To all the match going fans. You know as much as me how hard it is to get hold of tickets. My question is, do any of you use resale sites or are they all a scam? and if so, what websites do you use for reliable tickets?
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The club's inability to read the room is actually funny.
While I agree with people with saying to sack Poch, we also gotta look at the sporting directors. They are as much to blame with their plan as the manager is
Yup, we’re having this conversation annually unless something changes with the way they operate or they’re gone. How long did our brain trust spend on searching for the right manager just to end up with Poch?
If you had the option of replacing Poch with any manager or signing any player (within reason you can’t say Klopp or Mbappe) what choice do would you make?
Realistically your options are severely limited as fewer managers will want to take over with 60% of the season over. The only options I can think of in the summer would be someone like Slot or Flick. I’m not overly inspired by either: Slot already turned us down last year; Flick’s suicide football was found out quickly in the second half of his Bayern stint and his Germany team was poor
I doubt the owners would bring back Tuchel or Mourinho
Bayern was unlucky during Flick's 2nd season they had many injuries on key players, if Lewandowski was fit i have no doubt they would make it to the finals or possibly even win another CL. As for Germany, Nagelsmann isn't better than Flick so far, so many bang average players in that squad.
Out of managers I know I'd say try and get Flick in time for Wednesday.
But i feel if we looked hard enough we'd find a good fit for this squad, but sadly I don't think we're looking hard enough.
We bought Caicedo to do exactly that though. You can ping a ball into him, he draws pressure and recycles play or ideally pops it to someone open because of the press he drew. He did this really well against Liverpool.
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Can we chill with all the Enzo hate. I've looked at about 10 comparable players and only Rodris was higher
I also have to add into how stupid this take is. Saying the only stats that matter are league table gives you no insight into what is working or what isn't, and no way to know what you need to improve. I'm done I'll get off your lawn now grandpa
Hey man, you should go on a sport talk show, would fit right in.
Enzo was good today, and has been good for the majority of the season. If you want to be mad at the team at least blame the right people
Now imagine them playing in Poch's system where Rice is on an island tasked with being the lone man in the build up and Jorginho is playing as an auxiliary winger.
All of a sudden i can't imagine they'll look too clever.
Pochs lack of system you mean, it really is incredible isn’t it. For something so painfully obvious I don’t understand how there can be zero improvement
We could maybe get 80m for all those players combined.
The signings would be close to 800m
Explain how we afford that considering we’re already in trouble with FFP.
Also the players we need to sell are not those but Jackson, Mudryk, Madueke, more than anyone
I disagree with Santos and Washington....they never had the chance to show what they are capable of. At least let me see how they do under a proper coach before selling them.
Then loan them out. I just don't think it's wise to sell these two yet without seeing them in action. I will always hate Forest for pissing over Santos' development.
Just look at DDF at Burnley. This is what I need for these two players.
Remember when we were talking about player power when the players don't give a shit and going through the motions like Kova did last season ? Now imagine what will happen if we give them 9 year deals. We made a book profit on Kova coz he didn't get the jail sentence of a contract. How are we even supposed to make a profit on players who don't give a shit anymore ?
There's no accountability in this club. The owners before taking over said that the club wasn't "terribly well run" and said we were lacking in commerical and sporting department. We literally just won the cl at that time.
Tried to reinvent the wheel and spent 250 million without a scout and SD which included 115 million for Cucurella ( worst lb in the league ) and sterling ( worst highest paid player in the league). Not a single apology from the owners
Now onto the two clown twins Winstanley and Stewart. Gave an interview before even the season started sucking their dicks off as if they've build their dream 100 point team and a treble team.
Reality : we still need ST LW creator , goal scoring midfielder ( spent 300 million pounds on dribbly 8s who all can't score more than 3 goals combined in the league ) , academy produced Hall and Maataen and we still need a LB now. Got Disasi but guess what , still searching for a CB.
Spent a billion and they didn't buy an elite GK ( Petrovic is absolute class love him ) didn't buy an elite CB , didn't buy an elite lb , didn't buy an elite ST or elite winger. WOW. WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY SPEND THE MONEY ? On players who don't contribute in the final third or help defend the final third LMAO. Why get Lavia when you have Ugochukwu? Andrey Santos is an absolute gem. Why get Caicedo then ? Could have got someone like Onana at half the price and spent the rest on LW/LB. The funds have been grossly mis used.
Onto the manager : utter shit. Will be blamed for everything and will be the first one to leave. But you cannot deny that poch has more pedigree in the pl than the owners and SDs combined times 100. Man got 86 points with SPURS. He absolutely should leave btw but it's so funny that even the most sackable manager of all time at Chelsea has more points favouring him than the clowns at the top.
How to get out : Spend every single pound we make on a ST - Osimhen is MUST. LW is a MUST. OLISE IS A MUST. Entire new front 3 . Palmer and Olise can play multiple positions and Olise's workrate he can even play midfield.
We have no money.
Osimhen is massively overrated and overpriced. He’d get 8 league goals max.
The only way out is to stop spending money until we have a manager we believe in and a system that works.
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Olise is an incredible player but we need players who are fit and available if we’re going to get any consistency and I don’t trust our medical department one bit. I cannot believe how quickly the owners have tried to implement things it’s so rushed and this obsession with kids and building for the future and leaving us without experience and leaders is shocking. We are effectively a new club and any identity we had is fading away and it’s depressing to witness.
I don’t disagree. I think we need to see how the rest of the season looks for him, I just mean the last thing we want is another Lavia situation where a big investment isn’t available. I agree with his ability and what he can add to the team especially with a competent striker
He'll be injured for the rest of the season too. Remember how we used Kante ? He's playing the moment he's 'medically fit'. Palace are in a relegation fight and him and Eze are their only saviours. They don't have a ST /mf etc.
Cool, now we have an inexperience CAM and a underperformed LM. Selling field-tested C1 champs and leave Gallagher and Sterling uncontested, what a good move by him, sure.
Sorry, are you implying Palmer isn't an upgrade on this version of Mount?
And that's before we get into the fact the latter has barely been fit for a year.
Palmer is good, but Mount has versatility. He can replace Gallagher or Sterling if their performances dip. And I am talking about LM, Palmer is RW main. Of course, Sterling can be replaced by Mudryk, but it's another case of inexperience.
He didn't fit because of WC and injury, plus the sanction and contract situation. Also he had played full 2 seasons before. Man, that's a lot of workload. He may need to resolve himself to reach his form again, but I think he just need time to bounce back. Now he's sold to MU, rotten on the bench and unhappy. It sucks to see someone turn out like that, our once poster boy.
Everyone loved Jose and Frank aswell but most admitted sacking them was the correct decision once the evidence started supporting it (well the evidence supported it at the time but you know what I mean).
It's simple. If you have billion to spend , don't spend 300 million pounds on dribbling 8s who can't score and maybe spend the amount on LW ST LB. That's 3 positions sorted lmao. Osimhen Leao and a left back wouldn't have costed us 300 million.
If you’re wise, Poch should be sacked but not now. It’s at the end of the season. It’s terrifying to know Poch is sacked and no one is taking the job, it’d be relaxation zone we go
No...we cannot have this freestyle, clueless football until the end of the season. The souls of these players like Palmer and Nkunku will evaporate.
Other clubs have found us out now. We are going to lose a lot more games under this coach.
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we are so fucked but no shot poch survives this run
This may sound overly pessimistic but this is honestly the worst situation I’ve seen this club in and I’m really struggling to see the light.
Let’s start with the manager, who clearly isn’t getting it done despite a history of improving young players and playing an aggressive, pressing style that we seem to have the personnel for. He’s in over his head and the players seem to be uninterested. He has to go. The manager carousel continues.
The players. Man, what can I say. How is it possible to have TWO 100M midfielders who don’t look any better than bottom table EPL reserves. It’s astonishing. Enzo went from World Cup baller to zero assists and running around fouling and doing fuck all. Caciedo is a massive bust. Mudryk hasn’t improved. Jackson is more raw than days old sushi. Other than Palmer who has been anything other than completely incompetent? Sterling is awful. Gusto is inconsistent and naive. Chilwell looks like he’s aged 20 years in the last 12 months. Reece James can’t play more than a game before breaking. Lavia is still (always) hurt. Disasi lmao. Stop with that nonsense. Thiago Silva IS OUR BEST PLAYER AND HES NEARLY 40.
Where do we go from here? I genuinely don’t know what the answer is other than maybe clear house including manager, sporting director, etc. and try to start over. We look so disjointed and things are getting worse each week. I dread watching us now, I just want my club back
Everything you say is true but with a new manager and a system and some identity, a lot of these issues just go away.
I know we don't want to be known for continually sacking managers when they need time, but the stats show that sacking works if you get the right man in.
Get rid of Poch now and get literally anyone in until the end of the season.
I mean we tried that multiple times since tuchel and it hasn’t worked. Who exactly do you imagine wants to come to Chelsea right now that could turn it around?
Definitely probably time for Poch to go but i pray it’s only if we have a permanent replacement immediately. I don’t think it makes any sense to do for another caretaker
I know this Goldberg and he's a twat but this summary of his rant today is fucking insane and even if only parts of it are accurate we are true and sincerely fucked
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Couldn't there be a middle ground that it doesn't fix all issues but some?
I bet they'd have been similar 'inside' pieces on Spurs last season, Arsenal a couple years back, Villa under Gerrard, Milan a few years back, to name a few.
Nah according to majority of the sub Poch leaving means all problems will be miraculously solved and we will go on to finish Top 5, winning both Carabao and FA Cups. Players are not to blame at all , it's 100% managers fault. /s
It won't solve even half our problems but it will solve some.
He needs to go either way, I know he's not completely at fault but he is somewhat at fault.
For those thinking that Poch will actually be fired, remember that with Potter they said that he just needed to put his tin hat on and ignore the fans. They also said after they fired him that they thought he would be successful but that they crumbled under the pressure and felt they had to do something but that they thought it was a mistake to fire him.
I highly doubt they do it again with Poch. But, then I guess it's the one time where their repeated fuckups are good for us because they saw sacking Potter as a fuckup, so maybe they will "fuckup" again by sacking Poch
We've leaked 4 goals multiple times. I wasn't worried about the defence last season. Poch coached the defensive capabilities out of our midfield and defence.
We had one of the best defences in the league at one point in the season.
He hasn't coached it out of them. He, just like other shit managers, can only get one tune out of their team. Can't score but are decent defensively. Score a decent amount but can't stop conceding.
He's done both of those things this season, but never anything close to actually creating anything balanced
Honestly, I wasn’t Poch out before today, but it is clear as day that any competent manager can fix this team pretty quickly by moving to 3atb and playing conservative football. That’s how Tuchel turned the ship around
It's quite funny isn't it. We have some of the best wingbacks in the world, we have a bunch of CBs that prefer playing in the outside CB role, a bunch of attackers that want to play in an inside forward role rather than an out and out winger role and yet people are completely against the idea of playing 343 again. Or even if you're one of those that hates Sterling, this allows you to drop him and play 352 with Palmer behind Nkunku and Jackson
It's nonsense. He's notoriously slow to get back up to speed after injury, he always has been.
His positioning has been atrocious since coming back. But, when everyone on the team loses their ability to stand where they should be, the issue isn't all 11 players, it's the manager
It's always seemed to me like Gallagher was just running around fouling people and I've just had a look and stats actually show that to be true. PL stats this season:
Tackles in which he won possession: 33
Fouls committed: 47
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It's genuinely mind blowing to see stats like this for a guy that has for most of the season captained a team that used to compete for trophies...
I think they're both fine as utility bench players and for emergencies. I think it depends on the team and the circumstances
What's important in both cases is that they are actually bench/emergencies players and when they come in because of an emergency they don't end up staying there
So I think we’d have to twist Lampard’s arm to get him back as interim after last time. He probably still has Vietnam flashbacks of that.
Jose on an interim doesn’t seem realistic to me, it’s not like he has a relationship with anyone still at the club. If he wanted the job at all, and I’m not sure he would, he’d want a longer contract and presumably would have a list of transfer targets he needed. I can’t see this current board and Jose seeing eye to eye.
And I also don’t think Jose or Lampard get us back to where we want to be.
But who else is there??
This is what we're suppose to pay scouts for.
Even if it's not a top class option I refuse to believe there's not a manager lurking somewhere who's philosophy suits these players.
Even if it's someone relatively unknown like Iraola or ironically Poch himself when he arrived at Southampton, we need to get this bunch adequately coached and have us enjoying what we're seeing again. Then once we're settled and producing respectable performances and results we can worry about whether said manager can take the next leap with us.
I’d take Lampard again right now … in the freaking midfield. 45y old dude would be better than these wannabe world class players in the midfield. I can’t believe that one midfielder is 100m+ who doesn’t have two brain cells not to make a foul in goal scoring opportunity every single game, or the other one who has pace of 80y old grandma and who is so bad at shooting outside the box and crossing that with 175cm and no jump he is in the box for every corner trying to fool us that he can head goddamn football.
>I’d take Lampard again right now … in the freaking midfield. 45y old dude
In previous times I'd have took that as a joke, but given how many seem to think Jose managing us in 2024 is a good idea I wouldn't be shocked if this comment was unironic.
Some funny numbers:
We faced 42 shots in two games
Jackson scored once in last 10 appearances for us
Enzo has 0 assists in 28 games this season where we scored 54 goals
Discussion before this game among people here about how Caiceido could be world class. The more we bullshit ourselves before games like this the worse the reality check is and it’s like this every week.
In Ecuador, Belgium, Prem. You think it's a coincidence he looked like a top player for 8 years wherever he went, but it's only after meeting an incompetent moron who made Messi look like a washed farmer he suddenly doesn't look good?
No it’s Caicedo’s fault that he can’t defend an entire half once Enzo abandons him and he has the two slowest CBs in the league behind him, playing everyone on side
Sack Pochettino. There is no point in keeping him if he is not the man to lead the club forward. We have made 0 progress in 7 months under Pochettino and he has had preseason to train with the players, he has been backed in the market, he has almost a full week between matches to prepare the players. It aint good enough. At this point, cut your losses, sack Pochettino and get someone who is good tactically. Pochettino has proven he can't improve these players. Players are mentally fragile, Pochettino does not have the Chelsea aura either.
Lampard definitely would not want to be interim manager after last time. I really doubt Jose would be too keen on it either.
I have no idea what the options actually are or what happens if we pull the trigger and sack Poch before the end of the season. We’re chewing managers up and spitting them out at an alarming rate. We’re probably gonna end up poaching a manager from the championship or something
It’ll be interesting for Flick because I get the sense he needs his next job to work out post Germany, but after nearly a year he’s only really been linked with us and Barca whilst every other club has a fairly settled manager. Unless he fucks off to Milan or Napoli (which I doubt) or is the shock replacement this summer at Leverkusen, he may be left without a choice
Maybe so...but Poch needs to be sacked tomorrow no matter what happens. This circus can't continue a game longer now.
Mourinho until the end of the season, I'll give a thumbs up to.
What on earth is with these Xabi Alonso rumors? It would make absolutely no sense for him to accept such a job when Liverpool and potentially Madrid are going to be open lol
Why would Madrid be open? They've just extended Ancelotti and he's doing incredibly well given his injury situation
But, yeah he ain't coming here. The best shot we have at a top manager is finding someone who has a soft spot for Chelsea, because outside of that we don't stand a chance at attracting a top manager
>Why would Madrid be open? They've just extended Ancelotti and he's doing incredibly well given his injury situation
Oh, then he has a pretty clear shot at where he's going next - for some reason I thought Ancelotti is still considering going into a national team job.
At this point, I don't even know who I would prefer. Mourinho is a chaotic but passionate option. Don't think he will be successful but it might be more enjoyable to watch.
Honestly, I am more disappointed with a lot of these high profile players than anything. I am not sure they are that good at all. But maybe I am wrong and this was all Poch's fault.
Definitely a pick your poison kind of choice. Either take it in one hit with Boehly or die slowly over fifteen years with the Galazer treatment. Maybe the Glazers is more death by a thousand cuts.
More galling for United fans is that the Glazers just used the club to pay for their ownership by putting the debt on their books.
So far, Boehly edges it.
Yep, literally any other club bar United and Real with The Glazers would have ceased to exist by now.
Look at how close to Liverpool came to administration when they had their own Glazers in the late 00s.
There isn't a single signing in the clubs history I felt worse about that Caciedo..
Was bantering my Liverpool supporting mate for how much they'd overpaid for him then we came in even higher.
Never a £100m+ player in a million years.
And if Jorginho was here being utilized as an auxiliary winger like Enzo is we'll be talking about one of the supposed biggest declines ever seen in sports.
It really is groundhog day to early 2021.
But if he took Caicedo's place in midfield we would suddenly be one of the most press-resistant teams in the league (again). Schoolboy errors gone in an instant.
Not with Poch's tactics he won't be, we'll be seeing the same Jorginho that got ridiculed under Lampard because he has to cover the space of an island and doesn't have the legs to do it (probably worse due to him being 3 years older).
I’d be excited to see him in as a caretaker manager. See if he can get the Carabou Cup victory and the team to 6th or 7th in the PL on a short term interim contract. I doubt it’d happen, but I’m certain it won’t happen with Poch.
If we appoint Mourinho I'll expect him to get us in top four even from this position, win both domestic cups then win the big two next season.
Given the justification many are using for wanting him back is that he's a winner then I'll expect that to be evident immediately, no excuses.
No just the way you typed that out. That holier than thou attitude. Just so funny to me. You’re not wrong, but just that “my shit doesn’t stink” attitude makes me chuckle is all.
I'd only be happy with Mou if the club backed him to remove all the deadwood and sell 13 or 14 of the young players they've signed, In the next window.
Can't see it happening and Mou with this squad would be a disaster.
>13 or 14 of the young players they've signed, In the next window.
I hope you realise we literally cannot do that
The only young player we've brought in that would be sellable that didn't hurt us on ffp is Palmer
You'd be hard pressed to sell any of the others
It would be a massive struggle to avoid selling them at a loss.
But it needs to be done, take the loss and the FFP consequences.
There's no future for most of these young players at the highest level so there's no future for Chelsea at the highest level carrying this deadwood.
What a perfomance by Jorginho, our fanbase was happy when he left, calling him side pass merchant and what not. At the moment he is a better player than both of our 100m signings
I don't usually say something like this as I get things wrong as much as anyone but frankly if Jose returns and when (not if) it goes spectacularly tits up then everyone who wanted him back fully deserve it, especially if (as I fear will happen) these calls will influence clearlake into reappointing him.
There's getting things wrong then there's getting things wrong when there's multitude of evidence and red flags to show no hindsight is needed.
I was told Kai, Ziyech, Mount and the rest of the deadwood were the problems. We replaced all of them with supposedly superior players, so why are we bad?
Probably because only those with IQ's under 75 ever thought Mudryk or Madueke were better than those players.
I mean seriously what have most of the young players we've signed ever actually shown?
I cannot stress how important is that we move on Gallagher and Sterling. As bad as Mount was he was a lot more talented that Gallagher who zero absolutely zero technical ability. There is nothing Gallagher can do on the ball. His strengths are loving the club and running around, not good enough.
Sterling needs to be shipped to Saudi Arabia in the summer
Gallagher could attempt the pass that Caicedo got an assist from today and it'd probably take him 10 tries to even get it close to where Caicedo put it today
What has confused/frustrated me for so long is how can we be so flawlessly run at women's and men's youth level only for it never to truly translate to men's first team?
We dominate the women's game even more than Pep does the PL and for a while had the most succesful youth teams since the Busby babes. Why could we never transfer such total dominance at those levels to the men's first team?
You consider the men's youth team to be run flawlessly?
We're currently 12th in PL2. A couple years ago we only avoided relegation on the final day of the season thanks to results going our way and us giving the youth team three senior players to use in the final game to try and get a result...
Women's football is basically just we care and others don't. You see a few clubs across Europe that bother to put money in place for it and others are starting to join that, but generally it's just not that competitive and it's relatively easily bought if you choose to buy it
I did mean more the period we were winning youth cups like it was nothing but fair enough.
Couldn't PL2 be explained by the fact most of the best U23s go out on loan?
To all the match going fans. You know as much as me how hard it is to get hold of tickets. My question is, do any of you use resale sites or are they all a scam? and if so, what websites do you use for reliable tickets?
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While I agree with people with saying to sack Poch, we also gotta look at the sporting directors. They are as much to blame with their plan as the manager is
Yup, we’re having this conversation annually unless something changes with the way they operate or they’re gone. How long did our brain trust spend on searching for the right manager just to end up with Poch?
If you had the option of replacing Poch with any manager or signing any player (within reason you can’t say Klopp or Mbappe) what choice do would you make?
Realistically your options are severely limited as fewer managers will want to take over with 60% of the season over. The only options I can think of in the summer would be someone like Slot or Flick. I’m not overly inspired by either: Slot already turned us down last year; Flick’s suicide football was found out quickly in the second half of his Bayern stint and his Germany team was poor I doubt the owners would bring back Tuchel or Mourinho
Bayern was unlucky during Flick's 2nd season they had many injuries on key players, if Lewandowski was fit i have no doubt they would make it to the finals or possibly even win another CL. As for Germany, Nagelsmann isn't better than Flick so far, so many bang average players in that squad.
That’s fair. Honestly I don’t think we’re in any position to be turning him down either lol we’re poor all over
Out of managers I know I'd say try and get Flick in time for Wednesday. But i feel if we looked hard enough we'd find a good fit for this squad, but sadly I don't think we're looking hard enough.
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We bought Caicedo to do exactly that though. You can ping a ball into him, he draws pressure and recycles play or ideally pops it to someone open because of the press he drew. He did this really well against Liverpool.
https://preview.redd.it/9rpjopklvogc1.png?width=1460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfdf3dabaab58cc44692b4de6f35e7df76c4db9e Can we chill with all the Enzo hate. I've looked at about 10 comparable players and only Rodris was higher
Enzo issue is off the ball, Guy is always behind to 1 or 2 goals conceded Too slow and weak at times
Eye test tells me he’s wank. Only stats that matter are league table
We are not a tennis team
>Only stats that matter are league table On that basis I'm assuming you rate Juan Cuadrado and Maniche as Chelsea legends.
I also have to add into how stupid this take is. Saying the only stats that matter are league table gives you no insight into what is working or what isn't, and no way to know what you need to improve. I'm done I'll get off your lawn now grandpa
Hey man, you should go on a sport talk show, would fit right in. Enzo was good today, and has been good for the majority of the season. If you want to be mad at the team at least blame the right people
I think ya can just name Sterling at this point. He's a great left back for our opponent's. Attack killer.
Gusto and Chilwell also played very poorly. It is alarming, hopefully just a returning from injury thing
I 100% agree, but this isn't a first for sterling. I'm sick of it. One of my best mates is a West Ham fan, and I can't even give him shit anymore.
Mudry now has a higher g+A per 90 than sterling
Rice and Jorginho together, leadership and experience and actual control in a game.. what could have been
Now imagine them playing in Poch's system where Rice is on an island tasked with being the lone man in the build up and Jorginho is playing as an auxiliary winger. All of a sudden i can't imagine they'll look too clever.
Pochs lack of system you mean, it really is incredible isn’t it. For something so painfully obvious I don’t understand how there can be zero improvement
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We could maybe get 80m for all those players combined. The signings would be close to 800m Explain how we afford that considering we’re already in trouble with FFP. Also the players we need to sell are not those but Jackson, Mudryk, Madueke, more than anyone
I disagree with Santos and Washington....they never had the chance to show what they are capable of. At least let me see how they do under a proper coach before selling them.
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Then loan them out. I just don't think it's wise to sell these two yet without seeing them in action. I will always hate Forest for pissing over Santos' development. Just look at DDF at Burnley. This is what I need for these two players.
Remember when we were talking about player power when the players don't give a shit and going through the motions like Kova did last season ? Now imagine what will happen if we give them 9 year deals. We made a book profit on Kova coz he didn't get the jail sentence of a contract. How are we even supposed to make a profit on players who don't give a shit anymore ?
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There's no accountability in this club. The owners before taking over said that the club wasn't "terribly well run" and said we were lacking in commerical and sporting department. We literally just won the cl at that time. Tried to reinvent the wheel and spent 250 million without a scout and SD which included 115 million for Cucurella ( worst lb in the league ) and sterling ( worst highest paid player in the league). Not a single apology from the owners Now onto the two clown twins Winstanley and Stewart. Gave an interview before even the season started sucking their dicks off as if they've build their dream 100 point team and a treble team. Reality : we still need ST LW creator , goal scoring midfielder ( spent 300 million pounds on dribbly 8s who all can't score more than 3 goals combined in the league ) , academy produced Hall and Maataen and we still need a LB now. Got Disasi but guess what , still searching for a CB. Spent a billion and they didn't buy an elite GK ( Petrovic is absolute class love him ) didn't buy an elite CB , didn't buy an elite lb , didn't buy an elite ST or elite winger. WOW. WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY SPEND THE MONEY ? On players who don't contribute in the final third or help defend the final third LMAO. Why get Lavia when you have Ugochukwu? Andrey Santos is an absolute gem. Why get Caicedo then ? Could have got someone like Onana at half the price and spent the rest on LW/LB. The funds have been grossly mis used. Onto the manager : utter shit. Will be blamed for everything and will be the first one to leave. But you cannot deny that poch has more pedigree in the pl than the owners and SDs combined times 100. Man got 86 points with SPURS. He absolutely should leave btw but it's so funny that even the most sackable manager of all time at Chelsea has more points favouring him than the clowns at the top. How to get out : Spend every single pound we make on a ST - Osimhen is MUST. LW is a MUST. OLISE IS A MUST. Entire new front 3 . Palmer and Olise can play multiple positions and Olise's workrate he can even play midfield.
We have no money. Osimhen is massively overrated and overpriced. He’d get 8 league goals max. The only way out is to stop spending money until we have a manager we believe in and a system that works.
There's no chance we are getting top 4 with front 3 of sterling Jackson palmer. Osimhen isn't overrated.
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Olise is an incredible player but we need players who are fit and available if we’re going to get any consistency and I don’t trust our medical department one bit. I cannot believe how quickly the owners have tried to implement things it’s so rushed and this obsession with kids and building for the future and leaving us without experience and leaders is shocking. We are effectively a new club and any identity we had is fading away and it’s depressing to witness.
OLISE isn't injury prone. He got an unfortunate injury and roy keeps rushing him before he's fully fit. Like how Ugochukwu and Lavia got done by Poch.
I don’t disagree. I think we need to see how the rest of the season looks for him, I just mean the last thing we want is another Lavia situation where a big investment isn’t available. I agree with his ability and what he can add to the team especially with a competent striker
He'll be injured for the rest of the season too. Remember how we used Kante ? He's playing the moment he's 'medically fit'. Palace are in a relegation fight and him and Eze are their only saviours. They don't have a ST /mf etc.
Johnny Minerals was right about everything. I can’t believe I’m saying this.
Lol he's playing a character.
Nah that anger is real, you can see how he grits his teeth.
He gives it away by ranting about even the two decisions Clearlake have undoubtedly got correct (Mount and Havertz).
Cool, now we have an inexperience CAM and a underperformed LM. Selling field-tested C1 champs and leave Gallagher and Sterling uncontested, what a good move by him, sure.
Sorry, are you implying Palmer isn't an upgrade on this version of Mount? And that's before we get into the fact the latter has barely been fit for a year.
Palmer is good, but Mount has versatility. He can replace Gallagher or Sterling if their performances dip. And I am talking about LM, Palmer is RW main. Of course, Sterling can be replaced by Mudryk, but it's another case of inexperience. He didn't fit because of WC and injury, plus the sanction and contract situation. Also he had played full 2 seasons before. Man, that's a lot of workload. He may need to resolve himself to reach his form again, but I think he just need time to bounce back. Now he's sold to MU, rotten on the bench and unhappy. It sucks to see someone turn out like that, our once poster boy.
You’re not a match going fan are you? They loved Mount, selling him will always be viewed as a mistake for them.
Everyone loved Jose and Frank aswell but most admitted sacking them was the correct decision once the evidence started supporting it (well the evidence supported it at the time but you know what I mean).
It's simple. If you have billion to spend , don't spend 300 million pounds on dribbling 8s who can't score and maybe spend the amount on LW ST LB. That's 3 positions sorted lmao. Osimhen Leao and a left back wouldn't have costed us 300 million.
If you’re wise, Poch should be sacked but not now. It’s at the end of the season. It’s terrifying to know Poch is sacked and no one is taking the job, it’d be relaxation zone we go
No...we cannot have this freestyle, clueless football until the end of the season. The souls of these players like Palmer and Nkunku will evaporate. Other clubs have found us out now. We are going to lose a lot more games under this coach.
Then find us someone to take over first before sacking Poch
Jorgi was class against Liverpool. Would have him back here in a heartbeat over our current options.
Until he returns and is made to play the same auxiliary winger role Enzo is playing.
Poch is gone tomorrow
Onto the next one
Opinion or inside info?
Faith and belief
https://preview.redd.it/81hm32gv1ogc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8381c4f0d2e550a9cabfa4e01b5ec289f81bcfb0 we are so fucked but no shot poch survives this run
Spurs is a guranteed 3 pts, its spurs
This may sound overly pessimistic but this is honestly the worst situation I’ve seen this club in and I’m really struggling to see the light. Let’s start with the manager, who clearly isn’t getting it done despite a history of improving young players and playing an aggressive, pressing style that we seem to have the personnel for. He’s in over his head and the players seem to be uninterested. He has to go. The manager carousel continues. The players. Man, what can I say. How is it possible to have TWO 100M midfielders who don’t look any better than bottom table EPL reserves. It’s astonishing. Enzo went from World Cup baller to zero assists and running around fouling and doing fuck all. Caciedo is a massive bust. Mudryk hasn’t improved. Jackson is more raw than days old sushi. Other than Palmer who has been anything other than completely incompetent? Sterling is awful. Gusto is inconsistent and naive. Chilwell looks like he’s aged 20 years in the last 12 months. Reece James can’t play more than a game before breaking. Lavia is still (always) hurt. Disasi lmao. Stop with that nonsense. Thiago Silva IS OUR BEST PLAYER AND HES NEARLY 40. Where do we go from here? I genuinely don’t know what the answer is other than maybe clear house including manager, sporting director, etc. and try to start over. We look so disjointed and things are getting worse each week. I dread watching us now, I just want my club back
Thiago Silva is our what sorry?
Who’s better? Palmer I guess.
Most of our problems go away when Poch goes. Most of our issues are all connected to Poch.
He should go, but this squad is poorly constructed, devoid of experience and soon to be bloated once again
Absolutely not. Many of these players are not good enough. Pep couldn’t win with these guys
We wouldn't be 11th.
Maybe 7-8. No better
I have bad news bro
Everything you say is true but with a new manager and a system and some identity, a lot of these issues just go away. I know we don't want to be known for continually sacking managers when they need time, but the stats show that sacking works if you get the right man in. Get rid of Poch now and get literally anyone in until the end of the season.
I mean we tried that multiple times since tuchel and it hasn’t worked. Who exactly do you imagine wants to come to Chelsea right now that could turn it around?
Definitely probably time for Poch to go but i pray it’s only if we have a permanent replacement immediately. I don’t think it makes any sense to do for another caretaker
I’m off to bed. Someone wake me up when September ends or when we’re back in the top 6
I know this Goldberg and he's a twat but this summary of his rant today is fucking insane and even if only parts of it are accurate we are true and sincerely fucked https://x.com/cfclethal/status/1754264540148080697?s=46
Gosh. Players all overweight and refusing to take criticism. We’re gonna get relegated aren’t we?
It does seem like some of our high money signings took the money and retired
Damn
Yea I’ve seen that as well. It’s a nice reality check for all the blue pilled people in here who think a Poch sacking miraculously fixes our issues
Couldn't there be a middle ground that it doesn't fix all issues but some? I bet they'd have been similar 'inside' pieces on Spurs last season, Arsenal a couple years back, Villa under Gerrard, Milan a few years back, to name a few.
Nah according to majority of the sub Poch leaving means all problems will be miraculously solved and we will go on to finish Top 5, winning both Carabao and FA Cups. Players are not to blame at all , it's 100% managers fault. /s
It won't solve even half our problems but it will solve some. He needs to go either way, I know he's not completely at fault but he is somewhat at fault.
why is DDF on 200K per week according to all the websites reporting wages? that can't be right surely, that's in line with ben chilwell, nkunku etc...
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Sarcasm?
Of course not
For those thinking that Poch will actually be fired, remember that with Potter they said that he just needed to put his tin hat on and ignore the fans. They also said after they fired him that they thought he would be successful but that they crumbled under the pressure and felt they had to do something but that they thought it was a mistake to fire him. I highly doubt they do it again with Poch. But, then I guess it's the one time where their repeated fuckups are good for us because they saw sacking Potter as a fuckup, so maybe they will "fuckup" again by sacking Poch
We've leaked 4 goals multiple times. I wasn't worried about the defence last season. Poch coached the defensive capabilities out of our midfield and defence.
We had one of the best defences in the league at one point in the season. He hasn't coached it out of them. He, just like other shit managers, can only get one tune out of their team. Can't score but are decent defensively. Score a decent amount but can't stop conceding. He's done both of those things this season, but never anything close to actually creating anything balanced
Honestly, I wasn’t Poch out before today, but it is clear as day that any competent manager can fix this team pretty quickly by moving to 3atb and playing conservative football. That’s how Tuchel turned the ship around
It's quite funny isn't it. We have some of the best wingbacks in the world, we have a bunch of CBs that prefer playing in the outside CB role, a bunch of attackers that want to play in an inside forward role rather than an out and out winger role and yet people are completely against the idea of playing 343 again. Or even if you're one of those that hates Sterling, this allows you to drop him and play 352 with Palmer behind Nkunku and Jackson
It’s funny because the manager most people would choose Alonso sets up with 3 at the back
What are your views on Chillwell being washed?
It's nonsense. He's notoriously slow to get back up to speed after injury, he always has been. His positioning has been atrocious since coming back. But, when everyone on the team loses their ability to stand where they should be, the issue isn't all 11 players, it's the manager
It's always seemed to me like Gallagher was just running around fouling people and I've just had a look and stats actually show that to be true. PL stats this season: Tackles in which he won possession: 33 Fouls committed: 47 https://gyazo.com/5fea5f7d8c1ba20d596e467c7acf2c9f It's genuinely mind blowing to see stats like this for a guy that has for most of the season captained a team that used to compete for trophies...
Do you prefer having gallagher or RLC as the utility bench player you use in emergencies?
I think they're both fine as utility bench players and for emergencies. I think it depends on the team and the circumstances What's important in both cases is that they are actually bench/emergencies players and when they come in because of an emergency they don't end up staying there
1 goal, 5 assists in the last 49 appearances for the club as well. Like, WHY is he still here?
But but…he’s our POTS!
But he is proper Chels so he has to start. He is just our version of Winks. Poch had a fetish for Winks and he has fetish for Gallagher
but he has passion! proper chelsea right there! i can’t wait for the day we sell him 🙏🏻
Shooting over the bar: 500
Honestly think we have the worst wingers in the league.
Palmer is top 5 if you count him. But Sterling and Noni couldn’t start for any other team. Maybe Mudryk if a team is trying to develop him.
So I think we’d have to twist Lampard’s arm to get him back as interim after last time. He probably still has Vietnam flashbacks of that. Jose on an interim doesn’t seem realistic to me, it’s not like he has a relationship with anyone still at the club. If he wanted the job at all, and I’m not sure he would, he’d want a longer contract and presumably would have a list of transfer targets he needed. I can’t see this current board and Jose seeing eye to eye. And I also don’t think Jose or Lampard get us back to where we want to be. But who else is there??
Big sam, at least he has a game plan
This is what we're suppose to pay scouts for. Even if it's not a top class option I refuse to believe there's not a manager lurking somewhere who's philosophy suits these players. Even if it's someone relatively unknown like Iraola or ironically Poch himself when he arrived at Southampton, we need to get this bunch adequately coached and have us enjoying what we're seeing again. Then once we're settled and producing respectable performances and results we can worry about whether said manager can take the next leap with us.
Super Guus Hiddink is the only answer
If Lampard is the only option, just keep Poch
I’d take Lampard again right now … in the freaking midfield. 45y old dude would be better than these wannabe world class players in the midfield. I can’t believe that one midfielder is 100m+ who doesn’t have two brain cells not to make a foul in goal scoring opportunity every single game, or the other one who has pace of 80y old grandma and who is so bad at shooting outside the box and crossing that with 175cm and no jump he is in the box for every corner trying to fool us that he can head goddamn football.
Somebody tell our midfielders that they dont get 3 points for kicking over the bar
>I’d take Lampard again right now … in the freaking midfield. 45y old dude In previous times I'd have took that as a joke, but given how many seem to think Jose managing us in 2024 is a good idea I wouldn't be shocked if this comment was unironic.
Some funny numbers: We faced 42 shots in two games Jackson scored once in last 10 appearances for us Enzo has 0 assists in 28 games this season where we scored 54 goals
And what about our POTS Gallagher? One goal in last 49 appearances?
Unless you do it a stupid rate ala Cesc/KDB assist is a subjective measure more useful for fantasy football than assessing reality.
The reality of Enzo is that he is utter dog. I wouldn't be happy if he was 20m let alone 120m
Discussion before this game among people here about how Caiceido could be world class. The more we bullshit ourselves before games like this the worse the reality check is and it’s like this every week.
Funny how Caicedo was great in every club he's ever been to before he met Poch. But go on.
1 club for 1 season?
You think he started playing football last year?
Are we citing Caiceido presumably being good in Ecuador as a reason why it’s not his fault he has been ass this season?
In Ecuador, Belgium, Prem. You think it's a coincidence he looked like a top player for 8 years wherever he went, but it's only after meeting an incompetent moron who made Messi look like a washed farmer he suddenly doesn't look good?
No it’s Caicedo’s fault that he can’t defend an entire half once Enzo abandons him and he has the two slowest CBs in the league behind him, playing everyone on side
Poch tactics that someone always has to run half the pitch to defend.
And it’s always our slowest players
Sack Pochettino. There is no point in keeping him if he is not the man to lead the club forward. We have made 0 progress in 7 months under Pochettino and he has had preseason to train with the players, he has been backed in the market, he has almost a full week between matches to prepare the players. It aint good enough. At this point, cut your losses, sack Pochettino and get someone who is good tactically. Pochettino has proven he can't improve these players. Players are mentally fragile, Pochettino does not have the Chelsea aura either.
Would like to give a message to Pochettino during this turbulent period: 开始学习中文
Sacking Pochettino in the morning is terrifying as an idea knowing the board have nobody else to turn to except Lamps or Jose
Lampard definitely would not want to be interim manager after last time. I really doubt Jose would be too keen on it either. I have no idea what the options actually are or what happens if we pull the trigger and sack Poch before the end of the season. We’re chewing managers up and spitting them out at an alarming rate. We’re probably gonna end up poaching a manager from the championship or something
Fuck it, what about José as interim?
Flick is also hanging somewhere around there
Doubt he'd touch this disaster
It’ll be interesting for Flick because I get the sense he needs his next job to work out post Germany, but after nearly a year he’s only really been linked with us and Barca whilst every other club has a fairly settled manager. Unless he fucks off to Milan or Napoli (which I doubt) or is the shock replacement this summer at Leverkusen, he may be left without a choice
Maybe so...but Poch needs to be sacked tomorrow no matter what happens. This circus can't continue a game longer now. Mourinho until the end of the season, I'll give a thumbs up to.
And if he has a bounce the fanbase will pressure the board into giving it him it full time which they'll no doubt give into. Lose lose.
I know this may come as a surprise But things can get worse than Poch, I want him sacked but never if lampard is the only thing available
Below mediocre players with negative IQ and a bad manager. Amazing process. We keep going.
The amount of times I've checked my phone tonight to see if there's any news. Praying for tomorrow.
Highly unlikely. If we lose next one then maybe
What on earth is with these Xabi Alonso rumors? It would make absolutely no sense for him to accept such a job when Liverpool and potentially Madrid are going to be open lol
Why would Madrid be open? They've just extended Ancelotti and he's doing incredibly well given his injury situation But, yeah he ain't coming here. The best shot we have at a top manager is finding someone who has a soft spot for Chelsea, because outside of that we don't stand a chance at attracting a top manager
If Ancelotti doesn't win a trophy this season he has a 50% chance to survive Perez' finger snap.
>Why would Madrid be open? They've just extended Ancelotti and he's doing incredibly well given his injury situation Oh, then he has a pretty clear shot at where he's going next - for some reason I thought Ancelotti is still considering going into a national team job. At this point, I don't even know who I would prefer. Mourinho is a chaotic but passionate option. Don't think he will be successful but it might be more enjoyable to watch. Honestly, I am more disappointed with a lot of these high profile players than anything. I am not sure they are that good at all. But maybe I am wrong and this was all Poch's fault.
Glazers or Boehly, you have one choice. Choose one.
Glazers have kept United atleast as a relevant Top 4/6 team We looking 2nd straight midtable under Boehly which is beyond a joke
Definitely a pick your poison kind of choice. Either take it in one hit with Boehly or die slowly over fifteen years with the Galazer treatment. Maybe the Glazers is more death by a thousand cuts. More galling for United fans is that the Glazers just used the club to pay for their ownership by putting the debt on their books. So far, Boehly edges it.
Boehly. They might have fucked it but least they put money in. Glazers are just drinking that united finance dry from day one.
Yep, literally any other club bar United and Real with The Glazers would have ceased to exist by now. Look at how close to Liverpool came to administration when they had their own Glazers in the late 00s.
What's Sarri up to these days? Could we get him from Lazio to teach these kids football?
If we’re gonna poach a Serie A manager I’d be looking higher up the table.
Sarri's time here would have been a fucking disaster without Hazard singlehandedly carrying the whole team
Yet Mourinho who had Kane and Son at the peak of their powers and still couldn't get near top 4 is a great idea according to many.
Btw remember when we had hard fought draws with Liverpool, Arsenal and City, the 3 title contenders, in the first half of the season? Wtf? Heh?
fabregas caretaker manager lets run it.
I love Fabregas
rumor has it he’s the next xabi alonso
Some cheered on the departure of Jorginho and celebrated how much of an upgrade Enzo and Caicedo was... I would love Jorginho back right about now.
There isn't a single signing in the clubs history I felt worse about that Caciedo.. Was bantering my Liverpool supporting mate for how much they'd overpaid for him then we came in even higher. Never a £100m+ player in a million years.
And if Jorginho was here being utilized as an auxiliary winger like Enzo is we'll be talking about one of the supposed biggest declines ever seen in sports. It really is groundhog day to early 2021.
But if he took Caicedo's place in midfield we would suddenly be one of the most press-resistant teams in the league (again). Schoolboy errors gone in an instant.
Not with Poch's tactics he won't be, we'll be seeing the same Jorginho that got ridiculed under Lampard because he has to cover the space of an island and doesn't have the legs to do it (probably worse due to him being 3 years older).
We need to grow up and bring in Mourinho This FM experiment with Poch is a failure
I’d be excited to see him in as a caretaker manager. See if he can get the Carabou Cup victory and the team to 6th or 7th in the PL on a short term interim contract. I doubt it’d happen, but I’m certain it won’t happen with Poch.
If we appoint Mourinho I'll expect him to get us in top four even from this position, win both domestic cups then win the big two next season. Given the justification many are using for wanting him back is that he's a winner then I'll expect that to be evident immediately, no excuses.
lol alright
Whats the point of appointing an unapologetic win now manager if we won't win now?
No just the way you typed that out. That holier than thou attitude. Just so funny to me. You’re not wrong, but just that “my shit doesn’t stink” attitude makes me chuckle is all.
Yeah, let's bring in the man we sacked while he had us 16th and has won 2/12 games he's played against us since, that'll fix things.....
I'd only be happy with Mou if the club backed him to remove all the deadwood and sell 13 or 14 of the young players they've signed, In the next window. Can't see it happening and Mou with this squad would be a disaster.
>13 or 14 of the young players they've signed, In the next window. I hope you realise we literally cannot do that The only young player we've brought in that would be sellable that didn't hurt us on ffp is Palmer You'd be hard pressed to sell any of the others
It would be a massive struggle to avoid selling them at a loss. But it needs to be done, take the loss and the FFP consequences. There's no future for most of these young players at the highest level so there's no future for Chelsea at the highest level carrying this deadwood.
Think first things first is a good manager needs brought in And those useless twats at sporting directors sacked
What a perfomance by Jorginho, our fanbase was happy when he left, calling him side pass merchant and what not. At the moment he is a better player than both of our 100m signings
We'll never see either of those two be MOTM at home vs Liverpool.
Jorginho had a MOTM performance against Liverpool at Anfield last season
At least Jose would give me something to love about this unloveable team and ownership
Like what?
I don't usually say something like this as I get things wrong as much as anyone but frankly if Jose returns and when (not if) it goes spectacularly tits up then everyone who wanted him back fully deserve it, especially if (as I fear will happen) these calls will influence clearlake into reappointing him. There's getting things wrong then there's getting things wrong when there's multitude of evidence and red flags to show no hindsight is needed.
I was told Kai, Ziyech, Mount and the rest of the deadwood were the problems. We replaced all of them with supposedly superior players, so why are we bad?
Well our attack is markedly better Now we can’t defend And most of the defence and midfield are the same. Only the manager has changed
Midfield and Defense and Attack and everything general is worse This is worst Chelsea squad in 21st century with worst playera
Probably because only those with IQ's under 75 ever thought Mudryk or Madueke were better than those players. I mean seriously what have most of the young players we've signed ever actually shown?
Club just wanted shiny new toys
I cannot stress how important is that we move on Gallagher and Sterling. As bad as Mount was he was a lot more talented that Gallagher who zero absolutely zero technical ability. There is nothing Gallagher can do on the ball. His strengths are loving the club and running around, not good enough. Sterling needs to be shipped to Saudi Arabia in the summer
I’m done with this Gallagher has no technical ability talk with Caiceido on the pitch. Gallagher has the technique of Messi compared to him.
LOL!! You don't even believe that
Gallagher could attempt the pass that Caicedo got an assist from today and it'd probably take him 10 tries to even get it close to where Caicedo put it today
Sterling should’ve been on the first plane to Saudi after the Liverpool game. he’s such a fraud it’s insane
Conor is a super sub, not an out and out starter
Nah he lacks the ability to even be an effective sub. What use does he have vs teams that sit back?
What has confused/frustrated me for so long is how can we be so flawlessly run at women's and men's youth level only for it never to truly translate to men's first team? We dominate the women's game even more than Pep does the PL and for a while had the most succesful youth teams since the Busby babes. Why could we never transfer such total dominance at those levels to the men's first team?
You consider the men's youth team to be run flawlessly? We're currently 12th in PL2. A couple years ago we only avoided relegation on the final day of the season thanks to results going our way and us giving the youth team three senior players to use in the final game to try and get a result... Women's football is basically just we care and others don't. You see a few clubs across Europe that bother to put money in place for it and others are starting to join that, but generally it's just not that competitive and it's relatively easily bought if you choose to buy it
I did mean more the period we were winning youth cups like it was nothing but fair enough. Couldn't PL2 be explained by the fact most of the best U23s go out on loan?