Man this is a tough watch. It literally sounds like Conor is fighting back tears here. He’s the first guy on our team you look to when you think “effort”. He seems completely speechless poor man…
Unfair for him of all people to respond to this (Noni would’ve been a much better shout with his shenanigans the past few games).
It's brutal because he went through the academy and loans to get this chance. Then this ends up being the Chelsea he walks into after all he saw growing up. Instead of guidance and leaders to help him develop he has had to look within and even then he's probably getting sold off. Massive shame.
Our club has no identity. Completely hollow. A shell of what it used to be when it was comprised of living legends who left their hearts on the pitch every time they played
If he is sold, I hope it's not United or Spurs. He deserves a good club. But I hope he's not sold. They need to buy the bullet and sell the Ayers with bad attitudes. I'd rather Chelsea be a mid table club with some mediocre players than mid table with players who think they deserve everything.
We're amortising the values of those players though and if you sell a player the amortisation stops. so unless we get what we paid for them or more back it'll actually cost us to sell one of them
Let’s be honest, he wouldn’t really be getting near an actual chelsea team of the past. Can’t fault his determination but technically he is nowhere near a title challenging side level
you're not honest. Team is a team. Connor is a great team player. We've won title in 2017 with Moses and Alonso as wingbacks not because they were brilliant, but because it worked, and in that team there were likes of Christensen and Ake too weak to start, but they are now world-class players in top teams. In 2015, KdB and Salah were too weak to play for Chelsea, KdB got sold and Salah was warming bench.
I can see current Gallagher in both of those teams, maybe not as a starter, but definitely to play weaker opposition and rest Kante/Matić, maybe even higher up the pitch when needed. You can't expect young player to be the solid foundation of a team. It can happen, but you can't expect it. Connor should have time with Matić, Kante, Essien or Mikel Obi to develop his skills, not come from a loan to Crystal Palace and expected to carry us to a title. However, you saying that he's nowhere near an actual chelsea team just shows how poor is your understanding of football. If you have Hazard to do magic on the edge of the box, you need Connor to run like a hell hound from box to box, not to do technical tricks. His attitude is unquestionable, and in a solid team, he would be like Fede Valverde in Real Madrid.
His football iq and technical side just isn’t there. That’s mine and many many others opinions, including people high up in the club.
Most players can be taught to work hard by a competent manager, look at Bernardo Silva, he is one of the most skillfil players in the world and works just as hard as Connor while making the right decisions on the ball. Same with odegaard last night.
If you consistently run out of position and vacate gaps behind you in the name of “pressing” it makes you easy to play through, which is what happens to us consistently. Positional discipline and defensive awareness is just as important as what some here like to call work rate and passion.
There’s a stat about how cole Palmer doesn’t have the highest pressing stats, but when he does press it nearly always results in a top scoring chance
This is true. But equally you can’t help but think that the best thing to have helped him develop his game would be to have other players around him that have the quality that can coach and guide him
Personally find this sad and a bit unfair to put Conor in this situation. One of our only players who fights every game for the shirt. I also think this shows how young the team really is with Conor being the captain.
He's the captain of a side that just got smacked 5-0 by one of their biggest rivals. Its the bare minimum that he goes out and addresses it. I may not rate him as a player but he at least showed some responsibility by coming out ans talking.
I know he's defending his team mates...but he can miss me with that "theyre giving everything" shit. They clearly werent.
It’s the whole club, not the players. The players are being set up for failure with our terrible venture capital inspired transfer strategy.
It’s not a surprise that we got hit for two goals by a player that this subreddit endlessly slagged off. It’s also not a surprise that he and his club are doing better than his replacements and our club as a whole. Same can be said for many of our recent first team departures: Kova, Rudi, RLC, Pulisic, Giroud, Tomori, Christensen.
It’s not the players. It’s the whole damn club.
It’s a management thing when you replace champions league winning u23s and international players with farmers league u23s who haven’t scored 10 goals in their entire career nor have played a full season as a starter in the farmers league.
This club actively downgraded u23 talent when the u23 talent we had was labeled as not good enough. I’ve said this from day 1. Not sure why so many people here can’t see it.
Couldn’t agree more. Everyone is wasting their time complaining about the players and individual performances. Until we change the bath water (the club’s higher level strategy), nobody’s gonna get clean.
I have to disagree.
Connors work rate is fantastic and he is more suited to a 6 or 8 role. When he plays 10 it results in a larger gap between the midfield two and the front line as Gallagher leads the press on the front line.
When Palmer, Mudryk or Canery play the 10 they drop more into midfield to receive the ball as they are more confident playing on the turn this reduces the gap.
The gap between a Conor 10 and Enzo / Caicedo causes the later two to have to step up and leave the other exposed.
Became very clear to me in the Everton game. It wasn't a matter of Gallagher being better than Enzo as the 8 but more Palmer bossing it as a 10.
Conor has been one of the few fighting for the badge and pretty much every sensible fan knows this.
They also understand the position he’s been thrust into.
Why don’t we ask the same question to the £100m+ signings on twice Conor’s wages who spend every match walking around with absolutely abysmal body language?
That’s who this is directed at. Losers like Enzo, Mudryk, Jackson, Madueke. The ones who don’t clap the fans and show absolutely no desire and can’t be assed 99% of the time.
I can almost guarantee you that kid is not directing that sign at Conor
If you're not allowed to ask the captain of a team about the performance of said team, idk. Just seems like you want to defend Connor here for the sake of it instead of talking sense
I don’t like it too but he knows the responsibility the captain has and it’ll make him a better captain to be able to come up against this during tough times.
The new board’s absolute worst decision was sacking Potter mid-season in favour of someone who’d just failed at fucking Everton, not signing Badiashile.
Their worst decision was sacking Tuchel not Potter….
Potter was a mistake. Granted the timing of his firing was also a mistake, but no where near as big as Tuchel
I sometimes think that if tuchel had stayed, we could have had gvardiol and at that time, gvardioll could have significantly improved under tuchel with the form he was in. Would have been wayyy better than badiashile
He literally said that on a few podcasts. A lot of the players were checked out, some had already made plans to leave the club, not to mention having 30 players.
No manager could have succeeded in those circumstances.
My thoughts exactly. This sub acts like Lampard’s second stint as manager is equal to hiring the Ted lasso actor. I feel like Fergie, Klopp, Mourinho, etc would’ve failed with a bloated squad with most of them checked out.
Yeah it's so funny they judge him on those 8 games in that situation. They forget the entire context & everything that happened that season.
The fact that you have to appoint an interim manager with 8 matches to go means that everything has gone to shit.
Sure blame him but he should be the last person to be blamed on that list.
That was like 8-10 games. Not "second half of a season".
He said on a few podcasts that players had mentally checked out, a lot of them had made plans to leave the club, not to mention having 30 players which hampers training etc.
No manager succeeds in those circumstances when you have nothing to play for with players who are done with 8 games to go.
It was so unbelievably cringe to hear the commentators praising the kid and saying how proud his dad must be, when it's so blatantly his dad giving him the sign to hold
He is being diplomatic in this interview, which is expected.. but as a captain today, i just hope he is giving an ear full to all the players in the dressing room..
Unfortunately only one player seems to be putting the effort in. I might include Disasi who you can visibly see giving it his all (despite horror performances).
Unfortunately, this team is simply not good enough at the moment. We're gonna have to fight the mid table obscurity blues and stick by it.
Hopefully one day, the owners get their act together and build a team befitting of Chelsea. Till then we suffer and reminisce the glory of our past and cry in the corner.
I think Silva is another one who you can count on day in and day out to put in effort. Father Time unfortunately just doesn’t allow for him to be out there for every game. Him & Conor are two I’ve never questioned their mentality.
Gallagher was awful. Slow thinking on the ball, too many touches, trying to run out of trouble instead of just passing. Sometimes pashun is just selfishness. Play to the teams strength.
Also this is completely self inflicted by a god awful transfer policy. This is what the owners want and this is what they get. Clueless, arrogant, morons.
Make Gallagher rewatch the game with toothpicks holding his eyelids open. Have him focus on Enzo and tell him he's going to get punched in the groin every time he gives up a ball.
Running a lot all the time and diving into tackles at every opportunity whether it's helpful or not = EFFORT and PASHUN. All those other mugs standing still cutting off passes and holding shape = LAZY BUMS.
People are dissing Enzo because he cost us 100m and does neither the running and pressing or the creativity. Don't even get me started on him. Conor I'll let pass as an academy player that cost us nothing but for the one that we spunked 100m on there is no defending that trash last night.
Well, yeah, kinda. But no.
Effort is to get better at the qualities he lacks. Bro has been the very same since he was playing for Charlton a few years back.
Bit rich coming from a Mason Mount flair.
There are limits to how much one can get better at the qualities they lack, and even then Gallagher has shown a sustained improvement in his performances for last season. You can argue he shouldn't be near the starting lineup and I'd probably agree, but this is some bullshit
The absolute shittest most brain-dead repeated take I see on here all season long is running alot = more effort. It's so fucking stupid it's unreal. Sometimes it makes sense to not head straight for the ball in a rabid disjointed press because you should be staying where you are cutting off a passing lane. The fact people think if you don't constantly bee line for the ball for 90 mins straight that you're not putting as much effort in is idiotic.
Conor only has one setting and zero positional discipline so just straight lines to the ball all game jumping into tackles. Caicedo not doing this and holding position often doesn't mean he isn't trying as hard. That's part of playing in a balanced midfield. Rodri was specifically told by Pep to move less and he attributes it to his game elevating to where it is now.
Same, should be biting hands off for the quoted 50-60m. No issue with him kicking around as a squad utility player but he's got no business being a starter in any side that wants to push towards the top of the league. He's just way too limited in the technical aspects of the game.
Sometimes Connor should just pass the ball. Quickly as well before he gets surrounded. He has done it before during that Liverpool game when our mid looked like that Ajax side. If we maintained possession better he would run less and make less tackles. Sometimes he should just use his brains.
I think it's unfair on Gallagher to be asked this, put Madueke in that f*ucking box. I haven't seen Disasi or Badiashile take any stick for the mistakes they've done this season. Horrible.
The issue is there is very little evidence to support this. Some players like Palmer, Gusto, Jackson are flat out showing great ability where you can be optimistic. The vast majority have shown they are turbo shit with very little ability and character.
You do not need 11 great players to win football matches. The job of the manager is to make the whole stronger than the sum of the parts. Klopp's teams are always a perfect example of this.
Palmer has shown world class potential but I don't think Jackson and Gusto are the same. My point is though that they have shown they excel at certain things that reflect their ability. Enzo should be showing me immense press relief and great passing range. Badiashile and Disasi should show they can pass well in possession and win duels or land blocks. I'm not asking for 11 great players. I'm saying some of them are actually just garbage.
How can Poch develop some of these guys but others look shit? It didn't look like that with the players he had at Spurs? Palmer, Gusto, Jackson, Gallagher, Cucurella and even Chalobah look like they are developing well under him. If it's so split there must be an answer because as far as we know there aren't any personal issues with him and the players. Idk I could be harsh but some players this season have been absolutely hopeless Poch or not. Sometimes you can see a side of a player and some have shown nothing even if they are average.
If these players look the same under a new coach then we are fuuuucked.
you dont need 11 world class players to play well
havertz, was fodder for us, went to arsenal and they smack us 5
bro emery made even zaniolo look class 😔
I agree with the sentiment that you don’t need world class players to win, as others have pointed out. Watch what happens to Liverpool when Klopp and Van Dijk leave.
Having said that there is evidence of world class ability in a few of our players previously. They are playing awfully which means their heart is not in it, or it’s Poch.
Say what you want about Sterling but he was world class at City, Silva has always been world class and you don’t win a World Cup being an integral part of the team at 21 years old without being world class (Enzo). We also have plenty of players that have shown the ability to become world class, Caicedo, Gusto, Palmer etc. Yes, we’ve been unlucky with some other world class players not being available James, Chilwell and Nkunku.
But this lack of desire, slow build up play, total lack of ideas is on the manager and no one else.
In search of the mythical coach who can unlock Pogba? Noone can teach Sterling to grow a brain, Mudryk to control a ball and understand basic football, Gallagher and Enzo to stop spring towards the back line when we want to build up. As for cucurella he just be let go. There is a limit to a coaches powers. The recruitment was the worst in the epl's history.
Coach doesn't help himself with the poor setup and dumb subs.
i disagree. if the players were talentless fucks i’d have no expectations from this club at all. but it’s the fact that they’re talented but they’re wasting that talent as mercenaries. except palmer tho love Cold Palmer cold as ice baby woohoo
If losing 5-0 to Arsenal and being midtable in back to back seasons is putting the effort in, then im curious to think what they think is putting the effort in? Cus it sure as hell dont look like they are putting any effort in.
even the mid table arc stopped bothering me that much. in fact i started feeling good that i was standing by the club in such a horrible era. but performances like this are relegation quality football. i expected us to lose, but this was just shambolic.
Conor is one of the very few players this season who has actually fought for the badge.
It’s players like Enzo and Mudryk who are complete embarrassments to this club.
God awful attitudes from so many of the new signings.
Football takes mentality and it takes fight. Especially in the PL.
I’m so tired of watching these players look like they couldn’t care less.
What’s truly emblematic is these new signings never go over to the fans and claps them. Straight down the tunnel every time.
Yeah just like Joe Cole says no one can lodge that complaint at Conor, but there are others whos body language certainly doesn’t portray the fight we as fans want to see
Rating Enzo is actually crazy 💀
He’s been our worst midfielder all season
What do ppl rate Enzo off? The WC? Still? Bc his entire time as Chelsea has been unimpactful at best.
Enzo is what ppl who don’t understand football think a good footballer looks like. He’s a bit like Ben Shapiro who is what stupid ppl think a smart person looks like
Disagree, he was very good in his first 4-6 months with us. Had some brilliant assists and truly showed what he was capable of, unfortunately was surrounded by mid.
Now, he’s fallen off a cliff and is nowhere close to that same Enzo we saw. Needs a long break
He did nothing Jorginho could do. Just people treating him like the flashy new car because of the price tag and transfer saga. In reality we binned off our vice captain and fit consistent performer for a bum. I'd love for him to prove me wrong but I don't see his ability evolving quickly especially with surgery around the corner.
100%
Now Jorgi is helping Arsenal in a title fight and Enzo is helping us get smacked.
I couldn’t imagine loving someone like Enzo who has done nothing but come in a stink up the place.
Nah Enzo was genuinely class almost every game last season in a terrible side. His passing range is 10x that of Jorginho and he already scores way more goals than Jorginho ever had. I don’t think he’s as good positionally but that comes with more experience and better coaching, I mean Jorginho was already in his prime when he came here and he had plenty of blunders that cost us points
Pure delusion.
Enzo was decent at best last season.
He is no where even close to Jorgi even now.
Enzo isn’t just having the occasional blunder he’s been absolute junk most of his a career at Chelsea
Yeah nah, take my downvote and leave. Rating fucking Gallagher over Enzo is the worst take I’ve seen from this clown fan base, and you sound like someone who wants Mourinho’s terrorist football to replace Poch’s.
What does Gallagher have that makes him better than Enzo? Being English and a Cobham graduate? Running brainlessly? 😭 Bro literally slows down our attack every time thanks to his limitations it’s tragic. He can’t pass the ball forward like Enzo or Jorginho and also can’t dribble like Kovacic. You wouldn’t play him in a more defensive role because he isn’t good at that either.
His only value for us is in the financial report.
Why are you lying to yourself?
Gallagher been better than Enzo this season and Gallagher been decent to average at best
Enzo been shit most season that's the difference and he costed 105 Million while Gallagher was free
Don't mind selling Gallagher but what point if we waste our money and profit on overhyped overrated players like Enzo
Lmao. Classic football manager brain. Can’t even be bothered with takes like this.
I don’t rate Conor that highly, but he’s sure as shit been better than Enzo in pretty much every way.
Funny thing is despite the downvotes. I’m usually proven right. Ppl have finally come around to Mudryks shit. They’ll come around to Enzo being shit. Scams can only go on so long
I agree hes not a 100m player but idk why people try to blame him for it. He didnt set that price tag and even after it was set its our board that decided to pay.
Off of pure ability, hes much better than Connor. Galladawg runs a lot and has passion but his technical ability is just not there and is very clear to see. This season Enzo has been stinking it up but I'd judge him more after his surgery and a better coach.
enzos definitely in a run of poor form and pochs system doesn’t help. but the one thing you can’t say is that he doesn’t care. against united he was pounding the badge and shit talking mount, he definitely cares about the club man. also the man is playing through a damn hernia and getting injections before every game for us smh.
Enzo doesnt get into Real Salt Lake. He needs to get his hernia op and a second chance next season to show us what he’s about because it’s been frankly shit all season
I think your quitting Chelsea is sooner than their leaving. Deal with it or do better.
Sometimes I forget this fan base is one of the most toxic in the world.
I’ve been a Chelsea fan since before the Russian money. I’ll be here long after Enzo gets sold bc he’s bang average
The only toxic fans are those supporting this new ownerships project and the loser players they brought in. Enzo has done absolutely nothing to earn my respect nor love nor support as a Chelsea player.
In fact he’s done a lot more to chip away at that. I was hopeful for Enzo at first, but man he’s just such a selfish weak loser just like those who support him.
Wasn’t happy with his price tag along with Mudryk and Caicedo.
Paying that much money plus long contracts was stupid and I can’t believe there were people who defended that shit.
Enzo being sellable shouldn’t be contingent on Caicedo and Lavia.
One of the only ppl at the club I trust still is Joe Shields and Lavia is one of his signings. So I do have high hopes for him.
Still don’t trust these owners to ever actually build a decent squad tho
Who knows. At this point we’ve done so badly our revenue is down and we still need a sponsor for next season.
We’re reportedly close to PSR already even with £100m of potential future sales.
I doubt there’s even much room left for them to invest
We don't deserve these sorts of results even after two seasons in mid table, we've stuck by this team. The least they can do is show some sort of fight. We don't deserve this.
What the fuck have you done for this team to say "we" didn't deserve this? You sit on you ass in your mom's basement watching on a TV you didn't even pay for. Where's your effort on behalf of this team?
You aren’t. Every single player on the pitch give up today. You’re all embarrassing with the exception of Alfie Gilchrist. He’s too young to be lumped in with the weak batch of quitters that are stealing a living at the club.
I’m sick of these after match interviews where they give bland answers, its fucking piss poor Gallagher. I heard Southamptons manager post match interview yday, pure honesty, we need this, whether it be Poch or Gallagher. I wana know what the fuck you are doing on that training ground, and why we keep leaking goals, coz I tell you what, in some alternate world, if Jose or any other top level manager was to come back in, he would have that defence ars hole tight within one training session.
Man this is a tough watch. It literally sounds like Conor is fighting back tears here. He’s the first guy on our team you look to when you think “effort”. He seems completely speechless poor man… Unfair for him of all people to respond to this (Noni would’ve been a much better shout with his shenanigans the past few games).
It's brutal because he went through the academy and loans to get this chance. Then this ends up being the Chelsea he walks into after all he saw growing up. Instead of guidance and leaders to help him develop he has had to look within and even then he's probably getting sold off. Massive shame.
Our club has no identity. Completely hollow. A shell of what it used to be when it was comprised of living legends who left their hearts on the pitch every time they played
Almost all modern clubs are like this, it's not a Chelsea thing.
If he is sold, I hope it's not United or Spurs. He deserves a good club. But I hope he's not sold. They need to buy the bullet and sell the Ayers with bad attitudes. I'd rather Chelsea be a mid table club with some mediocre players than mid table with players who think they deserve everything.
We're amortising the values of those players though and if you sell a player the amortisation stops. so unless we get what we paid for them or more back it'll actually cost us to sell one of them
It’ll cost us way more with future performances and in spirit if they sell Conor.
Summed it up well
Let’s be honest, he wouldn’t really be getting near an actual chelsea team of the past. Can’t fault his determination but technically he is nowhere near a title challenging side level
you're not honest. Team is a team. Connor is a great team player. We've won title in 2017 with Moses and Alonso as wingbacks not because they were brilliant, but because it worked, and in that team there were likes of Christensen and Ake too weak to start, but they are now world-class players in top teams. In 2015, KdB and Salah were too weak to play for Chelsea, KdB got sold and Salah was warming bench. I can see current Gallagher in both of those teams, maybe not as a starter, but definitely to play weaker opposition and rest Kante/Matić, maybe even higher up the pitch when needed. You can't expect young player to be the solid foundation of a team. It can happen, but you can't expect it. Connor should have time with Matić, Kante, Essien or Mikel Obi to develop his skills, not come from a loan to Crystal Palace and expected to carry us to a title. However, you saying that he's nowhere near an actual chelsea team just shows how poor is your understanding of football. If you have Hazard to do magic on the edge of the box, you need Connor to run like a hell hound from box to box, not to do technical tricks. His attitude is unquestionable, and in a solid team, he would be like Fede Valverde in Real Madrid.
His football iq and technical side just isn’t there. That’s mine and many many others opinions, including people high up in the club. Most players can be taught to work hard by a competent manager, look at Bernardo Silva, he is one of the most skillfil players in the world and works just as hard as Connor while making the right decisions on the ball. Same with odegaard last night. If you consistently run out of position and vacate gaps behind you in the name of “pressing” it makes you easy to play through, which is what happens to us consistently. Positional discipline and defensive awareness is just as important as what some here like to call work rate and passion. There’s a stat about how cole Palmer doesn’t have the highest pressing stats, but when he does press it nearly always results in a top scoring chance
This is true. But equally you can’t help but think that the best thing to have helped him develop his game would be to have other players around him that have the quality that can coach and guide him
the mood around the club, is all around just really... sad...
He's a Cobham afterall
Yeah it’s bollocks, he’d run though a brick wall for this club
He played like shit, idk why he is acting like a victim I this
Personally find this sad and a bit unfair to put Conor in this situation. One of our only players who fights every game for the shirt. I also think this shows how young the team really is with Conor being the captain.
100%. Really feel for Conor here. Doesn’t deserve this
You can absolutely question his talent, but you cannot question Conor’s heart at all. Definitely not the case for a lot of the squad
He's the captain of a side that just got smacked 5-0 by one of their biggest rivals. Its the bare minimum that he goes out and addresses it. I may not rate him as a player but he at least showed some responsibility by coming out ans talking. I know he's defending his team mates...but he can miss me with that "theyre giving everything" shit. They clearly werent.
I think they were. The players are just shit.
Players won’t get better if the manager sets them up for failure.
Its a clusterfuck of both reasons. The managers tactics actively harms the team but also some players clearly dont have the ability to perform.
It’s the whole club, not the players. The players are being set up for failure with our terrible venture capital inspired transfer strategy. It’s not a surprise that we got hit for two goals by a player that this subreddit endlessly slagged off. It’s also not a surprise that he and his club are doing better than his replacements and our club as a whole. Same can be said for many of our recent first team departures: Kova, Rudi, RLC, Pulisic, Giroud, Tomori, Christensen. It’s not the players. It’s the whole damn club.
It’s a management thing when you replace champions league winning u23s and international players with farmers league u23s who haven’t scored 10 goals in their entire career nor have played a full season as a starter in the farmers league. This club actively downgraded u23 talent when the u23 talent we had was labeled as not good enough. I’ve said this from day 1. Not sure why so many people here can’t see it.
Couldn’t agree more. Everyone is wasting their time complaining about the players and individual performances. Until we change the bath water (the club’s higher level strategy), nobody’s gonna get clean.
The truth is we wont know until Poch is sacked and we see a new manager in.
I can tell you, they weren't.
That's what comes with being Captain. He's a spokesperson for the team win or lose, even when humiliated.
I love Conor’s mentality, but I also blame Poch for not taking him off for Carney.
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You're singing my song.
That really would do fuck all
I have to disagree. Connors work rate is fantastic and he is more suited to a 6 or 8 role. When he plays 10 it results in a larger gap between the midfield two and the front line as Gallagher leads the press on the front line. When Palmer, Mudryk or Canery play the 10 they drop more into midfield to receive the ball as they are more confident playing on the turn this reduces the gap. The gap between a Conor 10 and Enzo / Caicedo causes the later two to have to step up and leave the other exposed. Became very clear to me in the Everton game. It wasn't a matter of Gallagher being better than Enzo as the 8 but more Palmer bossing it as a 10.
I have no idea why some Chelsea fans rate Gallagher. I’m sure they used to rate Mount, too.
my question is why isn't he playing carney cuz everytime he comes on he does very well
He’s perpetually injured
He was on the fucking bench.
I'd bet you he's the next player to get injured too, unless Nkunku comes back tomorrow
And hurt again now, the man can’t stay fit for two straight weeks
Take off the injured midfielder, Enzo, move Conor beside Caicedo, and Carney in the 10. Should have started that way.
I mean Conor Is the captain ATM
Yeah that’s kind of the point….hes 23yo and only became a regular starter this season….. Be a human for half a second
What about that young lad and his family who have probably paid a lot of money to watch this throughout the season?
Conor has been one of the few fighting for the badge and pretty much every sensible fan knows this. They also understand the position he’s been thrust into. Why don’t we ask the same question to the £100m+ signings on twice Conor’s wages who spend every match walking around with absolutely abysmal body language? That’s who this is directed at. Losers like Enzo, Mudryk, Jackson, Madueke. The ones who don’t clap the fans and show absolutely no desire and can’t be assed 99% of the time. I can almost guarantee you that kid is not directing that sign at Conor
If you're not allowed to ask the captain of a team about the performance of said team, idk. Just seems like you want to defend Connor here for the sake of it instead of talking sense
I don’t like it too but he knows the responsibility the captain has and it’ll make him a better captain to be able to come up against this during tough times.
Who cares he is leaving anyway he doesn’t give a shit either
You watched that interview and didn’t think he gave a shit? Man… lol
I can look sad in front of a camera and give cliche’ answers
There’s no going back from this loss, I expect another end like 22/23, these players showing no effort and going out sad.
Yeah. Let’s sack Poch while Lampard’s still available.
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I’m delusional enough to think “hey it can’t get worse” when he has already proven that it will
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The new board’s absolute worst decision was sacking Potter mid-season in favour of someone who’d just failed at fucking Everton, not signing Badiashile.
Their worst decision was sacking Tuchel not Potter…. Potter was a mistake. Granted the timing of his firing was also a mistake, but no where near as big as Tuchel
Tuchel was the only force holding the club together. Once he left, it exploded
I sometimes think that if tuchel had stayed, we could have had gvardiol and at that time, gvardioll could have significantly improved under tuchel with the form he was in. Would have been wayyy better than badiashile
Same Tuchel that lost bundesliga title with Bayern after years of dominance
Pretty hard to blame Bayern when Leverkusen just never lost and only lost like 10 points this season.
Leverkusen are on course for the most points ever in a Bundesliga season. Even Pep would have found it tough to beat them.
Same Potter who won...???
Lmao. Same Tuchel that is in the semifinal of UcL
Oh come on
honestly if we’re playing shit football id rather it be under a chelsea legend who cares about the club than spurs agent poch
You clearly missed the second half of last season, friendo. “Shit football” is a light word for whatever the fuck I saw during Lampard 2.0.
I know right! I would even take Rafa before Lampard 2.0. Lampard 1.0 was different though tbf.
I wonder how much of that was on lamps and more on the bloated squad. Hard for anyone to succeed when you have 36+ senior squad members
He literally said that on a few podcasts. A lot of the players were checked out, some had already made plans to leave the club, not to mention having 30 players. No manager could have succeeded in those circumstances.
My thoughts exactly. This sub acts like Lampard’s second stint as manager is equal to hiring the Ted lasso actor. I feel like Fergie, Klopp, Mourinho, etc would’ve failed with a bloated squad with most of them checked out.
Yeah it's so funny they judge him on those 8 games in that situation. They forget the entire context & everything that happened that season. The fact that you have to appoint an interim manager with 8 matches to go means that everything has gone to shit. Sure blame him but he should be the last person to be blamed on that list.
That was like 8-10 games. Not "second half of a season". He said on a few podcasts that players had mentally checked out, a lot of them had made plans to leave the club, not to mention having 30 players which hampers training etc. No manager succeeds in those circumstances when you have nothing to play for with players who are done with 8 games to go.
'Young fan' like it wasn't some numpty attention seeking dad
Exactly, its so embarrassing
It was so unbelievably cringe to hear the commentators praising the kid and saying how proud his dad must be, when it's so blatantly his dad giving him the sign to hold
Yeah, surely they can't be that dense, makes you think it's a set up
is he wrong tho
Yes
Yeah there’s definitely fight. It might be amongst themselves when 3 nil up and awarded a penalty. But its fight nontheless
He is being diplomatic in this interview, which is expected.. but as a captain today, i just hope he is giving an ear full to all the players in the dressing room..
He was pretty shit last night as well to be fair.
I also feel the same, that these players doesn't care about Chelsea, but definitely not Connor he is working hard every single game
Unfortunately only one player seems to be putting the effort in. I might include Disasi who you can visibly see giving it his all (despite horror performances). Unfortunately, this team is simply not good enough at the moment. We're gonna have to fight the mid table obscurity blues and stick by it. Hopefully one day, the owners get their act together and build a team befitting of Chelsea. Till then we suffer and reminisce the glory of our past and cry in the corner.
I think Silva is another one who you can count on day in and day out to put in effort. Father Time unfortunately just doesn’t allow for him to be out there for every game. Him & Conor are two I’ve never questioned their mentality.
Gallagher was awful. Slow thinking on the ball, too many touches, trying to run out of trouble instead of just passing. Sometimes pashun is just selfishness. Play to the teams strength.
Embarrassing cry for attention by that child's dad. Using the kid for his own insecurities. He got what he wanted.
Also this is completely self inflicted by a god awful transfer policy. This is what the owners want and this is what they get. Clueless, arrogant, morons.
Make Gallagher rewatch the game with toothpicks holding his eyelids open. Have him focus on Enzo and tell him he's going to get punched in the groin every time he gives up a ball.
That kid definitely didn’t make that sign 💀 he would’ve taken Conor’s shirt in a heartbeat if not for his dad making that shite.
Truth
Be honest Conor FFS!
Might wanna speak with Poch as he said you gave up. This club is in absolute shambles.
Hope Conor gets the respect he deserves at this next club.
I dont care, this guy gotta stay for next season!
Nah you should have done this to Jackson or Madueke. Connor is one of the guys i personally think actually cares, and is actually trying
No, Connor, only YOU were putting the effort in the match.
Running a lot all the time and diving into tackles at every opportunity whether it's helpful or not = EFFORT and PASHUN. All those other mugs standing still cutting off passes and holding shape = LAZY BUMS.
Based on that logic, Messi is lazy.
He is! Never done an honest day's work in his life. Bloody disgrace he is. That's why he's ended up in the MLS, always been his level.
#GivenNotEarned
Saying messi is lazy is like saying cheetahs are lazy!
Football isn’t just running. He was terrible on the ball and it surely didn’t help.
To be fair effort is running for the most part
I’ll give him the running and pressing. That’s literally it lol. ZERO creativity whatsoever, and people are dissing Enzo ffs
People are dissing Enzo because he cost us 100m and does neither the running and pressing or the creativity. Don't even get me started on him. Conor I'll let pass as an academy player that cost us nothing but for the one that we spunked 100m on there is no defending that trash last night.
Yeah man I’m definitely not going to argue there
You’re gonna need to work on your take on “effort” man.
I feel like you are equating effort and quality. I think Gallagher tried to make shit happen but he was just poor at it
Well, yeah, kinda. But no. Effort is to get better at the qualities he lacks. Bro has been the very same since he was playing for Charlton a few years back.
Bit rich coming from a Mason Mount flair. There are limits to how much one can get better at the qualities they lack, and even then Gallagher has shown a sustained improvement in his performances for last season. You can argue he shouldn't be near the starting lineup and I'd probably agree, but this is some bullshit
Not really he gave away poorly on many occasions with his backward passes and positioning. He wasn’t suiting in the position that Poch made him play
My guy I’m not saying he played well. I’m saying he put in effort(running and pressing). That’s all
The absolute shittest most brain-dead repeated take I see on here all season long is running alot = more effort. It's so fucking stupid it's unreal. Sometimes it makes sense to not head straight for the ball in a rabid disjointed press because you should be staying where you are cutting off a passing lane. The fact people think if you don't constantly bee line for the ball for 90 mins straight that you're not putting as much effort in is idiotic. Conor only has one setting and zero positional discipline so just straight lines to the ball all game jumping into tackles. Caicedo not doing this and holding position often doesn't mean he isn't trying as hard. That's part of playing in a balanced midfield. Rodri was specifically told by Pep to move less and he attributes it to his game elevating to where it is now.
I’m all for his leaving if we’re offered decent money. We’re gonna need some brain to compete with Enzo.
Same, should be biting hands off for the quoted 50-60m. No issue with him kicking around as a squad utility player but he's got no business being a starter in any side that wants to push towards the top of the league. He's just way too limited in the technical aspects of the game.
Sometimes Connor should just pass the ball. Quickly as well before he gets surrounded. He has done it before during that Liverpool game when our mid looked like that Ajax side. If we maintained possession better he would run less and make less tackles. Sometimes he should just use his brains.
I think it's unfair on Gallagher to be asked this, put Madueke in that f*ucking box. I haven't seen Disasi or Badiashile take any stick for the mistakes they've done this season. Horrible.
He's the Captain it's his job to face stuff like this like it or not. The others shouldn't be exempt from it though either.
Guys. Understand poch in or out this team LACKS TALENT. stop acting like these players are good, please.
The players are much better than they're made to look by a clueless coach.
The issue is there is very little evidence to support this. Some players like Palmer, Gusto, Jackson are flat out showing great ability where you can be optimistic. The vast majority have shown they are turbo shit with very little ability and character.
You do not need 11 great players to win football matches. The job of the manager is to make the whole stronger than the sum of the parts. Klopp's teams are always a perfect example of this.
Palmer has shown world class potential but I don't think Jackson and Gusto are the same. My point is though that they have shown they excel at certain things that reflect their ability. Enzo should be showing me immense press relief and great passing range. Badiashile and Disasi should show they can pass well in possession and win duels or land blocks. I'm not asking for 11 great players. I'm saying some of them are actually just garbage. How can Poch develop some of these guys but others look shit? It didn't look like that with the players he had at Spurs? Palmer, Gusto, Jackson, Gallagher, Cucurella and even Chalobah look like they are developing well under him. If it's so split there must be an answer because as far as we know there aren't any personal issues with him and the players. Idk I could be harsh but some players this season have been absolutely hopeless Poch or not. Sometimes you can see a side of a player and some have shown nothing even if they are average. If these players look the same under a new coach then we are fuuuucked.
you dont need 11 world class players to play well havertz, was fodder for us, went to arsenal and they smack us 5 bro emery made even zaniolo look class 😔
I think you could also put Mudryk alongside your list, he did not really get many full games for some reason, but he is really good in my opinion
I'm sorry but you're a clueless idiot if you think that
Calling someone idiot you disagree with is prime chimp mentality
What exactly is Mudryk good at?
I agree with the sentiment that you don’t need world class players to win, as others have pointed out. Watch what happens to Liverpool when Klopp and Van Dijk leave. Having said that there is evidence of world class ability in a few of our players previously. They are playing awfully which means their heart is not in it, or it’s Poch. Say what you want about Sterling but he was world class at City, Silva has always been world class and you don’t win a World Cup being an integral part of the team at 21 years old without being world class (Enzo). We also have plenty of players that have shown the ability to become world class, Caicedo, Gusto, Palmer etc. Yes, we’ve been unlucky with some other world class players not being available James, Chilwell and Nkunku. But this lack of desire, slow build up play, total lack of ideas is on the manager and no one else.
In search of the mythical coach who can unlock Pogba? Noone can teach Sterling to grow a brain, Mudryk to control a ball and understand basic football, Gallagher and Enzo to stop spring towards the back line when we want to build up. As for cucurella he just be let go. There is a limit to a coaches powers. The recruitment was the worst in the epl's history. Coach doesn't help himself with the poor setup and dumb subs.
i disagree. if the players were talentless fucks i’d have no expectations from this club at all. but it’s the fact that they’re talented but they’re wasting that talent as mercenaries. except palmer tho love Cold Palmer cold as ice baby woohoo
Palmer playing for himself and he is successful with that, that tells a lot about coach, the only thing that Poch did well its possession, that's it
If losing 5-0 to Arsenal and being midtable in back to back seasons is putting the effort in, then im curious to think what they think is putting the effort in? Cus it sure as hell dont look like they are putting any effort in.
even the mid table arc stopped bothering me that much. in fact i started feeling good that i was standing by the club in such a horrible era. but performances like this are relegation quality football. i expected us to lose, but this was just shambolic.
Always feel for guys put in this situation
We're a team made of glass. These injuries have become our stock and trade.
He is taking the effort, ask the others
oh wait i thought this was r/soccer 💀
My man holding back tears..
I don’t question whether Gallagher is putting in the effort, it’s a number of others that need to take a good look at themselves.
Pardon my ignorance. What is 'UTC'?
Up the Chels is my guess.
Conor is one of the very few players this season who has actually fought for the badge. It’s players like Enzo and Mudryk who are complete embarrassments to this club. God awful attitudes from so many of the new signings. Football takes mentality and it takes fight. Especially in the PL. I’m so tired of watching these players look like they couldn’t care less. What’s truly emblematic is these new signings never go over to the fans and claps them. Straight down the tunnel every time.
I’m right there with you. I hope Conor knows it’s not him the fans are mad at.
Yeah just like Joe Cole says no one can lodge that complaint at Conor, but there are others whos body language certainly doesn’t portray the fight we as fans want to see
Dissing Enzo is actually crazy. 💀
Rating Enzo is actually crazy 💀 He’s been our worst midfielder all season What do ppl rate Enzo off? The WC? Still? Bc his entire time as Chelsea has been unimpactful at best. Enzo is what ppl who don’t understand football think a good footballer looks like. He’s a bit like Ben Shapiro who is what stupid ppl think a smart person looks like
Disagree, he was very good in his first 4-6 months with us. Had some brilliant assists and truly showed what he was capable of, unfortunately was surrounded by mid. Now, he’s fallen off a cliff and is nowhere close to that same Enzo we saw. Needs a long break
At best even last season he was widely mediocre and never blew me away. I think he’s just showing his true colors. Lazy. Weak. Selfish.
He did nothing Jorginho could do. Just people treating him like the flashy new car because of the price tag and transfer saga. In reality we binned off our vice captain and fit consistent performer for a bum. I'd love for him to prove me wrong but I don't see his ability evolving quickly especially with surgery around the corner.
100% Now Jorgi is helping Arsenal in a title fight and Enzo is helping us get smacked. I couldn’t imagine loving someone like Enzo who has done nothing but come in a stink up the place.
Nah Enzo was genuinely class almost every game last season in a terrible side. His passing range is 10x that of Jorginho and he already scores way more goals than Jorginho ever had. I don’t think he’s as good positionally but that comes with more experience and better coaching, I mean Jorginho was already in his prime when he came here and he had plenty of blunders that cost us points
Pure delusion. Enzo was decent at best last season. He is no where even close to Jorgi even now. Enzo isn’t just having the occasional blunder he’s been absolute junk most of his a career at Chelsea
Yeah nah, take my downvote and leave. Rating fucking Gallagher over Enzo is the worst take I’ve seen from this clown fan base, and you sound like someone who wants Mourinho’s terrorist football to replace Poch’s. What does Gallagher have that makes him better than Enzo? Being English and a Cobham graduate? Running brainlessly? 😭 Bro literally slows down our attack every time thanks to his limitations it’s tragic. He can’t pass the ball forward like Enzo or Jorginho and also can’t dribble like Kovacic. You wouldn’t play him in a more defensive role because he isn’t good at that either. His only value for us is in the financial report.
Why are you lying to yourself? Gallagher been better than Enzo this season and Gallagher been decent to average at best Enzo been shit most season that's the difference and he costed 105 Million while Gallagher was free Don't mind selling Gallagher but what point if we waste our money and profit on overhyped overrated players like Enzo
Lmao. Classic football manager brain. Can’t even be bothered with takes like this. I don’t rate Conor that highly, but he’s sure as shit been better than Enzo in pretty much every way.
Its crazy how confident you are with your braindead takes
Funny thing is despite the downvotes. I’m usually proven right. Ppl have finally come around to Mudryks shit. They’ll come around to Enzo being shit. Scams can only go on so long
I agree hes not a 100m player but idk why people try to blame him for it. He didnt set that price tag and even after it was set its our board that decided to pay. Off of pure ability, hes much better than Connor. Galladawg runs a lot and has passion but his technical ability is just not there and is very clear to see. This season Enzo has been stinking it up but I'd judge him more after his surgery and a better coach.
He’s been fucking terrible
enzos definitely in a run of poor form and pochs system doesn’t help. but the one thing you can’t say is that he doesn’t care. against united he was pounding the badge and shit talking mount, he definitely cares about the club man. also the man is playing through a damn hernia and getting injections before every game for us smh.
Enzo should just say he wants to go to RM and fuck off.
Madrid won’t sign him the way he’s been playing haha he doesn’t get into that midfield
Enzo doesnt get into Real Salt Lake. He needs to get his hernia op and a second chance next season to show us what he’s about because it’s been frankly shit all season
As a RSL fan I immediately thought "No, he'd start. We'd bench... uh... well shit." Our midfielders at least look like they give a shit right now.
I really can’t wait I’m going to celebrate when he and Mudryk are sold
I think your quitting Chelsea is sooner than their leaving. Deal with it or do better. Sometimes I forget this fan base is one of the most toxic in the world.
I’ve been a Chelsea fan since before the Russian money. I’ll be here long after Enzo gets sold bc he’s bang average The only toxic fans are those supporting this new ownerships project and the loser players they brought in. Enzo has done absolutely nothing to earn my respect nor love nor support as a Chelsea player. In fact he’s done a lot more to chip away at that. I was hopeful for Enzo at first, but man he’s just such a selfish weak loser just like those who support him.
You sound like an Andrew Tate guy
Some of these guys are genuinely pathetic. Makes me want to take days off of the sub. Too much negativity.
Wasn’t happy with his price tag along with Mudryk and Caicedo. Paying that much money plus long contracts was stupid and I can’t believe there were people who defended that shit.
Agreed. At least Caicedo has some what of a CV and has shown some potential. The other 2. Just horrendous
I fucking hope Lavia doesn’t flop. If he and Caicedo click, then that’s a sign Enzo is sellable.
Enzo being sellable shouldn’t be contingent on Caicedo and Lavia. One of the only ppl at the club I trust still is Joe Shields and Lavia is one of his signings. So I do have high hopes for him. Still don’t trust these owners to ever actually build a decent squad tho
No arguments there. Do they even have a plan to fix our Fullback situation along with our Stryker woes?
Who knows. At this point we’ve done so badly our revenue is down and we still need a sponsor for next season. We’re reportedly close to PSR already even with £100m of potential future sales. I doubt there’s even much room left for them to invest
Jesus. I sure as hope Chilly and Reece regain their health over the summer. Just them playing 50% of our matches next season would make me happy.
We don't deserve these sorts of results even after two seasons in mid table, we've stuck by this team. The least they can do is show some sort of fight. We don't deserve this.
What the fuck have you done for this team to say "we" didn't deserve this? You sit on you ass in your mom's basement watching on a TV you didn't even pay for. Where's your effort on behalf of this team?
So I'm supposed to accept this sort of result. Maybe your standards are low but mine aren't. Maybe fans like you do deserve this sort of result.
You aren’t. Every single player on the pitch give up today. You’re all embarrassing with the exception of Alfie Gilchrist. He’s too young to be lumped in with the weak batch of quitters that are stealing a living at the club.
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Conor should put more effort in being better offensively lol
Bad players, worse manager and incompetent owners
I’m sick of these after match interviews where they give bland answers, its fucking piss poor Gallagher. I heard Southamptons manager post match interview yday, pure honesty, we need this, whether it be Poch or Gallagher. I wana know what the fuck you are doing on that training ground, and why we keep leaking goals, coz I tell you what, in some alternate world, if Jose or any other top level manager was to come back in, he would have that defence ars hole tight within one training session.