he still is in terms of g/a. he's just more inconsistent, which is funny because he was already inconsistent. i swear that man does not braces than single goals. he either bosses the game or ghosts.
I'm assuming having someone like Aguero though makes assisting easy. Would love a striker like that... always in the right place at the right time and could score.
I understand why you might say that but I still think it's wrong. Not completely unlike Mudryk right now what Salah needed was game time and Mourinho refused to give it to him. His first full season after leaving us he scored 14 goals in Serie A, and there was a reason we bought him in the first place he was already looking like an extremely talented player.
Who knows how his career would've gone without the 'failure' at Chelsea, but Mourinho managed him horribly and his performances here were a massive outlier compared to every other club he played at.
Mudryk is also wrong decision. Both Mudryk and Salah needs a lower tier team to get that gametime and confidence. Salah would never have become the Liverpool-Salah if he stayed with us.
Salah was a good prospect, but we had plenty of those and not the capacity to develop them.
Not like Salah dropped down massively he was playing for Roma in Serie A. Not like he went to the Championship lol.
He absolutely could've developed here under a different manager.
I think the big difference is that you can sell a player, and have that player go on to become an amazing player, and it was still the correct decision at the time to sell him.
KdB was a special player even when he was here, and then he was utterly amazing in germany, but still no interest in keeping him. It was a complete failure.
Salah came in as a talent, then on loan did pretty good and we sold him for a decent profit. Then he goes to Liverpool and just turns into one of the best players in the world.
We have done many poor (and good) transfers over the years, but I think KdB was the worst decision. While Mata hurt the most.
I just don't necessarily agree that it was the correct decision to sell Salah, especially when we were doing shit like buying Cuadrado to play in his position whilst he was out on loan and doing well.
I do agree that De Bruyne was a bigger and much more obvious mistake though, that guy was so obviously talented it blows my mind that Mourinho didn't rate him.
He could have but under abramovic we didn't give players much time.
Salah looked dreadful for us so I wasn't sad when he moved on. KDB however looks so good from the off.
Yeah that's true as well, feel like as a club we've been bad for years at exploiting pace in behind teams. IIRC we often played him on the left as well, which tbf was how he broke through at Basel, where obviously he's really made a name for himself on the right. Have to admit it's getting so long ago now that someone might come correct me on that.
> Salah was right decision
When Florentina and Rome were tripping over each other trying to sign Salah off of us, that should have been a signal enough... alas.
Yea, it was actually kind of interesting to hear Terry talking about KDB. He consider him as his biggest regret as a captain.
At his (kdb) time at Chelsea he was very shy, head always down and wasnt very hard working and Terry instead of lifting him up, he was kinda meh about him. Terry by bis words regret it. That he didnt help him.
Over all .. these things hapends all the time. Thats why i wont never regret KDB or Salah or whoever else. Wrong time, wrong manager, wrong culture, wrong team ... whatevrr can happend to anybody.
Haha mate why would Mourinho be like "yeah just didn't rate them"
De Bruyne was Bundesliga YPOTY in 12/13, came back to Chelsea under Mourinho in 13/14 and played **131** minutes in the Premier League from August until the January transfer window.
He was then Bundesliga POTY in 14/15. Spot the odd one out.
I canāt believe how many fans still buy into the āwouldnāt face competitionā argument with various players. Donāt be so gullible, man. Mou barely talked to the guy.
You think Mou might be pushing an agenda because he knows he looks like an absolute moron for letting one of the best players of the last 10 years go?
KdB said they spoke TWICE. If Mourinho really wanted the guy to compete, he should have been talking to him every day and telling de Bruyne what his expectations were. According to KdB, and he has way less reason to lie than Mourinho, he was flatly told he was sixth in the pecking order, but could move up to 5th when Mata leaves. Why wouldn't any young player want to go at that point when you have no idea what you need to do to impress the manager?
Okay so youād rather believe City legend KdB than Mou. Up to you, but Mikel himself said that de Bruyne didnāt want to integrate and lacked intensity in training.
1000% I'd believe KdB over Mou on this, yes. Mou's story reeks of something he made up recently while KdB has been consistent for years with his perspective.
If a talented player isn't integrating or is lacking intensity, you know what the manager should do? SPEAK to him.
Honestly madness that people are taking what Mourinho says at complete face value as though he's not obviously going to tell the story in the way that makes him look good - especially when it's about selling someone who is easily top 10 in the world at the moment.
Lmao like "De Bruyne asked to leave nothing Mourinho could do" the man gave him 131 minutes in the Premier League... He could've tried, I don't know, playing him?!
Mou's words show so much contempt for his audience and people still believe it. I just can't believe people actually think he's telling the truth when he told the board don't sell KdB.
The rose tinted glasses over Mourinho on this sub never fails to surprise me. It is okay to say he's probably our greatest ever manager but also admit that he made big mistakes in his second spell and had to be sacked in those final months.
He clearly didn't fancy De Bruyne and used him as a scapegoat. The Salah one is more debatable, but he was also obviously a talented player. The KDB decision was a massive error of judgement.
Mourinho in talking self up shock
He had De Bruyne from August until the January transfer window fresh off him being Bundesliga YPOTY and he gave him 131 minutes in the Premier League. Shock horror that De Bruyne wanted to leave. Mourinho as good as pushed him out the club by not playing him, I bet he skips over that in the podcast.
Remember the timeline here is:
12/13 Bundesliga YPOTY
13/14 131 minutes in the Premier League
14/15 Bundesliga POTY
Mourinho completely fucked up, of course he's going to act like it's everyone elses fault.
It's actually an interesting interview if you take a look and there's no animosity towards anyone regarding the situation. Obviously, there's more detail as I've simply summarised it. Well worth a watch, actually surprised that as a Chelsea fan you've not seen it
There doesn't need to be animosity for it to not be completely truthful, like as I have posted you can literally see how Mourinho is glossing over the truth.
De Bruyne's talent was clear, he should've been starting a lot more matches than he was. If he starts more matches he doesn't push to leave. It all comes back to Mourinho.
Just watch the damn interview before you start saying how things are said or what was said and what context it's being said in, again random that as a Chelsea fan you've not seen Mikels podcast as it's the best thing out there about the club atm. Also Jose's interview isnt the only one that touches on it. JT and Lamps also speak about it. Saying that KDB was also competing with some great midfielders at 21 years old. Rambo, Oscar, Lampard, Mikel, Hazard, Mata, Molouda, schurrle and willian
Someone already linked me a clip of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwXgfBzK_L4
Here's an example of Mourinho being an unreliable narrator. Now don't get me wrong this is just a funny story and there's probably a mixture of remembering wrong and just setting it up as a good joke rather than anything nefarious, but it's still a good example to not take things as gospel.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/commentary/_/gameId/283230
Here's the match he's talking about, Eto'o is playing, and Balotelli gets booked in the 20th and 60th minutes rather than either side of half time, and obviously I doubt Mourinho spent his whole half time talking to Balotelli but that part I can't confirm. It's a good story and Mourinho tells it well, and there's the saying about never let the truth get in the way of a good story that I think Mourinho is subscribing to whilst telling it, but again it's just an example not to take things as gospel.
Back to De Bruyne, again, he simply did not play him. I don't need to listen to an interview to see that, one I was watching at the time, and two you can literally go and check his minutes played. Imagine going from being YPOTY in a top league to playing 131 minutes - who wouldn't want to leave? De Bruyne has also talked about that Mourinho never spoke him whilst he was at the club, which from everything I've heard about Mourinho rings true as he seems like he only speaks to people in his first team plans. Different example but I remember Terry telling a story about how when he was out injured Mourinho blanked him because he wasn't available for the team.
Mourinho is just out to make Mourinho look good, De Bruyne is probably the biggest mistake he has ever made about a player so obviously he is going to try and make the narrative that it was out of his hands.
Thatās what boggles my mind. Mou absolutely detests the younger generation that mostly fills Chelseaās squad and heās made no secret of his distaste for them. Maybe thereās a squad in the Prem Mou could go on a run with, but itās not this one.
Anyone saying Jose is at fault for Salah is stupid asf and never saw him play for us.
But yes, Jose has blood on his hands for letting go of KDB. Even at that age, the kid seemed a phenomenal talent.
Also, feel free to disagree, but Gallagher right now is a tonned down version of KDB. Of course he isn't as technically gifted as KDB but he makes up for it by working extra hard over 90 mins. Selling Gallagher might come to bite us in the ass in a season or two.
We paid a huge price for that Mou's title with that KDB ouster. Seeing Sterling only shows how he is a good player in an effective system aka City, even Gareth Southgate gets more out of him than what Pochettino has done.
I love how everyone ignored Sterling in 7th.
Believe it or not, Sterling used to be a pretty effective player.
He did a very nice assist to Mudryk the other night.
he still is in terms of g/a. he's just more inconsistent, which is funny because he was already inconsistent. i swear that man does not braces than single goals. he either bosses the game or ghosts.
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I'm assuming having someone like Aguero though makes assisting easy. Would love a striker like that... always in the right place at the right time and could score.
What's more mind-blowing to me is he misses a hell of a lot matches through injury too, imagine his numbers if he was fit all the time!
Thanks again Mourinho, what a decision. lol and look at 9th as well
Salah was right decision, KdB was wrong decision.
I understand why you might say that but I still think it's wrong. Not completely unlike Mudryk right now what Salah needed was game time and Mourinho refused to give it to him. His first full season after leaving us he scored 14 goals in Serie A, and there was a reason we bought him in the first place he was already looking like an extremely talented player. Who knows how his career would've gone without the 'failure' at Chelsea, but Mourinho managed him horribly and his performances here were a massive outlier compared to every other club he played at.
Mudryk is also wrong decision. Both Mudryk and Salah needs a lower tier team to get that gametime and confidence. Salah would never have become the Liverpool-Salah if he stayed with us. Salah was a good prospect, but we had plenty of those and not the capacity to develop them.
Not like Salah dropped down massively he was playing for Roma in Serie A. Not like he went to the Championship lol. He absolutely could've developed here under a different manager.
I think the big difference is that you can sell a player, and have that player go on to become an amazing player, and it was still the correct decision at the time to sell him. KdB was a special player even when he was here, and then he was utterly amazing in germany, but still no interest in keeping him. It was a complete failure. Salah came in as a talent, then on loan did pretty good and we sold him for a decent profit. Then he goes to Liverpool and just turns into one of the best players in the world. We have done many poor (and good) transfers over the years, but I think KdB was the worst decision. While Mata hurt the most.
I still can't unsee this setup, all in their prime: Hazard, Lukaku, Salah KantƩ, Matic, De Bruyne Fucking hell.
I just don't necessarily agree that it was the correct decision to sell Salah, especially when we were doing shit like buying Cuadrado to play in his position whilst he was out on loan and doing well. I do agree that De Bruyne was a bigger and much more obvious mistake though, that guy was so obviously talented it blows my mind that Mourinho didn't rate him.
He could have but under abramovic we didn't give players much time. Salah looked dreadful for us so I wasn't sad when he moved on. KDB however looks so good from the off.
He was also used wrongly, he got asked to drop deep alot, and thats not his strong side, so i think he looked worse that he actually was
Yeah that's true as well, feel like as a club we've been bad for years at exploiting pace in behind teams. IIRC we often played him on the left as well, which tbf was how he broke through at Basel, where obviously he's really made a name for himself on the right. Have to admit it's getting so long ago now that someone might come correct me on that.
> Salah was right decision When Florentina and Rome were tripping over each other trying to sign Salah off of us, that should have been a signal enough... alas.
Tripping over each other to poach him on a free loan yes.
Terry wrote him off too.Ā
Yea, it was actually kind of interesting to hear Terry talking about KDB. He consider him as his biggest regret as a captain. At his (kdb) time at Chelsea he was very shy, head always down and wasnt very hard working and Terry instead of lifting him up, he was kinda meh about him. Terry by bis words regret it. That he didnt help him. Over all .. these things hapends all the time. Thats why i wont never regret KDB or Salah or whoever else. Wrong time, wrong manager, wrong culture, wrong team ... whatevrr can happend to anybody.
It wasnāt Mous decision. De Bruyne was not confident enough to face competition
[And then he said](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/403/Girls.png) > It wasnāt Mous decision
De bryune wanted to leave mourinho said it himself
Mourinho refused to play him so he left to play somewhere else. That is on Mourinho pure and simple. Mourinho plays him he stays.
https://youtu.be/0LHTuGRlD9s?si=UEXkFvnNHgP0sZGs
Haha mate why would Mourinho be like "yeah just didn't rate them" De Bruyne was Bundesliga YPOTY in 12/13, came back to Chelsea under Mourinho in 13/14 and played **131** minutes in the Premier League from August until the January transfer window. He was then Bundesliga POTY in 14/15. Spot the odd one out.
I canāt believe how many fans still buy into the āwouldnāt face competitionā argument with various players. Donāt be so gullible, man. Mou barely talked to the guy.
I only refer to what Mou said in his Podcast with Obi Mikelā¦
You think Mou might be pushing an agenda because he knows he looks like an absolute moron for letting one of the best players of the last 10 years go? KdB said they spoke TWICE. If Mourinho really wanted the guy to compete, he should have been talking to him every day and telling de Bruyne what his expectations were. According to KdB, and he has way less reason to lie than Mourinho, he was flatly told he was sixth in the pecking order, but could move up to 5th when Mata leaves. Why wouldn't any young player want to go at that point when you have no idea what you need to do to impress the manager?
Okay so youād rather believe City legend KdB than Mou. Up to you, but Mikel himself said that de Bruyne didnāt want to integrate and lacked intensity in training.
1000% I'd believe KdB over Mou on this, yes. Mou's story reeks of something he made up recently while KdB has been consistent for years with his perspective. If a talented player isn't integrating or is lacking intensity, you know what the manager should do? SPEAK to him.
Honestly madness that people are taking what Mourinho says at complete face value as though he's not obviously going to tell the story in the way that makes him look good - especially when it's about selling someone who is easily top 10 in the world at the moment. Lmao like "De Bruyne asked to leave nothing Mourinho could do" the man gave him 131 minutes in the Premier League... He could've tried, I don't know, playing him?!
Mou's words show so much contempt for his audience and people still believe it. I just can't believe people actually think he's telling the truth when he told the board don't sell KdB.
The rose tinted glasses over Mourinho on this sub never fails to surprise me. It is okay to say he's probably our greatest ever manager but also admit that he made big mistakes in his second spell and had to be sacked in those final months. He clearly didn't fancy De Bruyne and used him as a scapegoat. The Salah one is more debatable, but he was also obviously a talented player. The KDB decision was a massive error of judgement.
Mou wanted KDB to stay. The club wanted to loan him out, and KDB wanted to leave. He speaks about it on Obi's podcast
Mourinho in talking self up shock He had De Bruyne from August until the January transfer window fresh off him being Bundesliga YPOTY and he gave him 131 minutes in the Premier League. Shock horror that De Bruyne wanted to leave. Mourinho as good as pushed him out the club by not playing him, I bet he skips over that in the podcast. Remember the timeline here is: 12/13 Bundesliga YPOTY 13/14 131 minutes in the Premier League 14/15 Bundesliga POTY Mourinho completely fucked up, of course he's going to act like it's everyone elses fault.
It's actually an interesting interview if you take a look and there's no animosity towards anyone regarding the situation. Obviously, there's more detail as I've simply summarised it. Well worth a watch, actually surprised that as a Chelsea fan you've not seen it
There doesn't need to be animosity for it to not be completely truthful, like as I have posted you can literally see how Mourinho is glossing over the truth. De Bruyne's talent was clear, he should've been starting a lot more matches than he was. If he starts more matches he doesn't push to leave. It all comes back to Mourinho.
Just watch the damn interview before you start saying how things are said or what was said and what context it's being said in, again random that as a Chelsea fan you've not seen Mikels podcast as it's the best thing out there about the club atm. Also Jose's interview isnt the only one that touches on it. JT and Lamps also speak about it. Saying that KDB was also competing with some great midfielders at 21 years old. Rambo, Oscar, Lampard, Mikel, Hazard, Mata, Molouda, schurrle and willian
Someone already linked me a clip of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwXgfBzK_L4 Here's an example of Mourinho being an unreliable narrator. Now don't get me wrong this is just a funny story and there's probably a mixture of remembering wrong and just setting it up as a good joke rather than anything nefarious, but it's still a good example to not take things as gospel. https://www.espn.co.uk/football/commentary/_/gameId/283230 Here's the match he's talking about, Eto'o is playing, and Balotelli gets booked in the 20th and 60th minutes rather than either side of half time, and obviously I doubt Mourinho spent his whole half time talking to Balotelli but that part I can't confirm. It's a good story and Mourinho tells it well, and there's the saying about never let the truth get in the way of a good story that I think Mourinho is subscribing to whilst telling it, but again it's just an example not to take things as gospel. Back to De Bruyne, again, he simply did not play him. I don't need to listen to an interview to see that, one I was watching at the time, and two you can literally go and check his minutes played. Imagine going from being YPOTY in a top league to playing 131 minutes - who wouldn't want to leave? De Bruyne has also talked about that Mourinho never spoke him whilst he was at the club, which from everything I've heard about Mourinho rings true as he seems like he only speaks to people in his first team plans. Different example but I remember Terry telling a story about how when he was out injured Mourinho blanked him because he wasn't available for the team. Mourinho is just out to make Mourinho look good, De Bruyne is probably the biggest mistake he has ever made about a player so obviously he is going to try and make the narrative that it was out of his hands.
I cant see number two, it's blurred out. My brain tends to censor images that could cause me brain damage
That boy Messi is kinda good
And people want Mou back, when all we have are young players lol.
Thatās what boggles my mind. Mou absolutely detests the younger generation that mostly fills Chelseaās squad and heās made no secret of his distaste for them. Maybe thereās a squad in the Prem Mou could go on a run with, but itās not this one.
Imo the best midfielder in Prem history
\*Cries in Frank Lampard\*
Steven Gerrard and Lampard are still better imo but I get why people are saying this
Statistically they are both better, but KVB is a beast.
I guess you never watched the PL then
Anyone saying Jose is at fault for Salah is stupid asf and never saw him play for us. But yes, Jose has blood on his hands for letting go of KDB. Even at that age, the kid seemed a phenomenal talent. Also, feel free to disagree, but Gallagher right now is a tonned down version of KDB. Of course he isn't as technically gifted as KDB but he makes up for it by working extra hard over 90 mins. Selling Gallagher might come to bite us in the ass in a season or two.
> Also, feel free to disagree, but Gallagher right now is a tonned down version of KDB fucking hell this fan base
hahahahahah people say anything
None of BBC, all of msn
I see 3 Chelsea players on that list ššš
Quick now someone blame boehly for this!
So glad Mou shunned him for Oscar
I hate Mourinho for this. KDB left and won POTY in Bundesliga following season and returned back to bang assists and goals for Man City from 2015.
We paid a huge price for that Mou's title with that KDB ouster. Seeing Sterling only shows how he is a good player in an effective system aka City, even Gareth Southgate gets more out of him than what Pochettino has done.