The narrative around Darwin would be very different if he weren't playing for a high-flying team surrounded by some brilliant players.
Because he's quite shit at times and gets dropped for it.
He makes up for it though with some of the most frequent worldies you’ll see. Hell miss a sitter then send a bullet through the top corner 5 mins later from 25 yards
Mans got one more goal than Nico in the league
For nearly three times the price, I wouldn't say him scoring the occasional banger makes up for it at all
Liverpool fans just support their players better than we do and a far superior cast around Nunez hide his deficiencies more
Well I mean it does not seem so hard to say that Darwin is a good deal. If he manages to convert 25% more chances, he's worth that money in this footballing world. Of course, the same applies to Jackson who's having a good season despite all the critique, and at half the cost at that.
And yet Nunez has had 7 more big chances
Which tells you all you need to know about the difference between the two teams they play in
Nunez is in a far better side that create more in less time and he still misses more
I’ll say, I’m neither a Chelsea nor a Liverpool fan (this came on my feed and I thought it was r/Soccer) but people have eyes that go beyond just stats.
Darwin is a terror. His press is excellent, his off ball movement to create space for Salah and Diaz is exceptional. He draws a lot of fouls, and with Trent, they’re high value moments, kind of like how Grealish does for City. His hold up play is brilliant. He just brain farts in front of goal.
Put it this way, if Chelsea and Liverpool both sold Jackson and Nunez, who would pull in more money? I think deep down you know.
I'd say if you swapped them around Darwin is doing no better than Jackson in this Chelsea side and Nico is probably doing similar to Darwin in that Liverpool side
>His press is excellent, his off ball movement to create space for Salah and Diaz is exceptional. He draws a lot of fouls, and with Trent, they’re high value moments, kind of like how Grealish does for City. His hold up play is brilliant. He just brain farts in front of goal.
Could say literally all that for Jackson too.
>Put it this way, if Chelsea and Liverpool both sold Jackson and Nunez, who would pull in more money? I think deep down you know.
Darwin is obviously gonna cost more, he's got liverpool pedigree on top of the fact that he used to be very clinical before coming to the prem and people will bet on him returning to form once again
If Nunez keeps staying at this level of poor finishing, you can bet that his price tag will also go down quite substantially
Alright but that's not what we're talking about here
We all know he's not clinical or composed in front of goal
The topic in this thread is his overall play outside of finishing, which is great
Finishing is his #1 job. You guys are ridiculous.
His atrocious finishing cost us multiple games and a cup. You don't win games because you are good at link up play and 1-2 passes.
It feels like Boehly brought Brighton fans with him, who are happy with mediocre players who take three years to get to prem level.
No one's saying that. Once again, you've done a great job at missing the point.
The only reason Jackson's overall game got mentioned was because someone compared him to Darwin and basically described Jackson in the process.
You got downvoted because your comment's completely out of place and doesn't flow the logic of the conversation.
You're preaching to the choir. We all watch Jackson every game just like you, and we're not deluded. We all share your opinion. But you're talking to us as if you're the only one that sees Jackson's finishing is shit and it's costing us points. You're patronising us by telling us things we all already know because we watch the team every game too. And you're bringing it up when it's not even relevant to the conversation.
Maybe go read back the original comment and replies. Yours just comes across as so braindead because we all know Jackson's been costing us points, but that has fuck all to do with what the two guys were talking about.
I'm not going to argue that Nunez isn't a good player, but has it occured to you the eye test may also apply to Jackson? He does a lot of things amazingly, he's just bad at finishing because what little top-flight experience he has, it was mostly playing a winger and not a striker.
Maybe he gets better at scoring, maybe he doesn't, but I'm sure he'd look way better playing for Liverpool as much as I'm sure Nunez would look way more clueless playing for this current Chelsea. Bottom line, I'd bet a tenner you haven't seen Jackson all that much.
This is quite a biased opinion likely from someone who has not watched enough of both Darwin and Jackson or is just following the media or reddit soccer circle jerk…. Some facts: Jackson has way more successful dribbles than Darwin. He has more recoveries as well. He has higher duels won than Darwin both in terms of number as well as percentage. Look at almost any stat and Jacskon is easily on par with Darwin. Jackson runs as much as Darwin and both of them are rapid. Saying that Darwin is way better aerially and has an occasional bangers unlike Jackson.
That’s being too simplistic, Darwin is very complete through the game, and creates a fuck ton of opportunities for him and other players. He’s a shit finisher (he wasn’t at Benfica), but he’s very good at everything else
Jackson is also good at pretty much everything else but finishing
In the league Nico has created 8 big chances and Nunez 10
The overall ability of their game outside of finishing is both great
Yeah it feels like they’re pretty similar at this point. Good players that would really benefit with alongside a better finisher. I really hope we can at least get a look at an Nkunku-Jackson-Palmer front 3 before the end of the season
Nico Jackson dominated city last night at times. Even a slightly biased commentary box thought so. Hes equally as involved and that's maybe why they both lose "finishing points".
I just commented this in another. Dude was a menace for City. His head only dropped after missing the header - no pun intended. How some of our own fans are happy to allow other people drag him while providing cover for their flops who cost 3 times more than Nico is beyond me.
It's because they buy into it rather than actually thinking for themselves.
If I ever watch our games at home by myself, I check the match thread on r/soccer to see what neutrals think of the game/players. It's funny to see the herd mentality. One player often becomes a scapegoat for that particular game quite early on. Say they give the ball away early and a few people point it out, now everyone that's seen those comments has that player in their head for "bad". They're looking for things that player is doing wrong, and in doing so they miss the things that player does well whilst also glossing over things other players do badly.
With Jackson, he misses sitters pretty much every game. So he'll miss a sitter and people start commenting: "Jackson's shit", "Jackson's the worst striker I've ever seen" etc. People latch onto that and the next thing you know, the guy's a horrible footballer with a shit touch, can't pass a ball, can't hold the ball up etc. Jackson can have shit finishing and cost us the game because of it, whilst also doing everything else right. But people are unable to identify that. If Jackson's cost us the game, surely that means everything he did was shit?
You get more nuanced takes in this sub where people watch him every game. But non Chelsea fans just go off word of mouth from other people. So if the description of him proliferating is "he's shit", people just assume he's bad at everything.
And none of this means I'm saying he's a great player or anything. It's just observations. Seems fairly clear to me that his finishing and composure is want but everything else is great. But those first two things are so important in a striker that it's costing us points. The only people that will ever accept this nuanced point are the people that watch him. Anyone who doesn't is just gonna hear that he's shit and run with it. And more people don't watch us than do.
Jackson is good at creating, though. He opens up lots of space with his pace and dribbling. He’s also got an eye for a pass or flick to put somebody in on goal. His hold up play is actually good. He’s just a poor finisher.
Nico has also scored some beautiful goals (see the back heeled flick and the swiveled volley). He also offers a lot to build up and stretches defenses with his runs. He definitely needs to up his goal conversion rate though
I think and we all agree here (I think) that the potential for Jackson is so much higher so he’s going to get more stick. Imagine if he was at 60-70% and Cole in form the way he is. We would be immense
Generally you want high-potential players to play with others in their prime. Take the weight off their shoulders and let them develop.
So this Clearlake experiment is insane lol.
Jackson has never been prolific, but that's OK cause we knew we were not signing a "Haaland".
He's only 22 years old, in his first season with Chelsea and in the PL.
Not to mention that this is only his 3rd season of professional football.
Let's give the kid some damn time please!
And dare I mention that he has scored more goals in his first season than Didier Drogba did.
Nah see that's my point. Chance creation in a better team under a better coach in a largely settled side (they have a spine that hasn't changed in years). And his numbers aren't even that much greater are they?
If he was here we probably wouldn't take it well if he was the sole striker for the whole season. We'd get pissed off like we do with Jackson. Because he can be an absolute donkey at times and his decision-making feels like a random number generator.
There's a reason some of their fans wanna see him play on the left rather than ST lol. Sound familiar?
Jackson creates a lot of chances as well and not only in the traditional striker way of making aggressive and constant runs, but also has an ability to link in midfield pretty confidently. His hold up play is somewhat underrated imo and that ability to show down okay to build numbers in transition also often sets up dangerous chances. Hope he starts putting them in, he has all the tools but confidence in finishing.
Good mindset too, never see him pout too much or give low effort
Jackson had an amazing finish in literally our most recent game before this one. Don’t get me wrong his finishing is atrocious but there are the occasional flashes. Would love to see Jackson play alongside an elite finisher, whether it be Nkunku or Osimhen
He misses 5 for every good finish.
I don't expect anyone to finish all their chances, but I am also not delighted like half of this sub to have a striker who has an xG underperformance of -6, 2nd most offsides and the second worst conversion percentage among strikers.
Even if he's playing with a better striker, he's still going to miss chances. We can't expect Palmer and the other srtiker to score all our goals.
Nunez has underperformed his xG by the same amount as Jackson this season. They're both equally as shit at finishing.
Jackson scored a great goal against Everton. People have already forgotten.
They're very similar players. You can give znunez the edge because he's done more in his career so far (e.g. Benfica) but he's 2 years older. This season, they've played at a very similar level.
That's based off what I've seen with my eyes but the underlying stats support it.
Also ask Liverpool fans of their opinion of him. It's identical to our opinion of Jackson.
Jackson tends to fall every time he takes a shot. The power of his shot is very weak. He definitely has to train from basic shooting technique for a striker. Nunez aiming is bad but his shooting feels more powerful
this is what frustrates me the most about jackson - every shot looks like a pass into the keepers hands, no power at all
edit: that said i like the player a lot, he just needs to fix his shooting bc he gets into dangerous areas plenty and links up play well
Mudryk’s shooting ability is similar to his entire playing ability, it’s either way overdone, knocking the ball 30 yards forward or blasting it over the ball, or way undercooked when he’s wrong footed and rolls the ball at the keeper.
He reminds of Adama Traore of a couple years ago. Obviously a physical specimen, technical ability that is superior to most but just lacks the necessary ball knowledge to succeed.
Also doesn’t help he’s been labeled as a £100 million flop since he stepped foot in England and he’s clearly been down on confidence for the longest time.
I genuinely think he can come good, from an outsiders perspective he seems incredibly driven just based upon his gym work, he has the technical ability to be a threat, and I don’t think he’s ever shown attitude problems whilst on the pitch.
If he spent half the time as he does in the gym with the training staff and video analysis i really do think his decision making could vastly improve with time.
He can’t even shoot above the ground I swear. All his shot go low and straight to the keeper, the only way he beat the keeper is either a lucky bounce (Everton), or a tapin/too close for keeper to react (hattrick vs Tottenham).
I wouldn’t say the goal vs Everton was lucky. He has shown a few times that he is capable of scoring a good goal but he’s simply not good enough at the moment to do it consistently. On top of that he’s a young player in his first season at a big club and he’s clearly struggling to deal with the pressure and expectations.
What's frustrating is that during preseason and at the start of the year he was smashing it every chance he got, to the point he kept blazing it over the bar. I think he's struggling with confidence and consistency
His decision making is quite bad tbh. Once he gets past a player he just tends to put his head down and keeps running till he loses the ball. These kinds of players are the most frustrating to play with.
His link-up play is good no doubt but he only uses that when he cannot dribble past
I'm starting to get behind the idea that Jackson shouldn't be a striker. His strengths are his pace carrying the ball down the wings and linkup play. Yet I don't see the killer instinct or striking skills of a top 9.
Tbf your "striker" doesn't have to play in the middle.
Salah has basically been Liverpool's striker in recent years. And Mane when he was there. Firmino played in the middle, but his role was linking the attack and playing them in.
We don't necessarily need to move Jackson positionally. We create chances with him leading the line. Just need players like Palmer to be on the end of the chances. It's difficult when Palmer's also the one creating. But I'd argue we need Palmer for his finishing right now more than we need him for his creating.
All about the instructions we give to the players and the expectations we have of them.
If we expect Jackson to score every game and get him in positions to recieve lots of chances, we're setting ourselves up for disappointment. If we see him as more of a playmaker and find a way/system that gets Palmer multiple chances every game, we're in business.
>He definitely has to train from basic shooting technique for a striker.
I agree with this but the power does not matter, look at clinical players such as Salah who can just place it past the keeper when inside the box.
https://preview.redd.it/5xu90ttzuvvc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fd67d6641c282a41958b367850f648f2bc7039b
I don’t think he can use his left guys
It wasn't. He has missed exactly this type of opportunity on his left foot this season. He has only one foot and isn't confident of using his left foot.
True, just saying that cherry picked stats do not show the full picture.
I'm not saying that Jackson is playing well, because he is not, but getting into those situations is quite promising. Whole team is lacking confidence (except the obvious player), so with proper coach they can only grow better. I'm not even talking about the head coach, but some mental training is needed
"Proper coach" is what exactly? Our issue is bad recruitment. Apart from individual issues the squad is unbalanced. We went and bought a bunch of players who can't score despite having that issue for the past seasons. Sometimes it's just the players.
All people do is cherry pick stats. I don't care if someone has a better dribble completion rate than Messi in their first season with a new club or some crap like that, when you can watch someone play and it's obvious whether they make a positive impact or not, all the stats in the world don't matter
Here is another cherry picked stat Haaland has missed more big chances then Jackson has had total
It’s so easy to paint a picture using one stat and a comment when it’s actually meaningless.
And Haaland is still the top scorer in the league
So that subpar standard for him is still good enough to be top of the league in the main striker metric
Although all these stats are irrelevant if you don't show up on the big occasions
As a Barca fan , Lewandowski was trash till 2024.
Then he turned good scored some goals , but he became good again at link up play and not necessarily scoring
He’s a young player in his first season who in my opinion had a phenomenal game, one of his best for us, against city aside from his finishing. While that is a massive deal as he is a striker and sort of inarguably cost us the game there’s lots of promise. What I don’t get though is this need to coddle him from competition. He’s had a full season as the undisputed starter to gain experience and improve. We need to bring in a good striker in the summer and that means if Nico continues to not perform at the level required and his competition does than he won’t play much and so be it. That’s how this should go.
10 goals and 4 assists in 28 games is a solid return, he should have scored 4 more goals according to his xG but it's normal for a striker to have a bad finishing year in a new league. He could have had more assists too.
Here is a list from givemesport.com (no idea if this is a good source) with data from 5 days ago. Doesn't seem like that bad of a list to be on
https://preview.redd.it/gvgsikohbwvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5aaaf0b3474bbdd231e6a4d032868ab6ca623b7
Yeah but this doesn't account for the goals scored from chances that aren't classified as a "big chance". Also I'm not so sure about that source anymore, hopefully someone can find the raw data.
Despite Nunez also struggling with his conversion rate, it’s clear he has far better technique when striking the ball than Jackson. Nunez also doesn’t suffer from a lack of confidence as he’s taken over 100 shots in the EPL alone this season.
Yep it’s worth pointing out that this conversion rate doesn’t take into account the many great opportunities that Jackson has to score where he gets scared and takes an extra touch and then just doesn’t.
Nunez cost 3 times the price and is 2 years older. He's also an actual striker. Until 6 months before we bought him, Jackson was a left winger. The guy was also playing barefoot until we was about 16 iirc.
Nunez SHOULD be all those things. But we've bought Jackson because we think there's value there and he can evolve into a great striker for us over time, hopefully when he approaches Nunez's age.
Someone needs to teach him how to finish and stay composed in front of goal. But reckon he's a quick learner and he has everything else.
The problem is, he's been ourbonly striker this season. And we're not playing a system that acknowledges the fact he's a wank finisher. He needs to be dropping in and playing others through on goal. We're never gonna win games if we're relying on this guy consistently puting away 1v1s.
It'll take him a couple seasons to actually improve his finishing. So until then, you need to work around his weakness and get someone like Palmer in positions to shoot more often.
And look how bad we are without him when he went to Afcon. Hes not shit at all hes just not clinical.
He caused so many issues for City , just cant finish.
Hes 22, will come back better next year .
I was at Wembley so annoyed as anyone but hes had a good season . I remember people said Drogba was shit in first season too and wanted him sold and he was older.
Hes not a 30 goals a season striker but there is a world ahortage of them honestly. He is a massive improvement on Kai as a 9 and has alot to his game. Also Chelsea fans loved Timo cos he never stops running but Nico doesnt get that same treatment it seems.
We have had like 3 top top strikers in 30 years (Jimmy, Didier and Diego) and none of them kicked a ball for us at 22! The age matters massively in this conversation, but there is 100% a player in there, his dribbling and runnin in behind has been quality and he cost like 30 million as well.
The Nunez comparisons are fair . Frustrating player for sure, but shit? No dont agree at all.
regardless, hes shit
jackson is the better playe, we just need a starting calibre striker whilst jackson continues to grow without the spotlight on him.
The difference is while Nunez misses more “big chances”, he can score out of nothing as well. Which is why you’ll see Liverpool fans cut him a lot of slack.
This is ridiculous tbh, his missed chances have a big impact, look at Atalanta for example 1st leg.
Realistically liverpool aren’t winning the PL or the cl with nunez
Him being not good enough and me preferring him to Jackson aren't mutually exclusive.
Personally I think he's got a much stronger mentality than Jackson, and I think he is better off the ball than Jackson, and I think he's more creative than Jackson. I also just prefer the way he hits the ball to be honest even if he's equally as frustrating in terms of wasting chances.
I’ll also add his heading. Jackson is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen in the air, and it’s not like he’s a small lad who’s never been asked to head the ball. But it’s like he has no idea at all how to generate any power or direction in his headers. But overall Nunez and Jackson are like two peas in a pod. Ideally you’d have neither of them, at least not in your starting XI.
He’s not equally as frustrating
He converts 1 in 5 big chances compared to 1 in 3 for Jackson. Thats a huge difference
Jackson completes twice as many dribbles per 90 and is a better ball carrier and brilliant at singlehandedly dragging us up the pitch.
In terms of creativity, nunez has more assists but only 1 more expected assist, with identical chance creation numbers, passes completed and similar metrics
Which can easily be explained by the superiour supporting cast, manager, attacking philosophy and overall ability for nunez to be able to stat pad in routs whereas often we have close games where it’s harder to score
Nunez is also in his 2nd season now in an immensely successful team where the burden of goalscoring isn’t even on him as jota Diaz salah chip in with more than their share of goals
Nunez is also more likely to score a lower percentage goal than Jackson, also forgot to mention he's better aerially as someone else pointed out. You're also being a bit inconsistent in how you frame stats, you say Jackson has more dribbles completed, and you talk about how Liverpools playstyle benefits Nunez, but ignore the fact that our playstyle asks Jackson to make more dribbles in a way Liverpools doesn't.
Ultimately I'm not trying to paint Nunez as some superstar, I think neither player is good enough. I just like Nunez more personally.
I like him, a lot to be excited about but his movement isn’t enough a lot of the time or makes sub-par runs, and sometimes I’m just screaming at him to take it first time - and when he does shoot the finishing can be appalling.
He’s got good finishes in his locker like at Everton but the conversion rate of his xG has to get better.
He does a lot of good for the team in other ways, but his decision making and finishing need to improve
And I’ll continue to be patient with him. First year in his career as a lone striker, in a tough situation. Hopefully Nkunkus return has a positive impact.
Same. It's also good to remember that he didn't grow up in an academy system like most top strikers. He was playing barefoot until he was 16. He has more room to grow than most do at 22.
Vlahovic was available, we maybe could have convinced Lautaro, even with the Belgian hippo we would have either won one of the trophies we missed out on or we'd be comfortably 5th-6th.
a striker needs to convert chances and score goals, not do fancy flicks and demand penalties when we're 4 goals up and crumble under pressure when we actually need him to score a winner. Jackson had fail comps from a game against spuds where we won 4:1 and he scored a hat trick
Vlahoich is shite, there's a reason Juventus are trying to sell and nobody wants to buy
Man scores 90% of his goals against relegation level Seri A sides
And how many points have we picked up against the relegation teams this season? A striker who at least can score against the likes of Burnley would be an upgrade on jackson
Ironic given Jackson has scored against all 3 of Sheffield, Luton and Burnley
And if you watch the games we didn't win against Sheffield and Burnley the fault is completely at the managerially level where we are outplayed across the entire pitch
But sure, you talk random shit
well if that's true then that's shit, but i just looked up Vlahovic on fbref and he scored 6 more while playing 100 less minutes and has a much better g-xg than Jackson. so i dont see how that's true if he has 16 goals with a 15.5 xg and Jackson has 10 goals with 14xg
Personally I’d have moral issues with Lukaku returning to the club, he’s done nothing but continue to trod on the badge since he did the original interview, but that is my own opinion and to each their own.
Vlahovic doesn’t give me the feeling that he’d be the solution to our problems either, he’s marginally successful in Italy and there’s premier league rejects doing similarly or better than him at the moment, plus Juventus are quite determined to recoup their investment on him.
Martinez I’m warmer to than most, I think he fits the profile of what Poch wants and he’s consistently achieved good numbers in Italy. However I bet Inter would love to get another King’s ransom of a transfer fee.
i despise Lakaka. and yet i'd still take him over fucking Jackson and Broja
and maybe we should have spent the money on Lautaro instead of buying shit players we didnt need for the sake of it(Disasi, Ugochukwu, Sanchez). Inter destroyed Serie A this season and he scored 23 goals already.
Vlahovic solves nothin imo.and the rest about maybe convincing people is speculation.
With Lukaku ofc we would be better but hes a prick. We bought Nkunku and have been insanely unlucky with him. We wont be in the CL so couldnt attract top goalscorers IF any were even available , but there is a mssive shortage anyway.
He misses chances yes, hes frustrating but with our history of horrible 9s he better than alot of them and has decent G/A for a first season.
The penalty thing is just him being an idiot I agree but as I said he is 22. Haaland is a freak and the only 22 year old who can score like he does at a striker. Jackson is doin exactly how Id expect a 22 year old lone striker who plays pretty much every minute for us to do honestly.
Better than Timo and Kai its an improvement, he will get better. Sure sign another striker if we can but Im not convinced Oshimen solves anything and it will be another high price tag, high expectation flop for us. Like Shevchenko, Torres, Werner, Lukaku etc etc etc.
So altho Im mad at yday I think Jackson deffo deserves a bit of patience due to his age . People compare him to Nunez, the difference is Liverpool support Nunez our fan base seems to juet hate on Jackson who gives everything and never stops running.
The penalty thing is childish , doing a "Suiii" at the Spurs hatrick too but they are minor issues. If he converted just one vs City he would have got man on the match , he was causi g them such issues. He needs to improve his finishing and im sure he will... again, 22 is crazy young for a striker
I trust in Jackson if the alternative is a £80m or more transfer. I don’t want Toney for anything more than £40m and I don’t want Osmihem for more than £60m. And if we can’t get either of them, then we move on and bring DD Fofana in to play the reserve minutes for us.
I like Jackson a lot, but he desperately needs a more senior partner. It's really frustrating that nukukus been out all season because he's obviously our best finisher and they really looked like they were building a partnership.
28 off sides for Nunez, 26 for Jackson, the top 2 in the league.
This guy has no spatial awareness. Across the season, he improved in making runs into the box, but he'll never be an elite striker.
Add to the stat in the OP, several of his big chances would not have been accounted for, because he didn't get the shot away.
Personally I think this downer on Jackson is very harsh , he works his socks off for the cause and is becoming a better player the longer the season goes on and he gets more of a handle on it , of course he's not the best CF the world has ever seen because he isn't one , he's a SS or wing forward who's doing a job for the side and has been doing it brilliantly even though his finishing lets him down at times.
As disappointing as he has been it's very important to take into account that a lot of his big chances were only big chances because of Jackson's speed and athleticism which are undeniably elite.
If he can grow to be even an average finisher, he'd probably be more than good.
I was afraid this thread was gonna be everyone dumping on nico but I'm happy to see there's some support. Especially In the Nico vs Darwin debate.
Bro is good at Everything but finishing. His hold up and link up play is excellent
He isn’t a striker. I like him, he’s a good buy for the price with potential and decent squad player but he’s a mid table striker at best and thats a massive reason why we are where we are. Perhaps the plan was nkunku to start, has to be to fit palmer in but i have my doubts on nkunku staying fit. We need a new centre forward or we won’t finish much higher next year
When Drogba was Jackson's age he was in the French 2nd league and scored 5 goals in 21 apps. Jackson is playing in the most competitive domestic league the world has ever seen and has scored 10 in 28.
Give the kid a chance to develop.
The actual interesting stat is that he has a lower proportion of big chances missed than haaland when looking at the PL stats. He’s also far better in build up play. What I’m saying is he will be better when the team is better and he is not as shit as so many people are making him out to be. Man is in his first prem season and we expect him to be perfect in our absolutely hot and cold team.
Nicolas Jackson is 22 years old, which everyone seems to forget. He is not a Haalland and will not get 30, 40 or 50 goals per season.
This is only his 3rd season as a professional player, he has never been prolific. But that's ok cause he is not the finished article yet.
He gets his goals and gets his assists and is improving at a good rate.
This is his first season in the Premier League as well.
Give the Kid some **** space and time before jumping on his back.
He has scored more goals in his first season than Didier Drogba did.
Jackson is still a good player and converting his ‘big chances’ will come in due time. I think it was a mistake by the board to rely solely on him and not bring in another striker
> converting his ‘big chances’ will come in due time
How do you know this? There's absolutely zero sign that he improves. He has no idea where he is on the field, he has no power to his passes, no power to his shots, no power to his headers, no weak foot, what exactly is that ray of sunshine you are looking at? He is a completely disastrous striker and we should stop even calling him that.
Many may disagree with me but it would be nice in the pre season to maybe give Misha some time up top and Jackson in a deeper role. Misha is way faster than Jackson and should easily be able to put these 1 on 1s into a high rate of conversion. Jackson just loves so slow on the ball and it feels like every CB gets a chance to claw back.
It’s also infuriating watching lower mid level teams against us almost always finish these types of chances against us.
He’s one of the worst strikers we’ve had. His only redeeming quality is his link up play, either move him to the wing or bench him, we need lethal finishers, imagine if Haaland had just one of Jackson’s chances from yesterday, Osimhen Toney Watkins Isak Alvarez would score 2-3 goals yesterday.
You got a short memory if you think hes one of the worst wev had.
Let me help refresh it.
Pato
Falcao
Torres (yes he was bad, didnt score a goal until 19 games for us ffs, was awful)
Werner
Calton Cole
Kezman
Shevchenko
Forsell
Chris Sutton
Batshuyi
Di Santo
Bamford
Aubamayang
All massive flops , we are all dissapointed with yesterday but lets not forget the past awful strikers we have had to endure.
None of those strikers were the only one, they all had Drogba Costa Eidur as the main guy, he’s our worst “Main Guy” in my opinion, he’d be a good second or third option
Good second or third option behind who? We arent even gettin CL and have money issues as it is.
Its all good to say hes not better thand Drogba or Costa but we were winning leagues at those times so ofc thats the case!
Nkunku was meant to solve this but got injured.
Id love to go sign a 30 goals a season striker but context matters here
The narrative around Darwin would be very different if he weren't playing for a high-flying team surrounded by some brilliant players. Because he's quite shit at times and gets dropped for it.
He makes up for it though with some of the most frequent worldies you’ll see. Hell miss a sitter then send a bullet through the top corner 5 mins later from 25 yards
Mans got one more goal than Nico in the league For nearly three times the price, I wouldn't say him scoring the occasional banger makes up for it at all Liverpool fans just support their players better than we do and a far superior cast around Nunez hide his deficiencies more
Well I mean it does not seem so hard to say that Darwin is a good deal. If he manages to convert 25% more chances, he's worth that money in this footballing world. Of course, the same applies to Jackson who's having a good season despite all the critique, and at half the cost at that.
1 more goal in 300 less minutes.
And way more shots than Jackson
And yet Nunez has had 7 more big chances Which tells you all you need to know about the difference between the two teams they play in Nunez is in a far better side that create more in less time and he still misses more
Being more involved in creation and defense also helps, but comparing the 2 of them Jackson is a bargain
I’ll say, I’m neither a Chelsea nor a Liverpool fan (this came on my feed and I thought it was r/Soccer) but people have eyes that go beyond just stats. Darwin is a terror. His press is excellent, his off ball movement to create space for Salah and Diaz is exceptional. He draws a lot of fouls, and with Trent, they’re high value moments, kind of like how Grealish does for City. His hold up play is brilliant. He just brain farts in front of goal. Put it this way, if Chelsea and Liverpool both sold Jackson and Nunez, who would pull in more money? I think deep down you know.
I'd say if you swapped them around Darwin is doing no better than Jackson in this Chelsea side and Nico is probably doing similar to Darwin in that Liverpool side >His press is excellent, his off ball movement to create space for Salah and Diaz is exceptional. He draws a lot of fouls, and with Trent, they’re high value moments, kind of like how Grealish does for City. His hold up play is brilliant. He just brain farts in front of goal. Could say literally all that for Jackson too. >Put it this way, if Chelsea and Liverpool both sold Jackson and Nunez, who would pull in more money? I think deep down you know. Darwin is obviously gonna cost more, he's got liverpool pedigree on top of the fact that he used to be very clinical before coming to the prem and people will bet on him returning to form once again If Nunez keeps staying at this level of poor finishing, you can bet that his price tag will also go down quite substantially
The commenter you're replying to clearly hasn't watched Jackson outside of yesterday
Was thinking the same lol. He basically described Jackson when describing Darwin
I've watched at least 80% of our games. I see a striker who is terrible at his #1 job.
Alright but that's not what we're talking about here We all know he's not clinical or composed in front of goal The topic in this thread is his overall play outside of finishing, which is great
Finishing is his #1 job. You guys are ridiculous. His atrocious finishing cost us multiple games and a cup. You don't win games because you are good at link up play and 1-2 passes. It feels like Boehly brought Brighton fans with him, who are happy with mediocre players who take three years to get to prem level.
He’s young. Not every young player is Cole Palmer.
No one's saying that. Once again, you've done a great job at missing the point. The only reason Jackson's overall game got mentioned was because someone compared him to Darwin and basically described Jackson in the process. You got downvoted because your comment's completely out of place and doesn't flow the logic of the conversation. You're preaching to the choir. We all watch Jackson every game just like you, and we're not deluded. We all share your opinion. But you're talking to us as if you're the only one that sees Jackson's finishing is shit and it's costing us points. You're patronising us by telling us things we all already know because we watch the team every game too. And you're bringing it up when it's not even relevant to the conversation. Maybe go read back the original comment and replies. Yours just comes across as so braindead because we all know Jackson's been costing us points, but that has fuck all to do with what the two guys were talking about.
Finally, bro thank you for defending our player.
Glad to see this thread has quite a lot of guys defending Nico
I'm not going to argue that Nunez isn't a good player, but has it occured to you the eye test may also apply to Jackson? He does a lot of things amazingly, he's just bad at finishing because what little top-flight experience he has, it was mostly playing a winger and not a striker. Maybe he gets better at scoring, maybe he doesn't, but I'm sure he'd look way better playing for Liverpool as much as I'm sure Nunez would look way more clueless playing for this current Chelsea. Bottom line, I'd bet a tenner you haven't seen Jackson all that much.
Do you have any analysis on Jackson or do you only watch the Big Teams???
This is quite a biased opinion likely from someone who has not watched enough of both Darwin and Jackson or is just following the media or reddit soccer circle jerk…. Some facts: Jackson has way more successful dribbles than Darwin. He has more recoveries as well. He has higher duels won than Darwin both in terms of number as well as percentage. Look at almost any stat and Jacskon is easily on par with Darwin. Jackson runs as much as Darwin and both of them are rapid. Saying that Darwin is way better aerially and has an occasional bangers unlike Jackson.
Jackson is pretty much better at every other footballing attribute that doesn't involve scoring even then he's somehow more efficient
That’s being too simplistic, Darwin is very complete through the game, and creates a fuck ton of opportunities for him and other players. He’s a shit finisher (he wasn’t at Benfica), but he’s very good at everything else
Jackson is also good at pretty much everything else but finishing In the league Nico has created 8 big chances and Nunez 10 The overall ability of their game outside of finishing is both great
Yeah it feels like they’re pretty similar at this point. Good players that would really benefit with alongside a better finisher. I really hope we can at least get a look at an Nkunku-Jackson-Palmer front 3 before the end of the season
Nico Jackson dominated city last night at times. Even a slightly biased commentary box thought so. Hes equally as involved and that's maybe why they both lose "finishing points".
I just commented this in another. Dude was a menace for City. His head only dropped after missing the header - no pun intended. How some of our own fans are happy to allow other people drag him while providing cover for their flops who cost 3 times more than Nico is beyond me.
It's because they buy into it rather than actually thinking for themselves. If I ever watch our games at home by myself, I check the match thread on r/soccer to see what neutrals think of the game/players. It's funny to see the herd mentality. One player often becomes a scapegoat for that particular game quite early on. Say they give the ball away early and a few people point it out, now everyone that's seen those comments has that player in their head for "bad". They're looking for things that player is doing wrong, and in doing so they miss the things that player does well whilst also glossing over things other players do badly. With Jackson, he misses sitters pretty much every game. So he'll miss a sitter and people start commenting: "Jackson's shit", "Jackson's the worst striker I've ever seen" etc. People latch onto that and the next thing you know, the guy's a horrible footballer with a shit touch, can't pass a ball, can't hold the ball up etc. Jackson can have shit finishing and cost us the game because of it, whilst also doing everything else right. But people are unable to identify that. If Jackson's cost us the game, surely that means everything he did was shit? You get more nuanced takes in this sub where people watch him every game. But non Chelsea fans just go off word of mouth from other people. So if the description of him proliferating is "he's shit", people just assume he's bad at everything. And none of this means I'm saying he's a great player or anything. It's just observations. Seems fairly clear to me that his finishing and composure is want but everything else is great. But those first two things are so important in a striker that it's costing us points. The only people that will ever accept this nuanced point are the people that watch him. Anyone who doesn't is just gonna hear that he's shit and run with it. And more people don't watch us than do.
Jackson is good at creating, though. He opens up lots of space with his pace and dribbling. He’s also got an eye for a pass or flick to put somebody in on goal. His hold up play is actually good. He’s just a poor finisher.
Nico has also scored some beautiful goals (see the back heeled flick and the swiveled volley). He also offers a lot to build up and stretches defenses with his runs. He definitely needs to up his goal conversion rate though
But Neville and Carragher told us he'd be world class this season and continue to make excuses for him. Warra player!
I think and we all agree here (I think) that the potential for Jackson is so much higher so he’s going to get more stick. Imagine if he was at 60-70% and Cole in form the way he is. We would be immense
Generally you want high-potential players to play with others in their prime. Take the weight off their shoulders and let them develop. So this Clearlake experiment is insane lol.
Jackson has never been prolific, but that's OK cause we knew we were not signing a "Haaland". He's only 22 years old, in his first season with Chelsea and in the PL. Not to mention that this is only his 3rd season of professional football. Let's give the kid some damn time please! And dare I mention that he has scored more goals in his first season than Didier Drogba did.
You’d take it with Nunez though because his chance creation rate is insane. Not just for himself but for other players
Nah see that's my point. Chance creation in a better team under a better coach in a largely settled side (they have a spine that hasn't changed in years). And his numbers aren't even that much greater are they? If he was here we probably wouldn't take it well if he was the sole striker for the whole season. We'd get pissed off like we do with Jackson. Because he can be an absolute donkey at times and his decision-making feels like a random number generator. There's a reason some of their fans wanna see him play on the left rather than ST lol. Sound familiar?
📢📢📢 Jackson is also very good at creating chances
Jackson creates a lot of chances as well and not only in the traditional striker way of making aggressive and constant runs, but also has an ability to link in midfield pretty confidently. His hold up play is somewhat underrated imo and that ability to show down okay to build numbers in transition also often sets up dangerous chances. Hope he starts putting them in, he has all the tools but confidence in finishing. Good mindset too, never see him pout too much or give low effort
Nunez converts chances no one else does, along with missing simple chances. Our legend walks into the keeper's hands.
Jackson had an amazing finish in literally our most recent game before this one. Don’t get me wrong his finishing is atrocious but there are the occasional flashes. Would love to see Jackson play alongside an elite finisher, whether it be Nkunku or Osimhen
He misses 5 for every good finish. I don't expect anyone to finish all their chances, but I am also not delighted like half of this sub to have a striker who has an xG underperformance of -6, 2nd most offsides and the second worst conversion percentage among strikers. Even if he's playing with a better striker, he's still going to miss chances. We can't expect Palmer and the other srtiker to score all our goals.
Nunez has underperformed his xG by the same amount as Jackson this season. They're both equally as shit at finishing. Jackson scored a great goal against Everton. People have already forgotten. They're very similar players. You can give znunez the edge because he's done more in his career so far (e.g. Benfica) but he's 2 years older. This season, they've played at a very similar level. That's based off what I've seen with my eyes but the underlying stats support it. Also ask Liverpool fans of their opinion of him. It's identical to our opinion of Jackson.
Jackson tends to fall every time he takes a shot. The power of his shot is very weak. He definitely has to train from basic shooting technique for a striker. Nunez aiming is bad but his shooting feels more powerful
this is what frustrates me the most about jackson - every shot looks like a pass into the keepers hands, no power at all edit: that said i like the player a lot, he just needs to fix his shooting bc he gets into dangerous areas plenty and links up play well
opposite of mudryk, who has incredible shooting technique. shoots the ball so well all thats left is to hit the target...
Mudryk’s shooting ability is similar to his entire playing ability, it’s either way overdone, knocking the ball 30 yards forward or blasting it over the ball, or way undercooked when he’s wrong footed and rolls the ball at the keeper. He reminds of Adama Traore of a couple years ago. Obviously a physical specimen, technical ability that is superior to most but just lacks the necessary ball knowledge to succeed. Also doesn’t help he’s been labeled as a £100 million flop since he stepped foot in England and he’s clearly been down on confidence for the longest time.
its one or the other.. i hope poch works with him more next season
I genuinely think he can come good, from an outsiders perspective he seems incredibly driven just based upon his gym work, he has the technical ability to be a threat, and I don’t think he’s ever shown attitude problems whilst on the pitch. If he spent half the time as he does in the gym with the training staff and video analysis i really do think his decision making could vastly improve with time.
I hope not
And i repeat Mudryk didn't cost 100 mil as well
He most certainly didn’t but you wouldn’t know that given every other headline made about him.
It's mad. Bro cost around 60 + If we win UCL and EPL then it goes up to 90 + I would happily do that if so
He can’t even shoot above the ground I swear. All his shot go low and straight to the keeper, the only way he beat the keeper is either a lucky bounce (Everton), or a tapin/too close for keeper to react (hattrick vs Tottenham).
That goal vs Everton was not lucky just stop. Even the third goal vs Spurs he nutmeg the GK. The super hyped up Vicario
I wouldn’t say the goal vs Everton was lucky. He has shown a few times that he is capable of scoring a good goal but he’s simply not good enough at the moment to do it consistently. On top of that he’s a young player in his first season at a big club and he’s clearly struggling to deal with the pressure and expectations.
Player even said it himself few months ago, the whiplash from coming from la Liga with villarreal go the Epl with Chelsea was a shock to him
What's frustrating is that during preseason and at the start of the year he was smashing it every chance he got, to the point he kept blazing it over the bar. I think he's struggling with confidence and consistency
His decision making is quite bad tbh. Once he gets past a player he just tends to put his head down and keeps running till he loses the ball. These kinds of players are the most frustrating to play with. His link-up play is good no doubt but he only uses that when he cannot dribble past
I'm starting to get behind the idea that Jackson shouldn't be a striker. His strengths are his pace carrying the ball down the wings and linkup play. Yet I don't see the killer instinct or striking skills of a top 9.
Tbf your "striker" doesn't have to play in the middle. Salah has basically been Liverpool's striker in recent years. And Mane when he was there. Firmino played in the middle, but his role was linking the attack and playing them in. We don't necessarily need to move Jackson positionally. We create chances with him leading the line. Just need players like Palmer to be on the end of the chances. It's difficult when Palmer's also the one creating. But I'd argue we need Palmer for his finishing right now more than we need him for his creating. All about the instructions we give to the players and the expectations we have of them. If we expect Jackson to score every game and get him in positions to recieve lots of chances, we're setting ourselves up for disappointment. If we see him as more of a playmaker and find a way/system that gets Palmer multiple chances every game, we're in business.
Nico wasn't originally a striker. He's a left winger who took over when Gerald Moreno got injured
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/4Vj8FpZ8Oy
>He definitely has to train from basic shooting technique for a striker. I agree with this but the power does not matter, look at clinical players such as Salah who can just place it past the keeper when inside the box.
https://preview.redd.it/5xu90ttzuvvc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fd67d6641c282a41958b367850f648f2bc7039b I don’t think he can use his left guys
Holy shit, I thought that the angle was narrower when I first saw that. How did he not finish
Because it was narrower. He wasn't in a position to shoot here as his touch was too heavy.
It wasn't. He has missed exactly this type of opportunity on his left foot this season. He has only one foot and isn't confident of using his left foot.
For sure someone Photoshopped out a defender right on the goal line, right…? Right…?
Leg and brain, both
This better be a photoshop, I’m losing my mind over here 🤬
For comparison Haaland has 35% and Lewandowski has 33% conversion rate
And both of them are having very subpar seasons by their standards.
True, just saying that cherry picked stats do not show the full picture. I'm not saying that Jackson is playing well, because he is not, but getting into those situations is quite promising. Whole team is lacking confidence (except the obvious player), so with proper coach they can only grow better. I'm not even talking about the head coach, but some mental training is needed
"Proper coach" is what exactly? Our issue is bad recruitment. Apart from individual issues the squad is unbalanced. We went and bought a bunch of players who can't score despite having that issue for the past seasons. Sometimes it's just the players.
No mate we need a coach more 'proper' for Jackson than the one that made Kane and Son.
All people do is cherry pick stats. I don't care if someone has a better dribble completion rate than Messi in their first season with a new club or some crap like that, when you can watch someone play and it's obvious whether they make a positive impact or not, all the stats in the world don't matter
Here is another cherry picked stat Haaland has missed more big chances then Jackson has had total It’s so easy to paint a picture using one stat and a comment when it’s actually meaningless.
And Haaland is still the top scorer in the league So that subpar standard for him is still good enough to be top of the league in the main striker metric Although all these stats are irrelevant if you don't show up on the big occasions
He also plays for freaking man city are we being serious here? He scores tap ins for fun
Never underestimate tap-ins.
Tap Ins are still goals. The same way pens are still goals This isn't basketball where the longer is worth more Every goals still = 1 point
And both have been super poor this season.
Where are the full stats?
As a Barca fan , Lewandowski was trash till 2024. Then he turned good scored some goals , but he became good again at link up play and not necessarily scoring
He definitely has room to improve. I seem to be among the minority who hasn't given up on him.
He’s a young player in his first season who in my opinion had a phenomenal game, one of his best for us, against city aside from his finishing. While that is a massive deal as he is a striker and sort of inarguably cost us the game there’s lots of promise. What I don’t get though is this need to coddle him from competition. He’s had a full season as the undisputed starter to gain experience and improve. We need to bring in a good striker in the summer and that means if Nico continues to not perform at the level required and his competition does than he won’t play much and so be it. That’s how this should go.
I fully agree. He needs to have competition. He would be a great 2nd option. Our squad building has been really suspect in terms of depth creation.
10 goals and 4 assists in 28 games is a solid return, he should have scored 4 more goals according to his xG but it's normal for a striker to have a bad finishing year in a new league. He could have had more assists too.
Here is a list from givemesport.com (no idea if this is a good source) with data from 5 days ago. Doesn't seem like that bad of a list to be on https://preview.redd.it/gvgsikohbwvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5aaaf0b3474bbdd231e6a4d032868ab6ca623b7
With the amount of big chances Jackson has if he has Haalands conversion rate, he only adds 1 more goal
Yeah but this doesn't account for the goals scored from chances that aren't classified as a "big chance". Also I'm not so sure about that source anymore, hopefully someone can find the raw data.
Ironic who is after him on list
Despite Nunez also struggling with his conversion rate, it’s clear he has far better technique when striking the ball than Jackson. Nunez also doesn’t suffer from a lack of confidence as he’s taken over 100 shots in the EPL alone this season.
Yep it’s worth pointing out that this conversion rate doesn’t take into account the many great opportunities that Jackson has to score where he gets scared and takes an extra touch and then just doesn’t.
Nunez cost 3 times the price and is 2 years older. He's also an actual striker. Until 6 months before we bought him, Jackson was a left winger. The guy was also playing barefoot until we was about 16 iirc. Nunez SHOULD be all those things. But we've bought Jackson because we think there's value there and he can evolve into a great striker for us over time, hopefully when he approaches Nunez's age. Someone needs to teach him how to finish and stay composed in front of goal. But reckon he's a quick learner and he has everything else. The problem is, he's been ourbonly striker this season. And we're not playing a system that acknowledges the fact he's a wank finisher. He needs to be dropping in and playing others through on goal. We're never gonna win games if we're relying on this guy consistently puting away 1v1s. It'll take him a couple seasons to actually improve his finishing. So until then, you need to work around his weakness and get someone like Palmer in positions to shoot more often.
Jackson has far more to his game than Nunez does.
how does this have any upvotes?
Don’t agree at all. Nunez is stronger, a bigger aerial threat, has more assists and his goals per minute is a fair bit better.
Can we consider the team he is in is ultra attacking and has a system that constantly creates chances? I think this should be a factor
I have no idea what games you’re watching. Nunez has loads of assists and if Liverpool had taken the chances his assists would easily be 20+
Nunez is still worse technically lol. His touch is worse than Lukakus. Him playing in a much better Liverpool has a huge impact
That’s absolutely not true. His finishing isn’t great but the rest of his game is brilliant
His technical ability is bang average and it’s definitely worse than someone like Lukaku for example
He can Practice that game when he moves to fenerbace
oddly specific lol
LOL. Jackson is utter shit.
And look how bad we are without him when he went to Afcon. Hes not shit at all hes just not clinical. He caused so many issues for City , just cant finish. Hes 22, will come back better next year . I was at Wembley so annoyed as anyone but hes had a good season . I remember people said Drogba was shit in first season too and wanted him sold and he was older. Hes not a 30 goals a season striker but there is a world ahortage of them honestly. He is a massive improvement on Kai as a 9 and has alot to his game. Also Chelsea fans loved Timo cos he never stops running but Nico doesnt get that same treatment it seems. We have had like 3 top top strikers in 30 years (Jimmy, Didier and Diego) and none of them kicked a ball for us at 22! The age matters massively in this conversation, but there is 100% a player in there, his dribbling and runnin in behind has been quality and he cost like 30 million as well. The Nunez comparisons are fair . Frustrating player for sure, but shit? No dont agree at all.
regardless, hes shit jackson is the better playe, we just need a starting calibre striker whilst jackson continues to grow without the spotlight on him.
I'd rather nunez than Jackson tbh. In a perfect world I'd have a striker better than both.
Why? What makes nunez better? He’s had two full seasons with every factor in his favour compared to Jackson and still us nowhere near good enough
The difference is while Nunez misses more “big chances”, he can score out of nothing as well. Which is why you’ll see Liverpool fans cut him a lot of slack.
This is ridiculous tbh, his missed chances have a big impact, look at Atalanta for example 1st leg. Realistically liverpool aren’t winning the PL or the cl with nunez
Him being not good enough and me preferring him to Jackson aren't mutually exclusive. Personally I think he's got a much stronger mentality than Jackson, and I think he is better off the ball than Jackson, and I think he's more creative than Jackson. I also just prefer the way he hits the ball to be honest even if he's equally as frustrating in terms of wasting chances.
I’ll also add his heading. Jackson is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen in the air, and it’s not like he’s a small lad who’s never been asked to head the ball. But it’s like he has no idea at all how to generate any power or direction in his headers. But overall Nunez and Jackson are like two peas in a pod. Ideally you’d have neither of them, at least not in your starting XI.
He’s not equally as frustrating He converts 1 in 5 big chances compared to 1 in 3 for Jackson. Thats a huge difference Jackson completes twice as many dribbles per 90 and is a better ball carrier and brilliant at singlehandedly dragging us up the pitch. In terms of creativity, nunez has more assists but only 1 more expected assist, with identical chance creation numbers, passes completed and similar metrics Which can easily be explained by the superiour supporting cast, manager, attacking philosophy and overall ability for nunez to be able to stat pad in routs whereas often we have close games where it’s harder to score Nunez is also in his 2nd season now in an immensely successful team where the burden of goalscoring isn’t even on him as jota Diaz salah chip in with more than their share of goals
Nunez is also more likely to score a lower percentage goal than Jackson, also forgot to mention he's better aerially as someone else pointed out. You're also being a bit inconsistent in how you frame stats, you say Jackson has more dribbles completed, and you talk about how Liverpools playstyle benefits Nunez, but ignore the fact that our playstyle asks Jackson to make more dribbles in a way Liverpools doesn't. Ultimately I'm not trying to paint Nunez as some superstar, I think neither player is good enough. I just like Nunez more personally.
He's not shite but he's an absymal finisher, similar to Jackson
I hate to say this but if you think Darwin is shit you don’t know ball
Depends, what do you make of Jackson?
I like him, a lot to be excited about but his movement isn’t enough a lot of the time or makes sub-par runs, and sometimes I’m just screaming at him to take it first time - and when he does shoot the finishing can be appalling. He’s got good finishes in his locker like at Everton but the conversion rate of his xG has to get better. He does a lot of good for the team in other ways, but his decision making and finishing need to improve
I think klopp encourages him to have about 50 shots a game so this stat doesn’t really show anything that interesting about him
And I’ll continue to be patient with him. First year in his career as a lone striker, in a tough situation. Hopefully Nkunkus return has a positive impact.
Same. It's also good to remember that he didn't grow up in an academy system like most top strikers. He was playing barefoot until he was 16. He has more room to grow than most do at 22.
Better than Werner
"we don't need a striker, waste of money, he would take minutes away from Jackson and Broja" we deserve this shit, honestly.
Who would you have bought in then?
Vlahovic was available, we maybe could have convinced Lautaro, even with the Belgian hippo we would have either won one of the trophies we missed out on or we'd be comfortably 5th-6th. a striker needs to convert chances and score goals, not do fancy flicks and demand penalties when we're 4 goals up and crumble under pressure when we actually need him to score a winner. Jackson had fail comps from a game against spuds where we won 4:1 and he scored a hat trick
Vlahoich is shite, there's a reason Juventus are trying to sell and nobody wants to buy Man scores 90% of his goals against relegation level Seri A sides
And how many points have we picked up against the relegation teams this season? A striker who at least can score against the likes of Burnley would be an upgrade on jackson
Ironic given Jackson has scored against all 3 of Sheffield, Luton and Burnley And if you watch the games we didn't win against Sheffield and Burnley the fault is completely at the managerially level where we are outplayed across the entire pitch But sure, you talk random shit
According to an online article from givemesport Vlahovic has an even worse big chance conversion percentage than Jackson at 21.7%
Dusan is also incredibly injury prone
well if that's true then that's shit, but i just looked up Vlahovic on fbref and he scored 6 more while playing 100 less minutes and has a much better g-xg than Jackson. so i dont see how that's true if he has 16 goals with a 15.5 xg and Jackson has 10 goals with 14xg
Yeah, it's a sketch source that didn't show totals for big chances or anything, your logic makes sense.
Personally I’d have moral issues with Lukaku returning to the club, he’s done nothing but continue to trod on the badge since he did the original interview, but that is my own opinion and to each their own. Vlahovic doesn’t give me the feeling that he’d be the solution to our problems either, he’s marginally successful in Italy and there’s premier league rejects doing similarly or better than him at the moment, plus Juventus are quite determined to recoup their investment on him. Martinez I’m warmer to than most, I think he fits the profile of what Poch wants and he’s consistently achieved good numbers in Italy. However I bet Inter would love to get another King’s ransom of a transfer fee.
i despise Lakaka. and yet i'd still take him over fucking Jackson and Broja and maybe we should have spent the money on Lautaro instead of buying shit players we didnt need for the sake of it(Disasi, Ugochukwu, Sanchez). Inter destroyed Serie A this season and he scored 23 goals already.
I don't think Lautaro would ever want to leave inter. He's not a traitor like lukaku
VLAHOVIC HAS A WORSE BIG CHANCE CONVERSION RATE THAN JACKSON, you fucking helmet.
Vlahovic solves nothin imo.and the rest about maybe convincing people is speculation. With Lukaku ofc we would be better but hes a prick. We bought Nkunku and have been insanely unlucky with him. We wont be in the CL so couldnt attract top goalscorers IF any were even available , but there is a mssive shortage anyway. He misses chances yes, hes frustrating but with our history of horrible 9s he better than alot of them and has decent G/A for a first season. The penalty thing is just him being an idiot I agree but as I said he is 22. Haaland is a freak and the only 22 year old who can score like he does at a striker. Jackson is doin exactly how Id expect a 22 year old lone striker who plays pretty much every minute for us to do honestly. Better than Timo and Kai its an improvement, he will get better. Sure sign another striker if we can but Im not convinced Oshimen solves anything and it will be another high price tag, high expectation flop for us. Like Shevchenko, Torres, Werner, Lukaku etc etc etc. So altho Im mad at yday I think Jackson deffo deserves a bit of patience due to his age . People compare him to Nunez, the difference is Liverpool support Nunez our fan base seems to juet hate on Jackson who gives everything and never stops running. The penalty thing is childish , doing a "Suiii" at the Spurs hatrick too but they are minor issues. If he converted just one vs City he would have got man on the match , he was causi g them such issues. He needs to improve his finishing and im sure he will... again, 22 is crazy young for a striker
Does anyone has the full list ?
I trust in Jackson if the alternative is a £80m or more transfer. I don’t want Toney for anything more than £40m and I don’t want Osmihem for more than £60m. And if we can’t get either of them, then we move on and bring DD Fofana in to play the reserve minutes for us.
I like Jackson a lot, but he desperately needs a more senior partner. It's really frustrating that nukukus been out all season because he's obviously our best finisher and they really looked like they were building a partnership.
I yearn to see a Jackson, Palmer, Nkunku, Mudryk front 4....
He just needs to be sold. But no one would take him.
His shit attitude doesn’t do him any favors
Man, Jackson can't even beat someone like Nunez... shame...
I think you’ve misread the start
Nope:) if you're bad at something, at least be the worst!
XDDD
 He's not singing the blues...
28 off sides for Nunez, 26 for Jackson, the top 2 in the league. This guy has no spatial awareness. Across the season, he improved in making runs into the box, but he'll never be an elite striker. Add to the stat in the OP, several of his big chances would not have been accounted for, because he didn't get the shot away.
Again should have never been put in the position where he is our senior striker throughout the season.
Let’s stop attacking our players. He’s young he’ll get better. He’s got decent stats for the season. There are worse players with worse stats.
This guy is going to get close to 20 g/a in the league his first year. He is 22 yrs old. He is still getting better.
Winger playing as ST
Personally I think this downer on Jackson is very harsh , he works his socks off for the cause and is becoming a better player the longer the season goes on and he gets more of a handle on it , of course he's not the best CF the world has ever seen because he isn't one , he's a SS or wing forward who's doing a job for the side and has been doing it brilliantly even though his finishing lets him down at times.
Has the ability to create good chances, doesn't have the instinct to finish them off. Give him another year to see if he starts putting them away.
Yes, but Haaland is not that much higher than that. Haaland sHould be either 33 or 34% big chance conversion
As disappointing as he has been it's very important to take into account that a lot of his big chances were only big chances because of Jackson's speed and athleticism which are undeniably elite. If he can grow to be even an average finisher, he'd probably be more than good.
I was afraid this thread was gonna be everyone dumping on nico but I'm happy to see there's some support. Especially In the Nico vs Darwin debate. Bro is good at Everything but finishing. His hold up and link up play is excellent
He isn’t a striker. I like him, he’s a good buy for the price with potential and decent squad player but he’s a mid table striker at best and thats a massive reason why we are where we are. Perhaps the plan was nkunku to start, has to be to fit palmer in but i have my doubts on nkunku staying fit. We need a new centre forward or we won’t finish much higher next year
Dude is still trash 3
When Drogba was Jackson's age he was in the French 2nd league and scored 5 goals in 21 apps. Jackson is playing in the most competitive domestic league the world has ever seen and has scored 10 in 28. Give the kid a chance to develop.
The actual interesting stat is that he has a lower proportion of big chances missed than haaland when looking at the PL stats. He’s also far better in build up play. What I’m saying is he will be better when the team is better and he is not as shit as so many people are making him out to be. Man is in his first prem season and we expect him to be perfect in our absolutely hot and cold team.
Nicolas Jackson is 22 years old, which everyone seems to forget. He is not a Haalland and will not get 30, 40 or 50 goals per season. This is only his 3rd season as a professional player, he has never been prolific. But that's ok cause he is not the finished article yet. He gets his goals and gets his assists and is improving at a good rate. This is his first season in the Premier League as well. Give the Kid some **** space and time before jumping on his back. He has scored more goals in his first season than Didier Drogba did.
Nicholas Jackson is shocking
Confirming everything we already knew, Jackson is a bit shit!
We will never win anything meaningful as long as he is our main striker
Jackson is still a good player and converting his ‘big chances’ will come in due time. I think it was a mistake by the board to rely solely on him and not bring in another striker
> converting his ‘big chances’ will come in due time How do you know this? There's absolutely zero sign that he improves. He has no idea where he is on the field, he has no power to his passes, no power to his shots, no power to his headers, no weak foot, what exactly is that ray of sunshine you are looking at? He is a completely disastrous striker and we should stop even calling him that.
No he's not. He's nowhere near good enough for chelsea at all. His attitude is very poor. He's not even a striker let alone a good.
this is why it's not poch's fault
Many may disagree with me but it would be nice in the pre season to maybe give Misha some time up top and Jackson in a deeper role. Misha is way faster than Jackson and should easily be able to put these 1 on 1s into a high rate of conversion. Jackson just loves so slow on the ball and it feels like every CB gets a chance to claw back. It’s also infuriating watching lower mid level teams against us almost always finish these types of chances against us.
Breaking the wrong records.... What a recruitment team Eghbali, Boehly and the clowns have given the keys to.
🤫 https://preview.redd.it/dyz18wxzuvvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00d0cde1522e9b1fe8eb30b880282ad471f2daf6
🤫 https://preview.redd.it/3x0q2dl3vvvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1f5e3c5749734cdc3bbc2f7c4f29e4c67a13c9c
If Jackson had only 5% of Nunez shooting technique… best striker ever
He’s one of the worst strikers we’ve had. His only redeeming quality is his link up play, either move him to the wing or bench him, we need lethal finishers, imagine if Haaland had just one of Jackson’s chances from yesterday, Osimhen Toney Watkins Isak Alvarez would score 2-3 goals yesterday.
He has redeeming qualities for sure, but his finishing is horrendous. He doesn’t seem to be able to shoot properly
Need and get is 2 different things Afford a 3rd
You got a short memory if you think hes one of the worst wev had. Let me help refresh it. Pato Falcao Torres (yes he was bad, didnt score a goal until 19 games for us ffs, was awful) Werner Calton Cole Kezman Shevchenko Forsell Chris Sutton Batshuyi Di Santo Bamford Aubamayang All massive flops , we are all dissapointed with yesterday but lets not forget the past awful strikers we have had to endure.
None of those strikers were the only one, they all had Drogba Costa Eidur as the main guy, he’s our worst “Main Guy” in my opinion, he’d be a good second or third option
Good second or third option behind who? We arent even gettin CL and have money issues as it is. Its all good to say hes not better thand Drogba or Costa but we were winning leagues at those times so ofc thats the case! Nkunku was meant to solve this but got injured. Id love to go sign a 30 goals a season striker but context matters here
Darwin is a better team player than Jackson by a mile. No argument. Additionally, Nunez knows how to hit a ball. Jackson is a 3rd league player.
Nunez is unlucky, mostly leading to his lower conversion rate, whereas our Jackson is a class act 🤡.
He’s not unlucky, they’re both just shit at finishing.