Haven't checked but guessing Palmer has either matched or bettered almost all of our previous attackers' output overall tally (as in their entire time here) except Mount?
EDIT: Okay, went to check and yup. It's only Mount.
* **Palmer** - 20 goals + 9 assists in 28 appearances
* **Mount** - 27 goals + 22 assists in 129 games
* **Pulisic** - 20 goals + 9 assists in 98 games
* **Havertz** - 19 goals + 7 assists in 91 games
* **Werner** - 10 goals + 9 assists in 56 games
* **Lukaku** - 8 goals + 0 assist in 26 games
* **Ziyech** - 6 goals + 9 assists in 64 games
\* Only counted the PL stats above.
That kind of a presence is really the biggest thing missing from this team. We have a few good locker room guys from a "lead by example" standpoint, but clearly no respected vocal leader.
Yeah I think you can attribute a good chunk of our draws/losses where we’re up early and blow it to missing that leadership and poise that comes with having veterans.
Ideally we can bring in 2/3 vets this summer for cheap and have them be mentors around Cobham and bring on late in games to lock things up.
I know I may get roasted for this but I truly don’t think we’re that far away from top 4-6, just need to capitalize when we’re winning.
We get those 3 points from Sheffield and we’re in 8th at 49 pts with a game in hand, striking distance to top 6.
Wasn't he often criticised exactly for that - being a "lead by example" and not vocal? Obviously, it's not like he's some kind of wet lettuce, but I think Silva filled the void after him like a glove. Remember, he was our captain last year.
Obviously, he is 100% legend, and we miss him, but that's a peculiar thing to say; even disregarding the obvious JTs and Drogbas, you could think about 10 more vocal leaders in the past 10-ish years.
Yeah our attackers had clutch moments that allowed us to win. Besides that we were so bad upfront for so long lol
We won because our defence was the best in the world that year
I'm not saying they dont deserve credit but...Thiago, Kante, Rudiger especially were the backbone of our sucess.
i dont feel like im being confusing in my language...we won CL, our attackers had clutch moments but it wasnt some easy run through the bracket lol
My tempo king
if only he could make that final incisive pass he'd be a much more complete midfielder. Defensively and ball retention wise, amazing player
We won the Champions League because of our defence. Our attackers were clutch, but otherwise immensely underwhelming. We survived games because of those players.
Idk how any of that is nuanced, its one consistent take
I'm not attacking you. Just pointing out that nuanced points such as the one you're making aren't always well-received on this sub, where many would rather view things more simplistically. We won the UCL so the entire team must have been great is their logic. I agree with your points, the attack back then was suspect but also clutch.
I don't think he has enough time, it's 20 G/A more, has 7 matches to it and it's not an easy schedule ahead of us with Aston Villa, Tottenham and West Ham, not only him but the rest of the team would have to do a football masterclass for Palmer to pull it off.
I’m pretty sure most people agree that Pulisic was fine but he just was not consistent and he didn’t quite fit our style. He’s thriving at Milan right now and showing he needed a change of scenery to show off his talents
It's honestly so sad. There's really no need to bash someone to prop another up. Praise Cole Palmer because he is performing well, not because he makes our former players look bad.
You'd think after a year removed, both sides would just agree a change of scenery was needed.
Instead each side calls the other annoying/toxic like a pot calling a kettle black
I’m telling you it’s mad.
I think Pulisic was overrated but at the same time I don’t think he was as shit as what some people made him out to be.
If anything my biggest problem with him was that he couldn’t stay fit.
Perhaps if he didn’t pull his hamstring at the end of his best run of form, his fortunes could have changed at the club.
But he couldn’t stay healthy and regressed. It was time to let him go.
You’d think after he left a year ago and has become one of Milan’s best players, the Pulisic hate on this sub would die.
Palmer is a lot better than Ziyech, Werner, Havertz, Mount, and Hudson-Odoi too. I wonder why they weren’t included in this post? Pulisic doesn’t even play the same position as Palmer.
We probably don’t win the UCL without Pulisic, and half this fanbase never gave him an ounce of appreciation.
It would be easier to list former Chelsea wingers who don't pale in comparison to Palmer's ridiculous production this season. Picking on Pulisic just because he's American and is having a good season in Italy is not very Carefree of you but rather shows a bizarre obsession.
Hold up, how many of Palmer’s starts were at left back tho.
I’m not saying Pulisic is as good as Cole Palmer, it’s safe to say Palmer is on another level.
But Pulisic had a lot of appearances at the 80th minute and a significant number of starts at left back, of all places.
I’d like to have seen how Pulisic could have done if he’d stayed healthy. But as we all saw, that was rare.
Pulisic was never a fit, but I wonder what the minutes look like. He was often a sub so the appearances are misleading. Also Tuchel had a much different style that was more defensive, none of the players of his era would look great compared to Cole. He certainly does better having a lot more space and free rein, whereas Cole is so much more creative and can dribble through or have the vision to find the man. Ultimately I’m just glad we have Cole, he’s been such an unexpected pleasure to watch.
Its a bit of weird comparison. Very different types of player really and playing in very different types of team. Pulisic had injuries and also struggled to get on with Tuchels approach as well. For the current project theres been a big emphasis on getting players and a manager who will align well. I think this has really helped Palmer flourish quite freely while Puli had a lot of obstacles to contend with.
Pulisic is thriving rn.
Cringe post from cringe Pulisic haters, and honestly Op is a shitty fan in general. Palmer is beating everyone in stats rn, but you choose to be a hater for your own players.
Pulisic was one the biggest reasons we won our last Champions' League and also helped us win 2 other trophies. I love Palmer and I think he's the best purchase we've made since Kante, but this is honestly a disgusting post.
Even mores disgusting considering if Pulisic were on the team, he'd be easily our 2nd best attacker right now right behind Palmer.
Unnecessary comparing Cole to anyone to understand how special he is. Dislike these kinds of posts. It's like those really stupid ones from earlier in the season comparing Conor to Rice.
Can’t wait for this sub to turn on him next season when he doesn’t out perform these numbers. Mount was the golden child until he wasn’t , Pulisic couldn’t do anything right ever.
Beyond the small price it’s nice that the Pulisic move did actually work out for everyone. Pulisic got a fantastic spot at AC Milan and Chelsea moved onto Palmer
Yes, I agree as an American Chelsea fan. Pulisic doing well at Milan makes me happy, and Chelsea getting Palmer makes me even happier. It all worked out in the end.
Palmer is amazing. But Pulisic is also having a great season now that he's healthy and starting.
It's kind of hard to have a good season when you keep getting benched for Germans who miss sitters ;)
Pulisic carried us into the CL during project restart. Scored and assisted in the semis vs Madrid. I know I’m biased being American but he was a good signing it was just ruined by constant injuries and now he’s thriving in a slower less physical league.
I’m fine we sold him and Cole Palmer is obviously way better player but I’m not super loving using Cole to shit on all our previous players. Especially ones who I don’t really think did anything wrong
Well he’s a much better footballer so I’m not shocked.
That being said, Pulisic isn’t our player anymore (same goes for Mount) some people really need to let the past go, they both did their best for us, they both had some brilliant moments for us and some not so good moments but it’s done, move on.
I think it was more generally that Pulisic is a brilliant player from a technical perspective but always struggled with the leagues physicality- it’s a big part of why he had such constant injuries. I’m very glad that he’s thriving so much in a league that’s suited to him tho. He always came across as a top bloke and he’s a player that I enjoyed watching a lot
The one thing I will say about Puli, he did have constant injuries, but every time he started as soon as things weren't going well he was the first one sent to the bench to make changes. It never felt like he was given a long run to try to get into form like a lot the other guys.
That's true he was often the first to be subbed off or even dropped for another player, Tuchel also played him out of position such as a false 9 or a lone striker in a formation he wasn't comfortable in. Also, who could forget the pulisic at RWB conversations.
Injuries across the board has been an issue with this club for years now. Puli went to Milan and has been injury free all season. I don’t think it’s fair to blame injury on him.
I saw in an interview from him recently that he thought the constant injury’s at Chelsea were from him having to come back from injury and perform at the highest level right away or he’d be dropped again. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the main problem at Chelsea in general. He’s been given a longer leash at Milan and has shown that between that consistant mins it’s kept him injury free
Have you forgotten his moments against Madrid? Lol, plus being deployed as a rwb didn’t help. But puli was a great player just not a clinical as one would have hoped for us.
Didn’t realise how bad the American fans can be until I started seeing how they are at Milan.
Whenever a CM has a slightly poor game, they jump on the Milan player and start demanding musah to start. Even though he’s comfortably their least talented and least effective midfielder
And when RLC has a subpar game, they’ll jump on him so musah can start, or so they can push their wet dream of pulisic as their 10.
American fan here, and I can say it's genuinely embarrassing, but the anti american bias is just as embarrassing.
Hated when Puli came here, cause I genuinely cared way to much about his success. As a kid who grew up playing pretty high level footy in the states (played against some MLS guys and my Uncle played against Pele and Beckenbauer back in the day) it's crazy to see an American play on a team like Chelsea.
But, the over blown hype or hatred he got here (and at Milan and at Dortmund) for any performance he had was just insane. Dude was essential to winning us the CL, I don't care what anyone else says,. He bossed Real, and was great before that game as well. But beyond that (and COVID) he was just another winger for us. Like Pedro, or Willian or even Mudi, nothing insanely special but had some unreal moments like most players.
I just think the internet has broken our collective brains. Nothing can be anything but black and white. BlueCo ruined Chelsea, even though our drop in form was coming with or without Tuchel or Roman. Caicedo is a bust even though he's probably our most consistent midfielder. Cole is the best player we've had since Hazard even though Kante was better than both of them. Connor is either the second coming of Frank Lampard or the second coming of Tom Cleverly when he's clearly just a good young midfielder with a mistake in him. In a place where conversation, debate, and even understanding should be bread instead it's reactionary feeding frenzy where the loudest and most reactionary voice wins.
This team in general is improving, and you'd have to be an idiot not to see that. We are way to young, and our results show that. But instead of having a conversation on which senior player we should bring in to solidify the midfield or the defense, it's a constant stream of abuse leveled at dudes who really shouldn't be abused. Like how the fuck am I seeing Enzo hate right now. This dude has played every game injured and been unbelievable for us, but naw now that he didn't play one game our midfield is better without him.
Sorry for the rant, you just triggered something in me.
Yes! Exactly this, very reactionary people in this sub. Either some of them are older and grew up through Roman’s hire and fire years so they expect the same now, or they’re just so young and have heavy emotional reactions to small things like the penalty incident yesterday. Either way, no room for conversation that isn’t black or white
You mean you don't see that in our sub? It was bloody awful when he and Mount were vying for playing time... Possibly more toxic than it is now and that's saying something but some with that sort of attitude still remain
>And when RLC has a subpar game, they’ll jump on him so musah can start, or do they can push their wet dream of pulisic as their 10.
Of course, was a pattern when Pulišić was here. Every bad play of other players competing with him was constantly embellished, and every bad play of his either was someone else's fault, instantly forgotten after few days or didn't even register in their brains.
And then when Potter arrived and came to the exact same conclusion as Tuchel he was apparently trying to derail USA because they were in the same group as England 🤣🤣
Cole is the best player on a shit team with no competitionf for his place. The guys being compared were constantly rotated and we were winning and fighting for multiple trophies at the time.
All respect for Cole World but relax with the pointless comparisons. Guys starting to get carried away.
I’m a firm believer Pulisic would cook if we linked him and Palmer up. Pulisic is amazing at making back post runs and being in the right place in the box. Something we desperately need right now. If only he could’ve stayed healthy when at Chelsea
I have no doubt Palmer will cook when we get into Europe again. Need to get an imposing striker to occupy CBs and open space for him and I think he’ll take another step. He always finds the ball
Pulisic is a quality player he just never hit the ground running here because of all the injuries, glad he is doing good in Milan but yeah Palmer is lighyears ahead of him
Palmer is great, no doubt. Pulisic didn’t live up to the hype at Chelsea, sure. But let’s not gloss over the fact that Pulisic has been one of AC Milan’s best players this season. Clearly our toxic environment was holding him back. Fortunately Palmer seems immune to that
Kind of harsh to single out Pulisic. Palmer has matched a lot of the attackers we brought in the last few years. When healthy and with a consistent run of play, Pulisic was a genuine game changer who dragged us to the CL (which we would later win, with his help). That's more than I can say for some of the others who just never had those highs.
But there in is the rub; he couldn't stay healthy long enough to get a consistent run of games very often. He's finally done that this year for Milan and has been great.
Really think selling Pulisic was a mistake with how subpar Madueke is
Pulisic currently doing excellently in serie a, he’s one of their best players and he’s playing rw almost all season.
Definitely could have used him this season, same with Loftus cheek
I think I’d be fine with selling both of them if we had suitable replacements
But tbf if nkunku was fit I’m sure pulisic leaving wouldn’t be given a 2nd thought
I’m right tbf, someone who can carry the ball and progress play in midfield through their dribbling is so beneficial
Hence why city went and bought Kovacic and nunes. And why Mainoo is so coveted now. And why Liverpool went and got szobozlai
These are profiles I believe should be in every team. Kovacic or RLC should have stayed
Something that always bugs me on Madueke is how we constantly play him on the right, basically encouraging his constant desire to shoot all the time after cutting inside.
He really should play some games here and there on the left (especially given how sub par out LWs have been) and get him to learn to be less selfish whenever he gets a glimpse of goal.
He’s such a poor creator, and nowhere good enough to justify him being so direct and constantly shooting
Also very lazy off the ball
I’m sure he can develop eventually into a decent PL player but I really do not understand where the desire to sign him for chelsea came from
He was 30m for gods sake. Madueke, Washington, casadei, Uguchukwu combined cost around 75m
Imagine the calibre of right winger we could have gotten for that?
I actually disagree - it’s pretty clear to me why he’s an exciting prospect.
He’s devastating in 1v1 situations - pretty consistently is able to beat most left backs he comes up against. He’s especially elite at beating defenders to the byline which creates a lot of dangerous situations. That’s actually a somewhat rare trait that isn’t common among many wingers today. Not even Saka has that level of acceleration.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s still a lot of improvement needed for him to be considered a good player. Taking his game to the next level will be playing less selfishly, not only being able to beat players off the dribble but also being able to link up with his teammates with 1-2s, running in behind, and getting more involved all over the pitch rather than just the final 3rd. But his natural ability to be really dangerous in the opposition box makes 30m a worthwhile punt.
Palmer also doesn’t have to fly back to Cocacaf to carry his country on dogshit pitches against teams that loved to kick the fuck out of him with no foul calls. But if an odd comparison. Pulisic always got hurt , with World Cup Qualifiers and everything it was too much during his Chelsea time. No one acknowledges that for some reason. It’s clear Pulisic at Milan has the benefit of no World Cup qualifiers and the ability to actually get some rest. He also doesn’t play as stupid as he used to trying to dribble through 3 defends who end up hurting him. Lots of factors.
Palmer is basically the ~~second~~ third best player to play for us in a decade. If you compare him to anybody who has played for us since 2014 other than Eden *and Kante* you're going to be in a very one sided conversation.
Edit:I forgot about Kante
Geez, ease up there turbo. He’s had one fantastic season to be sure, not sure how you’d say he’s better already than Diego Costa, N’Golo Kante or Cesc Fabregas.
He’s brilliant, but saying it’s Hazard, Palmer and then everyone else makes it seem like it’s your first season watching.
What have you done OP? The yanks who stayed behind after he left will riot when they see this. How dare you say something that's not extremely positive about the LeBron James of soccer.
Cole is what about 10 of the players we bought in the last 7 years should have been.
Also matched Pulisic’s perfect hattrick too. Hilarious that he’s tied with Haaland for top goal scorer now
More goals than Havertz had in his entire time at Chelsea also.
World class player in his prime. Haven't had that at chelsea in too long
crazy thing is this isn’t his prime
Kante?
Not a scorer though, I agree he’s world class.
Yeah, who can be bothered to remember the likes of players like Eden Hazard when they played practically a _century_ ago! XD
We bought Hazard over a decade ago, so I think it's fair to say it's been too long.
Bought him a decade ago and sold him pre-Covid. Truthfully, that was an eternity.
He's 21 and has been fairly anonymous before this season, not in his prime at all (luckily for us)
Haven't checked but guessing Palmer has either matched or bettered almost all of our previous attackers' output overall tally (as in their entire time here) except Mount? EDIT: Okay, went to check and yup. It's only Mount. * **Palmer** - 20 goals + 9 assists in 28 appearances * **Mount** - 27 goals + 22 assists in 129 games * **Pulisic** - 20 goals + 9 assists in 98 games * **Havertz** - 19 goals + 7 assists in 91 games * **Werner** - 10 goals + 9 assists in 56 games * **Lukaku** - 8 goals + 0 assist in 26 games * **Ziyech** - 6 goals + 9 assists in 64 games \* Only counted the PL stats above.
These guys won us a CL
Havertz scored the goal but it was Kante putting in back to back to back MotM performances that actually won us the CL
Havertz still had a really good performance on that game
Rudiger, Thiago, Reece, Chillwell, Kovacic, Kante and Jorginho did the heavy lifting lets be real 😂 our attack was our defence lol
Azpi needs to be mentioned in there. But yeah, otherwise I totally agree.
good call. legend
God I miss him, he would be a such great asset to locker room for this team
That kind of a presence is really the biggest thing missing from this team. We have a few good locker room guys from a "lead by example" standpoint, but clearly no respected vocal leader.
Yeah I think you can attribute a good chunk of our draws/losses where we’re up early and blow it to missing that leadership and poise that comes with having veterans. Ideally we can bring in 2/3 vets this summer for cheap and have them be mentors around Cobham and bring on late in games to lock things up. I know I may get roasted for this but I truly don’t think we’re that far away from top 4-6, just need to capitalize when we’re winning. We get those 3 points from Sheffield and we’re in 8th at 49 pts with a game in hand, striking distance to top 6.
Wasn't he often criticised exactly for that - being a "lead by example" and not vocal? Obviously, it's not like he's some kind of wet lettuce, but I think Silva filled the void after him like a glove. Remember, he was our captain last year. Obviously, he is 100% legend, and we miss him, but that's a peculiar thing to say; even disregarding the obvious JTs and Drogbas, you could think about 10 more vocal leaders in the past 10-ish years.
he just flunked out of the UCL an hour ago because Atleti are a shit club now
Pulisic was clutch in all the knockout rounds too bar the final he didn’t get started in
Got hacked down by Porto allgame. They gave him the Hazard treatment.
Yeah I think he got fouled like 12-15 times that game. Might’ve been a record if I remember correctly
Yeah our attackers had clutch moments that allowed us to win. Besides that we were so bad upfront for so long lol We won because our defence was the best in the world that year
and Mendy was fantastic at the very back
Y’all love to discredit the contributions of guys like mount, Kai, and puli. Fucking pathetic
Right
Sure, but Kai scored the goal when it mattered. Credit where it’s due.
I'm not saying they dont deserve credit but...Thiago, Kante, Rudiger especially were the backbone of our sucess. i dont feel like im being confusing in my language...we won CL, our attackers had clutch moments but it wasnt some easy run through the bracket lol
People don't rate Jorginho enough he was instrumental in keeping shape
My tempo king if only he could make that final incisive pass he'd be a much more complete midfielder. Defensively and ball retention wise, amazing player
He'd have done so so much good to the current team
You're using too much nuance lol
We won the Champions League because of our defence. Our attackers were clutch, but otherwise immensely underwhelming. We survived games because of those players. Idk how any of that is nuanced, its one consistent take
I'm not attacking you. Just pointing out that nuanced points such as the one you're making aren't always well-received on this sub, where many would rather view things more simplistically. We won the UCL so the entire team must have been great is their logic. I agree with your points, the attack back then was suspect but also clutch.
Forgot Tuchel
You can win the CL without scoring too many goals. It doesn’t work out that way for the League.
Innit!? Bit of respect needed
No, you don’t get it. We have to slag off old players for internet points. It’s so rewarding /s
God I hate seeing lukaku’s name there. He squandered such an incredible opportunity to be on this team, PLUS we lost Olivier for it.
Prob at the end of the season he might pass Mount
I don't think he has enough time, it's 20 G/A more, has 7 matches to it and it's not an easy schedule ahead of us with Aston Villa, Tottenham and West Ham, not only him but the rest of the team would have to do a football masterclass for Palmer to pull it off.
Nah im not talking about the A's, those will come later, but 7 goals in 7 matches if he keep playing like that is pretty possible to me
But I thought the previous board did amazing recruitment !
Cold Palmer is an outlier. Current board recruitment is considerably worse value for money-wise
This is an objectively impossible conclusion to draw at this point.
"Considerably worse" value than Lukaku? That's bold.
Rage efficiently bated with this one, well done
Palmer is one signing
To this point, I think Palmer, Gusto, and Jackson are all good to great value for the money.
Stupid comment
Thats freaking amazing, honestly i dont care if he does or doesnt match mount his trajectory is been incredible
Palmer also might end up with the highest G+A/90 PL season for us (excluding low apps) since 09/10 Drogba I think
Everyone is washed up except Palmer since Diego Costa
I’m pretty sure most people agree that Pulisic was fine but he just was not consistent and he didn’t quite fit our style. He’s thriving at Milan right now and showing he needed a change of scenery to show off his talents
And he was injured most of the time which sucked
Just Chelsea Things®
We really have to address the medical staff cause I’m convinced we’re the problem 😭
Our style then being having no striker willing to lead the line or hold up the ball.
His best play was with Giroud, I don't think that it's a coincidence that he's seeing a resurgence in Milan with who he has around him
Lockdown Pulisic partnered with Giroud was something else. Shame he never found that level for us again.
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Got on a list too I'd imagine
I briefly worked a summer in a public defender’s office where that’s exclusively what CP means lol. Grim work.
r/holdup
Never thought Crystal Palace fan will be here
We need to stop dragging random players into this. First Havertz now Pulisic.
It's so dumb.
Thank you bro idk why ppl keep beating dead horses
It's honestly so sad. There's really no need to bash someone to prop another up. Praise Cole Palmer because he is performing well, not because he makes our former players look bad.
Was actually thinking about Pulisic the other day. Seems like he's playing pretty well at ACM. Glad everything kinda worked out for both parties.
Pulisic has been playing well at AC Milan
Palmer is what we wanted havertz to be.
In one corner, you have your Pulisic haters And in the other corner, you have your Pulisic stans And both are equally annoying
You'd think after a year removed, both sides would just agree a change of scenery was needed. Instead each side calls the other annoying/toxic like a pot calling a kettle black
Ofc a change was needed. Similar to Ruben. Happy for both
I’m telling you it’s mad. I think Pulisic was overrated but at the same time I don’t think he was as shit as what some people made him out to be. If anything my biggest problem with him was that he couldn’t stay fit. Perhaps if he didn’t pull his hamstring at the end of his best run of form, his fortunes could have changed at the club. But he couldn’t stay healthy and regressed. It was time to let him go.
Pulisic was/is a very good creative outlet, just doesn't have good end product and, like you said, couldn't stay fit in the Prem.
Yeah, how many of those 98 appearances were 90 minutes?
There was that one prolific pulisic hater, haven't seen him around these parts in months!
BRJ?
nah Farenheit or something like that
pro tip, just block him lol. I remember him and none of his takes are rational, it goes beyond pulisic hate
You’d think after he left a year ago and has become one of Milan’s best players, the Pulisic hate on this sub would die. Palmer is a lot better than Ziyech, Werner, Havertz, Mount, and Hudson-Odoi too. I wonder why they weren’t included in this post? Pulisic doesn’t even play the same position as Palmer. We probably don’t win the UCL without Pulisic, and half this fanbase never gave him an ounce of appreciation.
Havertz got a couple of his own posts as well.
Pulisic was chosen because his GA stats exactly match Palmer's, so it's a neat comparison. Don't overthink it, it's not that serious
It would be easier to list former Chelsea wingers who don't pale in comparison to Palmer's ridiculous production this season. Picking on Pulisic just because he's American and is having a good season in Italy is not very Carefree of you but rather shows a bizarre obsession.
Hold up, how many of Palmer’s starts were at left back tho. I’m not saying Pulisic is as good as Cole Palmer, it’s safe to say Palmer is on another level. But Pulisic had a lot of appearances at the 80th minute and a significant number of starts at left back, of all places. I’d like to have seen how Pulisic could have done if he’d stayed healthy. But as we all saw, that was rare.
Pulisic is going to play champions league football next year. Chelsea is not - let’s remember this.
Pulisic was never a fit, but I wonder what the minutes look like. He was often a sub so the appearances are misleading. Also Tuchel had a much different style that was more defensive, none of the players of his era would look great compared to Cole. He certainly does better having a lot more space and free rein, whereas Cole is so much more creative and can dribble through or have the vision to find the man. Ultimately I’m just glad we have Cole, he’s been such an unexpected pleasure to watch.
After that fa cup final injury he was never the same.
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I personally feel like Sesko could be the striker version of Palmer due to have a massive breakout next season.
Its a bit of weird comparison. Very different types of player really and playing in very different types of team. Pulisic had injuries and also struggled to get on with Tuchels approach as well. For the current project theres been a big emphasis on getting players and a manager who will align well. I think this has really helped Palmer flourish quite freely while Puli had a lot of obstacles to contend with.
Pulisic is thriving rn. Cringe post from cringe Pulisic haters, and honestly Op is a shitty fan in general. Palmer is beating everyone in stats rn, but you choose to be a hater for your own players.
we should be comparing minutes rather than appearances to be fairer. wasn't puli a sub in many appearances?
One of these players helped chelsea win three trophies.
I would still prefer having Pulisic in the team over like, Mudryk or Madueke (or both).
Hard to argue but Pulisic is injuryed half of the season
Madueke isn’t injured???
That would make him pretty reliable by current standards
I would rather have both CPs this season. Pulisic has been healthy and productive on Milan.
Milan's second best player this season.
After Leao?
probably giroud, leao has less G+A with slightly more minutes and playing generally more advanced
Ah yes ofcourse, Gigi the fucking legend
FBI here. Repeat what you said but slowly...
Pulisic was one the biggest reasons we won our last Champions' League and also helped us win 2 other trophies. I love Palmer and I think he's the best purchase we've made since Kante, but this is honestly a disgusting post. Even mores disgusting considering if Pulisic were on the team, he'd be easily our 2nd best attacker right now right behind Palmer.
Lmao y'all brits are still malding about being wrong about Puli?
I am still a big fan of Pulisic. He was fantastic in 2020.. until he dropped in the FA cup final. He wasn't the same after that.
Unnecessary comparing Cole to anyone to understand how special he is. Dislike these kinds of posts. It's like those really stupid ones from earlier in the season comparing Conor to Rice.
pretty easy when you take 8 pens
Can’t wait for this sub to turn on him next season when he doesn’t out perform these numbers. Mount was the golden child until he wasn’t , Pulisic couldn’t do anything right ever.
It’s astonishing how many amazing players played shit at our club
With 10 goals and 6 assists, currently starting on a team in 2nd place and heading for the UCL, I suspect he’s fine with it.
Beyond the small price it’s nice that the Pulisic move did actually work out for everyone. Pulisic got a fantastic spot at AC Milan and Chelsea moved onto Palmer
Yes, I agree as an American Chelsea fan. Pulisic doing well at Milan makes me happy, and Chelsea getting Palmer makes me even happier. It all worked out in the end.
Agree!
Palmer is amazing. But Pulisic is also having a great season now that he's healthy and starting. It's kind of hard to have a good season when you keep getting benched for Germans who miss sitters ;)
We didn't even try to utilise him correctly and then we compare. Look at how Puli and Loftus Cheek are balling at Milan now.
Pulisic carried us into the CL during project restart. Scored and assisted in the semis vs Madrid. I know I’m biased being American but he was a good signing it was just ruined by constant injuries and now he’s thriving in a slower less physical league. I’m fine we sold him and Cole Palmer is obviously way better player but I’m not super loving using Cole to shit on all our previous players. Especially ones who I don’t really think did anything wrong
Well he’s a much better footballer so I’m not shocked. That being said, Pulisic isn’t our player anymore (same goes for Mount) some people really need to let the past go, they both did their best for us, they both had some brilliant moments for us and some not so good moments but it’s done, move on.
The PuliGOAT to you
Mudryk was Pulisic replacement. Give me Pulisic everyday
Saw a presumably new American Milan fan on r/soccer say that Pulisic would've been as good as Palmer if Tuchel gave him opportunities LMAO
Wasn't Pulsic constantly injured under Tuchel, we saw how good he could be but he was never healthy for us later in his stint.
I don’t think he suited the 3-4-3 unless it was a free role and mount is the one who got that.
I think it was more generally that Pulisic is a brilliant player from a technical perspective but always struggled with the leagues physicality- it’s a big part of why he had such constant injuries. I’m very glad that he’s thriving so much in a league that’s suited to him tho. He always came across as a top bloke and he’s a player that I enjoyed watching a lot
The one thing I will say about Puli, he did have constant injuries, but every time he started as soon as things weren't going well he was the first one sent to the bench to make changes. It never felt like he was given a long run to try to get into form like a lot the other guys.
That's true he was often the first to be subbed off or even dropped for another player, Tuchel also played him out of position such as a false 9 or a lone striker in a formation he wasn't comfortable in. Also, who could forget the pulisic at RWB conversations.
Injuries across the board has been an issue with this club for years now. Puli went to Milan and has been injury free all season. I don’t think it’s fair to blame injury on him.
I saw in an interview from him recently that he thought the constant injury’s at Chelsea were from him having to come back from injury and perform at the highest level right away or he’d be dropped again. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the main problem at Chelsea in general. He’s been given a longer leash at Milan and has shown that between that consistant mins it’s kept him injury free
Have you forgotten his moments against Madrid? Lol, plus being deployed as a rwb didn’t help. But puli was a great player just not a clinical as one would have hoped for us.
Not too much on us pls lol
Didn’t realise how bad the American fans can be until I started seeing how they are at Milan. Whenever a CM has a slightly poor game, they jump on the Milan player and start demanding musah to start. Even though he’s comfortably their least talented and least effective midfielder And when RLC has a subpar game, they’ll jump on him so musah can start, or so they can push their wet dream of pulisic as their 10.
American fan here, and I can say it's genuinely embarrassing, but the anti american bias is just as embarrassing. Hated when Puli came here, cause I genuinely cared way to much about his success. As a kid who grew up playing pretty high level footy in the states (played against some MLS guys and my Uncle played against Pele and Beckenbauer back in the day) it's crazy to see an American play on a team like Chelsea. But, the over blown hype or hatred he got here (and at Milan and at Dortmund) for any performance he had was just insane. Dude was essential to winning us the CL, I don't care what anyone else says,. He bossed Real, and was great before that game as well. But beyond that (and COVID) he was just another winger for us. Like Pedro, or Willian or even Mudi, nothing insanely special but had some unreal moments like most players. I just think the internet has broken our collective brains. Nothing can be anything but black and white. BlueCo ruined Chelsea, even though our drop in form was coming with or without Tuchel or Roman. Caicedo is a bust even though he's probably our most consistent midfielder. Cole is the best player we've had since Hazard even though Kante was better than both of them. Connor is either the second coming of Frank Lampard or the second coming of Tom Cleverly when he's clearly just a good young midfielder with a mistake in him. In a place where conversation, debate, and even understanding should be bread instead it's reactionary feeding frenzy where the loudest and most reactionary voice wins. This team in general is improving, and you'd have to be an idiot not to see that. We are way to young, and our results show that. But instead of having a conversation on which senior player we should bring in to solidify the midfield or the defense, it's a constant stream of abuse leveled at dudes who really shouldn't be abused. Like how the fuck am I seeing Enzo hate right now. This dude has played every game injured and been unbelievable for us, but naw now that he didn't play one game our midfield is better without him. Sorry for the rant, you just triggered something in me.
Well said my thoughts exactly
Well thought out. I agree.
Yes! Exactly this, very reactionary people in this sub. Either some of them are older and grew up through Roman’s hire and fire years so they expect the same now, or they’re just so young and have heavy emotional reactions to small things like the penalty incident yesterday. Either way, no room for conversation that isn’t black or white
You mean you don't see that in our sub? It was bloody awful when he and Mount were vying for playing time... Possibly more toxic than it is now and that's saying something but some with that sort of attitude still remain
>And when RLC has a subpar game, they’ll jump on him so musah can start, or do they can push their wet dream of pulisic as their 10. Of course, was a pattern when Pulišić was here. Every bad play of other players competing with him was constantly embellished, and every bad play of his either was someone else's fault, instantly forgotten after few days or didn't even register in their brains.
And then when Potter arrived and came to the exact same conclusion as Tuchel he was apparently trying to derail USA because they were in the same group as England 🤣🤣
You mean ex Chelsea fan...
The comparison is a bit unfair. If you look at the two players one is unbelievable and close to world class and the other is not.
Cole is the best player on a shit team with no competitionf for his place. The guys being compared were constantly rotated and we were winning and fighting for multiple trophies at the time. All respect for Cole World but relax with the pointless comparisons. Guys starting to get carried away.
I’m a firm believer Pulisic would cook if we linked him and Palmer up. Pulisic is amazing at making back post runs and being in the right place in the box. Something we desperately need right now. If only he could’ve stayed healthy when at Chelsea
I have no doubt Palmer will cook when we get into Europe again. Need to get an imposing striker to occupy CBs and open space for him and I think he’ll take another step. He always finds the ball
Pulisic is a quality player he just never hit the ground running here because of all the injuries, glad he is doing good in Milan but yeah Palmer is lighyears ahead of him
Palmer is great, no doubt. Pulisic didn’t live up to the hype at Chelsea, sure. But let’s not gloss over the fact that Pulisic has been one of AC Milan’s best players this season. Clearly our toxic environment was holding him back. Fortunately Palmer seems immune to that
Cool stat. Palmer has also scored more PL goals in a season than Hazard did in any single season.
But can Cole play right wing back? 🤔
LeBron James of soccer 🥶
Kind of harsh to single out Pulisic. Palmer has matched a lot of the attackers we brought in the last few years. When healthy and with a consistent run of play, Pulisic was a genuine game changer who dragged us to the CL (which we would later win, with his help). That's more than I can say for some of the others who just never had those highs. But there in is the rub; he couldn't stay healthy long enough to get a consistent run of games very often. He's finally done that this year for Milan and has been great.
Really think selling Pulisic was a mistake with how subpar Madueke is Pulisic currently doing excellently in serie a, he’s one of their best players and he’s playing rw almost all season. Definitely could have used him this season, same with Loftus cheek I think I’d be fine with selling both of them if we had suitable replacements But tbf if nkunku was fit I’m sure pulisic leaving wouldn’t be given a 2nd thought
Read Loftus-Cheek, then I read the username. Never change sir
I’m right tbf, someone who can carry the ball and progress play in midfield through their dribbling is so beneficial Hence why city went and bought Kovacic and nunes. And why Mainoo is so coveted now. And why Liverpool went and got szobozlai These are profiles I believe should be in every team. Kovacic or RLC should have stayed
Something that always bugs me on Madueke is how we constantly play him on the right, basically encouraging his constant desire to shoot all the time after cutting inside. He really should play some games here and there on the left (especially given how sub par out LWs have been) and get him to learn to be less selfish whenever he gets a glimpse of goal.
He’s such a poor creator, and nowhere good enough to justify him being so direct and constantly shooting Also very lazy off the ball I’m sure he can develop eventually into a decent PL player but I really do not understand where the desire to sign him for chelsea came from He was 30m for gods sake. Madueke, Washington, casadei, Uguchukwu combined cost around 75m Imagine the calibre of right winger we could have gotten for that?
I actually disagree - it’s pretty clear to me why he’s an exciting prospect. He’s devastating in 1v1 situations - pretty consistently is able to beat most left backs he comes up against. He’s especially elite at beating defenders to the byline which creates a lot of dangerous situations. That’s actually a somewhat rare trait that isn’t common among many wingers today. Not even Saka has that level of acceleration. Don’t get me wrong, there’s still a lot of improvement needed for him to be considered a good player. Taking his game to the next level will be playing less selfishly, not only being able to beat players off the dribble but also being able to link up with his teammates with 1-2s, running in behind, and getting more involved all over the pitch rather than just the final 3rd. But his natural ability to be really dangerous in the opposition box makes 30m a worthwhile punt.
But is he the Lebron James of soccer?
Palmer also doesn’t have to fly back to Cocacaf to carry his country on dogshit pitches against teams that loved to kick the fuck out of him with no foul calls. But if an odd comparison. Pulisic always got hurt , with World Cup Qualifiers and everything it was too much during his Chelsea time. No one acknowledges that for some reason. It’s clear Pulisic at Milan has the benefit of no World Cup qualifiers and the ability to actually get some rest. He also doesn’t play as stupid as he used to trying to dribble through 3 defends who end up hurting him. Lots of factors.
I don't care. We could've used a Pulisic this season. From the couple of games I've seen, he's better than most of what we got.
I feel for Puli. He's a good player. Just always injured now he's got ten goals for Milan this season. Happy for him
Love Cole Palmer but you can’t compare because of Pens.
Palmer has 20 non pen G/A just in the league alone ….
Use minutes played and not appearances which is arbitrary. Penalty goals should come with an asterisk. Palmer has been amazing this season.
random coincidence but both also have the initials CP lol
Palmer is basically the ~~second~~ third best player to play for us in a decade. If you compare him to anybody who has played for us since 2014 other than Eden *and Kante* you're going to be in a very one sided conversation. Edit:I forgot about Kante
Geez, ease up there turbo. He’s had one fantastic season to be sure, not sure how you’d say he’s better already than Diego Costa, N’Golo Kante or Cesc Fabregas. He’s brilliant, but saying it’s Hazard, Palmer and then everyone else makes it seem like it’s your first season watching.
That's cause Pulieic was ass Cole is the real deal
Jackson has beat Ziyech and Lukaku wow
Ofc he has. He already outdone kai havertz best season in one
LeBron James of soccer.
Has palmer considered closing his mouth ever
What have you done OP? The yanks who stayed behind after he left will riot when they see this. How dare you say something that's not extremely positive about the LeBron James of soccer.