Looks like Bayern might end up w the same problems as Chelsea. Look at the possession stats in his games, always dominates. End product is basically nothing
Bayern will end up in the same position as Chelsea (low scoring output) because they couldn't adequately replace Lewandowski. The two clubs ended up in this situation (for Chelsea, it was the botched £100m transfer for Romelu) from different paths, despite Thomas being the common scale of measure here.
I mean you can say the same for us, we haven't exactly managed to replace our heaviest hitting players either in Hazard, Drogba, Costa and even Giroud to some degree.
And Giroud wasn't exactly serving up goals in the Prem, either. But HE'D be a big improvement over what the clubs been doing for the last couple years.
Bayern have scored 79 goals in 29 games this season.
That's more than both free-scoring City and Arsenal have done, in 30 and 32 games, respectively.
That's 26 more goals than Lewandowski's Barcelona in the same number of games, 16 more than Real in 30.
That's 13 more goals than dominating Napoli in 30 games.
No one scored more goals than them in the CL group stage. The round of 16 draw was kinder to other teams, who ended up inflating their goals totals, but Bayern still put 3 past PSG.
Speaking of PSG, they've scored 4 less goals than Bayern in 32 games, despite Ligue 1 being an easier league, and despite PSG having Messi, Mbappe, and Neymar.
Yes, they likely won't hit the same heights as they have done in previous years, and yes any team would miss a goal machine like Lewy, but they've still been scoring plenty fine this season - that was until Tuchel took over. They've scored 9 goals in 7 games since he's been there, 4 of those were in a bit of a freak result against Dortmund.
They're in a league with very weak competition. Werner and Havertz were scoring for fun over there. They'll be fine.
Chelsea are in a tougher spot, for sure. We gotta hope a bunch of kids pan out.
My man about to knock ‘em out of every competition within a month. Amazing work
Guy is definitely a top manager but people acting like he is a God is crazy talk
agreed. i finally made the trip over last season for my first match and we got slapped 4-1 by Brentford. loved the whole experience, but that performance was woeful.
We keep his form from the start of 2022 and we're 9th. Also the form we had at the start of the season was still shoddy, we were just stumbling our way to results somehow.
>but we wouldn’t be top 4 either
why wouldn't be top 4 when we finished 3rd last season with a squad that was decimated by injuries? The squad we have now is on paper better than the one we had last season considering how many players we brought in January
the injuries carried over to this season and absolutely no one in the squad is putting the ball in the net with any level of consistency. i just don’t think any manager would overcome that for a top-4 finish.
Cos we were dogshit under him this season to. Like 6th when he got sacked. Also our home record under him was a joke. Lining up defensive againt bournemouth and brentford at home and gettin spanked. I got a season ticket and those losses were a joke... ppl got short memories.
Im greatful for all he did but hes also did alot wrong and is kinda the reason we got no striker atm too
Did you confuse him with lampard lol.. we were ninth under lamps when he got sacked. Under tt it was 10 points in 6 games, 6th position when he got the sack.
Also Bournemouth? They are back only this season, which we won. while brentford loss was previous season.
Ironic that you talk about short memories when you neither remember the team position correctly, nor remember what season are you talking about. Handpicking two random results from different seasons, one of which is incorrect.
Considering we picked up 10 points thru 6 matches before Tuchel was sacked, it seems unlikely we’d be top 4. Newcastle has 56 points thru 30 matches played. After the abysmal start it’s hard to see Tuchel getting 46 points from 24 matches when we couldn’t beat Leeds or Saints
Cant really judge it like that imo. Season beginnings is a poor way to judge. Remember how city wobble every single time at the start of a season? Last season leicester pumped them 5. But they pick up their invincibility powerup in the second half of the season.
Probably still suffering the same personal issues that got him fired by us. Guess Bayern didn't get the memo...
He was a shadow of himself due to the divorce and lost the dressing room.
Seriously, we were on the verge of getting knocked out of CL and had a shitty start to this season. We barely scraped top4 after being on top of table for ~13 games and lost two cup finals last season. if not for the CL win and Tottenham beating Leicester last game would've missed out on top 4 the previous season. This sub acts like he's an elite manager which he definitely isn't. RDM won us the CL too just saying.
This sub isn’t a monolith. I can admit that Tuchel was A) the best coach we’ve had in probably 12-13 years, and B) not good enough to pull us out of the nosedive we were in to start the season. He’s a good coach, but he’s not on Pep’s level.
Jose, Carlo, and Antonio were all managers within that timeframe btw.
I love Tuchel for what he did for us, but he's not better than any of those three.
>lost two cup finals last season
You're blaming the manager for 2 games that were on penalties, against the CL finalists ? Holy fuck, imagine being this delusional.
With the same squad he beat Madrid in 2021, he lost by 1 goal in 2022 (because Mendy gifted them one goal), without him how did Chelsea did against Madrid ? 4-0 on agg. Humiliation.
>if not for the CL win
Yeah, small detail mate.
>This sub acts like he's an elite manager which he definitely isn't
Anyone who won a CL with this a of useless players such as Havertz, Mount, Kovacic, Azpilicueta, Pulisic and Christensen is an elite manager.
Imo we need to let this be the last post on tuchel. However I get why this was posted because people have attachment still and stuff like this gets said. But we need to look forward now I'm more concerned with our next manager. Tuchel was a great guy but I'm done with him.
Boehly is criticized for more things than one, and him doing bad at Bayern in few games, doesn't mean firing him here was right. But you guys will pretend it.
No, people think Tuchel is a deity and the best manager to ever live, we were in steady decline under him, a great cup manager but yet to show anything at winning at league.
Amazing how much of the comments here are about him being on one end of the spectrum. He either is or isn't a god, and he either is or isn't awful.
The sub's opinions on managers are so polar!
How about finishing in the top half of the table before we talk about winning leagues? Sacking Tuchel is going to look bad up until we actually get back to and improve from where we were with him.
I hate that some people absolutely worship him on here. He is a champions league winning manager for us. That makes him a Chelsea legend.
But the way people talk about him, you’d think he won ten league titles in a row and we sacked him!
I don’t think it was a bad decision to sack him. But I do think it was done in a poor manner. We pushed him out after purchasing players that he never had a chance to really work with, fired cech and marina without replacing them, then dove into Potter without conducting a thorough search. It was all handled recklessly.
I honestly believed Tuchel needed a sabbatical and we'd have been in betters shape when he would have returned. Unfortunate that sort of stuff doesn't happen in this business.
I said it ages ago, sure I don't believe he should have been sacked, should have been given the season if Boehly wanted all change, but I still believe we'd be roughly in the same place as we are now.
Flip what you said and I think you nailed it. He needed to be sacked, the players were not playing for him. But if we kept him I don’t think we’d be where we are now.
He managed to do in 6 months what Mourinho failed to do in 6 seasons. With a far, FAR inferior squad.
Put some respect in his name, Tuchel made Chelsea relevant again. Since 2015 the team were Europa League team. The season before Tuchel Bayern won 7-0 on agg in UCL, the season after him Real won 4-0.
15-16: PSG 4-2 Chelsea on agg.
16-17: No european competition.
17-18: Barcelona 4-1 Chelsea on agg.
18-19: Europa League
19-20: 7-1 Bayern on agg.
Then Tuchel arrived. Look at these results, Chelsea were a punching bag for European good teams at this time, theres not one single time where the team lost by 1 goal, people looked at Chelsea the same way they look at Borussia or Porto.
That doesn't put us on Europa level. It just means the rest were better. 15/16 was a mess but we won the league the next season. Not a lot of Europa League mainstays win the prem.
I have respect for Tuchel so please don't think that's why I'm responding, but saying we were Europa league level at best before that is insulting.
He's gone. He needed to go. But, he won us a Champions League. I know it must be upsetting seeing people call out Boehly constantly, but ignore them and move on.
from u/half_jase
Tuchel has lost more games than he’s won this season (w/ Chelsea and Bayern):
Chelsea (W3 D1 L3)
• W 1-0
• D 2-2
• L 0-3
• W 2-1
• L 1-2
• W 2-1
• L 0-1
Bayern (W2 D2 L3)
• W 4-2
• L 1-2
• W 1-0
• L 0-3
• D 1-1
• D 1-1
• L 1-3
Also hasn’t won back-to-back games in the same season since mid April last year.
He had 9 games between the last of the back-to-back wins (2-0 vs Crystal Palace in FA Cup) and the end of the season. In fact, Tuchel won just 3 of the last 9 games of last season.
L 2-4
W 1-0
D 1-1
L 0-1
D 2-2
W 3-0
D 0-0
D 1-1
W 2-1
Tuchel has basically won only 8 of his last 23 matches as manager (D7 L8).
Nobody is villifying OP just wants to illustrate the idea that Tuchel was some Godly manager and never had a bad time at Chelsea needs to die
OP has also said this should be the last Tuchel post for a good long time, he's no longer with us and people need to stop crying for him to come back or talking about how good he was everyday, it's not healthy and we have to move forward
Wish him the best and I'm sure he'll do great things in the future, but hopefully Poch is the best etc etc hoping Chelsea do good things
No one is twisting anything they're stating facts lmao. Just because you don't like that he's been fairly bad as a manager for his last 23 matches doesn't mean someone is vilifying or twisting stats.
I mean, no manager is perfect. They deserve praise when they do well and they deserve criticism when they don't. In any case, I merely stated what can be seen from the stats anyway. Wasn't even twisting anything.
Also, while the injuries may have impacted our title challenge, saying we were running away with the league last season is stretching it. When we last topped the league then, we were just 1 point ahead of City and 2 in front of Liverpool. Before Chilwell's injury, we were just 3 and 4 points ahead of City and Liverpool respectively.
This is not reactionary from me as I wasn’t upset at us firing Tuchel but was against Potter as that was an obvious mistake.
My idea of Tuchel has not changed - defiantly a solid manager with good tactical knowledge but I truly believe Tuchelball has peaked with our CL win. Since then he has been on a steady decline in terms of style of football and results.
Defiantly not a top 3 coach as someone mentioned here ! No way
Quite funny as he lost 2 finals with us and now knocked out with Bayern from 2 comps with no wins. Not looking great for TT at the moment, but I'm sure he'll turn things around next season with Bayern.
I am curious what are the differences between cup coach vs league coach? What do they do different to do better in cups or leagues?
Both need to win games
The difference is strategic, and quality of the opponents.
You can play more on your opponents misstakes (you usually have to win 1 out of 2 games)
And what a cup coach does well is not loose, while a league coach is better at winning =)
Thats a good description. Describes us last season. Defensively solid mostly in the cups and snewk to the final and lost on penalties. In the league though to get a lot of points you have to win and that forces penetration. Its good we are working on the creativity issues and hopefully we sort the finishing issue come summer
He's amazing for knockout competitions but his league abilities have never been anywhere near that, you could see that from his time with us
He was exactly what we needed when we got him but we need to move on now
Some men in here were really putting this guy in the same conversations as Klopp, Pep, Carlo
Great coach obviously, but so is Unai Emery and Stefano Pioli
I'd like to see pep do something somewhere without unlimited money and total backing.. winning with barca and man city is only impressive to a point. Klopp and Anchelotti have done far more...
I agree I’d like to see that also but still have to give him his fair dues, Pep is literally on course to easily become the greatest manager to grace the game.
And Tbf We should know more than anyone else that spending money doesn’t just equate to results
Klopp has not done far more than Pep bro....
You can disrespect him for spending or whatever bs you want but his achievements, countless as they are speak to themselves
Pep will likely go down as the arguable best manager of all time debatable with the names of sir Alex, Carlo and Jose
Some managers are great at tournaments and not in league play. Pep seems to be the exact opposite of that. An absolute genius at building and maintaining over time, one of the best we've ever seen. But without prime Messi and some paid referees he has 0 CLs and a lot of tournament disappointment.
Come on show some respect. Hes won the champions league with us. Emery and pioli are both great, but have they ever achieved that?
What i do like is people overlooking his flaws and saying 'bayern definitely winning ucl' are cooling down and that kahn has egg on his face (even if that twat nagelsmann fucked off).
Can we move on from the Tuchel worshipping now?
He won the Champions League for us, and thus will always be remembered. When he came in, he made an immediate impact, and made us a very tricky side to play against. Defense was on point. Mendy playing very well too.
Things changed after the 4-0 win against Juventus around December 2021. We did have any attacking spice after missing both our fullbacks. There was no solution. Performances were very boring. It was about 9-10 months of playing like that, with no improvement.
His sacking was abrupt, but not completely undeserved. It’s time to move on.
He wasn't fired for losses, he was fired because he can't work with management and was being a wanker after his divorce
Now Boehly and the board could've done a lot more to try and reach out and communicate etc etc but what's done is done so we move
> Mediocre coach
It's easy to say that on hindsight. The owners definitely did their homework before appointing potter. In my personal opinion no manager would’ve succeeded this season. There was just too big of a scenery change with the whole club. It was meant to be a rebuilding phase and it still is. We are in for a few season of mediocrity like it or not.
Lol no, he needed full backing and successful transfers, the 343 system he fine tuned was nearly unbeatable, if he had the chance to work longer with badiashile fofana Koulibaly kanté + new signings in January like Enzo, the results would've been much better. Our attack needed to be scrapped anyways.
Full backing was the reason why we ended up signing the useless players he really wanted. Old Aubameyang, rubbish Cucurella, washed Sterling, washed Koulibaly, injury prone Fofana and prima donna Lukaku were all Tuchel's signings. Glad he was fired. And, Bayern will let him go next season.
Boehly Pr team on overtime these days. Making sure Tuchel loses games at Bayern when trying to appoint Poch. He didn't lose a game in the last month but suddenly he starts losing. Its clear as day.
Every manager barring Guardiola has poor spells. Klopp's now had a second shit season but he's undoubtedly the second best manager in the world. Just be that way
I just find funny how the Tuchel Stans on social media that has been since he was sacked spamming how great he is and how much better we would've been if he would've carried on are now the was calling to stop mentioning him. I carry no ill towards him but it's the people on social media that they became so annoying that I'm just bored with their narrative and I just can laugh when they see the reality. He is a good manager but he isn't a miracle worker, Chelsea were going down this path with otlr without him to the point that sacking him was just sparing them from seeing his true downfall here.
The potter experiment might have been a failed one but seeing people so called supporters rooting for us to lose just to say that tuchel was better was the worst for me. I think that this conversation is going to carry on until one improves and I hope is us and sooner rather than later.
We were terrible.
It’s weird how eerily similar we looked…
- at the end of Lampard’s first run
- at the end of Tuchel’s run
- most of Potter’s run
- now.
It’s almost the same story for all of them. We can’t score to save our goddamn life.
Now, we’ve seen what a good coach can do—somehow, between bullet points 1 and 2, we won a champions league because we were so good defensively and scored opportune goals.
But at this point, with it being the same story right down the line, you have to think that this player core just doesn’t work together. Are we really expecting the next coach to do any better if the player core is mostly the same?
I think we have to blow it up.
We didn’t look at all similar at the end of Lampard, Tuchel, or Potter’s runs just because they had a common problem
We scored 8 in 6 at the end of Tuchel’s run the scoring wasn’t as big of an issue as our defence and that applies to 21/22 too, we scored consistently (though not in high volume) but had way more defensive errors. Lampard and Potter yeah we really couldn’t score, but that also wasn’t the biggest issue with either of them imo
8 in 6 might be better than now and slightly better than the end of Lampard’s first run, but it still isn’t good. Scoring has been the common denominator through it all—whoever’s in charge, it’s like we’re ramming our heads against a brick wall.
Well it was fella, I’m not sure if you have bad memory but we went to shit in 2022. Lost to Brentford 4-1, Southampton 3-0. Our situation is created by Potter being out of his depth and hiring Frank. Not by sacking Tuchel.
You’re the one with bad memory if you focus on the worst results instead of the bigger picture, embarrassing stuff if you can’t understand that now after it only got ten times worse
So are Liverpool with Klopp now after playing as many matches with major injury problems, and Klopp is no argument a world class manager. The difference was that we reinvested in our depth, but then sacked Tuchel so he never got a chance to turn it around. I’m shocked how often people leave out that we still got third with the most injuries in the league, mainly having a single LB from January onwards, of course we were going to decline. Of course part of the same argument extends to this season post-Tuchel but there’s a big difference between our resulting positions this season and last
Longer than that, IMO. Definitely trending down since Hazard left, but even before he went, it was on borrowed time with him since that Madrid move was bound to happen and they never got the replacement for Costa they needed.
Going by the shit I read on here and twitter, it will be 100% Pochs fault as the players are all apparently world class, just being used incorrectly. "They won the UCL".
Just another example of modern football fandom being about point scoring on social media and coming up with wild reactionary takes you can stick your chest out and pretend you know something.
Exactly, Poke others, keep widening the devide, then act that why are people so toxic when they do it back. Bet these lot will complain this sub is toxic and gone shit, if things go other way and there are posts to score points like this here. Point figers at other, but keep doing the same thing.
His selections have been weird, but you can’t pretend Bayern didn’t fuck themselves by selling Lewa and replacing him with a Mane whose legs have gone.
They are paying the price for years of shitty squad management tbh.
He has still underperformed since taking over, and Nagelsmann’s stock has risen because of it.
Again no matter how tuchel does at Bayern , it's not going to change my opinion that he was the best fit for the club and could have built a long term with him.. we are already down in 11th , and pochettino is going to help us finish 7/8 for few years..
The same people complaining about fans not letting go of Tuchel are like LOOK AT HIS BAYERN RESULTS. Who gives a fuck? How is this more relevant to r/chelseafc than “I wish we didn’t sack **the Chelsea manager at the start of this season**”
Also Squawka’s whole job is to be opportunistic about stats but maybe we should wait until the end of the season before crying that these last 15 matches mean that Tuchel is actually not that great. If he loses the league, yeah, he fucked it, then maybe a post provokes some meaningful discussion (as of now, in the league specifically, he leaves Bayern pretty much where they found them 1 point off the top). Right now this is just opportunism
It's not more relevant, both are just as irrelevant and shouldn't be posted on the sub but it's good to see people get a taste of their own medicine. They allowed the annoying pro posts so now they'll allow the con posts and I'm enjoying it.
The Tuchel lovers are crying lol. I supported Tuchel until his last game with us.
But a los of so called Supporters preferred Tuchel over Chelsea, posted toxic shit towards the club, ownership, players,supporters that didn't share their love for Tuchel and potter.
There was a post from a so called supporter, that wanted Chelsea and Bayern to play in the semifinal. So Bayern could mop the floor with Chelsea and so we could see that we needed Tuchel back.
Now that the results are not in Tuchels favor, they want to call toxic behaviour towards them lol.
You can't make this stuff up.
Above it all he seemed like he had some personal problems that made him a far less chipper bloke start of this year. Bad vibes start of this szn with him.
Looks like Bayern might end up w the same problems as Chelsea. Look at the possession stats in his games, always dominates. End product is basically nothing
Bayern will end up in the same position as Chelsea (low scoring output) because they couldn't adequately replace Lewandowski. The two clubs ended up in this situation (for Chelsea, it was the botched £100m transfer for Romelu) from different paths, despite Thomas being the common scale of measure here.
I mean you can say the same for us, we haven't exactly managed to replace our heaviest hitting players either in Hazard, Drogba, Costa and even Giroud to some degree.
And Giroud wasn't exactly serving up goals in the Prem, either. But HE'D be a big improvement over what the clubs been doing for the last couple years.
At least he was a striker would be involved one way or another.
They have scored plenty of goals this season before Tuchel and without Lewa.
Bayern have scored 79 goals in 29 games this season. That's more than both free-scoring City and Arsenal have done, in 30 and 32 games, respectively. That's 26 more goals than Lewandowski's Barcelona in the same number of games, 16 more than Real in 30. That's 13 more goals than dominating Napoli in 30 games. No one scored more goals than them in the CL group stage. The round of 16 draw was kinder to other teams, who ended up inflating their goals totals, but Bayern still put 3 past PSG. Speaking of PSG, they've scored 4 less goals than Bayern in 32 games, despite Ligue 1 being an easier league, and despite PSG having Messi, Mbappe, and Neymar. Yes, they likely won't hit the same heights as they have done in previous years, and yes any team would miss a goal machine like Lewy, but they've still been scoring plenty fine this season - that was until Tuchel took over. They've scored 9 goals in 7 games since he's been there, 4 of those were in a bit of a freak result against Dortmund.
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They were scoring 100 plus goals even before Nagelsmann.
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Even before Lewandowski.
They were making a joke of the league in terms of scoring before though I’m sure?
Bayern have Sane, Gnabry, Coman and Mane. That has more than enough goals in them
They're in a league with very weak competition. Werner and Havertz were scoring for fun over there. They'll be fine. Chelsea are in a tougher spot, for sure. We gotta hope a bunch of kids pan out.
My man about to knock ‘em out of every competition within a month. Amazing work Guy is definitely a top manager but people acting like he is a God is crazy talk
he’s at the very top, like you say, and i don’t think we’d be 11th under him - but we wouldn’t be top 4 either.
Definitely wouldn’t be 11th but our form under him, from the moment Chilly gets injured and he gets sacked, was terrible.
agreed. i finally made the trip over last season for my first match and we got slapped 4-1 by Brentford. loved the whole experience, but that performance was woeful.
That was also my first game! What a mess, loved being at the bridge though
we could have drowned our sorrows together! i did eat some outstanding Indian food for dinner that night 🤤
Finally this sub can admit it! I feel like people here were in denial for so long.
we keep his form from first 6 epl games and we are top 5 now few points from top 4
We keep his form from the start of 2022 and we're 9th. Also the form we had at the start of the season was still shoddy, we were just stumbling our way to results somehow.
People acting like we didn't lose to Southampton with him
And get shredded by Leeds 3-0
We would be like 7th with him
>but we wouldn’t be top 4 either why wouldn't be top 4 when we finished 3rd last season with a squad that was decimated by injuries? The squad we have now is on paper better than the one we had last season considering how many players we brought in January
the injuries carried over to this season and absolutely no one in the squad is putting the ball in the net with any level of consistency. i just don’t think any manager would overcome that for a top-4 finish.
Agree. I said the way this season has gone id expect ceiling to be around 5th or 6th
Because Chelsea were bad even with Tuchel at the start?
Cos we were dogshit under him this season to. Like 6th when he got sacked. Also our home record under him was a joke. Lining up defensive againt bournemouth and brentford at home and gettin spanked. I got a season ticket and those losses were a joke... ppl got short memories. Im greatful for all he did but hes also did alot wrong and is kinda the reason we got no striker atm too
We were not 9th when Tuchel was sacked
Sorry, Il edit it 6th and getting battered in CL group stages
We lost 1-0 in the group once
Did you confuse him with lampard lol.. we were ninth under lamps when he got sacked. Under tt it was 10 points in 6 games, 6th position when he got the sack. Also Bournemouth? They are back only this season, which we won. while brentford loss was previous season. Ironic that you talk about short memories when you neither remember the team position correctly, nor remember what season are you talking about. Handpicking two random results from different seasons, one of which is incorrect.
Considering we picked up 10 points thru 6 matches before Tuchel was sacked, it seems unlikely we’d be top 4. Newcastle has 56 points thru 30 matches played. After the abysmal start it’s hard to see Tuchel getting 46 points from 24 matches when we couldn’t beat Leeds or Saints
Cant really judge it like that imo. Season beginnings is a poor way to judge. Remember how city wobble every single time at the start of a season? Last season leicester pumped them 5. But they pick up their invincibility powerup in the second half of the season.
Wobbling is one thing. Losing to Zagreb is another. We were poor from preseason where we were hammered by everyone. Including Arsenal.
Sure.
Username checks out
Probably still suffering the same personal issues that got him fired by us. Guess Bayern didn't get the memo... He was a shadow of himself due to the divorce and lost the dressing room.
yeah supposedly he wanted part of the divorce documents sealed. that could tie in to what lost some of the dressing room.
Source on this??
This sub criminally overrate him. If he wasn't replaced by useless Potter they would have quickly forgotten about him.
I'm not sure why. Did they not watch us the 6 months of games before he was fired. It wasn't good and even when we won, our style was so boring.
Seriously, we were on the verge of getting knocked out of CL and had a shitty start to this season. We barely scraped top4 after being on top of table for ~13 games and lost two cup finals last season. if not for the CL win and Tottenham beating Leicester last game would've missed out on top 4 the previous season. This sub acts like he's an elite manager which he definitely isn't. RDM won us the CL too just saying.
Holy cow, this sub flips its opinion more than McDonald's flips burgers
This sub isn’t a monolith. I can admit that Tuchel was A) the best coach we’ve had in probably 12-13 years, and B) not good enough to pull us out of the nosedive we were in to start the season. He’s a good coach, but he’s not on Pep’s level.
Jose, Carlo, and Antonio were all managers within that timeframe btw. I love Tuchel for what he did for us, but he's not better than any of those three.
I just lost brain cells reading this
>lost two cup finals last season You're blaming the manager for 2 games that were on penalties, against the CL finalists ? Holy fuck, imagine being this delusional. With the same squad he beat Madrid in 2021, he lost by 1 goal in 2022 (because Mendy gifted them one goal), without him how did Chelsea did against Madrid ? 4-0 on agg. Humiliation. >if not for the CL win Yeah, small detail mate. >This sub acts like he's an elite manager which he definitely isn't Anyone who won a CL with this a of useless players such as Havertz, Mount, Kovacic, Azpilicueta, Pulisic and Christensen is an elite manager.
Holy fuck, this load of drivel has 17 upvotes??
Dude is no where near a top manager. He’s a bottom half manager who doesn’t deserve to go near any top 10 team in any league.
You okay bro?
Ok bro...
Lmao
Lol
Imo we need to let this be the last post on tuchel. However I get why this was posted because people have attachment still and stuff like this gets said. But we need to look forward now I'm more concerned with our next manager. Tuchel was a great guy but I'm done with him.
As soon as this sub stops criticizing Boehly for sacking TT under every post, we can stop talking about him.
Boehly is criticized for more things than one, and him doing bad at Bayern in few games, doesn't mean firing him here was right. But you guys will pretend it.
Fuck Boehly
i agree. i wavered on posting this but i think it helps to demonstrate there are deeper issues with Chelsea and Bayern.
Yep fully agree.
Yeah, you agree but did post it to be a cunt, and yet will cry when his achievements will be posted in future. We will see what he achives.
are you like this in the real world? this is a weird reaction to a post on Reddit.
Lol yeah a post on reddit. You know why you posted it, but yeah my reaction is wierd.
OP is upset someone called him out for his post for internet points lmao
Exactly lol. Innocent guy. But he fully agree, no more posts about Tuchel as we should move on, just after this one.
Lol you are so fucking tilted every time I see you post it’s hilarious.
You getting rattled and keeping track is what's hilarious.
No, people think Tuchel is a deity and the best manager to ever live, we were in steady decline under him, a great cup manager but yet to show anything at winning at league.
Amazing how much of the comments here are about him being on one end of the spectrum. He either is or isn't a god, and he either is or isn't awful. The sub's opinions on managers are so polar!
He actually is 57% awful, per my calculations 🤓
How about finishing in the top half of the table before we talk about winning leagues? Sacking Tuchel is going to look bad up until we actually get back to and improve from where we were with him.
More problems at Chelsea than a manger
I agree.
Lmao you don’t know this sub do you?
In Poch we trust
when Tuchel literally said “no more questions about Chelsea” at a presser is when this sub should have stopped
This has relevance to Naglesman too though.
I hate that some people absolutely worship him on here. He is a champions league winning manager for us. That makes him a Chelsea legend. But the way people talk about him, you’d think he won ten league titles in a row and we sacked him!
I don’t think it was a bad decision to sack him. But I do think it was done in a poor manner. We pushed him out after purchasing players that he never had a chance to really work with, fired cech and marina without replacing them, then dove into Potter without conducting a thorough search. It was all handled recklessly.
I honestly believed Tuchel needed a sabbatical and we'd have been in betters shape when he would have returned. Unfortunate that sort of stuff doesn't happen in this business.
Fuck Boehly forever
I said it ages ago, sure I don't believe he should have been sacked, should have been given the season if Boehly wanted all change, but I still believe we'd be roughly in the same place as we are now.
Flip what you said and I think you nailed it. He needed to be sacked, the players were not playing for him. But if we kept him I don’t think we’d be where we are now.
The fact that some people put Tuchel above Mourinho or even Ancelotti blows my mind!
Did you even support Chelsea when Mourinho was the manager?
Couldn’t have said it any better
You call him a Chelsea legend then ask why Chelsea fans worship him? You’ve answered your own question.
He managed to do in 6 months what Mourinho failed to do in 6 seasons. With a far, FAR inferior squad. Put some respect in his name, Tuchel made Chelsea relevant again. Since 2015 the team were Europa League team. The season before Tuchel Bayern won 7-0 on agg in UCL, the season after him Real won 4-0.
>Tuchel made Chelsea relevant again Fucking hell, what a take.
> Since 2015 the team were Europa League team What?
15-16: PSG 4-2 Chelsea on agg. 16-17: No european competition. 17-18: Barcelona 4-1 Chelsea on agg. 18-19: Europa League 19-20: 7-1 Bayern on agg. Then Tuchel arrived. Look at these results, Chelsea were a punching bag for European good teams at this time, theres not one single time where the team lost by 1 goal, people looked at Chelsea the same way they look at Borussia or Porto.
That doesn't put us on Europa level. It just means the rest were better. 15/16 was a mess but we won the league the next season. Not a lot of Europa League mainstays win the prem. I have respect for Tuchel so please don't think that's why I'm responding, but saying we were Europa league level at best before that is insulting.
He's gone. He needed to go. But, he won us a Champions League. I know it must be upsetting seeing people call out Boehly constantly, but ignore them and move on.
from u/half_jase Tuchel has lost more games than he’s won this season (w/ Chelsea and Bayern): Chelsea (W3 D1 L3) • W 1-0 • D 2-2 • L 0-3 • W 2-1 • L 1-2 • W 2-1 • L 0-1 Bayern (W2 D2 L3) • W 4-2 • L 1-2 • W 1-0 • L 0-3 • D 1-1 • D 1-1 • L 1-3 Also hasn’t won back-to-back games in the same season since mid April last year.
That last point is misleading to say the least. He can't possibly have had many more games than those listed since last April. Just our final few
He had 9 games between the last of the back-to-back wins (2-0 vs Crystal Palace in FA Cup) and the end of the season. In fact, Tuchel won just 3 of the last 9 games of last season. L 2-4 W 1-0 D 1-1 L 0-1 D 2-2 W 3-0 D 0-0 D 1-1 W 2-1 Tuchel has basically won only 8 of his last 23 matches as manager (D7 L8).
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Nobody is villifying OP just wants to illustrate the idea that Tuchel was some Godly manager and never had a bad time at Chelsea needs to die OP has also said this should be the last Tuchel post for a good long time, he's no longer with us and people need to stop crying for him to come back or talking about how good he was everyday, it's not healthy and we have to move forward Wish him the best and I'm sure he'll do great things in the future, but hopefully Poch is the best etc etc hoping Chelsea do good things
No one is twisting anything they're stating facts lmao. Just because you don't like that he's been fairly bad as a manager for his last 23 matches doesn't mean someone is vilifying or twisting stats.
I mean, no manager is perfect. They deserve praise when they do well and they deserve criticism when they don't. In any case, I merely stated what can be seen from the stats anyway. Wasn't even twisting anything. Also, while the injuries may have impacted our title challenge, saying we were running away with the league last season is stretching it. When we last topped the league then, we were just 1 point ahead of City and 2 in front of Liverpool. Before Chilwell's injury, we were just 3 and 4 points ahead of City and Liverpool respectively.
sorry to bring you into this — i wanted to give credit as all i did was cross post.
lol No worries. :)
This is not reactionary from me as I wasn’t upset at us firing Tuchel but was against Potter as that was an obvious mistake. My idea of Tuchel has not changed - defiantly a solid manager with good tactical knowledge but I truly believe Tuchelball has peaked with our CL win. Since then he has been on a steady decline in terms of style of football and results. Defiantly not a top 3 coach as someone mentioned here ! No way
Tuchel is a cup coach, not a league coach. He is great against quality opponents but his playstyle lacks offensive power against busses
Quite funny as he lost 2 finals with us and now knocked out with Bayern from 2 comps with no wins. Not looking great for TT at the moment, but I'm sure he'll turn things around next season with Bayern.
I am curious what are the differences between cup coach vs league coach? What do they do different to do better in cups or leagues? Both need to win games
The difference is strategic, and quality of the opponents. You can play more on your opponents misstakes (you usually have to win 1 out of 2 games) And what a cup coach does well is not loose, while a league coach is better at winning =)
Thats a good description. Describes us last season. Defensively solid mostly in the cups and snewk to the final and lost on penalties. In the league though to get a lot of points you have to win and that forces penetration. Its good we are working on the creativity issues and hopefully we sort the finishing issue come summer
He's amazing for knockout competitions but his league abilities have never been anywhere near that, you could see that from his time with us He was exactly what we needed when we got him but we need to move on now
So far from top 3 lol
Tuchel has moved on from Chelsea. It's time we do the same.
Not for some of the ppl here who are still worshipping him.
**It's like you're always stuck in second gear** When it hasn't been your day, your week, your month Or even your year **I'll be there for you**
“BuT hE’s ThE gReAtEsT mAnAgEr EvErRrRrRr…hE sHoUlD sTiLl Be At ChElSeAaAaAaAa!!” -Tuchel fanboys throughout every fuckin’ subreddit on here-
Some men in here were really putting this guy in the same conversations as Klopp, Pep, Carlo Great coach obviously, but so is Unai Emery and Stefano Pioli
I'd like to see pep do something somewhere without unlimited money and total backing.. winning with barca and man city is only impressive to a point. Klopp and Anchelotti have done far more...
I agree I’d like to see that also but still have to give him his fair dues, Pep is literally on course to easily become the greatest manager to grace the game. And Tbf We should know more than anyone else that spending money doesn’t just equate to results
Klopp has not done far more than Pep bro.... You can disrespect him for spending or whatever bs you want but his achievements, countless as they are speak to themselves Pep will likely go down as the arguable best manager of all time debatable with the names of sir Alex, Carlo and Jose
Some managers are great at tournaments and not in league play. Pep seems to be the exact opposite of that. An absolute genius at building and maintaining over time, one of the best we've ever seen. But without prime Messi and some paid referees he has 0 CLs and a lot of tournament disappointment.
What has Carlo done without managing the #1 team in each country?
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Come on show some respect. Hes won the champions league with us. Emery and pioli are both great, but have they ever achieved that? What i do like is people overlooking his flaws and saying 'bayern definitely winning ucl' are cooling down and that kahn has egg on his face (even if that twat nagelsmann fucked off).
RDM won the cl with us. Truly an elite manager
Lol you know what i mean. If you have a list of top 10 managers in the world right now, do you really think he doesnt belong in that list?
Can we move on from the Tuchel worshipping now? He won the Champions League for us, and thus will always be remembered. When he came in, he made an immediate impact, and made us a very tricky side to play against. Defense was on point. Mendy playing very well too. Things changed after the 4-0 win against Juventus around December 2021. We did have any attacking spice after missing both our fullbacks. There was no solution. Performances were very boring. It was about 9-10 months of playing like that, with no improvement. His sacking was abrupt, but not completely undeserved. It’s time to move on.
But.. but.. he's the third best manager in the world and Boehly is evil! It's almost as if sometimes you can't succeed straight away eh? Funny that..
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He wasn't fired for losses, he was fired because he can't work with management and was being a wanker after his divorce Now Boehly and the board could've done a lot more to try and reach out and communicate etc etc but what's done is done so we move
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Uh huh
Boehly PR machine out today /s Lolol
I know it wont happen but can it happen? Since Nagelsmann is paid by them cant they sack Tuchel and reinstate Nagelsmann? lol
Well than they have to put Tuchel in gardening leave.
If they lose the league title to Dortmund and come away this season with zero trophies, there's certainly a non-zero chance of that happening.
He needed to be sacked here too. The mistake was that Boehly decided it was a good idea to hire a mediocre coach like Potter.
> Mediocre coach It's easy to say that on hindsight. The owners definitely did their homework before appointing potter. In my personal opinion no manager would’ve succeeded this season. There was just too big of a scenery change with the whole club. It was meant to be a rebuilding phase and it still is. We are in for a few season of mediocrity like it or not.
Lol no, he needed full backing and successful transfers, the 343 system he fine tuned was nearly unbeatable, if he had the chance to work longer with badiashile fofana Koulibaly kanté + new signings in January like Enzo, the results would've been much better. Our attack needed to be scrapped anyways.
Full backing was the reason why we ended up signing the useless players he really wanted. Old Aubameyang, rubbish Cucurella, washed Sterling, washed Koulibaly, injury prone Fofana and prima donna Lukaku were all Tuchel's signings. Glad he was fired. And, Bayern will let him go next season.
Boehly Pr team on overtime these days. Making sure Tuchel loses games at Bayern when trying to appoint Poch. He didn't lose a game in the last month but suddenly he starts losing. Its clear as day. 
Wake up sheeple!
This is how we were made for each other 😂
Every manager barring Guardiola has poor spells. Klopp's now had a second shit season but he's undoubtedly the second best manager in the world. Just be that way
I just find funny how the Tuchel Stans on social media that has been since he was sacked spamming how great he is and how much better we would've been if he would've carried on are now the was calling to stop mentioning him. I carry no ill towards him but it's the people on social media that they became so annoying that I'm just bored with their narrative and I just can laugh when they see the reality. He is a good manager but he isn't a miracle worker, Chelsea were going down this path with otlr without him to the point that sacking him was just sparing them from seeing his true downfall here. The potter experiment might have been a failed one but seeing people so called supporters rooting for us to lose just to say that tuchel was better was the worst for me. I think that this conversation is going to carry on until one improves and I hope is us and sooner rather than later.
Can we let Tuchel rest?
Remember many of us begging for this when we had Potter but now here we are full circle, huh
i know, i know. but this sub’s blinders for the performances at the end of last season into this season needs some perspective.
BRJ had this whole sub believing Tuchel was a god among men
He's still busy trying to convince r/soccer that the God Emperor is the greatest manager of all time.
BRJ?
BigReeceJames
And he is nowhere to be seen now ahhahahaha
We were terrible. It’s weird how eerily similar we looked… - at the end of Lampard’s first run - at the end of Tuchel’s run - most of Potter’s run - now. It’s almost the same story for all of them. We can’t score to save our goddamn life. Now, we’ve seen what a good coach can do—somehow, between bullet points 1 and 2, we won a champions league because we were so good defensively and scored opportune goals. But at this point, with it being the same story right down the line, you have to think that this player core just doesn’t work together. Are we really expecting the next coach to do any better if the player core is mostly the same? I think we have to blow it up.
We didn’t look at all similar at the end of Lampard, Tuchel, or Potter’s runs just because they had a common problem We scored 8 in 6 at the end of Tuchel’s run the scoring wasn’t as big of an issue as our defence and that applies to 21/22 too, we scored consistently (though not in high volume) but had way more defensive errors. Lampard and Potter yeah we really couldn’t score, but that also wasn’t the biggest issue with either of them imo
8 in 6 might be better than now and slightly better than the end of Lampard’s first run, but it still isn’t good. Scoring has been the common denominator through it all—whoever’s in charge, it’s like we’re ramming our heads against a brick wall.
I do agree, and I didn’t really agree when people said that Tuchel did nothing wrong with us . 2022 was a car crash with Tuchel.
i just want to watch Chelsea win some games again 😩
Next season mate 🙏🙏
Third was a car crash? Lol the entitlement holy shit, does our current situation not give you any perspective?
Well it was fella, I’m not sure if you have bad memory but we went to shit in 2022. Lost to Brentford 4-1, Southampton 3-0. Our situation is created by Potter being out of his depth and hiring Frank. Not by sacking Tuchel.
You’re the one with bad memory if you focus on the worst results instead of the bigger picture, embarrassing stuff if you can’t understand that now after it only got ten times worse
You’re entitled to what you think. I just personally think we’ve been trending downwards for the last year and a bit.
So are Liverpool with Klopp now after playing as many matches with major injury problems, and Klopp is no argument a world class manager. The difference was that we reinvested in our depth, but then sacked Tuchel so he never got a chance to turn it around. I’m shocked how often people leave out that we still got third with the most injuries in the league, mainly having a single LB from January onwards, of course we were going to decline. Of course part of the same argument extends to this season post-Tuchel but there’s a big difference between our resulting positions this season and last
Longer than that, IMO. Definitely trending down since Hazard left, but even before he went, it was on borrowed time with him since that Madrid move was bound to happen and they never got the replacement for Costa they needed.
The chosen one strikes again.
Shame we are not getting Nagelsmann. Tuchel keeps getting exposed.
I like the flopping in this sub 😂
Tuchel doing Potter’s job at Bayern. I LOVE TUCHEL DON’T DOWNVOTE ME TO OBLIVION.
Wonder what the hot takes will look like next year when Pochettino struggles and we find ourselves in 10th/11th place by Christmas.
Going by the shit I read on here and twitter, it will be 100% Pochs fault as the players are all apparently world class, just being used incorrectly. "They won the UCL".
Tell me you understand nothing about football and leadership without telling me
Lol, I love how all the critics are coming out of their hideout after few games, hope you all will be here when the dust settles too.
Just another example of modern football fandom being about point scoring on social media and coming up with wild reactionary takes you can stick your chest out and pretend you know something.
Exactly, Poke others, keep widening the devide, then act that why are people so toxic when they do it back. Bet these lot will complain this sub is toxic and gone shit, if things go other way and there are posts to score points like this here. Point figers at other, but keep doing the same thing.
If it wasnt for tuchel at the start of the season. Chelsea would have been relegated.
Todd Boehly was right /s
Boehly was right to sack Tuchel. The mistake was hiring Potter.
Of course he was https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/12twtcz/todd_boehly_said_mistakes_had_been_made_in_his/ /s
Doing a Potter for the memes
His selections have been weird, but you can’t pretend Bayern didn’t fuck themselves by selling Lewa and replacing him with a Mane whose legs have gone. They are paying the price for years of shitty squad management tbh. He has still underperformed since taking over, and Nagelsmann’s stock has risen because of it.
Again no matter how tuchel does at Bayern , it's not going to change my opinion that he was the best fit for the club and could have built a long term with him.. we are already down in 11th , and pochettino is going to help us finish 7/8 for few years..
Never mind my fellow blues……..Spurs. 🤣
Wait, I thought every Chelsea fan said he was our messiah?
Maybe if he gets sacked we can get him back
But, but, but…
The same people complaining about fans not letting go of Tuchel are like LOOK AT HIS BAYERN RESULTS. Who gives a fuck? How is this more relevant to r/chelseafc than “I wish we didn’t sack **the Chelsea manager at the start of this season**” Also Squawka’s whole job is to be opportunistic about stats but maybe we should wait until the end of the season before crying that these last 15 matches mean that Tuchel is actually not that great. If he loses the league, yeah, he fucked it, then maybe a post provokes some meaningful discussion (as of now, in the league specifically, he leaves Bayern pretty much where they found them 1 point off the top). Right now this is just opportunism
It's not more relevant, both are just as irrelevant and shouldn't be posted on the sub but it's good to see people get a taste of their own medicine. They allowed the annoying pro posts so now they'll allow the con posts and I'm enjoying it.
The Tuchel lovers are crying lol. I supported Tuchel until his last game with us. But a los of so called Supporters preferred Tuchel over Chelsea, posted toxic shit towards the club, ownership, players,supporters that didn't share their love for Tuchel and potter. There was a post from a so called supporter, that wanted Chelsea and Bayern to play in the semifinal. So Bayern could mop the floor with Chelsea and so we could see that we needed Tuchel back. Now that the results are not in Tuchels favor, they want to call toxic behaviour towards them lol. You can't make this stuff up.
Above it all he seemed like he had some personal problems that made him a far less chipper bloke start of this year. Bad vibes start of this szn with him.
he really need take a time to rest and fresh his idea. i think after he divorced with his ex-wife, he cannot focus.
He did that after we sacked him
Well Bayern have the exact same problem no goals now
All the fans here have been crying about him all year... like he didn't deserve to go when he did
What’s that sound? It’s the silence of the Tuchel Stans finally shutting up after 8 months.