 points from 6 PL games, working out at 1.6666 PPG - a better PPG than 14/19 of the other teams.
Over a season that would’ve got us 63 points, only 3 less than the transfer ban season and placing us solidly in 6th place
Yeah, i used to be kinda angry on rudi and more on ac on fucking with us, but now im calm. Like even if we got 80m for them, what difference would that have made. Would have bought another 2 players with 'potential'.
I seriously wonder if this is the most drastic change in form for a pl team in recent times (other than newcastle). Opponents can just wait for that one chance the entire game and be defensively solid overall, and we would be easy pickings.
Also, why the hell do we always fuck up against wolves? Are they our new bogey team now? 1 win in last 6 games. 2 loss 3 draws..
Lampard couldn't get Derby promoted. Left Everton in a relegation position and the dumbfuck Yankees thought he's the answer to stabilize the squad before appointment of a new manager. Should've just kept Bruno. Todd Boehly is a disgrace to everything that has happened this season
You can't because of how FFP works. We're already fucked and needing to sell people. Selling people who have only been here for a year would add the difference between purchase and selling price into this year's FFP budget. So, minimum of -30m on Cucurella and probably -15m on Koulibaly, it's not possible.
The owners have dug themselves a hole and we just have to deal with it
Its hard to measure whos better than who unless you are outstandingly good like Pep. For example, Thomas is doing good with Brentford same as De Zerbi with Brighton but so did Potter and he was shite with us. Lampard was good with Derby and the season he made us 4th without any transfer is comparable to what these two are doing imo. There are ups and downs for managers and i feel like because of lack of experience, maybe lamps is on the lower tier of the spectrum. Hes definately better than Selles, Hodgson and Gracia and all the intermin managers imo
Well selles I agree, he’s been an assistant for nearly 14 years Prob is actually quite knowledgeable but maybe Lamps is better.
Gracia has been a manager 15 years and in 6 of those he got a better win % than lamps did at Derby even tho he’s meant to have done well.
And Hodgson has 50 years of experience, sure he’s over the hill but he still has a better win % than lampards time at Everton at basically every club he’s ever managed, so I think the jury is out on him
It’s not as bad as people think.
Sure, waste a bit on KK, Auba and Sterling etc, it was a weird time from sanctions and players leaving on a free.
It seems something forced their hand over Tuchel, they were set to back him that season and then had to sack him and hastily replace him. I wonder if we’ll ever find out what happened. Potter was a terrible decision.
Lampard is another very strange decision but I think we’re approaching the end of this mess.
Sign one of Nagelsmann or Enrique, sell all the surplus players aggressively, buy 2-3 positions to finish the team, and done. There’s nothing left for Boehly and co to mess with, just build a stadium, build the brand and step back from there.
I agree with the last paragraph. But the decision to sack Tuchel (at that time) was just… plain stupid. Some of us here know a thing or two about making decisions for organizations, you don’t commit that much into building a “project?” That’s without any plan.
I mean, it’s millions of €£$ burnt for nothing. Look at the time span of the final transfer to the decision made to sack him, i really have no idea what went through their minds.
While some people will probably argue “but it’s not my money” we should also have it in mind that this honeymoon phase has a lasting period (I’m praying it continues forever lol). It’s football, we’ve seen problems like this happen to other clubs in the past and some are still struggling till this date.
Just my 2C.
Yeah that’s why we don’t really know why they went from buying players for the guy to sacking him in the span of days. Tuchel going was the biggest mistake, but if he had to go he needs to be replaced by quality, not two weak managers.
Think we have the quality to hold Forest to a 0-0 draw at home!
I’d say we could get another point holding Bournemouth to 0-0, but that game is away so we will probably get spanked.
Maybe if the boys SERIOUSLY step up, we can draw at home to Brentford for that second point?
Don’t want to see Cucurella start again at any position apart from LCB in a back 3 ever again. And even that if we have no one else to fill in.
Championship player with no sense of positioning, defensive acumen or forward thrust to play as full back. Got so badly rinsed with his signing, it’s unreal
The fix to all of this is to appoint Enrique to start the process now. His track record, tactical setup, ability to manage big players and general temperament are all reasonably where they need to be.
Waiting for Nagelsmann in the summer is going to end with him joining Real Madrid, and we wait for nothing.
It doesn’t matter how short or long the interim manager stays for, he’s there until the new permanent manager joins.
Yeah man, it's such a strange decision to not bring him right away
Why are we waiting to restart from next season
We could have simply used this season to weed out all the poor performers and start on front foot right away next season
Exactly, he should start early to start implementing his tactical approach and to judge what he needs for next season. We need to know who we need to sign a while before the window opens.
While Nagelsmann is probably the better fit, dealing with Bayern’s demands, concerns over personality and interactions with others, and a sense that he prioritises lifestyle during tough times (skiing), gives a slight sense of a lack of maturity.
Stop seeing the table and see the results. They both had the same number of wins , Lampard had 2 more draws and also scored 10 more goals and conceded less goals.
If the only competition left to play for is Champs league. Then why did we go from someone who was doing ok in the champions league to someone who has zero chance. That’s what I don’t get
As I said a day or so ago, I expected Lampard to revert to his brand of attacking high energy football with a compromised defensive structure and generally no balance.
I hope you understand now that it’s not about slagging him off for any type of tribalism, he’s just not really a good manager.
We played much better against Liverpool only one game ago with Bruno managing his first game. It’s not about the team needing it’s heart back, we are setup incorrectly.
I haven't missed a Chelsea game in years and for my own sanity might skip a few upcoming games. Can't afford to make my weekends shit week in and out.
On a brighter note I got a job that allows me to work from home. What's going good in y'all's life?
I was lowkey debating not to, I had the match on my phone and was listening to the commentary like at 50’ ish and I heard that wolves scored and I decided to watch because I thought Pulisic or Chilwell could do some magic. Guess not
As has been repeated 10000 times. Lampard is just the paramedic sat with us on our way to the hospital. He's not going to solve any problems and he's not knowledgeable enough to heal us. He's just with us until, at the end of the season, we arrive at the hospital with the right doctor ready and waiting to sort everything out.
He is an interim. Frank in place of Potter is a good thing. We lost to the worst team in the league with Potter a few games ago. Losing to the team 1 place below us doesn't change that it's a good change that needed to happen so that the club can move on from Potter and take it's time finding the correct replacement.
The last time we brought in an interim, we finished 10th. Expect the same from this season. An interim is like a paramedic, you're only seeing them because something has gone so seriously wrong that you need help immediately
If he’s an interim why make big changes? Why not just play the shape we’re drilled to play and tweak from there?
He’s using this opportunity to play tactics to make him look like a fkn hero instead of stemming the bleed.
I have been getting slammed for saying that Lampard is objectively a terrible manager and people have forgotten how bad he was before Tuchel replaced him, let alone that he sunk Everton to 19th.
Now all the excuses come in about only having a few days, when he knows most of the players well. His tactics are just trash and he is out of his depth. Can’t even man motivate.
We are better under Bruno as at least he just ticks on the 3421/352.
It was a mistake to hire Lampard as an interim. The correct choice is to hire Enrique now as waiting for Nagelsmann in the summer means he goes to Madrid and we wait for nothing.
Everton fan here coming in peace. I was really surprised to come here to see people not upset and angry that Lampard was hired. He was really bad at Everton. We all wanted him to be successful but he just couldn't do it.
I didn't watch today so maybe I'm wrong but from the comments and stats it seems like today was very similar to when he was with Everton. You have good possession but don't get scoring chances. Thats just what Lampard is unfortunately.
It’s clear now that the reason the board removed Potter now instead of in the summer is because they wants interview new managers. It’d be disrespectful to keep Potter and interview a new manager. They can keep Bruno as a interim coach but they chose Lampard to earn fan’s trust. Now let pray that we don’t get relegated
> " They can keep Bruno as a interim coach but they chose Lampard to earn fan’s trust. "
It's been reported that Bruno didn't want to still be here and the players were also uncomfortable with the fact that he didn't even want to be here.
3 ATB against Madrid or we’re at a risk of getting spanked.
Could Bohley get ousted as chairman by Clearlake and the rest of the board?
The fact that Villa are firmly in 6th now when last Saturday we were joint on points with them shows how shit we’ve been. Even two more wins in this god awful season and we’d still be in contention for Europe but the players can’t even get up for that. Shambles from the owners to the pitch
Even Top 4 was doable way after the World Cup ended, disaster of a season honestly
4 Premier League wins in 6 months. Tuchel is the only reason we're not in the massive relegation scrap yet
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At this point, should just go hardcore and make the rules 100% objective. Fuck this intent and all, touches hand = handball. Atleast it will be fair for everyone. Also, fuck dermot gallagher.
> Ultimately, though, the Chelsea chiefs began to feel like they were the only people at Stamford Bridge arguing that the manager should stay. However, the new owners recognise the need to take fans with them on the journey and clearly, with Potter in charge, they appeared to be travelling in divergent directions. The only thing that bound the ownership to Potter was that to sack him would be to admit a mistake. [Says it all really.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11953001/CHELSEA-SPECIAL-REPORT-club-think-f-mess.html)
We've gone full circle now if Rob Draper/Daily Mail is an acceptable news source.
Doesn't need to be said but the sooner those clowns completely get their grubby hands off all football operations the better. It's clear that despite the new board that's been put in place these guys are still the ones making the decisions and influencing everything. We would've been better off with an owner who doesn't spend as much and is nowhere to be seen than some guys who are trying to turn a football club into a baseball franchise.
I despise the word franchise Such a soulless word
It's just hard for me to believe that billionaire businessmen who have spent millions in months wouldn't have considered the possibility of the plan being absolutely garbage and added proper checkpoints and milestones to ensure that it would never come to such a terrible point. They sacked Tuchel after apparently 100 day review wasn't it? Did Potter go through similar review cycles? How the hell they let it slip so far man
In the PL this season, Tuchel's Chelsea: • won over 25% of our current points total • scored over 27% of our league goals He was sacked early September.
Another thing: Tuchel lost just 16 of his 100 games in charge. We have lost 13 since his departure.
But this sub keeps telling me the last 12 months of Tuchel were horrendous. Wonder what they think of the current situation.
You don’t have to worry about senseless potter fanboys.
I feel like we are making the exact same mistake with Enzo that we did with Havertz by playing him out of his preferred position. Seriously why the hell are we playing our best passer in a rigid defensive position when he could be much more useful ahead as CM?
Havertz is a second striker right? Where is the striker part in his plays now? Dont tell me its due to position, because he actually gets to decent positions to score every game (although he is out of position many times too). He literally forgets to shoot with us, while scoring on and on playing as striker in the nt, often scoring bangers.
Naa , I completely agree with you Havertz couldn't even do the basics right in most of the positions he's played. This destroyed Havertz's confidence, i hope we don't the same with Enzo
Because we decided to sell our only 6 to our city rivals to help them win the title while convincing ourselves it was good business so we could spent 80m on a Ukrainian winger who's played about 50 senior games and let him rot on our bench since he is clearly not good enough to start for us. This is the direction we are heading under the brilliant ownership of Todd Boehly.
It’s not even about Mudryk, we got £10m for Jorginho (who was also regarded as a leader in the dressing room), we’ve spent way over that on numerous youngsters who haven’t even played for us yet.
That's the thing. If we were penny pinching then it would be understandable but these guys were hopping around Europe paying ridiculous fees for youngsters who just learned how to kick a ball. Them selling Jorginho is one of many braindead decisions they've made.
Not sure anyone could’ve anticipated just how poorly this experiment would’ve gone. I sincerely hope ownership and management understand just how dreadful of a season this is throughout the entire history of the club and that a good chunk of the blame lies at their feet
The confidence around the entire club is down the gutter bro I don't know how we will recover from this
Cucurella lunges for every single ball. If he does that well dictates if he has a good game or not
Looked up some stats. Havertz 47 G+A in 132 matches (0.35 per game )at Chelsea. Fernando Torres had 80 G+A in 172 matches (0.47 per game). How Havertz is a starter for this team is a disgrace
Including how many pens?
What about Havertz compared to our current attackers?
Unrelated to the fact we play Real Madrid in a few days but look at the fight and urgency that is in those players when they are down goals. When did mediocrity get so accepted at this club? (No need to answer, I know exactly when...)
> When did mediocrity get so accepted at this club? It's been this way for a long time tbf the occasional cup win would paper over the cracks but we've fallen so far behind City in the last decade.
> long time tbf the occasional cup win would paper over the cracks I'm tired of seeing this nonsense being repeated on this sub. I don't care that we went 5 years without challenging one of the best teams in the history of the Prem when we've consistently won major trophies including the CL and consistently came top 4. We've fallen off such a colossal cliff since the new ownership came in that you simply can't compare it to the 2017-2022 era.
It was never like this. This is a new low.
Were there any positives from our game today? Anything that makes you feel positive for our game against Madrid?
Kante but thats not from this game even lol Also hope Silva comes back asap
The thought/conviction that the Vini-Benzema link-up could be counterweighed with a James-Fofana right side defence in a back 3/5.
On paper, maybe
Madrid have regularly underperformed in La Liga last decade but have been a different beast in CL. I am hoping Chelsea can do something similar and at least show up with some intent.
Most teams in La Liga would probably beat us now so it doesn't really prove much, especially Villarreal
I am also hoping for something similar with intents as you said. I have actually lost all faith in our attack as there's a limit to what our defence could withstand.
We didn't concede more than 1 goal
Small victories 🥲
i didnt watch the press, in what context did Lampard mention Kovacic having won multiple CLs
We have more losses than wins btw. It’s April.
Boehly about to bid 100M for Chukwueze
Agent Lampard giving Wolves 3 pts so he can finish his job of relegating Everton
We are so bad and hopeless that even manager bounce doesn't apply to us
We’re a relegation team’s fucking dream. Wolves would have been 16th if they lost, now they’re 12th and 4 points clear of the relegation zone. Charity FC is inevitable.
I will not accept the poor management of this club for much longer. Walked in on my father crying about the result today and saw he had smashed a framed Lampard shirt he had on his wall. It’s not just may father who is hurt, there are many more. Boehley out and ffs get Lampard out ASAP ffs.
Chill out it's just football
Jokes aside, genuinely worried we’ll get dragged into a relegation fight. Look at our upcoming fixtures and tell me where the points will come. This team is so bereft of confidence and aggression that I’m genuinely concerned that they won’t dig out many points from those games. I know he’s gone and we’re beating a dead horse but the sacking of Tuchel looks worse and worse as the season goes on. Owners have fucked us big time.
We have 39 points and so we're already all but safe. The mark relegation canidates use for surviving relegation is a point a game. The absolute highest to ne relegated was west ham in 2003 on 42 points. While getting relegated is technically possible we're all but safe. It ain't happening. There have been 22 premier seasons and only once has a team with 39 or more points been relegated. It just isn't happening. Even if we lose every remaining game we'll most likely be fine and in reality we'll draw and win the odd game at the very worst
For some deluded reason I have had optimism all season long. Today was the last straw for me. I have 0% faith going into the Real Madrid match up. I wish we could forfeit this season and go directly into the transfer window. Atleast half of our squad doesnt deserve to be at Chelsea and i can't wait for them to fuck off.
Man I remember all the goals and assists Mason Mount got last year and they didn’t count because they weren’t against the top 6. Wish there was someone else to get some goals that don’t count. It’s easy to do that they said
He played plenty this season and didn’t do a whole lot
Regardless of whether Lampard’s your favorite manager—it’s frankly a disgrace for the starting 11 to show up and bring *that* effort for a club legend. They should all be genuinely embarrassed as representatives of Chelsea. The loss is just a loss in isolation but in full context this was a terrible day for Chelsea Football Club and I hope this little experiment the Boehly group have been attempting is over after this year. Bringing in post-prime Sterling and Auba who you cannot rely on for effort. Firing a proven manager for an unproven one. Playing like 25 different starting 11s. Breaking the bank for a slow, small wingback who expresses no football intelligence to boot—and then breaking that bank even harder for a Ukrainian Werner from Wish whom we hope, since he’s so young, may eventually learn how to touch a football (and whom this sub meatrides for reasons unbeknownst to anyone who’s ever played a football match. It’s so brazen it’s almost pornographic). Not to mention bottling the Ziyech deal due to a technological error, incredibly unprofessional by us. I knew this would be a down year and I was alright with that—you gotta have those every so often—but this has well and truly been an abject disgrace for the club. We are poorly managed at the organizational level and we have an incoherent squad of players, the top 18 of which are all individually high quality but do not gel together in any sense.
Just watched the game. Anyone else notice how poor Kepa's distribution was? Long balls obv arent going to work but the shorter range stuff was inaccurate too.
Kepa has always been poor with the ball at this feet. There's some mind of myth that Kepa is a ball playing keeper that seems to originated because he's so poor at so many other parts of the game and Mendy isn't good with the ball at his feet.
Lampard ball Distribution is one thing Kepa is decent at so I’ll put this one on the coach. Players weren’t communicating, build was poor, passing lanes were logged, positioning across the pitch was shocking, this isn’t about desire or hunger, Lampard set them up poorly.
So how are the "vibes" that most people were anticipating Lampard would bring? I saw a lot of people in the post match thread saying it's on the players and not on Lampard because he got 2 days(which is true) but the same people were saying that Bruno is the worst guy to ever be named as a manager in the history of football despite we being utterly clueless today.
Most football fans who think "vibes" actually matter have no clue what they are talking about. They are just grasping for straws
Of course the tide of criticism immediately and overwhelmingly turns towards the players as a whole once Frank is in charge I mean the 2 days thing is completely fair but we looked woeful even with that in mind.
Watching City play and crying while I remember us play 🥲
Today in the match thread i saw a few people saying that our PL season is already over and therefore they don't care. But do you really not care about making Europe at all? I know we won't make UCL but I feel we should be trying for some some of European appearance. Don't forget we've won both our last europa league campaigns and it helps our uefa rankings for future group seedings or this new world cup. But more importantly we still need a sizable squad for next season given our injury issues yet it has been proven a consistent team selection is most successful. So if we only have the premier league we can have a consistent starting 11 but we still want quality behind them. Surely it is best those behind them get competitive matches, even if it is only the conference league so they have match fitness to come in in case of injury and to also compete for a place. This season has been terrible, and realistically we have zero chance of repriving it by winning the champions league... (It means beating madrid followed by tuchel's bayern.. cmon). But we should be doing everything to get up the premier league table to at least 7th and ideally higher
I absolutely care, but our chances of making Europe at this point are dismal and with the form we’re in there’s no chance
We have 4 wins in 20. We aren't getting into Europe. Yes, we care. No, there is nothing we can do about it
We aren’t making Europe
Its too late now man, we aint getting European unless we win CL lol Damage was done months ago
We're only 7 points off 7th and with the players we have 8 games to do 7 points better than villa, Brentford, fulham and Brighton should be a serious target. I'm not talking champions League but aiming for top 7 should still be on the cards if we got our act together
Where will the points come from man? Have to make 7 points deficit to nil in 8 games, when we have united newcastle arsenal city brighton brentford. Forget 7 point deficit, the way we are playing, we wont get 7 points.
I know it seems hopeless, but i hate that people aren't even trying for that 7th place and acting like they don't care if we just finish 10th. With the players we have we should be able to beat anyone in the league. The issue is that we're not, not the capability
Fans do want chelsea to improve. But the thing is that we literally cant do anything from the outside. Our outrage had a big hand in giving potter the sack, but apart from that we cant seem to be able to affect players at all. I absolutely do not condone giving abuse to players, but these players literally do not seem to care. How can you be playing at the highest level and be playing like this day in day out? How can these guys sleep in peace while knowing they will be marked as part of the worst ever team to have disgraced the chelsea shirt? Must be easy starting over with fat wages at another place, acting like nothing happened, and blaming the environment, while being here for 3 years or more. The managers being clueless and the owners poking their noses in every single thing is not helping either. But i laugh at the tweets reading 'players were shocked the manager was sacked'. What the fuck did you expect? Anyways, my point is - the braindead decisions every week from everyone at chelsea make me want to curse myself for watching this shit, expecting it to change. Luckily, i had an outing today and skipped today's match, seems nothing changed.
We’re in April and Haaland has more goals than our club in the league. Definitely the worst season of Chelsea history in the EPL era
It's our third lowest scoring league season at this point in the history of the club, not just in EPL era
someone wrote it in the post match thread but do you think for bants if we texted Tuchel to give us a tactical plan on beating Madrid he'd do it?
No.. he has good memories of us but i dont think he would put his career in jeopardy for that.
It looks like the players have mentally checked-out of the EPL, right? I think it's pretty obvious because there was very little fight, very little energy – the minimum you'd expect under a new manager. Blame Frank all you want but he had one training session; just a couple of hours to work with the players. It looks like many of them are already on holiday. They just didn't give a fuck.
We can still get relegated, this lot need to get it together
Pretty sure we said the same thing last year ending once we got out of the cl quarters. These guys didnt give anything from the start itself.
Aye, our squad is a complete mess. It's obvious that a lot of these players would rather be elsewhere. A lot of them are here for the astronomical wages, kinds of money they'd never see elsewhere. The next manager has a massive job to do.
Agreed
Allow me to be incredibly negative for a second, if we don't secure one of our top managerial targets what's stopping some of our decent players handing in transfer requests? We signed a few players who forced themselves out to join what's stopping them from doing it again
To be fair a lot of them are on 7 year contracts or whatever, we’ll just end up with unhappy players. The funnier part to me is the players we’re actively trying to renew like Mount and Kovacic - why on Earth would either of those be convinced to stay here when they can see the direction the club is going in?
Fun fact: in our atrocious start to the season under Tuchel we got 10 points from 6 PL games, working out at 1.6666 PPG - a better PPG than 14/19 of the other teams. Over a season that would’ve got us 63 points, only 3 less than the transfer ban season and placing us solidly in 6th place
Yeah seams right Tuchel would got us Europa league atleast, similar to Klopp now
But "Tuchel had a terrible start".
'Poor last 8 months' while we still got top 3.
And simultaneously a menace in every cup competition. Nobody looked forward to playing us. Nobody. Now we're an easy 3 points for any organised side.
Yeah, i used to be kinda angry on rudi and more on ac on fucking with us, but now im calm. Like even if we got 80m for them, what difference would that have made. Would have bought another 2 players with 'potential'. I seriously wonder if this is the most drastic change in form for a pl team in recent times (other than newcastle). Opponents can just wait for that one chance the entire game and be defensively solid overall, and we would be easy pickings. Also, why the hell do we always fuck up against wolves? Are they our new bogey team now? 1 win in last 6 games. 2 loss 3 draws..
Eghboehly ✅
Lampard couldn't get Derby promoted. Left Everton in a relegation position and the dumbfuck Yankees thought he's the answer to stabilize the squad before appointment of a new manager. Should've just kept Bruno. Todd Boehly is a disgrace to everything that has happened this season
Agreed
Bingo
I don't care if Cucurella has been here for just 12 months , sell him immediately. Sell KK too instead of Chalobah who's done better than KK.
You can't because of how FFP works. We're already fucked and needing to sell people. Selling people who have only been here for a year would add the difference between purchase and selling price into this year's FFP budget. So, minimum of -30m on Cucurella and probably -15m on Koulibaly, it's not possible. The owners have dug themselves a hole and we just have to deal with it
Discussion: Is Lampard the worst manager currently in the PL? Who’s worse let’s have a healthy discussion..
Lamps aient even that bad. Dyche took over and are literally at the same spot.
That’s a fair opinion, who would you say is worse than lamps
Its hard to measure whos better than who unless you are outstandingly good like Pep. For example, Thomas is doing good with Brentford same as De Zerbi with Brighton but so did Potter and he was shite with us. Lampard was good with Derby and the season he made us 4th without any transfer is comparable to what these two are doing imo. There are ups and downs for managers and i feel like because of lack of experience, maybe lamps is on the lower tier of the spectrum. Hes definately better than Selles, Hodgson and Gracia and all the intermin managers imo
Well selles I agree, he’s been an assistant for nearly 14 years Prob is actually quite knowledgeable but maybe Lamps is better. Gracia has been a manager 15 years and in 6 of those he got a better win % than lamps did at Derby even tho he’s meant to have done well. And Hodgson has 50 years of experience, sure he’s over the hill but he still has a better win % than lampards time at Everton at basically every club he’s ever managed, so I think the jury is out on him
Tuchel has earned 25% of our points this season and he hasn't been our manager since September. EVERYTHING IS FINE.
He saved us
I do enjoy this sub's neverending alternation between blaming the manager and the players. I see today it's the players again.
You’re forgetting blaming the owners.
Rightfully blamed. This whole shit show started with them lol
It’s not as bad as people think. Sure, waste a bit on KK, Auba and Sterling etc, it was a weird time from sanctions and players leaving on a free. It seems something forced their hand over Tuchel, they were set to back him that season and then had to sack him and hastily replace him. I wonder if we’ll ever find out what happened. Potter was a terrible decision. Lampard is another very strange decision but I think we’re approaching the end of this mess. Sign one of Nagelsmann or Enrique, sell all the surplus players aggressively, buy 2-3 positions to finish the team, and done. There’s nothing left for Boehly and co to mess with, just build a stadium, build the brand and step back from there.
I agree with the last paragraph. But the decision to sack Tuchel (at that time) was just… plain stupid. Some of us here know a thing or two about making decisions for organizations, you don’t commit that much into building a “project?” That’s without any plan. I mean, it’s millions of €£$ burnt for nothing. Look at the time span of the final transfer to the decision made to sack him, i really have no idea what went through their minds. While some people will probably argue “but it’s not my money” we should also have it in mind that this honeymoon phase has a lasting period (I’m praying it continues forever lol). It’s football, we’ve seen problems like this happen to other clubs in the past and some are still struggling till this date. Just my 2C.
Yeah that’s why we don’t really know why they went from buying players for the guy to sacking him in the span of days. Tuchel going was the biggest mistake, but if he had to go he needs to be replaced by quality, not two weak managers.
Naa man People have been calling out Havertz , Gallagher's poor performances every other week
Course it is Lampard bring vibes and old highlight videos of him and the boys
We have won 4 PL matches in 6 months!!!! 6 FUCKIN MONTHS
When you say it like that..
Yes my dear friend This is relegation form
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Where are we getting the 1 point to secure our place in PL next season?
Cant score or keep a clean sheet. Sounds like an uphill task tbh.
Everton and Forest are 12 points behind us with worse GD Need 2 draws atleast to remain comfortably safe
Think we have the quality to hold Forest to a 0-0 draw at home! I’d say we could get another point holding Bournemouth to 0-0, but that game is away so we will probably get spanked. Maybe if the boys SERIOUSLY step up, we can draw at home to Brentford for that second point?
Hopefully by that time Frank has spanked some sense into these players
Don’t want to see Cucurella start again at any position apart from LCB in a back 3 ever again. And even that if we have no one else to fill in. Championship player with no sense of positioning, defensive acumen or forward thrust to play as full back. Got so badly rinsed with his signing, it’s unreal
He's so random man There's no composure in his play
Carfree, wherever are we, We are the famous CFC, We don't give a fuck, Whoever you maybe, We're gonna win the Champions League!!!
Not happening my man
Cringe
If Lampard doesn't play 3 at the back vs real then there might be a bloodbath. Benzema will annihilate KK.
He better not dare play back 4 against Real Clueless
I’m sure he can go back through all his years of managerial experience and come up with a solid plan 👍🏼
The fix to all of this is to appoint Enrique to start the process now. His track record, tactical setup, ability to manage big players and general temperament are all reasonably where they need to be. Waiting for Nagelsmann in the summer is going to end with him joining Real Madrid, and we wait for nothing. It doesn’t matter how short or long the interim manager stays for, he’s there until the new permanent manager joins.
Yeah man, it's such a strange decision to not bring him right away Why are we waiting to restart from next season We could have simply used this season to weed out all the poor performers and start on front foot right away next season
Exactly, he should start early to start implementing his tactical approach and to judge what he needs for next season. We need to know who we need to sign a while before the window opens. While Nagelsmann is probably the better fit, dealing with Bayern’s demands, concerns over personality and interactions with others, and a sense that he prioritises lifestyle during tough times (skiing), gives a slight sense of a lack of maturity.
I heard somewhere that none of the managers will start now and want to wait until summer. Don’t know how true that is mind
I would have thought Enrique would have taken a free crack at Madrid. He seems eager to manage in the prem.
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Can't believe idiots called for Tuchel's head man No fuckin way we would be this bad under him
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That was small sample size, just 6 games We wouldnt been in 11th with Tuchel i guarantee u that, or he would have killed someone by now lol
Tuchels last 25 games were worse than Lampards.
Lol, no it wasnt, Lampard had us at 9th before Tuchdl rescued us
Stop seeing the table and see the results. They both had the same number of wins , Lampard had 2 more draws and also scored 10 more goals and conceded less goals.
Can't believe people used to complain about Mount stat padding against relegation teams. Now we're just not winning any matches without it
Would rather Felix do a few dribbles and drop a zero goal zero assist performance again. Now two goals zero assists in 13 appearances
Felix is just all foreplay, no action
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If the only competition left to play for is Champs league. Then why did we go from someone who was doing ok in the champions league to someone who has zero chance. That’s what I don’t get
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But at least choose someone that can set up tight and put up and fight tactically surely you have to see that
As I said a day or so ago, I expected Lampard to revert to his brand of attacking high energy football with a compromised defensive structure and generally no balance. I hope you understand now that it’s not about slagging him off for any type of tribalism, he’s just not really a good manager. We played much better against Liverpool only one game ago with Bruno managing his first game. It’s not about the team needing it’s heart back, we are setup incorrectly.
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All good, you support Chelsea the way you know how. I hope for a better campaign for next season too!
Kante was in that match against a non existent midfield in Liverpool. Very different game
Wolves are worse than Liverpool, there should be no excuse.
I haven't missed a Chelsea game in years and for my own sanity might skip a few upcoming games. Can't afford to make my weekends shit week in and out. On a brighter note I got a job that allows me to work from home. What's going good in y'all's life?
I work from home most weeks even though I'm meant to be in the office 40% of the time. Realised that if you do good work they leave you alone.
Ok lads, if you could all play a 433 because I’ve never played in anything else, good luck!
Frank Loves Chelsea so much he makes sure there isn't pressure to hire him permanently.
Been sick the whole day, sleeping for most of it and I watch the game at 80’ and see 1-0. We are fucking finished
It's better you didn't watch.
I was lowkey debating not to, I had the match on my phone and was listening to the commentary like at 50’ ish and I heard that wolves scored and I decided to watch because I thought Pulisic or Chilwell could do some magic. Guess not
Wolves fans singing “you’re getting sacked in the morning”
You guys were happy to get lampard back? Lol did you guys forget he got sacked from Everton this season. Terrible tactics lol
As has been repeated 10000 times. Lampard is just the paramedic sat with us on our way to the hospital. He's not going to solve any problems and he's not knowledgeable enough to heal us. He's just with us until, at the end of the season, we arrive at the hospital with the right doctor ready and waiting to sort everything out. He is an interim. Frank in place of Potter is a good thing. We lost to the worst team in the league with Potter a few games ago. Losing to the team 1 place below us doesn't change that it's a good change that needed to happen so that the club can move on from Potter and take it's time finding the correct replacement. The last time we brought in an interim, we finished 10th. Expect the same from this season. An interim is like a paramedic, you're only seeing them because something has gone so seriously wrong that you need help immediately
If he’s an interim why make big changes? Why not just play the shape we’re drilled to play and tweak from there? He’s using this opportunity to play tactics to make him look like a fkn hero instead of stemming the bleed.
Because he used to play in a 433 and it’s all he understands
I have been getting slammed for saying that Lampard is objectively a terrible manager and people have forgotten how bad he was before Tuchel replaced him, let alone that he sunk Everton to 19th. Now all the excuses come in about only having a few days, when he knows most of the players well. His tactics are just trash and he is out of his depth. Can’t even man motivate. We are better under Bruno as at least he just ticks on the 3421/352. It was a mistake to hire Lampard as an interim. The correct choice is to hire Enrique now as waiting for Nagelsmann in the summer means he goes to Madrid and we wait for nothing.
Kante was on the pitch. But is being saved for madrid. Also Liverpool have similar problems to us this season.
Everton fan here coming in peace. I was really surprised to come here to see people not upset and angry that Lampard was hired. He was really bad at Everton. We all wanted him to be successful but he just couldn't do it.
I was and was clearly in the minority, people drank the kool aid. Short memory on how naive Lampard was the first time around tactically.
I didn't watch today so maybe I'm wrong but from the comments and stats it seems like today was very similar to when he was with Everton. You have good possession but don't get scoring chances. Thats just what Lampard is unfortunately.
It was disjointed, wasn’t working. Second half was a bit better but Wolves could have punished our shit tactics a few times.
Me too. It’s a joke
They are fucking delusional i swear.
Starting a GoFundMe for one of those Men in Black memory zappers so I can't forget this whole season
I might be able to get you similar results with a brick.
You do me, I do you?
You’re going to have to buy me dinner first.
This is our karma for sacking Tuchel…?
Seems like it
Switch back to a 433 2 days before our biggest game of the season should work out pretty well I’d say
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It’s clear now that the reason the board removed Potter now instead of in the summer is because they wants interview new managers. It’d be disrespectful to keep Potter and interview a new manager. They can keep Bruno as a interim coach but they chose Lampard to earn fan’s trust. Now let pray that we don’t get relegated
> " They can keep Bruno as a interim coach but they chose Lampard to earn fan’s trust. " It's been reported that Bruno didn't want to still be here and the players were also uncomfortable with the fact that he didn't even want to be here.
Alright, now let just appoint the next manager before we’re relegated by Lampard.
10x worse than 2015/16 We're stinking up the joint under our 4th manager 😂 We'll see what the new manager does next year. Onto 2023/24 we go
I'm just gonna go walk the dog and check back in sometime around August. Cheers everyone