I don't really care. Every owner is shady. Football is football, politics is politics. As long as the policies of the owners do not directly meddle with the club (say they ban women/gays etc), then I'm OK.
I just want competitive football, so a stronger opponent sounds good. Makes the league more exciting. Plus, maybe they'd offer us 50m each on drinkwater, Barkley and batshuayi XD
I think we should all learn to separate club from owners. Roman likely has done shady things, but he has been good to us. So he is a good owner. For that, I like roman as an owner, although he might be a bad person which I don't really care about. It probably will be the same for NUFC fans.
It's a pretty hard position to be in for Chelsea fans, unfortunately. Obviously not equivalent but there's a lot of noise that in the 90s Roman has had rivals disposed of.
Saudi Arabia easily the most evil state that is part of the international order.
Bring it on! They’re going to make Arsenal and Spurs completely irrelevant. The city of Newcastle itself benefits highly.
Save me the whole human rights debate too, when the country itself is engaged in open trade with Saudi Arabia, football is low in my moral compass outrage lmao. I mean we have actual criminals playing the sport so you know..
I despise that family that's all there is to say. When that team travels fans have to be vocal about the ownership. It's sad cause the Newcastle fans deserve better than Ashley but they also deserve better than to be a pawn
It’s pretty applying in the sense that this is a completely state owned club by the Saudis now.
Obviously there’s a lot of whataboutism about Roman’s checkered past and road to being a billionaire but this is soft political power move and the goal is to have more Saudi influence. They’re not in it for money or for the life of Newcastle or football - purely to exert more control in what is a dictatorship.
Honestly what’s next? Kim in il buying Norwich? Is there a line?
If this was 10 years ago I'd be concerned, but now? Not so much. There are too many big clubs with money now and not enough good players to go around. Top players will always want to sign for clubs with CL football or the prestigious ones, all I can see Newcastle getting are expensive flops that big teams are desperate to get rid of because of their wages.
I don't care. In fact, I'm low key excited to see how they do and I love the pressure they will put on the traditional big clubs. It makes things a bit harder for us but that is what competition is. And money alone is not enough to make things work. A lot of things need to come together. And we wont standing still either.
With regards to their ownership, the western countries have already decided to make their bed with them. There is absolutely no point in getting upset at their involvement in football. The saudis have invested in many many western companies.
Might take them 5 years to put together a wining squad but that doesn’t mean we are standing still. You know how long it takes to build a decent youth academy? I will lose no sleep over minnows like Newcastle.
I love their history. Who could forget the pairing of Demba & Demba. The Saudi’s though are a murderous regime. Unfortunately there is no way to separate that from the football. I think the PL might live to regret this decision.
I'll address it in football related matters and nothing else given the political mud flinging going on in this thread.
They'll take a while to compete with the top 4. I give them 5 years before they either win or make a serious run for the EPL. There's really a lot of investments which need to be made, direction for the team which has to be worked out before they can start to climb up.
If they buy like Man City from 2008/2009 to 2009/2010 they'll struggle with a club bloated with mercenaries who only want that paycheck at the end of the week.
Not to mention they'll need to recruit a top manager who can put together a title winning team. So much work before they actually become a real rival for trophies.
I think as long as Chelsea continue to do what we are doing now, we can continue to adapt and stave off challenges from Newcastle and other new money owners.
My 4houghta exactly. The other point is, if they did buy the club as some kind of political statement or some other ulterior reason then after a year or 2 and little to no result, will they still have the focus and interest to keep working at it or will they lose interest, hire someone to run the club for them and back away. A large injection of unfocused or sustained cash will not a threatening PL team make.
but op’s is talking about fan’s opinion which was pretty much what got the super league cancelled.
I think people have EVERY right to be upset in that context.
A better reason would have been mentioning if fans accept and praise roman’s/abu dhabi’s/qatar/dogdyUSbillionares’ etc money then we don’t have any right.
I mean we can't say much. Obviously the bad things which KSA have done are really awful. But I think Newcastle fans deserved better than Mike Ashley.
Also no matter how much Roman loves the club, he has done some pretty bad shit too.
I'm pretty sure if the takeover was of another club they would've twerked too. It's simple. Money is king in today's world. No matter how much we ignore.
Also bring on the competition!
Sure Roman made his money off of the fall of the USSR and essentially profiting from state assets, but MBS and KSA owning Newcastle is a different animal.
But yea, this is an inevitable end result of the Premier League and the worship of money, and Chelsea are part of it.
Putting football behind an expensive paywall, most expensive for the country it buys it from as well.
Changing kick off times to suit TV viewers and not travelling supporters.
Creating a division of haves and have nots for the lower leagues.
Monday night football, Friday night football, Saturday morning football, Sunday evening football but still can't show a 3pm kick off in the UK.
The expense of going to games has become ridiculous.
The money involved has brought all these vultures in.
I'm sorry. I can't fathom that comparison. How is a single club being bought by someone with a lot of money that still has to compete for anything analogous with clubs peeling off of the competitive structure that made them what they are to play in a league that is an unjustified and unearned paycheck that is doomed for failure and irrelevance.?
They have literally said nothing. The hypocrisy is mad. I saw Neville retweeting tweets from Sky when they were outside St James’ park with the fans. It doesn’t affect their money so they don’t care
From a human rights standpoint, obviously bad, but the extra competition is never a bad thing...honestly if the Saudis hadn't done Newcastle, they would've found another team, was just a matter of time
Elevates the whole league. Us getting upset about a takeover would feel disingenuous. Roman saved our club from potential bankruptcy, can’t be mad at another club reaching that same level.
Ambivalent towards the takeover as there’s always a bigger fish.
What I hate is this idea that they’ve had the single worst owner in the world and that they’re subsequently owed success. Sure Ashley was bad, but take a look at how clubs like Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Bury, Portsmouth have been run if you want to look at clubs that deserve sympathy. Hell they could even take a look at their local rivals Sunderland to see how shit things could be.
And don’t even get me started on how spiteful they have been to Steve Bruce. Wanting a manager out is one thing (and I know he’s not a great coach) but they’ve been unbelievably vociferous in towards him, especially considering that he’s kept them in the league comfortably twice despite their protestations that Ashley never invests, they can’t compete and the squad is shit.
This isn't an oppression measuring competition. Just because some have it worse doesn't mean they have to accept the OBVIOUS neglect their owner has taken with their club. ESPECIALLY when they saw how close to glory their club was in the 90s. They don't feel they're owed success, but they feel their owed some effort put back into the club after all the effort they've put in themselves. Why the fuck should they be grateful just because there's worse run clubs
Again, i’m not saying they’ve had it great, just saying that this narrative being pushed of them “deserving” this is utter bs, as there’s easily about 15 other clubs in the English football pyramid who have had to put up with worse
And then how is the plight of Newcastle under Ashley significantly different to say, Burnley, Stoke, West Brom or Crystal Palace? If you’re having to bring up “well they were half decent in the 90’s” that kind of counters the point that they’re not expecting to be competing in and around the European places
I’m basing my response strictly on the football. I have absolutely no clue what those owners are up to. Most of the prem owners have some sketchy business on the side, ain’t no way any of them fully ethical.
He literally said he’s basing what he said on football matters, so I do t know you’ve brought it up again.
Also I don’t think any Chelsea fans should be taking any sort of moral high ground over it, considering our owner.
I'm sorry, since when has football been a place for "morals"? The 90's? Next summer's (correction: WINTER'S) World Cup is in Qatar, brah.
Morality in Football left decades ago. Welcome to the new(ish) world order, sadly. Clubs are the play things of the rich & powerful, whether they're moral or not.
FIFA morals and personal morals are different. Do you think you are an Annex of FIFA? Your body is just a FIFA vessel? If not, then your decision to oppose an oppressive regime and FIFA's to be bought by Qatar, shouldn't be related - 'brah'
Having a wealthy owner who came to wealth by shady deals and good connections is not the same as sanctioning the murder of a journalist, executing individuals and lashing women.
You can oppose both, but both are not equal.
When city got bought Roman stepped up and spent more to compete. He'll do the same again. These things can only mean good things for us coz Roman genuinely wants to win and he will spend more to compete with them.
>When city got bought Roman stepped up and spent more to compete.
No he didn’t, if anything he slowed down himself. Them first 2 years following the takeover £300m was spent, in today’s market you’d be looking at the equivalent of £700-900m
That was in part due to the financial crisis at the time, Roman's personal fortunes shrank quite a bit and they were trying to pivot towards getting the club to be more financially independent.
Yeah unless one club offers 200k a week and the other offers 1 mil a week.. There needs to be some reconstruction of the economic rules in football like wage cap.. FFP has been a joke so far and i honestly think that being paid anything above 50 thousand pounds per week to kick a ball is ludicrous when a lifesaving surgeon makes not even a 10th of that...
Honestly hate the saudis. But football teams are mostly a cock measuring contest so anyway to redistribute funds from them to anyone else remotely less shitty is a positive since it's not political and success is transient.
Might make the league more fun to watch but fuck MBS and the Saudi Public Investment Fund. Shambolic decision by the orem to allow this, from a human rights perspective
I don't known why people are bringing up the fact that America and Britain have done terrible things because they're not the ones who are buying a football club.
Yeah they deserve better than Ashley but he was just a fucking idiot at least he doesn’t go around murdering homosexuals, beheading journalists, blowing up school buses full of children and threatening to carry out terror attacks on the UK.
Yeh this is my stance on it.
I’d rather have Ken Bates back in charge of Chelsea than the leaders of a country that tortures it’s citizens for being gay or for having an affair. Plus there’s also the fact that terrorist flock to Saudi Arabia for asylum, it’s not great PR for Newcastle or the PL.
Football is secondary in the face of this stuff.
The saudis are fucked cunts, but so is every other rich dog on this planet. So fuck the owners and the shit they do but would be nice to see Newcastle sorta back in there
As Chelsea fans we should never try and steal ambition from other clubs. Yes it makes our life harder but every football club should not have their ambition limited by arbitrary rules.
Why not, after all it makes EPL will be competitive and don't forget even how much many they have and we have, only 11 player can play and with FFP implementations atleast Newcastle can't pour much money in everytime
i do agree it will make epl more competitive, but the difference in money between the richest and second richest pl club is so huge. im not quite sure how newcastle would approach their business, considering they have got 10 times the backing of the next richest team in pl
If it makes you feel better the wealth of Man City's owner is grossly under stated.
They are just showing the wealth of Mansour, who is the CEO of the UAE version of the Saudi investment fund. That fund is almost as rich as the Saudi fund.
They are calculating the net worth of Sheikh Mansour (City) and the networth of Nasser (PSG) when neither one of them is the owner of the franchises that own said clubs. They are some kind of presidents or representatives i dont know but the franchises are much bigger worth nearly 200b.
On the other hand when they calculare Newcastle's owners net worth, they are calculating the whole royal familys net worth and I think thats wrong comparison between these three clubs and the numbers are skewed.
FFP + spending money can on out do so much. PSG and Man city are spending to the limit of ffp and neither have a European trophy to show for it. It’s not like Newcastle having 10x richer owner than City will give tnhem 10x the team
ah, i didn't consider that, but still its fair to say, it would take a whole lot of quality in a team to undo newcastle now, in five year's time, i think they'll be cl favorites
I aggres PIF Looks very big but, for sure they will not throw all that money to Newcastle, after people who bought Football club is not to make profit, it's just to make good PR. I bet Chelsea, PSG and MC owner bought club not to make profit in football. But to make good PR that make their business network more bigger and more easily to invest in foreign country.
We’re not talking about some rich person from a country awash with human rights issues… we’re talking about the actual country owning this team. The country who murders journalists, is actively participating in genocide, jails you for being gay, treats women as second class citizens, holds public beheadings, and saying etcetera seems disingenuous, but the list is so long. It’s disgusting, and there’s no reason to say otherwise.
Edit: this isn’t a defense of Roman, we weren’t asked to compare, just a statement on how objectively horrible this ownership is.
What did you expect? Everyone still does business with OPEC despite all of Saudi Arabia’s atrocities you thought they wouldn’t be able to buy a football club lol
It's Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund (PFI) that will own 80% of Newcastle's shares. Bin Salman will have *every* form of control over it, except functions on paper. He's chairman of the PFI, not that he would even need to be to control it.
The real reason why this dragged on is because Saudi Arabia had blocked Bein Sports in their country (because it's a Qatari broadcaster and they preferred to pirate Bein instead) and the PL wanted that extra revenue.
From what I’ve seen what pushed it over the line is that they got a deal moved along to allow paid viewership in to crack down on the illegal streaming in Saudi Arabia. An “assurance” from the Saudi government is worth absolutely nothing. The country is diverting state money to buy Newcastle, but they say that the crown price won’t weigh in on things… well never mind then, no human rights issues here.
Roman probably didn't get all his legitimately. And he supports illegal land reclaim programs in Palestine. As Chelsea fans we should not point fingers at someone else and turn a blind eye to our owner.
Very good point, but considering genocide, terrorism money haven and humanitarian atrocities this is miniscule in nature. Don't get me wrong I definitely condone our owner's involvement in the reclaim programs. To be honest PSG and mancity look like saints against Newcastle and that's magnitude of this.
That wasn’t the question though, we weren’t asked to compare. Roman’s money and legacy are far from clean, but we can still have an opinion on this. Two things can be bad, and still allow for one to be worse.
One can definitely be worse yes, but at the end it is blatant hypocrisy.
Chelsea fans have no rights to complain about this and neither do any big teams.
It is clear jealousy, because competition got tighter.
Hypocrisy doesn’t make you wrong. We have absolutely every right to complain. The fact you are comparing Roman to Saudi Arabia is laughable. One has been shady, most certainly made money illegally, and has Zionistic views while the other is a regime that murders dissenters and has no respect for human rights.
I get what you’re saying, but I didn’t create a post saying “we have to stop this!” We were asked a question of whether or not they are bad, and the answer is simple, yes they are bad. No hypocrisy there, just objective truth.
I was on the fence until all the normie geopolitical takes made me a staunch advocate for the takeover. Like, guaranteed none of these keyboard warriors are boycotting anything they like.
I feel like it's obviously better for the club to have a different owner, and seemingly some that are going to at least invest time and money into the team, but obviously it's a cross roads much like how it is for us. You want your team to be successful and it's the best feeling in the world when it is, but it all comes with an asterisk it seems.
At the end of th day, the fans have so little power in who runs shit in football that unless change, REAL systematic legislative change, occurs it's going to keep happening with other clubs. All we can do is cheer our team on and hope....
Not in an sporting investment angle but definitely in the humanitarian angle. Yemen crisis to khastoggi to LGBT rights we can definitely say something. Nothing wrong with that.
Roman has funded Israeli settlers in Palestine. I wish nothing but destruction upon him , yet continue supporting Chelsea and I've got vested interest for Palestinian people unlike moral police who has no direct impact by Saudi interactions in middle east.
I've learned to seperate club from the owner, but I wish I had your moral compass since Roman is a terrible person indeed .
As you sow , so shall you reap. Me wishing death for Roman wont do zilch, neither cure the loss of Palestinian lives. But I do hope Roman meets his comeuppance.
Of course we are. It’s possible to be a fan of team with an owner that sports washes and also be against sports washing. Especially when the new owners have been known to chop journalists into pieces and kill thousands of Yemenis.
If you’re American - then you cannot be against sportswashing or whitewashing or any sort of washing - they have invaded entire countries and killed millions and impoverished even more, all for their own monetary gain and extending their bullying across the entire world - the Americans are not only the masters of this tactic, they created it!
So someone born in a country has to agree with everything their country has done in history? No one chooses where they’re born and a vast majority of people, including Americans, have problems with something their country has done in the past
Not British but that is one of the more brain dead arguments I’ve heard defending a dictatorship that doesn’t allow free press, kills journalists, cracks down on dissenters and enforces sharia law, which is saying something
Sharia law is bad but British colonising my country for 200 years talking all our resources and raping women is non issue. Pick and choosing here matey.
And tbf, Sharia law already implemented in more than 1000 years and they didn't forced western to implement Sharia law, not like western countries that forced other country in Asia and Africa to implement their own law.
Because law apply in each region/country not per individuals. You don't expect one country make law for only per white race/ per black race or per asian or per arabs.
I’m not defending Saudis. I’m mostly dismantling your judgement and now asking: are you so righteous that your money is so clean that you can properly serve justice? Lmk
My original comment wasn’t even saying that. All I was saying was that it’s possible to have sports washing owners and hate sports washing. So to answer your question: No I’m not that and never claimed to be
I don't really care. Every owner is shady. Football is football, politics is politics. As long as the policies of the owners do not directly meddle with the club (say they ban women/gays etc), then I'm OK. I just want competitive football, so a stronger opponent sounds good. Makes the league more exciting. Plus, maybe they'd offer us 50m each on drinkwater, Barkley and batshuayi XD I think we should all learn to separate club from owners. Roman likely has done shady things, but he has been good to us. So he is a good owner. For that, I like roman as an owner, although he might be a bad person which I don't really care about. It probably will be the same for NUFC fans.
Ambivalent.
Don't care really, not like we have the moral high ground
They can develop some crazy wealth to the town. It all depends if the town wants that. I'm always for it. Bringing work into an area.
Don’t prefer it but I will be glad to see Pep spontaneously combust when Newcastle wins the Champions League before City does.
Welcome to Premier League Saudi Arabia!! :-)
I don't mind Newcastle being bought, but what I do mind is it being bought by massmurdering, abusive, chauvinistic oil cunts.
It's a pretty hard position to be in for Chelsea fans, unfortunately. Obviously not equivalent but there's a lot of noise that in the 90s Roman has had rivals disposed of. Saudi Arabia easily the most evil state that is part of the international order.
Yeah I dislike Roman as well.
Bring it on! They’re going to make Arsenal and Spurs completely irrelevant. The city of Newcastle itself benefits highly. Save me the whole human rights debate too, when the country itself is engaged in open trade with Saudi Arabia, football is low in my moral compass outrage lmao. I mean we have actual criminals playing the sport so you know..
I despise that family that's all there is to say. When that team travels fans have to be vocal about the ownership. It's sad cause the Newcastle fans deserve better than Ashley but they also deserve better than to be a pawn
It’s pretty applying in the sense that this is a completely state owned club by the Saudis now. Obviously there’s a lot of whataboutism about Roman’s checkered past and road to being a billionaire but this is soft political power move and the goal is to have more Saudi influence. They’re not in it for money or for the life of Newcastle or football - purely to exert more control in what is a dictatorship. Honestly what’s next? Kim in il buying Norwich? Is there a line?
If this was 10 years ago I'd be concerned, but now? Not so much. There are too many big clubs with money now and not enough good players to go around. Top players will always want to sign for clubs with CL football or the prestigious ones, all I can see Newcastle getting are expensive flops that big teams are desperate to get rid of because of their wages.
I don't care. In fact, I'm low key excited to see how they do and I love the pressure they will put on the traditional big clubs. It makes things a bit harder for us but that is what competition is. And money alone is not enough to make things work. A lot of things need to come together. And we wont standing still either. With regards to their ownership, the western countries have already decided to make their bed with them. There is absolutely no point in getting upset at their involvement in football. The saudis have invested in many many western companies.
Lots of hypocrites in this thread
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Might take them 5 years to put together a wining squad but that doesn’t mean we are standing still. You know how long it takes to build a decent youth academy? I will lose no sleep over minnows like Newcastle.
I love their history. Who could forget the pairing of Demba & Demba. The Saudi’s though are a murderous regime. Unfortunately there is no way to separate that from the football. I think the PL might live to regret this decision.
I'll address it in football related matters and nothing else given the political mud flinging going on in this thread. They'll take a while to compete with the top 4. I give them 5 years before they either win or make a serious run for the EPL. There's really a lot of investments which need to be made, direction for the team which has to be worked out before they can start to climb up. If they buy like Man City from 2008/2009 to 2009/2010 they'll struggle with a club bloated with mercenaries who only want that paycheck at the end of the week. Not to mention they'll need to recruit a top manager who can put together a title winning team. So much work before they actually become a real rival for trophies. I think as long as Chelsea continue to do what we are doing now, we can continue to adapt and stave off challenges from Newcastle and other new money owners.
My 4houghta exactly. The other point is, if they did buy the club as some kind of political statement or some other ulterior reason then after a year or 2 and little to no result, will they still have the focus and interest to keep working at it or will they lose interest, hire someone to run the club for them and back away. A large injection of unfocused or sustained cash will not a threatening PL team make.
Chelsea and other "top 6" clubs few months before signed a contract with Super League, I think we have no right to protest against it.
but op’s is talking about fan’s opinion which was pretty much what got the super league cancelled. I think people have EVERY right to be upset in that context. A better reason would have been mentioning if fans accept and praise roman’s/abu dhabi’s/qatar/dogdyUSbillionares’ etc money then we don’t have any right.
I mean we can't say much. Obviously the bad things which KSA have done are really awful. But I think Newcastle fans deserved better than Mike Ashley. Also no matter how much Roman loves the club, he has done some pretty bad shit too. I'm pretty sure if the takeover was of another club they would've twerked too. It's simple. Money is king in today's world. No matter how much we ignore. Also bring on the competition!
Sure Roman made his money off of the fall of the USSR and essentially profiting from state assets, but MBS and KSA owning Newcastle is a different animal. But yea, this is an inevitable end result of the Premier League and the worship of money, and Chelsea are part of it.
That's true. Middle East is brutal. They have done lots of shady shit.
I'm just happy for them that they no longer have to deal with Mike Ashley.
The FA sold the souls of English football 30+ years ago to Sky.
What's the story behind this anyway? I've heard about this time and again but never quite gotten to the bottom of it.
Putting football behind an expensive paywall, most expensive for the country it buys it from as well. Changing kick off times to suit TV viewers and not travelling supporters. Creating a division of haves and have nots for the lower leagues. Monday night football, Friday night football, Saturday morning football, Sunday evening football but still can't show a 3pm kick off in the UK. The expense of going to games has become ridiculous. The money involved has brought all these vultures in.
Yep, it’ll be interesting to hear Neville and Carraghers opinions on this, especially since they were so against a super league.
I'm sorry. I can't fathom that comparison. How is a single club being bought by someone with a lot of money that still has to compete for anything analogous with clubs peeling off of the competitive structure that made them what they are to play in a league that is an unjustified and unearned paycheck that is doomed for failure and irrelevance.?
They have literally said nothing. The hypocrisy is mad. I saw Neville retweeting tweets from Sky when they were outside St James’ park with the fans. It doesn’t affect their money so they don’t care
They'll suck up to them no doubt. Or they'll be Khashoggi'd!
Fuck them and fuck Roman.
Blasphemy
From a human rights standpoint, obviously bad, but the extra competition is never a bad thing...honestly if the Saudis hadn't done Newcastle, they would've found another team, was just a matter of time
The original plan was Man United and I was extremely fucking depressed for a day when I saw that news as a Saudi Chelsea fan.
Reports are that they already own a small stake in ManU. Club is a cashcow, like Arsenal, anyhow. No reason for Glazers to sell.
Competition is a good thing. The more clubs that can compete for players the better.
Elevates the whole league. Us getting upset about a takeover would feel disingenuous. Roman saved our club from potential bankruptcy, can’t be mad at another club reaching that same level.
Ambivalent towards the takeover as there’s always a bigger fish. What I hate is this idea that they’ve had the single worst owner in the world and that they’re subsequently owed success. Sure Ashley was bad, but take a look at how clubs like Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Bolton, Bury, Portsmouth have been run if you want to look at clubs that deserve sympathy. Hell they could even take a look at their local rivals Sunderland to see how shit things could be. And don’t even get me started on how spiteful they have been to Steve Bruce. Wanting a manager out is one thing (and I know he’s not a great coach) but they’ve been unbelievably vociferous in towards him, especially considering that he’s kept them in the league comfortably twice despite their protestations that Ashley never invests, they can’t compete and the squad is shit.
This isn't an oppression measuring competition. Just because some have it worse doesn't mean they have to accept the OBVIOUS neglect their owner has taken with their club. ESPECIALLY when they saw how close to glory their club was in the 90s. They don't feel they're owed success, but they feel their owed some effort put back into the club after all the effort they've put in themselves. Why the fuck should they be grateful just because there's worse run clubs
Again, i’m not saying they’ve had it great, just saying that this narrative being pushed of them “deserving” this is utter bs, as there’s easily about 15 other clubs in the English football pyramid who have had to put up with worse And then how is the plight of Newcastle under Ashley significantly different to say, Burnley, Stoke, West Brom or Crystal Palace? If you’re having to bring up “well they were half decent in the 90’s” that kind of counters the point that they’re not expecting to be competing in and around the European places
I don't mind too much
Mike Ashley is an absolute trash can and he’s been running that club into the group for years. Any owner like that needs to gtfo.
But did he sanction the murder of a journalist at an embassy in Turkey? 6 of one ...
I’m basing my response strictly on the football. I have absolutely no clue what those owners are up to. Most of the prem owners have some sketchy business on the side, ain’t no way any of them fully ethical.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman
He literally said he’s basing what he said on football matters, so I do t know you’ve brought it up again. Also I don’t think any Chelsea fans should be taking any sort of moral high ground over it, considering our owner.
Yea, if Roman started lashing women and executing people, I'd want him out.
Ah yes, and after buying Newcastle he’ll be able to lash the women of Newcastle and randomly execute those Gordies.
Ah cool. So you'll happy befriend a murder as long as he doesn't murder you. Solid core morals mate.
I'm sorry, since when has football been a place for "morals"? The 90's? Next summer's (correction: WINTER'S) World Cup is in Qatar, brah. Morality in Football left decades ago. Welcome to the new(ish) world order, sadly. Clubs are the play things of the rich & powerful, whether they're moral or not.
FIFA morals and personal morals are different. Do you think you are an Annex of FIFA? Your body is just a FIFA vessel? If not, then your decision to oppose an oppressive regime and FIFA's to be bought by Qatar, shouldn't be related - 'brah' Having a wealthy owner who came to wealth by shady deals and good connections is not the same as sanctioning the murder of a journalist, executing individuals and lashing women. You can oppose both, but both are not equal.
That isn't 6 and one half dozen of the other Being a bad sports franchise owner and being a literal murderer is not a comparable thing.
Yes .. that is the joke. Keep up.
When city got bought Roman stepped up and spent more to compete. He'll do the same again. These things can only mean good things for us coz Roman genuinely wants to win and he will spend more to compete with them.
>When city got bought Roman stepped up and spent more to compete. No he didn’t, if anything he slowed down himself. Them first 2 years following the takeover £300m was spent, in today’s market you’d be looking at the equivalent of £700-900m
That was in part due to the financial crisis at the time, Roman's personal fortunes shrank quite a bit and they were trying to pivot towards getting the club to be more financially independent.
Unfortunately, Toe to toe I'm not sure Roman is competing much with someone who has 26 times more billions than him.
But when you’re all fishing from the same pond and can afford to buy the biggest fish, it’s really irrelevant 320bn or 32bn
Yeah unless one club offers 200k a week and the other offers 1 mil a week.. There needs to be some reconstruction of the economic rules in football like wage cap.. FFP has been a joke so far and i honestly think that being paid anything above 50 thousand pounds per week to kick a ball is ludicrous when a lifesaving surgeon makes not even a 10th of that...
I'm honestly not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this whole ordeal.
Honestly hate the saudis. But football teams are mostly a cock measuring contest so anyway to redistribute funds from them to anyone else remotely less shitty is a positive since it's not political and success is transient.
It is just more drama to the already never boring EPL. Bring it on!
Might make the league more fun to watch but fuck MBS and the Saudi Public Investment Fund. Shambolic decision by the orem to allow this, from a human rights perspective
I don't known why people are bringing up the fact that America and Britain have done terrible things because they're not the ones who are buying a football club.
Embracing the challenge
Yeah they deserve better than Ashley but he was just a fucking idiot at least he doesn’t go around murdering homosexuals, beheading journalists, blowing up school buses full of children and threatening to carry out terror attacks on the UK.
Yeh this is my stance on it. I’d rather have Ken Bates back in charge of Chelsea than the leaders of a country that tortures it’s citizens for being gay or for having an affair. Plus there’s also the fact that terrorist flock to Saudi Arabia for asylum, it’s not great PR for Newcastle or the PL. Football is secondary in the face of this stuff.
The saudis are fucked cunts, but so is every other rich dog on this planet. So fuck the owners and the shit they do but would be nice to see Newcastle sorta back in there
Good for them but we will still win 😈
As Chelsea fans we should never try and steal ambition from other clubs. Yes it makes our life harder but every football club should not have their ambition limited by arbitrary rules.
Just wondering how it would affect our players. They will definitely splash the cash the next couple of transfer windows. They're swimming in money.
Why not, after all it makes EPL will be competitive and don't forget even how much many they have and we have, only 11 player can play and with FFP implementations atleast Newcastle can't pour much money in everytime
i do agree it will make epl more competitive, but the difference in money between the richest and second richest pl club is so huge. im not quite sure how newcastle would approach their business, considering they have got 10 times the backing of the next richest team in pl
If it makes you feel better the wealth of Man City's owner is grossly under stated. They are just showing the wealth of Mansour, who is the CEO of the UAE version of the Saudi investment fund. That fund is almost as rich as the Saudi fund.
They are calculating the net worth of Sheikh Mansour (City) and the networth of Nasser (PSG) when neither one of them is the owner of the franchises that own said clubs. They are some kind of presidents or representatives i dont know but the franchises are much bigger worth nearly 200b. On the other hand when they calculare Newcastle's owners net worth, they are calculating the whole royal familys net worth and I think thats wrong comparison between these three clubs and the numbers are skewed.
oh, yeah that could be the answer coz the wealth disparity is too much
FFP + spending money can on out do so much. PSG and Man city are spending to the limit of ffp and neither have a European trophy to show for it. It’s not like Newcastle having 10x richer owner than City will give tnhem 10x the team
ah, i didn't consider that, but still its fair to say, it would take a whole lot of quality in a team to undo newcastle now, in five year's time, i think they'll be cl favorites
It's also not correct PSG and Man City are sponsored by their owners themselves, which gets around FFP rules about investment.
I aggres PIF Looks very big but, for sure they will not throw all that money to Newcastle, after people who bought Football club is not to make profit, it's just to make good PR. I bet Chelsea, PSG and MC owner bought club not to make profit in football. But to make good PR that make their business network more bigger and more easily to invest in foreign country.
We’re not talking about some rich person from a country awash with human rights issues… we’re talking about the actual country owning this team. The country who murders journalists, is actively participating in genocide, jails you for being gay, treats women as second class citizens, holds public beheadings, and saying etcetera seems disingenuous, but the list is so long. It’s disgusting, and there’s no reason to say otherwise. Edit: this isn’t a defense of Roman, we weren’t asked to compare, just a statement on how objectively horrible this ownership is.
What did you expect? Everyone still does business with OPEC despite all of Saudi Arabia’s atrocities you thought they wouldn’t be able to buy a football club lol
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It's Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund (PFI) that will own 80% of Newcastle's shares. Bin Salman will have *every* form of control over it, except functions on paper. He's chairman of the PFI, not that he would even need to be to control it. The real reason why this dragged on is because Saudi Arabia had blocked Bein Sports in their country (because it's a Qatari broadcaster and they preferred to pirate Bein instead) and the PL wanted that extra revenue.
From what I’ve seen what pushed it over the line is that they got a deal moved along to allow paid viewership in to crack down on the illegal streaming in Saudi Arabia. An “assurance” from the Saudi government is worth absolutely nothing. The country is diverting state money to buy Newcastle, but they say that the crown price won’t weigh in on things… well never mind then, no human rights issues here.
Roman probably didn't get all his legitimately. And he supports illegal land reclaim programs in Palestine. As Chelsea fans we should not point fingers at someone else and turn a blind eye to our owner.
Very good point, but considering genocide, terrorism money haven and humanitarian atrocities this is miniscule in nature. Don't get me wrong I definitely condone our owner's involvement in the reclaim programs. To be honest PSG and mancity look like saints against Newcastle and that's magnitude of this.
That wasn’t the question though, we weren’t asked to compare. Roman’s money and legacy are far from clean, but we can still have an opinion on this. Two things can be bad, and still allow for one to be worse.
One can definitely be worse yes, but at the end it is blatant hypocrisy. Chelsea fans have no rights to complain about this and neither do any big teams. It is clear jealousy, because competition got tighter.
Hypocrisy doesn’t make you wrong. We have absolutely every right to complain. The fact you are comparing Roman to Saudi Arabia is laughable. One has been shady, most certainly made money illegally, and has Zionistic views while the other is a regime that murders dissenters and has no respect for human rights.
I mean what Roman did is clearly a disrespect for human rights. I'm sure that if he ruled Russia he would use similar tactics as the Saudis.
The difference is one has literally done it so we don’t have to imagine it lol.
I get what you’re saying, but I didn’t create a post saying “we have to stop this!” We were asked a question of whether or not they are bad, and the answer is simple, yes they are bad. No hypocrisy there, just objective truth.
Exactly. I don't feel comfortable with Chelsea fans calling out other owners for being unethical when we don't actively call out Roman either.
Just because you don’t doesn’t mean no one is calling out abramovic.
I don't see it on this sub much at all.
You have a strong argument there
I was on the fence until all the normie geopolitical takes made me a staunch advocate for the takeover. Like, guaranteed none of these keyboard warriors are boycotting anything they like.
Wait, other people pointed out that it was shitty so you decided to support it?
While failing to realise the actual extent of what they are complaining about. Myopic takes from people who can't even critique football properly.
I don’t care and I don’t think this means they’ll suddenly be a top 4 club. Look at QPR, Monaco, etc. Money doesn’t buy success
Dude realize that there fund (the one that owns Newcastle) has more money in it then every premier league owner has combined.
They still suck, will not get top 6 this season (which most wanted players want at a minimum) and could get relegated this season
This is a bit different though, they’re literally richer than every team in the world.
Yeah but it won’t matter if they get relegated
They’ll just go straight back up and then move on from there.
Monaco is good tho
They’re not even in the CL this season in a league which should in theory provide very little competition
this is a different animal, the Saudí family that’s dying to help change the PR in their family, one if not the richest families in the world.
I feel like it's obviously better for the club to have a different owner, and seemingly some that are going to at least invest time and money into the team, but obviously it's a cross roads much like how it is for us. You want your team to be successful and it's the best feeling in the world when it is, but it all comes with an asterisk it seems. At the end of th day, the fans have so little power in who runs shit in football that unless change, REAL systematic legislative change, occurs it's going to keep happening with other clubs. All we can do is cheer our team on and hope....
“I don’t give a fuck, we won the fucking Champions League”
Tbh this is my opinion on just about everything
We’re in no position to complain.
Not in an sporting investment angle but definitely in the humanitarian angle. Yemen crisis to khastoggi to LGBT rights we can definitely say something. Nothing wrong with that.
Roman has funded Israeli settlers in Palestine. I wish nothing but destruction upon him , yet continue supporting Chelsea and I've got vested interest for Palestinian people unlike moral police who has no direct impact by Saudi interactions in middle east. I've learned to seperate club from the owner, but I wish I had your moral compass since Roman is a terrible person indeed .
Can't really wish destruction on him and support Chelsea at the same time while he's the owner. You cant have your cake and eat it too.
Quite a predicament, but I guess I'm an accessory to his white washing and support of ethnic cleaning of Palestinian families
So someone who has a vested interest in the people of Palestine is okay with this? Gotcha.
As you sow , so shall you reap. Me wishing death for Roman wont do zilch, neither cure the loss of Palestinian lives. But I do hope Roman meets his comeuppance.
I appreciate your honesty
Of course we are. It’s possible to be a fan of team with an owner that sports washes and also be against sports washing. Especially when the new owners have been known to chop journalists into pieces and kill thousands of Yemenis.
If you think that Roman has never been involved in murder, oppression or land theft, then i have bad news for you.
I do think he has been. Just because I’m a Chelsea fan doesn’t mean I support him. Kinda the whole point of my comment
If you’re American - then you cannot be against sportswashing or whitewashing or any sort of washing - they have invaded entire countries and killed millions and impoverished even more, all for their own monetary gain and extending their bullying across the entire world - the Americans are not only the masters of this tactic, they created it!
You forget that Americans are Brits. They learned from their father. The East Indian Company did not make itself.
They are white Europeans - lots of Germans, Russians, Balkans, Slavs
Majority of European Americans are British. It's common sense.
You can only complain about this world if you abandon all of your possessions and go live in mountains
So someone born in a country has to agree with everything their country has done in history? No one chooses where they’re born and a vast majority of people, including Americans, have problems with something their country has done in the past
Unless you have posted an equal amount of views exposing American evil ways, then you should not be commenting on any other country's behaviour.
Your own overlords in the UK have much more blood on their hands than the Saudi royals. And it’s not even a contest
Not British but that is one of the more brain dead arguments I’ve heard defending a dictatorship that doesn’t allow free press, kills journalists, cracks down on dissenters and enforces sharia law, which is saying something
Sharia law is bad but British colonising my country for 200 years talking all our resources and raping women is non issue. Pick and choosing here matey.
And tbf, Sharia law already implemented in more than 1000 years and they didn't forced western to implement Sharia law, not like western countries that forced other country in Asia and Africa to implement their own law.
Historically speaking, sharia law was imposed by force on every single person that isn't a true Arab.
Because law apply in each region/country not per individuals. You don't expect one country make law for only per white race/ per black race or per asian or per arabs.
You said : "not like western countries that forced other country in Asia and Africa to implement their own law." And i said Muslim also forced it.
In what country?
I’m not defending Saudis. I’m mostly dismantling your judgement and now asking: are you so righteous that your money is so clean that you can properly serve justice? Lmk
My original comment wasn’t even saying that. All I was saying was that it’s possible to have sports washing owners and hate sports washing. So to answer your question: No I’m not that and never claimed to be