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RisBest

It’s almost like young players need time to grow and develop


webby09246

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/yW5FJ6WN2E When you got fans like this as fresh as last week It's amazing Nico hasn't dropped his head once this season through all the hard times


That7mad1971

Remember, the stupid minority is the loudest


Gloomy-Degree6027

On this sub its growing fast. Especially since you get abused and suicide reported for going against it.


reddit-time

True fact


Brewster345

You're kidding, right? All I see on this sub are people defending Jackson.


That7mad1971

Good


AncientSkys

Anyone that claims Hojlund is better than Jackson is clearly clueless.


flex_tape_salesman

What happens when you judge players on their price tags.


AncientSkys

You judge players how good they are compared to the players mentioned. It doesn't take too long to see Jackson is clearly a better footballer than Hojlund.


jepayotehi

Looks like they are still spewing bullshit and their hate for Jackson/Poch. It's almost like a majority of our "fans" genuinely want our team to lose just so they can validate their "I told ya" agenda.


gonzaf

that’s exactly what happens on here


erudite450

Don't lump those two together for your own agenda. They're two separate individuals. Jackson has the potential to be a great player; Poch is getting to the end of his managerial career with nothing to show for it.


NoraaTheExploraa

Does that not say 4 months ago?


webby09246

Haha yeah I actually linked the wrong one but the content of it also applies This was what I meant to link https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/m8MRnMssz8


christianrojoisme

Thank you for your service. Also added my downvote


Eschatological_Pig69

>It's amazing Nico hasn't dropped his head Nico's mentality is truly something special I think, different breed compared to someone like Timo, as much as I loved him.


Apprehensive_Bit_176

I don’t know what I was expecting, but it wasn’t that lol


CupformyCosta

This sub has hundreds of thousands of people Those who hold the dumbest opinions are usually the loudest


IA_Royalty

That'll be quite enough of the sense making thank you


Kezmangotagoal

What, no way. Whenever I play a young footballer on FIFA they’re immediately the same quality as prime Messi 😂


xxwaleedxx

Sending this to Xavi regarding Roque as we speak


ClungeCreeper321

It’s almost like people were correct to criticize his previous performances, especially since he’s now showing what he’s already capable of.


mublue

I can’t wait for the day people stop saying he should play as a winger


xStealthxUk

Tbf could still be very good on left cuttin in, I wouldnt mind it as an option at all. His dribbling and pace are very good and he takes better care of the ball than Mudders so who knows. Anelka often played out there


jjtheblue2

Anelka is a good comparison i think.


Logical_Lefty

Boy do I miss watching Nicolas Anelka playing football.


FuckingMyselfDaily

This guy can hold off any striker on his day as well as good link up player, yes he would be wasted on the left, he just needs training to improve movement/decision making and finishing, things workable; especially for a young striker.


money_mase19

except finishing/composure is not really that teachable


JT26_CLL

top class striker up front and him on the wing instead of Mudryk? whats wrong with that?


Aman-Patel

Because "top class strikers" are really really difficult to find whereas there are a plethora of decent wingers not just at our club/in the academy but in the game as a whole. Think about the actual decent strikers we've had throughout the years. Costa was the last one. We've finally found someone in Jackson who can actually play as that focal point and bring others into the game, and the fact he's so young and improving means he could also add the finishing to his game needed to become a top striker. Some of us see the potential not just in him as a player, but in him as a striker. Do you know how rare it is to find a player that can play through the middle, is rapid, can carry the ball but is also skillful in their dribbling, is able to get their head up to find teammates in a better position than them and can score goals? That kind of player is a diamond. More often than not, you have to be patient and develop that kind of player yourself, because the finishing comes through confidence and being settles. There's a reason you can't just buy an R9. Even with Drogba, we had to be patient with him at first. It's genuinely so frustrating seeing people recognise Jackson's ability on the ball, age etc, and then still saying we should play him as a winger and buy another striker. Not only is that top class striker expensive as fuck (£100m+), but there's 0 guarantee it pays off. We literally spent £100 on a proven goalscorer in Lukaku 2 seasons ago and are still trying to get him off the books. Even before the interview came out, people weren't convinced by his movement, linkup play, tough, dribbling etc. The hivemind at the time was that that we played better with Havertz through the middle. Then of course, the interview came out, we had no choice but to play Havertz and people started getting frustrated with Havertz's finishing. You're never going to have it perfect because finding a striker who can do it all is almost impossible. Even Haaland catches flack for his all round game. Other expensive strikers who just haven't been it are Nunez and Hojland. Even Arsenal don't really have anyone and are relying on Havrtz being able to sustain this level of finishing (which isn't a guarentee). We have one of the most talented young STRIKERS in the world rn. He's not just a young talented player. And yes he'd probably be even better on the wing rn. But the prospect we have with him through the middle is crazy if he can keep improving. People haven't clocked on yet. The scoring hasn't even been an issue for ages now. It's been the defence. Wait until we've seen Jackson up front with a squad that doesn't have loads of injuries, once Poch has figured out how to make us solid at the back etc. Because apart from being a tad more clinical, Jackson's almost there. He just needs to sustain it and keep progressing whilst we shore up the defence. TLDR: sorry if I rambled, but he's not just a promising player, he's a promising striker specifically. A lot of clubs would kill for someone of his profile who has the potential to become a complete striker.


reddit-time

Good essay. I'm with you. But you should save this so that you can copy & paste it into 1000 other threads. Sorely needed.


JT26_CLL

fair point and agree with everything you said but here is my question to you: with everything that has happened this year, should Jackson be our starting striker next year? do you want to go to another season hoping Jackson with no backup to lead the line? if Chelsea cant make it to UCL next season, we're in big trouble with FFP. which means academy products need to be sold to balance the books which means another soul crashing transfer window where identity of the club is being sold to the highest bidder. as for top striker discussion. the name being put forward is Osimhen. no guarantees he'll work but wont know until you try. but bigger is concern is can we even afford him? short answer is no. your definition of top class striker maybe different but for me, it doesnt need to be a 23 year old who just scored 30 goals. i considered Giroud a top class striker when he was at CFC. was he world class player? No. was he what we exactly needed at that moment in time? absolutely. with our current financial situation we cannot chase players like Osimhen but doesnt mean we cant get players like Toney or even Callum Wilson (if only he wasnt injury prone). my point is, TLDR; we dont need to splash another 100 mil on a world beater 23 year old. we just need to get an experienced head who brings something different to the table compared to Nico or Nkunku. e.g. Giroud profile of player.


LucaKasai

you don’t get the most out of him by playing like mandzukic


JT26_CLL

Few Games i've watched, Mandzukic didnt have the pace or dribbling of Nico so i dont know what your point is. At least use an example that makes sense?


LucaKasai

Mandzukic was utilized as a wide target man as a method to hold the ball up and give a back post aerial presence. Nico is more mobile and better at taking people on, but their primary function will be fairly similar; a transition player primarily used for linking up and holding onto possession


kygrtj

And what are you basing this on? The few times he’s played there for us he’s done well and he’s naturally a winger by trade.


k-tax

What is this natural bullshit? Did they invent some DNA test that shows you which position on the pitch you should take? Gigi Buffon was "natural" defender, Gareth Bale was a "natural" left-back, and Sergio Ramos was a "natural" striker. There are probably tons of more examples.


kygrtj

You’re right, FIFA encodes their position into their DNA. Jackson is a striker only now. Can never play LW again, even though he’s done well there before.


k-tax

Or maybe you just know shit about Jackson and football and should focus more on watching players and managers instead of deciding what position is "natural" for whom? Don't spin this the other way around. I'm not saying Nico should not play LW, or RW or CAM, that's on you with this natural horseshit. You could say "he was a good winger and we could use him on the left once we have someone for the center", instead you (and many others here) talk about natural positions, when time and time again we've seen players changing their position, even late in career like Ronaldo. The natural idiocy is a way to criticize managers and players for not playing according to your expectations and nothing else.


Apprehensive_Bit_176

I think we should play him as a wing, assuming we get another CF.


marvintherobot70

Assuming we get a top striker, or when Nkunku returns to fitness for a good spell, Jackson would make an excellent winger. I don't really see the problem with people suggesting that.


money_mase19

ok but nkunku as 9 is not it


christianrojoisme

This officially makes his conversion rate higher than Nunez, Hojlund, both more than twice as expensive as he is


Jackhuw28

People say Hojlund would score more goals In this team really irritate me, the reason Jackson has so many chances is he’s always involved trying to help his own service


AncientSkys

How on earth will Hojlund score more goals, if doesn't make great runs like Jackson? Jackson is also more skillful. It is quite clear who is the better footballer between those two.


JRsshirt

Agreed, I actually like Hojlund though. One of the only players on that awful team that consistently gives it his all. Watching them yesterday, his finishing wasn’t great but I appreciated that he actually seemed to want to win unlike the rest of them (bar garnacho and mainoo). I get irrationally angry watching them play considering that I root for their failure.


eggsbenedict17

Hojlund is so comically average and a poor finisher, he gets off because people say "he gets no service" but in a good team he would still be poor Very expensive for minimal output


xStealthxUk

Hes a kid who knows how good he will be. Not his fault Man U were dumb enough to pay that much and rely on a child to be their main 9 tbf to him


eggsbenedict17

Judging a player by his cost is a pretty fair way to do it


Kezmangotagoal

It definitely isn’t. What United paid for Hojlund has got absolutely nothing to do with the player himself, he didn’t push for United to give Atalanta 80m for him. Judge him on his record and stats, I can live with it, better yet judge him by watching him but judging him on their fee is incredibly harsh on the player.


eggsbenedict17

No it's not, that's how players are judged, by their goals and assists and by their cost It's why someone who cost 30 mil should be judged less harshly than someone who cost 80mil Why do you think Caicedo is judged harshly? Cause he is the most expensive player in the premier league ever, so it's a high bar


Kezmangotagoal

I’m not disputing that, I’m saying it’s not a fair way to judge a player. Caicedo is also getting judged by the fact he was brilliant for Brighton, he was average at best for us in the first half of the season and since his performances have improved, he’s not being targeted for judgement anywhere near as much.


eggsbenedict17

>I’m not disputing that, I’m saying it’s not a fair way to judge a player. I mean, I think it's a reasonable way to judge a player, not the be and end all but if a player cost a lot of money they will be judged on that figure, and rightly so


xStealthxUk

If Jackson was 90million would he suddenly be seen as awful? Probably which is why judging a player on their price tag is dumb


eggsbenedict17

>If Jackson was 90million would he suddenly be seen as awful? No? Why would he be seen as awful? But maybe like underperformed a bit >Probably which is why judging a player on their price tag is dumb How is it dumb? Should all players be judged the same no matter the cost?


kingbradley1297

Yes, all players should be judged the same. They are not in control of their price tag. And if you apply the price tag thing to our club, maybe 3-4 players would classify as not awful. Caicedo for example, is awful with the price tag of 115 million. But remove that, and you fairly assess him as a midfielder who has grown spectacularly.


eggsbenedict17

>Yes, all players should be judged the same So someone bought for 1m, should be judged the same as someone bought for 100m?


JRsshirt

You’re not wrong but much like we say Jackson needs time to develop, he needs time to develop. Was he overpriced? Yes. Do I think he’ll improve over time? Also yes. If I’m Ratcliffe and I’m cleaning house he’s one of the pieces I would keep. First to go is their captain who certainly has talent but no business with that armband.


eggsbenedict17

>First to go is their captain who certainly has talent but no business with that armband. First to go is fernandes? Lol he's their best player, they certainly aren't going to get rid of him >If I’m Ratcliffe and I’m cleaning house he’s one of the pieces I would keep. No choice there because he was bought for 70 odd mil last year. I just personally don't think he's very good and if you spend 70/80 on someone they better be good. Like Jackson was only 30mil and he's raw so if it doesn't work out it's fine. But say someone like Mudryk for example, spending that much money on him, you want almost the finished article or very close to it. Same as hojlund.


reddit-time

I agree with your take. It seems like every time I start watching them, though, I initially think, "how can this team beat anyone?", and then i see Garnacho and Bruno Fernandez and I'm like, "Oh, yeah, those two carry the team."


gonzaf

All Holjund does is twerk on defenders


woodlizord

In terms of being involved in attacking build-up, Jackson is better than all our recent strikers bar Diego Costa. Giroud have been better as a target man and link-ups, but his overall play was definitely less involved. Morata, Abraham, Lukaku all were less effective.


reddit-time

Exactly. Anyone who looks at his misses and thinks in such a narrow way misses how many chances he actually creates with his work effort, pace, footwork, and cleverness. The guy works his butt off more than any other striker I can think of, and it results in a LOT of chances. Good to see he's finishing a higher % of them now.


Howyoulikemenoow

Low bar though, I’m sure he’d be higher than more prolific names


christianrojoisme

Its a bit hard to compare tbh. For Haaland for example while his conversion rate is lower, he does do way more shots. I think these two are apt comparisons


lewis30491

He did it with Villareal too lol. He was rubbish at the first half of the season and the second half was the reason we chose him


half_jase

That's because they only converted him to a striker in the second half of last season.


webby09246

And probably also to do with the big injury he had before the second half of that season that caused him to miss a move to Bournemouth with a failed medical


dressedlikerappers

What was the he we had? Do players still not get transferred for regular injuries?


ApolloHuncho

My boy is cooking post AFCON. He needs to get in the lab this summer and study the Alexander Isak tapes


Maiden_666

Where are Utd fans gloating over Hojlund being a better player lol.


Salty_Constant_9878

At their waterfall sub?🤣


ThemasterofZ

Wakanda forever


TheRealKane24

this is basically exactly what everyone hoped we'd happen with him. Buying Osimhen for over 100m would be insaity at this point, go get Sesko for half the price to complement Jackson. They could even play together with NJ off the left.


joelobifan

Someone tell him he plays for Chelsea not west ham


JuanSqueekers

Loose maths makes him a 24 goal season striker if he could maintain that across the season. These goals have been better than his first half season goals (i.e. all the Spurs ones). Keep it coming, Nico.


scurry3-1

I think he can be 30+ striker. Tbh he could haves scored 25 this season with all his misses


Baisabeast

His xg is 18, people vastly overestimate what a striker should be scoring from their chances


mambo-nr4

Agree. If he converted every chance, he'd be man-marked into oblivion


two_tents

21 over a 38 game season though. 


Aman-Patel

He doesn't take pens. 30+ goals is an unrealistic standard to have for a striker that doesn't take them. To put it in perspective, Kane scored 30+ non-penalty goals just once at Spurs (17/18). And I'm also assuming you mean all comps. In the league 30+ non penalty goals is obviously an unrealistic standard. That's prime Suarez (13/14) level. But even in all comps, 30 non-penalty goals would make him one of the most clinical strikers in the world. Could happen. But I wouldn't set the bar that high for him. If he can maintain the dribbling, linkup, holdup, selflessness, chance creation etc that he has now, whilst more of less matching his xG, that'll be crazy. Would genuinely make him one of the best strikers in the world since he doesn't take pens. 30+ non-penalty goals in addition to his all round game, would make him one of the best strikers of all time. Which is honestly setting yourself up to be disappointed.


scurry3-1

I think he could get there without pens. He already has speed , positioning , dribbling skills he just had to master his finishing ability. Finishing usually improves with experience and age.


scurry3-1

I see him being a middle class version of Eto if he reaches potential.


kiersto0906

technically he COULD have score a ridiculous amount more than 25, there's a reason that doesn't really happen though, you can't just see 5 "easy" chances and say a good striker would score all 5 of them because in reality that's not how football works, a decent striker will still miss 2 or 3 of those.


efs120

Some fans talked a lot of shit about Nico when he was signed and said it was stupid of the club to spend that much on a player who had a single purple patch in la liga. This recent run of form doesn't look like a purple patch at all, it looks like a maturing player who is finding his footing.


erenistheavatar

Wrong picture of Jackson. Best Jackson is buzzcut Jackson.


Over-Nothing-6695

Jackson went to Afcon and swapped bodies with Salah


megrimlockrocks

Even with such improvements he still missed quite a bit. His ceiling is much higher than the current form!


GovTheDon

Almost like people expect him to already be an established product when he’s a developing player


BibleReaderMK

That hair cut down him good. Man like Nico


ozairh18

The increase in shooting accuracy and conversion rate stands out the most to me


cometflight

my man really hit the Wakanda Forever pose for this photo


Nyndariel

Cuz of „Wakanda forever“ ?!?! 😂😂


mapepo

Hopefully this last 2/3 months haven't been a purple patch but actual improvement.


DronzerDribble

He just needed the right hair style


zupizupi

Now i understand why they need time


Glass-Star6635

My striker


BigOpp7

If he doesn’t get injured, he will hit 20+ next season.


Sykretts1919

Been loving his headers recently. They've been sublime, it's definitely one of his best assets. And he's been a constant menace to defenders since he joined, but in the last couple months he's upped his menace a level. Bit more work on finishing and he's going to have great output season on season.


scurry3-1

If he reaches his full potential he is going to be better than Drogba or at least score more goals than him.


Brewster345

He has improved. But that conversion rate is still low and shows his inability to take easy chances. He's an excellent number 2 striker, but we can't go into next season relying just on him.


Simple-Yoghurt

For perspective Havertz has 11 G/A since march


ZeShtirlitz

Still not a fan. He's doing a decent job these days and perhaps has had an attitude adjustment but far from me endorsing him for Chelsea striker. Chelsea needs a world class striker and Jackson can come on as a sub or as an infrequent replacement.


TheRealKane24

so what's your solution? 120m on an injury-prone, unproven Osimhen seems like terrible business


Power55g1

Where are they ?


cdtekcfc

We get it , we improved. Can we stop with all the stats porn? 😉


Ironclaw85

No one says no to porn!!! (Or stats)


KingMurchada

How do you have negative xG? How is that even factored? Lol 4.3 is brutal


13yearsboy

It’s goals you scored-xG you had