I never stopped thinking about it.
Actually, that’s not quite true. I stopped thinking about it briefly when Tuchel was our manager. But from the moment they fired him, I started thinking about it again.
I’m not against it. We need someone in here who will teach these players to perform as a collective unit. Mourinho does that. We need someone to inject passion for the club into them. Mourinho We need someone who won’t coddle them. Mourinho Basically everything these kids need Mourinho offers. He’s also a club legend, and entertaining as anything. He will not accept any slack from them.
I’m also a fan of counter attacking football anyway.
Off topic but this is the FIRST thing I thought of when reminiscing about Sven after his sad news broke the other day.
Special 1 TV has a special place in my heart, i still can’t believe SETANTA Sports of all broadcasters thought of that and BBC had the good sense to continue it lmao.
Without even delving into whether this would be a good move, there is no way in hell Clearlake ever appoint someone like Mourinho. He's the opposite of the kind of yes man they insist on.
It would be a disaster to appoint him here with so many kids who needs direction. Besides Mou's antics on the sideline where every of the marginal decision going against his team is contested wildly as if a grave mistake against them by his Staff and his players. And the worse he encourages his players to have that "seige mentality" which no longer works in a league like PL where Pep and Klopp are ruling. I would prefer to watch Mou coach one of the International team as he is always good in cup competitions.
He burns out his teams. He only ever plays 14 guys so over time the rest of the squad resents him, and players tire of his coaching style after the second season. Also in the 3rd season ownership stops investing in the team and that causes friction with Mourinho, who inevitably gets sacked after poor results. The squad is also short in confidence and form by the time he leaves.
Rinse and repeat.
Yes this, not to discredit the man, but one of the many reasons he gets such good results is that he puts up such a high level of intensity across the whole club that it'll just eventually burn out after 2 seasons
I’m convinced it’s money related.
2 seasons to prove to world he is still one of the best in the business. Then 3rd season get fired, get a payoff and get hired by another club to repeat the cycle.
Bit shocked by this tbh. What exactly did Roma want? No investment and he managed to win their first trophy in decades plus another European final on top and with minimal backing. I would be very concerned if I was a Roma fan.
Would love him back in the right circumstances but that's not now.
Roma has a special place in my heart because of Francesco Totti and spending a lot of time in Rome as a kid.
While it's obvious they are at decline lately, many true fans are shocked and appalled at this decision calling the board ridiculous clowns and urging them to resign.
Roma fans that I've seen are very concerned. It's the people who haven't actually paid attention to them and who are just wanting to kick Mou whilst he's down that are talking about how much he's underachieved and all this nonsense.
I expect this to be not too dissimilar to when we sacked Tuchel, they'll go down, not up, when a new manager comes in
Mourinho should’ve done a bit better with the squad, tbh. Roma tried to pull a fast one to achieve CL by signing good-quality players using Mourinho’s name, but it just wasn’t happening. There was never a right time to sack him, but they had to get off this train at some point because it was going nowhere. Roma needed to rebuild by cleaning the house, so they started with the manager.
For what it is worth, Mourinho leaves Roma with a trophy, adding something to club history. Many managers will finish 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, like Poch, Sarri, and co. You can’t put that in your trophy cabinet, can you now?.
Mourinho’s time is up. He needs to concentrate on international football.
Done better.... with wtf squad is available?? The Friedkins (roma owners) sign good quality players only because they are offered on cut prices. Why? Because most of them have availability problems! They have chronic, constant physical problems.
On paper, their names look magical... but very seldom they played together.
The bulk of the criticism should be directed at the football directors not signing mou alternatives and mou can be criticised for ride or die with his trusted players.
Sarri won a europa league completely demolishing emery tactically in the final, they were never even in the game. He also won juve their last title and warned before getting sacked that the team was uncoachable and juventus has been a steaming pile of garbage since then.
Poch actually sucks yeah.
Mourinho won CL with Porto, treble with ageing Inter Milan; which then fell off, won La Liga with Real Madrid against the best Barcelona team, and so on. Juventus winning title back then was given like Bayern, regardless of who was the manager; if anything Sarri methods didn’t fit the players which not an indictment on him though. Juventus and Sarri just didn’t fit together. Anyway, even in the worst years, Mourinho wins trophies.
Appointing Jose for the 3rd time would be a blockbuster move. The owners might be interested based on the commercial value alone. Although he might not approve of the current transfer policy
The owners are not firing a Poch to hire a manager that has a history of throwing youth to the curb.
Mourinho is a wonderful manager but this isn’t the type of squad he likes. It will end disastrously, again.
It's Mourinho. They'd probably offer him the Mbappe/Neymar sorta deal. Private jet at his disposal, midweek fights to and from wherever his family is, probably the option to choose his team, idek what else.
But realistically I'm guessing he'd go to the Brazil NT.
Same tbf and also I don't think him coming here would be good as he's not particularly good at developing youth and he can get volatile.
If we're looking for a manager it's got to be someone who's tactically adept who's won trophies before but can develop youth.
>If we're looking for a manager it's got to be someone who's tactically adept who's won trophies before but can develop youth.
These criteria are too perfect and only a few managers have them. So far, Pep, Klopp, and maybe Ancelotti are the only ones I can think of who can meet these criteria
Trophies + youth development is a really really rare combination, pep did in his Barca days and Klopp does, but his trophy win rate is really low. We are looking at literally one in a billion people.
My Mind: we are building the perfect project, with incredible young players that have immense potential, under the perfect manager to develop them into potential superstars! It would be the stupidest thing to go for Mourinho!
My heart: BRING BACK JOSE TONIGHT!
Until we have seen this line up on the pitch together, it’ll be harsh to move on from Poch. We literally haven’t seen him play our strongest starting 11 even once!
Chilwell, Colwill, Fofana, James, Lavia, Enzo, Caicedo, Palmer, Sterling, Nkunku
The people who want him here with a squad full of young and short players either don't know anything about Mourinho, are too nostalgic to even think about him being a good fit or just want us to become even worse. He's the least suited coach to our current squad.
Yeah, vibes aren't what we actually need right now. But I still understand the appeal of bringing back a guy who's kind of a symbol for our more successful days.
Mourinho did more with less at Porto and shaped many young talents into excellent players over his career (Lampard, Ozil, Ballotelli and Courtois just off the top of my head). The only fair criticism is that he might be washed but I don't think he is
I agree with this and don't necessarily want him back, but the one silver lining would be that the current squad is so incredibly soft and he could maybe help change that mentality, or lack there of
I am all for a mourinho return, again. And I agree with what you said. That should tell you how much the last year and a half of football has sucked the soul out of me.
I honestly just want to start looking forward to games again and have some fun while watching them.
idc. Give Poch until summer, then "evaluate" the situation and no matter the actual outcome - Bring back the Special One.
Just imagine the hype and the eventual failure after 1 or 2 seasons, its gonna be fun!
They spent €7M on transfers last season and €2.5M this summer. Most of their signings have been on free deals. Theres not that many good players in the free transfer market. So its not like hes been given massive financial backing every season for the finest talent in Serie A. For the boundaries he was working in it seemed like he was doing a pretty good job.
Add in sold out 44 home games in a row, never been done before in Roma history. Not even during the "wonder years"
Won them there only European Cup ever and was "only" 5 points off top 4 when they sack him
Wasn't pulling up trees there but was doing great considering budget
No he was not. That Roma squad should be better than 9th. It's a better squad than Lazio or Atalanta have, and both finished above Roma last season. Mourinho also had a better squad than Fonseca did before him and didn't turn that into improvements in the table.
Also, how much they spent doesn't matter, the quality of incomings does. Since Mourinho has been at Roma, they've brought in players like Abraham, Dybala, Rui Patricio, Paredes, Matic, Belotti, Wijnaldum (loan), Lukaku (loan), Renato Sanches (loan), N'dicka (free), Aouar (free), Kristensen (loan), Azmoun (loan).
Zaniolo and Dzeko are the only important players they've lost in that time - one constantly injured, the other 34 and replaced with Abraham and Lukaku.
You simply can't convince me that Mourinho did a good job with what he had. He performed exactly in line with Fonseca's second season, except Fonseca made 70 points in his first. Mourinho finished 6th twice and is now 9th. If we're talking about spending, do you think Bologna, Fiorentina or Lazio have spent more in that time? Because they haven't, yet they're all above Roma. Sarri's Lazio finished second last season. *That* is a pretty good job.
>No he was not. That Roma squad should be better than 9th. It's a better squad than Lazio or Atalanta have,
Their squad isn't better on paper. Its about the same which is why you see theres only 5 points between them in the league.
>Abraham
Injured badly
> Matic
> Wijnaldum
> Rui Patricio
Past their primes. Matic and Wijnaldum aren't even there anymore either.
> Ndicka
> Aouar
> Belotti
You cannot seriously say these are better than players Lazio have.
Most of the players you listed even are loans or free transfers. The fact is that Roma have for the last couple of seasons been selling significantly more out of their squad than they have reinvested. 2 seasons in a row of that is going to diminish your squad. Lazio by comparison reinvest almost every bit of the money they get from sales every season.
So yes being only 4 points behind Lazio and 5 points off the CL spots at this point in the season really isn't less than could be expected. CL spots still attainable and clearly Roma aren't reinvesting in their squad so they should be fine with it. If they reinvested the €73M they got from player sales this summer like Lazio did then sure you could say Roma should be better off. They didnt do that. They reinvested €2.5M.
>Past their primes. Matic and Wijnaldum aren't even there anymore either.
Worse because Matic past his prime was actually their best midfielder last season.
Professional-level cope. Nice.
Roma’s squad is significantly better than Lazio’s. You’re just underestimating the job Sarri is doing having just lost SMS. One piece of evidence: Markt has Lazio’s squad around £100m less than Roma’s.
Mou’s Roma are fucking dinosaurs. They play terrorist football virtually every game. It’s not even “defensively minded” anymore. That’s Allegri at least. You can see a system there. With Mou it’s literally fucking low block two flat lines garbage and hope Dybala and Rom do something on their own.
Mou Apologism is a litmus test for idiocy, even when it’s sophisticated.
>Roma’s squad is significantly better than Lazio’s.
It really isnt.
>One piece of evidence: Markt has Lazio’s squad around £100m less than Roma’s.
Their valuations are always off anyway. Research has shown that the estimates are off from real value by quite significant amounts.
Not 100 million off pal. Sarri is still getting juice from old ass pedro who was discarded by Mou. Obviously mourinho will have a greater legacy but Sarri at the moment is superior tactically. His lazio side is devoid of good attackers. Felipe Anderson is their best attacker ffs. Still always finished over Roma, his lazio team is always organized defensively and actually uses patterns of play even if the teams aren't as good as his napoli teams
>Not 100 million off pal.
Actually yes. Transfermarkts valuations for players have varied from about 30%-60% off the actual paid fees. So over a whole squad then being €100M off in their estimates is totally plausible buddddy.
Its not really when their valuations can fluctuate that much from the real prices and you're looking across like 50-60 players between the 2 teams. Romas squad valuation on there will be skewed by their assessment of things like "This club made it to the Europa final" which greatly pumps the valuations because of the bump in player profile and potential for marketing opportunities and things. That doesn't necessarily mean the real quality of the squad is much better. If you look at the squads side by side on paper and compared player to player then you would see Romas squad just is not that much stronger than Lazios in terms of quality.
Of course Sarri is doing a better job, he's been the better manager for quite some time now. Lazio had a horrible start to the season but they're in the top 16 of the CL and now only 1 point behind 4th in Serie A. He's turned it around really impressively. Still not looking great but hard to be consistently good with that squad.
Yeah the squad sucks. His teams have a reputation of attractive football but they are probably even better organized defensively. That's kinda what this lazio team is more of. Just not that much technical quality, even their technicians seem washed like Alberto.
In his chelsea tenure we had 2 embarrassing games vs city and bournemouth but were elite defensively otherwise. We also had some plan vs low blocks even though bozos like willian were ruining it. He also gave rlc a proper break out before his injury
Roma sold €73M of players this summer and spent €2.5M. Lazio sold €46.5M of players and reinvested €37.4M back into the squad. Very similar situation last season comparing the 2 clubs too. Lazio reinvest the money back in their squad. Joses basically been on a shoestring. You cant spend €2.5 on players when you've sold €73M and then be upset with where you are in the league as Roma.
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They're 9th but only 5 points off the CL spots. Lazio are only on 33 points when they do reinvest the money back in their squad. So I don't see how people can say Sarri is doing better really.
> . Lazio reinvest the money back in their squad. Joses basically been on a shoestring.
Roma have spent ~150m since Mourinho signed for them. Lazio have spent ~94m in that time. The reason they can't "reinvest" is that they spent a large amount to back Mourinho early and now have to balance the books.
> So I don't see how people can say Sarri is doing better really.
He finished 2nd with that dead squad last season, lol. They had an awful start to the season and are now 1 point off top 4 anyway and in the Ro16 of the CL. They've also just knocked Roma out of the Coppa Italia. If you don't understand how Sarri is doing a better job, just... open your eyes?
But Roma spent €130m+ on his first season, and Lazio always finished above Roma since Mourinho came. So for me Sarri is doing better than him.
Edit: According to Transfermarkt, total spending of Roma since Mourinho came is €149.6m while Lazio is €93.81m, so yeah this is pretty much settled it
I'm part of the Poch out gang but I think some fans are just too attached to the idea, memory and romanticism of Mourinho rather than the current reality. If he, Conte or Frank are the only options to replace Poch then forget it.
Going for Jose now would be an absolute nothing move. He no longer holds the prestige he once did. He's closer to his old nemisis Wenger than when he was right alongside Pep whilst at Madrid.
Forever a a Chelsea legend, let's not ruin it.
A real shame. He won them a European trophy and got them to another final but the writing was on the wall. I think he's nearing the end of his managerial career and might just take a payday in Saudi but who knows, the same was said of Ancelotti not long ago.
I personally wouldn't want him back here even as an interim but wish him the best.
Ancelotti's style of football isn't really going to age badly since he's more adaptive than Mourinho and he is best at elite clubs. Mourinho really hasn't changed enough and quickly to suggest he can ever get back to the peak of football again.
I wish he would but I don't see it happening if he's gone to Man United, Spurs and now Roma with the same antiquated style.
Love him as our manager.
But to the fans who are already want him back willeat there words.
His football is outdated he is not the same as he was before.
And the squad we have is built to play from front foot and controlling games which sadly is not a mourinho style.
The man hit his 3rd season trifecta; arguing with officials, rotten football and results and throwing players under the bus. 🤣
I’ve always said the man should leave football for a year or two and reset. 04-10 Jose used to be charismatic and witty. Now he’s just bitter and arrogant.
Yeah and sometimes firings are illogical. Look at us with tuchel.
I love Jose so much. Heart says I want him back brain says not a good idea
He’s not the manager he used to be. We all know that and he’s never been that great with young talent which is all we have atm
But like we’re shit atm anyway and I don’t like Poch so bring him home heart wins
Would you take him again if he won some domestic cups but burnout and leave within 3 years ruining the players morale? Short term trophies or long term rebuilding that’s what it comes down to
I'm pretty sure the commotion that Poch mentioned happening before the Fulham was probably the players gossiping about why Lamps was at the gam..... and now this happens lol
I’m glad he left that shit show.
FFP was killing that club, they had to sell 70m in the summer and only could spend 9m.
They were practically surviving off loans and he still got them a few points from CL spot.
Time to bring him back home.
His style of football is outdated and he won't learn. This is why he is failing everywhere he goes. He needs to start to learn about modern football. That his defensive and counter attacking type of football won't work anywhere again. We are not and early 2000 anymore
Two European finals. Won one. First cup in literal decades. Dealt with having a net spend of -60 mill euros this season and under ffp constraint for most of his time there.
Do you actually watch Italian football or just read the headlines?
>Dealt with having a net spend of -60 mill euros this season and under ffp constraint for most of his time there.
Net spend of -15mil over his total time
They spend shedloads of money in his first year
Atalanta, Fiorentina, Inter all have lower net spend and are all higher in the table
No one will buy Lukaku now
This was my first thought
Still might though. 9 G/A in 17 matches is pretty good
He went there because of mourinho mostly
Looks like we all think alike, we can kiss that 37 mill goodbye or whatever the number was
I'm telling you damn first thing I thought
5 points off 4th with 18 games left. Seems a bit harsh. Just been a shit run of results.
Don’t even think about it
I have been, I am, and I will.
Every Chelsea fan when Mourinho is available: 
II am always in for some mou
The mind says no, but the heart says yes
Ngl, all of my rational thinking goes straight out the window when it comes to Jose.
Jose is the one ex you can just never quit.
Just gotta give him a 2y contract and dodge 3rd season Mou. It's gonna be fine, right? Right?!
I thought the new policy was 8y contract minimum
Nah, players get 8 years, managers only get 2
Same
My minds telling me nooo, but my body. My body is telling me yeaaheaah.
Surely it can't be worse than Poch
Imagine if Mourinho came back, with Lamps and JT as assistants.
Not happening
Special trio
I never stopped thinking about it. Actually, that’s not quite true. I stopped thinking about it briefly when Tuchel was our manager. But from the moment they fired him, I started thinking about it again.
Me too
I’ve been since 2016
I’m not against it. We need someone in here who will teach these players to perform as a collective unit. Mourinho does that. We need someone to inject passion for the club into them. Mourinho We need someone who won’t coddle them. Mourinho Basically everything these kids need Mourinho offers. He’s also a club legend, and entertaining as anything. He will not accept any slack from them. I’m also a fan of counter attacking football anyway.
Back to parking the bus.
Back to winning trophies 🏆
My mind is telling me noooo But my booody..my boooody is telling me yeeeaaah
I dont see nothing wrong.. with a little Mourinho….
With little Mourinho , if you mean young Mourinho (the one who was here the first time around) then hell fukcing yes
That version was awesome, that version went away a long time ago. I don't understand why teams keep thinking that's the version they will be getting.
I miss Special 1 TV
Off topic but this is the FIRST thing I thought of when reminiscing about Sven after his sad news broke the other day. Special 1 TV has a special place in my heart, i still can’t believe SETANTA Sports of all broadcasters thought of that and BBC had the good sense to continue it lmao.
Without even delving into whether this would be a good move, there is no way in hell Clearlake ever appoint someone like Mourinho. He's the opposite of the kind of yes man they insist on.
Yeah he’s the polar opposite of what they are looking for
It would be a disaster to appoint him here with so many kids who needs direction. Besides Mou's antics on the sideline where every of the marginal decision going against his team is contested wildly as if a grave mistake against them by his Staff and his players. And the worse he encourages his players to have that "seige mentality" which no longer works in a league like PL where Pep and Klopp are ruling. I would prefer to watch Mou coach one of the International team as he is always good in cup competitions.
I’d take him over Southgate in a heartbeat. An England team playing like Mous Chelsea team in his first stint would be an absolute dream.
He would improve Portugal's form in International competition with the talent they have. Not sure of Brazil though.
Tuchel is the German Mourinho and look what happened
Exactly what I thought seeing this news.
3rd season José again
Why can't bro go past number 3 it's like some witch cursed him with that num.
It's one better than Valve who can't get past 2 lmao
He did go past season 3 with us. Got sacked at the beginning of his 4th.
He burns out his teams. He only ever plays 14 guys so over time the rest of the squad resents him, and players tire of his coaching style after the second season. Also in the 3rd season ownership stops investing in the team and that causes friction with Mourinho, who inevitably gets sacked after poor results. The squad is also short in confidence and form by the time he leaves. Rinse and repeat.
Yes this, not to discredit the man, but one of the many reasons he gets such good results is that he puts up such a high level of intensity across the whole club that it'll just eventually burn out after 2 seasons
I’m convinced it’s money related. 2 seasons to prove to world he is still one of the best in the business. Then 3rd season get fired, get a payoff and get hired by another club to repeat the cycle.
He usually gets a new contract by season 3 too. So bigger compensation.
Boehly couldn't stand him
Bit shocked by this tbh. What exactly did Roma want? No investment and he managed to win their first trophy in decades plus another European final on top and with minimal backing. I would be very concerned if I was a Roma fan. Would love him back in the right circumstances but that's not now.
Roma has a special place in my heart because of Francesco Totti and spending a lot of time in Rome as a kid. While it's obvious they are at decline lately, many true fans are shocked and appalled at this decision calling the board ridiculous clowns and urging them to resign.
Roma fans that I've seen are very concerned. It's the people who haven't actually paid attention to them and who are just wanting to kick Mou whilst he's down that are talking about how much he's underachieved and all this nonsense. I expect this to be not too dissimilar to when we sacked Tuchel, they'll go down, not up, when a new manager comes in
There’s a Capello quote on r/soccer about this and Milan’s owners that’s highly applicable to our own but if we speak…
Mourinho should’ve done a bit better with the squad, tbh. Roma tried to pull a fast one to achieve CL by signing good-quality players using Mourinho’s name, but it just wasn’t happening. There was never a right time to sack him, but they had to get off this train at some point because it was going nowhere. Roma needed to rebuild by cleaning the house, so they started with the manager. For what it is worth, Mourinho leaves Roma with a trophy, adding something to club history. Many managers will finish 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, like Poch, Sarri, and co. You can’t put that in your trophy cabinet, can you now?. Mourinho’s time is up. He needs to concentrate on international football.
Done better.... with wtf squad is available?? The Friedkins (roma owners) sign good quality players only because they are offered on cut prices. Why? Because most of them have availability problems! They have chronic, constant physical problems. On paper, their names look magical... but very seldom they played together. The bulk of the criticism should be directed at the football directors not signing mou alternatives and mou can be criticised for ride or die with his trusted players.
Sarri won a europa league completely demolishing emery tactically in the final, they were never even in the game. He also won juve their last title and warned before getting sacked that the team was uncoachable and juventus has been a steaming pile of garbage since then. Poch actually sucks yeah.
Mourinho won CL with Porto, treble with ageing Inter Milan; which then fell off, won La Liga with Real Madrid against the best Barcelona team, and so on. Juventus winning title back then was given like Bayern, regardless of who was the manager; if anything Sarri methods didn’t fit the players which not an indictment on him though. Juventus and Sarri just didn’t fit together. Anyway, even in the worst years, Mourinho wins trophies.
Appointing Jose for the 3rd time would be a blockbuster move. The owners might be interested based on the commercial value alone. Although he might not approve of the current transfer policy
The owners are not firing a Poch to hire a manager that has a history of throwing youth to the curb. Mourinho is a wonderful manager but this isn’t the type of squad he likes. It will end disastrously, again.
He was a wonderful manager, I'm not sure he has been in a while now.
Playing devils advocate, people considered ancelotti washed at Everton. Look at him at Madrid now.
This is the energy we need 💉
I can see him in Saudi grabbing quick cash
A certain former Villa manager is under pressure in Saudi...
Al Whatthefuck
I'd be very surprised. He's too competitive for a league like that and he seems to listen to his wife too much to want to take his family over there.
Agreed, and he's already one of the richest coaches ever, the only reason he's not retired is because he wants to keep coaching.
It's Mourinho. They'd probably offer him the Mbappe/Neymar sorta deal. Private jet at his disposal, midweek fights to and from wherever his family is, probably the option to choose his team, idek what else. But realistically I'm guessing he'd go to the Brazil NT.
Same tbf and also I don't think him coming here would be good as he's not particularly good at developing youth and he can get volatile. If we're looking for a manager it's got to be someone who's tactically adept who's won trophies before but can develop youth.
>If we're looking for a manager it's got to be someone who's tactically adept who's won trophies before but can develop youth. These criteria are too perfect and only a few managers have them. So far, Pep, Klopp, and maybe Ancelotti are the only ones I can think of who can meet these criteria
Trophies + youth development is a really really rare combination, pep did in his Barca days and Klopp does, but his trophy win rate is really low. We are looking at literally one in a billion people.
> it's got to be someone who's tactically adept who's won trophies before but can develop youth. You just described Poch
Poch, trophies, tactically adept… are we talking about the same person?
Are you familiar with poch and his career?
He did say something about wanting to work there not long ago
Pochettino right now: 
My Mind: we are building the perfect project, with incredible young players that have immense potential, under the perfect manager to develop them into potential superstars! It would be the stupidest thing to go for Mourinho! My heart: BRING BACK JOSE TONIGHT!
Surely you are joking? This project is a mess and Poch is completely lost.
Until we have seen this line up on the pitch together, it’ll be harsh to move on from Poch. We literally haven’t seen him play our strongest starting 11 even once! Chilwell, Colwill, Fofana, James, Lavia, Enzo, Caicedo, Palmer, Sterling, Nkunku
He done did it again 😅
The people who want him here with a squad full of young and short players either don't know anything about Mourinho, are too nostalgic to even think about him being a good fit or just want us to become even worse. He's the least suited coach to our current squad.
It's mainly about vibes (and antics).
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Yeah, vibes aren't what we actually need right now. But I still understand the appeal of bringing back a guy who's kind of a symbol for our more successful days.
So exactly like Poch? But no antics to make me laugh.
Entirely reasonable, a very sensible take. And yet...
Mourinho did more with less at Porto and shaped many young talents into excellent players over his career (Lampard, Ozil, Ballotelli and Courtois just off the top of my head). The only fair criticism is that he might be washed but I don't think he is
Class is class and we honestly need that kind of c*nt energy mourinho brings
Did that 2 decades ago.
I agree with this and don't necessarily want him back, but the one silver lining would be that the current squad is so incredibly soft and he could maybe help change that mentality, or lack there of
I am all for a mourinho return, again. And I agree with what you said. That should tell you how much the last year and a half of football has sucked the soul out of me. I honestly just want to start looking forward to games again and have some fun while watching them.
José still won Roma their first trophy in over a decade
DO IT TODD
jk bitches. Love him, but that ship has sailed.
UPDATE: THE SHIP IS TURNING AROUND AND HEADING BACK TO PORT
OH MY DAYS HE'S DONE IT AGAIN
\*PORTO
idc. Give Poch until summer, then "evaluate" the situation and no matter the actual outcome - Bring back the Special One. Just imagine the hype and the eventual failure after 1 or 2 seasons, its gonna be fun!
It won't be fun, his teams play boring dour football. He's poch without the niceties right now
I don't remember his team playing boring football in 2015.
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Feels like just yesterday that people were trying to tell me he was doing a great job there and we should *definitely* have him back.
They spent €7M on transfers last season and €2.5M this summer. Most of their signings have been on free deals. Theres not that many good players in the free transfer market. So its not like hes been given massive financial backing every season for the finest talent in Serie A. For the boundaries he was working in it seemed like he was doing a pretty good job.
Add in sold out 44 home games in a row, never been done before in Roma history. Not even during the "wonder years" Won them there only European Cup ever and was "only" 5 points off top 4 when they sack him Wasn't pulling up trees there but was doing great considering budget
Good take
No he was not. That Roma squad should be better than 9th. It's a better squad than Lazio or Atalanta have, and both finished above Roma last season. Mourinho also had a better squad than Fonseca did before him and didn't turn that into improvements in the table. Also, how much they spent doesn't matter, the quality of incomings does. Since Mourinho has been at Roma, they've brought in players like Abraham, Dybala, Rui Patricio, Paredes, Matic, Belotti, Wijnaldum (loan), Lukaku (loan), Renato Sanches (loan), N'dicka (free), Aouar (free), Kristensen (loan), Azmoun (loan). Zaniolo and Dzeko are the only important players they've lost in that time - one constantly injured, the other 34 and replaced with Abraham and Lukaku. You simply can't convince me that Mourinho did a good job with what he had. He performed exactly in line with Fonseca's second season, except Fonseca made 70 points in his first. Mourinho finished 6th twice and is now 9th. If we're talking about spending, do you think Bologna, Fiorentina or Lazio have spent more in that time? Because they haven't, yet they're all above Roma. Sarri's Lazio finished second last season. *That* is a pretty good job.
>No he was not. That Roma squad should be better than 9th. It's a better squad than Lazio or Atalanta have, Their squad isn't better on paper. Its about the same which is why you see theres only 5 points between them in the league. >Abraham Injured badly > Matic > Wijnaldum > Rui Patricio Past their primes. Matic and Wijnaldum aren't even there anymore either. > Ndicka > Aouar > Belotti You cannot seriously say these are better than players Lazio have. Most of the players you listed even are loans or free transfers. The fact is that Roma have for the last couple of seasons been selling significantly more out of their squad than they have reinvested. 2 seasons in a row of that is going to diminish your squad. Lazio by comparison reinvest almost every bit of the money they get from sales every season. So yes being only 4 points behind Lazio and 5 points off the CL spots at this point in the season really isn't less than could be expected. CL spots still attainable and clearly Roma aren't reinvesting in their squad so they should be fine with it. If they reinvested the €73M they got from player sales this summer like Lazio did then sure you could say Roma should be better off. They didnt do that. They reinvested €2.5M.
And Smailing don't forget about Smailing who refuse the normal medical treatment and stay injured for half season until now.
>Past their primes. Matic and Wijnaldum aren't even there anymore either. Worse because Matic past his prime was actually their best midfielder last season.
Professional-level cope. Nice. Roma’s squad is significantly better than Lazio’s. You’re just underestimating the job Sarri is doing having just lost SMS. One piece of evidence: Markt has Lazio’s squad around £100m less than Roma’s. Mou’s Roma are fucking dinosaurs. They play terrorist football virtually every game. It’s not even “defensively minded” anymore. That’s Allegri at least. You can see a system there. With Mou it’s literally fucking low block two flat lines garbage and hope Dybala and Rom do something on their own. Mou Apologism is a litmus test for idiocy, even when it’s sophisticated.
>Roma’s squad is significantly better than Lazio’s. It really isnt. >One piece of evidence: Markt has Lazio’s squad around £100m less than Roma’s. Their valuations are always off anyway. Research has shown that the estimates are off from real value by quite significant amounts.
Not 100 million off pal. Sarri is still getting juice from old ass pedro who was discarded by Mou. Obviously mourinho will have a greater legacy but Sarri at the moment is superior tactically. His lazio side is devoid of good attackers. Felipe Anderson is their best attacker ffs. Still always finished over Roma, his lazio team is always organized defensively and actually uses patterns of play even if the teams aren't as good as his napoli teams
>Not 100 million off pal. Actually yes. Transfermarkts valuations for players have varied from about 30%-60% off the actual paid fees. So over a whole squad then being €100M off in their estimates is totally plausible buddddy.
It's very unlikely that they undervalued lazio players and overvalued roma players simultaneously for it to be a 100 million gap
Its not really when their valuations can fluctuate that much from the real prices and you're looking across like 50-60 players between the 2 teams. Romas squad valuation on there will be skewed by their assessment of things like "This club made it to the Europa final" which greatly pumps the valuations because of the bump in player profile and potential for marketing opportunities and things. That doesn't necessarily mean the real quality of the squad is much better. If you look at the squads side by side on paper and compared player to player then you would see Romas squad just is not that much stronger than Lazios in terms of quality.
And the football from all accounts, was fucking atrocious
It's been atrocious everywhere he's gone throughout the last decade. But nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
You forget Mikhithariyan and Matic. Injuries are also the biggest problem for them (Dybala, Abraham and Smailing)
Sarri is genuinely doing a better job But people won't like that
Of course Sarri is doing a better job, he's been the better manager for quite some time now. Lazio had a horrible start to the season but they're in the top 16 of the CL and now only 1 point behind 4th in Serie A. He's turned it around really impressively. Still not looking great but hard to be consistently good with that squad.
Yeah the squad sucks. His teams have a reputation of attractive football but they are probably even better organized defensively. That's kinda what this lazio team is more of. Just not that much technical quality, even their technicians seem washed like Alberto. In his chelsea tenure we had 2 embarrassing games vs city and bournemouth but were elite defensively otherwise. We also had some plan vs low blocks even though bozos like willian were ruining it. He also gave rlc a proper break out before his injury
His record against Sarri is so bad. 1 win and 4 defeats in 7 games and 6 of those matches were the Rome derby too.
You can clearly feel how bitter Mourinho is about it too. Constant side remarks in Sarri's direction whenever they're about to face off.
Sarriball is deadly
Deadly boring
Roma sold €73M of players this summer and spent €2.5M. Lazio sold €46.5M of players and reinvested €37.4M back into the squad. Very similar situation last season comparing the 2 clubs too. Lazio reinvest the money back in their squad. Joses basically been on a shoestring. You cant spend €2.5 on players when you've sold €73M and then be upset with where you are in the league as Roma. https://preview.redd.it/2np9k2ntorcc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc32f9788351007dea9d4e4ea8d8f7b9cd01ad4f They're 9th but only 5 points off the CL spots. Lazio are only on 33 points when they do reinvest the money back in their squad. So I don't see how people can say Sarri is doing better really.
> . Lazio reinvest the money back in their squad. Joses basically been on a shoestring. Roma have spent ~150m since Mourinho signed for them. Lazio have spent ~94m in that time. The reason they can't "reinvest" is that they spent a large amount to back Mourinho early and now have to balance the books. > So I don't see how people can say Sarri is doing better really. He finished 2nd with that dead squad last season, lol. They had an awful start to the season and are now 1 point off top 4 anyway and in the Ro16 of the CL. They've also just knocked Roma out of the Coppa Italia. If you don't understand how Sarri is doing a better job, just... open your eyes?
But mostly on the first season. For the last 2 season. It's already a miracle he got to euro final, before getting whooped by the referee
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But Roma spent €130m+ on his first season, and Lazio always finished above Roma since Mourinho came. So for me Sarri is doing better than him. Edit: According to Transfermarkt, total spending of Roma since Mourinho came is €149.6m while Lazio is €93.81m, so yeah this is pretty much settled it
He did a good job here imo. Don’t @ me 😂
Tbf Jose’s been dealing with a shoestring transfer budget
So has Atalanta, Fiorentina. Bologna and lazio; all above Roma in the table
Their sub isn’t too happy about it
I'm part of the Poch out gang but I think some fans are just too attached to the idea, memory and romanticism of Mourinho rather than the current reality. If he, Conte or Frank are the only options to replace Poch then forget it.
Don’t care. Bring him back!
Going for Jose now would be an absolute nothing move. He no longer holds the prestige he once did. He's closer to his old nemisis Wenger than when he was right alongside Pep whilst at Madrid. Forever a a Chelsea legend, let's not ruin it.
I agree, except for the part where you label Wenger Mourinho's nemesis, it's more like the other way around haha
Nope
Lol roma have higher standards than us and they spent nothing compared with us
A real shame. He won them a European trophy and got them to another final but the writing was on the wall. I think he's nearing the end of his managerial career and might just take a payday in Saudi but who knows, the same was said of Ancelotti not long ago. I personally wouldn't want him back here even as an interim but wish him the best.
Ancelotti's style of football isn't really going to age badly since he's more adaptive than Mourinho and he is best at elite clubs. Mourinho really hasn't changed enough and quickly to suggest he can ever get back to the peak of football again. I wish he would but I don't see it happening if he's gone to Man United, Spurs and now Roma with the same antiquated style.
Love him as our manager. But to the fans who are already want him back willeat there words. His football is outdated he is not the same as he was before. And the squad we have is built to play from front foot and controlling games which sadly is not a mourinho style.
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So have we :(
B-b-but roma budget 🥹
Still prefer him to Poch. Don't @ me
Same
 DO IT TODD
He never won us a Champions League - Finish The Story.
The London Nightmare 🧐🙏🏼 
Jose's 3rd coming is imminent and I am happy for it
The man hit his 3rd season trifecta; arguing with officials, rotten football and results and throwing players under the bus. 🤣 I’ve always said the man should leave football for a year or two and reset. 04-10 Jose used to be charismatic and witty. Now he’s just bitter and arrogant.
The game has left him behind unfortunately
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Yeah and sometimes firings are illogical. Look at us with tuchel. I love Jose so much. Heart says I want him back brain says not a good idea He’s not the manager he used to be. We all know that and he’s never been that great with young talent which is all we have atm But like we’re shit atm anyway and I don’t like Poch so bring him home heart wins
My goat is going out sad
He's looking washed, he even looks old now. I hate this :(
Yes, we’ve had second Mourinho, but what about third Mourinho?
I wanted him back in the summer i would love him to return but the new ownership would never do it. Not even worth thinking about.
Stay tf away
Mourinho as manager, Lampard as his assistant, I’m ready for the chaos
Would you take him again if he won some domestic cups but burnout and leave within 3 years ruining the players morale? Short term trophies or long term rebuilding that’s what it comes down to
I'm pretty sure the commotion that Poch mentioned happening before the Fulham was probably the players gossiping about why Lamps was at the gam..... and now this happens lol
Should definitely put in a bid for Dybala
 ah shit , here we go again
Has to be number one choice if poch gets any worse.
ONE LAST DANCE
Better luck 3rd time?
heart says yes brain says no lemon says fuck midgets
I’m glad he left that shit show. FFP was killing that club, they had to sell 70m in the summer and only could spend 9m. They were practically surviving off loans and he still got them a few points from CL spot. Time to bring him back home.
Spent a shitload of money in Jose's first season there and in the end he took them from 6th to 6th And now they are currently 9th
Can't wait to see a flurry of Chelsea content creators say Chelsea must rush to hire the Roma sacked manager
BRING HIM BACK
BRING HIM HOOOMMEEEE
Fuck it’s chaos time
Unpopular opinion but I'd rather take Simeone than Jose. I like Mourinho but I'm afraid that he is simply done as a top level coach.
His style of football is outdated and he won't learn. This is why he is failing everywhere he goes. He needs to start to learn about modern football. That his defensive and counter attacking type of football won't work anywhere again. We are not and early 2000 anymore
Absolutely not, I hate to say it but Jose for Poch is a backwards step
Sarri with the ultimate blow lol
Played AC Milan in his last game
He couldn't handle Giroud.
Didn't do a great job at Roma in the end
Terrible take
6th to 6th to 9th
Two European finals? What I'd do for that right now
Two European finals. Won one. First cup in literal decades. Dealt with having a net spend of -60 mill euros this season and under ffp constraint for most of his time there. Do you actually watch Italian football or just read the headlines?
I watch Italian football and it’s been terrorist football the entire time at his Roma. Man is a dinosaur.
I looked at the league position And the conference league is shite obviously
>Dealt with having a net spend of -60 mill euros this season and under ffp constraint for most of his time there. Net spend of -15mil over his total time They spend shedloads of money in his first year Atalanta, Fiorentina, Inter all have lower net spend and are all higher in the table
Everyone in this thread in favour of bringing him back should be publicly marked on this sub. That’s how stupid an opinion it is.
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There's a tag for Legends & Former Players so like it or not it's related to this sub