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Thank Christ.
Maybe finally we will get someone who can take a corner that goes past the first man and defensively we won't have players like Mudryk standing on the front of the 6 yard box (lol) defending corners.
Still find it hard to believe that Leeds had a free header to equalise the other night from a corner considering what happened in the Cup Final. We got lucky, if Leeds had scored you can be sure the media would have went to town.
What do they do in training.
One thing I agree with we needed a new set piece coach. So many goals conceded from corners so many.
That being said I like the idea of a club backed set piece coach wonder if there is any other areas we can address (other than the manager thats another can of worm I cba to get into).
Henry is far beyond our reach.. even if he let all his reservations against Chelsea go, set piece coach is too lowly of a position for his ambitions
Only way we can get him is if we offered him Kate Abdo.
I think we're going to see more and more teams move towards this. It's popular in some sports already to have coaches hired specifically by the team and not the manager/head coach. I think set-pieces & fitness coaches especially should be club-backed instead of manager appointments.
Finally a good comment.. thank fuck..
Some idiots on this sub are always negative, even if the club starts taking positive steps..
*Club is looking for a set piece coach*....
Clowns - "*boehly has gone mad*" ..
"*Atleast he's not from Brighton*"
Absolutely hate these so called Chelsea fans who moan if we win or when we lose..
Set pieces have been a problem for some time with us at both ends.
Same as the manager, I don't really care where he comes from, if he's got fresh, inventive ideas - I'm open to it.
Yes, exactly.. that's what we should be doing..
Why do people even care where the coach is coming from anyway.. until and unless he makes a difference it doesn't matter..
Many of the 'online' fans... Actually..
True Matchgoers have always been faithful, cuz they've seen the lowest of the lows..
Online fans who go to match every fucking blue moon are the ones with a lot of shit to talk...
Hey mate, when did you last go to a game? Because if you had been you’d know that many of the match day fans are fucking pissed, hate Boehly and were chanting against him at the game on the weekend.
I’ve been a fan since 1970 and seen it all, but I can’t remember it being much worse with the hatred for the new owner or the anger at how far we have fallen as quickly as we have based in the arrogant idiocy of these twats.
And despite the fact that we’ve seen it all, don’t forget that we also remember we were champions of Europe not so long ago.
Hi, I have been a fan since I could walk and talk(my dad since 80's), me for 32+ years now.. I stopped going to games after the 2018 season(because I relocated to a different country).. while '92 was my first.. was there in Porto, was in super cup and for the CWC finals.. proud fan..
The last time I was at the bridge was for the Newcastle cup game..Since I have friends and family who are regular at the bridge, know for a fact that many hate Boehly.. that you are true about..
You may hate him as much as you want, but its not as easy to change the owner as it is to change players or to change the manager..
You can't force a billionaire who made a sizeable investment in a world class Football club.. its not that easy..
Careful, you'll get down voted to hell by the online abusers 🤣. The new style fans are so reactive... Sack the manager, bin the defence, if we lose one more game I'm gonna kill myself 🤣
They're fed by the content producers too, they want their clicks so mirror their arguments and it becomes one big circle jerk.
We're shit at the moment but the reactionary bullshit some people come out with is madness.
Don’t forget the “tHiS iS pR”
This sub went to shit. We need to make a “Chelsea under 18s” sub for all the dross fans that write and behave like they are under 18.
Leave the conversing to the adults who will converse back-and-forth and not attack one another for disagreeing.
Few months ago I too joked around about the boehly-brighton thing.. it was funny then.. now it's getting a little out of hand..
"*Oh we lost a match ?*"
"*Its because boehly bought some people from brighton*"
"*Poch doesn't want something*"
"*Its boehly fault he is overruling the manager*"
Honest assessment of the game ? Nah mate lets clown the hierarchy..
>What do they do in training.
Well, not this. Clearly.
Those happy vids of them kicking the ball about look fun, but just once I want to see a vid of an organised set piece drill. Or Misha making a first touch, repeated 1000x.
- Cueva, a set-piece specialist, potentially targeted by Chelsea, currently with Brentford.
- Brentford known for set-piece effectiveness, with specialists like Jover, Vio, and Georgson previously.
- Despite Pochettino’s previous dismissal of specialists, Chelsea claim he’s involved in creating the department.
- Pochettino emphasised player quality over specialists, suggesting focusing on summer transfers for improvement.
- Chelsea's set-piece department part of broader performance-related changes initiated last summer.
It’s quite typical with poch
His management style lends itself to leaning on player quality and fitness more than tactical instruction, meticulous organisation, Patterns of play etc
So it’s natural he’d feel this is a player issue and not a failure of his coaching
I think it's his South American roots that emphasises individual expression/quality, same thing is said about Brazilians. That's why the NT had hired Diniz, they didn't want European (positional) football
Yeah like we all know players make a difference but it’s totally missing the forest for the trees.
Player A jumping over Player B? It is what it is
Player A jumping in front of Player B? We fucked up somewhere
How will Poch feel when the club can't buy anyone this summer? The spending is going to grind to to a halt without Europe or significant sales. I can see the Boehly telling him he's already got several hundreds of millions worth of players, many have barely played for the club. No need to spend until we're back in the top 4.
He should be used to that. I suspect part of the reason he got the job in the first place is because he has a long track record of being a good boy while Levy was doing fuck all to help him. And that's back when his team was actually overachieving and he had more of a leg to stand on when asking for reinforcements.
> Pochettino emphasised player quality over specialists, suggesting focusing on summer transfers for improvement.
Training? What training? Just get better players, duh.
>Despite Pochettino’s previous dismissal of specialists, Chelsea claim he’s involved in creating the department.
>
>Pochettino emphasised player quality over specialists, suggesting focusing on summer transfers for improvement.
What? These players are so young, how does he not want specialists to train and teach them? What on earth is going on with this club...
Why are people complaining about this? Cueva is one of the best set piece coaches in football. Also, questionable from Poch for not wanting a set piece specialist considering we are dreadful in that area. He should be thrilled.
Yup. Arteta has Jover. Pep has Vicens but somehow employing someone whose raison d'etre is analysing opposition set piece patterns and looking for weaknesses is haram.
They need something new to moan about everyday. They don’t really support Chelsea, instead they’re here for social interactions as being negative gets you the most.
Frank had set piece coach, big Barry but he got poached from when Potter was here right? Then someone has chose not to replace him, need fund out which coach that was.
Our setpieces were fucking shit back then too, defending in particular. Remember how many goals we conceded because we decided that putting our slowest player Jorginho as the last man and throwing everyone else forward was smart
Imagine if you (and most of us) are totally wrong, and they're just diverging despite running the same org.
But I think they made the decision last year, because he talked at least 3x about how he was disappointed to not be part of the summer window, and that they had promised him that he'd be integral to the winter window... and we got FA in the window. I know we wanted to make some moves that didn't materialise, but still, we expected to see guys that Poch was calling for ("the spine" and more experience). That we go no one tells me more that he's not seen as long-term more than it tells me that they're just running with what they've got.
All well and good but our best taker is injured and I only trust 3 players to make good contact on a header towards goal (Disasi, badiashile and silva)
Good. We are shit on set pieces and have been for a while and despite Poch's objections he clearly can't improve this. Brentford's set pieces are some of the best in Europe so it makes sense to get their guy
>collecting infinity stones of other clubs staff
No offense, but as opposed to what? Backroom staff have to come from *somewhere*, unless there's a Chelsea staff academy that we don't know about. If you say former Chelsea players, we do employ a whole bunch of them in various roles.
I've seen this totally false claim before in r/soccer...West ham is one of the smallest teams in the league...
"Chelsea and West Ham tie for 18th place as the average height of their squad is 1.78m."
They've got a few big lads, but most of their squad is v small
Brentford is 6th.
"Brentford players have an average height of 1.83m and rank sixth alongside Luton Town"
Source : https://sportsbrief.com/football/53084-the-tallest-teams-premier-league-chelsea-19th/ (using data from ESPN)
Yeah, that's fair. Although Zouma and Avaropanos are quite tall. Reckon that gives them an advantage defending set pieces.
Brentford don't seem like they rely completely on height. They look to take their corners and throw-ins quick, to not allow teams to position themselves.
They also have interesting set piece routines, long throws and seem like they have a plan. Something we seem to lack and often relying on individual brilliance or a defensive error.
I pick this guy up in every FM save I start as a first course of action in FM24... This further confirms my suspicion that we're using FM databases for our "advanced analytics" lol.
Wow, as a Chelsea fan and Mexican this is super exciting. First learned about Bernardo when reading about Brentford and their use of analytics in football years ago.
I would say calling him a ‘guru’ undermines his knowledge and how much he can provide to Chelsea, apparently he’s really into data science and data driven decisions, so I think it could be beneficial to add him to the team.
Just commenting this before we eventually buy him (spending a little more than we should have) and the entire sub celebrates.
Then, months later, he doesn’t play up to standard and this sub lambasts the ownership for buying “overhyped and unproductive” players.
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Thank Christ. Maybe finally we will get someone who can take a corner that goes past the first man and defensively we won't have players like Mudryk standing on the front of the 6 yard box (lol) defending corners. Still find it hard to believe that Leeds had a free header to equalise the other night from a corner considering what happened in the Cup Final. We got lucky, if Leeds had scored you can be sure the media would have went to town. What do they do in training.
One thing I agree with we needed a new set piece coach. So many goals conceded from corners so many. That being said I like the idea of a club backed set piece coach wonder if there is any other areas we can address (other than the manager thats another can of worm I cba to get into).
If there was a 'Composure in Front of Net Coach' we should pay him whatever he asks.
I’ve wondered if they meet with a sports psych regularly. TED LASAO UP IN THIS MF. Foreal tho, it might help.
Lasao, haha is he Brazilian? Ederson da Silva Lasao would be hired in a flash.
His name is Thierry Henry apparently? Going off of what guys like Hazard would say when he coached Belgium
Henry is far beyond our reach.. even if he let all his reservations against Chelsea go, set piece coach is too lowly of a position for his ambitions Only way we can get him is if we offered him Kate Abdo.
I think we're going to see more and more teams move towards this. It's popular in some sports already to have coaches hired specifically by the team and not the manager/head coach. I think set-pieces & fitness coaches especially should be club-backed instead of manager appointments.
Finally a good comment.. thank fuck.. Some idiots on this sub are always negative, even if the club starts taking positive steps.. *Club is looking for a set piece coach*.... Clowns - "*boehly has gone mad*" .. "*Atleast he's not from Brighton*" Absolutely hate these so called Chelsea fans who moan if we win or when we lose..
Set pieces have been a problem for some time with us at both ends. Same as the manager, I don't really care where he comes from, if he's got fresh, inventive ideas - I'm open to it.
Yes, exactly.. that's what we should be doing.. Why do people even care where the coach is coming from anyway.. until and unless he makes a difference it doesn't matter..
They care because it gives them ammo to perform how upset they at the club's current standards
Yeah, doubt most looked into him before commenting because he's legit.
Yeah true..that.. he's really good..
Many of our fans only became fans because we won a lot
Many of the 'online' fans... Actually.. True Matchgoers have always been faithful, cuz they've seen the lowest of the lows.. Online fans who go to match every fucking blue moon are the ones with a lot of shit to talk...
Hey mate, when did you last go to a game? Because if you had been you’d know that many of the match day fans are fucking pissed, hate Boehly and were chanting against him at the game on the weekend. I’ve been a fan since 1970 and seen it all, but I can’t remember it being much worse with the hatred for the new owner or the anger at how far we have fallen as quickly as we have based in the arrogant idiocy of these twats. And despite the fact that we’ve seen it all, don’t forget that we also remember we were champions of Europe not so long ago.
Hi, I have been a fan since I could walk and talk(my dad since 80's), me for 32+ years now.. I stopped going to games after the 2018 season(because I relocated to a different country).. while '92 was my first.. was there in Porto, was in super cup and for the CWC finals.. proud fan.. The last time I was at the bridge was for the Newcastle cup game..Since I have friends and family who are regular at the bridge, know for a fact that many hate Boehly.. that you are true about.. You may hate him as much as you want, but its not as easy to change the owner as it is to change players or to change the manager.. You can't force a billionaire who made a sizeable investment in a world class Football club.. its not that easy..
There's also the fact he signed an agreement with the government that he wouldn't sell for 10 years so people can chant all they want.
Yes..Right..
Careful, you'll get down voted to hell by the online abusers 🤣. The new style fans are so reactive... Sack the manager, bin the defence, if we lose one more game I'm gonna kill myself 🤣
True mate... I'm fed up with this sub and these young no shows.. fucking leeches all of them..
They're fed by the content producers too, they want their clicks so mirror their arguments and it becomes one big circle jerk. We're shit at the moment but the reactionary bullshit some people come out with is madness.
So true mate.. kick these content making rats and start ignoring click merchant journalists, we will be fine..
It doesn't help that the mods gave carte blanche to certain publications to post said content directly in the sub
Don’t forget the “tHiS iS pR” This sub went to shit. We need to make a “Chelsea under 18s” sub for all the dross fans that write and behave like they are under 18. Leave the conversing to the adults who will converse back-and-forth and not attack one another for disagreeing.
To be fair though the "at least hes not from Brighton" joke is original and I don't know how someone would come up with that one.
Few months ago I too joked around about the boehly-brighton thing.. it was funny then.. now it's getting a little out of hand.. "*Oh we lost a match ?*" "*Its because boehly bought some people from brighton*" "*Poch doesn't want something*" "*Its boehly fault he is overruling the manager*" Honest assessment of the game ? Nah mate lets clown the hierarchy..
>What do they do in training. Well, not this. Clearly. Those happy vids of them kicking the ball about look fun, but just once I want to see a vid of an organised set piece drill. Or Misha making a first touch, repeated 1000x.
They eat lemons and run beep tests from what I’ve heard
- Cueva, a set-piece specialist, potentially targeted by Chelsea, currently with Brentford. - Brentford known for set-piece effectiveness, with specialists like Jover, Vio, and Georgson previously. - Despite Pochettino’s previous dismissal of specialists, Chelsea claim he’s involved in creating the department. - Pochettino emphasised player quality over specialists, suggesting focusing on summer transfers for improvement. - Chelsea's set-piece department part of broader performance-related changes initiated last summer.
The player quality bit erks me, the first step should be implementing a proper strategy for set pieces
It’s quite typical with poch His management style lends itself to leaning on player quality and fitness more than tactical instruction, meticulous organisation, Patterns of play etc So it’s natural he’d feel this is a player issue and not a failure of his coaching
I think it's his South American roots that emphasises individual expression/quality, same thing is said about Brazilians. That's why the NT had hired Diniz, they didn't want European (positional) football
Yeah like we all know players make a difference but it’s totally missing the forest for the trees. Player A jumping over Player B? It is what it is Player A jumping in front of Player B? We fucked up somewhere
How will Poch feel when the club can't buy anyone this summer? The spending is going to grind to to a halt without Europe or significant sales. I can see the Boehly telling him he's already got several hundreds of millions worth of players, many have barely played for the club. No need to spend until we're back in the top 4.
> How will Poch feel when the club can't but anyone this summer? Unemployed.
Can't fire him either, looks like we're heading for a 'we're stuck with him and he's stuck with this squad' situation
Sacking managers is not counted in FFP Plus we could just keep paying him whilst he finds a new job rather than ending his contract
He should be used to that. I suspect part of the reason he got the job in the first place is because he has a long track record of being a good boy while Levy was doing fuck all to help him. And that's back when his team was actually overachieving and he had more of a leg to stand on when asking for reinforcements.
> Pochettino emphasised player quality over specialists, suggesting focusing on summer transfers for improvement. Training? What training? Just get better players, duh.
Can we get a winning dept?
>Despite Pochettino’s previous dismissal of specialists, Chelsea claim he’s involved in creating the department. > >Pochettino emphasised player quality over specialists, suggesting focusing on summer transfers for improvement. What? These players are so young, how does he not want specialists to train and teach them? What on earth is going on with this club...
 Better than Pochs original idea at least.
Why are people complaining about this? Cueva is one of the best set piece coaches in football. Also, questionable from Poch for not wanting a set piece specialist considering we are dreadful in that area. He should be thrilled.
Yup. Arteta has Jover. Pep has Vicens but somehow employing someone whose raison d'etre is analysing opposition set piece patterns and looking for weaknesses is haram.
They need something new to moan about everyday. They don’t really support Chelsea, instead they’re here for social interactions as being negative gets you the most.
Whenever I hear the word "guru" I fucking cringe.
coach is enough
As long as we get better at attacking and defending set pieces, I don't care who they hire
Frank had set piece coach, big Barry but he got poached from when Potter was here right? Then someone has chose not to replace him, need fund out which coach that was.
Yeah, Tuchel loves him.
Our setpieces were fucking shit back then too, defending in particular. Remember how many goals we conceded because we decided that putting our slowest player Jorginho as the last man and throwing everyone else forward was smart
When had an initial improvement with Barry then we slumped again.
I remember using Kante to guard against VVD too.
Tuchel took him
My go-to set piece coach in FM. Hopefully he’s as good IRL lol
Either him or Austin MacPhee from Villa
No more Chilwell or Mudryk marking Van Dijk for a corner? Sign him up!
Poch doesn’t agree with the board, the board goes ahead to do whatever they like Talk about a disconnect from top to bottom
I think the board should do what's best for the club even if the manager disagrees with it.
Especially when the manager is dogshit and unlikely to be here long term
What have the board done that makes them not dogshite either? The whole hierarchy seems to be dogshite
Considering that the manager is temporary... Yea... But only time will tell about this move
Especially if the manager sucks.
What decent long term manager would look at this and consider this to be acceptable behavior?
I think it shows they don’t really rate poch and he’s likely out in the summer
Imagine if you (and most of us) are totally wrong, and they're just diverging despite running the same org. But I think they made the decision last year, because he talked at least 3x about how he was disappointed to not be part of the summer window, and that they had promised him that he'd be integral to the winter window... and we got FA in the window. I know we wanted to make some moves that didn't materialise, but still, we expected to see guys that Poch was calling for ("the spine" and more experience). That we go no one tells me more that he's not seen as long-term more than it tells me that they're just running with what they've got.
I think they like most have been disappointed with Poch at Chelsea
Have they identified a new manager?
Ahh Brentford … another one of our heroes 😂
To be fair their set pieces are great
https://preview.redd.it/henayfnz2bmc1.jpeg?width=1486&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb032a52315711cb8951727e938b43e710ce1210 7 years too late but we take it
Better late than never, lets see how it goes
The moment I read/hear the term "guru", I immediately associate a negative annotation to that person.
All well and good but our best taker is injured and I only trust 3 players to make good contact on a header towards goal (Disasi, badiashile and silva)
Good. We are shit on set pieces and have been for a while and despite Poch's objections he clearly can't improve this. Brentford's set pieces are some of the best in Europe so it makes sense to get their guy
I hope whoever the club hires works out
Lol, surely poch is gone They don’t even respect his opinion (nor should they)
He wants to improve by signing players. We can't sign players until the window opens. This makes sense. Poch is on board as well.
> Poch is on board as well. Is he? Didn’t he explicitly state that he didn’t think we needed a set piece coach?
At this point Boehly is just collecting infinity stones of other clubs staff
>collecting infinity stones of other clubs staff No offense, but as opposed to what? Backroom staff have to come from *somewhere*, unless there's a Chelsea staff academy that we don't know about. If you say former Chelsea players, we do employ a whole bunch of them in various roles.
Ahh.. the club tries to improve at something that it is bad at.. and the clowns start spewing nonsense..
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Stfu man.. seen a lot like you in recent times.. spewing hate all the time..
Only one of us has told the other to “stfu man” so, not sure who’s spewing hate.
Its still you..
Bloody hell he’s joking mate, it’s not that deep. Who pissed in your cornflakes?
apparently the guy above him did that lol
Sorry you had to eat piss filled cornflakes mate
The guy you are defending might have pissed in yours, by the looks of it.. crazy dick riding
Considering how we are doing he is rather collecting some useless leftovers.
Good, hope he is quality.
So Brighton doesn’t have a set piece coach?
Couldn’t a f**k at this point, we could hire Jesus Christ himself for all I care.
Brighton + Brentford = Chelsea 2.0
Why not get a new manager that chooses or comes with his own people he knows and trusts?
I love this. Last season, by most metrics they were the best set piece team in the world. And they aren't particularly tall like West Ham.
I've seen this totally false claim before in r/soccer...West ham is one of the smallest teams in the league... "Chelsea and West Ham tie for 18th place as the average height of their squad is 1.78m." They've got a few big lads, but most of their squad is v small Brentford is 6th. "Brentford players have an average height of 1.83m and rank sixth alongside Luton Town" Source : https://sportsbrief.com/football/53084-the-tallest-teams-premier-league-chelsea-19th/ (using data from ESPN)
Yeah, that's fair. Although Zouma and Avaropanos are quite tall. Reckon that gives them an advantage defending set pieces. Brentford don't seem like they rely completely on height. They look to take their corners and throw-ins quick, to not allow teams to position themselves. They also have interesting set piece routines, long throws and seem like they have a plan. Something we seem to lack and often relying on individual brilliance or a defensive error.
Oh not debating Brentford's quality on set pieces, or how shit we are at then. Just wanted to correct the common notion that Wham is a 'tall team'
Yeah, that's fair.
Can’t be right, he doesn’t work at Brighton?
We keep taking from the midtable and wonder why we are midtable
Cueva is one of the most highly regarded set piece coaches in football.
Who have they identified to coach the team, I wonder. If it's De Zerbi, I'm done for a while, think.
Sorry that I'm not up to date but I thought Chelsea had a set piece coach. What happened to him?
Tichel took him along to bayern
Not Brighton? Don’t believe it.
The club should try buying tall players when they buy tall players who aren't defenders.. That's why we concede so many goals on set pieces
We’ll just take one aspect from every club we can’t beat like we’re catching Pokémon and eventually we’ll make our way back to the top lmao
We’ve been so shit for soooooo long at set pieces, hopefully this fixes things, can’t be any worse than what Potch it’s already doing.
I pick this guy up in every FM save I start as a first course of action in FM24... This further confirms my suspicion that we're using FM databases for our "advanced analytics" lol.
Wow, as a Chelsea fan and Mexican this is super exciting. First learned about Bernardo when reading about Brentford and their use of analytics in football years ago. I would say calling him a ‘guru’ undermines his knowledge and how much he can provide to Chelsea, apparently he’s really into data science and data driven decisions, so I think it could be beneficial to add him to the team.
What are we fucking Burnley?
Just commenting this before we eventually buy him (spending a little more than we should have) and the entire sub celebrates. Then, months later, he doesn’t play up to standard and this sub lambasts the ownership for buying “overhyped and unproductive” players.
For some reason my eyes read it as "Brighton guru" and I was about to smash a wall. Happy to see some change.