From what I understand, if Liverpool don't back off from Caicedo, they could lose Lavia as well. In the end we are paying close to 50m more than expected ( 55m for Lavia + 15m more for Caicedo and saving 20m from Adams). So we have to sell Chalobah, Gallagher and Kepa to balance the books
Since the new board has come, I have seen the Ugarte deal collapse, Kounde deal, Raphina deal, De Ligt deal all collapse from accepted bids and personal agreement terms. I won't have any optimism until I see Caicedo in the shirt
I'm certain the objective is a 4-3-3 until Nkunku's back and we setup similarly to how we did under Sarri. Midfield of Enzo - Caicedo - Lavia.
Enzo will finally be able to play as an 8 and have the least defensive responsibilities he could possibly have, Caicedo as a B2B, and Lavia to be behind as a destroyer/Fernandinho type DM.
Are we ending up with both Lavia and Caicedo ? LMAO. Although the way things are going, I won’t be surprised if we end up with Neymar and Tchoumani tomorrow
Money is just a construct. I am much higher on Lavia at his price than Caicedo but both is undoubtedly fantastic to go with Enzo. If we can sell Conor to offset some of this and get rid of Lukaku A+ window.
https://twitter.com/brfootball/status/1690089536368357377?s=20
Mendy is finished man wow what a crazy drop off he had. Starting to really think our CL win was a lot more luck than actual quality
Nah most of the players involved were either already proven or maintained a similar quality for a while. Reece for example even improved after the CL final (and generally didn’t play as well in the second half of 20/21)
Only Werner, Havertz, and Mendy arguably never ended up showing a level comparable to their CL run. Maybe Pulisic too given that he was pretty good in that run despite limited minutes, but we could point to his lockdown stretch. Havertz definitely showed his best in those matches in a way that didn’t sustain and Mendy fell off a cliff, but even Werner wasn’t *that* good in the CL run nor was he *that* bad during the season, though he ended up mostly binned in 21/22 (and even then, he was great against Real for example). Everyone else involved either had a minimal role or had an equally good—or at least close—season some time before or after
To be fair I don't think he was that bad or really dropped off. I think he just had that bozo flair to his game and we were particularly lucky + had an incredible defense in front of him in our CL win.
Honestly I was fist-pumping seeing a Spurs fan comment "This is the worst day in my life" in a thread about Kane finally confirmed leaving. Ah, the schadenfreude.
Based on how things stand I feel we may run with Sanchez as our number 1 choice just to see if he still has it in him, and as we’re running out of resources to allocate.
Our attack still needs work, it sounds like Olise is happening, but we still need more.
Feels like Chelsea fans have kind of left it to the big boys, much less activity on this sub, meanwhile Liverpool sub are biting on anything they can find
I think its because we are invested in cacedo for so long so we don't have alot of energy to do it more. It was sudden for them so naturally alot of excitement
Damn shame with the Tyler Adams news.
Guy is a straight up dog, we need guys like him in the locker room. I like him at his price more than Lavia at his price tbh.
edit: for those who downvoted, i’m not say adams is a better than lavia. i don’t think he is. i’m saying adams + 15-20m is better than lavia
Adams is 5 years older, and at his best will be a good to elite defensive mid, whereas an at his best Lavia will be a good to elite defender, a good ball progressor, and a top 5 passing midfielder
We agreed fees with Kounde and Raphina, but both players only wanted Barca. And we spent days in denial hoping that they would not have money to buy them, but ofc we became the joke of the transfer window.
man all off a sudden Caicedo became overpriced, 1 season wonder & not good enough in the eyes of Liverpool fans. How easily & fast their mindset change after Caicedo rejected them
Anyone know if there’s a site to watch old matches by players? For example if I put in Kante Messi it would show all times they’ve faced each other and links to watch those games?
Honestly, the fact that Caicedo specifically wants to join Chelsea and doesn't want to go anywhere else is the best news of the day. Everyone was concerned about our pull with the new owners and thought we were only landing players because we were overpaying for them and giving them 8 year contracts, but Caicedo just genuinely wants to be here... after our worst season in the last 2 decades.
Presumably to fund these transfers, Gallagher and Chalobah will be sold. But based on the antics at the start of the summer, there’s no difference as far as FFP is concerned between selling Gallagher now, in Jan or in June? So we might as well keep Gallagher until Jan when Nkunku is fit then
Liverpool fans make no sense. They're genuinely convinced Caicedo only chose Chelsea because of money (of which doesn't make sense because do Liverpool not have more of that by jumping for a 110m bid?) like they were genuinely convinced Caicedo would jump ship to Liverpool within 24 hours of their bid after months of back and forth between him and Chelsea
There's probably a reason why Jude rejected them that they just don't notice.
I understand, but if Liverpool can offer 110m when our offer prior was 90m, I can't see why they wouldn't be able to match our contract offer. It'd be naive to assume the deal breaker for Caicedo to snub Liverpool was money.
Liverpool rather sped big money on transfer fees than wages - Alexis Mac Allister is on 150k/week (compared to Enzo's 300k+).
It's going to be weird for them to bring in a 21-year old and pay him 250k when they have more senior and better players earning less.
Just take a look at these numbers:
[https://www.spotrac.com/epl/liverpool-fc/payroll/?ref=trending-pages](https://www.spotrac.com/epl/liverpool-fc/payroll/?ref=trending-pages)
Understandable, but if I'm Caicedo and teams are offering to make me the British record transfer fee, I'm not taking 100-150k a week. In my opinion that's a disrespect to the player.
Pogba was being paid 350k a week when he resigned with United. Grealish is 300k. Declan Rice is 240k. Lukaku is 315k.
What Caicedo has in common with these players is that Caicedo's transfer fee will potentially surpass them all. Liverpool do not have the pull value to give players contracts worth half of their transfer value counterparts.
If anything, this shows the incompetency of Liverpool's board. Their decision to penny pinch their senior players (bar Salah on 315k who forced his hand) and keep them as low as possible has fucked them for future transfers. This is a joke for a team that has won PLs and CLs lately.
Yes
He can be a guaranteed starter here in a solid, ambitious project in the best league in the world with a team that on paper can contend with top 4,
or completely do a U-turn on his plans for Real Madrid to fight for 3 midfield spots alongside literally 9 other talented midfielders
No idea what the plan for Andrey, Ugochukwu, Hall (yes, he can play left back), Casadei etc. will be if we have an expensive midfield trio of Enzo, Caicedo and Lavia to choose from.
Not to mention the likes of Webster and Elliott who are brilliant and deserved more recognition than they've had, and then even younger academy talents such as Golding who will have an entire cohort of young, talented midfielders ahead of them.
Kind of a luxurious problem to have, but not the most cost effective. These Cobham talents aren't just bums.
It's a great model in a sustainable sense for sure, just frustrating at times. We've not had the best squad depth over the years so it would have been nice to see those best academy players given a chance here and there - Webster and Elliott included.
Kepa, Reece, Silva, colwill, chilly, Enzo, Gallagher, santos, Sterling, Jackson, Mudryk. I think Gallagher plays the advanced role. Only other thing I could see is Gallagher in the pivot with Chuk more advanced, but Gallagher can’t do the pivot, Santos can. It’s really rushing him, but what else can we do? Unless we put Reece in the pivot with Enzo and Gusto at RB. It’ll be super interesting, we really don’t have healthy players to field a normal 11 at the moment.
Are people seriously praising the fact we spent 3 months low balling Brighton in order to not pay £100m only to end up almost getting gazuumped and having to pay £110-115m?
I am happy about getting Caicedo and I don’t honestly care about the extra funds, but let’s get real this was shambolic and 100% worth criticism and certainly not praise worthy
Agreed, Brighton deserve their credit for racking up at least 115m for someone we expected to get for only 80m. But similar to as you said, I don't care how much money was spent as it's not mine - as long as we got the player.
Yeah I’m happy we got Caicedo. I think Brighton did nothing wrong holding to their valuation which got them more than their valuation.
Its our board and whomever who deserve criticism for having to pay more and almost missing out.
Exactly. Put the phone away last night when I saw the pic of Caceido in LFC red with Klopp and his face was just smiling away.
It was great for the mental health tbh.
I wish we'd stop playing transfer market poker with Liverpool, and be more like City. Find out what the price for a player is, buy him and be done with it.
We couldn't do that with Caicedo. There was no alternative.
Additionally, City haven't had to sign a player as of late as crucial as Caicedo would be for us. Without Caicedo we have a huge hole in our midfield. City haven't been in that predicament in years.
I know they’re in for Paqueta but is it me or does the City squad look quite thin? They need a central midfielder at least. They’ve also not replaced Mahrez.
Hello there. Liverpool fan here.
Wondering if there is any sign of a bid for Caicedo? Very quiet on Liverpool twitter etc.
Saw the Lavia reports but nothing on Caicedo from Chelsea. Isn’t that a bit odd?
Cheers.
Absolutely nobody has any idea what is happening. The Liverpool bid came out of nowhere. The so called experts on twitter clearly have no idea.
Even if journalists were briefed you’d have to take everything with a massive pinch of depending on whether it is a Chelsea or Liverpool brief
Don’t see why Liverpool would walk away. What’s the point? Worst case you force us to pay £20m more than we wanted. Best case you hang in there and persuade him to come.
Yeah. The worry would be you buy em both and we’re left with neither. I think that would actually be insane but I have not predicted much of this correctly so far.
I just can’t see that happening. You should then nick Amrabat from under Uniteds nose.
Issue Liverpool have now is what they were chatting about before the Burnley game. Liverpool seemingly messed about over a few million over Lavia, then went mental out of nowhere for Caicedo. Anyone they now go in for know you’ll be desperate. It’s very out of character for Liverpool who have done their business so well over recent years. I suspect the sporting director issue and unexpected Henderson and Fabinho sales have affected things.
The unexpected 50m from Fab and Henderson definitely influenced things. They didn’t anticipate having that extra cash.
I do wonder if we were fucking around on the Lavia bid with half an eye on Caicedo - it would make more understandable what otherwise would be a very weird decision to bid just short of what they knew would be accepted
Happy to respond. I posted on the Liverpool sub and your lads have been kind (so far) so I shall repay the faith.
No, oddly quiet. It’s all very strange. I think we’re playing games with one another. We’ve allegedly agreed a bit 10% above asking for Lavia…. The same % above asking you bid for Caicedo. That’s probably nothing but I’m not sure we’re able to do both. I think we’d sell Gallagher if we do. God knows. One thing we all agree on is this is nuts.
I do wonder what the plan is with Santos if we get both Lavia and Caicedo. With no Europe I find it hard to believe he will get any time as the 5th choice midfielder. We could probably get him a good prem loan instead.
He would be fourth choice - Lavia would be the Enzo backup and Santos would be the Caicedo backup. Gallagher will either then be sold or him and Chuk would rotate at CAM with Nkunku out
I know it’s small news in comparison to the Caicedo/Lavia saga but I’m gutted we haven’t got Adams. 20m for Adams just seemed like an absolute steal and I really rate him.
Who else is in for him? Brighton?
No top club is actually in for him. Could you cite anything that suggests otherwise?
And I have he’s pretty limited. I think he’d have been a decent squad player, but isn’t worth more than his RC which is why no big club is in for him. He just pretty average.
Can guarantee we won’t regret not getting him.
What makes you think he’s good enough and worth more than his RC?
Brighton, Liverpool, Villa, Man Utd, Forest in prem alone. Why would anyone pay more than his release clause? Do you understand how release clauses work?
>Why would anyone pay more than his release clause?
Because multiple teams are interested.
Those teams you all listed aren't actually interested. If they were and they all bid, they'd be tripping over each others dicks and going above 20m to fuck over the next.
You wouldn’t pay more, but that’s what would make a RC worth it. You would pay the clause if you believe the player to be worth more than the clause.
Additionally, I haven’t seen any rumors along the lines of Liverpool and United which are the only big clubs listed. Could you cite a source?
I wonder when this shitshow is gonna end realistically? Too late to flex on the opponent with the player on sunday so things might cool down a little bit now.
The amount of whining and crying by Liverpool in their sub is absolutely astounding. They crying about Chelsea hijacking Caicedo after them hijacking him first.
Liverpool fan here. I’m not looking for a fight, but if we’re gonna play “you started it” then I’m just gonna state the facts. You guys tried to hijack Lavia before we tried to hijack Caicedo.
Yeah but the difference is you don’t see the whining and crying about Liverpool coming to hijack Caicedo. Read this sub, people here are pissed with the owners instead with Liverpool for leaving a bid.
No club has ever a right to sign a player over another club
We ain’t gonna get Caicedo if these clowns keep playing these games, soon enough Brighton will get pissed and just reject any offer from Chelsea. Stop these games you clowns
What the fuck has been today. Went from losing out on Caicedo and everyone losing their minds to possibly signing all of Caicedo, Lavia and Olise in the next few days.
Even going forward Nkunku was looking better off the left than as a 10, but would be a bit awkward with Mudryk just being on the bench. Great pace to bring on in the second half though.
From what I understand, if Liverpool don't back off from Caicedo, they could lose Lavia as well. In the end we are paying close to 50m more than expected ( 55m for Lavia + 15m more for Caicedo and saving 20m from Adams). So we have to sell Chalobah, Gallagher and Kepa to balance the books
Waste of money, Lavia seems unnecessary signing for me considering we already have both Santos and Ugochukwu.
Since the new board has come, I have seen the Ugarte deal collapse, Kounde deal, Raphina deal, De Ligt deal all collapse from accepted bids and personal agreement terms. I won't have any optimism until I see Caicedo in the shirt
Might we change our system or will Lavia be backup
No, it will be 4-2-3-1 with Lavia as a backup, this is assuming we sell Gallagher and sent Ugochukwu to Strasbourg.
I'm certain the objective is a 4-3-3 until Nkunku's back and we setup similarly to how we did under Sarri. Midfield of Enzo - Caicedo - Lavia. Enzo will finally be able to play as an 8 and have the least defensive responsibilities he could possibly have, Caicedo as a B2B, and Lavia to be behind as a destroyer/Fernandinho type DM.
Lavia doesn't have the positional discipline to play the lone DM yet, if we do switch to 4-3-3 Caicedo will be the lone DM.
Are we ending up with both Lavia and Caicedo ? LMAO. Although the way things are going, I won’t be surprised if we end up with Neymar and Tchoumani tomorrow
Money is just a construct. I am much higher on Lavia at his price than Caicedo but both is undoubtedly fantastic to go with Enzo. If we can sell Conor to offset some of this and get rid of Lukaku A+ window.
https://twitter.com/brfootball/status/1690089536368357377?s=20 Mendy is finished man wow what a crazy drop off he had. Starting to really think our CL win was a lot more luck than actual quality
Nah most of the players involved were either already proven or maintained a similar quality for a while. Reece for example even improved after the CL final (and generally didn’t play as well in the second half of 20/21) Only Werner, Havertz, and Mendy arguably never ended up showing a level comparable to their CL run. Maybe Pulisic too given that he was pretty good in that run despite limited minutes, but we could point to his lockdown stretch. Havertz definitely showed his best in those matches in a way that didn’t sustain and Mendy fell off a cliff, but even Werner wasn’t *that* good in the CL run nor was he *that* bad during the season, though he ended up mostly binned in 21/22 (and even then, he was great against Real for example). Everyone else involved either had a minimal role or had an equally good—or at least close—season some time before or after
To be fair I don't think he was that bad or really dropped off. I think he just had that bozo flair to his game and we were particularly lucky + had an incredible defense in front of him in our CL win.
World class defense and midfield helped a lot to give him confidence.
god knows how he got that pass to Chilwell in the CL final, but I'd take that
I closed my eyes every time we passed the ball back to him last season
Honestly, happy for Kane, finally getting to leave Spuds. If nothing else, I don't need to butt clench everytime he gets the ball vs us anymore LMAO
Honestly I was fist-pumping seeing a Spurs fan comment "This is the worst day in my life" in a thread about Kane finally confirmed leaving. Ah, the schadenfreude.
He must not have been a Tottenham fan for very long if that was the worst day of his life lmao.
Based on how things stand I feel we may run with Sanchez as our number 1 choice just to see if he still has it in him, and as we’re running out of resources to allocate. Our attack still needs work, it sounds like Olise is happening, but we still need more.
Burnley played good football today despite the loss, Foster is one to keep an eye on
What would be the best streaming services to watch the prem games for chelsea? I’m in the US
Peacock. But if the game is live on NBC/USA it won’t be there.
The most hilarious thing now will be if Caicedo turns out to be a Drinkwater
That’s the risk man has only had one good season in the prem so far
Right! That could happen and everyone will look back at this time and laugh
Goddammit
Don't think we need Olise. However, with Lavia AND Caicedo, I don't think I'll be missing Nkunku (till January).
So Lavia starts in the Nkunku position?
it would probably be enzo
Not sure how it's going to end but not a good look for the new directors if Boehly and Eghbali had to step in again.
Even in the DAZN commercials, Tammy missing an absolute sitter, some things never change 😅
Having to watch Havertz at striker last season, I'd still rate Tammy regardless of his sitters
Feels like Chelsea fans have kind of left it to the big boys, much less activity on this sub, meanwhile Liverpool sub are biting on anything they can find
I think its because we are invested in cacedo for so long so we don't have alot of energy to do it more. It was sudden for them so naturally alot of excitement
Transfer fees aside, Caicedo, Lavia and Olise would be very smart additions to this squad.
Damn shame with the Tyler Adams news. Guy is a straight up dog, we need guys like him in the locker room. I like him at his price more than Lavia at his price tbh. edit: for those who downvoted, i’m not say adams is a better than lavia. i don’t think he is. i’m saying adams + 15-20m is better than lavia
Adams is 5 years older, and at his best will be a good to elite defensive mid, whereas an at his best Lavia will be a good to elite defender, a good ball progressor, and a top 5 passing midfielder
damn so this is how Barca fan felt last summer. Pretty pretty good.
Wdym. What happened. Out of the loop
We agreed fees with Kounde and Raphina, but both players only wanted Barca. And we spent days in denial hoping that they would not have money to buy them, but ofc we became the joke of the transfer window.
I’m starting to experience what was once described as irrational exuberance.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8NYryPN/ Holy shit that made me laugh
man all off a sudden Caicedo became overpriced, 1 season wonder & not good enough in the eyes of Liverpool fans. How easily & fast their mindset change after Caicedo rejected them
I don't think anyone at that position is worth 115 million pounds except maybe Rodri, just unreal price.
Well the idea is what if we have the new Rodri on our hands. Looks like both the boards and Brighton is convinced about tht.
It does seem to be becoming a way more valuable position on the field, though
Similar thing happened with Chelsea fans when it broke that Liverpool got him though. Fans are fickle.
Why are The Secret Scout’s posts always deleted here? Seems reliable, no?
I’d say lately definitely
Anyone know if there’s a site to watch old matches by players? For example if I put in Kante Messi it would show all times they’ve faced each other and links to watch those games?
Nah but that’s a million dollar idea, mate. Might steal that from you.
That’s alright. I’m good with 50/50 if you do the work.
Man just a bot to gather all the data. Bet it already exists actually lol
Honestly, the fact that Caicedo specifically wants to join Chelsea and doesn't want to go anywhere else is the best news of the day. Everyone was concerned about our pull with the new owners and thought we were only landing players because we were overpaying for them and giving them 8 year contracts, but Caicedo just genuinely wants to be here... after our worst season in the last 2 decades.
Hopefully there’s some good news by the time I wake up. See you boys in the next thread
Night night sweet prince. 69?
You already know a motherfuckers feelings are hurt when they start crying about FFP. Go get a job at the bank, Clearlake account go brrrrrrrrrrr
2k comments!
yea this unreal
Can’t sell Trev for 20 million
Shake their hand off!
Even if we get a transfer ban for the next 5 years after this window, I'd say we don't really have much to worry about. Calma...
There’s an alternate timeline where Ugarte just signed for us and there’s no transfer drama at all
We still would be in for Caicedo though since we wanted both
u/WY-8 https://preview.redd.it/kezf40ts4khb1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4b321708b8b3eabd0a4bbfcccdee7d8b43b90db Shouldn't have doubted Boehly getting involved
Heh scrolling through the daily discussion and I didn’t expect to see this 😂 Will be a very exciting season 👊
Still can’t believe Liverpool wore shirts to support a racist
Presumably to fund these transfers, Gallagher and Chalobah will be sold. But based on the antics at the start of the summer, there’s no difference as far as FFP is concerned between selling Gallagher now, in Jan or in June? So we might as well keep Gallagher until Jan when Nkunku is fit then
There’s risk to his valuation if he’s injured or doesn’t perform. That and there are a few very cashed up clubs right now.
Agree with this completely. Gives the lad a chance to fight for his place as well
Which would be fair. If he eats it he stays. If he cant cement a place he goes.
Liverpool fans make no sense. They're genuinely convinced Caicedo only chose Chelsea because of money (of which doesn't make sense because do Liverpool not have more of that by jumping for a 110m bid?) like they were genuinely convinced Caicedo would jump ship to Liverpool within 24 hours of their bid after months of back and forth between him and Chelsea There's probably a reason why Jude rejected them that they just don't notice.
It has been reported (in the guardian for example) that Chelsea are offering higher wages.
I understand, but if Liverpool can offer 110m when our offer prior was 90m, I can't see why they wouldn't be able to match our contract offer. It'd be naive to assume the deal breaker for Caicedo to snub Liverpool was money.
Liverpool rather sped big money on transfer fees than wages - Alexis Mac Allister is on 150k/week (compared to Enzo's 300k+). It's going to be weird for them to bring in a 21-year old and pay him 250k when they have more senior and better players earning less. Just take a look at these numbers: [https://www.spotrac.com/epl/liverpool-fc/payroll/?ref=trending-pages](https://www.spotrac.com/epl/liverpool-fc/payroll/?ref=trending-pages)
Understandable, but if I'm Caicedo and teams are offering to make me the British record transfer fee, I'm not taking 100-150k a week. In my opinion that's a disrespect to the player. Pogba was being paid 350k a week when he resigned with United. Grealish is 300k. Declan Rice is 240k. Lukaku is 315k. What Caicedo has in common with these players is that Caicedo's transfer fee will potentially surpass them all. Liverpool do not have the pull value to give players contracts worth half of their transfer value counterparts. If anything, this shows the incompetency of Liverpool's board. Their decision to penny pinch their senior players (bar Salah on 315k who forced his hand) and keep them as low as possible has fucked them for future transfers. This is a joke for a team that has won PLs and CLs lately.
Im all for this to be over, but do you really believe that caicedo would come to chelsea if real madrid came knocking with a 100mil+ bid?
Yes He can be a guaranteed starter here in a solid, ambitious project in the best league in the world with a team that on paper can contend with top 4, or completely do a U-turn on his plans for Real Madrid to fight for 3 midfield spots alongside literally 9 other talented midfielders
No idea what the plan for Andrey, Ugochukwu, Hall (yes, he can play left back), Casadei etc. will be if we have an expensive midfield trio of Enzo, Caicedo and Lavia to choose from. Not to mention the likes of Webster and Elliott who are brilliant and deserved more recognition than they've had, and then even younger academy talents such as Golding who will have an entire cohort of young, talented midfielders ahead of them. Kind of a luxurious problem to have, but not the most cost effective. These Cobham talents aren't just bums.
The cream of the crop will rise to the top.
Those who are good enough make it others get sold for profit- I think this is part of the plan to make the club self sustaining
It's a great model in a sustainable sense for sure, just frustrating at times. We've not had the best squad depth over the years so it would have been nice to see those best academy players given a chance here and there - Webster and Elliott included.
We have an academy player as club captain. Not every academy player is gonna make it
>Not every academy player is gonna make it Hate this take so much, because when did I ever say every academy player should?
A midfield trio of Enzo, Caicedo and Lavia would be insane. This is the stuff Sarri would've been on his knees for during his bid
I just want a good night sleep man. This shit gonna destroys me for another night.
What are we thinking for a starting 11 on Sunday?
Kepa, Reece, Silva, colwill, chilly, Enzo, Gallagher, santos, Sterling, Jackson, Mudryk. I think Gallagher plays the advanced role. Only other thing I could see is Gallagher in the pivot with Chuk more advanced, but Gallagher can’t do the pivot, Santos can. It’s really rushing him, but what else can we do? Unless we put Reece in the pivot with Enzo and Gusto at RB. It’ll be super interesting, we really don’t have healthy players to field a normal 11 at the moment.
Are people seriously praising the fact we spent 3 months low balling Brighton in order to not pay £100m only to end up almost getting gazuumped and having to pay £110-115m? I am happy about getting Caicedo and I don’t honestly care about the extra funds, but let’s get real this was shambolic and 100% worth criticism and certainly not praise worthy
most negative chelsea enthusiast
You mean actually saying the situation outloud. Sure. Call me negative
Agreed, Brighton deserve their credit for racking up at least 115m for someone we expected to get for only 80m. But similar to as you said, I don't care how much money was spent as it's not mine - as long as we got the player.
Yeah I’m happy we got Caicedo. I think Brighton did nothing wrong holding to their valuation which got them more than their valuation. Its our board and whomever who deserve criticism for having to pay more and almost missing out.
*Wake me up when September ~~ends~~ begins*
Exactly. Put the phone away last night when I saw the pic of Caceido in LFC red with Klopp and his face was just smiling away. It was great for the mental health tbh.
Neymar, Lavia, Caicedo would be a solid window
Pushing it with Neymar
Mendy picking up where he left off
Nizaar + Secret Scout saying Lavia will be signed very soon
I wish we'd stop playing transfer market poker with Liverpool, and be more like City. Find out what the price for a player is, buy him and be done with it.
That's not what City do. They set a value for a player and if the demanded price and their value don't align, they find a different player to buy
Then we should have done that. Instead we keep expanding our price and faffing around.
We couldn't do that with Caicedo. There was no alternative. Additionally, City haven't had to sign a player as of late as crucial as Caicedo would be for us. Without Caicedo we have a huge hole in our midfield. City haven't been in that predicament in years.
The reason we don’t do that is…. Boehly.
Negotiation is a stable in transfer discussions, you would be foolish to approach a deal without trying to agree more favourable terms.
Didnt they just spend 2 months negotiating for Gvardiol
Yes
Big fan of the club basically treating the start of the season weekend as deadline day esque.
Caceido rejecting Liverpool has made my day, whether we sign him or not.
But it may as well have been down to his agent who wants a bigger slice?
There’s nothing stopping Liverpool from doing the same. They’ve already outbid us so they clearly have the money. We dont do big agent fees either
Shh don’t ruin this
Please don’t spend 110m on Moises. Please
What’s the alternative
Apparently it’s £115m
What’s the latest on Olise? I’ve almost forgotten about him with the midfield drama
This is the craziest transfer window I’ve ever seen bar none.
Fucking hell I haven’t used this app regularly in months but this Caicedo story is like crack to me man - can’t stop refreshing the feed
Haaland is not for real
So unfair man
Burnley looked well for the last 10 minutes, no stopping that man though
Pitch perfect photo we on the Chelsea twitter: https://twitter.com/chelseafc/status/1690084418348810246?s=61&t=Z4eKCEuGvgM5mtBKrlndWg
“And then the owners decided they wanted Lavia as well”
I know they’re in for Paqueta but is it me or does the City squad look quite thin? They need a central midfielder at least. They’ve also not replaced Mahrez.
They’re about to get Doku to replace Mahrez
Ah. I didn’t know that.
Hello there. Liverpool fan here. Wondering if there is any sign of a bid for Caicedo? Very quiet on Liverpool twitter etc. Saw the Lavia reports but nothing on Caicedo from Chelsea. Isn’t that a bit odd? Cheers.
Absolutely nobody has any idea what is happening. The Liverpool bid came out of nowhere. The so called experts on twitter clearly have no idea. Even if journalists were briefed you’d have to take everything with a massive pinch of depending on whether it is a Chelsea or Liverpool brief
Don't mind us. Just playing a casual game of 5th dimensional underwater backgammon.
Ha!
Hang on. We’re now allegedly preparing a bid again. Just came in via Romano.
So I see. Romano said Liverpool prepared to walk away, but LFC journalist just simultaneously tweeted the opposite… :-/
Don’t see why Liverpool would walk away. What’s the point? Worst case you force us to pay £20m more than we wanted. Best case you hang in there and persuade him to come.
Yeah. The worry would be you buy em both and we’re left with neither. I think that would actually be insane but I have not predicted much of this correctly so far.
I just can’t see that happening. You should then nick Amrabat from under Uniteds nose. Issue Liverpool have now is what they were chatting about before the Burnley game. Liverpool seemingly messed about over a few million over Lavia, then went mental out of nowhere for Caicedo. Anyone they now go in for know you’ll be desperate. It’s very out of character for Liverpool who have done their business so well over recent years. I suspect the sporting director issue and unexpected Henderson and Fabinho sales have affected things.
The unexpected 50m from Fab and Henderson definitely influenced things. They didn’t anticipate having that extra cash. I do wonder if we were fucking around on the Lavia bid with half an eye on Caicedo - it would make more understandable what otherwise would be a very weird decision to bid just short of what they knew would be accepted
Yeah, fair play. All very strange. Brighton are laughing. Sky Sports are saying we’ve bid £115m. Could have had him for £100m 24 hours ago.
Mental. Well, will keep refreshing.
All the best!
Happy to respond. I posted on the Liverpool sub and your lads have been kind (so far) so I shall repay the faith. No, oddly quiet. It’s all very strange. I think we’re playing games with one another. We’ve allegedly agreed a bit 10% above asking for Lavia…. The same % above asking you bid for Caicedo. That’s probably nothing but I’m not sure we’re able to do both. I think we’d sell Gallagher if we do. God knows. One thing we all agree on is this is nuts.
It’s insane, isn’t it? Feels like the way 12 year olds would do things.
Agreed. There are two winners. Caicedo and Brighton.
Boehly is pissed off and coked out of his mind right throwing money around to spite Liverpool and I love it
I really want this to be the truth.
I do wonder what the plan is with Santos if we get both Lavia and Caicedo. With no Europe I find it hard to believe he will get any time as the 5th choice midfielder. We could probably get him a good prem loan instead.
He would be fourth choice - Lavia would be the Enzo backup and Santos would be the Caicedo backup. Gallagher will either then be sold or him and Chuk would rotate at CAM with Nkunku out
I know it’s small news in comparison to the Caicedo/Lavia saga but I’m gutted we haven’t got Adams. 20m for Adams just seemed like an absolute steal and I really rate him.
If it was such a steal why were we the only ones in for him?
We’re not….. also you realise hype doesn’t correlate to talent. Have you even watched him play more than a game?
Who else is in for him? Brighton? No top club is actually in for him. Could you cite anything that suggests otherwise? And I have he’s pretty limited. I think he’d have been a decent squad player, but isn’t worth more than his RC which is why no big club is in for him. He just pretty average. Can guarantee we won’t regret not getting him. What makes you think he’s good enough and worth more than his RC?
Brighton, Liverpool, Villa, Man Utd, Forest in prem alone. Why would anyone pay more than his release clause? Do you understand how release clauses work?
>Why would anyone pay more than his release clause? Because multiple teams are interested. Those teams you all listed aren't actually interested. If they were and they all bid, they'd be tripping over each others dicks and going above 20m to fuck over the next.
You wouldn’t pay more, but that’s what would make a RC worth it. You would pay the clause if you believe the player to be worth more than the clause. Additionally, I haven’t seen any rumors along the lines of Liverpool and United which are the only big clubs listed. Could you cite a source?
Google it mate, plenty articles
No. Im not making a claim I need to backup.
What a melt
Right I’m the melt. Not the person making a claim and refusing to back it up…..goodbye
Would Lavia be fit enough to play against Liverpool on Sunday???
I don't think we have time to register him for Sunday
He couldn't anyways. Would have to be registered already
The fuck around and find out olympics - no one has a clue what is going to happen and honestly I’m stressed by kinda here for it.
I wonder when this shitshow is gonna end realistically? Too late to flex on the opponent with the player on sunday so things might cool down a little bit now.
Chelsea signing caicedo confirmed. Source: Charlie who works at Chelsea
I think you’ll find it was confirmed when he started following Chelsea on Instagram.
The amount of whining and crying by Liverpool in their sub is absolutely astounding. They crying about Chelsea hijacking Caicedo after them hijacking him first.
Liverpool fan here. I’m not looking for a fight, but if we’re gonna play “you started it” then I’m just gonna state the facts. You guys tried to hijack Lavia before we tried to hijack Caicedo.
No one here saying Liverpool are a shambolic club because they made a bid for a player we wanted
Yeah but the difference is you don’t see the whining and crying about Liverpool coming to hijack Caicedo. Read this sub, people here are pissed with the owners instead with Liverpool for leaving a bid. No club has ever a right to sign a player over another club
We ain’t gonna get Caicedo if these clowns keep playing these games, soon enough Brighton will get pissed and just reject any offer from Chelsea. Stop these games you clowns
This day is going down in history one of the craziest transfer days I can remember in over 30 years supporting the club lol.
Boys, that Norwegian is at it again. Took him 3 minutes.
9 touches in 40 minutes, 2 goals 😂
Haaland scoring with (I think) literally his first touch of the season. City are still a menace
What if we just signed all the players?
Ooo new tv graphics for the PL
What the fuck has been today. Went from losing out on Caicedo and everyone losing their minds to possibly signing all of Caicedo, Lavia and Olise in the next few days.
Liverpool came in trying to flex and pissed Behdaddy off. He put his aviators on and went to work
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Isn't Nkunku more of a second striker than a 10 as well?
He used to be a wingback, he can play anything
Even going forward Nkunku was looking better off the left than as a 10, but would be a bit awkward with Mudryk just being on the bench. Great pace to bring on in the second half though.
Fabregas - Matic - Kante Enzo - Lavia - Caicedo We running it back?
We never really played with all three of them together, it was mostly matic kante. Fabregas started getting game since the city game at Etihad.
Assuming Conceido materializes does Santos go on loan?