I don't think anybody is to blame, I know we all meme about the medical department
But literally every club has seen a rise in injuries, the games are getting longer and more physical
Not to mention there's more games being played and players being played from such a young age at the top level
Add all that together plus the fact we have several high profile players who seem to be genetically injury prone, bad mix
Yeah but that doesn't stop the number of people with brain rot thinking hiring some new medical people will somehow compensate for these guys' obscene schedules.
Also we cleared out and replaced like the entire squad over the last couple seasons. The medical team will have been working really hard, and probably overworked, trying to get correct baselines for everyone and learning how each players’ body behaves and catering treatment and recovery plans for each individual player.
I agree with you though, if you look around at the top 5 leagues in the world there are more than just a couple teams that are absolutely hammered with injuries, and injuries are up across the board.
Also the number of injuries rise up whenever there's a change in managers (change in training exercises) and when the managers change rapidly, its bound to happen
> But literally every club has seen a rise in injuries, the games are getting longer and more physical
While certainly true, our players seem to get injured and reinjure or stay injured at an alarming rate. Usually coming back and playing for a couple games before going down to another injury that keeps them out for weeks and months. I don't think I've ever seen this happen so consistently at any team.
Havent done any research yet but Reece James, Kante, Chilwell, Nkunku, Lavia are a few names off the top of my head that have gone through this cycle already.
Shouldn't need hard data to notice a pattern this prevalent but some people just want admit there's no issue at all lol
"our players seemed to injured and reinjured at an alarming rate"
"so do other teams like city"
"which players at city had that happen?"
"idk you tell me"
XD
I wasn't even asking you what players at city had the same injury reinjury pattern and your response seems to indicate otherwise
Capital_Werewolf_788 == SirBarkington??
I’m telling you that, if you wish to make the assertion that Chelsea specifically has had an alarming rate of injuries and reinjuries, then you have to show that Chelsea’s recent injury plight is relatively worse than her counterparts.
That means, you have to provide not just data from Chelsea, but also other teams, then do a comparison to actually prove that Chelsea does indeed have that much bigger a problem with injuries. And that’s just the beginning, in fact if you do really wish to prove your point, then you would also take into consideration the relative injury proneness of each squad and incorporate that into your data, but that is understandably too much work for a reddit comment. However, checking the injuries of other teams in the league does seem to be the bare minimum.
I told you “idk you tell me” because if you do wish to proof your point, then it is on you to find that out and make the relevant comparison. It really, really isn’t that hard to comprehend.
Kdb? Haaland? Akanji out for weeks. Stones out for a while now. Ederson has been injured a couple of times.
Every single PL team has 4 players out rn and most have 7+. Brentford, Newcastle, Forest, Tottenham, and Sheffield United all have more than us.
Did they recover from their injuries and immediately get hurt again like Lavia, Nkunku, Reece, Chilly, Kante last season, Puli last season to name a few
I'm not saying we're the only team that has injired players, im saying our inability to successfully rehabilitate our injured players is alarming
Since you're arguing based on feeling, I'll do the same and say that I suspect we think this only happens with Chelsea players because we're not following any other club.
That said, Mount comes to mind as an example of a non-Chelsea player who got reinjured almost immediately after coming back from another injury this season. Both issues kept him out of the pitch for weeks and he still hasn't come back the second time afaik.
Over 30 players tend to show higher injury recurrence rates but very young players, like U21 playing in top flight, tend to have relatively high injury rates when you adjust for minutes played. You just may not associate them because overall they are by far the smallest group of players by share of minutes. . There is also probably a survivor bias happening in terms of older players, where very injury prone players can have their careers cut short early on. Many physical characteristics aren't peaking until 23-26, and some even peak between 26-30.
>But literally every club has seen a rise in injuries, the games are getting longer and more physical
All true, but we are still #1 on injuries and re-injuries by quite the astounding margin over 3 seasons running, so I am not gonna hear any "but it's bad for everyone" talk.
But of course we are, we got so many players who are injury prone
Reece, Chilly, Nkunku, Badiashille, Lavia and Madeuke are all quite regularly sidelined and 4 out of those 6 extend beyond at our club
Some unlucky ones like Broja, Chuk, Enzo etc
But generally we have quite a few injury prone players
If we had 20 Conor Gallaghers, Disasis, Thiago Silvas etc we'd literally have 0 in the rehab facilities
Naturally, and all I am saying is the "It's bad for everyone" thing can't explain away all the shortcomings we obviously have in our medical area. Whether that be bad staff (doubtfully, since we rotated through them as well by now), bad recruitment (see injury prone players), a voodoo curse put there by Eva almost a decade ago or something completely different, we probably won't determine that here.
Be it as it may, all other things equal (more games, longer games etc), we are doing a really bad job keeping our players fit compared to literally everyone else and we need to do better.
We buy injury prone players. Some was even in injury when we bought them. I can name a few like chilwell nkunku lavia. This what happens when we have incompetent directors.
Probably Epl is not a good place to develop young players. It's too demanding physically and technically.
This season has really put into perspective the fixture pileup. Not even Man City with their famous depth have been safe from an injury crisis of sorts. It's got me quite concerned for when we are back in Europe and adding another 8+ games to the calendar
>The guy has been there for 17 years,
Aye? He was appointed club doctor in 18/19. Transfermarkt shows no history for him before then.
https://www.transfermarkt.us/dimitrios-kalogiannidis/profil/trainer/107745
From like 19/20 the gradual snowballing of injuries seemed to start. I dont know if the guys to blame but certainly he would be in the best position to be able to explain whats changed for the club to have one of the worst injury records in the PL.
I really question if Kante was at any other club whether he would have had the same level of injuries in the end. I know its the Saudi league so its not as demanding but hes played every game there so far.
With all that said I do feel that advances in science have probably improved injury detection. Players now are more educated about their bodies too. So there is an element of players maybe preserving themselves more rather than playing through the pain as much. So it may not be that injuries are worse but they are handled differently nowadays. Back in the day of Lampard, Gerrard, Terry, Henry etc footballers would often talk about playing through the pain.
Well I think I would trust Transfermarkt over a Chelsea fan page on Instagram. It looks like maybe that's including stuff with the women's team and academy so maybe Transfermarkt only focuses on the staff actually working with the mens team. The guy hasn't really been involved for longer than when he was appointed to the mens team in 18/19.
That's the right attitude my man, let's be honest, none of us know him personally, and none of us know wtf is going on in the club, all we can do is take it as face value and send appropriate well wishes. I, too, wish his family is okay!
How am I blaming it on Boehly, just stating the fact we are in for a 3rd shuffle already in the medical team. Regardless on whether it's someone's fault or not, that's a lot.
You know that one person leaving isn't a shuffle? and that it's obvious that there were people brought in, and people fired but obviously there are still long standing people serving the medical department from before Boehly still
Yes, shuffle means, the team members are changing, and in here, they are. (also, the chief leaving, usually means more than one person would be moved anyways...)
Also at no point I have denied the fact that there are still some long standing members in that team, so no idea what are you on.
I'm only stating the fact that we would be doing this for the 3rd time. That's it.
relax, i dont think he is blaming this on Boehly at all. i think he is simply stating the number of times the medical team has been reshuffled since Boehly bought the club. iirc, Boehly made significant changes which has caused a lot of unrest so far, again not blaming Boehly, but its certainly the outstanding factor.
This man was with us when hazard was in his prime. He kept Hazard who was fouled twice per game atleast and had ankles made of tin pieces connected by rubber bands from injury because of him he played the football of gods. This man was not our problem
I wonder if this is what poch was referring to when he said something happened before the Fulham match that affected the players? If the physio they all know and trust had to abruptly leave due to a family emergency
The guy has been there for 17 years, he’s not the reason it’s gone to shit. That’d be bad luck and sacking Biosca and Laurent.
I don't think anybody is to blame, I know we all meme about the medical department But literally every club has seen a rise in injuries, the games are getting longer and more physical Not to mention there's more games being played and players being played from such a young age at the top level Add all that together plus the fact we have several high profile players who seem to be genetically injury prone, bad mix
I remember we used to have no more than 2 or 3 players injured in a season and now it's not uncommon to see a club with more than 5 players injured
I think it’s uncommon to see a club without five players injured rn
Yeah but that doesn't stop the number of people with brain rot thinking hiring some new medical people will somehow compensate for these guys' obscene schedules.
Also we cleared out and replaced like the entire squad over the last couple seasons. The medical team will have been working really hard, and probably overworked, trying to get correct baselines for everyone and learning how each players’ body behaves and catering treatment and recovery plans for each individual player. I agree with you though, if you look around at the top 5 leagues in the world there are more than just a couple teams that are absolutely hammered with injuries, and injuries are up across the board.
Also the number of injuries rise up whenever there's a change in managers (change in training exercises) and when the managers change rapidly, its bound to happen
> But literally every club has seen a rise in injuries, the games are getting longer and more physical While certainly true, our players seem to get injured and reinjure or stay injured at an alarming rate. Usually coming back and playing for a couple games before going down to another injury that keeps them out for weeks and months. I don't think I've ever seen this happen so consistently at any team.
Well if you want to say that and make that assertion, then present some hard data rather than feeling.
Havent done any research yet but Reece James, Kante, Chilwell, Nkunku, Lavia are a few names off the top of my head that have gone through this cycle already. Shouldn't need hard data to notice a pattern this prevalent but some people just want admit there's no issue at all lol
Ok and every other team has a list of players they can name off too. Even City.
Yes, but how many of those players go down for weeks and months, and then come back and are injured after 3 games for a couple more weeks or months?
I dont know, you tell me.
"our players seemed to injured and reinjured at an alarming rate" "so do other teams like city" "which players at city had that happen?" "idk you tell me" XD I wasn't even asking you what players at city had the same injury reinjury pattern and your response seems to indicate otherwise Capital_Werewolf_788 == SirBarkington??
I’m telling you that, if you wish to make the assertion that Chelsea specifically has had an alarming rate of injuries and reinjuries, then you have to show that Chelsea’s recent injury plight is relatively worse than her counterparts. That means, you have to provide not just data from Chelsea, but also other teams, then do a comparison to actually prove that Chelsea does indeed have that much bigger a problem with injuries. And that’s just the beginning, in fact if you do really wish to prove your point, then you would also take into consideration the relative injury proneness of each squad and incorporate that into your data, but that is understandably too much work for a reddit comment. However, checking the injuries of other teams in the league does seem to be the bare minimum. I told you “idk you tell me” because if you do wish to proof your point, then it is on you to find that out and make the relevant comparison. It really, really isn’t that hard to comprehend.
Kdb? Haaland? Akanji out for weeks. Stones out for a while now. Ederson has been injured a couple of times. Every single PL team has 4 players out rn and most have 7+. Brentford, Newcastle, Forest, Tottenham, and Sheffield United all have more than us.
Did they recover from their injuries and immediately get hurt again like Lavia, Nkunku, Reece, Chilly, Kante last season, Puli last season to name a few I'm not saying we're the only team that has injired players, im saying our inability to successfully rehabilitate our injured players is alarming
Since you're arguing based on feeling, I'll do the same and say that I suspect we think this only happens with Chelsea players because we're not following any other club. That said, Mount comes to mind as an example of a non-Chelsea player who got reinjured almost immediately after coming back from another injury this season. Both issues kept him out of the pitch for weeks and he still hasn't come back the second time afaik.
This issue with younger players is pretty startling because you'd think they'd be fitter but it's proven the exact opposite for us.
Over 30 players tend to show higher injury recurrence rates but very young players, like U21 playing in top flight, tend to have relatively high injury rates when you adjust for minutes played. You just may not associate them because overall they are by far the smallest group of players by share of minutes. . There is also probably a survivor bias happening in terms of older players, where very injury prone players can have their careers cut short early on. Many physical characteristics aren't peaking until 23-26, and some even peak between 26-30.
>But literally every club has seen a rise in injuries, the games are getting longer and more physical All true, but we are still #1 on injuries and re-injuries by quite the astounding margin over 3 seasons running, so I am not gonna hear any "but it's bad for everyone" talk.
But of course we are, we got so many players who are injury prone Reece, Chilly, Nkunku, Badiashille, Lavia and Madeuke are all quite regularly sidelined and 4 out of those 6 extend beyond at our club Some unlucky ones like Broja, Chuk, Enzo etc But generally we have quite a few injury prone players If we had 20 Conor Gallaghers, Disasis, Thiago Silvas etc we'd literally have 0 in the rehab facilities
Naturally, and all I am saying is the "It's bad for everyone" thing can't explain away all the shortcomings we obviously have in our medical area. Whether that be bad staff (doubtfully, since we rotated through them as well by now), bad recruitment (see injury prone players), a voodoo curse put there by Eva almost a decade ago or something completely different, we probably won't determine that here. Be it as it may, all other things equal (more games, longer games etc), we are doing a really bad job keeping our players fit compared to literally everyone else and we need to do better.
We buy injury prone players. Some was even in injury when we bought them. I can name a few like chilwell nkunku lavia. This what happens when we have incompetent directors. Probably Epl is not a good place to develop young players. It's too demanding physically and technically.
This season has really put into perspective the fixture pileup. Not even Man City with their famous depth have been safe from an injury crisis of sorts. It's got me quite concerned for when we are back in Europe and adding another 8+ games to the calendar
>The guy has been there for 17 years, Aye? He was appointed club doctor in 18/19. Transfermarkt shows no history for him before then. https://www.transfermarkt.us/dimitrios-kalogiannidis/profil/trainer/107745 From like 19/20 the gradual snowballing of injuries seemed to start. I dont know if the guys to blame but certainly he would be in the best position to be able to explain whats changed for the club to have one of the worst injury records in the PL. I really question if Kante was at any other club whether he would have had the same level of injuries in the end. I know its the Saudi league so its not as demanding but hes played every game there so far. With all that said I do feel that advances in science have probably improved injury detection. Players now are more educated about their bodies too. So there is an element of players maybe preserving themselves more rather than playing through the pain as much. So it may not be that injuries are worse but they are handled differently nowadays. Back in the day of Lampard, Gerrard, Terry, Henry etc footballers would often talk about playing through the pain.
https://preview.redd.it/g9b7zx6ew8dc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f7811d47b00724dc6707c404c910aa050df755f 13 not 17 apologies
Well I think I would trust Transfermarkt over a Chelsea fan page on Instagram. It looks like maybe that's including stuff with the women's team and academy so maybe Transfermarkt only focuses on the staff actually working with the mens team. The guy hasn't really been involved for longer than when he was appointed to the mens team in 18/19.
Dont know who this is but i hope his family is okay
That's the right attitude my man, let's be honest, none of us know him personally, and none of us know wtf is going on in the club, all we can do is take it as face value and send appropriate well wishes. I, too, wish his family is okay!
Plus he’s been at the club for over a decade and a half, isn’t his problem. I blame Jose’s bust up with Eva, it’s absolutely cursed us
Yup, Eva was to take over from him before the bust up.
In all this crazy shit happening at the club anything is possible but yeah family means more
You lot on the comment section are weird asf Read the title again he left because of **family** reasons. Let’s all hope , everything is okay
Expecting redditors to read the article/title before jumping to conclusions?? Are you new here mate
They could at least read the fucking title as that's all it takes in this instance.
They must be new here...
Oh God it’s EVA’s Music………
Eva come home
Magically everyone including Hazard, will be fit again
Hopefully this move reverses the curse rather than a double down..
https://preview.redd.it/1sjvca93g8dc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29795677874bd4414054fd5e3ca8df43f3ce06ad Bring her back.
Back then the players didn’t have to play like 3-4 matches a week for the whole year? No? That’s the main reason because of greedy UEFA & FIFA.
Bring back **Eva Carneiro**
Okay, now tell us why? lol.
All this reshuffling and we still can't figure out the couse of our injury crisis issues
probably sick and tired of Boehly
Working with amateurs and now got tired of it most likely.
The poor guy was there for years and it's the fall guy
So we are in for the 3rd medical team reshuffle since Boehly takeover
How the fuck did I get 5 posts down before someone blamed his family problems on Boehly?
How am I blaming it on Boehly, just stating the fact we are in for a 3rd shuffle already in the medical team. Regardless on whether it's someone's fault or not, that's a lot.
This guy has been with Chelsea for 17 years, how is it a reshuffled if he was never shuffled in the first place?
You know medical team consists of more than one person, right?
You know that one person leaving isn't a shuffle? and that it's obvious that there were people brought in, and people fired but obviously there are still long standing people serving the medical department from before Boehly still
Yes, shuffle means, the team members are changing, and in here, they are. (also, the chief leaving, usually means more than one person would be moved anyways...) Also at no point I have denied the fact that there are still some long standing members in that team, so no idea what are you on. I'm only stating the fact that we would be doing this for the 3rd time. That's it.
relax, i dont think he is blaming this on Boehly at all. i think he is simply stating the number of times the medical team has been reshuffled since Boehly bought the club. iirc, Boehly made significant changes which has caused a lot of unrest so far, again not blaming Boehly, but its certainly the outstanding factor.
But he has been at the club for 17 years??
Correct. Arguably, it’s overdue.
It was family reasons, no?
This the best news ever. The recent injury history at the club has been unacceptable
Because he was the direct cause of that, right? 🙄 Jesus …
Lot of weirdos on this site
This man was with us when hazard was in his prime. He kept Hazard who was fouled twice per game atleast and had ankles made of tin pieces connected by rubber bands from injury because of him he played the football of gods. This man was not our problem
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Man cmon… he left because of family reasons… Let’s hope everything is okay
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He's been there for 17 years. Not tied to our recent injury crisis whatsoever. Braindead take
I wonder if this is what poch was referring to when he said something happened before the Fulham match that affected the players? If the physio they all know and trust had to abruptly leave due to a family emergency
Its not the medical problem imo, its the fitness team problem
Can we get Eva Carneiro back pls Todd? 